In Georgia, a monument to those killed in the Great Patriotic War

In Batumi, they decided to demolish the monument to the soldiers who died in 1941-1945. Preparations for the dismantling of the monument is already in full swing.

On the waterfront, workers build a fence around the monument. They say to journalists that they are only instructed to fence the monument.

However, the decision to dismantle the monument was taken by the Batumi city council as early as July 2011 (the Russian peacekeeper reports). The city authorities explained this decision with a project to build a cable car. The monument was promised to move to another street (information "Izvestia").

It should be noted that this dismantling is not the first time that Georgia gets rid of the legacy of the Soviet past. The dismantling of the monument to Stalin in Gori, produced on the night of 25 on June 2010, was widely known. But now we can speak about the consistent elimination of monuments dedicated to the Great Patriotic War (this is noted by Politkom.ru).

“Free Georgia” - an opposition party - expressed its protest in connection with the work on dismantling the memorial. The leader of the party, Kakha Kukava, interviewed by a GTimes correspondent, told how the government is trying to erase the truth about the Great Patriotic War from the people's memory, in which the Russians and Georgians fought side by side with the Nazis.

Kukava said that, unfortunately, this is not the first time that monuments to soldiers of the Great Patriotic War have been dismantled in Georgia. In December, 2009, the authorities blew up a monument in Kutaisi. That explosion turned into a tragedy - the girl died. “Monuments were part of the Georgian stories- said Kukava. “Instead, the authorities implant other values.”

Comments

[negabaritnyy]

As they were goats, they remained them.

[Aleksey67]

The article is not fresh, yesterday the news showed how it was demolished. It was built in Soviet times (in 1965, if I am not mistaken) conscientiously. They tried to demolish it, there the reinforcement and concrete are strong, now they "shatter" by hand until dark, and all the same, everything goes slowly. In general, disgusting is the rarest, so their grandfathers and great-grandfathers "spit in the soul." From Adjara, a lot of people fought in WWII.
By the way, they’re not going to transfer it anywhere, the veterans were allocated a new meeting place on the outskirts of the city a hundred meters from the cemetery, there is a 3-foot-tall stella, they want to tint it.

[Sergh]

Mishiko has reached senility. Why is the people suffering such a monster?

[Nymp]

What an amazing friend, the people can not stand, for some reason he votes for him! They got it right in the head that Russia longs for the genocide of the Georgian people and only Saakashvili is their savior! And the nightingale of the Soviet-Georgian pop art Vakhtang Kikabidze expressed a similar idea!

[Gray-haired]

A person can be a good artist and shit like a person. This is just the case.

[datur]

Gray-haired, and for me he is a shitty artist. Chita is a walking Margarita Brita. But OLEG BASILASHVILI is an artist with a CAPITAL LETTER!!!! : fellow:

[awg75]

subscribe for every word the gray-haired said correctly

[lexo8585]

they vote for him not because he firmly knocked them into the head that Russia was hungry for genocide, but because he had really put things in order there, although there was still no work. the truth to him was like cancer to China.

[Denis]

It’s right to say that Mishiko didn’t come, but all Georgians have come, since it’s not the first time before everyone’s eyes!

[Krilion]

What do we care about their people and their monuments?... Georgians themselves chose such a president and let them now eat it with a full spoon... let them roll everything in Georgia into dust... they either like it or don't care... no need to try to be more Georgian than the Georgians themselves... a people who have forgotten their past has no future... let it be like that with Georgia...

[domokl]

I saw it too.. And I don't even want to talk about the topic.. Smack and beastly things are done.. And the rulers and those who actually demolish.. Only the most vile descendants can spit in their own memory like that

[recitatorus]

You can’t recode the people's memory! You can recode, but they don’t have a memory! They will soon forget the new version!
Remember what crap we were taught in Soviet schools about tsarism! So what ??? Personally, in me this pairing kindled an even greater thirst for knowledge !!!
And all that I am now about History, as well as you all, was acquired not thanks to, but contrary to, even in spite of it, Soviet historians! Clever ones are not fooled, but what to teach, what to retrain, is dead.

[Dmitriy69]

I remember my grandfather told how he fought, representatives of Central Asia were very swearing, and he only spoke approvingly about Georgians ... What does it feel like for them, a few survivors, to look at this? How do people need to rinse their brains so that they put up with such vandalism.

[Neighbor]

................ .................. ....................
Oh, but why did you say that you can’t swear here? After all, there are such cases that without it - well, nothing. But one or two words - and everything is clear who is who!

[Uhalus]

Bitch. This is the memory of the dead... Those who defended, those because of whom this one is now acting like a fool and mocking...
Well still, there are many normal Georgians, sane.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Uhalus

S u to and.

Not worth it; there are other words in Russian

[starred]

Swearing is the language of demons, friend. But Medvedev had to take Tbilisi in due time! And Sahaki hang by the scrotum !!! And there would be no such outrage in unhappy Georgia ...

[Gray-haired]

So what you didn’t have to do was, as you say, take Tbilisi. Do you need this Tbilisi? A bunch of normal Russian guys were put in a heap, as time now shows, shit. They must be spared and cherished.
They destroyed the equipment, cheated on the counters, took away the U.S.-based Khamerovschina, and then they paid a heavy price. It is like the mothers and wives of the dead both in heaven and on earth. War is not Call of Duty for you, they really kill you there. Well, fathers and brothers have fought well enough, and sons have jumped in plenty on hot spots. The world would have to live longer, arrange life so that people walked along the streets smiling and there are no homeless people.

[Viking]

Quote: Gray

what you didn’t have to do was take Tbilisi, as you say.

I completely agree with you. Slogans are slogans, but reality is really not a computer game. The same street battles in Tbilisi, Kutaisi with a well-equipped army and local "partisans" I think would have led to large losses among the personnel of the Russian army. And there was a great danger of drawing third countries into the war (and this would have been a Russian-Georgian war). And so five days of military actions ("5-day war") recorded victory, and the victors retreated to their positions in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

[Uhalus]

So do not have to send troops into the city! A group of saboteurs just secretly passes by, Saak-shvili disappears, along with him dozens of the most frantic ... - and let the remaining ones fight together among themselves! And we would have to support someone ... Secretly, again, of course. You see, then Georgia would behave more adequately.

[Nymp]

Quote: Dmitriy69

How do people need to rinse their brains so that they put up with such vandalism.

Well, the propaganda here is at its "height" all the Western media + Georgian broadcasters are tuned to the anti-Soviet-Russian wave. Again, the porridge about the Soviet occupation is being circulated in the minds, and the successor of the Soviets is Russia. Don't forget that a whole generation of 20-year-olds has already grown up on this disinformation!

[beech]

when this Bonaparte leaves, I hope it will be tried in the Hague Tribunal !!!

[Heinrich ruppert]

In Germany, brainwashing is even cooler. In Normandy, during the disant landing, 9900 amers were killed, this is a great loss. And on the eastern front, millions are dust. In any program about WWII it is heard in the foreground.

[estonian]

Well, what can I say, the Estonian scenario is being repeated, so under the wing USA but they don't understand one thing, that this will lead to complete disaster, as in principle and in Estonia... traitors to the motherland, in a word.

[ISRAEL]

It's not these people. In general, memory is not respected.

[ISRAEL]

These are not these are not people. What kind of bastards do you have to be to not respect the memory of the people who died?

[Vereshchagin]

This guide ... The people of Georgia are good ... Gamsakhurdia and Saakashvili ... Bad luck to them ....

[Tatars]

A country that destroys the monuments of the liberators and sets up tyrants like Reagan can be called ...

[Alexei]

No way to call her. He who rules the past also rules the future. Such things are practiced at all times. Erase the memory of the heroic past of the people, and such a people can be controlled. It's a shame for grandfathers. But the most important thing is that these monuments should not be demolished in our country. This is stupidity on the part of Georgia. Although ... Russia will forgive everything, as it has forgiven many times already. This is our strength, and this is our truth. They will never defeat us all.

[Karabin]

Quote: Vereshchagin

This guide ... The people of Georgia are good ... Gamsakhurdia and Saakashvili ... Bad luck to them ....

Every nation deserves its ruler.

[Viking]

Quote: Vereshchagin

The people of Georgia are good ... Gamsakhurdia and Saakashvili ... Bad luck to them ....

Is Shevarnadze a present?

[dok]

What (I can’t find the words to determine the type of people) ... can do this with their own story. It will come back to them in the future !!!

[mongol-79]

Yes, they are moral, they want to forget history.

[Норд]

And such cattle have no future.

[S_mirnov]

I consider people who sign the order to demolish monuments moral monsters. But I am very surprised that the press is making a fuss about Georgia and Ukraine, but they are keeping a tight-lipped silence about their own country, probably because they know who appoints the governors.
http://www.info-altai.ru/novosti/altayskiy-kray/ko-dnyu-pobedyi.-snos-pamyatnika
-pogibshim-v-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyne-v-altayskom-krae.html
http://lenta.ru/news/2007/05/18/mid/
http://www.annews.ru/news/detail.php?ID=79832
Unfortunately, the cases are not isolated.
If we cannot preserve our monuments, then what do we want from our neighbors?
I see the only way out for the neighbors is the announcement of economic sanctions, but this requires strict political will.
From the point of view of an ordinary citizen, I propose to stop buying Georgian goods. This is of course a small but better idle talk on TV. Who can think of a better one - write.

[desava]

What kind of pithecanthropus ?! There was absolutely no gray matter between the ears, no conscience in the heart ?!

[Mr. Truth]

For this, you can demolish Saakashvili ...

[Dart weyder]

support - straight from the tongue tore! as I read the title of the article, I immediately wanted to dash off that it was time to demolish Georgia (referring to the government - if you can call them that, it’s more like a remote control device — moreover, a receiver — and the transmitter was in Washington, DC - it didn’t interfere either demolish))))

[negabaritnyy]

It is not possible, but necessary.

[boris.radevitch]

Mudoshvili is playing with fire again, but wait, you lover of eating ties
after March 4, a great end will come to Georgian teran and he will suffocate!

[mongol-79]

Yes, this goat is already over, only Western loot supports it, but it's all a matter of time.

[negabaritnyy]

after March 4, a great end will come to Georgian teran and he will suffocate!

And what will it be after March 4th?

[kPoJluK2008]

Dirty pigs!

[wolk71]

A people forgetting their past has no future ...

[Ion coaelung]

The people have nothing to do with it, the authorities ordered the performers ... And the authorities were ordered by the same gang that they ordered in the Baltic countries. This is how people quarrel with each other. Blasphemers!

[cerber]

The mouse completely refused brakes

[TULSKIY CAMOBAP]

All the same, in August 2008 it is necessary to reach Tbilisi and soak this one.

[Sleptsoff]

Let the Georgian people be demolished once they are not against it. The main thing is that we remember our story.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote from Sleptsoff

Let the Georgian people be demolished once not against it.

THE GEORGIAN PEOPLE WAS NEVER ASKED. YESTERDAY SHOWED THE VETERAN OF WAR, GEORGIA, AT THE MONUMENT, THERE IS HIS WORDS, PRESENTED:
"THOUSAND THOUSANDS OF THE DIED NOW LOOKING FROM HEAVEN AND SPIT IN THOSE WHO ALLOWED IT .."
BURNING THIS PRESIDENT IN HELL THAN FASTER, BETTER.

[awg75]

it said one person ten hundred thousand and millions agree with Saka Georgians in the vast majority of us do not like to draw conclusions

[Ribwort]

Quote from Sleptsoff

The main thing is that we remember our story

I support. "Winners write history." Unfortunately, we do not always have an impartial view of many historical events. History, like a cheap girl, every ruler strives to adjust "for himself." But the memory of the feat of our grandfathers is sacred!

[mpanichkin]

Saakashvilli's head needs to be torn down, not a monument!

[FiremanRS]

Wow..... I'm tired of this blatant idiocy(((( How can you consider a monument to fallen soldiers as a monument to the USSR? It's not just in Georgia. A similar trend can be seen throughout the post-Soviet space. Somewhere they shout about it, somewhere quietly..... in a word. Nazis in a new guise..... Sad....

[GRIGORIY1957]

Quote: FiremanRS

Hmm ..... already tired of this rabid idiocy ((((Well, how can a monument to fallen soldiers be considered a monument to the USSR?

This is not only in Georgia. A similar trend is viewed throughout the post-Soviet space.
Somewhere yelling about it, somewhere quietly ...... in a word. The Nazis in a new guise ..... Pichal ....

THEREFORE, DO NOT SHOUT, "RUSSIA FOR RUSSIANS", AND
"ENOUGH TO FEED THE CAUCASUS" (THIS IS ACCESS TO THE CENTER OF RUSSIA) ...

[Kars]

But for this you can get in the face.
This is the memory of the people about the feat of it can not be demolished.

[APASUS]

How much I thought, I could not understand the whole war of monuments!
Everything is clear on the part of the nationalists, the struggle against the memory of the invaders, but the Georgians themselves died there and their memory is no longer worth it ???
Georgians themselves are destroying their history, their memory !!!
Methods of barbarians and vandals ....................... although what you can’t imagine sitting in Washington, the Georgians will do everything!

[Aleksey67]

Quote: APASUS

How much I thought, I could not understand the whole war of monuments!

The fact that during WWII the Georgians fought shoulder to shoulder against the nation's Germany does not fit modern ideology, where the Russians are "occupiers" and the Germans are a democratic civilization. Gradually, those who fought will die, and the new generation will be brought up on the "immutable" history

[APASUS]

Quote: Aleksey67

Gradually, those who fought will die, and the new generation will be brought up on the "immutable" history

Perhaps it is.
After all, 90% of Japanese people think that Hiroshima dropped a USSR bomb. Many years of brainwashing on the American system works !!!

[Tyumen]

Quote: Aleksey67

Gradually, those who fought will die, and the new generation will be brought up on the "immutable" history

Here it is necessary to learn from the Germans. I read somewhere that they want to install a T-34 at a soldier’s cemetery, which FIRST broke into German territory and was shot down on a bridge.

[Toroptsev]

A shame! These are not people - aliens, worms, bend, the poison of the genus of man !!!

[Dimka off]

Shame on Saakashvili! thrice shame on the American henchman!

[GRIGORIY1957]

Quote: Dimka off

Shame on Saakashvili! thrice shame on the American henchman!

AND WE DO NOT NEED Yavlinsky, Germans, and Prokhorovs ...! ! !

[MrFYGY]

They still come around ...

[almost demobil]

And then tell me that Georgians are normal people and that they just have such bad leadership!

[IIorpaHu4Huk]

Well, it’s a disgrace to you Mishanya Srakashvili, you ate a tie, right now you will eat stones from the monument, after March 4

[Uralm]

So that the next tie is with potassium cyanide

[skullcap]

The Sukashvili regime reminds me very much of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. They also destroyed historical and cultural monuments.
The same dense ignorance, the same blind fanaticism.
It’s not surprising: both are the offspring of the most democratic and humane country in the world.

[taseka]

It’s not the people who are dismantling! Dismantle monuments American lackeys such as Yushchenko and Sakakashvili

[almost demobil]

TasekaIt’s not the people who are dismantling!
Can you imagine that such a monument is being demolished in our country? What do you think our people will do with these “demolitionists?” But in Georgia, they normally roll, people hawala.

[taseka]

Almost demobilization

Corrupt policemen do it at night with a cordon! They lie that they are being transferred to a new place - I hope so !!!
And with us - the first of these reptiles "demolition" will blow up !!!

[sergo0000]

At the beginning of 90, a Georgian was working with me, a good guy, open, honest. He had a dream to live in a normal civilized state. And what did he get? Worse than the barbarians, I swear! And this is against the background of the fact that the Germans found the Soviet tank T-34, which first burst they want to install Soviet soldiers in the same cemetery in Germany and were blown up on a bridge during the war. Here it is (civilized) Georgia!

[old rocket man]

sergo0000,
At all times, among all peoples, the memory of the fallen soldiers was sacred, but they buried separately their own and enemies, but they buried them, insulting the graves of even enemies was considered unworthy of a real warrior, but here they are, not fascist idiots, God will not wait for them will punish his own people

[freedom]

They trample their veterans in the mud, insult their older generation. Such a proud mountain people do not forgive. This is the misfortune of the Georgian people. I think we will still witness exciting events when Georgia turns Georgia back on.

[Landwarrior]

First, they dismantle it in order to transfer it, and then there is no money for the transfer sharply ...
What they are trying to achieve is incomprehensible.
Want to erase the "Soviet" period from history? Duc will not work, then it is necessary to bomb the entire population

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Landwarrior

First, they dismantle to transfer, and then there is sharply no money for transfer

They do not dismantle, but destroy the monument with perforators. What will they then mount from the fragments and crumbs of it?

[Landwarrior]

Sorry, I didn’t finish it ...... I meant that when there is no money transfer, the monument disappears ....
IMHO-the fight against monuments is akin to the fight of Don Quixote with mills - you will kill x * th memory , this requires brainwashing, but there are no such technologies yet

[mechanic33]

demolish a monument of soldierly valor, and there are no thousands of rallies, mass prostests.

Several dozens of people came with flowers to the memorial to Soviet soldiers, the dismantling of which is now ongoing in the capital of Adzharia. Several opposition parties and the Russian Foreign Ministry also protested the demolition.

maybe the current generation of Georgians is not worthy to have such memorials on their land?

[Zlyden.Zlo]

it seems you're right

[Dmitry.V]

Mat.Mat.Mat.

[Landwarrior]

[CENSORED]

[djsa1]

Yes, it is very surprising that the people are silent, everything is clear with the government, but where are the people looking?

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: djsa1

Yes, it is very surprising that the people are silent, everything is clear with the government, but where are the people looking?

MAYBE THEY ARE NOT SILENT. I FULLY ADMIT THAT THE MEDIA OF GEORGIA IS EXCLUSIVELY PRESIDENTIAL, AND THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THREATENED THAT WHOEVER SAYS WILL FALL IN HARM.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Men just wondering sukashvili, really such

[BAT]

In a word, an ASSHOLE. A rare ASSHOLE. You have to look hard to find such assholes. Although in Ukraine there was one - the godfather of a tie-eater. But, thank God, he has long been in the political trash heap. And this son of a whore and an imbecile should not be in the trash heap, but hung upside down on a lamppost. Somewhere in the center of Tbilisi.

[Aleksey67]

..."The page of Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on the Facebook social network was attacked by hackers, Georgian media reported on Saturday, citing representatives of the Georgian presidential administration.

In particular, the Within an hour and a half, hundreds of messages were sent to the president’s page with the text that Saakashvili is an Armenian by nationality, that his wife Sandra Rulovs is an employee of the American special services, and that the Georgian people deserve a better president.

Currently, the president’s web page has been cleared of hacker messages and is working as usual, Interfax reports.

This is not the first attack on Saakashvili's website. "...

I would say not the last

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: Aleksey67

. "The page of the President of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili in the social network Facebook was attacked by hackers,

BETTER HIS RESIDENCE HAS BEEN ATTACKED, JUST ONLY NOT HACKERS, AND WHO ANYTHING IS GOOD.

[GRIGORIY1957]

Quote: Aleksey67

... "The page of Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on the Facebook social network was attacked by hackers, Georgian media reported on Saturday, citing representatives of the Georgian presidential administration.

In particular, over the course of an hour and a half, hundreds of messages were sent to the president’s page with the text that Saakashvili was an Armenian by nationality, that his wife Sandra Rulovs was an employee of the American special services, and that the Georgian people deserved a better president.

Currently, the president’s web page has been cleared of hacker messages and is working as usual, Interfax reports.

I SUGGEST EVERYONE WHO HAS A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT TO GO TO HIS PAGE AND (F.A.S.R.A.T. THERE)...
THOSE. TO TELL YOUR OPINION... ! ! !

[Aleks23]

ties will be customized soon

[mechanic33]

when at last the Georgian people will realize that Saakashvili’s policy will lead them to a cesspool

[Tyumen]

Petty, petty revenge on a common past. If Saakashvili could, he would probably start a new reckoning from his own inauguration.

[Speedy]

THERE WAS NOTHING SACRED .... SCARRIES !!!

[bob]

Mikhail Srakashvili a rare bastard

[aironfirst]

well, why so, he's "psychic"

[abeluk]

Continuing Saakashlili's logic: if they demolished the monument to the soldiers who died in the Patriotic War, then they need to erect a monument to the fascists, Hitler! It's a pity that such relations exist with Georgia, I studied and lived in the same room with them for 5 years, basically normal guys! There they have their own nationality on each mountain, all different in character.

[suharev-52]

There is no political will in the Russian leadership. If Medvedev and Putin had independence, the Georgian issue could have been closed before 8.08., but the US did not allow this to be done. And the option is simple. The so-called "thieves in law" and wealthy Georgians are gathered from all over Russia along the FSB line. And they are given a deadline to resolve the issue with Sukoshvilli. What methods are used is not our problem. Failure to complete the task automatically makes them candidates for eviction and liquidation of business in Russia with confiscation. Do you think they would not have resolved this issue?

[arhipelag]

+1 decided, still decided

[plotnikov561956]

Quote: suharev - 52

The leadership of Russia has no political will.

Don't hurry, dear.. The Georgians themselves will demolish Mishiko. You know the mountain respect for elders. The old people weren't fooled.. You just need help, so that their patience snaps. It's good to pump up their fuel and energy complex, we almost don't have our own. Add a couple more moments and things will go. I think the oil painting will be in a year (Putin's election as president)

[negabaritnyy]

Tell me, why is there such a link to the presidential election? Will Putin come, after March 4th? Has something changed?

[aironfirst]

interesting idea!

[Antoxa]

From dope, they don’t know where to put themselves.

[SIA]

It is always easier to fight with monuments, he came, blew up, crumbled with jackhammers. Only then, how will he look into the eyes of his people? Or what, shame will not eat smoke-eyes? Does not give him rest 08.08.08.

[Anatoly]

If the Georgian people are silent and this allows, then they are no better than Saakashvili himself!

[sergo0000]

So after all, for his shame, he tear himself away from the people’s memory, But forget others for shame. He studied in the USA, but they are not used to considering themselves guilty of other peoples! Damned their mother!

[maksim]

all to deport to the Baltic states !!!

[101]

What we have ruined We not only ruined monuments and temples We rewrite history with each new power under the new fathers and people suffer nothing and vote for everything So we need to think about our souls And the Georgians act meanly and we Russians do not really cry about grandfathers then in funnels of their bodies are scattered Only and we can spray with saliva

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: 101

What broke We ourselves not only ruins monuments and temples

WE UNDERSTANDED THEIR MISTAKES, AND RESTORATE THE CHURCHES, AND FIND THE FALLING WARRIORS AND TAKE THE LAND, FOR WHICH THEY LIVED THEIR LIFE.

[101]

Don’t lie, you didn’t realize anything without a command from the top, And we don’t stop breaking and renaming, and with this power, and ashamed to minus the truth, it really is

[tor11121]

Well, they spit on what is sacred. On the graves of their fathers! There is no limit to cynicism and swinishness. I don't even know what to call it, I'm in shock. I'll say one thing. Without the past, there is no future. Woe to the people who forget the memory of their ancestors.

[sergei]

let them demolish if they do not respect their ancestors.

[SlavaS]

Fritz all keep coming

[755962]

Destroying historical monuments, destroying history itself .... And this is in Georgia where old people and grandfathers are honored, those who laid their heads .. SHAME!

[Andrey_K]

Georgians are slowly but surely heading for the abyss - when their name becomes a household name (like the Jews).
They apparently do not know what a "charm" it is to be a nation of renegades.
They are already considered a nation of "thieves in law", "homosexuals" (judging by anecdotes) ... soon they will still be considered people who do not respect their own ancestors.
What will they finally have?
They probably think that the title of "enemy of Russia" is so honorable that it will outweigh everything else?

[AlexiusKit]

The litter is a piece of trash, nothing is sacred... a puny nothing

[Nymp]

Not so long ago they opened a museum of “Soviet occupation”, this is what they exchange monuments to Soviet soldiers for! Further, more, they will erect monuments to the “soldiers” of the Georgian “SS” unit and other fascist henchmen, as in the Baltic states.

[Goldpirate]

What are you yelling about here?????????? Hysteria, dirt and bile, like women, damn it, "it should have been like this" "it should have been like that" come on, bomb, kill and destroy, stop chatting and talking nonsense and show your true colors on this forum. And the more and the more often you call Georgians "pigs" and "scum", the further we will be from you (although I am mostly Russian, but I will even be glad of it), further not from Russia, but from such a culture and level of respect for neighbors. Horror, some monument was torn down, damn it, there were idolaters here, all you hear is "holy" "holy". Since when did the memory of the war replace your faith? It's not about monuments, but about people, and I think you know very well how your war veterans live and how they are treated, that story about how a man was burned on the eternal flame is worth something, but our veterans (and old people in general) have always been respected and are respected not only by ordinary people, but also by the state. Veterans for the most part don't give a damn about these monuments, a monument can be rebuilt (you'd better remember how many churches and temples your authorities demolished in Russia in the twenties of the last century, and then came to us and also began to rob and destroy churches and temples), the main thing is that people remember what they did for the world and the present and helped them live what was left for them. You yourself will learn to respect your old people and veterans and only then teach others to live. HYSTERICS

[district_kz1]

How will the new generation remember if all the monuments are demolished?

[Nymp]

Quote: Goldpirat

from such a culture and degree of respect for neighbors.

You have beautifully respected your neighbors South Ossetia and Abkhazia! Culture at its best! So he’s drawn to you after that! Learn culture!

[mechanic33]

and your monuments, and our churches and temples in the 20s, were demolished by anti-national puppets to please overseas sponsors and puppeteers. In short, we walked and walk on the same rake

[Goldpirate]

Then why the... are you pretending to be saints now, and about the Georgians... they are "pigs" "scum" and "" or what, are the Russian authorities or the people really all so white and fluffy or what? What are you showing off for? Monuments are important to you, but for us they are just stones and people are more important. Everyone has their own values, you better remember how many times history has been rewritten in Russia to please the authorities.
And you can shove your disadvantages up your ass, damn it, I found a “white race” here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Novosibirsky]

You betrayed the Russians who saved you from the Persians, now you are betraying your ancestors who fought for your future against fascism, if this continues, you will betray your children for 30 pieces of silver!
For me personally, the word "Georgian" becomes synonymous with the word "traitor"! And somewhere deep in your soul you understand who you really are! And it's scary!
That's all, and no “hysteria, dirt and bile”... Only the truth! Concentrated truth! Eat! According to your deeds there will be reward...

[Eugene]

A monument to soldiers is always a monument. It cannot be broken.

The monument to the “Guardian” was erected by Nicholas II, no one touched it.

Monuments on the Borodino Field were also not touched, I read that during the defense of Moscow in 1941, the Red Army units transferred the banners of the Russian army from the museum of the war of 12. To raise morale. And the first thing that comes to mind when remembering the Patriotic War is Borodino, Kutuzov, Bagration (I hope his nationality is known), Barclay de Tolly.

One of the most famous pre-war films about Prince Alexander Nevsky.

Can you give more examples of attitudes towards native history that are the same under any regime?

[negabaritnyy]

I wonder why Russia has bothered you so much? I went to the Caucasus only because of you, Stalin seemed to be yours too, and in the USSR the standard of living was the highest. And even now in Russia your life is not bad! Why are you so angry at Russia?

[Roman 75]

Quote: Goldpirat

...for us these are just stones and people are more important.

Come on, come on, about the attitude towards people in Georgia - in more detail, please!
Batumi is my hometown, I still have a lot of acquaintances there, so tell someone else about “people are more important”!
What is this “importance” expressed in?
Is it that the coastal strip and some parts of the center have been built up with hotels? Yeah, this greatly affected the quality of life of the townspeople....
Or that the fashionable Palace of Justice was destroyed? Of course, this is a sign of concern for ordinary people...
Or maybe all sorts of water parks and restaurants are an indicator of how the government cares about the people?
Can you tell us what pensions are like in Georgia? Will you announce the unemployment rate? Can you name the percentage of those who left the country to work outside the country?
But this is not the main thing!
Your leadership is killing the soul of the people, that’s what’s scary!
If for the sake of building a cable car (by the way, can you explain how it will stretch across the bay to Cape Verde?) a monument to the dead is destroyed, what kind of people are these?! And are these people?!

[Nymp]

Quote: Roman-75

Your leadership is killing the soul of the people, that’s what’s scary!
If for the sake of building a cable car (by the way, can you explain how it will stretch across the bay to Cape Verde?) a monument to the dead is destroyed, what kind of people are these?! And are these people?!

Well done, I couldn't do that! It gives me goosebumps! I support. And then the question: -Why did the Georgian people choose him (Saakashvili) again? Why doesn't he throw off this American puppet? There is something to think about.

[Roman 75]

Quote: Nymp

...then the question is: -Why did the Georgian people choose him (Saakashvili) again? Why doesn't he throw off this American puppet? There is something to think about.

Lord, the people there are so screwed up by life that they dogshvili Saakashvili will agree, and to hell with the horns!
In addition, the older generation, who remembers the Soviet Union, has either already passed away, moved away, or has been pushed to the margins of life. And young people, especially those who were born after 1991, are thoroughly brainwashed. Most of them have nothing to compare with what is poured into them from zombie boxes and shoved into them on the Internet. And many do not even know the Russian language, or know it so poorly that they simply cannot perceive information from Russian-language sources...

[Nymp]

Roman 75,

Quote: Roman-75

In addition, the older generation, who remembers the Soviet Union, has either already passed away, moved away, or has been pushed to the margins of life. And young people, especially those who were born after 1991, are thoroughly brainwashed. Most of them have nothing to compare with what is poured into them from zombie boxes and shoved into them on the Internet. And many do not even know the Russian language, or know it so poorly that they simply cannot perceive information from Russian-language sources...

I agree, I just have nothing to add to this.

[SIA]

For your current generation, your grandfathers and fathers gave their lives so that you could live. It’s your business how you live, and who did the monument disturb? These are not just stones, they are the memory of the people. And this memory is being crushed with jackhammers.

[slas]

Quote: Goldpirat

Monuments are important for you, for us they are just stones and people are more important.

Yes, yes, in Tskhinvali they saw your culture of lovers of fine art

Quote: Goldpirat

And you can shove your disadvantages up your ass, damn it, I found a “white race” here

what they taught me to put in there - I probably liked it ? Well, push and shove, and we’ll protect the stone monuments here at home

[Dart weyder]

Save money for the Grad system - go shooting across Tskhinvali! It’s not for you to beat the Germans, it would be better to remain silent.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: Goldpirat

for us these are just stones and people are more important

THIS MONUMENT WAS BUILT WITH THE PEOPLE'S MONEY, THEN THERE WAS PEOPLE'S MONEY IN THE USSR, BUT HERE YOU ARE USING AMERICAN MONEY.

[mongol-79]

I look like you’re getting really excited, there’s no need to be so foamy, or are you acting as a lawyer? But you can’t argue against the majority, but they are rightly downvoted because you don’t need to write all sorts of crap, but you need to know and honor your history regardless of nationality, otherwise some leaders have forgotten about it, and the people don’t like it.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Goldpirat

Everyone has their own values

The Strasbourg European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) issued a verdict in the case of the brutal murder of banker Sandro Girgvliani. It is recognized that Georgian police are to blame for the banker's death.
The Georgian government is obliged to pay 50 thousand euros to the family of Sandro Girgvliani within 3 months. Moreover, the European judges pointed to numerous violations during the investigation and attempts by the highest level authorities, including Mikheil Saakashvili himself, to shield the criminals.
“Based on the evidence received, the court declares that the investigation into the murder of Sandro Girgvliani was not sufficiently independent and objective and did not take into account the circumstances of the case,” the court said in an official statement.
The European Themis was surprised by the “cohesive actions” of various branches of government that opposed fair justice being carried out. Also revealed were shortcomings in the investigation by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, negligence of the prosecutor's office, illegal conduct of the trial, release of the accused ahead of schedule and pardon by the president.
“The state tolerates actions that threaten life, which will contribute to the violence that occurred in this case,” the ECtHR concludes.

[Hippopotamus]

Monuments are important for you, for us they are just stones and people are more important.

Shut the gate! Are people important to you? You should think about the veterans, Pin0s lackeys!

[plotnikov561956]

Quote: Goldpirat

What are you up to here?????????? Hysteria, dirt and bile, like damn women, “it should have been this way” “it should have been that way” come on, come and bomb,

Well, you've gone too far, my dear. They come and bomb - that's a question for the valiant Georgian army. Memory is gone - August 2008 should be remembered for a long time
Our veterans are our issue and it is being resolved with dignity in Russia.
And the fact that the children and grandchildren of your veterans killed women and children in Ossetia, these are your blood brothers, what excuse can you come up with for this? They talked here about why they didn’t take Tbilisi in 2008. They just gave the people a chance to decide for themselves. Putin is much wiser than it seems. take a closer look, especially the look is good. similar to the look of your worthy fellow countryman from Gori. And you do a reassessment of values; sometimes it doesn’t hurt to carry out an audit. this is my opinion. Advice is expensive.
I think your elders will straighten the brains of the presumptuous scum that is trampling the honor of the Georgian people of the descendants of George Saakadze and Stalin

[Goldpirate]

No, in my opinion, your memory has been lost, the children and grandchildren of your veterans killed women and children in Chechnya (which has been proven more than once). And as for the presumptuous scum, should you provide links to fascist and nationalist organizations in Russia? Or murders based on nationality? Or maybe we gathered Russian citizens into herds like you did Georgians in 2006 and transported them on a cargo plane? Or maybe we have skinheads here? Here you are pretending to be somebody, like remembering the past, but who have you become now? We don’t have a single fascist organization; if there are murders, they are only domestic ones. How scared you are to look at yourself and your truth......

[desava]

Were you in Chechnya at that time? Have you seen this? Or did they tell you this on TV?

[negabaritnyy]

No, in my opinion, your memory has been lost, the children and grandchildren of your veterans killed women and children in Chechnya (which has been proven more than once)

Who proved it? Sakakashvili?

[plotnikov561956]

No need to distort the cards. You are right about skinheads, but Russia broke Hitler's back in 45 and will break it with this. Regarding Chechnya, that is a separate issue.
which Comrade Stalin closed at 44 and our marked traitor allowed the bandits
carry out a massacre. Look at the root cause. Yes.. about Ossetia.. it seems like I missed something. Yes, okay, I understand. But I’ll say one thing about the SS “Totenkopf” division to your warriors in terms of courage, like before the moon, and in terms of other feats, they can be praised at the same level
worthy students, and you run fast like the Americans in the Ardennes

[Nymp]

Quote: Goldpirat

We don’t have a single fascist organization; if there are murders, they are only domestic ones.

Yes, you don’t need fascist organizations if you have a fascist government! And the genocide of the Ossetian and Abkhaz people is like this for you: - “domestic murders”

[BAT]

Shelling peaceful neighborhoods of Tskhinvali with Grad multiple launch rocket systems is not fascism, it is much worse. This is exactly what resembles mass murder based on nationality. This is real Nazism. Well, Abkhazians and Ossetians do not want to live in "modern" Georgia, where real genocide is being carried out against these peoples. Where is your democracy? What, do we need to return them to Georgia with missile strikes and tank attacks? Now you have shown your true face. This is not a face, it is a beast's grin. You are the fascists.

[timurpl]

Do you know (not genatsvali) why you don’t have fascist organizations - because they cannot exist within a fascist state, it’s like butter! and after August 08.08.08 - whose cow would moo...!
-How do you like the idea of ​​dumping all the monuments of your asshole sculptor here?! We don’t mind and will even help - they’re just stones!

[Reva3113]

Quote: Goldpirat

We don’t have a single fascist organization; if there are murders, they are only domestic ones. How scared you are to look at yourself and your truth......

I completely agree, neither Ossetians nor Abkhazians are under pressure in Georgia like other national minorities living in Russia

[Vadivak]

Quote: Goldpirat

how did you Georgians in 2006 and transport them on a cargo plane?

In 2006, citizens of Georgia who were in the Russian Federation without a visa or with expired visas were deported to their homeland by planes of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, for violating the law of the Russian Federation they were simply taken away, without punishment, free of charge, why are you so worried about this? Were there ethnic Georgians among those deported? Moreover, the Strasbourg Court emphasized that the recognition of the admissibility of the consideration of the complaint of the Georgian government is in no way a prerequisite for its further satisfaction

[slas]

Quote: Goldpirat

No, in my opinion, your memory has been lost, the children and grandchildren of your veterans killed women and children in Chechnya (which has been proven more than once). And as for the presumptuous scum, should you provide links to fascist and nationalist organizations in Russia?

stick the links in you know where you love this stuff but seriously, we have as witnesses our relatives who were slaughtered in your 51,52,53st, 90nd, XNUMXrd, etc. states of America since the XNUMXs and XNUMXs, so you would barely keep quiet, Gusky.

[Hippopotamus]

He drives the devil without knowing either history or facts. Anglo-fascist Murzilka replaces conscience... People, don’t pay attention! Don't waste time arguing with holy fools.

[slas]

Quote: Goldpirat

And the more and the more often you call Georgians “pigs” and “scum”, the farther we will be from you (although I’m mostly Russian, but I’ll be glad about that), farther not from Russia, but from such a culture and degree of respect for neighbors.

how your masters sound like you and respond No one calls Georgians pigs, but they talk about the pigish behavior of your godfathers Feel the difference, at least LusskyGoldpirate Remember South Ossetia, our cultural one

[Goldpirate]

Read the forum carefully and you will find it. Listen, why are you being so stupid here? I don’t have “godfathers”, I don’t have bosses or owners, I don’t defend anyone and don’t stand up for anyone, I just want to show you that you can also be wrong, before you write something like this, you should look at yourself, at your mistakes, for the same Chechnya. And also, if you think that people live here who forgot the Second World War, then come on, you give links to fascist organizations in Georgia, and I’m in Russia, and let’s see who remembers history better, okay?

[Roman 75]

Quote: Goldpirat

Read the forum carefully and you will find it. Listen, why are you being so stupid here? I don’t have “godfathers”, I don’t have bosses or owners, I don’t defend anyone and don’t stand up for anyone, I just want to show you that you can also be wrong, before you write something like this, you should look at yourself, at your mistakes, for the same Chechnya. And also, if you think that people live here who forgot the Second World War, then come on, you give links to fascist organizations in Georgia, and I’m in Russia, and let’s see who remembers history better, okay?

No, I like this translation of the arrows!
What do the Nazis in Russia and, especially, Chechnya have to do with the demolition of monuments in Georgia?!

[Dart weyder]

no need for links, your president, who started the war (or rather the extermination of a neighboring nation, because Georgians are a white race compared to Ossetians, or whatever you said!???) is enough, he started it during the Olympic Games, so links to some non-governmental organizations are dust, but the website of your government and president is like the website of Adolf and the Gestapo of the 21st century!

[olegyurjewitch]

WHAT METHODS DID YOU FIGHT WITH YOUR OPPOSITION, AND WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WENT TO RALLIES AGAINST SAAKASHVILI? NOTHING? WE ARE FOR OUR OWN
WE WILL RESPOND TO MISTAKES AS WE RECOGNIZE THEM AND TRY TO PREVENT THEM IN THE FUTURE. WILL YOU ANSWER? NOT TO THE US STATE DEPARTMENT FOR THE USE OF CREDITS, BUT TO THOSE WHOSE MEMORY YOU BETRAYED.

[timurpl]

In short, “we” don’t see the log in our own eye...Yes? Tell me about the base in the Panki Gorge... I'm sorry, we didn't greet them with flowers on this side!

[Goldpirate]

Believe me, if there were bases there and the Russian side had a real desire to destroy them, then no one would have stopped them.

[timurpl]

And as if something like this had never happened, our Air Force commander in those years lost his tongue to bullshit that “Our planes did not fly in this place and for this period of time...”

[Vadivak]

Quote: Goldpirat

And also, if you think that people live here who forgot the Second World War, then come on, you will provide links to fascist organizations in Georgia,

On May 20, the Georgian parliament adopted the Freedom Charter, according to which a state commission will be created to register former employees of the Soviet secret services, and former high-ranking party officials and Komsomol members will be prohibited from working in responsible positions.

The names of settlements that are related to the Soviet past will also be changed.

Please comment

[slas]

Quote: Goldpirat

Read the forum carefully and you will find

Well, I read it carefully a second time, maybe we really will find it and what? You're talking nonsense, barely Lusky. And I repeat *Nobody calls Georgians pigs, but they talk about the pig behavior of your bosses* and he still raises feathers

[olegyurjewitch]

LISTEN HERE, NOT SOME MONUMENT, BUT A MONUMENT IN HONOR OF YOUR FALLEN CITIZENS, SO THAT YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN LIVED WELL, WHEN THEY DIE, THEY BELIEVE IN A BRIGHT FUTURE. AND THE MEMORY OF THE WAR IS THE MEMORY OF OUR GRANDFATHERS, FATHERS, OF THE UNBORN GENERATION, THE MEMORY OF THE Grief THAT THE WAR BROUGHT TO EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION, AND FAITH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

[Hippopotamus]

Haha. Chicken brains are the easiest to wash! Now it’s clear why Georgia so quickly fell under the boot of the amers - you have too many fools there, and rednecks in the government. And you quickly forgot that if it weren’t for Russia, Georgia wouldn’t exist at all now. Like a drunk girl. Never mind, a hangover is just around the corner. Boo-ha-ga.

[bashkort]

Guys, imagine the situation that in your country, in a small town, such a monument is dismantled. Do you think that a bunch of people will take to the streets against this? Not a damn thing like that! They eat it and don’t choke, no matter how sad it is.

[aironfirst]

Will you go out yourself? Or will you run to the computer and comment on how cowardly and indifferent everyone is?

[slas]

Quote: bashkort

They eat it and don’t choke, no matter how sad it is.

don't judge by yourself

[andrklimanov]

I wonder what is the motivation driving AAKASHVILI? After all, it’s not just the post of President of Georgia (received from the USA) and not money that motivates him? Where does this HATE for Russia and the USSR come from? after all, he must have an ultimate goal, I can still understand some Bandera member whose ancestor fought against the USSR and he is now taking revenge, but why are Georgians trying to survive? If it weren’t for Russia, Georgia would not have existed long ago.

[aironfirst]

[old rocket man]

andrklimanov,
Yes, the fact of the matter is that schizophrenics have no motivation, there is simply an obsession and in such severe cases it cannot be treated, he must be isolated, or better yet, hang him by the scrotum, as they advised here

[Dart weyder]

what kind of Georgian is he!??? his wife is an agent of influence, he himself is also from the Thane, even, to make it morally easier, he renamed the country to the state of the USA - Georgija! Even Yushchenko didn’t drive like that, otherwise I imagine - now Utah will curl us up, not Ukraine

[district_kz1]

they just fuck ass America

[dr. Mengele]

What else can Ssykashvili do? only to carry out petty dirty tricks in retaliation, especially since he knows that if something happens, the Americans will throw him away and throw him out with all his giblets

[dark silver]

*he who forgets his past loses his future* to be honest, I don’t remember who said it, but this phrase says it all =(

[aironfirst]

I don't know what to say, nothing but swearing...
I wonder how much patience the Georgian people will have? This is a spit on the sacred - the memory of our ancestors!
P.S. Yes, and where is this "Proud Georgian bird - Aryol"? Not visible on this thread, I'd like to ask him now what he'll chirp about this...

[alex21411]

Just a bastard, God forgive me...

[nokki]

In general, all this smacks of necrophilia. Yes, yes, exactly that, and not vandalism or ordinary vengefulness. And what: he started with a tie - he ends up dead!

[VadimSt]

It is reasonable to ask questions about the memory of ancestors. Almost 80 thousand Georgians did not return from the fronts of the Second World War! Where are their ancestors and respect, why didn’t they stand up for themselves?

I’ll answer it myself. 5756 thousand Russians and 1377,4 thousand Ukrainians did not return from the WWII fronts. Today, both in Russia and Ukraine there are supporters of neo-fascism, reports systematically appear in the media about facts of vandalism at military graves (and not only household ones - associated with metal robbers), facts of demolition of monuments are widely known:

1. The monument to the heroes of the Great Patriotic War in Stavropol was the first to be demolished in 2007. There they dismantled a 30-meter monument to the Dovator heroes (the Cossacks, who, under the leadership of General Lev Dovator, liberated the city from the Nazis/
2. In Aprelevka, near Moscow, in connection with the expansion of the Kyiv highway, a monument to the pilot Lieutenant Vasily Fedorovich Poidenko, a Ukrainian who defended Moscow, was demolished.
3. In Khimki, a monument to soldiers of the Great Patriotic War was destroyed. In addition, the burial places of six Heroes of the Soviet Union were excavated - the planned expansion of the Leningradskoye Highway, a hundred meters from the former burial site of the soldiers.
4. The stela-monument to Soviet paratroopers, installed on the embankment of the city of Sudak, on the site where participants of the Kerch-Feodosia landing operation landed in 1942, was dismantled by decision of the executive committee of the city council.
5. In the city of Komarno, Lviv region, a monument to Soviet soldiers was demolished.

And the list goes on, across all CIS countries, cities, villages - there is neither time nor space for the entire forum, there is simply not enough!
A shame? Yes! Ashamed? Yes! It's a shame? Yes! And the conclusion is that, first of all, you need to not look at someone else’s yard, but to establish your own household!

[old rocket man]

VadimSt,
I wrote the truth, but I can’t raise my hand to put it

[VadimSt]

Oh, I wasn’t worried too much when I looked through hundreds of such messages - all over the CIS!

[Eugene]

Yes, the truth is bitter, but no matter how cynical it may sound, we have more monuments and evidence of the war... And the antics of individual “managers” are not capable of significantly influencing the perception of that war... we play a lot of films about that war, sometimes they are filming something new, with varying degrees of success, there is May 9, parades on May 9 and November 7. But all this is not there, these are all perhaps the last reminders of that war, because the media denigrates everything, schoolchildren’s textbooks write about the occupiers... .There is a difference.

[lado-6060]

called up 700. killed 000

[timurpl]

It was a mistake, dear lover of truth - in Stavropol, the stele to the Dovatortsy heroes was not demolished, but removed for restoration... and for half a year now it has been in its rightful place! Come see for yourself...

[wasjasibirjac]

well - they have the right to transfer and destroy. And we have the right to evaluate these actions. And I hope to hold you accountable

[LiRoy]

Putin promised to rebuild a monument to us that was demolished by the Georgians in Kutaisi in 2009, but it was never built, otherwise it would have been a good move in relation to the Georgians.

[Novosibirsky]

By the way!
"Soldier, it's a knock-on"!
He rarely speaks or does anything at all! But here... Not serious.

[plotnikov561956]

I think it will fix...there are a lot of things to do.

[timurpl]

So it seems like they’ve already “corrected” it... in Moscow on Poklonnaya Hill... although it’s just like it was and not quite in natural size, but it’s there!!!

[old rocket man]

Novosibirsky,
I don’t understand who gave you a minus and why, it’s really a mistake, I think it will rebuild, not all at once +

[Novosibirsky]

Quote: Old Rocketman

Novosibirets,
I don’t understand who slapped you with a minus

Rocketeer, buddy, this math is “violet” for me. I don't play it.

[Novosibirsky]

Quote: Old Rocketman

I think it will rebuild, not all at once

I already think it won’t rebuild... There was plenty of time.

[Hedgehog]

For you all

[Mercury]

I remember reading once that most Nazis were never even tried. Even after 45, in the West they were quite deliberately exported to Argentina, Brazil, and other Honduras... Well, the most talented (especially those who carried out experiments on our children) were taken under their wing. Of course, they didn’t sit there idle... They worked, tried, invented new methods of infanticide... Not with their own hands - why dirty their gloves on dirty Russians? if you can find a dude on the street and involve him in brilliant experiments on studying the psychology of homosapiens...
They will kill us.
They will raise our children to be those who will kill us, our fathers, their children, and grandchildren.
They will give us power, which we ourselves will carry in our arms, while their noble imported wives will adjust the lists of their tomorrow's victims every day.
They will catch our children, disembowel them, and our organs will go in an inexorable stream to the white tables of noble Western surgeons...
They will destroy our temples with the hands of our zombies... They will destroy our books. They will destroy our fields, driving us into concrete caves with a bright sign “Sex and Gluttony.”
They will demolish our cemeteries - why litter the earth if the corpse can simply be burned?
They will regularly check our age, and kill old people tenderly, so as not to spend more than he gave...
We will watch and accept all this... watch and accept... relaxed and with pleasure...
REMEMBER, IVAN: WHEN YOU DIE, THEY WILL JUST BURN YOU YOUR CHILDREN. YOU WILL NOT LIE IN THE MOTHER EARTH NEXT TO YOUR ANCESTORS. THIS WILL NOT BE YOUR LAND...

[Eugene]

Who do we mean by Nazis?
Guderian lived and taught quietly in the GDR after the war.
Von Braun is the father of the American space program.

Should they have been killed?

[Mercury]

Quote: Mercury

those who experimented on our children

would you leave them like that? :) engineers, generals, who themselves surrendered and repented - you can still leave them. but I wouldn’t dare leave THESE...

[SAVA555.IVANOV]

And what about Guderian!? Studied in Kazan. "Our man", supplied scrap metal, not very skillful in management, in general helped as much as he could )))

[vovan100]

animals. Their ancestors fought against the Nazis, defended their homeland, the future of their children, and these “children” are destroying the memory of people who laid down their lives so that these scum could live............. ........................................................ ......???

[lado-6060]

A park in memory of the victims of World War II will appear in Batumi

TBILISI, February 24. A park dedicated to the memory of the victims of World War II will be opened on Sergi Meskhi Street in Batumi (Autonomous Republic of Adjara). As Novosti-Georgia reports, this was stated by the head of the legal department of the Batumi City Council - Sakrebulo Suliko Shventidze.

“The park, dedicated to the memory of the victims of the Second World War, will be laid out on an area of ​​more than 3 hectares. The park will appear in a green zone, which recently received the status of a public garden,” Shventidze said.

According to him, in the near future the Batumi mayor's office will announce a competition for a sketch of a park, as well as a memorial to the victims of World War II, which will be erected in the park.

“At this stage, the relevant documentation is being prepared to announce the competition. We believe that the construction of the park will be completed before the end of the year,” Shventidze noted.

The memorial, which will be installed in the park, will replace the obelisk in memory of the victims of World War II, which was dismantled at the intersection of Gogebashvili and Chavchavadze avenues in the center of Batumi.

“The dismantled obelisk is unsuitable for moving to a new park; it does not correspond to today’s reality. Moreover, it is impossible to move the obelisk from a purely technical point of view. Therefore, we decided to install a new memorial in the new park,” said Shventidze.

At the site of the obelisk there will be a cable car that will connect Batumi with Mount Anori. A two-kilometer cable car will be stretched from the city coast to Mount Anori, and the relocation of the obelisk is due precisely to this.

More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2012/02/24/949786.html

[VadimSt]

Memory, conscience! Which one and from whom?

In the photo Shadrinsk, Kurgan region.

Oh, you can’t call these vandals anymore - they’re criminals!
In the center of Ufa, Akhmet-Zaki Validi Street appeared, who, having emigrated from the USSR, during the war years personally selected personnel for the Muslim SS division formed by the Germans in 1943, which operated on the territory of Belarus.


Ah, these are newly minted ideologists! From the statement of Mr. Zhirinovsky (25.02.12): - “We focus on young people, they do not have the burden of the past”!

[Sapper]

Saakashvili should have been like Dudayeva in 2008. Maybe another president would be smarter.

[Goldpirate]

I’m missing something, Dear Administration, are you blind or will you indulge such “politically correct” comments? Why...... were the rules introduced here? Or is the policy of criticism and filtering of comments one-sided or something?
And for such ardent hysterics, before you criticize someone, and even with such hatred and bile, take a better look at what you and your authorities are condoning in your own Russia......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MntShZJD-K8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQg1JVYcgE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anjYFvVrTJ0&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgzycQ_mzeo&feature=related&skipcontrinter=1

[SIA]

We need to catch up faster. You yourself are spewing bile here, the monuments have somehow interfered with you.

[Goldpirate]

This is not bile but righteous anger, or do you yourself enjoy it when someone tries to teach you how to live???????? Have you seen the comments to articles where America or the West is trying to condemn the actions of the Russian authorities? As they say in Russia, "You don't go to someone else's monastery with your own rules." Your ancestors were clearly smarter. And also, if such a wonderful thing as a mirror, I advise you to look there more often.

[timurpl]

Don’t flatter yourself - there is already someone to teach you...bucks fans! The Russian "barbarians" left and left behind you developed industry and universal education...
-And as for our ancestors...if you knew how your gratitude would come back to haunt you, you would have thought 200 times before you created your own state and got 3 wars for it!

[Goldpirate]

You don't see reality and it's very sad................

[SAVA555.IVANOV]

Quote: Goldpirat

Or are you pleased when someone tries to teach you how to live?????????

This is what dependency led to, a subsidized republic, they lived at our expense!? Live now through the memory of our dead. But remember, they don’t joke with graves and monuments, especially sacred ones for our people!!!!

[Vadivak]

Quote: Goldpirat

Dear administration, are you blind or will you indulge in such “politically correct” comments?

Here are your words from previous posts, what rules should be applied to you?

Are the Russian authorities or the people really all so white and fluffy or what? Why are you freaking out here? Monuments are important to you, but to us they are just stones.

[Goldpirate]

Whatever you want, I really don’t care what you do for my words, you can at least block me, I still won’t budge from my views.

[vovan100]

You’re a Western prostitute, everyone understands why you’re here........eat pineapples, chew hazel grouse, soon you’ll die, damned bourgeois.”

[lado-6060]

maybe this will sober up

[Alexei-]

You can drink away this old joke. Yes, we had something similar in the 90s: they threw beer bottles at my army Ural, they took conscripts out the back door, and DJs on the radio during the 2nd Chechen War screamed not to serve... but the people DID NOT ACCEPT this abomination, I tell you, they carried it out through themselves, their family

[bashkort]

Yes, they devalued the title, just as the Order of Victory was once given to those who fought against us.

[vezunchik]

But they are Christians - but they desecrate the memory! The tie-eater will end badly...

Ordinary fascism - their masters are fascists, they destroy civilians, And they are just monuments..

[Kochetkov.serzh]

in one word there is no other way to say it!

[SAVA555.IVANOV]

The Bidzheriki are burning, "World War II", their grandfathers died together with the English in the steppes of Ukraine (for example)!!??

[Dmitry.V]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drswZVgcvnc просто им за снос еще 1 пообещали, копить то долго.

[riv8888]

Are there really no people left there who remember their grandfathers and fathers?!

[papss]

Tell me, brother, why are we so careless?
Don't believe in God? Do we believe ourselves?
And who said that life will not be eternal?
And that there will be no heaven on earth?

Tell me why the laws of the universe
Are we trampling and waging war?
Isn't it better to start creating?
We will live as we wish.

Tell me brother, who are our ideals?
Who to believe and who to follow?
Perhaps foreign vandals
Will they indicate the direction of the journey?

Or maybe call the dollar - dad, mom?
Perhaps he is our main ideal?
Sell ​​color. meth, forests, scarlet flower,
Everything that once called homeland.
As I write, many have already voted for the article. Or rather, for his attitude towards her. I would like to ask those whose forces, 9 for, do you, no matter how you feel about the current situation between Russia and Georgia, think normal to destroy monuments? Here many people write that after death, no one will remember, etc. And how YOU will be received there, let's start with the fallen Georgians, 80000 of them died. And what did these people leave behind?
The time will come, the tie eater will get what he deserves. Not in this world, so in the next. But in people's memory he will remain a murderer and a vandal.

[Vadivak]

Quote: papss

will get what he deserves. Not in this world, so in the next.

....For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you...

[viruskvartirus]

Damn, this is already too much... it defies logic or comprehension, damn, if after this the Georgians don’t see who is leading them, then I don’t know...

[Reva3113]

xo4eca mapisat privet vsem tut izvenite za klavu net eio na kompe no kto xatjab v 6kole u4ilsja pra4tiot. snimaut pametnik nu i 6to vas besit tut u vas toje snimaut ili razrisovivaut svastikami gruzini axueli nu i 6to vam est granica uze vi v cxinvali i v soxumi 6to nado vam e6o ja ponjal va6 prezident lu4she 4em gruzinski nu raduites emu xvalite evo tut bi lo pravelno skazano vi tut kak spletnici vo dvare sidite a tolkom ne 6arite 4o praisxodit v realnosti

[Russich]

What did you expect, this is no longer Georgia... but "Georgia", and they are preparing a place for monuments to the Americans who will be beaten up in Iran

[Reva3113]

na angliskom eto georgia na ruskom eto gruzija mi zaviom eio sakartvelo arabi zavut gurgistan.

[SAVA555.IVANOV]

Wow, don’t forget what the Arabs call them!!! It will come in handy. Or among the Turks, with these you won’t get along, it’s a pity ((How well you dance, sing songs, “Mimino” alone is worth it!! Now make a film about the adventures of a Georgian in New York, although it’s unlikely to turn out so warm and cheerful, sorry!!!!Bagration is shaking his finger at you from heaven, come to your senses!!??

[SF93]

Yes, all their ancestors are tossing and turning in their graves with shame so that the earth trembles.

[SF93]

Fucking "victims of the Russian-Soviet occupation." We need to take away all the ties from Georgia, then Misha will die of hunger.

[Odinplys]

RASSAL...
But the Souls of the dead are already following him.....

[Nilfgaard]

In Estonia, after that the whole city was demolished. But the Georgians don’t care. The question is, what is the price for this, so to speak, for the people?

[Reva3113]

V ESTONI MOI DARAGOI ETO ZDELAL RUSKI NAROD, A V GRUZII NET TAKOVA PRACENTA, PAMETNIK OTSTROJAT I POKRASIVEI POVERTE I VI ETO UVIDITE, 6TO KASAECA JERTV 2WW TO KA NA6IOT TEX KTO S NACISTAMI PLE4OM K PLE4U VAEVAL PROTIV K AMUNJAG DABI OSVABADIT GRUZIU OT KOMUNJAG ONI VSEGOTA XATELI SVABODNUIU GRUZIU A IX VISELILI ILI ONI SMAGLI UVERNUCA OT KRASNIX KRAVAPIC, ONI 6TO NE NA6I PREDKI ETA TA KOST INTELIGENCII DAKTAROV U4ITELEI PRAFISAROB KATORIX V TE VREMENA UNI4TAZALI KAMUNJAGI. TO 6TO VI VIDITE SEGODNJA I PI6ITE ETO VA6E PONJATIE ISXODJA6EE S VA6IX NEZNANI ISTORIJA GRUZII O VETERANAX NE NA4INALAS S 40-45 GODOV A GARAZDA GLUBZE.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Reva3113

ONI VSEGOTA XATELI SVABODNUIU GRUZIU

When did Georgia want freedom? In my opinion, her whole story is a search for a strong shoulder, and then betrayal. For centuries - a carbon copy. Even during the revolution they could not resist, they concluded an agreement with the eternal enemy of Russia - Germany, and leased the port for 60 years, it seems. The same thing happened with the collapse of the Union. So, they didn’t want freedom, but a safe and well-fed role as kept women. At the same time, without abandoning attempts to destroy their national minorities.
P.S. Absolutely unbearable to read, do something.

[Reva3113]

4. History is not from the 19th century, but for the 5-6 centuries it has always been like that of the empire when Russia was captured by the Soviet Union, that was the law and I don’t agree, but it has established its own faith, its own churches, its own independence, its own Japanese in Russia, its own people didn’t shine, when in Georgia a poem was written by Vityaz in Tigrove, so no history is needed to show that during the 6 years of rule of the USSR, there were only 70 Turks in Georgia, what a difference both of them had in Georgia, so they don’t think so themselves vot. ana is not a bit dependent on politics but a friend of any gas power plant and I know you are not going to give it to someone else in your area, there is no heat and hospitality here and many of you know this

[Reva3113]

The Georgians always wanted to free themselves and they had the same idea as when they first took over the army. Or when your soldier, during the war with the Turks, in the final battle, deployed his army and sent it to the garrison. You should remember from history where you saw the Georgians in 6.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Reva3113

TEX KTO S NACISTAMI PLE4OM K PLE4U VAEVAL PROTIV KAMUNJAG DABI OSVABADIT GRUZIU OT KOMUNJAG ONI VSEGOTA XATELI SVABODNUIU GRUZIU A IX VISELILI

It’s a pity that Teya wasn’t evicted and it’s even more a pity that she was hung out

[Reva3113]

jilet bude6 after 4 marta pover

[desava]

Reva, if it’s not a secret, whose flag do you have? I have a different opinion about what has developed here.
Soviet times, socialism (and not communism - under it no one would have been indignant in theory) are part of the history of our countries. There were negative sides and there were positive ones. I hope you won't argue here. Why do our fathers and grandfathers say that it was better “before”?...
Let's look at current realities without the past - let's simplify the task.
Is it better for our countries to be friends or to be in confrontation?
Reason or act? Did you mean: complain about life or work silently, work hard and give your maximum to your work?

Everywhere we have negative aspects - we, you, the Americans, the Nicaraguans, the Chinese have elements of nationalism. It can be open or under the “veil” of patriotism.

One of my comments was deleted, where I spoke harshly to the Georgian side, calling them “pithecanthropes.” Maybe that’s right, he got excited.

[Reva3113]

sacializm pokazivali nam takze i vam no kamunjagi delali sacializm nenado mne dakazivat tut 6to sacializm stroilsja ne na kamunizme. u nas bili vse negativnie, pozetivnix gruzia nevidela vovremja etogo vremeni, to 6to kacaeca na6ix otcov i dedov 6to ani gavarili, atve4u tak luboi raditel i paziloi 4elovek sklonen vspaminat svai molodie goda polazitelno luboi eto psixalogia , druzit na6im stranam obezatelno druzit na ravnix pravax toka na ravnix uvazai menja tak kak imee6 silu i pover ja za taboi poidu da i se4as v gruziu luboi pust priedit iz rasii ne kto neskazet plaxova a naabarot klinus eto realnost da i nenuzna eto dakazivat mne vam.a flag eto estonski.

[desava]

Reva, if you don’t mind, I’ll send you a private message.

[viruskvartirus]

I don’t care, here “On Saturday, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, speaking to cadets of the military academy in the city of Gori, said that he is not making a tragedy happen because there are “Russian lackeys” in the country.” http://vz.ru/news/2012/2/25/563987.html

[Reader]

How much of a scoundrel do you have to be to hate your own people so much?
A monument, in essence, to his fellow Georgians who died in the Great Patriotic War.

[polyansky.constantin]

Let's take over Georgia, otherwise they'll go crazy

[SF93]

Just take one head off in Georgia and the monuments will stop collapsing. A people that does not honor its heroic past will perish in an inglorious near future. By the way, Misha’s owners have neither a past nor a future; in general, they live one day at a time. They do not have their own real national heroes, except for Supermen, Batman and other fairy-tale mutants.

[lewerlin53rus]

Yes, the Georgian people were crushing something! If earlier I barely grabbed the dagger, now I grab the tie

[SAVA555.IVANOV]

And they weren't great, it was the NKVD that raised them back under Stalin, I think there were quite a few Georgians in the KGB, especially in Moscow, "thieves in law" participated in the development, most of them were Georgians, while our fathers were building socialism, this bitch helped the authorities control the people with the help of the above-mentioned persons, they were and remain hangers-on

[BOSS]

I don’t understand why, both Russians and Georgians fought the enemy together, so why mock the dead like that? Now, of course, relations between the countries are bad, but what about the soldiers???

[Tyumen]

It would be nice to respond to every monument demolished somewhere by erecting a similar one in Russia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[lewerlin53rus]

Do you remember there is such a film “Father of a Soldier”, about a Georgian who was looking for his son on the fields of the Great Patriotic War? It is the memory of such people that the current generation of Georgians is now betraying.

[VadimSt]

Quote: lewerlin53rus

It is the memory of such people that the current generation of Georgians is now betraying.

The websites already have information, incl. and the video story - not all Georgians agree with this decision, and although a small part, they openly tried to resist this decision! I don’t know whether these are the descendants of 137 Georgians, Heroes of the Soviet Union, or 240 thousand Georgians who were awarded military awards, but they deserve Respect!

Therefore, let's be fair, at least to that part of the population that, in addition to conscience and memory, has another property that is suppressed in many others - they are not afraid to openly oppose the policies pursued by Mishak!

[dobrik10]

It's good that in this country there are still people who understand what kind of sh...t the government of their state is getting into.
With such a policy, the sovereignty of Georgia, both a politically independent state and Georgia itself as a state, is in question.
They get eaten over time.

[Nilfgaard]

Quote: Reva3113

OV ESTONI MOI DARAGOI ETO ZDELAL RUSKI NAROD, A V GRUZII NET TAKOVA PRACENTA, PAMETNIK OTSTROJAT I POKRASIVEI POVERTE I VI ETO UVIDITE, 6TO KASAECA JERTV 2WW TO KA NA6IOT TEX KTO S NACISTAMI PLE4OM K PLE4U VAEVAL PROTIV KAMUNJAG DABI OSVABADIT GRUZIU OT KOMUNJAG ONI VSEGOTA XATELI SVABODNUIU GRUZIU A IX VISELILI ILI ONI SMAGLI UVERNUCA OT KRASNIX KRAVAPIC, ONI 6TO NE NA6I PREDKI ETA TA KOST INTELIGENCII DAKTAROV U4ITELEI PRAFISAROB KATORIX V TE VREMENA UNI4TAZALI KAMUNJAGI. TO 6TO VI VIDITE SEGODNJA I PI6ITE ETO VA6E PONJATIE ISXODJA6EE S VA6IX NEZNANI ISTORIJA GRUZII O VETERANAX NE NA4INALAS S 40-45 GODOV A GARAZDA GLUBZE.

Wasn't your grandfather's name Goebbels?

[Reva3113]

moi ded bil vitiranam 2WW moi otec pensioner soveckoi armii. a gebels i padobnie mogut bit toka tvaimi predkam, nacistov vi vaspituete.

[Tugarin snake]

Putin, Obama and Saakashvili are walking... Suddenly they see Jesus crucified on the cross in front of them. Putin asks:
“Jesus, what is my happiness?”
Jesus:
- Your happiness is that you lifted the country off your knees and made people believe in themselves!
Obama:
“Jesus, what is my happiness?”
Jesus:
- Your happiness is in whiskey, bagels and ranch! , ...
Saakashvili:
“Jesus, what is my happiness?”
Jesus:
- Your happiness, bitch, is that my hands are nailed now!

[Sniper 1968]

This one can only fight with the dead. As Lermontov said: "... the timid Georgians fled..." As you can see, nothing has changed...

[polyansky.constantin]

There are many people who need to be shaken, and some people's consciences too.

[Juga]

For how many years there has not been a single positive news from Georgia...
It seems like everyone has come to terms with the bear’s idiotic initiatives, but such things will always cause a resonance - dancing on bones is not Christian.
P.S. After the victims of the demolition of the stele in Kutaisi, they used “monkey labor” - they thresh on a lift with a hammer, let them feel that concrete, like people, was more honest and strong in those years...

[polyansky.constantin]

Yes they will ask for it

[Juga]

And they clearly don’t care who they go under – history is witness to that.
They lie under the Americans, whine about Russia, do all sorts of rotten things, maybe some money will drip from the sponsors for the plundering, but in their minds there is a thought - if there happens an "occupation" of the proud highlanders from the north, and the Americans do not intercede, like we will survive, Russia is kind, will feed the "enslaved" (and they do not think about the fact that if they intercede, then everyone will have a couple of hours to live...).

[Alex63]

Russia has saved the Georgian people and Georgia from complete destruction more than once in the past. If it weren't for the Russians, Georgia wouldn't be on the world map at all. During the Great Patriotic War, Georgians, side by side with Russians and other peoples of the Great Country, beat and defeated the fascists. If it weren't for the victory of our grandfathers, the current rulers of modern Georgia would probably exist now as some kind of semi-vegetable creatures in German laboratories. Saakashvili spat on the memory of the Georgians who died in that war. I hope he will be rewarded for this.

[Sniper 1968]

The tie-eater, out of impotent anger, swung at the sacred. He confused yuh with a tram handle. Where are the Georgians? Where is the vaunted pride? Or was it exchanged for portraits of dead presidents? One of two things: either the special services are working, or the whole people have turned into prostitutes (I don’t want that believe)

[Uralm]

Horror. There are so many comments for one idiot.
Don't give a damn about Sahaki Kaku. Leopard change his spots.
I wonder if the grave will fix our Hunchback?