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Ukrainian SSOs expressed interest in the Z-10 rifle

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The special operations forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine expressed their interest in the high-precision Z-10 rifle, which can be used to perform the broadest tactical tasks.


It is reported Defence Blog with reference to the representative of the company Gunsmith that produces this rifle.

Ukrainian SSOs expressed interest in the Z-10 rifle


The Z-10 is a semi-automatic rifle developed on the basis of the AK-10 platform of the .308Win caliber with the Direct Impingement (DI) system. Z-10 rifle has the ability to conduct intense fire at different distances, which is ideal for special operations.

The Z-10 rifle, capable of hitting targets at a range of 1200-1500 m. The maximum effective range of the rifle is about 800 m. The standard model has a caliber .308 Win / 7.62x51-mm and weight 5 kg. Accuracy of shooting is about 0,75-1,25 MOA (data taken from Ukrainian sources)

High-precision rifles Z-10 are produced in Ukraine by the private company Gunsmith. This company was founded in 2004 year for the production of rifles for sporting purposes, hunting, as well as for self-defense.
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Photo © Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
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    1. cniza
      cniza 20 June 2017 20: 30
      +4
      My dear man, what are you talking about?
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      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 20 June 2017 20: 47
        +4
        Externally, the rifle looks beautiful. A private company is not ready to supply weapons to the "patriots" for free?
        1. Monos
          Monos 20 June 2017 20: 55
          +9
          The Z-10 rifle is capable of hitting targets at a range of 1200-1500 m.

          Judging by the photo, it is with an integrated silencer. Special gunsmiths, explain - such a distance for such a rifle, is this real? Looks like nonsense.
          1. hohkn
            hohkn 20 June 2017 21: 12
            +7
            It seems that this muffler is tactical (just a flame arrester). But with a range, it seems, really slightly (well, very much) lied. I don’t think that the aiming range is greater than that of the SVD. The “Burglar” with its 12,7mm sighting range of 1200, and its barrel is much longer, and the caliber is abruptly.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 20 June 2017 22: 45
              +5
              The aiming range of the Mosin rifle of the 1891 model is -2000 meters.
              A carbine of the 1938 model (the same Mosinka) - 1000 meters.
              Another thing is that getting at such a range is a great success, even for a sniper.
              1. CAT BAIYUN
                CAT BAIYUN 20 June 2017 23: 29
                +8
                Not .... Well, you do not compare ... The mosquito and this ... It's like a genital organ with a finger.
                Mosinka is a classic. This is Love.
                And this is a fork from ARki.
            2. tracer
              tracer 21 June 2017 02: 43
              +6
              I understand a little in ballistics and calmbra energy. So in the competition for the replacement of Remington 700 for the US Army, Remington refused to work with 308 caliber precisely because of its maximum range for 800 meters sniper rifles. They fired a rifle in caliber 338 paws and this device is really working for 1500 meters. But among forelocks, as always, he overcame lies to heaven with cosmic humidity and cosmic stupidity.
          2. Pulya
            Pulya 20 June 2017 21: 31
            +5
            Quote: Monos
            The Z-10 rifle is capable of hitting targets at a range of 1200-1500 m.

            Judging by the photo, it is with an integrated silencer. Special gunsmiths, explain - such a distance for such a rifle, is this real? Looks like nonsense.


            Full game!
            7,62h51 flatness 300m. excellent, but after 550-600m. falls down. But one and a half kilometers is simply not real fantasy !!!
            Here hahly lie godlessly.
            Even a 1st grade student will not believe in such distances.
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 20 June 2017 21: 51
              +4
              Quote: Pulya
              Here hahly lie godlessly.

              So I look that today in Ukrainians Ukrainians lie godlessly. But VO presents them with such an opportunity.
              And the signature below is trump "© Ministry of Defense of Ukraine"
              Good source of information! Congratulations! love
            2. alexander.arier
              alexander.arier 20 June 2017 22: 33
              +2
              308 for hunting are different from 308 for sniper rifle. 308 high-precision high-power is unlikely to be ordered and bought. such an order will immediately be checked, it’s all the patrons of the leading manufacturers of the USA and Europe, it is unrealistic to get them to a private person.
              such cartridges purchase shooting ranges for special supervision and special reporting. in the usa, citizens of the usa can order such pratrons, but each such customer is checked and personal records are kept.
            3. CAT BAIYUN
              CAT BAIYUN 20 June 2017 23: 36
              +10
              At 300 m and for SVD it is a direct shot. that is, without tabular corrections for derivation and weather.
              Well, the barrel, you see, is slightly better than the serial AR. Well screwed the pear. Well, they painted it and didn’t forget to slap the "Picattini sawmill" (how could it be without it) And what?
              Poroshenko, I see a share in the company bought ....
              And in the distance of 1200 and not only students believe. It’s quite an adult people (well, half and half Ukraine believe in all sorts of rubbish). And if they printed and told and showed ... Oh .....
              1. Pulya
                Pulya 21 June 2017 01: 35
                0
                Quote: CAT BAYUN
                At 300 m and for SVD it is a direct shot. that is, without tabular corrections for derivation and weather.
                Well, the barrel, you see, is slightly better than the serial AR. Well screwed the pear. Well, they painted it and didn’t forget to slap the "Picattini sawmill" (how could it be without it) And what?
                Poroshenko, I see a share in the company bought ....
                And in the distance of 1200 and not only students believe. It’s quite an adult people (well, half and half Ukraine believe in all sorts of rubbish). And if they printed and told and showed ... Oh .....


                For SVD 300 meters - 14 cm. Bullet falls! Derivation and in truth at this distance does not matter.
                But the weather - alas, is of great importance !!!
                If -20 and precipitation ... the bullet will go 25-28 cm. Below !!!
                And if the elevation angle is 30-35 degrees ..... ?????
                And that 40-45 cm. Understates !!!
                Aiming at the chest - hit the leg (if you're lucky) belay
            4. Großer feldherr
              Großer feldherr 20 June 2017 23: 50
              +4
              Quote: Pulya
              Full game!
              7,62x51 flatness 300m. excellent, but after 550-600m. falls down. But one and a half kilometers is simply not real fantasy !!!
              Here hahly lie godlessly.
              Even a 1st grade student will not believe in such distances.

              This is your comment full game .308win - the most popular sniper cartridge in the world
              1. Pulya
                Pulya 21 June 2017 05: 13
                +1
                Quote: Großer Feldherr
                Quote: Pulya
                Full game!
                7,62x51 flatness 300m. excellent, but after 550-600m. falls down. But one and a half kilometers is simply not real fantasy !!!
                Here hahly lie godlessly.
                Even a 1st grade student will not believe in such distances.

                This is your comment full game .308win - the most popular sniper cartridge in the world


                I do not argue, this cartridge is quite popular. But here's the catch ...
                what is my koment "game" ???
                Take the ballistic tables and see!
                There you can clearly see at what distances you can (accepted) work (unless of course there are enough laughing )
                Have you ever held a carbine in your hands? Shot from him?
                Try at a distance of 400 meters in the target 30x30cm. get ... and immediately there will come an insight that yes how fellow
            5. tracer
              tracer 21 June 2017 02: 46
              0
              Ukrainians are now not schoolchildren, all lyceum students I suppose. And 308 caliber is more accurate and better only because it is NATVSKY.
          3. pjastolov
            pjastolov 20 June 2017 21: 57
            +8
            is it a fake - or giving you back will kill you. or the sound of a shot at such a distance can be determined by the sound technicians, and then at least two cars
          4. pjastolov
            pjastolov 20 June 2017 22: 00
            +9
            she with an integrated silencer
            here is our counterpart ov-96
          5. jonhr
            jonhr 20 June 2017 22: 59
            +1
            silencer does not affect range
            1. Monos
              Monos 20 June 2017 23: 17
              +11
              Quote: jonhr
              silencer does not affect range

              winked The presence of a silencer imposes a limitation on the power of the ammunition. Actually, I turned to specialists. No.
              1. jonhr
                jonhr 20 June 2017 23: 40
                0
                and what are the limitations? do they produce ammunition specifically for shooting with a silencer? laughing
                1. Antony
                  Antony 21 June 2017 00: 04
                  0
                  For AK, a subsonic US cartridge is produced. Another thing is that a muffler with an ordinary cartridge reduces the sound of the exhaust but not the bullets
                  1. jonhr
                    jonhr 21 June 2017 00: 08
                    0
                    this is not exactly what the comrade said above. By the way, the bullet passes the sound barrier still in the barrel and the silencer definitely suppresses this effect
                    1. Monos
                      Monos 21 June 2017 09: 25
                      +5
                      Quote: jonhr
                      this is not exactly what the comrade said above. By the way, the bullet passes the sound barrier still in the barrel and the silencer definitely suppresses this effect

                      If you mean a loud bang with the so-called "passing the sound barrier", then this is the impact on the hearing aid of the shock wave. What, to the best, a shock wave in a narrow bore !? Write better about what you have in mind.
                      1. jonhr
                        jonhr 21 June 2017 11: 09
                        0
                        so let's start the basics. what is cotton heard from?
                        in my opinion, I wrote that the sound barrier in the bore is a bullet. but the powder gases that emanate from the barrel at supersonic and create this shock wave. and the role of the silencer in this is to disperse this region of high pressure of gases flying at supersonic. An important factor is a sharp change in temperature.
                        Thanks to the expansion chambers inside the silencer, the recoil force is reduced and the firing accuracy is increased.
                        and now the expert refute me laughing
                        By the way, why when firing blank cartridges is cotton bad?
                      2. Monos
                        Monos 21 June 2017 12: 49
                        +4
                        Quote: jonhr
                        and now the expert refute me

                        Physics refutes you. smile The sound of the exhaust of powder gases is created by completely different processes, different from the processes that create a shock wave when a solid moves with supersonic speed. You confuse these processes. Do not fool me.
              2. Großer feldherr
                Großer feldherr 20 June 2017 23: 57
                0
                Of course, removed, as in absolutely any other weapon
              3. sir_obs
                sir_obs 21 June 2017 00: 32
                0
                Not just imposing, but the initial velocity of the bullet should be less than 320 m per second, otherwise there is a muffler, which is not. And with such an initial speed of 300-400 meters, only fire.
                1. jonhr
                  jonhr 21 June 2017 11: 10
                  0
                  But is subsonic ammunition a subsonic gas exit velocity?
              4. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 21 June 2017 02: 00
                +5
                While our “Slavic brothers” create a “lisaped”, our “Western partners” created a “smart sniper complex”.
                Cinema interesting:
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            2. Pulya
              Pulya 21 June 2017 06: 14
              0
              Quote: jonhr
              silencer does not affect range

              At range, yes.
              But the accuracy, alas, affects.
              1. jonhr
                jonhr 21 June 2017 11: 11
                0
                correctly affects. recoil force decreases if you are not in the know laughing
            3. tracer
              tracer 21 June 2017 06: 32
              +1
              This is from computer games noticed ....? Perhaps on a computer it is, but in life everything is different. I'll tell you a "secret" even more. Affects and how !!!!! Installing a silencer or suppressor, or moderator, call it what you like very significantly affects, not only the point of impact, which will still shift additionally from heating the barrel with a silencer. But it will also greatly affect the work of the self-loading mechanism. So it affects the brother as it affects.
              1. jonhr
                jonhr 21 June 2017 11: 13
                +1
                Yes, a sniper rifle is your machine gun and from it you can release a 30-round horn. laughing There is a golden rule of the first five shots. after which the accuracy decreases regardless of whether there is a muffler or not
          6. CAT BAIYUN
            CAT BAIYUN 20 June 2017 23: 24
            +8
            explain - such a distance for such a rifle

            not very special, but ....
            The Z-10 rifle is capable of hitting targets at a range of 1200-1500 m. The maximum effective radius of the rifle is about 800 m

            capable of striking - well, yes. If you get out of it.
            There is a firing range - we read 1200-1500, and there is an effective range - "maximum effective radius" - about 800.
            So how does it differ from SVD? At a price? Oh yeah! I am 100% sure of this
            A little better in accuracy? (all the same, it’s clear that this is an AR branch) - maybe. But it depends on the hands and on the shot.
            It’s a normal thing (probably because I didn’t hold it in my hands), but it’s not a super achievement either.
            1. Großer feldherr
              Großer feldherr 21 June 2017 00: 03
              +1
              Accuracy, it is one and a half times better than SVD. If from SVD with 1.25MOA it’s already 600 I get into the chest problem, then from 0.75 you can try at 1km without any hesitation.
              No hands will help if the hands are from one place, but for the "weak" shooters now there are smart sights with an integrated ballistic calculator
          7. sir_obs
            sir_obs 21 June 2017 00: 28
            +1
            For such a caliber a bit too much, this is the type for advertising. It says below that the effective distance is about 800m, which is more like the truth.
  2. pjastolov
    pjastolov 20 June 2017 20: 32
    +10
    The OSV-96 rifle is designed to defeat unarmored and lightly armored targets at distances up to 1800 meters, as well as enemy personnel behind shelters and in personal protective equipment at ranges up to 1000 meters. When firing sniper cartridges in series of 4-5 rounds at a distance of 100 meters, the dispersion diameter does not exceed 50 mm.
    Well, and again trying to invent a bicycle?
    1. Pulya
      Pulya 20 June 2017 21: 37
      +2
      Quote: pjastolov
      The OSV-96 rifle is designed to defeat unarmored and lightly armored targets at distances up to 1800 meters, as well as enemy personnel behind shelters and in personal protective equipment at ranges up to 1000 meters. When firing sniper cartridges in series of 4-5 rounds at a distance of 100 meters, the dispersion diameter does not exceed 50 mm.
      Well, and again trying to invent a bicycle?

      50mm. it's a half moa!
      Average result ...
      With such a heap, at a state of 500 meters only in the growth target, you can get into the head, even try not worth it !!!
      The limiting distance is 700-800 meters. Then just into the white light :)
      Well, 1800m. it’s after the grass only wassat
      1. pjastolov
        pjastolov 20 June 2017 21: 50
        +9
        The rifle is self-loading, the automation works by removing powder gases from the channel, with a series of 4-5 rounds the dispersion diameter does not exceed 50 mm.
        you generally read everything is normal, especially for you - in series
        1. Pulya
          Pulya 20 June 2017 22: 38
          +3
          Quote: pjastolov
          The rifle is self-loading, the automation works by removing powder gases from the channel, with a series of 4-5 rounds the dispersion diameter does not exceed 50 mm.
          you generally read everything is normal, especially for you - in series


          Nice man, we can read. But also knowledge with experience is also rich !!!!
          The average dispersion is determined by 3-5 shots. And then the radius between the holes is measured.
          5 shots is very cool, because a 4-5 shot heats the barrel and the spread increases.
          What is your claim? Specifically...
          1. proletarian
            proletarian 20 June 2017 23: 22
            +2
            Actually, shooting in series means an increase in the dispersion radius by 3-4 times, purely due to human physiology (well, give five shots in a row from such a barrel and I will look at your shoulder) I hope the collarbone remains intact.
            1. hohkn
              hohkn 21 June 2017 06: 30
              +1
              Nothing will happen to the collarbone. Engines shot at the fuel tankers - only on the road (I mean the B-94, “Burglar”). The mass of the rifle perfectly extinguishes returns.
            2. tracer
              tracer 21 June 2017 06: 39
              0
              Brother series can be any at least a thousand shots. In this particular case, a person describes to you a series of 5 shots that gives a characteristic of the accuracy of the trunk. Usually, competition is given time to complete this series. It (time can be completely different). But it is a series of 5 shots that determines the accuracy of almost any weapon. And then your shoulder will break? From 308 caliber? Don’t be afraid it won’t break, it’s rather an easy caliber .... Mosyan’s recoil is much stronger.
            3. Pulya
              Pulya 21 June 2017 09: 15
              0
              Quote: proletarian
              In general, series shooting implies an increase in the dispersion radius by 3-4 times, purely due to human physiology (Well, let me give five shots in a row from such a barrel and I will look at your shoulder) I hope the collarbone remains intact.


              And what will happen to the shoulder / collarbone ???
              7,62x51 recoil is almost imperceptible ...
              I fired 100-150 pieces at a time with this Deer cartridge.
              And with the shoulder everything is fine.
  3. tol100v
    tol100v 20 June 2017 20: 33
    +5
    The only thing you can advise them is to cut the fly!
    1. Pulya
      Pulya 20 June 2017 21: 45
      +4
      Quote: Tol100v
      The only thing you can advise them is to cut the fly!

      You won’t believe ... they didn’t put it on this rifle from the beginning ... they knew how it might end wassat
      1. tracer
        tracer 21 June 2017 06: 41
        0
        +100500 !!!!! there is probably a set of grease and petroleum jelly))))
  4. Luga
    Luga 20 June 2017 20: 35
    +1
    Either Poroshenko bought the shares of the Armsman, or someone else from the local establishment. Where will the 7.62x54R cartridges go? I do not believe that they were shot on the Maidan.
    1. pjastolov
      pjastolov 20 June 2017 20: 40
      +9
      Where will the ammo 7.62x54R go? I do not believe that they were shot on the Maidan.
      do not believe it - they sold them and bought a mattress not condition that kills the wusmart trunks laughing
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 20 June 2017 23: 17
      0
      They are all expired, but there is no production, that’s the whole story.
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 20 June 2017 20: 39
    +8
    can be used to perform the broadest tactical tasks

    Walking wide, tear your pants !!! wink
    1. pjastolov
      pjastolov 20 June 2017 20: 42
      +8
      Walking wide, tear your pants !!
      the same general-purpose tractor driver with a narrow concept hi
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 20 June 2017 20: 47
        +7
        Quote: pjastolov
        wide profile with a narrow concept

        I doubt that there is a concept at all ... even with a narrow profile ...
        1. pjastolov
          pjastolov 20 June 2017 20: 50
          +10
          Madam, well, you really, somehow not tolerant, they have Maidan and ATO are very broad tasks love
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 20 June 2017 20: 59
            +8
            Volodya, like my dad was walking ... don’t say a gop until you lay down on the ground ...
            1. pjastolov
              pjastolov 20 June 2017 21: 03
              +9
              don't say a gop until you’ve laid down on the ground.
              but I crawled along the ground, ran more often recourse
              1. Masya masya
                Masya masya 20 June 2017 21: 44
                +6
                Quote: pjastolov
                ran more often

                I would like to see ... how are you crawling along the bottom ... gills in stock?
                1. pjastolov
                  pjastolov 20 June 2017 21: 54
                  +7
                  I'm not almost a plastun, and to the water - no matter how, if only as a last resort. but I don’t know about the bottom (if only not bottles laughing ) - I'm talking about the ground hi
                  1. Masya masya
                    Masya masya 20 June 2017 22: 19
                    +5
                    So we have a different concept of "ground" ... father was a submariner, and you, as I understand it, is a Cossack?
                2. Viktor Kurganov
                  Viktor Kurganov 20 June 2017 22: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Masya Masya
                  Quote: pjastolov
                  ran more often

                  I would like to see ... how are you crawling along the bottom ... gills in stock?

                  Why gills? Opens a second wind ...)))))
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 20 June 2017 20: 41
    +4
    So what? smile
    I just decided to buy every employee of our company in an electric car. Only I also have no money for this, nor infrastructure crying
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 20 June 2017 20: 50
      +7
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      So I decided to buy every employee of our company in an electric car.

      The most important thing is decided, voiced ... and then, the grass does not grow ... and the people believe !!!
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 20 June 2017 21: 13
      +3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      I decided to buy for every employee of our company in an electric car

      Vania hi . Tomorrow I get a job as a wire carrier.
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Only I also have no money for this, nor infrastructure
      Ready to wait for all of this to appear. yes
      Hi! drinks
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 20 June 2017 21: 25
        +3
        Jura, while we wait for normal electric vehicles, our great-grandchildren are already getting old laughing
        Hello! hi drinks
        1. Viktor Kurganov
          Viktor Kurganov 20 June 2017 22: 38
          0
          Quote: stock buildbat
          Jura, while we wait for normal electric vehicles, our great-grandchildren are already getting old laughing
          Hello! hi drinks

          Take those that are. You will transfer to the electrician yourself.
      2. pjastolov
        pjastolov 20 June 2017 21: 26
        +7
        when all this will appear at you
        new wait good
    3. alexander.arier
      alexander.arier 20 June 2017 21: 15
      0
      well this is not a problem, take a loan.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 20 June 2017 21: 28
        +2
        What do you want to take a loan for? For those crafts that are, at least, exist, or for production with the invention of new technologies, so that really meaningful electric cars appear?
        By the way, I do not live in Germany, but in the Urals. We have a slightly different climate laughing
        1. alexander.arier
          alexander.arier 20 June 2017 22: 03
          0
          so I took a loan and washed off. right now, tell me who will give that loan. but how do others take ??? you take 100 million. 50 you give to the one who missed the loan, iiiiiiii ...... run away.
          And the auto-auto is not relevant, it's all about the batteries. but Toyota offers luxury hybrid cars. RAV dies with a 2.5 engine consumes 6 liters per 100km. other models are even smaller. a guarantee for a sweet potato 10 years, for a car as a whole 5 years.
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 20 June 2017 22: 19
            +2
            Aleksander, I am not a representative of "dill power" and not even a "modest" Colonel Zherchenko, or whatever his mother is. I don’t know how ... Conscience interferes ...
            1. alexander.arier
              alexander.arier 20 June 2017 22: 58
              0
              somehow it is hard to believe in the argument about conscience. Today, people vaguely imagine what it is and why it is needed at all. It’s a hindrance to live.
              are you sure you spoke conscience ??? it is a relic of antiquity.
          2. Viktor Kurganov
            Viktor Kurganov 20 June 2017 22: 44
            +1
            Quote: alexander.arier
            so I took a loan and washed off. right now, tell me who will give that loan. but how do others take ??? you take 100 million. 50 you give to the one who missed the loan, iiiiiiii ...... run away.
            And the auto-auto is not relevant, it's all about the batteries. but Toyota offers luxury hybrid cars. RAV dies with a 2.5 engine consumes 6 liters per 100km. other models are even smaller. a guarantee for a sweet potato 10 years, for a car as a whole 5 years.

            I don’t know how about 6 litas, but the fact that they give 10 years to the battery is absolutely guaranteed. Judge for yourself - the manufacturer gives a guarantee of 3 years, and for several thousand assembled in a battery already 10 ?. How? The system uptime probability is considered to be a multiplication of the probabilities of all elements. Hence, the term of operation is determined.
            Further, given the percentage of output in droves, the warranty period is selected.

            Further. For battery = 10 years, for cars in general = 5 years. How it is? I pulled out a car for 10 years. Interposed - 5 years.
            1. alexander.arier
              alexander.arier 20 June 2017 23: 07
              +1
              Well, you need to read what is, but you should not think over. Well, yes, I will explain on the fingers. 10 year battery warranty. if within 10 years the battery fails then it is changed under warranty. the auto as a whole has a 5-year warranty, but up to 100 km, that is, for 000 years and a mileage of up to 5 replacement of defective parts under warranty. if the mileage for up to 100 years is more than 000 km, the warranty for the auto ends, the warranty is only for the battery. I will specially explain that in case of problems with the brakes or the engine, the repair is at the owner’s expense, and in case of problems with the battery, replacement under warranty
              uhhh, hard in a village without a naga.
              1. Viktor Kurganov
                Viktor Kurganov 21 June 2017 00: 55
                +1
                Quote: alexander.arier
                Well, you need to read what is, but you should not think over. Well, yes, I will explain on the fingers. 10 year battery warranty. if within 10 years the battery fails then it is changed under warranty. the auto as a whole has a 5-year warranty, but up to 100 km, that is, for 000 years and a mileage of up to 5 replacement of defective parts under warranty. if the mileage for up to 100 years is more than 000 km, the warranty for the auto ends, the warranty is only for the battery. I will specially explain that in case of problems with the brakes or the engine, the repair is at the owner’s expense, and in case of problems with the battery, replacement under warranty
                uhhh, hard in a village without a naga.

                Yes. Auto for 35t. Green is written off, and the battery is removed and put on a second new one.
                Are you me, the designer, who devoured more than one jaw on these paper envelopes?
                They just write, knowing that to wrap up the complainant in evidence of his stupidity in operation, that two fingers ...
                The second one. If you are 50 years old and you bought such a car, then you are unlikely to live up to the end of the battery warranty period. There are many programs for calculating profits on SO RELIABLE equipment (this costs many times more than ordinary people who have real guarantees). and payments to the lucky ones who have received the dough for complaint.
                1. alexander.arier
                  alexander.arier 21 June 2017 17: 29
                  0
                  how everything is started.
                  neither my relatives nor my acquaintances have any problems.
                  maybe the whole thing is in the person ???
                  as the saying sounds, with such a person is always a bummer.
                  Well, sometimes there’s such a face that some face is written,
                  only a complete sucker will not throw me.
                  that's why post game ???
                  acquaintances had a Kia carnival, called with a fool, needed for a gesheft. Kia has a 7 year warranty, and they have been repairing the car for seven years. but as the guarantee ended they crossed themselves and got rid of him. the car is repaired under the guarantee of breakdowns a lot and often.
                  many brands make stocks and increase the guarantee to 5 years or 100 km, which the car will pick up ahead.
              2. Viktor Kurganov
                Viktor Kurganov 21 June 2017 01: 07
                +1
                Quote: alexander.arier
                Well, you need to read what is, but you should not think over. Well, yes, I will explain on the fingers. 10 year battery warranty. if within 10 years the battery fails then it is changed under warranty. the auto as a whole has a 5-year warranty, but up to 100 km, that is, for 000 years and a mileage of up to 5 replacement of defective parts under warranty. if the mileage for up to 100 years is more than 000 km, the warranty for the auto ends, the warranty is only for the battery. I will specially explain that in case of problems with the brakes or the engine, the repair is at the owner’s expense, and in case of problems with the battery, replacement under warranty
                uhhh, hard in a village without a naga.

                And finally. Echidna question: You ride on the battery, 7-8 year. But during this time, they developed and produce batteries three times more capacious than yours. Clinging to the huge loot that was once paid, you are content with junk with a travel radius of 200 km, while your smart neighbors paid three to five times less for a new one, having bought with a one-year guarantee, ride 500-600 km. That's right, dear fellow German.
                Well, I know what kind of work it is worth doing a piece of iron with a guarantee of 10 years. And not inflated, but the real 10 years. With military acceptance. My piece of iron the leading designer of which I was, precisely had such a requirement.
                1. alexander.arier
                  alexander.arier 21 June 2017 17: 31
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                  oh, what's the matter. miracle, at first you had to read what a hybrid auto and an electronic auto are.
                  it's a protso mandets.
                  goodbye and don’t hurt me moss. you need to communicate with people like you and the appropriate level of ignorance.
          3. dvina71
            dvina71 21 June 2017 00: 08
            0
            Quote: alexander.arier
            The auto-auto is not relevant, it's all about the batteries. but Toyota offers luxury hybrid cars. RAV dies with a 2.5 engine consumes 6 liters per 100km

            That's bullshit. The basis of this car is all grassy ICE, its efficiency .. well, say diesel .. about 30-35%, less gasoline .. How can you change this efficiency by adding more units to the system? Moreover, each unit has its own efficiency, less than 100% ..
            Most likely this expense is indicated for some kind of regime, which happens very rarely .. Judging by the Priusist forums .. their hybrids consume an average of 10 - 12 liters of a city and a 7-8 highway. Everything like the others are not hybrids.
            1. alexander.arier
              alexander.arier 21 June 2017 17: 38
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              it is elementary watson.
              you just need to find the hybrid gibitauto through google and read.
              I’m not going to give a lecture for free.
              I took Toyota for a month for a test, I got stuck in, and the flow rate corresponds. I took the H-VR. Hybrid auto sales have gone this year, a real breakthrough.
              I can still share that there is a heating system ICE-generator. the efficiency of such a system is 90%. intrigued ????
              I have paid consultations.
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 21 June 2017 17: 51
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                Quote: alexander.arier
                then elementary watson.

                Calm down .. dear friend .. I understand .. that the Western education system gives a great chance to a miracle .. But .. there are physics and its laws.
                The most economical car system. - ICE + mechanics. This system has the smallest collateral losses. Everything that becomes more difficult is less effective.
                YOU took a test car with already charged batteries .. This happens only the first time. Then for each charge you pay .. how much does the kWh cost there? But why doesn’t Toyota consider this money to be an expense ..
                On a long trip with a small number of stops, brakes .. this whole crap (batteries, transformers .. and so on) is just the extra weight for the internal combustion engine, which will burn additional fuel by transporting it.
                THAT .. miracles are possible only with you .. We still have a lot of people who have received high-quality Soviet education .., one problem .. there is very little miracle.
                1. alexander.arier
                  alexander.arier 21 June 2017 21: 47
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                  laughing good
                  well this is just gaping ignorance.
                  maybe it is easier to read about the new Toyota hybrid models ?????
                  I said only paid certificates like that.
                  physics is the basis of progress, and Soviet education is seen as a brake on development. therefore, the technique makes a fantastic progress with us, and you have everything so the Soviet version and beats in agony.
                  I can accept an apology, a question and payment for a consultation.
                  believe regenerative energy is an important and necessary component.
                  and Toyota hybrid from the network do not recharge. But lithium-ion batteries in Russia are not familiar ???
                  By the way, I remember the Sovicus when I could not believe that semiconductor lamps are possible in which the consumption is 90% less and they give more light.
                  The last TV that I bought for my mom was a 101cm diagonal, 46W consumption and I carried it with two fingers. like that. we have progress, and in everything,
                  and you???
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 21 June 2017 22: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: alexander.arier
                    The last TV that I bought for my mom was a 101cm diagonal, 46W consumption and I carried it with two fingers. like that. we have progress, and in everything,
                    and you???

                    And here we are .. They are building the largest atomic icebreaker, launched new centrifuges for enriching nuclear fuel, developed an industrial method for producing hafnium, are testing a cure for cancer (actually working), have developed a new method of 3D printing with metals ... and a lot of that, which is progress and innovation, unlike the TV ...
                    1. alexander.arier
                      alexander.arier 21 June 2017 23: 12
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                      even in this case they recall ballet and rockets.
                      nothing changes. propaganda and swollen moss.
                      when will you start living?
                      in August, he took 4 weeks off and went on food in his old car to Schweiz and Italy along the lakes and the sea.
                      my car is on wheels 6-2.20x and consumes 14 liters per hundred.
                      6 sleeping places close to or 4 royally.
                      and you have something like small prizes of 12 to consume.
                      No, something is wrong with you.
                      when you start to live ??? I already took 6 weeks of vacation this year, 4 in August, and 4 weeks left for this year.
                      we live poorly but happily. feel
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 21 June 2017 23: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: alexander.arier
                        even in this case they recall ballet and rockets.

                        Well, here comes the demagoguery .. there is nothing to answer .. understandably.
                        Go wherever you want .. your business, good luck in any direction .. I’ve already run into .. There was a time half of Europe traveled ..
                        When do we begin to live? Do you think that it will be fenced off by immigrants who have come to visit us and go to Italy. Is this life? Pay for a trip to the forest for mushrooms? For fishing in a public reservoir? ..
                        Well, nafig .. it's a prison, even if it’s comfortable.
            2. alexander.arier
              alexander.arier 21 June 2017 17: 50
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              By the way, I ride a matsde 3 to work.
              on the autobahn up to 8l per hundred if you water 160 or more.
              on a regular road 6.5l.
              it is an expense on my matsda without any hybrid.
              and those priuses that are brought to you even for those who are more than 10 years old, the batteries do not work anymore and the engines are from 400 km and the speedometer is wound 000 times, maybe 6 liters and a liter of oil per 10 km.
              Of course, I constantly see what they buy and drive for sale.
              the old model's Prius in normal condition with a working battery of more than 6 liters is not taken. although of course there are especially talented ones who are so strange.
              10l I did not even consume the old Merc on the autobahn. 180 and 9,5 consumption. automatic 135 PS.
              I do not recommend buying dead junk. By the way, the Russians came up with Tepmin for cars, young young people. this is a decent car but killed and retreated.
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 21 June 2017 22: 25
                +1
                Quote: alexander.arier
                By the way, I ride a matsde 3 to work.
                on the autobahn up to 8l per hundred if you water 160 or more.
                on a regular road 6.5l.
                this is the expense on my matsda without any hybrid

                You see what’s the matter .. There is such a chaotic Golf2GTI car. Really .. very good.
                So I’m reporting .. the consumption of his 1.8l engine with a power of 1112l.s (8 cells) at a speed of 60 km / h is 3.7 l, and at a speed of 180 km / h - 10.5 l.
                This is what I .. to the triumph of physics. The power of the internal combustion engine is nothing more than effective fuel consumption. The specific consumption of gasoline ICE 185-190g per 1ls. A long time ago. No system can change this. Miracles do not happen .. not in this industry. Lithium batteries do not suffer from self-loading, the regenerative component makes sense only in the mode of frequent stops-accelerations, on a long trip, all the returned energy will not amount to 10% of all the good spent on transporting it.
                It surprises me .. not knowing the law on energy conservation in Europe ..
                1. alexander.arier
                  alexander.arier 21 June 2017 23: 27
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                  and how to read about the new technology and the excellent technical solutions of toyta engineers. Well, or a BMW hybrid.
                  this is just braking.
                  as is the case with other technical advances that sovieticuses simply could not believe.
                  read about Tesla cars, your crisis will begin. and we have full Karlsruhe and Stuttgart already Tesla. 30 tesla worth. orders for half a year. that is, you order a car and weep only after six months, turn.
                  what are lazy and ignorant. probably this is the whole point. instead of reading about the new technology and how technical excellence is achieved, you will disgrace and fast game.
                2. alexander.arier
                  alexander.arier 21 June 2017 23: 41
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                  my friend has a golf 2litra turbodiesel 170 PS, 5litra consumption if 200 watered.
                  this is a new technique son. just a new technique. you will be shocked if you walk around our car houses and just try different cars.
                  and it’s better for you not to go to the tools and electrics shop. this your horse can’t stand.
                  Can you imagine an electric bicycle for mountains ??? 200km on batteries and 40% rise do not notice at all. just take off.
                  very important for schweiz and italy. lol bully
                  how are you behind, just forever. think why ???? can ignorance and unwillingness to learn and understand reality?
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 20 June 2017 20: 55
    +2
    I didn’t understand what the better of this, how his, zbroyar, our honored old man Dragunov.
    1. Alexey Z.
      Alexey Z. 20 June 2017 20: 59
      0
      I think it’s better only because it’s not ours ... not Russian)
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 20 June 2017 21: 21
        +2
        Well, maybe ...
    2. Viktor Kurganov
      Viktor Kurganov 20 June 2017 22: 50
      0
      Quote: newbie
      I didn’t understand what the better of this, how his, zbroyar, our honored old man Dragunov.

      They differ in the address of the pocket where the loot flows. For dragunov- to Russia, for this to the iron manufacturer, in the share of which ......
  8. alexander.arier
    alexander.arier 20 June 2017 21: 13
    +2
    given the ultimate range for the best rifles that use this cartridge. I doubt that in Ukraine it is possible to produce high-rise barrels for weapons. it is very expensive and special equipment and a lot of experience is needed. Equipment for the production of high-precision barrels is produced only on order, it is very necessary and it is necessary to send specialists for training.
    Russia bought such lines if memory serves in Switzerland. Russia now produces barrels by itself, but so far it has not been able to offer a competitive rifle to the world market. different models are produced for Russian consumers and the army, but they are inferior to world analogues.
    1. Oilpartizan
      Oilpartizan 20 June 2017 21: 57
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      I agree that American machines and German steel are needed.
      So Russia does, private gunsmiths.
      Judging by the article. Ukrainian gunsmith is the same private trader.
      What will stop him from buying good machine tools and steel?
      Nothing, in conditions of external aggression.
      The rifle is good in design and ergonomics, lightweight and “U-turn”, which is important.
      As for the declared characteristics in range and accuracy, skeptics should not personally question “fly or hit.”
      It's all about the arrow.
      And this cartridge will fly and hit.
      Proven for decades.
      1. Pulya
        Pulya 20 June 2017 22: 56
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        Quote: Oilpartizan
        I agree that American machines and German steel are needed.
        So Russia does, private gunsmiths.
        Judging by the article. Ukrainian gunsmith is the same private trader.
        What will stop him from buying good machine tools and steel?
        Nothing, in conditions of external aggression.
        The rifle is good in design and ergonomics, lightweight and “U-turn”, which is important.
        As for the declared characteristics in range and accuracy, skeptics should not personally question “fly or hit.”
        It's all about the arrow.
        And this cartridge will fly and hit.
        Proven for decades.

        For example: 7,62x54 at a distance of 600 meters, the bullet is reduced by half a meter from the line of sight. And this is with a bullet weight of 13 grams. And the mass is 7,62x51 9 grams. Even more decline. What do you think at a distance of one and a half kilometers, how much will the bullet decrease? And most importantly, LOSS in speed is how much ????
        This is how to pull up the barrel to the top, so that the bullet hits the target at 1500 meters ???????
        This I brought simple data for analysis. And if you take into account the wind, which affects a light bullet, launched on a steep slope and catastrophically losing speed (energy) + the wind in this state is not constant (porous) + humidity + temperature + wood ....
        Think for yourself fellow
        And who is this decade has tested 7,62x51 at a distance of 1500-1800 meters ???
        Surnames in the studio !!
      2. alexander.arier
        alexander.arier 20 June 2017 23: 24
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        what prevents buy ??? price. and qualifications for graduation.
        308 rifle with such indicators costs from 8000 and of course not hryvnia. and optics and other systems can cost several times more than that already for 30. only a less or less acceptable optical sight for such ranges costs from 000.
        in Ukraine, these are unrealistic prices. piece consumption. Aligarchs and deputies can buy 100 pieces of force. such production is doomed to bankruptcy and no one will naturally purchase and put it on hold. this is only the possibility of the state.
        and a kind of sniper rifle, that is, a hunting rifle with a massive barrel and the rest of the jewelry will cost about 2000. but this is not a sniper rifle, such a rifle can work up to 200m. and the price is 2000 dollars. in Ukraine, this is unrealistic. demand will be negligible. for the army such a hunting rifle is unsuitable and the price for Ukraine is lethal. Dragunov rifles from a warehouse out of competition with such a hunting rifle.
        that's clearer???
    2. jonhr
      jonhr 20 June 2017 23: 07
      0
      Do you think that trunks are so-so for shooting sports? as far as I am aware of a margolin gun that fires a small-caliber cartridge much more accurately pm. margolin for sports. Makarov for arming the security forces
      1. alexander.arier
        alexander.arier 21 June 2017 18: 00
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        I wrote about sports weapons ????
        sports weapons are also different, there are for beginners and the layman, and there are for professional major league athletes. so the weapons that major league athletes buy, and the quality and price are so high that many are simply scared. few will buy a sports sniper rifle where prices from 50 start.
        but the fact that ukronatsiki release this craft. that's about this topic.
        1. jonhr
          jonhr 21 June 2017 19: 59
          0
          The company initially specialized in sports and hunting weapons. which means there is not used equipment, but the newest
          1. alexander.arier
            alexander.arier 21 June 2017 22: 03
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            this is a big difference, high-end elite weapons and consumer goods.
            I'm just about the fact that in Ukraine the release of elite weapons is unrealistic.
            and hunting carbines with ranges of 200m are likely to be able to stamp. in the army such hunting rifles are not suitable for use.
            I already wrote, dragoons from a warehouse out of competition with such samopalami.
            and Dragunova is a mediocre rifle.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 21 June 2017 22: 34
              +1
              Quote: alexander.arier
              and Dragunova is a mediocre rifle.


              SVD is the best rifle in its field. It is not your fault that you do not know how to cook it)))
              1. alexander.arier
                alexander.arier 22 June 2017 00: 04
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                I’m comparing Dragunov with NATO rifles and not with Russian weapons. in the Russian and CIS markets, it may be nothing.
                It’s not for nothing that Russian special forces buy imported sniper rifles. there is no alternative and will not be, only advertising new rifles but the preference for special units is given to imported weapons.
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 22 June 2017 01: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: alexander.arier
                  I’m comparing Dragunov with NATO rifles and not with Russian weapons. in the Russian and CIS markets, it may be nothing.

                  Well, a word ... kindergarten .. SVD is a platoon level sniper weapon. Not MTR, but a front-line army rifle. And there is no SVD .. neither the AWP, nor KhiK, it will not be replaced there .. until the appearance of personal weapons on new principles.
                  Now to the MTR of the Russian Federation ..



                  At the beginning of the video, a trunk from 6c8 Cord flashes, it gives out a characteristic DTK, and at 4.45s the SV-98 .. is clearly visible, not even on the aluminum bed ..
                  1. alexander.arier
                    alexander.arier 22 June 2017 20: 07
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                    and if honestly ???? how they bought sniper rifles from the enemy and so they buy. everything that is released in Russia lags behind.
                    and an enemy rifle with all the instruments necessary for working from 50 is worth it. and the large caliber is much larger.
                    after all, everyone knows this for a long time. and the cord trunk for sniping is of little use. this is, as they say, social security for rural areas and against the natives. konda need to work at 2000m here and there is nothing to catch. it’s only a weapon from the enemy that you have to buy and a person to cook that costs a sea of ​​time and a sea of ​​money.
                    partrons for such shots are also special and cost depressing money.
                    even in our range of 10 shots 80 euros cost 308 paw.
                    large caliber is twice as expensive. you think the minimum is twice as expensive. and the sniper needs to shoot every day and a lot.
                    I'm certainly not talking about your cartridges, they don’t release anything from you. God forbid your shoot at 500m. partrons are complete shit.
                    By the way, the 308 paw special and standard differ greatly in price and features. special for 1000m from 10 8 to lie in the 30x30 caterpillar. God forbid 2 to drive standard, if you're lucky. you need to take higher and the drift is strong. while you are fired, you need to buy cartridges again.
                    Russian cartridges somehow began to offer because of the good price but quickly prekpatali. people tried and scored.
                    hunters really buy. they don’t need a shot at 100m, it’ll do.
            2. jonhr
              jonhr 22 June 2017 06: 36
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              if there is equipment of this class then why is the release unrealistic? and as I understand it, you don’t quite understand the marketing system. you can buy an elite thing by overpaying only for the brand two times. that is, for the show off. but in real life things are absolutely identical
              1. alexander.arier
                alexander.arier 22 June 2017 20: 12
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                show off??? it’s just necessary to try to shoot a rifle for 50 and for 000 yourself.
                and then understanding will come. these are generally different worlds.
                the teapot doesn’t understand it. and there is a pipe with a hole and there is a pipe with a hole. it’s like a car and a Porsche car, so why pay more yes ??? you buy a Cossack for 3 thousand and you think, but some bought a Porsche for 100 000.
                and there is no equipment for the production of high trunks in Ukraine and there will obviously be no more. in general, even mediocre trunks are unlikely to do, most likely mediocre purchases and pay good money. but it’s easier than producing, believe me.
                1. jonhr
                  jonhr 22 June 2017 20: 21
                  0
                  Is it you in a shooter where they shot a computer or something?
                  1. alexander.arier
                    alexander.arier 22 June 2017 20: 47
                    0
                    Well, it's like a frog looking out of a swamp trying to explain that there are sea beaches with white sand and fabulous blue and clear water.
                    we live in different worlds.
                    1. jonhr
                      jonhr 22 June 2017 20: 53
                      0
                      well what did you shoot from if you can even compare like that? laughing although I know who you are. here half of the site like you just didn’t shoot from. but in order to understand this, at least you have to go to the army and see with your own eyes what they will let you shoot from and from which you laughing
                      Well naturally in different. i live in real
                      1. alexander.arier
                        alexander.arier 22 June 2017 21: 34
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                        how you want to atone for your shame. information about me is unnecessary and even harmful for you.
                        By the way, I have Korefan ethnic German traveled from Ukraine. sometimes she rides to Ukraine to have fun and drags me. lived in mukachevo.
                        Ukraine is a corpse technologically, morally, and as a state. ukronatsiki Ukraine finished.
                        Ukraine will not release anything decent already. this is utopia. even in Russia they cannot reach the level of weapons produced in Europe and the United States, and Ukraine is already a corpse stinking and decaying.
  9. aiden
    aiden 20 June 2017 21: 23
    0
    Cho is more similar to the AR-10 than the AK-10. And what is ak-10?
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 June 2017 21: 32
    +3
    The article is a mistake. The base for this hunting carbine is AR-10, in short - an American, or licensed, or a screwdriver assembly from the parts of the United States. Trunks vna just nowhere to take.
    Well, the aiming range - 800 - I believe, the accuracy of 0.75 MOA - I do not believe it. Rifles of this type rarely give such accuracy - not because of the barrels, but because of the operation of the automation. Good snipers are all bolted!
    1. alexander.arier
      alexander.arier 20 June 2017 22: 14
      0
      with a high probability it is. But if the trunks are purchased in the United States, then the price will be unacceptable for Ukraine. or trunks are not high-precision but an option in the likeness.
      800m is a very good distance for a rifle and is already very difficult for a sniper, and a lot depends on the barrel. a supersniper with a crappy Shirpotrebsky barrel will be more smeared than papadot, and automatics are not installed at all on high-speed rifles, shops are still set up, but they aren’t set up on piece goods and shops. It’s certainly amazing that there are rifles that hit the target at 2000m.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 20 June 2017 23: 06
        +2
        More quality cartridges are needed. Sometimes they come across such that at a distance of 400 meters they can give a deviation of 10 meters to the side. It was observed for 7,62x54R explosive.
        1. alexander.arier
          alexander.arier 21 June 2017 18: 02
          0
          well 10m. you exaggerated it all the same. it must be fired in the other direction. for beginners, the shortage is most often.
  11. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 20 June 2017 23: 31
    0
    non-brothers, do not forget to cut the fly
  12. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 June 2017 01: 10
    0
    Something from this opera good
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 June 2017 01: 55
    +1
    ... kaklonatsisty lie as always ... what is the distance of defeat 1500 m with such a short barrel? laughing ... you can only agree with the weight - carry this laughing
  14. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 June 2017 06: 01
    +1
    in Ukraine [Quote] [/ quote]
    IN UKRAINE.
    Write on the Russian website in Russian!
    1. Catherine II
      Catherine II 21 June 2017 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Write on the Russian website in Russian!

      this is a personal matter
      For example, in events before 91, I write to, after-in,
      but wouldn’t reproach it, I would write ON, the point is resistance, the more they press, the more there will be a desire to do wrong
      so the next-write in Ukraine adds a desire to write in Ukraine.
      with respect.
      (there is a neutral one - in Ukrainian lands, in Ukraine)
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 June 2017 16: 26
        0
        Thanks, explained.
        Only such nonsense: this is a personal matter writing is still not worth it.
        In a language, any, there are rules and a person either knows them or not. Either he is literate or not and does not want to know anything. (There is an option - dumbass).
        Therefore, "what I want, then toss and turn" is Makhnovism and unculture.
        However, I asked you to write in Russian, but what about your language?
        (in terms of resistance .... stone, cast iron ... wood-oak ..... Will you go to the academy there?)
        Sincerely.
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 22 June 2017 02: 04
        +1
        Quote: Catherine II
        Catherine II

        Ekaterina .. I know why it is jarring you in / on .. According to the rules of the Russian language, Na is used to designate territories (in the Caucasus, in the Urals), and B is applied to states. Therefore, it is written in Siberia because then it was the state of the Siberian Khanate. And in Ukraine, it has never been a state. These were always the outskirts of the state, therefore it is customary to speak IN \ Russian in Ukraine.
        But I already explained to one person from Ukraine .. with whom I argued on this topic. Your effort to give significance to your state by changing the rules of the Russian language speaks only about the failure of this state. Validity is proved differently. And it’s just not like your president does it.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 June 2017 03: 57
          +1
          Quote: dvina71
          According to the rules of the Russian language, Na is used to designate territories (in the Caucasus, the Urals), and B is applied to states.

          Are you sure? But what about Cuba, Crete? These are EXCEPTIONS. And Ukrainians should be proud that they are SPECIAL, and not a bunch to develop, from scratch.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 22 June 2017 10: 18
            +1
            .Kuba is an island. Crete is an island .. Therefore - ON. To the Republic of Cuba, to the Republic of Crete.
            An example of America ..: In the USA, In America .., On the Amenan continent.
  15. Kot3713
    Kot3713 21 June 2017 06: 33
    0
    And it’s awake to pay ha ha ha laughing
  16. John_f
    John_f 21 June 2017 08: 29
    0
    the rifle is certainly not bad, the distance must have been lied to, BUT this is not important, it all starts small, then the army will be re-equipped with Bushmills or something else NATO, I already saw this in 08. only here in Ukraine, other heroes and all sawed at the initial stage ....
  17. Vladimir
    Vladimir 21 June 2017 09: 44
    0
    Quote: Luga
    Where will the ammo 7.62x54R go?

    I would ask about something else, where will they take good rounds in 308?
  18. Catherine II
    Catherine II 21 June 2017 10: 55
    +1
    little desire yet ...
    have money, have rifles
  19. jonhr
    jonhr 21 June 2017 15: 30
    0
    Monos,
    I do not confuse and share them. but they occur simultaneously and this cannot be taken into account.
    I expect refutations from a specialist who understands the question of what I'm wrong
  20. duchy
    duchy 21 June 2017 19: 03
    0
    It seems the manufacturers in the "Stalker" played.
  21. Vladimir Mamkin
    Vladimir Mamkin 21 June 2017 22: 28
    0
    Shoot at such a distance can and will, but the defeat of the target? if only by accident, the trunk is short.
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  24. alexander.arier
    alexander.arier 21 June 2017 23: 59
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    dvina71,

    I want to rot in the decaying west ??
    I cease to understand what you are writing about, only you teznically lagged behind forever. why don’t you just read about new technology and technical solutions. lazy and ignorant ????
    there are real solutions and products, and the fact that you are trying to convince yourself that this is impossible does not change reality.
    I am inclined to buy Toyota and all the declared characteristics correspond. otherwise Yato pardon people in felt boots thinks that it is impossible to program, nothing will change anything in our reality. but will change in your reality.
    Do you understand?
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 22 June 2017 00: 23
      +1
      Quote: alexander.arier

      0
      alexander.arier Today, 23:59 PM New
      dvina71,

      I want to rot in the decaying west ??

      Yes damn .. I was in this West .. And so what? YES, even in the 90s there was no desire to stay there .. even they suggested .. And now even more so there only as a tourist ... although .. and not a tourist .. it’s better to go to Kamchatka and Baikal ..
      With regard to technological progress .. Well, what you write is from ignorance .. Especially in terms of cars. I have been busy in this area for many years, I have the appropriate higher education.
      Here's a classic Prius review
      Sergey, Birobidzhan. I read criticism that the Toyota Prius has an ugly face - for me, it’s a very beautiful car, with smooth and soft contours. I have a 1.8 liter engine plus an electric motor - I think it’s better to overpay a little right away, but it will beat off very quickly by saving on gasoline. Judge for yourself - consumption on the highway 4.5 liters at a speed of 100 km / h, from Khabarovsk to Vladik spent 30 liters. The city depends on the driving mode and time of year - in the summer it is 4-5 liters, but in the winter it jumps to 8, it takes a lot to get warm.

      So ..nga second .. Golf2GTI motor of the same volume 8kl .. Consumption at 100km.h no more than 4l .. In what place should I be touched by progress?
      It was once not a difficult job .. By replacing the piston, on a vaz 2105 1.3 engine, with an eight with a sleeve, I got a 1.4 engine. Carburetor .. In taxi mode, in the city .. this engine spent 10 liters for 110-115 km ...
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        alexander.arier 22 June 2017 20: 28
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        Do you know anything about imported cars under the age of 20 ???
        I just feel sorry for you.
        why rest so much and hold on to ideolony soveticus knows everything better and everything has sovereign better.
        and then it comes to you that wonderful things and cars are being produced in the west, and you rush when you realize that you are doing something in the likeness, but as always, what the hell.
        They tried to sell the fret in Europe, but the summer cottage, Hyundai, Kia and prices offer better and a guarantee of 5 to 7 years. guess about the results of competition ???
        strange you.
        But the glf gti is fabulous. as in the ankdot, there used to be a blue sky and a penis. there was a good car, if you save up to shit, you could go out for 7 liters of consumption. only the engine will die quickly if you drive at a fifth speed of 60-70.
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    jonhr 23 June 2017 11: 20
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    alexander.arier,
    but the shooter is virtual. so in the army you will be allowed to shoot only from what they give. but even if he was engaged in sports shooting, it is unlikely that you had the opportunity to shoot from elite rifles
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      alexander.arier 23 June 2017 18: 52
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      you still don’t understand that we are from different worlds. of course you can’t imagine much in your swamp.
      we have in feraine 2000 people and such weapons that you simply cannot even dream of such a thing. and on weekends for us, as a special reserve, everything we wish is satisfied, of course, within reason. I can calmly shoot zinc from MG -3, and Feld jaegers bring me for examination and try anything. MP 5, MP7 is not for you to try, but you will not see it. to a permanent place in our arsenal, of course, everything is old but the characteristics are such that the new ones that you saw will soon be.
      L96A1, AS-50, Fortmeier Mod 2002, SIG SSG 3000 do you know what ???
      the Barettas said no and never will be. somewhere of course there is but clearly clamped.
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      alexander.arier 23 June 2017 18: 57
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      oh yes, special reserve and ferain are different organizations. one funded by the army the other by ourselves. we can throw off at fifty kopecks and buy a couple of barrels, for fun.
      laughing
      1. jonhr
        jonhr 23 June 2017 21: 12
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        I understand you have a split laughing one thing, then different organizations. By the way, you die for Germany if that, but if you want to run across, you can shoot your own laughing
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          alexander.arier 23 June 2017 22: 40
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          Google to help you, it can help. do not be lazy.
          laziness and ignorance will destroy you.
          I am a super commander and I have 2000 super warriors who idolize me, lie down and die with envy.
          Ich diene dem Krieg. Seine heiligen Geist ist Luft, die Ich atme.
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            jonhr 24 June 2017 07: 24
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            2000 bots as I understand it laughing
            1. alexander.arier
              alexander.arier 24 June 2017 09: 45
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              you are the wrong user, touchy and addictive.
              it’s hard for you to tell yourself that not everyone is how you vegetate and there are worlds where people live a valuable and eventful life.
              it’s easier for you to deceive yourself, so as not to study and develop.

              Ducunt volentem fata, nolentem trahunt
              Destiny leads the person who wants to go, the person who does not want to go

              Dictum of Cleanthus, translated into Latin by Seneca.

              KLEANF
              1. jonhr
                jonhr 24 June 2017 11: 37
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                but only you have nothing to do with the creation of the world where you live. I’ll say even more that you are somewhat reminiscent of those Arabs who fled from the war to the country that hosted them, and when they get warm they begin to rave about the creation of the caliphate.
                I’m here wondering how, having fallen from the masses to a normal country, you can dream of returning to these masses?
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                  alexander.arier 24 June 2017 12: 41
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                  ops, it looks like a breakdown mental disorder has begun. delirium went. an orphan, I am an ethnic German, I live in my country and with my people, I live happily.
                  maybe you are upset that Ukraine will fall apart from ukronatsizma. but it is always so. Nazism always destroys the country and nation.
                  you know that in a prosperous tsvetsariya 4 state. language, and the absolute equality and independence of the cantons.
                  you do not accidentally ukronatsik ???
                  Glory to the boilers ????
                  Deest remedii locus, ubi, quae vitia fuerunt, mores fiunt
                  There is no place for drugs where what was considered a vice becomes custom

                  SENECA Lucius Anney, “Letters”
                  1. jonhr
                    jonhr 24 June 2017 18: 56
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                    I’m not interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine, since I don’t belong to Ukrainians in any way. they will figure it out. but what side do you ethnic German have to do with Ukraine?
                    By the way, one of my observations. Natsik in Ukraine in percentage terms no more than in the same Germany or some other country in the world where there is a state forming a nation. I went there and saw everything with my own eyes. people live their own lives. and with regards to modern Natsiks, I generally think that these are creations of the special services of other countries that exploit the idea using some ideas in someone’s head
                    By the way, Switzerland is a confederation. that is, such an organization as the EU, and you need to know
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                      alexander.arier 24 June 2017 19: 10
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                      iiiiiiii ????? what about this koment ??
                      ukonazizma chtoli no and everything is in order in Ukraine ??? the Russian population of Russian regions is not discriminated against, there is no steria in the parliament to ban the Russian language and forcibly plant Western dialect ???
                      What prevented Ukraine from becoming a confederation, or at least a federation to prevent war ???
                      Ukronazists made a coup and rule Ukraine today. the Russian majority in Ukraine discriminates against the ukronratsian minority.
                      go to the censor. no read. this is a ukronratsky menagerie.
                      as you understand, I’m not Russian and I very sharply criticize Russia, Russians and Putin, but the fact that Ukraine was covered by ukronacism is a fact and my opinion independent of Russia.
                      By the way, it is not clear to me why Russia did not immediately help the Russian regions of Ukraine to force ukroantsists to recognize confession and protect the rights of the Russian population.
                      1. jonhr
                        jonhr 24 June 2017 20: 23
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                        To be honest, you yourself are not far from Natsik. you were there about something like I was in a swamp, and you're like in another world. although as I determined you to create that world you have nothing to do. Yes, you are an ethnic German, but you are not a German in thinking. it is from those Germans who rethought after the Second World War much.
                        tell me, do you support that Merkel let refugees in?
                        but Russia did not do it because there is a memorandum on the inadmissibility of redistributing borders. although as he said he indirectly supports it. Well, indirectly, a loose concept
  26. alexander.arier
    alexander.arier 24 June 2017 20: 31
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    jonhr,
    the problem is not that Merkel let refugees in, the problem is that this is not a refugee reception. refugees in this stream and 10% are not recruited. and the most problematic is that these so-called refugees hate the law, culture and order of Germany. and if this influx of strangers cannot be stopped, then a war will go on as in Kosovo. as soon as the refugees will be 40 million. there will be a bloody war of survival. and help such as you will scream like that. so many killed and how it happened.
    that’s why Merkel already understood that it is necessary to expel refugees who are economic emigrants and severely limit the possibility of emigration. including from the eastern countries of europe. hard workers are so abundant that they just roll their own earnings.
    1. jonhr
      jonhr 24 June 2017 21: 09
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      as a person, I support Merkel, but as the head of state there is no. she went about her feelings.
      but you have the thinking of a person who is afraid of losing his well-being. that’s the difference between you. you and merkel. although with your brains and your thinking it was hardly possible to build Germany in the form in which it is now
      1. alexander.arier
        alexander.arier 24 June 2017 23: 45
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        all people do not want to lose their well-being. this is something that people create with their labor and naturally there is no desire to keep at their own expense it is not clear who and who are not hating those who started to feed.
        but this is not the biggest problem. the biggest problem is that if you do not stop the influx of aliens alien European civilization, then war is inevitable. at first they agree to help and are ready to bend somehow, but when they become half they ask and wait and noob, they will demand and select. and this is war.
        in Ukraine, this is what we see, in the Russian region the Ukronazists are fishing and robbing, and the reason is that some Russians and others are Western Ukrainians with different cultures, languages ​​and religions. foreign nations with different stories and heroes.
        you poor man knows Germany and German politicians very poorly, Merkel is the last to think about Germany and the German people, she just has all the resources and propaganda in her hands.
        Merkel, in general, nobody and nothing, since he pulled out a zamyryhku not particularly gifted and not particularly fundamental. at first she defamed Tilo Saracina with her party and then a year later climbed onto the podium and repeated everything after him, declaring that the multult was utopia and the destruction of the state and people. she proclaimed the end of the multicult, but she just doesn’t know what to do next.
        wait, more merkel in Germany will carry worse than gobachev in Russia.
  27. alexander.arier
    alexander.arier 24 June 2017 20: 36
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    jonhr,
    oh yes, by the way, this is my people and the world and I create it every day. me and my fellow citizens. bite yourself for the ass from anger.
    Take a look at the believers! Who hates them the most? He who breaks the tablets of their values, destroys and transgresses, but he is the creator.

    lol
    1. jonhr
      jonhr 24 June 2017 21: 12
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      I do not envy the Germans. I respect them. but you are not here. you are an upstart who considers himself native to the Germans, but is not. you are exactly like the character of the film Kin-dza-dza for you, the person determines the presence of keze and the possibility of owning raspberry pants
      1. alexander.arier
        alexander.arier 24 June 2017 23: 52
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        you are very offended. the thing is that what you think is your little and wretched little world that does not matter at all to me and my world. you can consider anything, but I live great with my bunk and I just can’t have a conflict with my people and my country like a muslimos or other migrant workers of your type who feel like let's say honestly flawed.
        that’s the problem. I am at home, with my people, and I am prospering, and those who feel disadvantaged themselves are to blame for not building their state and cannot become successful with their people.
        do you really think it's my fault ??? work go. you need to work, work hard, only labor creates good. learn to work.
        1. jonhr
          jonhr 25 June 2017 08: 16
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          where am I in your opinion and feel great? Is it really not in the homeland? he himself came up with and said himself, and feels a certain superiority. I can’t call you a primitive person laughing
          and how do I selectively resent? Germans I respect as a nation. and some representatives like you are not. if noticed, I separate flies from cutlets. that is, in general, yes it is a great nation. but some representatives like you are the bottom
          1. alexander.arier
            alexander.arier 25 June 2017 10: 28
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            so you suffer and you have lives at the bottom. you can’t even imagine that other people live cool and can see and try something that you don’t even dream about. and it gnaws at you and begins to distort your meager thinking. and your sufferings spill over and envy and attempts to justify yourself somehow. here they say you, but I, too, no worse. but everything everyone has what they can and deserve. your destiny is envy and suffering. and that you yourself do not know your homeland, the flag is incomprehensible, you write in Russian, you sympathize with the Ukronatsi animals. it is likely that you’re afraid to simply admit that you are an ukronacist, but you don’t want to fight for western Ukraine.
            no matter how you suffer, I live with my people and in my country and I feel comfortable with my people as much as possible. the interests of my people, these are my interests, but you just have a problem, you would have stumbled into Germany and there are a lot of people like you and nobody needs you and nobody needs you. lol
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              alexander.arier 25 June 2017 10: 32
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              oh yes, by the way, how do you like Schweiz ?? or is it better ??? in Schweiz, the air is delicious and in Italy the sea. how not to twist everything is necessary.
              Some do not succeed: a poisonous worm gnaws at their heart. Yes, they will do their best to make death better for them! laughing
              1. jonhr
                jonhr 25 June 2017 11: 43
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                I have never been to stop for work. so if you were on business. so do not confuse me with those who run for long money. they don’t bring benefits to my country. it’s self-deception that money comes from abroad, but everything in the country is collapsing. I am not very good with my compatriots who have left for other countries for money.
                and I don’t sympathize with Natsik. here I am sorry for the people of Ukraine that they have to go through thorns
                1. alexander.arier
                  alexander.arier 25 June 2017 18: 06
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                  what kind of people of Ukraine ??? in Ukraine, Russian regions are populated by Russians, Little Russian regions are Little Russians, a subgroup of Russians, and western Ukraine is populated by a mixed population that once migrated from Poland, Hungary and Romania, and some part of the degenerate Russians who lived in these territories until the 12th century.
                  so that you do not sympathize with the people of Ukraine but with the ukronatsian geeks who made a coup and seized power in Ukraine. just cowardly openly say. or rather, ukronatsikskih geeks for yourself you made the Nazis and the Ukrainian people.
                  and do not flatter yourself, I confuse you with no one. I'm just kidding you. you are entertainment for me.
                  And most of all, we are unfair not to those who are disgusting to us, but to those to whom we do not care. lol
                  1. jonhr
                    jonhr 25 June 2017 18: 15
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                    Well, it's up to them to decide what kind of people they are. I agreed that you are German from your words. but I can say that you are a Turk and you won’t prove anything to me.
                    coup. this is such nonsense. there was no coup there. just sat like a bone in his throat legitimate. but different organizations such as the sector on this wave and rose at this time. I do not understand their position. while the country needed stability, they did everything possible to prevent this stability.
                    I was not mistaken in calling you primitive. you think superficially and one-sidedly
                    1. alexander.arier
                      alexander.arier 28 June 2017 19: 26
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                      Well, that’s the answer. ukronatsik you how many ukronatsikov do not justify, Ukraine kapets. what can you hold on there you can finally spit on everyone. ukronatsikov Russia will have to finish and there are no options. and you are offended to cry and realize that ukronatsizm is a crime and bestiality.
                      the ukronazists made a coup and after that the war between Russians and Western Ukrainians began.
                      the truth is that Russians in Russia, for some reason, are also fooled by Ukrainian propaganda that Russians are fighting in Ukraine with Russians, Russians in the Ukrainian army and 5% will not be typed. and of these 5%, the question is how many ukronatsiks are ready to shoot and leave.
                      this happens periodically.
                      1. jonhr
                        jonhr 28 June 2017 20: 47
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                        are good psychiatrists in Germany? in my time it’s time for you to visit one of them laughing
                        he thought up, wrote and accused me of what I didn’t even hint at laughing
  28. alexander.arier
    alexander.arier 28 June 2017 22: 31
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    jonhr,
    stuttered ukronatsik, and you will be a stutter.
    you pretend to be sympathetic to ukronatsikam, but the disgusting ukronatsitskaya mug climbs.
    you’re afraid that ukronatsikoys are immediately lowered on this resource, and you’re turning it backwards.
    your comments all say, you suffer that the ukronazists in agony and complete hopelessness.
    sorry Russia in 2014 did not immediately began to finish ukronatsikov.
    that everyone hopes that ukronatsikov everything will work out ??? you forgot the law of this genre, ukronatsiki already finish ukronatsiki. self-devouring.
    so glory to the boilers.