US Department of Defense chose active protection systems for tanks and armored personnel carriers

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American armored vehicles can better defend themselves against anti-tank missiles and grenades. US Department of Defense Selects Active Defense Systems for tanks and armored personnel carriers, transfers "Warspot" with reference to the businessinsider.com portal

Manufacturers of active defense systems were able to convince the US military command of the need to improve the protection of army armored vehicles. After several years of testing, American tanks and other armored combat vehicles will receive advanced technology to intercept missiles and grenades.




Infographics showing the distance to the ammunition necessary for active protection systems to work successfully


The Iron Curtain systems developed by Artis, a US corporation, will be installed on the Stryker armored personnel carriers. Abrams tanks will be equipped with Israeli Trophy systems, and Bradley infantry fighting vehicles with Iron Fist systems from Israel Military Industries.

US Department of Defense chose active protection systems for tanks and armored personnel carriers

An example of equipping a Trophy LV with an Oshkosh M-ATV armored car


Two divisions of the American army - Tank Automotive Research and Development & Engineering Center - are now working closely with armored vehicle manufacturers to integrate active protection systems into ready-made armored vehicles with minimum investment and maximum efficiency. In addition, the US military is considering installing one of these systems on JLTV military off-road vehicles. At the same time, the military department indicates that after trial operation, it will be necessary to slightly change military tactics and retrain the soldiers, since an explosion when intercepting ammunition can hit the infantry walking next to armored vehicles. In addition, new instructions will be issued to the crews of armored vehicles.


Trophy systems are standard for Israeli tanks Merkava MK4M


The first systems of active protection of tanks were developed in 1950 – 60-ies in the USSR at the Central Design Bureau No. 14 (Tula). The first system was called "Thrush" and was installed in the 1983 year on the T-55A tank, after which it was renamed T55-AD.

The Israeli Trophy system was developed in 2005 year to detect and destroy RPG missiles and shells fired at the tank. The system is equipped with a special radar station and a computer that determines the class and trajectory of the enemy ammunition. If an anti-tank grenade or a rocket threatens a tank, the system releases small charges to the side, which undermine it on approach. In addition, the system is able to determine the location from which the ammunition was fired. The Trophy system is available in several versions; in addition, in October 2015, the company RADS presented its “lightweight” version of Trophy LV.

The Iron Fist system was developed by IMI in 2006 year to protect the heavy Namer infantry fighting vehicles that are in service with the IDF. Given the modularity and relative ease of installation (the system is mounted without making changes to the design of the combat vehicle), it began to be used on other types of armored vehicles.

The Iron Curtain system began being developed in 2005 by the joint efforts of Artis and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). This system was initially tested on HMMWV armored vehicles, which the Iron Curtain successfully defended against an RPG-7 shot.
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  1. +19
    10 June 2017 14: 56
    The best active defense system is to keep specified armored vehicles on the continental US
    1. +6
      10 June 2017 14: 58
      Quote: aKtoR
      The best active defense system is to keep specified armored vehicles on the continental US

      I'm afraid that it was not created for this. Very bad news. As if the mattresses had not completely lost their fear.
      1. +4
        10 June 2017 15: 23
        The news is normal. This work is only in the interests of the US military, in case of mass conflict - it is useless money spent. Unless, of course, do not hand them to the EU)))
      2. +1
        10 June 2017 15: 24
        Quote: Pirogov
        I'm afraid that it was not created for this. Very bad news. As if the mattresses had not completely lost their fear.

        Yes, let them lose, otherwise they are fearless only in Hollywood. In fact, KAZ is not a panacea; Hezbollah is quite successfully fighting the Merkavas. The counteraction tactics just change - KAZ is overloaded with attacking targets, sensors are being impacted, again no one has canceled EMR.
        1. +13
          10 June 2017 15: 41
          Quote: avdkrd
          In fact, KAZ is not a panacea; Hezbollah is quite successfully fighting the Merkavas.

          Yah? When Hezbollah tried to "successfully fight" with the Merkavas, the tanks were without KAZ. Hamas also tried to “successfully fight” with Merkava. the result of 15 successful operations of KAAZ and the absence of losses among armored vehicles.
          1. 0
            11 June 2017 00: 08
            Quote: professor
            Tales of Uncle SAM, or rather Izi! The means breaking through KAZ, the same RPG "Hook" have already been developed and are in service!

            Tales of Uncle SAM, or rather Izi! The means breaking through KAZ, the same RPG "Hook" have already been developed and are in service! tongue
          2. +1
            11 June 2017 00: 09
            Quote: professor
            Quote: avdkrd
            In fact, KAZ is not a panacea; Hezbollah is quite successfully fighting the Merkavas.

            Yah? When Hezbollah tried to "successfully fight" with the Merkavas, the tanks were without KAZ. Hamas also tried to “successfully fight” with Merkava. the result of 15 successful operations of KAAZ and the absence of losses among armored vehicles.

            Tales of Uncle SAM, or rather Izi! The means breaking through KAZ, the same RPG "Hook" have already been developed and are in service! tongue
          3. +3
            11 June 2017 06: 18
            well, leap up, okay, merkava is the best! Another F-35 must be purchased, and then the Palestinians will generally be a pleasure to drive!
        2. +11
          10 June 2017 15: 57
          Quote: avdkrd
          Hezbollah quite successfully fights with the Merkavas

          In 2006 Israeli armored vehicles were not yet equipped with the Trophy system, so hezbollists did not encounter it.
      3. +4
        10 June 2017 15: 38
        Quote: Pirogov
        Quote: aKtoR
        The best active defense system is to keep specified armored vehicles on the continental US

        I'm afraid that it was not created for this. Very bad news. As if the mattresses had not completely lost their fear.


        You make me laugh .. you might think so before that for a minute they were full of courage ... wassat these are all marketing moves .. for the buyer ...

        quote .... At the same time, the military department indicates that after trial operation it will be necessary to slightly change military tactics and retrain the soldiers, since an explosion when intercepting ammunition can hit the infantry, going next to the armored vehicles. In addition, new instructions will be issued to the crews of the armored vehicles. why am I lost ... do they have infantry running ahead of tanks? or now the infantry will not be around at all
        1. +3
          10 June 2017 19: 34
          But I still do not understand this thesis because an explosion when intercepting ammunition can hit infantry marching near armored vehicles, forgive me what will happen to this infantry in the absence of a KAZ or its operation? Doesn't their ATGM explosion "splash"? Anyway, after the destruction of the tank, the "surviving" infantry could easily be finished off with a second ATGM only already high-explosive !! good
      4. +3
        11 June 2017 07: 46
        Congratulations to the Israeli companies Rafael and IMI. Great success of the Israeli defense industry.
    2. +5
      10 June 2017 15: 03
      This applies to all who send troops outside their own territories.
    3. +6
      10 June 2017 15: 19
      There is no reception against scrap ...


      if there is no other shahid truck
  2. +4
    10 June 2017 15: 00
    In general. For the future, it is necessary to put mirrors from lasers. And some kind of pimpochka somewhere to attach. So that any figovina, included in the hook, could poke into the ravine closest to normal tanks. A figovina, like Iron curtain just sell it to the bearded. With hooks on mines. Maybe it’s flying. Like today, state policy. Although, it is doubtfully strong.
  3. +6
    10 June 2017 15: 10
    And everyone noticed that the "Chrysanthemum" can shoot a DUAL with a small temporary gap for ONE GOAL. I think this is just to overcome the active defense. It is unlikely that this defense has a rate of fire such as to fire every tenth of a second (like Kalash!).
    1. +10
      10 June 2017 15: 30
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And everyone noticed that the "Chrysanthemum" can shoot a DUAL with a small temporary gap for ONE GOAL. I think this is just to overcome the active defense. It is unlikely that this defense has a rate of fire such as to fire every tenth of a second (like Kalash!).

      As far as I know (if not cheated wink ) Trophy MKNUMX already took a similar doublet. In general, I congratulate our military-industrial complex on serious success.
      1. +8
        10 June 2017 15: 35
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In general, I congratulate our military-industrial complex on serious success.

        this is not just serious, but a huge success. Putting protection on the equipment of the most powerful army in the world is a huge breakthrough, and other countries will follow.
        1. +4
          10 June 2017 15: 52
          the most powerful army in the worldIs this about us? I’m not sure a little. I’ll explain. There is the power of the Army, but there are its fighters. Plus-denyushka is not bad there. Not having 11 aircraft carriers and almost a hundred like B-52s. Not having the same T-50. Or like him will they call it? Veras. Don't be too rimmed! hi Not everything is as good as it seems.
          1. +5
            10 June 2017 16: 06
            Quote: VERESK
            the most powerful army in the world. Is that about us?

            No, I'm talking about the USA.
            Quote: VERESK
            I’m not so sure. I’ll explain. There is the power of the Army, but there are its soldiers.

            and there is also Technics, Logistics, Economics, an extensive network of bases, countries allies or satellites, and many other factors where the army is powerful. And at the moment only the United States possesses all these criteria.
        2. +5
          10 June 2017 16: 27
          Quote: Yeraz

          this is not just serious, but a huge success. Putting protection on the equipment of the most powerful army in the world is a huge breakthrough, and other countries will follow.

          The Dutch ordered earlier.

          1. 0
            10 June 2017 17: 39
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            The Dutch ordered earlier.

            but still equip the US Army and the Army of Holland from different weight categories, as well as further pulling up others as a result of this. And the US Army is fighting, more intensively.
            If I am not mistaken, Hamas and Hezbollah have not yet come into conflict with equipment equipped with this system.
            1. +3
              11 June 2017 07: 59
              Quote: Yeraz
              If I am not mistaken, Hamas and Hezbollah have not yet come into conflict with equipment equipped with this system.

              You are mistaken. During the clashes with Hamas, 15 of successful interceptions of KAZ was recorded. There were no losses of armored vehicles.
              1. +2
                11 June 2017 13: 21
                Quote: professor
                You are mistaken. During the clashes with Hamas, 15 of successful interceptions of KAZ was recorded. There were no losses of armored vehicles.

                Well, so great. Real combat use.
      2. +5
        10 June 2017 15: 55
        I congratulate our military-industrial complex on serious success.There would be "success", there would be results. Everything is not as good as being drawn. So somehow.
        1. +2
          10 June 2017 16: 49
          Quote: VERESK
          I congratulate our military-industrial complex on serious success.There would be "success", there would be results. Everything is not as good as being drawn. So somehow.

          Well, maybe you're right. So far this is a statement of intent. Let's wait for the contract.
      3. +3
        10 June 2017 15: 59
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        As far as I know (if not deceived), Trophy Mk2 already took a similar doublet. In general, I congratulate our military-industrial complex on serious success.


        and cross doublet?
        1. +9
          10 June 2017 16: 16
          Quote: vorobey

          and cross doublet?

          Impossible equipment does not exist.
          1. +3
            10 June 2017 16: 49
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: vorobey

            and cross doublet?

            Impossible equipment does not exist.


            I agree .. and the antidote is selected ... I just don’t understand .. such a futuristic body kit in the picture .... how will he keep the shock wave ..
            1. +3
              10 June 2017 16: 55
              Quote: vorobey

              I agree .. and the antidote is selected ... I just don’t understand .. such a futuristic body kit in the picture .... how will he keep the shock wave ..

              Everything depends on the price, during the selection, and so on. As for the second question, I don’t know.
      4. 0
        11 June 2017 00: 12
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And everyone noticed that the "Chrysanthemum" can shoot a DUAL with a small temporary gap for ONE GOAL. I think this is just to overcome the active defense. It is unlikely that this defense has a rate of fire such as to fire every tenth of a second (like Kalash!).

        As far as I know (if not cheated wink ) Trophy MKNUMX already took a similar doublet. In general, I congratulate our military-industrial complex on serious success.

        And the RPG "Hook" can withstand ??? Asya, you need to throw friends for a test, like ours! wassat
      5. 0
        11 June 2017 00: 13
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And everyone noticed that the "Chrysanthemum" can shoot a DUAL with a small temporary gap for ONE GOAL. I think this is just to overcome the active defense. It is unlikely that this defense has a rate of fire such as to fire every tenth of a second (like Kalash!).

        As far as I know (if not cheated wink ) Trophy MKNUMX already took a similar doublet. In general, I congratulate our military-industrial complex on serious success.

        In, the storyteller, where did she see the "Chrysanthemum" ???
        1. +2
          11 June 2017 05: 50
          Quote: neri73-r

          In, the storyteller, where did she see the "Chrysanthemum" ???

          From Libya vistimo.
    2. 0
      10 June 2017 15: 31
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It is unlikely that this defense has a rate of fire such as to fire every tenth of a second ...

      I support this opinion ... I suspect that this system will not work at a speed of ammunition (rocket) equal to the speed of an artillery shell or slightly higher. It is designed for ATGM, whose speed is 70-100 km / h ...
      1. +3
        10 June 2017 16: 42
        70-100 km per hour gives Lada. and shots for ptrk or grenade launchers fly at almost the speed of sound
        1. +4
          10 June 2017 16: 51
          Quote: jonhr
          and shots for ptrk or grenade launchers fly at almost the speed of sound


          What are you ... and you don’t want the speed of the same Lada?
          1. +2
            10 June 2017 16: 54
            normal just is 70-100. and then the Lada begins to fall apart rapidly on the go. in principle, it is difficult to expect speed from a car of 60 years.
            I am amused by people like you who confuse their subcompacts with premium cars and with an enviable regularity repairing either the engine or transmission laughing
            1. +4
              10 June 2017 17: 03
              It is designed for ATGM, whose speed is 70-100 km / h ...


              Quote: jonhr
              70-100 km per hour gives Lada. and shots for ptrk or grenade launchers fly at almost the speed of sound

              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: jonhr
              and shots for ptrk or grenade launchers fly at almost the speed of sound

              What are you ... and you don’t want the speed of the same Lada?

              Quote: jonhr
              normal just is 70-100. and then the Lada begins to fall apart rapidly on the go. in principle, it is difficult to expect speed from a car of 60 years.
              I am amused by people like you who confuse their subcompacts with premium cars and with an enviable regularity repairing either the engine or transmission laughing


              not .. well, I'm really delighted with the conversation ... lol
              1. +2
                10 June 2017 17: 05
                so I understand your delight. it’s very difficult to explain to a person that he is who he is. it’s hard for me to explain to you good
                1. +4
                  10 June 2017 17: 34
                  Quote: jonhr
                  so I understand your delight. it’s very difficult to explain to a person that he is who he is. it’s hard for me to explain to you good


                  if you are so smart then sometimes it’s better to be silent ... you will seem longer

                  Quote: jonhr
                  70-100 km per hour gives Lada. and shots for ptrk or grenade launchers fly at almost the speed of sound


                  give an example of how fast the shots for grenade launchers and anti-tank missiles fly

                  well .. confirm your stupidity .. and the highest one of hu .. laughing
                  1. +1
                    10 June 2017 17: 38
                    sound speed 300 m per second. for example, the TOU speed is 278 m per second.
                    Well, if you think your missiles fly at the speed of a Lada. I can only congratulate you laughing
                    1. +3
                      10 June 2017 17: 51
                      Quote: jonhr
                      sound speed 300 m per second. for example, the TOU speed is 278 m per second.
                      Well, if you think your missiles fly at the speed of a Lada. I can only congratulate you laughing


                      at which grenade launcher the speed you say is close to 300 meters ..
                      Quote: jonhr
                      70-100 km per hour gives Lada. and shots for ptrk or grenade launchers fly at almost the speed of sound
                      1. +1
                        10 June 2017 18: 19
                        Carl Gustav than a grenade launcher? laughing
                        speed varies from 240 to 300 m per second
      2. +3
        10 June 2017 17: 00
        Quote: yuriy55
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        It is unlikely that this defense has a rate of fire such as to fire every tenth of a second ...

        I support this opinion ... I suspect that this system will not work at a speed of ammunition (rocket) equal to the speed of an artillery shell or slightly higher. It is designed for ATGM, whose speed is 70-100 km / h ...

        The “Cornet” is higher, and the “Trophy” took it. As far as I know, the shell is still too tough for them, but given the saturation of the anti-tank missile systems, this is not less, but maybe a greater threat to armored vehicles than shells.
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        2. +1
          10 June 2017 20: 23
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The “Cornet” is higher, and the “Trophy” took it.

          it doesn’t mean at all what it will take)))), the people here have confused the terms, there is the velocity of the projectile, the trajectory and frequency of the impact at one point, I wrote a little bit on this topic here
          http://poquello.ru/fighthealth/armament/tank-vs-a
          ntitank-today /
          , for modern technology this protection is not for long, it is enough to work with the trajectory, or to shut down the locators corny.
      3. +1
        10 June 2017 20: 43
        Quote: yuriy55
        It is designed for ATGM, whose speed is 70-100 km / h ...

        laughing
        The speed of the slowest ATGM starts at 600km \ h. (160m \ s)
    3. +2
      10 June 2017 20: 33
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And everyone noticed that the "Chrysanthemum" can shoot a double

      The rate of combat vehicle to 4 missiles / minute. Missiles are launched from the spot consistently. (That is, one per shot)
      http://www.kbm.ru/ru/production/ptrk/35.html
  4. +1
    10 June 2017 15: 40

    Well and how this Trophy active protection system will protect against 23-2 memory
    1. +16
      10 June 2017 15: 51
      Quote: APASUS
      Well and how this Trophy active protection system will protect against 23-2 memory

      Interestingly, how is the 23-2 memory protected from a tank shell?
      1. +1
        10 June 2017 17: 43
        Quote: professor
        Interestingly, how is the 23-2 memory protected from a tank shell?

        What kind of children's comparisons?
        You’re kind of an adult, I just showed you a possible weak point of the Trophy active protection system, and you still give an air battle, give an example against the ZU-23-2
        1. +7
          10 June 2017 17: 47
          Professor brought the correct analogy. but you showed the classics. goodbye homeland called laughing
          1. +2
            10 June 2017 17: 59
            Quote: jonhr
            Professor brought the correct analogy. but you showed the classics. goodbye homeland called laughing

            Yes, does the professor have a whole kindergarten in support?
            Give an example of nuclear weapons, ZU23-2 just can not stand
            1. +4
              10 June 2017 18: 58
              Well, it’s you who are going to shoot at the tank from ZUShka, not me. do you feel the difference? laughing
              What do you think the tank will answer? laughing
              although in principle I doubt that ZUShka will withstand even a full-time tank machine gun
              1. +1
                10 June 2017 20: 06
                Quote: jonhr
                Well, it’s you who are going to shoot at the tank from ZUShka, not me. do you feel the difference?

                Are you also blind?
                Specially copied for you a picture from the beginning of the question
                And now I repeat the question specifically for you with the professor:
                So how does this Trophy active protection system protect against 23-2 memory?
                There is no tank in the picture, I repeat for you on purpose!
                1. 0
                  10 June 2017 20: 09
                  especially for you. this is not a tank, but not a trophy in the picture laughing
                  By the way, your first picture does not open for me
                  and KAZs do not protect against small arms and small-caliber artillery, as well as from BOPS.
                  1. +1
                    10 June 2017 20: 12
                    Quote: jonhr
                    especially for you. this is not a tank, but not a trophy in the picture laughing

                    Are you also a comedian? I hope you can translate the text under the picture
                    Rafael Advanced Defense Systems is exploring fitting the Trophy Active Protection System (APS) on tactical ground vehicles, something the US Army might desire for future tactical vehicles. Rafael Advanced Defense Systems photo
                    1. +1
                      10 June 2017 20: 18
                      I just don’t tear myself away from the subject and discuss the material from the article.
                      I’m saying that your image doesn’t open, so I couldn’t read anything. just read it now.
                      and the article does not say that Americans will put trophies on light vehicles. another system appears there. I wrote the rest to you above.

                      but what you start looking for that clings only to go right characterizes you as a person. you look like one comrade from a branch who proved to me that the speed of shots of rocket launchers and grenade launchers is 70-100 km per hour. showed him the speed of the rockets and see already silent
                      1. +1
                        10 June 2017 20: 28
                        Quote: jonhr
                        but what you begin to look for, that only hooks to go right characterizes you as a person.

                        I'm just trying to say that the Trophy active protection system has a number of drawbacks and the guarantee for 100% destruction is fiction. They will use sub-caliber shells, tandem charges like RPG-30 "Hook", false targets
        2. +3
          10 June 2017 20: 52
          Quote: APASUS
          What kind of children's comparisons?

          Kindergarten you started.

          Quote: APASUS
          You’re kind of an adult, I just showed you a possible weak point of the Trophy active protection system, and you still give an air battle, give an example against the ZU-23-2

          The weak point of KAZ is not where you showed it. I would like to see these suicide bombers who decided to fire tanks from anti-aircraft guns. lol

          Quote: APASUS
          And now I repeat the question specifically for you with the professor:
          So how does this Trophy active protection system protect against 23-2 memory?
          There is no tank in the picture, I repeat for you on purpose!

          But should KAZ protect an SUV from a heavy machine gun? This is to see a new direction in technology that I missed.

          Quote: APASUS
          Rafael Advanced Defense Systems is exploring fitting the Trophy Active Protection System (APS) on tactical ground vehicles, something the US Army might desire for future tactical vehicles. Rafael Advanced Defense Systems photo

          Well? Rafael promises to protect technology from anti-aircraft guns?

          Quote: APASUS
          I'm just trying to say that the Trophy active protection system has a number of drawbacks and the guarantee for 100% destruction is fiction. They will use sub-caliber shells, tandem charges like RPG-30 "Hook", false targets

          About 100% and nobody speaks. Why do you come up with this?
          KAZ sub-caliber shells should not seem to be intercepted, but let them use "tandem charges like RPG-30" Hook ", false targets". I wish them good luck. wassat
        3. 0
          11 June 2017 08: 12
          I will correct: from a tank HE projectile, which does not need to hit exactly on target.
      2. 0
        12 June 2017 03: 48
        Active runaway system
  5. +2
    10 June 2017 15: 41
    A single maneuvering tank, or other entity, at the firing range is one thing, and a tank platoon and a salvo from it from different destruction systems are not the same! Brains need a lot .....
  6. +5
    10 June 2017 15: 45
    The first active tank protection systems were developed in the 1950 – 60 years in the USSR at the Central Design Bureau No. 14 (Tula).

    lol
    1. +3
      10 June 2017 17: 16
      the professor doesn't know a damn thing, but laughs arrogantly.



      http://www.niistali.ru/upload/iblock/804/МЫЛЬНЫЕ ПУЗЫРИ Комплекса Активной Защиты Заслон.pdf
      1. +3
        10 June 2017 20: 58
        Do you want to show pictures of American tanks equipped with KAZ before the pictures appear in your article? By the way, 2 from 6 sources in the article is a Military Review. Burey. wink
        1. 0
          11 June 2017 08: 13
          Maybe he meant that they were installed in series? I saw such children ...
  7. 0
    10 June 2017 15: 55
    The United States has chosen active protection systems for tanks and armored personnel carriers

    Finally we decided. Indeed, our developers of tank destruction systems and armored vehicles will now be more clear on what to focus on when creating systems for overcoming the active defense complex.
  8. +1
    10 June 2017 16: 08
    Well, here you can congratulate the American Gerossos. Now the Abrash is equal in protection to armature, ravings with Kurgan (not yet born), and a striker with a boomerang (the same is still deceased). And we will have full parity in armored vehicles. Only the bourgeoisie will not have to cut a new three tank-bmp-btr for this. They are upgrading old ones.
    1. +3
      10 June 2017 16: 46
      Now the abrash is equal in protection to armature, ravings with Kurgan (not yet born), and a striker with a boomerang (the same is still deceased)

      You write garbage. Our “Afghanit” is an order of magnitude, or even two, a cut above the head of all sorts of Israeli “Trophy” and other Murrian crafts.
      1. +4
        10 June 2017 19: 03
        Quote: Fei_Wong

        You write garbage. Our “Afghanit” is an order of magnitude, or even two, a cut above the head of all sorts of Israeli “Trophy” and other Murrian crafts.

        Maybe, but Trophy went, unlike him, a run-in in battle.
        1. +1
          10 June 2017 20: 25
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Fei_Wong

          You write garbage. Our “Afghanit” is an order of magnitude, or even two, a cut above the head of all sorts of Israeli “Trophy” and other Murrian crafts.

          Maybe, but Trophy went, unlike him, a run-in in battle.

          Oh yeah! shocked popouces
      2. +4
        10 June 2017 21: 02
        Quote: Fei_Wong
        You write garbage. Our “Afghanit” is an order of magnitude, or even two, a cut above the head of all sorts of Israeli “Trophy” and other Murrian crafts.

        On 1000! wassat Uryayayayaya! wassat
      3. 0
        10 June 2017 22: 02
        and who checked? who compared? in practice, it is residential, not theory ...
      4. 0
        10 June 2017 23: 10
        Our Afghanit remained on paper, since it is a system in which the impact core was used, on T 14, T 15, Kurganets and Boomerang there is nothing similar and close.
      5. +2
        11 June 2017 08: 17
        [quote = Fei_Wong] [quote]
        You write garbage. Our "Afghanit" is an order of magnitude, or even two, a cut above the head of all sorts of Israeli "Trophy", and other Murrian crafts. [/ Quote]

        You with such statements are more likely here http://bmpd.livejournal.com/. There you will find a more grateful audience lol
  9. 0
    10 June 2017 16: 24
    Quote: Yeraz
    and there is also Technics, Logistics, Economics, an extensive network of bases, countries allies or satellites, and many other factors where the army is powerful. And at the moment only the United States possesses all these criteria.

    ----------------------------
    The more bases, the more logistics, the more smearing of his army around the world. I don’t know where the United States has more and more bases, because some have only the order of the battalion, some tens of thousands. All this requires supply, waste of resources. But the base, but powerful. As for the allies, well, the domestic cat in your house is also like an ally, but there’s no sense in it, you can only kick or feed.
    1. +4
      10 June 2017 16: 31
      Quote: Altona
      As for the allies, well, the domestic cat in your house is also like an ally, but there’s no sense in it, you can only kick or feed.

      Well, what if it's homemade ...? wink
      1. 0
        11 June 2017 00: 48
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Altona
        As for the allies, well, the domestic cat in your house is also like an ally, but there’s no sense in it, you can only kick or feed.

        Well, what if it's homemade ...? wink

        I can’t identify the dog, Jewish Rottweiler? arabic caucasian? Mutton overfed? once I saw a doberman overfed - for two minutes it arrived that it was a Doberman
        1. +3
          11 June 2017 05: 52
          Quote: poquello

          I can’t identify the dog, Jewish Rottweiler? arabic caucasian? Mutton overfed? once I saw a doberman overfed - for two minutes it arrived that it was a Doberman

          Himalayan Mastiff.
          1. 0
            11 June 2017 14: 26
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Himalayan Mastiff.

            super, did not see such
    2. +2
      10 June 2017 17: 46
      Quote: Altona
      All this requires supply, waste of resources.

      yes, which a powerful country can afford. Once again I say this is a huge component. And Russia does not correspond to this. Yes, on the perimeter of the borders Russia will give everyone the teeth. But is Russia capable of waging a war far from the borders with a huge involvement of technology and people for any point of the planet? No. And for the reasons that I have listed.
      Quote: Altona
      As for the allies, well, the domestic cat in your house is also like an ally, but there’s no sense in it, you can only kick or feed.

      Allies are different. Powerful and not obedient, weak, but obedient, etc. But the fact is that the United States is attracted to them to all degrees in all its operations. Even Autsralia has a contingent in Afghanistan.
      And Russia from allies, which can be listed on the fingers of one hand in no operation, even symbolically could not attract anyone. All stood aside.
  10. 0
    10 June 2017 16: 26
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Impossible equipment does not exist.

    ------------------------
    There is practically no protection from the air, and this is the main threat.
    1. +3
      10 June 2017 16: 34
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Impossible equipment does not exist.

      ------------------------
      There is practically no protection from the air, and this is the main threat.

      Well, from aviation ammunition modern KAZ does not happen yet.
  11. 0
    10 June 2017 16: 35
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Well, what if it's homemade ...?

    ---------------------------------
    And who is this, for example? laughing
    1. +3
      10 June 2017 16: 50
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Well, what if it's homemade ...?

      ---------------------------------
      And who is this, for example? laughing

      Kitten, what doesn’t look like? wink
  12. 0
    10 June 2017 16: 50
    There was such a children's illustrated magazine in the Soviet Union - "Funny Pictures" laughing
    1. +1
      10 June 2017 16: 57
      Quote: av58
      There was such a children's illustrated magazine in the Soviet Union - "Funny Pictures" laughing

      A "Murzilka", "Pioneer", "Bonfire" winked . They knew how to educate adolescents. Do not take this away from the USSR.
      1. +1
        10 June 2017 17: 19
        What can not be said about Israel where children can be beaten and teachers
        1. 0
          10 June 2017 18: 08
          So fair. The teacher is like that. I have to expel children from class.
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    1. +2
      10 June 2017 20: 16
      Quote: Arthur Makogonchuk
      Bullshit, you can’t beat off a missile attack, it’s only applicable to convincing the soldiers who control and are in armored vehicles that the guns will not be hit. Bullshit because a rocket that is supposed to bring down a rocket aimed at armored vehicles must be controlled in all directions. It’s hopeless and expensive since 21 missiles the size of ATGMs that have steering engines and your tank turns into an armored coffin. The future war is only guided missiles with steering engines, and universal missiles which will need to be from 10 to twenty thousand units in one direction.


      Nikita Sergeevich also thought about this
      1. +2
        10 June 2017 21: 03
        And I will support the comrade. The tank is atavism and KAZ only postpones the death of this relic.
    2. +2
      10 June 2017 21: 14
      Quote: Arthur Makogonchuk
      Bullshit, you can’t beat off a missile attack, it’s only applicable to convincing soldiers who control and are in armored vehicles that the equipment will not be knocked out ...

      Aha lol


      Quote: Arthur Makogonchuk
      20.0000 twenty thousand ...

      Absolutely byad. lol
  14. +5
    10 June 2017 20: 06
    Yes, this is a grand order. I did not expect, to be honest. I thought the Americans would choose their local producer.
    1. +1
      11 June 2017 00: 37
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Yes, this is a grand order. I did not expect, to be honest. I thought the Americans would choose their local producer.

      they had enough abrams along the way, you look at the carrots
  15. +3
    10 June 2017 20: 14
    jonhr,
    I had to admit was wrong ...
    1. +2
      10 June 2017 21: 53
      I knew it laughing
      okay we will survive people without pride laughing
  16. 0
    10 June 2017 20: 31
    APASUS,
    By the way, did you notice that this applies to Armast and Kurgan?
    1. 0
      10 June 2017 20: 58
      I noticed that it’s still impossible to say anything really about our KAZ Afganit. If the Trophy active protection system has been used since the beginning of 2000, then KAZ Afganit is a revision of KAZ Arena and KAZ Drozd (set 1030M-01), we’ll see what happens with what they eat it with.
      1. 0
        10 June 2017 23: 15
        Afghanit remained on paper.
  17. 0
    10 June 2017 21: 58
    Israeli development ads? But how they are in combat conditions is a military secret, otherwise no one will buy it.
    1. +1
      10 June 2017 22: 24
      Quote: Aviator_
      Israeli development ads? But how they are in combat conditions is a military secret, otherwise no one will buy it.

      And most on the Internet to look for a bummer?
      1. +2
        10 June 2017 22: 41
        "And how they are in combat conditions is a military secret, otherwise no one will buy." ////

        On the contrary. Israeli developments buy (and pay a lot of cash for them) precisely because there are proven cases of their successful use in combat conditions.
        1. 0
          11 June 2017 08: 42
          [/ quote] and pay big cash for them [quote]
          laughing
    2. 0
      11 June 2017 08: 38
      that is, you think that they buy only on the basis of advertising?
  18. +1
    11 June 2017 00: 07
    Quote: professor
    Quote: avdkrd
    In fact, KAZ is not a panacea; Hezbollah is quite successfully fighting the Merkavas.

    Yah? When Hezbollah tried to "successfully fight" with the Merkavas, the tanks were without KAZ. Hamas also tried to “successfully fight” with Merkava. the result of 15 successful operations of KAAZ and the absence of losses among armored vehicles.

    Tales of Uncle SAM, or rather Izi! The means breaking through KAZ, the same RPG "Hook" have already been developed and are in service! tongue
  19. 0
    11 June 2017 09: 56
    if you first launch false missiles on the tank like fireworks and then shoot the RPG to the tank, the scribe will
  20. +1
    11 June 2017 14: 19
    jonhr,
    Carl Gustav is a very good thing. they can be shot even indoors, which you can’t do for example with RPG-7. from the basement there, or from a small room ... and Gustav, in addition to cumulative high-explosive and high-explosive ones, also “eats”, but he is noticeably weaker than RPG-7. on penetration. but nevertheless a good ambush on the tank and ... guaranteed to burn it. not necessarily in the city ... even in the mountains or in the forest.
  21. +1
    11 June 2017 23: 20
    SAZ Trophy has a weak spot - only two launchers of counter-ammunition are installed on the tank, the protection zones of which do not overlap.

    Therefore, in the case of a salvo launch on a tank from one angle of two RPGs or ATGMs at once, the SAZ launcher knocks down only one of the two attacking ammunition and does not have time to restart, as the second attacking ammunition enters the tank.

    In the same way, the Russian RPG Hook, firing two rocket-propelled grenades with a short time interval, is guaranteed to overcome the Israeli Trophy.

    "Trophy" is outdated for combined arms combat, not having time to crawl out of the diaper laughing
  22. 0
    12 June 2017 04: 26
    Just a new milestone in the confrontation between armor and shell!
    We are waiting for the continuation of the reverse answers - about RPG-30 and firing of ATGM doublet have already been mentioned. Next in line are radar interference, false targets, a remote strike core, and a lot more.
    So I don’t share the Jewish enthusiasm about the Trophy - all the more so in the dubbing of our own media in a competition with overt junk launched by semi-literate turns.
  23. 0
    18 January 2019 17: 20
    Quote: professor
    The tank is atavism and KAZ only postpones the death of this relic.

    I understand how you think, but you're wrong about Tanks. They will be in service for a very long time because I have ideas for their development.

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