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"Kuz'kina Mother" by Vladimir Putin

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Year 1959. Nikita Khrushchev informs US Vice President Nixon that the USSR has funds at its disposal that will have dire consequences for the United States. And at the same time he applied the phrase, which was then scattered around the world: “We will show you fucking mother!” And Kuz'kin's mother (Soviet hydrogen bomb) then really made not only Richard Nixon and the United States shudder, but the whole world.

Year 2012. Historyas it is known, it has a property of repeating itself in some way. And this kind of repetition of history took place last week in Russian Sarov, where Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin held a so-called round table on national security issues. Speaking about the possible overcoming of the American missile defense system in Europe, Putin uttered a mysterious phrase that Russia has "something" that will sober the Americans and return to the negotiating table. Putin, of course, was not Khrushchev: he didn’t take off the boot, and he didn’t bang on the table (tribune), but the message was quite intelligible, so that Western “partners” would understand that there was no need to wait for “silence of the lambs” from Moscow. Foreign media here began to analyze the words of the candidate for the highest post in the Russian Federation. Or not to analyze, but rather to guess at the tea leaves, what Putin is going to present if he becomes the Russian president again. At the same time, it is precisely the analogy with 1959 to the West that doesn’t give peace, unequivocally. Perhaps, the American special services - Europeans are whispering on the sidelines - profukali that moment when Russia began to create weaponswhich can turn the entire missile defense system into ashes ... Perhaps while the eyes were fixed on Ahmadinejad and Assad, the treacherous Putin in underground bunkers himself was engaged in creating weapons of "universal destruction" ... In general, neither give nor take - the classical hysteria about that Russia just wants to restore global parity.

At the Sarov round table, Putin expressed the view that the United States does not want to engage in active contacts on the development of a solution that suits both parties. Americans perceive Russia's concern, apparently, just like a butcher enters into the position of his victim, continuing to hone the ax. In the past 20 years alone, the West seems to have forgotten that the “victim” that he chose for himself might not want to incline his head to the altar of global hegemony of one global player.

Putin hastened to remind that now the Russian Federation has the means that are able to overcome the American missile defense system without any particular difficulties, therefore finding this system near the Russian borders looks, if not useless, then ineffective. The prime minister also reminded that Russian troops are consistently receiving new weapons systems that are part of a large nuclear shield. In particular, the prime minister also spoke out about the end of all the failures that pursued such Russian weapons as the Bulava.

From the words of Putin, someone could have concluded that a new arms race was starting. Let me, and perhaps this race ever ended in the world. But don't be a arms race, we would still run with a quiver of arrows and a bow at the ready ... This may seem inhuman, but the arms race is one of the engines of human civilization. If you look at most modern technical devices, all of them, one way or another, are connected with the military industry. Either initially they were conceived as a service of military strategy, or later they migrated “to the citizen”. Take at least the same “peaceful atom” that a man learned to use peacefully only after he wiped out a couple of Japanese cities from the ground ... Therefore, all Western accusations of Putin that he again imposes an arms race are meaningless. The arms race is imposed once and for all by no means by the current generation of leaders. Putin only sends a message that if you want to be there, then be so kind as to: “the show goes on.”

Well, tell me, is there a state in the world that would not want to acquire the latest weapon systems? And let this state be de jure three times neutral, all the same, its leaders have no-no and yes there will be wishes to place something on their territory - from the series of the “mother-in-law”, so that others will not have to go to someone else's kitchen garden for master cucumbers ... And if there is a desire, but there is no such possibility, then it remains to accuse Putin of the fact that he, like one of his predecessors, "Mr. Khrushchev", is again trying to intimidate the entire "progressive" world with its top-secret weapons.

Yes, even those who, apart from the rusty Pugach and the clearing towards the NATO positions, have nothing at all in the asset, are trying to threaten us. So why Russia does not declare its vision of the situation.

And you say: spears, arrows, disarmament ...
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  1. domokl
    domokl 27 February 2012 08: 11
    +120
    A tough article, but fair ... Indeed, most of us think so ... We haven’t learned how to speak openly, but it’s necessary .. I support both Putin and the author of the article ... We need to take care not only to protect, but also that there was something to strike ... Blood is not only ours, but also our opponents ... And let them know about it ...
    1. Dmitry T
      Dmitry T 27 February 2012 08: 51
      +60
      The article is especially pleasing against the background of yesterday's congress of the "Volunteer Movement in Support of the Army of the Fleet and the Regiment," as well as Putin's considerations regarding the prohibition of NGOs funded by foreign states.
      But yesterday's congress was something ... Against the background of all those speakers, PERSONALITIES, heroes, designers, generals, engineers, those wonderful people who were present in the hall, our (or Western?) "Pseudo-non-systemists" and opposition movements ( or stagnation?) with their "patriotic" attitude; shtetl hackneyed slogans, they look rather flawed. bully
      1. neodymium
        neodymium 27 February 2012 10: 44
        +80
        "it's worth playing with the Russians either honestly, or not playing at all"
        Bismarck
        1. alexng
          alexng 27 February 2012 10: 53
          +16
          Probably it will no longer be "Kuzkina's mother", but some "Potapych" or "Mikhalych". He stamped his paw and within a radius of 500 km everything fell, without violating the ecology, but only the landscape.
          1. Patriot of Russia
            Patriot of Russia 27 February 2012 20: 44
            -39
            exactly, but "potapych" is "united Russia". no doubt a super weapon! 1/6 of the devastation was done not by children wink
            1. alexng
              alexng 27 February 2012 23: 36
              +5
              Are you glued to United Russia with super glue? And it doesn't matter against or for, the fact that she haunts you, and this is probably already a deviation in the psyche. Here on this forum, besides the idiots trolls, does anyone remember Edra?
            2. lexalex
              lexalex 23 March 2012 23: 56
              0
              Here is a real patriot! And the minus ones are muzzhchins with the wrong sexual orientation! Accustomed to lick and suck!
          2. alex-defensor
            alex-defensor 27 February 2012 23: 27
            +6
            Quote: alexneg
            Probably it will no longer be "Kuzkina's mother", but some "Potapych" or "Mikhalych".


            Yes to hell with him, with the name, the main thing is that if we have him here in Russia "let's move a little", so that "to my other END"there are already a couple of states in the USA"erased" laughing (understood the hint, yes ...) bully
            1. fktrctqxbr
              fktrctqxbr 1 March 2012 19: 24
              +1
              As diplomats say bully bully bully bully bully bully bully bully bully

              We do not fight, but fight for peace.
              After which, you need to create everything anew.
              wassat wassat wassat wassat wassat wassat
        2. irony
          irony 2 March 2012 23: 34
          +8
          And here is another from Herr Bismarck:
          Preventive war against Russia - suicide due to fear of death.
    2. military
      military 27 February 2012 11: 11
      -19
      There is something, but there is more than enough "openness" ... wink
      And "something like that" is just the height of openness ...
      Playing with "muscles" (like working with languages) around missile defense does not count. ABM (like "anti-missile defense") is gigantic MONEY, a potential black super-hole in the Russian budget and Putin is clearly aware of this. Hence all this "pendulum" on the issue of missile defense. The task is extremely simple - to avoid pulling into the next arms race, which the Russian economy has practically no chances to win ... And this is reasonable and right ...
      Well, but from a different angle ... Parallels ...
      Nikita and VVP, "Kuzikina's mother" and "something like that", massive redundancies in the army (armored vehicles for scrap metal, personnel - nah from the beach) and "optimization" with the transition to a "new swoon" ...
      Parallels ... what
      1. подводник
        подводник 27 February 2012 18: 25
        +5
        Whose are you military?
        1. Boris S
          Boris S 28 February 2012 21: 22
          -4
          The question is rhetorical. He’s not a military man, he’s just DEBIL angry
          1. military
            military 3 March 2012 15: 11
            +1
            I will not even minus for your atrophied intelligence ... wink
        2. military
          military 3 March 2012 15: 07
          +4
          interesting question ... and quite indicative ...
          really on this site be sure to be someone..... repeat
          but for you I’ll answer ... who served 25 years in the Armed Forces (USSR-RF) and has not lost his own point of view (it may not always be the only correct one, but still it’s his own ...)
        3. military
          military 3 March 2012 16: 55
          +1
          by the way, and You from which подводникov ...?
          navy or so ... of divers ...
      2. es.d
        es.d 7 March 2012 23: 18
        +2
        military,
        And "something like that" is just the height of openness ...
        Playing with "muscles" (like working with languages) around missile defense does not count. ABM (like "anti-missile defense") is gigantic MONEY, a potential black super-hole in the Russian budget and Putin is clearly aware of this. Hence all this "pendulum" on the issue of missile defense. The task is extremely simple - to avoid being drawn into another arms race, which the Russian economy has practically no chance of winning ... And this is reasonable and correct ...
        Well, but from a different angle ... Parallels ...
        Nikita and VVP, "Kuzikina's mother" and "something like that", massive redundancies in the army (armored vehicles for scrap metal, personnel - nah from the beach) and "optimization" with the transition to a "new swoon" ...
        Parallels ...



        I agree! Yes, I will quote in full.
        People, AU!

        PS With your minuses you expel adequate people from the forum. This is not a rally.
        1. lexalex
          lexalex 24 March 2012 00: 01
          -1
          I am proud that I have for 1000 cons. He asked to remove my acc, but it seems these fagot need mass. Ban me forever! This is a site sucking each other! The military man leave, but do not turn your back on them!
    3. Reddragon
      Reddragon 27 February 2012 13: 02
      +9
      I will say that there is no arms race and is not observed. Why? In recent years, too few models of the new generation have been created. Favorite example: tanks, mainly created before 2000 and are currently only being upgraded. (With the exception of those who finally created their own tank, like Turkey)
      Now about the ABM: the circus has long been reminiscent of (elections). An incomprehensible position: you should panic, you shouldn't panic ... On the news they always talk about the threat of missile defense, but we have leverage! For example, to threaten to cut off the supply routes to Afghanistan through our borders, oil and gas pipes, and finally to put them back at the Iskander borders. I recall the case when the Iskanders were placed next to Poland, so they immediately decided to install a missile defense system there. And one more thing: in the Soviet Union, missiles were created to overcome air defense / missile defense, the most famous representative of the Voevoda missiles.
      So what did the author of the article want to say? The fact that we finally have money to buy weapons and the fact that the West is hysterical about the "Russian threat" again, well, it has always been like that.
      1. recitatorus
        recitatorus 27 February 2012 15: 20
        +21
        The author wanted to say that we have already reached Moscow, and finally the long-awaited time has come to turn to Berlin!
        1. alexng
          alexng 27 February 2012 23: 29
          +11
          Most likely not to Berlin, but to Brussels, but rather to London, this is where a bunch of garbage.
        2. Yars
          Yars 28 February 2012 11: 45
          +8
          there is no longer on Berlin but on Washington it is necessary to go !!! Through Berlin !!!
          1. Boris S
            Boris S 28 February 2012 21: 29
            +6
            And in my opinion, it will be more humane across the North Pole, and over Europa - to declare a "no-fly zone" am
    4. smprofi
      smprofi 28 February 2012 00: 49
      -5
      domoklthat's all good. big words ... patriotism ...
      but how does all this fit in with the MTO of the "enemy" in Afghanistan? with the NATy base in Ulyanovsk?
      and how about regular teachings of Russia and NAT?
      1. 28 February 2012 02: 05
        -2
        Quote: smprofi
        with the NAT base in Ulyanovsk?

        And what is there, a large base? fool
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 28 February 2012 02: 18
          +1
          and what would not be against the background of bulging eyes from the TV box "NATa threatens us!"
          and about cooperation - watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhgom1TtmK4
    5. Shveik
      Shveik 28 February 2012 01: 55
      +3
      We will show them "Kuzka's mother", "Kuzka's father", "Kuzka's brother" and just about all Kuzka's relatives;) From a new assault rifle to the latest strategic missiles.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 28 February 2012 22: 08
        +2
        Shveikyeah sho! belay

        Russian paras in the USA (the Fort Carson, Colorado), February 2012. Russian will take part in the joint exercise on mountain training in Colorado from May, 14th to June, 1st, 2012.

        so what will we show?
        1. Anton S
          Anton S 29 February 2012 04: 49
          +3
          Evil Russians have seized the Colorado region, save yourself, who can! All those who do not hide will be punished as in the photo "You wicked Russians".
    6. TROYAN
      TROYAN 28 February 2012 08: 56
      +1
      Putin is a good strategist in this regard. I think he’ll take it all under his wing ..
      1. predator
        predator 28 February 2012 14: 31
        -8
        Does Russia need a person who doesn’t answer anything?
        Pytin ne otvechaet za gibel lyudey, za pozhary, za sgorevshie derevni, za Sayano-Shyshenskyyu, za detey with Bylgarii, za Hromyyu loshad, za regylyarnye pozhary in domah prestarelyh, za terakty, za padenie samoletov, za proval kosmicheskoy program flow, za proval energeticheskoy Programs, for example, in the form of an arrangement of the police in the banditry in Sagra, for the sake of a quiet residence, except for ... except
        Only ski and play badminton
        He put on the people ... his lures will try to crush everyone who interferes with their comfortable life ...
        1. prunx
          prunx 29 February 2012 00: 27
          +1
          Forgive this predator, from another planet after all. laughing
          1. military
            military 3 March 2012 16: 16
            +2
            and everyone immediately "forgiven" him in unison ... laughing
            about "does not answer", perhaps, I disagree ...
            of course, he answers ... he cannot but answer ... and, for the whole of Russia ...
            maybe he will answer when ... maybe not ...repeat
        2. itkul
          itkul 12 March 2012 15: 38
          +5
          The cat left the kittens.
          This is Putin's fault.
          The hare was thrown by the mistress.
          Guilty Guess!
          Here ends the board
          The poor bull.
          Our Tanya is crying loudly.
          Near Putin, not otherwise.
          The light went out, the fence fell,
          The car stalled motor
          Healthy tooth removed
          Ile climbed into the apartment thief
          Did not like the movie,
          You have come to shit.
          Any cataclysm
          One explanation:
          Every democrat knows
          This is Putin's fault)))
          1. Piligrim
            Piligrim 12 March 2012 21: 40
            +3
            Well, who is to blame? The country has been manually operated for 10 years !!!
            And this is not some sort of Austria or Sweden, it is the largest country with a population of more than 100 million.
            He built such a control system. So let him be responsible for every light bulb, and for his governors-corrupt officials.
            1. Catsan
              Catsan 12 March 2012 21: 44
              -1
              in Kazan, policemen raped a bottle of champagne and killed a man. And no one was politically or criminally liable. And this happened because Putin only needs the protection of the election ballot-boxers from the police. That’s what we are worth 61% of United Russia in the city of Kazan.
              1. Catsan
                Catsan 12 March 2012 21: 52
                +2
                Prominent fighter against corruption, President Medvedev today proposed his candidacy for governor of the Krasnodar Territory.
                Tkachev will be the governor for the fourth term.

                Niece of Governor Tkachev Anastasia.

                At 22, a talented girl became the owner
                - two pipe plants;
                - development company;
                - invested 3 billion rubles in the poultry complex
      2. military
        military 3 March 2012 16: 04
        +1
        Quote: TROYAN
        good strategist

        Well, why is it so ...? laughing
    7. Catsan
      Catsan 4 March 2012 19: 07
      +1
      Yes, the whole forum is Putin's !!! Why are you guys ??? Where did you come from ???
      You hawala all this stew of the Kremlin media, believe Obeshalkin ...
      Do you exist at all? Are you the deputies of EP?
  2. Aleksey42
    Aleksey42 27 February 2012 08: 16
    +24
    Arms race? Yes, we continue to develop the potential of the Soviet Union! It is vital for us to develop our defense industry and army. Of course, our supposedly friends will howl about this, well, this is entirely their problem. Especially dissatisfied let them compare, for example, the US Navy and ours.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 27 February 2012 08: 42
      +29
      Closed cities involved in the development of secret weapons, the improvement of nuclear weapons - have not been closed for a minute since the collapse of the USSR. Therefore, there is no need to hysteria - we are mastering the potential of the USSR, of course, without Soviet developments, there would be no modern ones.
      In our region, there are 5 such cities. In the Yekaterinburg region, biological / bacteriological weapons are being developed. Arzamas, Snezhinsk, Troitsk, Zlatoust - nuclear weapons. And how many underground secret laboratories and factories are still unknown - no one knows for sure except Putin and the highest generals. Look at the Impact Force - preferably all issues. There is a series - TECTONIC Weapons - they show it there - KAMAZ leaves, and it has equipment installed that can cause earthquakes of any magnitude within a radius of 500 km. Look - Laser, Plasma, Meteorological weapons. In general, all the series - about 60 pieces - are worth a look.
      And there’s something about it - it’s most likely that it can be: again - Tectonic weapons, some kind of Cat-Dog Flu infection, Vacuum bombs of offennee power,
      Hurricane + Tsunami (30-40 meters) - it would be nice, or some Psychotronic weapon, they say even in America they tested it - people go crazy - they jump out of windows. What can I say - even the Nazis invented it - 70 years have passed - so already come up with this - it's scary to think.
      1. Aleksey42
        Aleksey42 27 February 2012 08: 47
        +9
        Thanks for the information, I have not watched the Shock Force for a long time, unfortunately there is not enough time, that development is underway. But, I think, now the time is such that you can’t lose a single day, then it will be too late.
      2. domokl
        domokl 27 February 2012 08: 59
        +23
        On behalf of and on behalf of U.S. intelligence, many thanks drinks But seriously, then ... Cities have not been closed and exist until now ... Only work there was practically not carried out ... New studies required investments, but with money there were seams ... Outdated ideas and developments were being finalized. .. Recently, they started, but .. while there really is nothing to brag about .. By the way, like the Americans .. They also froze most of the programs
        1. Region65
          Region65 27 February 2012 18: 50
          +2
          the fearless democracy wars on your cities! Look at the link and tremble with fear! American war machine crush Russia with one foot !!!!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khWNlDJfMqo
          laughing
          1. GRIGORIY1957
            GRIGORIY1957 28 February 2012 16: 42
            -2
            Quote: Region65

            the fearless democracy wars on your cities! Look at the link and tremble with fear!
            American war machine crush Russia with one foot !!!!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khWNlDJfMqo


            EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS MORE UNDERSTANDING, EVERYONE WILL NOT EVERYONE WILL WATCH A ROLLER
            AND UNDERSTAND THE VALIDITY OF YOUR WORDS ...

            I REPENT, IN THE BEGINNING I DELIVERED A MINUS, AND THEN I LOOKED ... recourse
        2. Piligrim
          Piligrim 27 February 2012 20: 53
          +1
          You also forgot about people.
          Those shots, yesaavno no longer exactly not there, but a large proportion of them and not here (in Russia). But this is already much more complicated. You can’t grow them in a year or 2.
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r 27 February 2012 09: 23
        +7
        What kind of region is this - Yekaterinburg ???
        1. Persey
          Persey 27 February 2012 10: 18
          -2
          It is necessary by the way to rename it to Yekaterinburg
        2. alexng
          alexng 27 February 2012 10: 19
          -1
          Do not find fault with the words. Many people in the Sverdlovsk region, especially young people, don’t know where to find it, and Yekaterinburg can be found on the map and orientated about what it is about. So that this error will benefit. But actually, it’s time to rename the region so that there is no confusion.
          1. Persey
            Persey 28 February 2012 21: 14
            -1
            I don’t quibble, I really think so, what a whole region bears the name of this bastard and murderer what Sverdlov was
          2. lexalex
            lexalex 24 March 2012 00: 06
            0
            A mistake is for the benefit, yes ... Let the sheep grow ... For the good ...
        3. Khabarov
          Khabarov 27 February 2012 16: 34
          +5
          Yes, he generally piled up, the devil will break his leg. Tectonic weapons in Kamaz !!!
          Nuclear weapons in Troitsk? son, Trinity is a regional center and apart from stew there are also diesel engines. And biological weapons, like chemical ones, have been banned for a long time, and Arzamas is far from in our area.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 February 2012 16: 45
            +8
            Quote: Khabarov
            Tectonic weapons on Kamaz

            And what? Kamaz itself is a tectonic weapon laughing
            Quote: Khabarov
            Nuclear weapons in Troitsk? Son, Trinity is the district center and besides the braised meat, there are also diesel engines.

            But in this stew just nuclear weapons and hiding :))) Actually, in the old days, the Trinity stew was an example of quality, but since the plant went bankrupt / bought out and after the fire in the banks it was possible to find everything ... right up to nuclear bombs :)))) laughing
          2. Neighbor
            Neighbor 27 February 2012 17: 34
            +7
            About underground plants did not hear. Or should a ballistic missile assembly plant be located right in the center of the city and glow with signs? Look at the American population plan for Yaudar in Russia. Chelyabinsk, Zlatoust, Snezhinsk, Sverdlovsk, Troitsk - like Moscow - in 1st place, since in our Urals everything is concentrated in the Urals, including the military. In me in Chelyabinsk - in the middle of the city - the Metran plant stands. In appearance, the building is like a building - and goes underground on 6 floors. Collect avionics of combat helicopters and aircraft. The area of ​​AMZ - Chelyabinsk - almost in the forest - is a plant for the production of warheads for the SMERCH and GRAD systems.
            And Amer has long known all this. For them, this is clearly not a secret. And how many - what we - residents do not know.
            1. Zynaps
              Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 11
              -5
              everything is much worse: everywhere there are secret cities and under each shed 60 floors deep !!!

              hospodi! already give a person an injection of haloperidol! otherwise he seemed to overhear the conversations of grandmas selling seeds next to the research institute.
              1. Neighbor
                Neighbor 27 February 2012 18: 41
                +3
                And where are they then - plants, except in cities? Is it on the moon? How do people get there and from there - not by bus but by starships? And where do the workers of these factories live - On Mars?
                1. Zynaps
                  Zynaps 27 February 2012 19: 16
                  +1
                  experts are experts. from what reality did they send you here?

                  dude, stop talking nonsense with nonsense already. Well, just sickening already. reality does not match what is shown on television.

                  there is a hunger strike in the country. it’s enough to look at only two indicators: bearing production and machine-tool construction to say about the industrial potential of Russia. I want to cry here. and you have plasma in one bottle with flying saucers.
                  1. yurchen
                    yurchen 28 February 2012 16: 46
                    -1
                    http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/exclusive/view/64362/
                2. cpaicv
                  cpaicv 23 March 2012 18: 39
                  0
                  And you are not too lazy to follow this link and find out where and how people live who should make engines for supposedly fifth-generation airplanes: http://www.rusotv.org/tv-shows/mir-glazami-anatoliya-baranova/mir- glazami-anatol
                  iya-baranova-ot-13-02-2012
              2. older
                older 27 February 2012 19: 40
                0
                And what hooks up some kind of development of science? Have a drink valerianochki ....
            2. ytqnhfk
              ytqnhfk 27 February 2012 22: 48
              0
              My neighbor, don’t listen to fools in Russia, they will never be transferred! My father from Troitsk a lot of what you say is that he will not lie himself, he was not the last person in the military industry! I completely believe you and know that it is!
            3. GRIGORIY1957
              GRIGORIY1957 28 February 2012 16: 57
              +1
              Quote: Neighbor
              Chelyabinsk - in the middle of the city - Metran factory stands. In appearance, the building is like a building - and goes underground on 6 floors. Collect avionics of combat helicopters and aircraft. The area of ​​AMZ - Chelyabinsk - almost in the forest - is a plant for the production of warheads for the SMERCH and GRAD systems.

              MYSTERY MILITARY DISCLOSURE ... belay ...?
              1. Borizzz
                Borizzz 1 November 2012 10: 25
                0
                And in our Chelyabinsk for VAZik airbags do .. terrible weapon, mannequin tears off his head dumb !!!))
            4. lexalex
              lexalex 24 March 2012 00: 08
              0
              Who showed you this plan !!! Laughing out loud!!!!! Brother Abama, not otherwise))))
          3. Neighbor
            Neighbor 27 February 2012 18: 36
            -2
            You tell it to those who release bird and swine flu into people. Forbidden combat use of chemical, biological, cluster, with depleted uranium weapons. However, Amerikososy successfully use cluster weapons, with uranium ammunition. Kamaz is a platform for equipment that sends an impulse that leads to an earthquake, do you think it should be on Belaz? see the shock force. Troitsk regional center - so what? You know all the plants there - stews and engines. I answered in more detail below your stupid comment.
          4. xorgi
            xorgi 27 February 2012 21: 01
            +2
            Who told you such stupidity in Troitsk never made a stew, and from a diesel plant they even handed over scrap machines. A strategic beacon is located in Troitsk, which is why Troitsk enters the zone of the first strike.
          5. GRIGORIY1957
            GRIGORIY1957 28 February 2012 16: 54
            +2
            Quote: Khabarov
            Trinity is a regional center and apart from stew there are also diesel engines.

            GUYS THERE IS ANOTHER "TROITSK", CITY-SCIENCE IN THE MOSCOW REGION... yes
            1. Lyp
              Lyp 3 March 2012 17: 44
              +2
              Why argue? Link to Yandex-cards, Troitsk, Moscow region:
              http://maps.yandex.ru/-/CJuvQM5p
          6. Borizzz
            Borizzz 1 November 2012 10: 23
            0
            We have nuclear weapons developed in the region, only in Miass. A completely open city
        4. yumor
          yumor 27 February 2012 22: 09
          +2
          in fact, she’s been Slovlov’s all her life
      4. Eugene
        Eugene 27 February 2012 09: 41
        +1
        The Moscow region, the village of Zarya (now the Balashikha neighborhood) for 2006 was not on any map and was closed, on kilometers for official use it also did not appear on year 89, now it is on any map. And there was the air defense headquarters! And do you think this is normal?
        1. vostok-47
          vostok-47 27 February 2012 09: 54
          +3
          OK if the air defense headquarters WAS
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 27 February 2012 10: 09
            +4
            Now there is the main headquarters of the Air Force.
            Moreover, the construction itself is sooooo interesting :)

            There the road from Gorkovka leads through the forest, now minibuses are traveling, personal transport (past the closed North), so this road all wags, it was specially made to bomb the convoy in case of which it is more difficult.

            PS who are interested, there is an air defense museum with interesting exhibits, for example, there is THAT THE MOST PU C-75, which shot down U-2 Powers in Kazakhstan in 1960
        2. freedom
          freedom 27 February 2012 21: 56
          0
          But he stayed. What is there to hide? It’s just that before everyone pretended they didn’t know, but now even though they stopped fooling around here.
      5. Persey
        Persey 27 February 2012 10: 18
        +1
        Yes, you are right, we all have it, I personally do not support this hysteria about the fact that "for 20 years we did not do anything," and "we have nothing but Soviet", I categorically do not support it, these are officials for 20 years nothing but themselves engaged, but the military-industrial complex still worked, otherwise it would not have survived. At the expense of weapons, I still really hope that we will not sink to biological and chemical weapons, like some terrorists or Americans, and in general it is rather a weapon of deterrence, because the spread of any infection very easily gets out of control.
        1. skullcap
          skullcap 27 February 2012 17: 10
          +5
          Persey Today, 10: 18
          like some terrorists or americans
          , ==================
          Sorry brother, but this is a tautology. Terrorists and Americans are one and the same.
          1. Persey
            Persey 27 February 2012 19: 24
            -1
            so I'm chalk in view of it)!
          2. Anton S
            Anton S 29 February 2012 05: 43
            0
            "Sorry brother, but this is a tautology. Terrorists and Americans are one and the same."

            Not true! Hugo, our Chavez is also an American, but not a terrorist. lol
      6. military
        military 27 February 2012 11: 15
        +5
        In the Yekaterinburg region - biological / bacteriological weapons are being developed
        No Comments am
      7. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 27 February 2012 15: 14
        +1
        I completely agree, several years ago, Medvedev said in an interview that the Russian Federation is developing weapons based on new physical principles of action. Hammer in Yandex and see that the neighbor listed everything from the tsunami to the zombies, etc. I’ll add from myself that many people who travel along the Gorky railway past Arazamas by night trains have repeatedly seen in the sky an incomprehensible glow of either the northern lights or plasma glows.
        So somehow it is so ...
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 17
          0
          Quote: Bashkaus
          I completely agree, several years ago, Medvedev said in an interview that the Russian Federation is developing weapons based on new physical principles of action.


          given that these words were spoken not only by a lawyer who also puffs out clinical ...

          on TV they won’t say anything.
        2. Piligrim
          Piligrim 27 February 2012 21: 09
          +5
          And even earlier, Putin - the president, touring the Russian aviation enterprises, promised people that we would support the aircraft industry and not let it disappear completely.
          And didn’t give ..... to the American manufacturer of Boeing! He brought the next year a contract for 150 Boeing aircraft.
          This is what I believe. And what do you want to believe in Bashkaus .... well, you can also believe in green men, amuse yourself with the sweet thought that in fact everything is nishtyak, and we are building some kind of super-duper weapon somewhere under the covers.
      8. Zynaps
        Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 06
        0
        watch "Shock Force" and believe everything that is said there. unless you are older than primary school age. here satellites fall on their heads, and people have a source of knowledge - TV.

        I wanted to write a disappointing youth text about 14 years of work in one of the leading "boxes", but decided not to. Otherwise, I feel that people will break the template on the British flag from realizing the scale of the broken polymers.
        1. arkady149
          arkady149 27 February 2012 20: 34
          +2
          Of course, the only honest source of information is the Dozhd channel and the revelations of angry bloggers.
      9. Region65
        Region65 27 February 2012 18: 48
        0
        and by the way, to say where our missiles from Cuba didn’t go away, infa is XNUMX percent reliable))))))))
      10. Piligrim
        Piligrim 27 February 2012 20: 49
        +1
        So big and believe in fairy tales
        And they didn’t show weapons there, such a box with a button, press, and once, and there is no USA ?. And once and still someone is not.
        it’s probably easier for you to live with such bikes.
        But something must be done and the real.
        1. Region65
          Region65 28 February 2012 03: 07
          -1
          conversations in the ranks!)))) bully
      11. yumor
        yumor 27 February 2012 22: 01
        0
        +1 another city in the Sverlovsk region Svidlovsk 15 he saw his name himself !! and was there
      12. Alone
        Alone 28 February 2012 13: 17
        0
        In the Sverdlovsk region, until recently (I didn’t hear anything being done now, but I don’t exclude it), closed cities were completely deserted. Almost all the young people left for work in Yekaterinburg. Yes and Zlatoust are the Chelyabinsk region.
      13. lexalex
        lexalex 24 March 2012 00: 04
        0
        Here you are sick)))
    2. Persey
      Persey 27 February 2012 10: 06
      +3
      What does it mean that we are still mastering the potential of the USSR? Russia is the receiver of the Soviet Union, naturally our designers will rely on Soviet developments
    3. Region65
      Region65 27 February 2012 18: 47
      +5
      and what is wrong with continuing to develop the military potential of the USSR? for example - F-16 fighters were adopted by the United States in the shaggy years, the Abrams tank, like our Teshki, is also old, it is also just as easy to modernize, US strategic bombers were adopted even earlier than our Tu 22M, they also continue fly on their Iroquois like ours on the mi-24, the same main weapon is the m-16 and its modernized crap .. by the way, what the hell do you have against the "legacy of the USSR in the OPK" if the Pindo-Americans within a week after they entered Iraq if possible, rearmed on Soviet Kalash ????? so you can go on examples ad infinitum, but I don't see the point ... everything that is shown on TV and in films produced by Shit .. uh ... forgive Hollywood - this is window dressing ... all the modern "fantastic" superweapons of amers or not exists in nature or is represented by single samples))) by the way, about the invincible and mighty US army and their weapons, a detailed report here ... makes you think and tremble with fear)))
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khWNlDJfMqo
  3. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 27 February 2012 08: 16
    +4
    We have a serious argument, to see him soon, I wonder what kind of new weapon ?! fellow
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 February 2012 09: 02
      +7
      lol Putin wears shoes not of domestic production, and therefore did not show ... laughing But there are hints ... Remember how, in Yugoslavia, an American super-super-super-invisible plane was shot down in due time .... The larger the filling, the greater the vulnerability ...
      1. Persey
        Persey 27 February 2012 10: 33
        +6
        Well, firstly, it was an isolated case, just the old Soviet VHF radar was not aware that it was not supposed to notice the "invisibility". Unfortunately, our long-range aviation bomber, packed with the most modern equipment, was also easily shot down by Georgians in 2008
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 February 2012 11: 13
          +6
          Quote: Persey
          Unfortunately, our long-range bomber stuffed with the most modern equipment, the Georgians also easily shot down the 2008

          But they knocked something OUR ADMS :)))
      2. Piligrim
        Piligrim 27 February 2012 21: 15
        +3
        Well, shot down, write here as if it's easy. What, then, at least 1 has not been shot down ???
        And because the Americans are not fools (as many would like here), they not only know how to draw conclusions, but also quickly (in modern) react to a changing situation and situation, including on the battlefield.
        1. Region65
          Region65 28 February 2012 03: 10
          +1
          huh? :) more than a dozen houses were demolished "according to American intelligence" hoping to annoy Hussein, while he was not hiding, he was sitting in his residence. The shelling of their own girls' schools, allied checkpoints and so on ... in total, in Iraq alone, more than 70 thousand dead civilians ... why are they talking there with orientation? I think so, they are oriented well in an unconventional way, but at the expense of orientation on the battlefield - hardly)))
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 February 2012 07: 06
          +3
          Quote: Pilgrim
          y, knocked down, write here as if it is easy. What then at least 1 is not shot down ???

          Actually, X-NUMX Su-3 was shot down
          Quote: Pilgrim
          But because Americans are not stupid (as many of us would like here)

          What does it have to do with the Americans?
    2. Gordarik
      Gordarik 27 February 2012 13: 59
      +2
      Can this: http://topwar.ru/11751-kosmicheskiy-apparat-dlya-borby-s-asteroidami-proekt-razr

      abotannyy-v-rossii.html # comment-id-203890
      bully laughing
  4. esaul
    esaul 27 February 2012 08: 23
    +13
    Alexey, thanks, but "... the sediment remained!" laughing Intrigue, then - threw in, and guessing, then, yusam and NATe? They are now smashing skulls against the wall wondering - "What kind of Muther appeared for Putin?" Well, and - seriously, I think that - the policy is structured correctly. I remembered a joke - Abram and Sarah went to bed. Abram is tossing and turning, tossing and turning, not sleeping ... Sarah asks - "What happened?" - "Yes, I owe Iza ten rubles, but it's a pity to give it back!" Sara gets up, goes to the wall, knocks on her fist and shouts - "Izya, can you hear me?" - "I hear, Sarah!" - "Abram owes you ten rubles, so - know, he will not give them to you!" Sarah goes to bed again and says to Abram - "Sleep Abram calmly! Let Izya toss and turn until morning! ..." laughing Plusing the article with pleasure!
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 27 February 2012 08: 49
      +4
      Indeed, from the outside it looks like a good move. In this political situation, even the notorious "black cat in a dark room" can have a sobering effect on especially hot democratic minds (especially if there is one).
      1. 916-th
        916-th 27 February 2012 09: 12
        +11
        Khrushchev in the case of Kuzkin’s mother was consistent - at first he promised to show, and then he showed.

        Putin has just said so far, now he is simply obliged to show. Otherwise, you will have to answer "for the market". Let's wait and see Putin's Kuzka.
        1. Persey
          Persey 27 February 2012 10: 27
          +1
          Well, yes, and he also planned to sow Siberia with corn, Khrushchev directly the sequence itself, a giant of thought, so to speak
          1. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 27 February 2012 15: 28
            +3
            During the development of tsilina and sowing of Siberia with corn, a great movement of people of building materials and other goods throughout the Soviet Union began. And then quite so by accident, after the first fencing, the combiners parted, and forgot to disassemble the city of Baikonur with a 50 megatons missile, which brought Uncle Sam to the white knee in 62m during the Caribbean crisis. I’m silent about Gagarin. So la la at the expense of corn was originally a fool.
            1. Zynaps
              Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 35
              +1
              dear expert! If you do not know what harm Nikita Khrushchov inflicted on the economy of the USSR through the economic councils and the liquidation of the branch union ministries, as well as his "food" program, which put a number of republics and regions of the USSR on the brink of real hunger, you would not think in such a way

              all the more so since decisions on the development of virgin land, the construction of housing for the people, space exploration were made and began even before Khrushchov. Moreover, Nikita worsened the first two positions and simplified it completely. and the flight of Gagarin - it so happened that during the reign of Khrushchov it was time to reap the benefits.
          2. Zynaps
            Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 31
            +2
            we take the academic work of V. Simchera "Development of the Russian economy over 100 years." look at the data on Khrushchev: "the national wealth of the country has increased by 1.47 times, the standard of living of the population has grown by 3 times" ... and so, in little detail: "8070 new state enterprises have been built, 714.5 square meters of housing have been put into operation, the first nuclear power plant in the world, the launch of the world's first spacecraft with a man on board ... "

            of course, the increase in national wealth compared with Stalin (2.5 times) and the daragim Leonid Ilyich (3.1 times) Nikitkins 1.47 times look pale, but if you read what happened after Chernenko, then Nikita will clearly draw on a coryphaeus.
  5. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 27 February 2012 09: 05
    +7
    So let them sweat, get fidgety. But suddenly he’s not bluffing? Khrushchev didn’t lie ... You have to behave more aggressively with them. And then they are all such cowboys: they sit, lounging, throwing their hooves on the table, and we stomp in the doorway of the entrance, bashfully looking down ... because we are OTHER ... Now let them think, wrinkle their forehead and scratch their turnips.
    1. Dimitrxnumx
      Dimitrxnumx 27 February 2012 12: 09
      0
      And in the course of procurement for several years in advance smile
  6. predator
    predator 27 February 2012 09: 05
    +4
    after this statement, Vovan Vovanich, NATO together ran to change diapers!
    1. Dimitrxnumx
      Dimitrxnumx 27 February 2012 12: 10
      +2
      And in the course of procurement for several years in advance smile
  7. alseek
    alseek 27 February 2012 09: 16
    +4
    Something tells me that the Americans will not lead this, they cease to know that we have what is not. For example, we have a valve from a pipeline through which oil and gas go to Europe. So far, I don’t know more serious weapons.
    But laser, tectonic, climatic and other weapons are still from the realm of fantasy.
    In the meantime, all this is pre-election demagogy, let's see what happens after March 4.
    Very quickly, we forget everything - until recently we scolded the army for backward equipment and the defense industry for the inability to create something competitive, about a flying Mace, for example, now everything is OK, everything flies, everything new is good. Something I doubt such miraculous transformations. It is necessary to look at things more realistically. I understand that everyone hopes for the best, but it is more expensive to engage in cap-making for yourself.

    In general, I have a full feeling that we are returning to the USSR at full speed.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 27 February 2012 09: 23
      +1
      Yeah, from the realm of fiction. In the USSR in the 80s, the first plane was shot down with a laser. Chinas over satellites knock down a laser. About the climate - in Alaska, what the Amer has - a giant microwave. We also have this. Why did they build a collider - To receive Antimatter, we have 3 of them since the days of the USSR, one is located in Moscow, Dubna seems. They will build 1 more - The most powerful in the world is ours.
      I hasten - I would have written! wink
      1. esaul
        esaul 27 February 2012 09: 35
        -2
        Do not rush, Neighbor! Read this! While we have
        Quote: Neighbor
        we have 3 of them since the days of the USSR, one is located in Moscow, Dubna seems. They will build 1 more - The most powerful in the world is ours.

        they have ------------- Collider "Tevatron" after its shutdown in September last year is rapidly being pulled apart "for other experiments." Anyway, this concerns its main detector CDF.

        After the Tevatron was shut down, Fermilab announced plans to turn CDF into a training center, but it is now clear that these plans are not destined to come true.


        The CDF, a three-story building weighing 4000 tons, is packed full of all kinds of equipment — particle detectors, energy sources, electronics, photomultiplier tubes, which have encircled a giant magnet cylinder on all sides. All this he is rapidly beginning to lose.


        According to the journal Nature, it all started when Bogdan Wojciechowski, the head of three experiments to study the structure of the nucleus using electron beam bombardment, convinced Fermilab's bosses to donate 600 photomultiplier tubes in the CDF. This saved his team $ 600. Then some of the energy sources migrated from the CDF to the Mu2e experiment, designed to study muons. The amplifier chips "moved" to another experiment - g-2, also dealing with muons; for the benefit of the neutrino experiment, part of the scintillation materials was removed from there.


        Physicists attribute this to the need to save money - despite the fact that the scientific budget of the Ministry of Energy (DOE) has increased by 2,4% this year, funding for high-energy physics from DOE has decreased by 1,8%, in addition, the budget of Fermilab itself decreased by 5%. Thrift has become the norm for American physicists.


        Another reason is the change of emphasis in high-energy physics in the United States, which happened after the Large Hadron Collider was launched at CERN. There was no point in competing with him in the power of the beams, but the same goals can be achieved by increasing statistics, that is, the number of particle collisions with the target. New targets required new equipment, and it stood nearby, dormant.


        So far, Nature claims, "pulling away" concerns small objects, but one of Fermilab's upcoming experiments called ORKA, aimed at studying rare kaon decays, needs just such a solenoid magnet, which is installed on the CDF. Removing, installing and reconfiguring this magnet will cost Fermilab several million, but it is still half the price of buying a new magnet.



        drinks good Cut - to the full!
        1. alseek
          alseek 27 February 2012 10: 17
          -1
          Crisis is everywhere a crisis, we are in chocolate now, since the largest suppliers of expensive energy resources, I will repeat once again the current stability is extremely ephemeral, everything can collapse at once. That is why we are now riveting frantically new weapons, because natural resources must be protected if oil prices do not collapse, they try to physically overwhelm us.
        2. Ziksura
          Ziksura 27 February 2012 11: 15
          0
          Ndaaa ... To help them with still effective managers.
      2. alseek
        alseek 27 February 2012 10: 13
        0
        Forget about all this - you can only bring down a laser with a laser and you don’t have energy, the Americans turned off the combat laser program, ours, too, only the lazy one didn’t talk about the microwave in Alaska, but why can’t anyone say for sure, Collider and antimatter is generally funny, this is not a military project.
        1. Neighbor
          Neighbor 27 February 2012 17: 29
          -3
          You are a physicist - a nuclear scientist - a scientist - a military man along the way. Antimatter is needed to create weapons worse than Nuclear and the size of a pack of cigarettes will be such a bomb.
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 43
            +1
            expert, do you even imagine the problem of getting at least 1 (one) gram of antimatter and hemorrhoids with its storage?

            hint: 1 gram of antimatter during annihilation will release as much energy as one bomb dropped on Hiroshima. those. approximately 15 kT in TNT equivalent. enriching an equivalent amount of uranium or burning an equivalent amount of plutonium will be cheaper. not to mention save.

            expert! Go back to school and don't smoke textbooks anymore!
          2. ytqnhfk
            ytqnhfk 27 February 2012 23: 12
            0
            Not only antimatter is also a new universal engine that can develop from 1000 to 5 thousand light speeds! Since the magnetic field of antimatter with great speed to strive from our universe that has the opposite charge !!!!!!!!! Well and so on ! who are interested, ask, tell, write in a personal!
      3. Zynaps
        Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 39
        0
        expert, get drunk already!

        I will not comment on the nonsense about the aircraft and satellites shot down by the laser.

        synchrotrons - will not build. The Serpukhov collider, which is similar in parameters to the LHC from CERN, has been in a deplorable state for a long time - more than 30 km were destroyed. structures and their repair is not even planned.

        stop smoking wheatgrass already.
    2. Evil Tatar
      Evil Tatar 27 February 2012 10: 57
      0
      Quote: alseek
      In general, I have a full feeling that we are returning to the USSR at full speed.

      Where here I have already scribbled about the "Calvary Plan" ...
      Choose material from this link:
      http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%
      B3%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B0&lr=76
    3. Selevc
      Selevc 27 February 2012 21: 58
      +5
      Yes, of course, it is clear that Soviet technology is terribly backward - and where is the American miracle technology? Something their cyborg soldiers too often with obsolete AK-47s were spotted in Afghanistan :))) And where are their super helicopters? Something their ultra-modern asses carry on the terribly backward Mi-6 and Mi-8 :))) What about the ultra-modern Humvee - I just read recently that it was discontinued - why would it be? Most of the losses in Iraq were among the soldiers riding these coffins with bulletproof armor that could not withstand the hit of the terribly outdated RPG-7 ...
      They just PR their weapons to the whole world and then it turns out that this is r ... And with Soviet weapons half the world runs in the forests and in the mountains and in the deserts - it’s so universal and reliable ... The facts are there ...
      1. alex popov
        alex popov 28 February 2012 10: 45
        0
        Yeah. The F-22 turned out to be so "capricious" that the pentagram refused to use it in Afghanistan and Iraq. And the fact that this is a "superplane" no one has ever checked, except in commercials.
        And if we consider that the word "capricious" was voiced by the official representative of the pentagram, then making allowances for his genetic political correctness, the word "capricious" can be translated in other more accurate words.)
  8. Yves762
    Yves762 27 February 2012 09: 19
    +1
    Khrushchev also showed "Kuzkina's mother" and its dimensions (October 1961). I hope the entot will be honored ...
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 27 February 2012 09: 44
      +4
      In the article of pathos, as if the "Death Star" was built behind the Moon.

      However, the American pro against missiles launched from submarines IMHO is ineffective.
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 27 February 2012 13: 43
        +3
        death star - sounds good !!!!! laughing but in my opinion it was more sarcastic; it would be red five-pointed with a hammer and sickle !!!!! lol good
    2. military
      military 27 February 2012 11: 31
      +1
      what exactly ... to repeat the Caribbean crisis ...? belay
      with the instinct of self-preservation, he is all right ... wink
  9. tank64rus
    tank64rus 27 February 2012 09: 22
    +7
    This is the fifth column in Russia that used the disarmament slogan for the collapse of the USSR. Yes, and now they are screaming. It is time to indicate to them that their place is not at the top in power but on the bunks.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 27 February 2012 17: 16
      0
      Under the bunks - with cocks in an embrace. love
  10. vostok-47
    vostok-47 27 February 2012 09: 48
    +2
    Like everyone else, I had a desire to see something new, but remember what happened to the West (1961) - such a spit gave birth to the myth of the "Good Americans". I do my best to hope that we have something like anti-PRO-Europe. Well, of course, as a nationalist of Russia, there is a desire for weapons that have no analogue for 150 years.
    1. Sniper 1968
      Sniper 1968 27 February 2012 10: 37
      +3
      Nikita showed them such a "mother" that shook the planet, and THEY ran the manure out of their pants to shake it out. But at first it was funny for them ... I don't think that the words of VVP amused them. Somewhere on a subconscious level, they got lost. Moreover, Putin -this is not a drunk EBN conducting an orchestra ...
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 28 February 2012 01: 45
        +1
        Bukhany Yeltsin easily shot his parliament, introduced troops to pristina before NATO and congratulated the whole world on the new 2000 on behalf of comrade Putin
  11. Scholarships
    Scholarships 27 February 2012 09: 50
    +3
    I agree with the article. the arms race is ongoing. in one form or another.
  12. vovan100
    vovan100 27 February 2012 09: 52
    +5
    USA lost fear, they need to return it, otherwise these animals do not understand .....
    1. alexng
      alexng 27 February 2012 10: 27
      0
      It is necessary to stick their faces in poop, like a cat who has bent into a corner, and close it in a closet for educational purposes. Probably the time has come. We are waiting for surprises for impudent uses this year. I think this surprise is just around the corner.
  13. mongol-79
    mongol-79 27 February 2012 10: 14
    +1
    It is necessary for the statements of such high-ranking people to appear systematically in the world media, so that the already inflamed brain of our Western "friends" grunted completely, otherwise they got used to yapping in our direction.
  14. Alef
    Alef 27 February 2012 10: 15
    +2
    All right. Aggressors respect only power. And Russia must demonstrate it. Let them think a hundred times before threatening us.
  15. SIA
    SIA 27 February 2012 10: 27
    0
    The Americans are obviously getting excited. Putin was right when he said that it is necessary to "cool" some hotheads. And we will cool them down.
  16. old rocket man
    old rocket man 27 February 2012 10: 39
    +2
    I think the answer is much simpler and not as fantastic as we would like. The American missile defense system with mass launch of missiles from our territory is capable of intercepting no more than 30-40% of warheads without the use of anti-missile nuclear warheads, with their use no more than 80%, parity is maintained at the expense of early detection of enemy missile launches, which allows a retaliatory, guaranteed strike (launch) before the enemy's warheads fall on their territory — the result is mutual destruction, which is the main deterrent, Based on this, I can assume that the solution is in the area of ​​guaranteed suppression of electronic warfare detection, guidance and control, most likely the answer is buried somewhere in the space constellation
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 27 February 2012 10: 58
      0
      What an interception. Read the site Dankomma he was not too lazy to even build graphics.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 27 February 2012 11: 12
        0
        leon-iv,
        What am I talking about?
    2. Dart weyder
      Dart weyder 27 February 2012 13: 49
      +2
      Still from old sources there was a lot of information about the setting of "space clouds", invented in the USSR - when at a certain height from orbit powder is sprayed from special (I don’t remember lying I will not lie) components - as a result of which, for example, it is possible to hang a curtain over the Arctic - which will not be visible for early detection stations in all ranges, up to visual, forming something like the aurora borealis, accompanied by electro-magnetic oscillations - jamming waves of different ranges - and then guess what the fuck !? wassat
  17. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 27 February 2012 10: 39
    +6
    Sniper 1968,
    Khrushchev bluffed like no other politician in the world! At the moment when he threatened "Kuska's mother", the ratio of nuclear warheads to carriers was 1:18 (in favor of the USA)! And if we consider that the overwhelming majority of them were located near our borders, then we looked very pale. And there is no need to find fault with Brezhnev with his stagnation. Indeed, it was during the years of Brezhnev's rule that nuclear parity achieved and for the first time, agreements were signed on limiting missile defense and strategic nuclear weapons. And it’s a pity that humanity, after 7-10 millennia of its history, having survived two world wars, the horrors of nuclear bombing, has not learned anything!
    And further. The future war (or rather, a long-running one) is unfolding not in the field of nuclear technology (the use of which leads to self-destruction), but in the field of ideology (the collapse of the USSR), computer science, and methods of psychological influence that are still unclear to everyone.
    1. Born in USSR
      Born in USSR 27 February 2012 13: 43
      +1
      I agree with you that the worst weapon and war are ideological, that’s where the asymmetric answer can really be! Despite the most advanced science and the most powerful army of the USSR, it was destroyed by ideological weapons, without even once firing back ... Now these weapons are being deployed against us again, and we are again not ready for an adequate answer!
  18. elk
    elk 27 February 2012 10: 53
    0
    At the time of the collapse of the USSR, we possessed such military technologies that the NATO bloc not only did not suspect about, they abandoned these areas, considering their development unpromising. Much has "gone" in the form of information, but the ideas remained. If there is now the will and the means to implement them, then it's time to declare this. For example - I remember a report on the first one in 2005 - they developed at the institute a compact device that generates pulsed magnetic fields of such strength, for the creation of which huge stationary installations and powerful flows of energy were previously required. They immediately said that the development went into the "secret" mode.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 27 February 2012 17: 42
      -1
      In-in. With the stamp "Top secret" - for 50-60 years. And in 2050 they will say - here we came up with the Impulse Cannon - aircraft carriers and cities belay evaporate in one shot. belay
  19. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 February 2012 10: 57
    +13
    To be honest, what the article is about - I did not understand at all. The fact that GDP said about
    now the Russian Federation has the means that are able to overcome the American missile defense system without any particular difficulties

    So we've always had them - these are our ballistic missiles. Because the missile defense system is in Europe, and our "ballistas" have a TRANSPOLAR trajectory, and EuroPro cannot even reach them in principle. And some rudiments of this very ABM (as many as 16 anti-missiles) on the American continent itself can shoot down 8 warheads by force, and even then, in case of great luck. And the SM3 Standards installed on ships are not yet a very serious weapon against strategic ballistas, and their range of action for covering America is not designed at all. And neither THAAD nor Aegis will ever guarantee the protection of the United States from a massive nuclear missile strike. - especially considering that our latest developments, embodied in Bulava and seemingly in Yars, do not fly quite along a ballistic trajectory, for which the existing American interceptors are not designed at all.
    So what is the article about? The fact that Russia needs the most modern weapons systems and not that failure - but simply suspending the development of such systems are treason? And what about this need to write? Well, let's write then that the Sun rises in the mornings, the water is salty in the seas, and the rain drips from the top down, not from the bottom up.
    Maybe an article about how the GDP "trolled" the world community for the latest developments in Russian military equipment?
    Honestly, I do not think this is a smart move.
    The fact is that if the leadership of Russia is able to withstand the course towards the revival of domestic science and the acceptable financing of the latest developments of the military-industrial complex, in years through 80 the Russian Federation will be able to claim world military domination. And the thing is this. Now we are witnessing how the US military thought enters into a deep contradiction and stalemate with the American way of life. A simple example is the F-22 Raptor, a formidable air fighter, breakthrough technology. But its price is completely outrageous and unaffordable for the USA - by limiting to the release of approximately 200 machines, the USA received the latest F-22 at a price of 411 million dollars apiece. The result was that there were few aircraft purchased and so far it has not been possible to eradicate the children's diseases of the aircraft.
    Further. having the development and operating experience of the F-22 in the storehouse, the United States spends 35 billion dollars on the development of a deteriorated machine (F-60). And they still do not have this aircraft - this aircraft will “go out, then go out” during testing and before a full series still very far away.
    And the Sukhoi Design Bureau, having begun to create the PAK FA at a time when the prototype of the F-35 was already flying with might and main, has now brought the T-50's readiness to the F-35 very close. And this despite the fact that the T-50 is a much more formidable plane than the F-35. At the same time, only $ 50 billion was spent on the development of the T-2, and although R&D on this project is far from completed (absolutely adorable things are being finalized, which, for example, should make the F-35 IR cameras useless, "smart casing" and so on, which is not and was not on American planes) the entire amount of these R&D will obviously not come out for $ 3-4 billion.
    Why am I? And to the point that the Americans, of course, are no worse than us - the time will come, they will not bring the fifth generation to mind, they will build the sixth generation plane. But the cost of this aircraft will be such that he, this aircraft, will have to serve in the Air Force from Monday to Thursday, and in the Navy from Friday to Sunday, and only on major holidays and on February 29, in a leap year, in the Marine Corps. The new US aircraft carrier (serial) costs about $ 9 billion - twice as expensive as the Nimitz (without having a significant advantage over the latter) and the new American SSBNs that the United States are now developing in the project have a price tag of $ 6-7 billion (how much are these SSBNs will cost in real life - scary to think), as a result of which their construction was postponed until the distant future, while Ohio will cost. the same picture with the newest destroyer "Zamvolt" - instead of replacing dozens of Arlie Berks and Ticonderogs, several such ships will be built "in order to demonstrate technologies" In other words, in 50-70 years, and maybe even earlier, the Americans will have technologies - but there will be no opportunities to embody them in metal. And the Russian Federation will have both technologies and serial construction.
    And therefore we should not now, in the period of our weakness, tease geese. Why should we now let the Americans understand that we can create something that their missile defense system cannot fight against? It is far better to work this way out and adopt this very thing, allowing the Americans to invest superbabos in their missile defense system - and only if the United States, having built its missile defense system and feeling cool, will begin to put pressure on the Russian Federation - present it to them and explain something that their multibillion-dollar ABM is in full span and does not protect against anything.
    Russia does not need to now show its potential. Partially - yes, you definitely need it. Not to see a whipping boy in Russia. But if at some point we show too much, we can be hit without considering the consequences while we are still weak. Because the dragon is best killed when he has not yet hatched from the egg.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 27 February 2012 12: 12
      +1
      No, Andrei (I quite agree that the development of strategic weapons is a natural process like rain!) But it is necessary to write and talk about it! Understand us in the west have long been written off as a serious player! (of course they are wrong) but it was our "nuns" in the media during the 90s that allowed them to treat us like that! Let them know that we have the answer to their missile defense! After all, Putin said: "At the Sarov round table, Putin spoke in the spirit that the United States does not want to enter into active contacts on the development of a solution that suits both sides. Americans perceive Russia's concern, apparently, in the same way as a butcher enters position of its victim, continuing to sharpen the ax. Only in the past 20 years, the West seems to have forgotten that the “victim” it has chosen for itself may not want to bow its head on the altar of world hegemony of one global player. "
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 February 2012 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: Nymp
        But it is necessary to write and talk about it! Understand us in the west have long been written off as a serious player! (of course they are wrong) but it was our "nuns" in the media during the 90s that allowed them to treat us like that!

        So everything is correct - but in order not to burrow too much, it would be enough, in principle, to demonstrate the same Yars and the adoption of the Leyner and Bulava into service (I'm not completely sure about the Bulava, but a salvo of one hundred of the aforementioned ICBMs will tear both the missile defense and the USA into tangerine slices)
        And "Mother Kuzma" could have been restrained :))))
    2. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 27 February 2012 13: 29
      +2
      It seems that the Americans are approximately aware of the list of what we have. And we are aware of the list of what they have. Even during the Cold War, intelligence worked and received the necessary information, not to mention now. I think they will not crush military power. Economically, the Soviet Union will also be pressured to control and increase oil production, develop fields, increase gas production - develop new fields, build LNG plants and tankers, develop alternative sources, cheap ways to produce hydrogen fuel, develop revolutionary fuel cells, develop revolutionary batteries etc. The fall in demand for fuel will automatically create a crisis like in the USSR. Because by and large, we were not able to attract large manufacturers of high-tech components, manufacturers of microcontrollers and microcircuits, electronics, modern programmable machines, industrial robots, etc., the reason is simple - corruption, bureaucracy, raiding, moronic laws, and more .. .... Nevertheless, it was necessary to do this by any means, tax preferences up to 0, 10-15 years over preferential work, iron reservation from all kinds of bureaucrats, grabbers, bureaucrats, raiders and swindlers.
      P.S. minus - your arguments do not hesitate to say at least.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 February 2012 13: 55
        +2
        Quote: Perch_1
        It seems that Americans are roughly aware of the list of what we have. And we are aware of the list of what they have.

        This is true, but the list is exactly that approximate.
        Quote: Perch_1
        I will not crush the military power.

        It is highly desirable to promote this in every way :)))
        Quote: Perch_1
        Falling demand for fuel will automatically generate a crisis like in the USSR

        Yes, not that it would be so ... I must say that there was a systemic crisis in the USSR, there was no question in the price of fuel.
        Quote: Perch_1
        Because by and large major manufacturers of high-tech components we could not attract, manufacturers of microcontrollers and microchips, electronics, modern programmable machines, industrial robots, etc.

        It is yes, we have something - but not enough. We are undeveloped in this area, and I also see a big flaw in this.
    3. Selevc
      Selevc 27 February 2012 22: 12
      0
      Guys, relax - the 6th generation aircraft will be unmanned and this revolution in aviation is already in full swing ... And while Russia is in full swing to master the PAKFA and equip the army with it, it may already become obsolete ... Creating modern drones - This is where Russia needs make every effort ...
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 February 2012 07: 22
        +2
        Quote: Selevc
        The guys relax - the 6 generation aircraft will be unmanned and this revolution in aviation is already underway ...

        Wrong, and very much.
        Unmanned a modern fighter will not be very long - a too thick communication channel is required for UAVs of this type. And to kill him is not so difficult that the Iranians and proved
        Quote: Selevc
        And as long as Russia will understand the development of PAKFA and equip the army with it, it can already become obsolete ...

        Let's not fantasize - according to your program F-35 that fly to the furnace? It is expected that the F-35A will go into service in 2016 g, F-35C - in 2017 g. F-35B - in 2018 g.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 6 March 2012 21: 07
          0
          I think that in a maximum of 20-30 years in aviation they will create a completely universal unmanned aerial vehicle - which can be in autonomous flight for a long time and will be engaged in reconnaissance and conduct air combat and attack ground targets ... And it will be like creating a dreednout in due time - at the same time, all combat manned aircraft will become obsolete ...
          Indeed, there have already been revolutionary leaps in aviation - for example, all subsonic aircraft became obsolete when supersonic airplanes appeared, I’m not even saying what effect the jet engine produced ...
          At one time, colossal money was spent on battleships and all these investments turned out to be unprofitable. Battleships with the advent of aircraft carriers became simply large floating troughs and were used mainly as floating batteries to support landing operations ... A similar situation could happen again in this century but already in aviation ...
    4. 28 February 2012 02: 36
      -1
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      A simple example is the F-22 Raptor, a formidable air fighter, breakthrough technologies.

      Well, you said it strongly! Type in a search engine: "problems with f22".
      Here's an example: http://svpressa.ru/society/article/15063/
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 February 2012 07: 15
        +2
        Quote: kos
        Well, you said it strongly! Type in a search engine: "problems with f22".

        With all due respect to you, all this is nothing more than children's sores. Read Bulat about F-22 http://paralay.com/stat/ F-22 - this is really a formidable (but not at all unbeatable) aircraft.
    5. Arc76
      Arc76 29 February 2012 00: 59
      +1
      At the moment, missile defense is of course a myth. But the experience in creating such systems is important, they will progress and someday become quite effective. Just as with the Raptor, let its series be small, but it gave the states experience, technology, outlined the vector of development of a modern combat aircraft. Whatever anyone said 50 is still a prototype, and they already have the fifth generation, the whole thing is not even in quantity, the production can be deployed, the whole thing is in progress, gaining experience in the development and construction of something. Well, for example, we did not build aircraft carriers and immediately want to build something incomprehensible (This is me about the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy and the all-round ship). So you need to develop ideas about, otherwise it will turn out that time has passed, and there’s nothing to break through, they are naked.
  20. Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 27 February 2012 11: 11
    0
    Hello!
    The article is quite optimistic and timely!
    We heard from the first person in the state that they say we are not sleeping and there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks. But everything like that does not fit with the statements of the NGS.
    Well, Putin’s optimism simply does not fit in with the good intentions of the NGS.
    So far, we do not have a sober military doctrine.
    And this is alarming.
    We need to play ahead of schedule in the information fields, and there you look and the rest will catch up.
    Something like that!
    1. military
      military 27 February 2012 12: 04
      +1
      Well, Putin’s optimism simply does not fit in with the good intentions of the NSS.
      hurt ... lol "docking" is scheduled after March 4th ...
      So far, we do not have a sober military doctrine.
      as soon as the money in the budget runs out, then we will "sober up" ... what
      1. alex popov
        alex popov 28 February 2012 10: 09
        0
        After the 4th of March, Putin should not do the docking and not even "mate" for these "female dogs", but immediately to the knackery, but the organs for study at the medical institutes.
  21. BOSS
    BOSS 27 February 2012 11: 12
    -1
    Putin will give them all a light soon))))
  22. elk
    elk 27 February 2012 11: 15
    +1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    A simple example is the F-22 Raptor, a formidable air fighter, breakthrough technologies. But its price is absolutely prohibitive and overwhelming for the United States - having limited to producing about 200 cars, the United States received the latest F-22s at a price of $ 411 million apiece.

    And why no one ever remembers that this "wunder waffe" was developed and created for what no longer exists - this is a development for opening and overcoming the USSR air defense systems. At the time of the aircraft's creation, it turned out to be ... unclaimed ... That is why it does not take part in operations now - it is too expensive.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 February 2012 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: elk
      And why no one ever remembers that this "wunder waffe" was developed and created for what no longer exists - this is a development for opening and overcoming the USSR air defense systems.

      And do not give a reference?
      The raptor was NEVER created for air defense breakthrough. This is, in fact, a function of strike aircraft. It was created to achieve air supremacy and was an interceptor, sharpened only for air battles.
      Quote: elk
      and the moment of the creation of the aircraft, he turned out to be ... unclaimed .... That is why he is not taking part in operations now - too expensive.

      Not certainly in that way. He does not take part, because the death of at least one such aircraft will be too expensive for the US leadership.
  23. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 27 February 2012 11: 23
    +1
    Yesterday on TVC in "Three Corners" this topic was discussed ...
    Convincingly - in the Second World War, many countries, including Germany, having chemical weapons, never used it ...
    Therefore, it is worth thinking that nuclear weapons are a political argument for putting pressure on the governments of potential adversaries, mainly through the electorate ...
    It is not worth hoping that at some point suddenly one of the countries will use nuclear weapons.
    The use of nuclear weapons can take place only in the initial stage of hostilities, a stage with limited time and technical conditions.
    All politicians and the military understand this ...
    Either immediately hollow, or forget about such an opportunity then fucking forever ...
    Therefore, the United States and Russia, and others at what stage, are preoccupied with the search for other "clubs".
    The United States, for example, has announced the development of hyper-velocity carriers capable of delivering high-precision ammunition to a target determined to defeat in a short time ... They said that the Americans used some kind of Soviet missile as the basis, which already had the ability to reach super-high speeds ...
    Russia is still silent, hinting at some of its decisions ...
    There was talk that several small-sized missiles that are not detected by radars ... They deliver the components of the "Bomb" PAPA "to the targets, which secretly gathered at one point, like a puzzle, create a cloud and a separate fuse completes the case ...
    How to know whether it is prada?
    But it is believed that there is still something ... And upon learning something about it, the world will shudder ...
    No wonder Putin smiles so cunningly, talking about NATO partners ...
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 28 February 2012 10: 21
      +1
      I heard something like that too (Bomb "DAD"), and not so long ago.
      I heard it. that it is planned to use new-generation anti-ship missiles with a new operating principle based on thermobaric munition to destroy enemy surface ships. One hit of a small-sized rocket (and that means inconspicuous and difficult to destroy) is enough to make the craft turn into trash.
      Moreover, they said that these developments were still in the late 80s, but Gorbi (a female dog) closed this program.
  24. leon-iv
    leon-iv 27 February 2012 11: 25
    0
    This statement is especially interesting in light of WHAT.
    In Russia, new complexes are being developed for all components of the strategic nuclear forces. wink
    And what about the Omega-Americans W88 turned sour W76. How are they with the production of the triden. Essentially, it is beneficial for American Americans to have nuclear weapons left only at their UN site.
  25. Nymp
    Nymp 27 February 2012 11: 55
    0
    Finally!!! Though there is a signal that the government did not leave with impunity the anti-missile defense system around us, allegedly against Iran! (By the way, if you posted a video about this it would be great) I believe Putin. And the trouble is for Russia if it follows the "swamp areas"! Who will resist the hidden aggression of the West? This doll is Prokhorov ?! We must defend our choice on March 4 and long live "Kuzkina's mother" from the GDP !!!
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 27 February 2012 12: 18
      +1
      http://premier.gov.ru/events/news/18248/video.html
      Here’s a reference, someone will tell me (maybe I didn’t look at something ?!) Where are Putin’s words referred to in the article ?!
  26. VadimSt
    VadimSt 27 February 2012 12: 13
    +1
    I carefully watched the part of the meeting accessible to a wide circle - three times!
    There was no fraud and hatred on him! Sometimes it was striking that the assessment was open, in terms of the unsatisfactory state of affairs in the army, science and defense industry, possible threats, as well as proposals for adequate measures!
    Everything was real and objective!
  27. military
    military 27 February 2012 12: 20
    0
    But this is from a Friday speech ... (for the probability of curtailing the program) ...
    "If any heavy processes there will be, and it will affect us, of coursewe will have to act according to realities budget revenues, the need to fulfill social obligations. Then see. Then in contact with specialists We'll keep thinkinglike us reconstruct these plans... So far, there are no plans for reconstruction, and I hope that this will not happen, "Putin said.
    well, like ticks ... laughing
    the key phrase "... according to budget revenues ..."
  28. Nilfgaard
    Nilfgaard 27 February 2012 12: 23
    0
    You would see how Banderlog react to such news.))) Such boiling.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 27 February 2012 13: 30
      +2
      Quote: Nilf-gaard
      You would see how Banderlog react to such news.))) Such boiling.

      Probably an interesting sight :)))
      And big greetings to Deitven Addan Yn Karn aep Morwudd
    2. military
      military 27 February 2012 13: 32
      +2
      natural reaction to hypnosis "wise Kaa" ... lol
  29. Hauptmann emil
    Hauptmann emil 27 February 2012 13: 46
    +1
    All the same, rhetoric towards the West is getting tougher. And it pleases. The main thing is not to overdo it.
  30. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 27 February 2012 13: 50
    +3
    By the way, about Iran, too - if they nevertheless attack it, then what will they hide behind? Type now against North Korea will be pro in the Mediterranean and build in Poland?
    1. Mishutka
      Mishutka 27 February 2012 16: 00
      0
      precisely noticed winked
  31. deoman
    deoman 27 February 2012 17: 11
    +1
    Quote: Eugene

    In the article of pathos, as if the "Death Star" was built behind the Moon.


    good laughing laughed heartily! Plus!)
  32. nycsson
    nycsson 27 February 2012 17: 17
    0
    It’s interesting, but what is there with us that the American missile defense is nonsense !!! All this is unfounded somehow !!! God grant that I was mistaken !!!
  33. nokki
    nokki 27 February 2012 17: 34
    0
    Quote: Born in the USSR

    By the way, about Iran, too - if they nevertheless attack it, then what will they hide behind? Type now against North Korea will be pro in the Mediterranean and build in Poland?


    IMHO. It’s cheaper and easier to accept Iran into the CSTO. By the way, Syria too.
    1. es.d
      es.d 8 March 2012 00: 33
      0
      People will not let them lie, but if insanity does not change me, then a "Treaty" was signed with GREAT Poland, just before the start of World War II. The agreement was ... e.e. terminated unilaterally (I do not know the terms and wording) after the humanitarian action of the Wehrmacht.

      I'd..

      Parallel Parallels (c) Military
  34. papss
    papss 27 February 2012 18: 06
    +1
    There are always many words on the eve of elections. And less formidable and formidable. One thing can be understood, something is being prepared that makes everyone move. And our Putin and the whole West. One thing is clear - the old Russia and the old Putin WILL NOT BE! Putin was short - "WE need weapons." What would it be from? It is clear from what. NATO and the United States, over the past 10 years, have completely discredited themselves as the engines of democracy and the defender of peace, have moved to the border of Russia, are creating missile defense. It turned out like this - the USSR was transformed into Russia, we changed everything, or rather, lost everything. They just gained nothing, but the goals remained as in the days of the USSR. There have been internal changes in Russia itself - the people do not want chaos, anarchy and control from abroad. We can say that the level of self-awareness has risen to the realization of oneself as a GREAT NATION. FINAL - this cannot continue. Here comes Putin.
  35. Zynaps
    Zynaps 27 February 2012 18: 47
    +2
    read and cried separate comments.

    Dumb Pin Dosas (TM) from horror in spasms ate ear. already collapse bases and quickly dissolve NATO.
  36. malera
    malera 27 February 2012 19: 07
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    A tough article, but fair ... Indeed, most of us think so.

    The Russians have a bad one - a trait to speak for others. You have such an opinion and excellent. I have a little different. Putin is a master of slumber. When he came to power, I also admired his speeches, the man says. And the man continues to speak the matter for a year, two, three. But the thing is not done. Started by doubling the GDP, crap and doubled.
    Who remembers Putin launched a series of national projects: notaffordable housing, medicine, etc. Well ....,? Hollow Breast. Nothing is religious!
    What about NANO and other state corporations? When I came up with advertising, there was a lot on TV. We will restore our industry. And when he crap again, they all turned out to be unprofitable and state loans were stolen. Slowly, without much ado, he began to corporatize them.
    And where is Putin going to take the money? Taxes on industrial waste products And who will do this weapon? It wasn’t the guys that the intercosmic station was killed. If someone is familiar with our technical universities, he knows that the level of training is lower than the baseboard. I had one such student — a future engineer; for 5 years he had not a single laboratory.
    Putin has good words; he is sorry for the hollow.
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 27 February 2012 20: 56
      0
      In some ways, I agree, but your criticism is too kind of some kind of evil, just like Navalilny’s.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 27 February 2012 21: 45
        -1
        Guys - looking from the outside - of course, Putin is far from ideal, and much does not work out for him - but our Yushchenko and Yanek are just suckers compared to GDP ...
        Putin is a global figure - as if someone didn’t like it, but many politicians in the former Soviet republics are just a thief - an open and impudent thief !!! Even enemies (Europe and America) respect Putin - and the whole world has long ceased to respect our independent politicians ...
        Even if the words about superweapons are a lie - it’s just a political bluff - the Union did in its time ...
    2. 28 February 2012 03: 01
      -1
      Quote: malera
      But the thing is not done. Started by doubling the GDP, crap and doubled.

      When did he promise it? in 2003, he promised to do it in 10 years.
      We look: 2002 GDP 12310 billion
      2010 GDP 17842,3 billion (that's all in 2003 prices) Growth of 1,4 rubles. And this is considering the global crisis of 2008.
      GDP of 2008 is 18604,2 mln., I.e. GDP growth over 6 years in 1,51 times.
      But the global crisis threw us three years ago. Let's see what will happen in 2013.

      Quote: malera
      Who remembers when Putin launched a series of national projects: inaccessible housing, medicine, etc. Well ....,? Hollow Breast. Nothing is religious!

      What is not specifically implemented?

      Quote: malera
      What about NANO and other state corporations?

      And what is the matter with them? Specifically. What does Rosatom not work? Or Russian technology? Or USC? Or maybe Gazprom? Or Rosneft?
      read sdelanounas.ru.

      Quote: malera
      Not the hell guys that the inter-cosmic station was finished

      Why did they do this?
  37. Sirius
    Sirius 27 February 2012 19: 27
    +3
    And Kuzkin’s mother (the Soviet hydrogen bomb) then really made not only Richard Nixon and the United States start, but the whole world.

    After reading these lines, it came to my mind from the depths of my memory that somewhere I read, once heard something similar in this spirit from the TV screen.
    "... and the whole world." - sounds like a balm for patriotic feelings. But!!! Let my comment be off-topic.
    But after rereading, I imagined how in 1959 the inhabitants of some Paraguay, having learned about the hydrogen bomb from the USSR, suddenly shuddered and were frightened! I do not believe that in the countries of the so-called "third world" there were reasons to be afraid of the Soviet atomic bomb! Has anyone studied the evolution of the attitude of the inhabitants of the "second and third world" to the USSR, to its military threat, to Soviet achievements? Rather the opposite: they were jealous. They envied that there is a state that, in spite of the "first world", has weapons capable of protecting its citizens. Citizens who had free medicine with a school, guaranteed paid work, pension.
    Citizens of NATO countries - yes, there were serious reasons to worry.
    Why am I doing this? Besides, we are sincere patriots when we swallowed the information virus brought in from the West. It was they, shuddering from the thunder of "Kuzka's mother", who divided the world into we и they with the rest of the world. According to the principle: we are orcs, and they are elves, dwarves, people, i.e. the whole world. And when we say proudly: "Not only Richard Nixon and the USA shuddered, but the whole world." -
    subconsciously, we oppose ourselves to the whole world, but we need only the "first", and not alone, the USSR has already done this, Uniting to defend itself is easier.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 27 February 2012 21: 37
      +1
      You think up nonsense - and the world did not start after Hiroshima and Nagasaki? And the world did not flinch at the first explosion of the American hydrogen bomb? Something some kind of strange world that shudders only in relation to the former USSR and Russia ...
      I like that the biggest howl about nuclear weapons is by no means raised by Paraguay - but by the state that is the ONLY in history used this terrible weapon ... Apparently they are most afraid of :)))))))))
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 27 February 2012 22: 08
        0
        They are afraid of retaliation for their atomic sins !!!
  38. Grin
    Grin 27 February 2012 19: 39
    -1
    We will dust your missile defense in a place with you !!!
    Think about it when you post it in your own country!
    And then along the bottom of the evaporated Atlantic Ocean, we will come on foot and pile on your "friends" !!
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 27 February 2012 21: 40
      +1
      Russian and Soviet designers have always surprised the rest of the world with their non-standard technical masterpieces ... I think that even our fathers and grandfathers did something that is still very classified ...
      1. alex popov
        alex popov 28 February 2012 10: 06
        0
        Figs knows, a bike, no, but my father-in-law served on the border with China during the conflict near Semipalatinsk.
        He said that they were kept in BG # 1 for several days until the conflict itself, then, when everything was over, the whole unit was gathered in the assembly hall, they took nondisclosure receipts and showed a documentary film, HOW IT WAS ALL. In his words (I am not inventing, I am not driving, I am not composing): some experimental power plants were brought into direct fire and Chinese tank columns were set on fire right on the march. They burned and fused them to such a state that the remains were collected in boxes with the inscription "Made in USSR" and thrown off the planes into the territory of China.
        Then, on guard, he saw these installations, covered with a tarp, saw how they were sent somewhere in a piece of iron. This and THEN did not write in the newspapers and now the network is NOTHING !!!!! Many people know that there was something, but what specifically no one says.
        I objected, they say, if Semipalatinsk, it could have blown up a couple of tactical charges over the tank columns, the result is the same. He only grins, they say, you young NEVER know, do not sit here and do not get clever. Like this.
  39. arkady149
    arkady149 27 February 2012 20: 42
    0
    All such important, competent, letters in kamenti are measured on the subject of love for the defense industry.
  40. freedom
    freedom 27 February 2012 22: 22
    +7
    Chubais will be launched on a miracle nano-missile, and they will come to them a maximum in a year. No budget, no technology, no country.
  41. 755962
    755962 27 February 2012 23: 05
    -1
    The history of mankind is closely connected with constant progress, technological development, new discoveries and inventions. Some technologies are obsolete and have become history, others, such as a wheel or sail, are still in use. Countless discoveries have been lost in the maelstrom of time, others not appreciated by contemporaries have been waiting for recognition and implementation for tens and hundreds of years. Here is a unique rating of the greatest inventions and discoveries in the history of mankind. The first place was undoubtedly taken by Fire, the second place was taken by the Wheel and the Wagon, the third place by right took the Written language, the fourth place, followed by the written paper, the fifth place was taken by gunpowder and firearms, the sixth place in the polls was taken by telegraph, telephone, internet, radio and other types of modern communication, Seventh place in the top 10 according to the results of the polls was taken by Car, Eighth place - Electric bulb, The penultimate, ninth place in our top 10 is Antibiotics, and in particular - penicillin, Well and the last, tenth place in the results surveys were taken by the Sail and the ship. Other inventions in various fields of science, such as chemistry, physics, medicine, education and others, were also recalled.
    After all, as we said earlier, this is not surprising. After all, any discovery or invention is the next step into the future, which improves our life, and often prolongs it. And if not everyone, then very, very many discoveries are worthy of being called great and extremely necessary in our life. And mankind makes these steps together with the military, paradoxically ...
  42. Magadan
    Magadan 28 February 2012 05: 03
    -1
    Quote: Patriot of Russia
    exactly, but "potapych" is "united Russia". no doubt a super weapon! 1/6 of the devastation was done not by children

    Support for all 100! And I don’t understand what the Patriots of Russia were blamed for?
    Or is it not our main trouble - are these officials? Or Edro ceased to be a bureaucrat?
    An external enemy can be scary to us only after the country is crumbled from the inside. And its bureaucrats are breaking up! That is Edro! And orange evil spirits pays bureaucrats so that those of our country are rotted from the inside!
    This has already been practiced twice, against the Empire and against the USSR! And if not, then what else is the point that the guardianship authorities took six children from a normal family only because this family did not have a residence permit? What is it like not bullying everyone and destroying the foundations of the family - i.e. the foundations of the whole state !?
    So, look at the root. Analyze facts from real life. And look for someone who benefits from it.
  43. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 28 February 2012 05: 35
    +1
    Personally, I understand that the very idea of ​​a missile defense system near the Russian borders is pointless, but how to explain this to the Americans is the main problem.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 February 2012 07: 26
      +1
      Quote: NickitaDembelnulsa
      but how to explain it to the Americans is the main problem.

      And you do not explain anything to them - they, I believe, do not do their missile defense in Europe for missile defense
  44. KAZAK67
    KAZAK67 28 February 2012 09: 30
    +5
    So far, these are only words. Before the elections, the mace immediately flew and "something" we got.
  45. FiremanRS
    FiremanRS 28 February 2012 11: 12
    0
    Phew! Well, you just scrabbled ... Putin, de there said something .... and rushed, from Chubais and to the northern outskirts ... They took it apart right on the shelves ... And all the general experts and all of them had at least two towers over the shoulders and access to sov.sec. information directly from the "first" hands)))) Calm down already, I do not think that Putin of 2012 has become dumber than in 2000. He understands what can and cannot be said and once blurted out, it means not just to annoy and disturb the West and reassure the people native. So there is something, but only that there is only guessing and you can. They showed you as an example with the T-95, but they are still wondering what is in it. Figs will tell us all what to threaten the "Swede". So either stop hysteria, or give out facts, links, documents.
  46. Wolkin
    Wolkin 28 February 2012 15: 36
    +3
    The whole article is one "cryptic phrase" about "something" sobering that will make Americans return to the "negotiating table". Probably, the amers did not give a damn about the negotiating table, and we ask them to return, since we have something else that "can turn the entire missile defense system to ashes." Well, why did it get up?
    And if you type in the search - "" Kuzkina mother "Vladimir Putin", then you can find a lot of interesting things.
    http://nuclearno.ru/text.asp?10926
    June 20, 2006 "Kuz'kina mother-M"
    .... The godfather of the newborn, President Vladimir Putin, announced to the hail and the world ... that soon he will show this Kuzka mother to everyone - "the Russian troops will be armed with the latest technical systems that are able to hit targets at intercontinental depths with hypersonic speed and high accuracy, with the possibility of deep maneuver both in height and in heading ". Such weapons, the President noted, "currently do not have any country in the world" ...
    http://badnews.org.ru/news/putin_pokazhet_im_kuzkinu_mat/2011-10-13-9291
    February 18, 2007 "Kuzkina's mother" by Vladimir Putin
    ... Vladimir Putin's speech at the 43rd Munich Security Conference ...
    http://rnns.ru/70592-kak-vladimir-putin-pokazal-kuzkinu-mat-vto.html
    June 16, 2009 How Vladimir Putin showed "Kuzkin's mother" WTO ..

    ETC.
  47. Patriot
    Patriot 28 February 2012 17: 48
    +1
    Well, they made fun. What kind of Kuzkin’s mother can he make to the West, which brought him to power (through ebn) and in whose banks this ghoul and his team of bloodsuckers of the country keep their money ....
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
    And I sincerely do not understand those people who firmly believe in the little girl-father of the putler.
    By the way, well, tell me.
    Does their roof really not cook at all, are they really so stupid and blind, and they don’t understand that the putler doesn’t respect them before, that:

    1) In a situation where the whole country asks to remove the monster of the fursa from education, because it dulls the children. He does not care about the opinion of the people and he continues to keep a ghoul.
    2) In a situation where the whole country hates Chubais with fierce hatred for robbing all the people and passing all the blessings to a handful of oligarchs. This red-headed ghoul works and destroys everything for which only the 20th decade has been taken.
    3) In a situation where taburetkin-perdyukov ruins our previously combat-ready army, the military and the whole people are asking to remove this ka. Zubkov’s son-in-law continues his destructive mission in the army, by all means making it not combat ready.
    4) In a situation where he repeatedly stealing several billion for a long time worked in Putin's team and only then was appointed ambassador to Ukraine. And, still has not answered before the law.
    On the example of other countries, it was necessary to observe a situation when, if a certain person appears in the team of the head of state, who at one point begins to cause wild indignation of the people (theft, corruption, scandals ....) then get rid of him as soon as possible.
    ONCE HE IS GOOD, this is your putler, then WHY HE WILL NOT REMOVE THESE U_R_O_D_O_V?
    WHY???
    ANSWER ONE. He himself is the main destroyer of the country, and they, in their turn, qualitatively do their job!

    But this yesterday's show-off with a pseudo attempted murder of a putler is nothing more than a pre-election move. So that kind-hearted Russians feel sorry for the "poor thing" and get banned for him. Ehhh, how low it all is, forever ... I can't wait for that wonderful day when the Russian people come to their senses and chase the putler and his gang in the neck. Having previously returned to the country everything they had stolen.
  48. forma2
    forma2 28 February 2012 21: 55
    -1
    the main thing is to achieve interest, everything else is just a tool to achieve it.
    The use of the tool depends on the Person.
    Putin is a personality.
    1. Wolkin
      Wolkin 1 March 2012 12: 21
      +1
      Achievement of interest by "soap bubbles" does not decorate "personality".
      What tool - such a person.
  49. ZEVS.84VOR
    ZEVS.84VOR 29 February 2012 21: 17
    +1
    PUTIN YOUTH! IT IS HIGH TIME! And then the guys from the US and the EU are terribly boring !!!!!!!
  50. Kochetkov.serzh
    Kochetkov.serzh 3 March 2012 16: 48
    -1
    Here is a man that. Boldly scolded everyone and raised the West to his ears) especially "we have something."