Iskander and the INF Treaty

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Iskander and the INF Treaty

Materials from August 11, 2011 can be found on the Internet. rocket complex "Iskander", borrowed from "Wikileaks". The authors focus on the current state of operational readiness of the "Iskanders" and emphasize whether the systems can be used as a means of pressure on the United States - regarding the latter's possible refusal to deploy a missile defense system in Europe. The material, as reported, was selected based on information from military specialists of the Ministry of Defense and the GRU and was intended for a report to the unknown "Puty".

The report says that today Iskander falls under the Treaty on Intermediate-Range and Short-Range Missiles (INF). As is known, there are two complexes: 9K720 "Iskander-E" with a range of 280 km in order to comply with the missile technology control mode (export version) and 9К723 "Iskander-M" with a range of 450-500 km (for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) . The Oka complex, the predecessor of Iskander, was liquidated in accordance with the INF Treaty.

The accuracy of the destruction of the target "Iskander" is approximately ten meters. The rocket is able to fly low and perform maneuvers to prevent interception in the lower atmosphere.

State tests of the Iskander were carried out in 2004, and the first army divisions were formed three years later, by the end of 2007.

Currently, the creators of the Iskander complex are engaged in improving the combat capabilities of the complex, including the integration of the high-precision subsonic cruise missile P-500. The P-500 is a version of the Soviet long-range missile 3М10 with a range of 2600 km, designed for Soviet nuclear submarines. These missiles were also eliminated under the INF Treaty.

So, today everything that is being done in this area in Russia falls under the terms of the INF Treaty.

Meanwhile, by the 2015, it is planned to adopt sixty Iskander. Five brigades are either already equipped or ready to accept Iskander complexes dispersed throughout the Russian Federation:

1) 107-I, Far East, Seven-cost (going equipment);

2) 26, Leningrad Region, Luga (preparation and equipment);

3) 103-I, Buryatia, Ulan-Ude (training and equipment);

4) 92, Penza Oblast, Kamenka (preparation and equipment);

5) 114, North Caucasus, Znamensk (preparation and equipment).

The previously mentioned brigades were armed with the Tochka-U complexes. According to the materials, the Iskander systems were the first to receive the 107-I missile brigade, and the 114-I and 103-I will be fully equipped with them by the end of 2011.

It should be noted that the list does not include two brigades in the Moscow Military District, a brigade in Kaliningrad and some brigades in the North Caucasus. It is planned to equip them with Iskander complexes following the completion of the re-equipment of the first 5 brigades. The decision to deploy missile systems in Kaliningrad is a political one. Missiles can hit targets in Germany and other US missile defense targets. Deploying the P-500 missiles means potential destruction of targets with high accuracy throughout Europe.
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  1. +16
    28 February 2012 12: 07
    Not! Well, what insults can NATA have in Russia ?! DAM, on the other hand, clearly said that with the continued development of missile defense by Russia, Russia does not exclude the possibility of withdrawing from all kinds of treaties there! But, DAM - he is a supporter of all kinds of agreements and is jealous of their observance, and the All-Union Political Administration - he is, after all, not a lawyer! He is a simple man, a military man! ... And if he breaks a contract, it’s not out of harm! One - for the sake of and for ignorance! ... Oh! Our life! ... We are not literate ... fool
    1. Born in USSR
      +6
      28 February 2012 12: 08
      Smiled :-)
      1. Regul
        +11
        28 February 2012 12: 40
        Yes, in TTX write that the flight range of the rocket we have is 50 meters, well, we like those, and how long it will fly, if necessary, it was just lucky, honestly, the wind was fair. - Did you make any maneuvers? - I couldn’t, this turbulence is simply big. - Did you get into the White House? -Well, we generally shot at the other side. Well, in that spirit.
        1. Cripple cross
          +5
          28 February 2012 12: 48
          It’s like the law on the registration of rubber boats with a loading capacity of more than 150 or 200 kg came out, so immediately boats appeared in the shops that externally lift a ton, but the passport contains exactly the same rule that does not require registration in the GIMS laughing
          1. +2
            28 February 2012 13: 29
            Quote: CrippleCross
            since the law on the registration of rubber boats with a loading capacity of more than 150 or 200 kg came out, so immediately boats appeared in the shops that externally lift a ton, but the passport contains exactly the same rule that does not require registration in the GIMS

            Correct - 200. But the essence is the same. Actually, 200 kg long boats were transported earlier than 2 kg, and now about 4 m. The diameter of the inflatable part (I don’t know what is called) was larger than the diameter of the early boats. My friend just has this old one in the country - the sizes are different and the load capacity is the same. laughing
        2. +1
          28 February 2012 13: 29
          Correctly said, the main thing all the time in the media is to say that these are prototypes (when they take off, then you will see where they flew). Let them be afraid - but the respect is unmeasured.
        3. 0
          28 February 2012 14: 19
          Yes, one hundred pounds is done by us and them. Why tell a potential enemy how far rackets fly?
    2. +2
      28 February 2012 12: 55
      Quote: esaul
      Well, what insults can NATA have in Russia ?! DAM, on the other hand, clearly said that with the continued development of missile defense by Russia, Russia does not exclude the possibility of withdrawing from all kinds of treaties there!


      I agree, the Americans are stubbornly building missile defense at the borders of Russia, claiming that this is not against Russia.
      It's like I'm about to leave my apartment and go outside, and there's a guy with a knife standing on the landing and saying, "The knife is for self-defense, it's not against you!" Naturally, I'll go back home, take my gun with me, and ask the guy to leave.
      Therefore, I agree that Iskanders are not against the Americans and their allies. But in which case they will only bomb the territory on which missile defense elements are located. Therefore, residents of these territories should consider whether it is worth deploying a missile defense system, and if they did, then let them go to a safe distance, otherwise it doesn’t matter ...
  2. Anatoly
    +4
    28 February 2012 12: 16
    It was rumored that the Iskander's range was far from 500 km. And in order to meet the contract, it is simply classified. If desired, it increased to 2000 km.
  3. +7
    28 February 2012 12: 20
    "Oka" did not fall under any agreements. Destroyed her "marked" by the proverb of amers. Then the designer of "Oka" shot himself.
    1. +4
      28 February 2012 13: 16
      Quote: jindol47
      Then the designer of "Oka" shot himself.

      Are you nuts? Are you going to shoot yourself because of some marked men and Georgian lawyers? If I'm not mistaken, September 13, 2011 was the 90th birthday of Sergei Pavlovich Nepobedimy, an outstanding designer of rocket technology!!!
      1. Regul
        0
        28 February 2012 13: 33
        Quote: neri73-r
        Why did you collapse from oak? Because of all the tagged and Georgian lawyers to shoot? If I am not mistaken, September 13, 2011 marks the 90th anniversary of Sergei Pavlovich the Invincible - an outstanding designer of rocketry !!!

        Do not be mistaken, he still lives and lives, God forbid, another 100 years.
        Here's what I found about his departure:

        It so happened historically that in our country there were almost no former General Designers - from this position, as a rule, they were carried away (feet first). Or, for one reason or another, often very far from technology, they were filming. The invincible is gone. Himself. And not just from the post - from the organization. When our near-war media regained consciousness from the perestroika frenzy, when it became not only safe to bite the first and last President of the Soviet Union, but also a good form, when the late Marshal Akhromeev finally became a national hero from a “gekachepist”, from article to article the version went for a walk: Sergei Pavlovich, by his departure, expressed a pro-test against the elimination - under the Treaty on Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles - of the Oka complex that did not fall under it in any way.
  4. sergskak
    +1
    28 February 2012 12: 27
    Yes, this treaty has already exhausted itself. It's time to untie your hands and let the West wonder what kind of next missile is adapted for the "escander!"
  5. Dimitrxnumx
    +1
    28 February 2012 12: 34
    In Cuba, we need to put our missile defense system, it will sober up all the amers. I don’t understand why we are still not building our missile defense there?
    1. Sergh
      0
      28 February 2012 12: 51
      Yes, maybe we are building it, who will tell us? In five years we will find out that under the North Pole there is a terrible nuclear base buried and missiles sticking out, then we will talk. But seriously, it is not that simple, I don’t think that this is all that we are fed from the press, I watched the latest Discovery about space on the media, and there the Americans dropped a phrase that they also need to create a nuclear-space engine because the Russians have already made (tested) two successful launches???!!!
    2. 0
      28 February 2012 13: 52
      For all the same contracts. Nikita and Kennedy agreed on this.
  6. sergskak
    +3
    28 February 2012 12: 46
    - The accuracy of hitting a target with Iskander is approximately ten meters. Maybe it pleases them? Maybe it’s worth saying that 10-15 km? Let not only military officers shake.
  7. TULSKIY CAMOBAP
    0
    28 February 2012 12: 47
    I don’t understand why Iskander in Buryatia?
    1. +3
      28 February 2012 13: 04
      There, the border with China is convenient for the transfer of forces.
    2. +2
      28 February 2012 13: 12
      How is that why ??! next to our "brothers" the Chinese ... they always looked at us askance ... If we "assume" that the Iskanders have a combat range of 2000 km. then it covers almost the entire territory of China, and reaches almost to the border with South Korea
    3. 0
      28 February 2012 13: 52
      It’s close to China.
  8. +2
    28 February 2012 13: 12
    Quote: Anatoly
    It was rumored that the Iskander's range was far from 500 km. And in order to meet the contract, it is simply classified. If desired, it increased to 2000 km.

    I also heard (naturally at the rumor level) that its range has been officially reduced. But at the same time it was said that the performance characteristics were simply adjusted to the contract. Those. perhaps the real range is greater than stated. I hope so.
  9. +2
    28 February 2012 13: 19
    On the network you can find materials from August 11, 2011 about the Iskander missile system, borrowed from Wikileaks. Authors are focusing attention on the current state of operational readiness of the Iskanders and focus on whether the complexes can be used as a means of pressure on the United States - regarding the possible refusal of the latter from a plan to deploy missile defense in Europe.

    The fact that this issue was raised means the USA and Europe are very worried at the moment. The United States convinces Russia, ranging from blatant lies, to believe it is not against YOU. Congressmen say it's better to spend money on the economy, etc. No, brothers, this is the economy - there is no protection, there is no economy, there is no country - that’s the truth.
  10. +1
    28 February 2012 13: 20
    If you take into account that this installation is a reusable mechanism. And by simply re-equipping the missile to a long-range missile., The installation becomes a very formidable weapon ... With the effect of mobility (you can practically make a volley from any bush and move it under another bush) and does not require mines ..
    1. Juga
      0
      28 February 2012 16: 33
      So after all, this is the whole essence of this complex, they lowered the range (constructively) of the missile - that's all, we don't fall under the s (t) early agreements, and thank God. But "Iskander" is a direct descendant of "Oka", it is the only one that does not float and the rocket is single-stage.
      I hope they took into account the venality of the previous government in terms of disarmament, it's a pity "Oku", they handed over for a pinch of tobacco, but after that it is absurd and impudent to say that "Iskander" falls under something.
      After all, the Merikos did not destroy part of their medium-range missiles removed from combat duty, but use them as target missiles to test anti-ballistic missiles, which our specialists are well aware of and cause their terrible discontent.
  11. +1
    28 February 2012 16: 47
    So, today everything that is being done in this area in Russia falls under the terms of the INF Treaty.

    If I keep a watchdog in the yard, it doesn't mean that he bites everyone! For this, a sign "Caution! There is an angry dog ​​in the yard" hangs on the fence. Do not climb into my yard and no one will bite you!

    The state should be under reliable protection, and let everyone else think - is it worth it to climb, not into your yard!
    1. 0
      29 February 2012 07: 17
      It’s like in a joke should be:
      The inscription "Do not get in, it will kill!", Taken literally in all languages ​​of the world, for a Russian person simply means: "You be careful there when you get in!"
  12. 0
    28 February 2012 19: 05
    And in the Penza region they are for "who"?, in other cases everything is clear, but here why...
  13. FiremanRS
    0
    29 February 2012 01: 49
    Hee hee hee))) Well, yes, and it doesn't hit or it hits..... Eeeeeee, what the hell difference does it make that they exist and that's enough for the Americans to scratch their heads in bewilderment)) Hooray, what ))))) And in Penza they are exactly for that reason, so that it is not clear how far it flies... or maybe this is again the "stupidity" of the generals..... or maybe it flies? )))))