China will receive Russian Triumph anti-aircraft systems and SU-35 fighters

China has expressed a desire to acquire the Russian-made C-400 Triumph already in 2015, but so far negotiations are underway to supply Su-35 multi-role fighter jets to this country.

According to the first deputy director of the FSMTC of Russia (the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation) Alexander Fomin, the Chinese side has offered to acquire a certain number of these aircraft.

Now this issue is being studied by the authorized organization of the Russian side.
Regarding the prospective deliveries of Russian systems to China Defense, then Fomin first recalled that from 1993 to 2010, a large number of Russian anti-aircraft systems were delivered to China. missile systems, including the S-300PMU2 "Favorit". The deliveries were carried out within the framework of military-technical cooperation.

Speaking about further cooperation with China in the field of air defense, A.Fomin said that now the Chinese partners are interested in acquiring the new generation C-400 “Triumph” anti-aircraft missile systems. And they want to receive the first batch of these rocket systems already in 2015 year.

According to A.Fomin, the prospects for the delivery of the C-400 “Triumph” air defense systems to the PRC, as well as the timing of these deliveries, will be determined as the Russian military leadership accomplishes the tasks associated with equipping the Russian Armed Forces with these systems.

Fomin also said that at the moment additional capacity is being built for the production of C-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems. Chinese partners were not interested in purchasing other Russian air defense systems.

Comments

[PISTOL]

From the beginning, Russia needs to fully arm the S-400, and then think about deliveries to other countries!

[Denis]

I agree with you that you need to sell what is already fully in service with us, and only if there are already new, more advanced models ready for use.

[Sergh]

Now the Chinese will probably be explained how to behave at the customer level. China is a well-known copying buyer, they were told that until we have the S-500 degenerated, they can’t see the S-400.

[esaul]

Hello, Andrey. No need to worry, buddy! The same Rogozin said that deliveries to our partners will be carried out in parallel with the schedule of deliveries of the latest systems of the RF Armed Forces! And Putin yesterday demanded from the Ministry of Defense justifications for the feasibility of building a new plant, and not a "stupid" "development of funds"! So, the increase in the volume of arms production and parallel sales (!) will be supported by competent feasibility studies!

[KuigoroZHIK]

Once interested - we do not mind, only:
1 - take a party with a big, just huge.
2 - use these supplies as an additional lever of pressure regarding the settlement of prices for polymers ... We will not agree on anything ...
Here.
And about what they copy - vryatli. They could not pull the C300 to the required level. Think C400 can?

[Gur]

Yesterday another message arrived... as an additional agreement on Triumph, China asks to attach carbon copies or ready copies of documentation to the complexes)))))))

[Genry]

China is preparing for war with India. For us, it is important to maintain a safe balance of power between these states. Therefore, China, as a potential aggressor (and a technology thief), cannot sell anything progressive of weapons.

[SergeySK]

Yeah, keep the balance. Hindus also sell!

[KuigoroZHIK]

Quote: Genry

China is preparing for war with India. For us, it is important to maintain a safe balance of power between these states. Therefore, China, as a potential aggressor (and a technology thief), cannot sell anything progressive of weapons.

I fundamentally disagree. You just need to sell to China and India. And when both have deterrents, there is less chance of war.
I don’t think that China will start playing war with the Indians. If he starts, then not soon. The first will be small countries to which China has complaints. And we will arm them too I understand that the money is dirty - but let's be realistic, we need to recover, and for this we need money and orders.

[Neighbor]

It's good. After all, all the equipment sold is crammed with microchips, which, if necessary, completely disable this equipment.
As for reconstructing a copy - it is doubtful - the Hindus still cannot even do something close like Topol. Materials, technology - all that - brains are not turned that way.

[Neighbor]

I remembered - even the technology for producing metal rockets - is gos. a secret. The composition is still okay, but the technology - Melting points, pressure, a whole bunch of factors - there is a whole science.

[CBT Pinocchio]

China wants the S-400 in the number of 3-5 divisions.

[sahha]

I commented on the article, and you?

[alps]

It’s interesting when the Chinese start asking to sell drawings right away, just for more money, because everyone understands what and why China is buying this or that equipment?

And yet, the name does not match the content.

[esaul]

Quote: alps

It’s interesting when the Chinese start asking to sell the drawings right away, just for more money, because everyone understands what and why China is buying this or that equipment

Eugene, salute! Yes, ChinaSA and the C - 300 asked for documentation - they licked ... They tried to copy - they do not reach our parameters! I ask the respected - Igor (old rocket) and Colonel - guys, tell me a little in this regard! This is your diocese! Sincerely, Valery (Yesaul)

[Tatars]

In general, Russia is already destined to stop military-technical cooperation. So how many have already copied. Let's also sell PAK-FA and Tu-160. And what did they want to buy the Su-35? They said that their J-11B is superior. Though explosives or something that explodes when disassembled, they are completely insolent, copied and sold to third-world countries by heart. Nevertheless, there is hope that they will not sell the Su-35 and S-400.

[PISTOL]

Quote: esaul

Andrey, welcome. Don’t worry, buddy!

And I welcome you, thanks - reassured)

[esaul]

Quote: GUN

And I welcome you, thanks - reassured)

Oh well, buddy! Good luck to us!

[Charon]

The title of the article does not match the content.
They will not enter the arsenal of China, but only China has expressed a desire to acquire.
For an incorrect title I put (-).

[320423]

For China Special offer: su-35 - a batch of 200 pieces, the price is 150 lyam per piece, an advance payment of 100%, in case of a contract break, the money for any reason does not return the advance payment, for s-400 something similar. And I think that prices are peeling mono good because nobody sells anything modern to him now.

[BOSS]

are preparing to fight from the usa.

[Hauptmann emil]

I think it’s not worth it to sell such a system all the same (all the more so, we ourselves don’t have it yet. We must first provide us, then Belarus, then the CSTO countries, and even then the Chinese can be. But I’m afraid, as if they were technically tightened, they wouldn’t rivet copies.

[Regul]

An interesting trend of articles today. It began with the fact that India is preparing to war with China

India is waiting for a war with China?

continued the purchase by India of our T-50

As the prime minister noted, India will purchase a fighter in large quantities.

and here is the logical move of China.

[Sevastopol]

how would they then use it against us. there, the Tu-22 Georgians shot down with our own rocket.

[443190]

Selling advanced technology abroad is nonsense !!! And even more so to China ... They will successfully copy and improve. There are plenty of examples. And the presence in the country of political will and unlimited financial resources for R&D makes such a deal DANGEROUS for the seller himself. We already have enough problems with them. So why should they be armed beyond measure. You really first arm our army to the teeth. And there maybe we’ll think about selling previous series of weapons ...

[sahha]

The Chinese are in their repertoire: they will buy a "certain" number of Su-35s, fly around them, study them, and then, on the basis of the results obtained, they will improve their fighters, or create their own analogue.

[CBT Pinocchio]

Quote: sahha

"certain" number of Su-35

Yes, they do not want the Su-35, they want the S-400

[svvaulsh]

Yeah. They buy with the aim of copying, at the fortuneteller do not go!

[awg75]

I think that selling such equipment is simply stupid, it’s just an extra trump card from our state. you can’t measure it with money

[Dart weyder]

until they learned how to "photocopy" the S-300 as 1 to 1 - no new weapons !!!!!!!

[Rusal]

su-27 has already been copied and sold
now they want to copy the su-35

Yes, China generally needs to be banned from selling our modern technology

[almost demobil]

What is interesting! For the troops of the Central Military District, and for the Eastern Military District, China is the main alleged enemy, all exercises, the KShT / KShU are carried out with a focus on the PRC (they are usually yellow). And despite this, we are considering the possibility of selling the most promising weapons! !!!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

The jester knows how to understand all this.
On the one hand, by the 2015, the C-500 should be born and stand on the wing of the PAK FA. From this point of view, the sale of C-400 and Su-35 to China looks reasonable - the same drying is, of course, good, but still its avionics (Irbis) and engines (product 117С) are not a breakthrough into the future, but let's say the past brought to the ideal :))) But what the PAK FA is crammed with is yes, this is today. Therefore, it makes sense for 2015 to spend the defense budget for today's day (supplies to PAK FA Air Force) to sell our past so that the Chinese would tear their navel in attempts to copy our yesterday, and develop tomorrow's money for Chinese money :)) ))
But here the quantity of equipment being sold should be clearly linked - it's not worth making a fuss over 10-30 planes. But if we're talking about 120-150 planes or more - then yes, we need to think about it.

[Rusal]

Now I don’t remember what kind of aircraft it was, but in general China ordered more than a hundred of these planes from us, and after receiving several copies I refused to purchase the remaining ones. And then their Chinese copies began to appear ...

[Juga]

"To sell something unnecessary, you must first buy (make) something unnecessary (c)" Prostokvashino ".
How many of these devices are on duty, I think over-saturation has not yet occurred in our troops. And to give what they themselves desperately need, and remembering the previous "shoals" of buyers (refusal of the batch after receiving pilot samples for the sake of "copy-paste") is somehow not smart.
I hope that the situation with prices between municipalities and manufacturers will be resolved, and the latter will be more profitable to fill the domestic market with popular products.

[SAMEDOV SULEYMAN]

Is it worth selling the latest weapons to China at all and what could happen? "Today you can't predict tomorrow morning" - Chinese proverb.

[papss]

I agree, through this system, China wants to significantly increase its capabilities in rocket science - especially in range and accuracy. You need to think carefully. In today's situation, the defense complex is to live off arms sales - UTOPIA. You need to sell only obsolete weapons, at least 35-50%. As for China and its possible war with India (they have long been able to) or Japan or with someone else, then he is already able to.

[Don]

It is not surprising that the Chinese want to get the latest weapons, but in the next 5-10 years they will not shine with no S-400 or Su-35. They have already said about the S-400 that they will only come to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Order for 56 divisions. Su-35S order for 48 aircraft. We will not pull production and milking our aircraft and for export.

[Nbus]

China is a dubious partner!

[vovan100]

S-300 Chinese, NOT ABOVE !!!

[time112]

The Chinese are cunning guys. Sell ​​us a modern weapon, and we (samples) will quickly "distort" them, pass them off as our own and start churning out.

[DEfindER]

Of course, our defense industry needs money, and it is necessary to sell equipment, otherwise the defense industry will be bent, our armed forces with all the corruption components will not be able to buy a lot, only for parades .. therefore, we need to come up with some tricks, trimmed versions to sell, so that in case of a conflict ours would have an advantage ..

[Alexasmi]

Although the export version of the S-400 is already ready for production, it would be a big mistake to sell this system for export now. In fact, our currently collapsed industry barely meets the needs of our army, export (taking into account the large profits) will take the lion's share of capacity and will become a higher priority for factories. The state contract will accordingly collapse or the quality for the army will be below the baseboard (military representatives will not help here because they will simply hand over "by weight").

[Per se.]

For one illegal copying of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, selling illegal copies, China should have already returned a lot of money to Russia, not to mention everything else. Why do we fight pirated copies on CD and DVD disks, but do not require the same PRC, which has become a pirate country, to respect copyright? Until this issue is resolved legislatively, we ourselves recognize China's right to copy everything they can. The times of the brutal survival of the military-industrial complex have passed, when it was a joy to sell a few tanks or planes, we need reliable buyers of our military equipment, and, preferably, from the camp of potential allies, and not possible enemies, or competitors in the sale of weapons ripped off from us.

[Valter]

So what if the Chinese didn't make a one-to-one copy of the S-300? China still sells it and makes money on it, and it's clear to everyone who wins and who loses.

[SenyaYa]

You can’t sell anything to the Chinese !!! They copy everything !! They will copy and then they will uncover us with our own weapons !!!!

[suharev-52]

The sale of S-400 and SU-35S should be strictly prohibited. Have we forgotten that China has already prepared 6-lane roads to our borders? We need to develop tactics for destroying large quantities of equipment and people in the border zone in the event of an attack, and not supply modern weapons to a potential enemy. China is potential enemy No. 2 for Russia. No. 1 is the United States, and there is no need to pretend to be Ivanushka the Fool and pretend that no one understands anything. I consider the idea that China is preparing for war with India to be utopian. Both countries are overpopulated, have few natural resources, and have zero living space, while China has 0 kilometers of almost empty land across the river, on which half-empty, crumbling 1000th-century villages are occasionally found. So where will China go? Do you still believe that it will go to India? Why the hell would he need it, if only to reduce the excess population living in China. Most likely, this cannon fodder will be used to capture new living space and natural resources for Great China.

[Ivan35]

As a citizen of Kazakhstan, I am opposed to the army opposing us having armament which is not yet ours
Deliveries to China only after they saturate the Russian army - then the Belarusian and Kazakhstani ones - and then we still need to look (whatever China is still an "ally", but we must admit the truth - it remains a potential threat to Kazakhstan)

[matvey.z]

Right.
Foolishness if they supply China, to the full saturation of their own.

[matvey.z]

...
If this happens: "the Kalabukhov house is gone."
Let them buy the S-300, the clone has already been made anyway.

[FiremanRS]

I agree with those who talk about the initial armament of our aircraft. First, arm, then when the amers will be ready to appear something like that can be sold. there’s no better one, and analogues that will be able to appear all one will be raw and expensive ...

[Gavril]

If ours SALES S-400 and Su-35 to China, it means that we have traitors sitting upstairs, I hope that ours will be sent to hell!