Techmash: New ammunition for the Coalition-SV self-propelled howitzer will appear in 2-3 years

Ammunition of the new class, including for the promising self-propelled howitzer "Coalition-SV", will appear in Russia over the next two to three years, the press service of the enterprise-developer of data shots of the Tekhmash concern told reporters on Thursday, RIA News

"Tehmash" implements a program to create a new ammunition for a promising self-propelled artillery "Coalition-SV". Ammunition contains several fundamentally new technical solutions. In a few years, it can become almost standard for all ammunition manufacturers abroad.

- the company’s CEO Sergey Rusakov is quoted in the message.

In turn, the first deputy general director of Tekhmash, Vladimir Tikhonov, expressed the hope that the program for the creation of new ammunition, including artillery and for the Coalition-SV, will be implemented in the coming 2-3 of the year.

The 2C35 Coalition-SV self-propelled howitzer is designed to destroy command posts, communications centers, artillery and mortar batteries, and armored vehicles, including tanks, anti-tank weapons, air defense and missile defense systems, as well as manpower of a potential enemy.

The basis of the firepower SAU 2C35 "Coalition-SV" - this gun 2А88 caliber 152 millimeter with a firing speed of more than 10 rounds per minute, which is higher than the speed of other artillery systems. Such indicators were achieved thanks to the design of the mechanisms for loading guns. In addition, the set of weapons "Coalition" includes a remote-controlled installation with a machine gun "Kord".
The selection of the target and the guidance of the instrument can be carried out using a special automated control system, which is equipped with ACS. For shooting from the "Coalition" can be used guided projectiles. The correction of the flight path is carried out using the GLONASS navigation system. High-explosive fragmentation projectiles can also be used.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

And when we see the Armata caterpillar trolley for the Coalition, will it be interesting on the basis of the T-14 or T-15? And when will the wheeled version?

[Приговор]

Definitely on the T-14. The scheme with an armored capsule for the crew in the Coalition will certainly be implemented.

[Zaurbek]

A more convenient T-15 ...

[Armata]

Quote: Sentence

Definitely on the T-14

And is there somewhere besides the plant and the parade?

Quote: Sentence

The scheme with an armored capsule for the crew in the Coalition will definitely be implemented

When? Dates indicate. Given that Armata has not yet been represented at the GI, this is a natural question. Where did you get such information about the installation of 2С35 on the Armata platform? And so T14 is a designation for MBT, not a platform

[Zaurbek]

So it was originally planned to make a single armata platform for a tank, BMP, brmd and howitzer ... the T-90 chassis does not pull a heavier turret and gun. Have you seen her ride and swing at the parade?

[Armata]

Quote: Zaurbek

So it was originally planned to make a single armata platform for a tank, BMP, brmd and howitzer ... the T-90 chassis does not pull a heavier turret and gun. Have you seen her ride and swing at the parade?

Let's delve into the history of the creation of 2С35. Initially, this self-propelled guns was developed according to the classical scheme in our own (then research institute) on its own platform without an armored capsule (the reason for refusing the crew capsule armor is simple, the self-propelled guns are not involved in a direct combat collision, this vehicle supports MBT, infantry, etc. inaccessible distances of a direct attack of the enemy, or under tight protection). This self-propelled gun was originally conceived on a pair of 2 2A64 guns with a new automatic loader and thanks to this an accelerated rate of fire. Then 9 threw the new 2A88 gun, which allowed the project to be implemented in a single-barrel version. The chassis was developed by Chelyabinsk citizens and even made 2 pcs for testing. But then came UVZ. They repudiated our design bureau (we all went to another NGO and successfully selected our piece from the wagons), then we decided to put the coalition on the arm (my father did this and cursed, if I was interested then wrote about all these problems) and got what we have. Chelny quite successfully make a wheeled platform for self-propelled guns, but the tracked one is still limping on both legs.

[Zaurbek]

And what chassis did Chelyabinsk residents do? the T-90 chassis is small ... the next in size and the GP - armata.

[Armata]

The chassis was developed at Transmash, transferred for production at ChTZ. The 805 object was made in the amount of 2 pieces, now its place is on the factory alley, in the same place as the compression complex, missile tanks and other experimental equipment.

[Lopatov]

Tank chassis for self-propelled guns does not make sense. Anyway, the tower at the same level cannot be booked, the car will be too heavy.

[Zaurbek]

Reservation on the chassis is not tank, but the carrying capacity and patency of the tank.

[Lopatov]

That is, in fact, it is necessary to do not "self-propelled guns based on" Almaty "/ T-90 / T15 and so on," but a completely new base chassis using the components and assemblies of the tank. Well, or a lighter BMP, as is done in the West ...

[Zaurbek]

On the basis of a light BMP, most likely there will be a light module - Kamaz .... they are not equivalent to the heavy version.

[Armata]

Quote: Spade

about there is actually a need to do not "self-propelled guns based on" Almaty "/ T-90 / T15 and so on and so on," but a completely new base chassis using tank components and assemblies. Well, or a lighter BMP, as is done in the West.

This is what our specialists tried to convey to the command of the GRAU.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Armata

Initially, this self-propelled guns was developed according to the classical scheme in our own (then research institute) on its own platform without an armored capsule (the reason for refusing the crew capsule armor is simple, the self-propelled guns are not involved in a direct combat collision, this vehicle supports MBT, infantry, etc. inaccessible distances of a direct attack of the enemy, or under tight protection)

It’s strange. And in the patent, the drawing was with a rather large “cabin” - an armored capsule ...

[Armata]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Armata

Initially, this self-propelled guns was developed according to the classical scheme in our own (then research institute) on its own platform without an armored capsule (the reason for refusing the crew capsule armor is simple, the self-propelled guns are not involved in a direct combat collision, this vehicle supports MBT, infantry, etc. inaccessible distances of a direct attack of the enemy, or under tight protection)

It’s strange. And in the patent, the drawing was with a rather large “cabin” - an armored capsule ...

To avoid empty arguments, let's introduce a glossary. Under the capsule armor was meant an isolated inhabited compartment, with additional reservation, hidden under the main armor protection of the machine. Here, the patent is presented not for the capsule armor in the current sense, namely in what I described above and which you quoted.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Armata

Here, the patent is presented not for the capsule armor in the current sense, namely in what I described above and which you quoted.

Accepted.

[Armata]

Quote: Zaurbek

And when will the wheeled version?

The wheeled version, based on KAMAZ, was presented even earlier than the tracked one. At the exhibition in Tagil (I don’t remember exactly in the 12 or 13 year), Medvedev walked and watched this model in a closed show. Then our research institute was still under Transmash, and the UVZ was very unhappy that a combat module was put across the master (then the UVZ did not even have a hint of the mechanism of an uninhabited combat module).

[NIKNN]

Quote: Armata

Quote: Zaurbek

And when will the wheeled version?

The wheeled version, based on KAMAZ, was presented even earlier than the tracked one. At the exhibition in Tagil (I don’t remember exactly in the 12 or 13 year), Medvedev walked and watched this model in a closed show. Then our research institute was still under Transmash, and the UVZ was very unhappy that a combat module was put across the master (then the UVZ did not even have a hint of the mechanism of an uninhabited combat module).

It is always interesting to read competent people .... But as I understand it, all other platforms have been eliminated for the sake of a single armata platform ????

[Armata]

Quote: NIKNN

It is always interesting to read competent people .... But as I understand it, all other platforms have been eliminated for the sake of a single armata platform ????

They simply were not allowed even to factory tests. This is happening everywhere now. Corporations such as Kalashnikov, Sukhoi, etc. capture any topic, even if they are not peculiar to them. UHZ is no exception, there managers believe so: “the MBT has a cannon and the self-propelled guns have a cannon, MBTs have caterpillars and self-propelled guns have caterpillars. Your division is one and the same. And if it’s the same why it produces another plant, not ours.” So the Omsk plant was destroyed (more precisely, it was not destroyed, but joined the corporation) Uraltrasmash (instead of self-propelled guns they are trying to do high-tech trams now, just to take up power) And people are shouting cheers to corporations, this is a new stage in the development of production.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Armata

MBT gun and self-propelled guns, MBT on tracks and self-propelled guns on tracks. Your division is one and the same. And if it’s the same thing why it produces another plant, not ours. "

Well, logically .. it is not possible to satisfy all needs with one plant .... What kind of production plan should there be? Or war is waiting for when pasta factories Ammunition will start to produce? ... It is necessary at least to at least decide, and only then "only business .."

[Lopatov]

The thing is that after the war we did not make self-propelled guns on the finished chassis. Only specialized development using units and assemblies of equipment in service. Specificity.
Rather, there was a reverse “movement”, for example, a base created for 2C1 was used for UR-77 sappers, a 2C3 base for a mine layer, and so on.

Therefore, the actions of UVZ can be compared with the fact that, for example, the Kremenchug Automobile Plant would require the transfer of the Kharkov Tractor, which produced MT-LB, to it, since KrAZ units and assemblies were used in this machine

[Zaurbek]

And in your opinion it was good when the armament consisted of 3 tanks at the same time T-64/72/80 ...? Separate chassis on Malka, Msta-S ...

[Armata]

Quote: Zaurbek

And in your opinion it was good when the 3 and the T-64 / 72 / 80 tanks were in service at the same time

Duck 3 tank or 1 MBT and 1 SPG? These are different cars and they need different platforms.

[Zaurbek]

If the self-propelled gun infuriates 50tn, then at least the transmission and engine should be similar ... no armor.

[Armata]

Quote: Zaurbek

If the self-propelled gun infuriates 50tn, then at least the transmission and engine should be similar ... no armor.

The engine should be unified, but the transmission and hodovka is done for different tasks. A simple example is a breakthrough at the leading edge of the MBT above speed (gear ratio), the maneuverability of the MBT should be much higher than self-propelled guns (hodovka features). Well, correctly noticed about the corps, the requirements are also completely different.

[Zaurbek]

Here is an example of the T-90 and Msta-S. The platform is the same, but the booking is different.

[Zaurbek]

or Pinocchio / Sunflower

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zaurbek

Platform is one

??
The 2S19 has a special chassis. Created using components and assemblies T-72 and T-80

[Lopatov]

Quote: Armata

but the transmission and hodovka is done for different tasks. A simple example is a breakthrough at the leading edge of the MBT above speed (gear ratio), the maneuverability of MBT should be much higher than self-propelled guns (hodovka features).

In principle, different loads on the chassis and due to the placement of a heavy "shed" tower.
Therefore, the transmission should be a separate development.

[Armata]

Quote: Spade

in principle, different loads on the chassis and due to the placement of a heavy "shed" tower.
Therefore, the transmission should be a separate development.

It is for the same reason. A heavy combat module when jerking will give an excessive load on the pairs, the result is a torn box. That is why self-propelled gun boxes are made more "lazy." By lowering the gear ratio we reduce the risk of gearbox rupture.

[Zaurbek]

But this is a “modification” of units ... If you put a BO on an armature chassis, it will already be a modified chassis; it will not be the same as a tank one.

[Zaurbek]

Do you know the word unification? And the wheeled version is a trend and at times cheaper.

[RASKAT]

Would make an adjustable shell firing 50-60 km (better of course 100 km ), For most purposes in the same Syria, for example, the departure of an attack aircraft or a bomber is not needed, the shell is enough. And so he shot a couple of times, the task was completed, money was saved.

[Alex777]

Done. It shoots at 70 km. Atomic scientists participated in the development of the projectile.
Everything has been done there at a level that industry has not yet pulled
From this and delay.

[RASKAT]

Well, we will wait, and even for long-range ATGMs (Hephaestus), some kind of delay is obtained.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Alex777

Everything has been done there at a level that industry has not yet pulled
From this and delay.

So the salary at the factories for workers to make 100 thousand, everything will go ... Why do you think we have so many television channels? Work is not dusty, honor, respect and salary ...
Our industry is plundered, destroyed (sold by scrap metal) by Yeltsin’s accomplice. “Komsomol friends” cannot create new in the volumes needed for the country, ”the Lord did not approve. But by itself, and the teal will not jump ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alex777

Done.

??
And I heard that, for cheap correctable work stopped. Of the representatives in caliber 152, only the ancient Soviet "Centimeter"

[yuriy55]

Quote: RASKAT

And so he shot a couple of times, the task was completed, money was saved.

As experience tells me, the “Coalition” was not created in order to release a couple of shells and guess whether they hit or not, “covered” or just “tickled”? The main task is the destruction (guaranteed) of targets in a short period of time, which does not allow the enemy to destroy the installation with return fire due to the rapid change of position of the latter ... There is a rate of 10 rounds / min.
And at one time and the drone can be sent ...
Although we have how? We smoke a meter, two - we give up ...

[okko077]

Yes, that’s not the problem. Problem where to shoot? UAVs are needed that give out the coordinates of the target in real time either to the Combat Information Systems or directly. For this, information exchange channels should be provided and they must be coordinated. The same problem with the tornado. But we don’t have it. There are no systems, no channels, no such UAVs. And you tell tales and invent shells, but why? A parade of morons who not only do not know how, but also do not know, even how to fight in modern conditions using advanced information technologies. Level "0" ... The experience of Syria, the experience of Syria, and he shows us in full ass and we solve the tasks by outdated methods with the help of spotters of fire and, at the same time, we sing odes to our weapons. The weapon is good, but we can’t use it, or rather we use a new weapon with the old target designation methods .....

[okko077]

I also want to add. We manage to apply the new technique in the old way ... Example. All our UAVs with a radius of more than 50 km write information to the carrier, the information from which is debited after landing!? Our reconnaissance Tu-214R finds and determines ground targets, but there are no communication channels and it writes information to carriers, which is removed after landing !? Yes, and with whom to exchange information, we don’t have such systems at all ... All that scouts, such as aircraft and helicopter pilots can yell at the coordinates of the air, being under the enemy’s sight .... While yelling. the bearded ones left ... In a real collision with a real enemy - mountains of corpses, hundreds of lost cars, UAVs, helicopters and airplanes only at the pre-exploration stage ... This is the army, this is a leap forward !!! 41 years in full growth ... Again we will send TU-22m3 for further exploration, as with Georgia ....

[NIKNN]

Calm down .... not all at once ... Syria and Georgia are two generations incompatible with each other (sounds idiotic..but thanks to Georgia) They shot down the Su-22 R in Georgia, by the way ... which was supposed to carry out these tasks. ..other (methodology, tactics .. and much more on the conscience of using this device) .. for the rest, I agree with you, but just calm down .. (everything goes as it should) it’s simply not real right away and that’s all ....

[Zaurbek]

What tasks did the Tu-22 .. Adjustments to the art of fire?

[NIKNN]

What tasks did the Tu-22 .. Adjustments to the art of fire?

Quote: Zaurbek

What tasks did the Tu-22 .. Adjustments to the art of fire?

Do you think that a scout is only capable of adjusting art fire ????
Maybe he opened the control and detection systems, maybe the electronic warfare task was (to cover the Su25 work area ... well, I was not there and I don’t know the task, but all I wrote was everyday Tu22R tasks ...

[Zaurbek]

Shot down in Georgia, by the way, the Su-22 R ... which was supposed to perform these tasks ... the rest (methodology, tactics .. and much more on the conscience of using this device)

and to artillery, how does this relate?

[NIKNN]

Quote: Zaurbek

and to artillery, how does this relate?

Somehow I answered your question:

Zaurbek Yesterday, 20:21 ↑
What tasks did the Tu-22 .. Adjustments to the art of fire?

[okko077]

It doesn’t go anywhere in any way .... I will say more: Uncle Gerasimov accepted the inoperative system of ESU TK "Constellations M". It seems that the target designation functions are provided for, moreover, the Coalition and the Tornado provide the information exchange channels with this system ... But the system does not work, it is created on the old element base and the principles laid down in its operation algorithm do not stand up to criticism .... And the system comes in to the troops, or rather to be considered useless, billions are thrown to the wind, and everyone pretends not to notice ... The system seems to be there, but it doesn’t, it seems to work, but it’s actually useless trash .... If there is a system, why another .... Here we have what kind of state secret, worse than betrayal .... And all the team shit is silent .... Cover up stupidly_head nedo_ umka, there are almost all of them .... We are being prepared again for 41 years .... .

[Zaurbek]

So there are already such UAVs. Thanks to the Jews and GLONNAS.

[voyaka uh]

"Guided missiles can be used for firing from the Coalition. The flight path is adjusted using the GLONASS navigation system." ////

Why are there already such ones? Or "do in the future"?

[corporal]

Quote: voyaka uh

Or "do in the future"?

In the next five five-year plans.

[Zaurbek]

Without shells with GLONNAS shooting at 40-70km does not make sense.

[bk316]

Why? Are there many correction systems?

[Lopatov]

Well, why ... With the right approach, you can shoot at such ranges with cheap ammunition with long-term effectiveness. Modern means of preparing data for shooting allow this.

[Zaurbek]

Further 30 km for any data preparation firing simple shells does not make sense. On the Smerch rocket with a range of 90 km, trajectory correction systems were used ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zaurbek

Further 30 km for any data preparation firing simple shells does not make sense.

When using old methods, this is partly true. Partly because everything depends on the type of goal. For example, shooting to suppress an artillery battery at such ranges was possible, moreover, required

Well, with modern methods ... After all, what is dispersion? These are aiming errors that are impossible or too difficult to remove or reduce ...
But now ... For example, you can accurately measure the deviation of the projectile weight from the table directly at the factory, and write it to the chip on the projectile, followed by the ASUNO when firing. Deviation of the initial speed can be taken into account by placing a Doppler or laser speed meter on each self-propelled guns, the meteo can be taken into account not from the data received from the weather station every 2 hours, but using the weather radar immediately before the shot. the charge temperature is not "average in the hospital" as in the "classic" with one forever flying thermometer, but with a remote IR meter for each charge during interrogation ... Well and so on. All this can now be installed on the guns.
Mechanical shelling alone reduces the dispersion in range - the leading belt will crash into the rifling with the same effort ...

A tiny example: not so long ago, “KMW” offered the “Smart Camp” system, in which the 155 mm guns for their production with uncontrolled shells with a remote fuse were offered by the actuator. They were supposed to hit flying shells, mortar mines and enemy PCs. Can you imagine what level of accuracy of guidance it is really possible to achieve?

Quote: Zaurbek

On the Smerch rocket with a range of 90 km, trajectory correction systems were used ...

Only on the active part of the trajectory, at the very beginning ... At the same time, PCs always lost to ordinary shells exactly.

[Zaurbek]

The issue of balance is the cost between the equipment to account for all additional amendments (and some we cannot take into account) and the cost of a guided projectile ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zaurbek

Cost balance issue between equipment to account for all additional amendments

All of this will definitely bring huge savings.
Firstly, it will reduce tabular consumption over all ranges. Fewer shells, less often their delivery ...
Secondly, as a result of less tabular consumption, less vulnerability of self-propelled guns from counter-battery
Thirdly, the speed and accuracy of infantry support is higher, which will help preserve their life and health.

And all this without dancing around super-expensive guided and adjustable ammunition.

[Zaurbek]

I do not argue, but all that you say will be effective up to a certain range and with its growth, the indicators will fall and the profitability of the adjusted projectile will increase. Moreover, if we take a larger caliber, then the effective fire range is not proportional to the growth of the caliber.

[bk316]

Krasnopol-D

[Zaurbek]

For Krasnopol needs an operator within the line of sight..a for GLONNAS is not needed. They carried out reconnaissance (determined coordinates) and missed a maximum charge of a shell of 152 mm for 60-70 km (from a Malka type gun for 100-110 km) with an accuracy of 2-4 m ...

[NIKNN]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why are there already such ones? Or "do in the future"?

A joke ... Israeli intelligence missed something ... :)
Guidance systems (and you do not seem to be amateurs judging by the comments) there can be many ... and I (though not in the know) hope for guidance systems not attached to GLONAS and DZPIERS .. despepektivnye systems in a global war .....

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voyaka uh

Why are there already such ones?

“There are some ... there is only someone who will give them to them!” ... There was a message about the creation of GPS correction modules in the Russian Federation, “turning” ordinary artillery shells into high-precision (correctable) ... modules are inserted into shells on the place of standard fuses. This is the case with the Americans, but it is claimed that in the Russian Federation they more successfully solved the problem of stable reception of GPS-signal by a rotating projectile.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

First Deputy General Director of Techmash Vladimir Tikhonov expressed hope that the program for the creation of new ammunition, including artillery for the Coalition-SV, will be implemented in the coming 2-3 years.

WILL BE - I get the impression that this is the most used word in today's Russia.

I know - the city will be, I know - the garden is a flower

[ura-banzai]

What they write here is limited combat operations, such as Mattresses fighting with banderlogs or Vatniki with barmales, that is, in comfortable conditions (jeepies, glonas or other navigation systems). And if all the bells and whistles will not work in an adult in a war game. Here we need a fully autonomous COALITION. She arrived, she became attached to the area, found out where to shoot, shot and checked and finished off and left. As it is understood, it is really attached to the terrain without a satellite through its gyrocompass. Intelligence drone falls off, satellite drops out, plane drops out, reconnaissance group they are not kamikaze fall out either. The answer is all ingenious, you just shoot and your reconnaissance projectile on a parachute hovering over the object corrects or highlights the target, then while the scout hangs for a minute, a hundred pounds of TNT to different depths. I am sure that this is how the Coalition was seen and developed, but it was ahead of its time. AUTONOMOUS automated fire control systems may already exist or are being developed it is difficult, but not critical, and most importantly, very, very expensive. But in Russia they print rubles, not bucks, and the budget is much less than the American even for the necessary money back-to-back. So the COALITIONS will shoot old shells and ride parades. And shoot at barmaley only with very clear skies right up to the satellite itself. And the other Colonel Zhdanov or not the Colonel will talk about the military-technological breakthrough of the best SPG COALITION, but we then know the truth and will not tell it to anyone.

[okko077]

Hooray, did you tell everything? And where to shoot a scout, banzaychik? .. Throw out your crappy fiction and use a UAV that works in conjunction with self-propelled guns ... Or rather, you need to use .... And Combat Information Systems use all these intelligence systems and choose the most accurate channel .... The thought disappears in someone’s head ..... you are our genius!

[ura-banzai]

Not only is there no money for new military developments, so think about it yesterday. UAVs are an easy target, so you still have no real-time connection with UAVs.

[ver_]

.. well, the passion is so interesting at the expense of shells then for the Coalition .. VNEU on the submarines has been laughing at the site for 10 years, but things are still there in the past ..