Bellingcat is on the beat again, or How they are trying to catch the Russian Buk version

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As soon as the next crime date of the Ukrainian security officials, who shot down a Malaysian airliner in the sky over the Donbass, is approaching, all sorts of Western-funded sites recall the need to actively work out cash receipts. So, the Bellingcat site decided to publish pictures of the Russian Buk anti-aircraft missile system, declaring the publication almost “proof” of striking this particular SAM system in the Donbass.

From the material:
Since the death of the Malaysian Airlines 17 flight (MH17), the Bellingcat team has published various articles on the anti-aircraft missile system that shot down the passenger aircraft - “Buku” with the 332 number of the Russian 53-th anti-aircraft missile brigade. Earlier we called this self-propelled fire installation (SOW) "Beech 3х2", since the second digit of the on-board number was unreadable. However, in a report published by 3 in May of 2016, we found that the second digit is “3”, thereby unambiguously “identifying” this “Buk”. In the 2016 report of the year, we listed various details that allowed us to identify the “Beech 332” using photographs taken from 2009 to 2014 years, in particular photos and videos, in which “Beech 332” is visible in the column that moved in June 2014 from the base 53-th brigade in Millerovo near the Russian-Ukrainian border. In particular, they talked about the shape of the caterpillar side flap, the only “floor” skating rink among the “spoke” skating rinks from the starboard side, a dent in the left side panel, connecting electrical cables, font of board number numbers and the distance between them, spots of oil and soot and white railway markings on both side panels. On a tip from Twitter user @Sl0zhny, the Bellingcat team managed to find the “missing link” - a photo showing the markings of oversized cargo on the “332 Bouquet” taken before it was transported in a column in June 2014 of the year.




And this is like a selection of "evidence" from Bellingcat:
Bellingcat is on the beat again, or How they are trying to catch the Russian Buk version


At the same time, the gentlemen from Bellingcat do not say a word in their “exposing” material about much more obvious things - a picture in which you do not need to look for any conspiratorially erased stains, numbers and traces of soot. These are pictures of the "Buka" of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which was located in the very place from which the passenger plane was struck. Here is a photo of transportation:



You can already talk about who will see the next photos by the “whipers” on the 4 anniversary of the crash, which will be dragged to the pre-built “version” by all means, on the basis of which the war crime of Maidan Ukraine is still trying to hide.

By the way, when will Bellingcat find out how many more years will have to wait for the publication by Kiev and the Dutch commission of negotiations of Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers with the crew of MH17, decryption of the recorders of MH17 itself, as well as information about why Ukraine let the airliner just above the place of the most intense battles at that time. ..
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  1. +7
    5 June 2017 17: 59
    How is all this already outdated .... Like a mammoth poop.
    1. +3
      5 June 2017 18: 03
      Poop mammoth on the fan on the anniversary ... Obviously!
      1. +1
        5 June 2017 18: 05
        Yes, not on the fan .. On the bones of the dead ...
        Quote: hirurg
        Poop mammoth on the fan on the anniversary ... Obviously!
        1. +5
          5 June 2017 18: 07
          there the reflection in the puddle from the room is not enough by the way.

          to wipe in a shop with a patch or stamp of a number or hang a new one making distortion in the future - it's up to the donkey. but to think over shadows, reflections and other trifles is already what distinguishes a specialist from a ram

          well, in fact we are discussing feces - which is not worthy of this discussion
          1. 0
            5 June 2017 18: 14
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            there the reflection in the puddle from the room is not enough by the way.

            ... if only that!

            Here is a list of WHO who, on a single signal, broadcast to the masses - 56 editions -
            https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?lr=21630&cl
            4url=www.gazeta.ru%2Farmy%2F2017%2F06%2F05%2F1070
            8607.shtml & content = alldocs & from = story

            The list is the same as always!
            And somehow the Asterisk cluttered itself sideways ...



            1. +16
              5 June 2017 18: 51
              the second digit is “3”, thereby unambiguously “establishing the identity” of this “Buk”.

              Each Buk missile launcher has a vehicle with the number 332. 3 division, 3 - battery, 2 - calculation. Standard. Only in Ukraine there should be four of them. And how did they “uniquely identify”?
          2. +4
            5 June 2017 18: 31
            Quote: c-Petrov

            ... to wipe in a shop with a patch or stamp of a number or hang a new one making distortion in perspective - it's up to the donkey. but to think over shadows, reflections and other trifles is already what distinguishes a specialist from a ram

            And if we add to this the "abundant" July foliage on the trees, there is only one conclusion: squint pedrils. Why not touch - shit turns out ...
            1. +7
              5 June 2017 19: 06
              This is a 2010 photo of the year.
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              2. 0
                5 June 2017 21: 37
                This is a 2010 photo of the year.

                No, this is gelin for 10 years, and the photo is only 2

                http://archive.li/5ZU92
          3. +3
            5 June 2017 18: 57
            You can already talk about who will see the next photos by the “whipers” on the 4 anniversary of the crash, which will be dragged to the pre-built “version” by all means, on the basis of which the war crime of Maidan Ukraine is still trying to hide.
            --------- What to take from them?
            everyone throws that goon, which is closer and is at hand --- that is, his
          4. +5
            5 June 2017 19: 06
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            there the reflection in the puddle from the room is not enough by the way.

            there’s just a number there, but I just can’t get it, but what exactly do these photos prove?
          5. +1
            5 June 2017 21: 24
            but nothing that there is a reflection of the wheels, which are 1.5 meters from the puddle?)
          6. 0
            6 June 2017 12: 18
            the problem is that we are discussing just that, and not, for example, a strike at Khmeimim airbase
            or confiscation of property of the diplomatic mission of the Russian Federation in the United States.
        2. +6
          5 June 2017 18: 13
          If these corrupt profursetki did not disperse on the anniversary of the tragedy - I would, perhaps, be surprised. And so - everything is according to the plan of the Phasington Regional Committee.
          1. +4
            5 June 2017 18: 21
            Without tension according to the worked out scenario, we went to the next round.

            Hello Pasha ! hi
            1. +5
              5 June 2017 18: 22
              Hi Victor! hi And figley to change something? Does the western philistine haw? Hawa. So the circuit works.
              1. +4
                5 June 2017 18: 26
                Like dogs, they run in circles and mark in the same places.
                1. +5
                  5 June 2017 18: 37
                  Too much honor to compare them with dogs. Skunks are smelly! Yes
      2. +5
        5 June 2017 18: 14
        In general, you need to be an idiot to show a photo of Buk *, who shot down a Boeing * under tail number 332, and write him under number 232 in the report. laughing
        1. +4
          5 June 2017 18: 19
          Quote: Black
          The guys laughed a little.

          hi So cooked in haste, to report to the owner for the "mastered" funds. wink
        2. 0
          6 June 2017 12: 21
          if you knew how they study mathematics, this mistake would be more natural in your opinion. They did not goof. They really think so - in their brain, 332 and 232 are no different from writing except if the name of the currency is not assigned to the right.
    2. +2
      5 June 2017 19: 00
      Until sane power comes to Ukraine, no one can prove anything.
      1. +2
        5 June 2017 20: 23
        Obama is gone. Chief french too. Merkel and Poroshenko remained. Now, when they become ex, the foolish smoke in the Netherlands will quickly dissipate and investigators will begin to see and hear. And the letters will remember, they will begin to read. Unless, of course, their main watching Mr. Trump will not mind.
        1. +2
          5 June 2017 21: 34
          Trump is purple. He didn’t make this porridge.
        2. 0
          6 June 2017 08: 44
          It’s as if some kind of Hollande and Obama came up with this. They are such performers as Poroshenko. But those who invented did not disappear, and therefore the truth will not come up soon. Or maybe even in the category of "riddles" of history will leave, from the Katyn series, when everyone believes what he wants.
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  2. +2
    5 June 2017 18: 00
    The order is being processed, the markup has started, we are guilty all around - this was to be expected.
    1. +2
      5 June 2017 18: 10
      The order is being processed, the markup has started, we are guilty all around - this was to be expected.

      Do not take it to heart, as always, everything is without evidence.
      hi
  3. +2
    5 June 2017 18: 01
    Lord, yes NOT 332 shot, but 312.
    1. +10
      5 June 2017 18: 22
      Did you see the launch yourself?
      1. +4
        5 June 2017 18: 30
        Saw Alexander Zakharchenko. Itself. Just not a launch, but "two Ukrainian planes ... then they flew away, but the Boeing fell ..."
  4. +5
    5 June 2017 18: 04
    Maybe they should bump their ears with bamboo? Sooner or later they will run into the otvetka. Can you cover the killer. And what is happening in their countries? I see. Trump is to blame. He infected the snow in St. Petersburg in June. We’ll not forgive you! throws. American hackers got. To see the summer today will not. The cold summer of the 53rd was warmer. Judging by the news of the police.
  5. +4
    5 June 2017 18: 06
    For example, Shari’s investigations may be different, but this person really comes from journalists and does his job quite well, although of course he also has jambs. But Bellingcat is one person who writes about himself that he did not serve in the army! !! but his investigations are entirely military. Since when did sofa specialists become military experts in the field of rocketry and artillery ??
    1. +4
      5 June 2017 18: 11
      Quote: APASUS
      But Bellingcat is one person who writes about himself that he did not serve in the army !!! but his investigations are entirely military. Since when did sofa specialists become military experts in the field of rocketry and artillery ??

      It doesn’t matter whether you served or not ....
      In this case, a constant “surge” on the fan is important.
      1. +3
        5 June 2017 18: 51
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        It doesn’t matter whether you served or not ....
        In this case, a constant “surge” on the fan is important.

        So everything is done for the sake of “sketching”, but it is important to serve or not. The person here writes about the trajectory of the projectile and investigates the shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the DPR.
        By the ABC or something become an expert in artillery .................?
        1. +4
          5 June 2017 18: 54
          Quote: APASUS
          By the ABC or something become an expert in artillery .................?

          And there is no one else to spread such nonsense. What they ordered is what he composed. Maybe if the entot blogger even knew something about the army, technology and weapons, then he would refuse .....
          What can a cavalry horse go on the attack know?
          1. +8
            5 June 2017 21: 09
            What can a cavalry horse go on the attack know?

            The direction in which to jump. wink
  6. +1
    5 June 2017 18: 07
    Even the Dutch from the Netherlands who collected tulips in their mouths and drive the cat for eggs, experts are figs, they can study, but they don’t have enough to understand what they are studying and why.
  7. +5
    5 June 2017 18: 19
    It would be strange if Kiev did not remember the Boeing. I want to contribute to the confusion of the issue -
    Nomer side not MH17, MH-17, you see, this fundamentally changes the matter.
    On board the Beech, the numbers are not displayed in Russian, but in Ukrainian! Here you are, Mr. Poroshenko !!! It’s pointless to deny purely a heartfelt confession will not exacerbate your guilt (you already have three life sentences)!
  8. +2
    5 June 2017 18: 35
    At least, it was decided that the airliner was shot down was still a "beech". Not even three years have passed. I think the rest of the nuances will “pop up” after some time has passed. But, even then, nothing dramatic will happen - did the sky crash to the ground when the USSR recognized the downing of a South Korean Boeing, or did Sinai sink under the water when the Ukrainians overwhelmed Tu? No ... They apologized and "spat out" ...
    1. +4
      5 June 2017 20: 13
      So far, no one has proved that the Boeing was shot down by Buk, and the Ukrainians did not recognize the destruction of Tu and did not pay the airline compensation ...
      1. +1
        5 June 2017 21: 04
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        and Ukrainians did not recognize the destruction of Tu and did not pay the airline compensation ...

        strange a
        In 2003, Ukraine signed intergovernmental agreements with Russia and Israel on compensation for the families of those killed in the crash. In accordance with these agreements, Ukraine paid 200 000 US dollars for each victim - 7 800 000 dollars Russia and 7 500 000 dollars to Israel. Compensation was paid ex gratia, that is, without recognition of legal liability

        responsibility not recognized, but paid. But all of which continues to bend, did not pay.
        By the way, on this Boeing-Malaysia Airlines paid 5 thousand dollars a one-time compensation to the relatives of the victims.
        1. 0
          5 June 2017 21: 34
          In general, it would be nice to talk about the Israeli plane with the Ukrainians. In Ukraine, they are sure that the Russians shot down the Israeli side. And the then government of Ukraine (for a big bribe) simply took the blame for the destruction of the side of Israel.
  9. +7
    5 June 2017 18: 59
    As I understand it, soot and oil stains on the body are new ways to apply camouflage. In another way, I can’t understand why they have never been washed off for five years. Well, no way. request
    But what about the SEMI-ANNUAL reviews of military equipment when switching to winter and summer operation?
    For these shows, the technique is not only washed and tinted, it happened that the goose was rubbed with shoe polish, so as to check it in the dust.
    And here for the period from 2009 to 2014, "oil and soot stains" are used to identify military equipment.
    This in my opinion is only possible in urkain. Yes
  10. 0
    5 June 2017 19: 08
    and the cartoon segondnya not show?
  11. +1
    5 June 2017 19: 10
    Well, the fact that all the blame for the downed Boeing will be blamed on Russia, I have no doubt for a second.
    1. 0
      5 June 2017 20: 13
      Quote: Anton Boldakov
      Well, the fact that all the blame for the downed Boeing will be blamed on Russia, I have no doubt for a second.

      Well, to blame, the fact that Trump is the President has already been blamed. The "Russian" hackers are to blame. And then the whole world did not know. request
      Long something on the “Boeing” pull. Looks like a "snout in the gun"!
      1. 0
        5 June 2017 21: 32
        I generally think that in the West they are waiting for the results of the election of the President of Russia. Only after the election should we expect real progress ...
        1. 0
          5 June 2017 21: 36
          Real progress in what direction?
          1. 0
            5 June 2017 23: 23
            Yes, at least in some way, since this "political swamp" is already tired of the horror.
        2. +2
          5 June 2017 22: 39
          Quote: Anton Boldakov
          I generally think

          There is still a big question ..... Judging by your pearls, there are certain doubts - you have problems with the thought ....
          lol
          1. +1
            5 June 2017 23: 25
            Justify your conclusion about my thought. And do not become like some politicians from the USA - they have taken on the fashion of telling false nasty things about others.
            1. +2
              6 June 2017 10: 23
              It’s a lot of honor to justify someone’s nearness
              lol
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    1. +5
      5 June 2017 19: 35
      Moby_by


      you are miserable and boring.

      blood on hands like in Crimea


      clown, it was a kebab ketchup.
    2. +2
      5 June 2017 20: 15
      Quote: Moby_by
      Oooh poor Russians ...

      We will understand without you!
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        1. +1
          5 June 2017 20: 29
          Quote: Moby_by
          Disassemble, as soon as possible. Here is Navalny a good candidate, pay attention.

          Do not carry heresy!
  13. +2
    5 June 2017 19: 26
    the more monstrous the lie, the sooner they will believe in it, everything is according to the old goebels-mold in one word
  14. +2
    5 June 2017 19: 56
    Moby_by
    Took care. Solve the issue of Potroshenko. And then soon you will stand with outstretched hand. to collect claudia.
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      1. +1
        5 June 2017 20: 17
        Quote: Moby_by
        Since you collapsed, with your bravado over the fraternal Ukrainian people, your own market and thereby collapsed our BELARUSIAN as well, the probability of standing with an outstretched hand is not only ours, but also yours.

        Yeah, Putin is definitely to blame! Somewhere heard!
        P.S. "BELARUS" spelled BelОRUMOPcue!
        1. 0
          5 June 2017 20: 21
          And who else but he. Putin has been in power for 17 years, continuously.
          Russia was written with one eS, even every schoolchild in Russia knows this, and the country is officially called the Republic of Belarus.
          1. +3
            5 June 2017 20: 25
            Quote: Moby_by
            And who else but he. Putin has been in power for 17 years, continuously.

            Of course! It doesn’t give rest that Man has been in power for 17 years, and foreign intelligence agencies have nothing to do with this can not!?
        2. +2
          5 June 2017 20: 35
          Express yourself in Russian, so express yourself - right in Russian!
      2. +2
        5 June 2017 20: 20
        Where exactly did your market crash ?! Can specifics?
      3. +4
        5 June 2017 20: 31
        Quote: Moby_by
        then the probability of standing with outstretched hand is not only with us, but also with you.

        So you are beggars, for the whole time of your independence you are standing with outstretched hands, you really shouldn’t get used to it, and the more bloody Putin is giving you, the louder and angrier you moo against him.
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          1. +2
            5 June 2017 21: 08
            Quote: Moby_by
            you give us loans at interest (Russian loans are more expensive than Chinese),

            Do not be naive, Chinese loans are all related, i.e. under the Chinese equipment and Chinese goods, the IMF does not give you money, pass it anyway, and you take new Russian loans to repay the old ones.
            gas and oil are more expensive inside Russia, which Russia sells to us at a loss

            Russia sells its oil to you at a loss, because the duty goes to the Belarusian budget, and nothing goes to the Russian budget, and we have our own state employees, our pensioners, our own army. Russia loses billions of dollars supporting your poor economy, which the great chairman has led to the fact that Belarusian refineries will soon become, according to Lukashenko, unprofitable. There is a lot of oil in the world, buy in other countries at world prices, get rich.
            What we Belarusians got into.

            Oh poor fellow, if not profitable, no one holds.
  15. +1
    5 June 2017 20: 06
    Okay, there’s a reflection in a puddle, what to take from krivorukovyh shoppers. But to me alone I see that the number of “beech” allegedly shot down the plane 332, in the report it appears under number 232, and in the photo where it is transported number 312. What kind of game in numbers is this?
    1. 0
      6 June 2017 18: 44
      These are three different Buk, 2 of which did not hit missiles in a passenger plane.
      maybe there were even more of them.
      For each of the listed "BUK" s, there is also a set of 3 or 4 machines for various purposes (charging, command, tracking). The military of Russia announced the discovery of the work of about 5 radars of the "BUK" range at the time of the disaster.
  16. +2
    5 June 2017 20: 20
    More than two years to deal with the crash of MN-17 is a record !!! Is it time for a Guinness book?
    Our GDP about this has already been said very clearly ... Boring girls
  17. +1
    5 June 2017 20: 44
    As for beech 312 - bellingcat has already disowned this version.
    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/201
    4/07/22 / the-latest-open-source-theories-speculati
    on-and-debunks-on-flight-mh17 /
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  18. +1
    5 June 2017 20: 56
    By the way, when will Bellingcat find out how many more years will have to wait for the Kiev and the Dutch commission to publish negotiations between the Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers and the crew of MH17, decipher the recorders of MH17 itself, as well as data on why Ukraine launched the liner precisely over the site of the most intense battles at that time
    ..
    Someone is sleeping while compiling news ...
    One of the myths

    In the September 9 report of the Netherlands Security Council in paragraph 2.5.4. It is stated that the organization Ukrainian State Air Traffic Services Enterprise or UkSATSE provided the investigators with records and transcripts of radio and telephone conversations related to the MH17 flight.
    The report publishes a text transcript of negotiations between dispatchers from Dnepropetrovsk, Rostov and the crew of the Malaysian flight.

    But several more aircraft flew over the zone - but the Malaysian was not lucky - the train on the 10 000 km was unsafe. Ukraine could forbid everything and everything. But confidence was assured that there are no such funds, and just laziness. And for this you still have to answer as a non-responsible country for its airspace.
    In vain the authors laugh. It’s not a laughing matter ...
    1. 0
      5 June 2017 21: 13
      Quote: Catherine II
      In vain the authors laugh. It’s not a laughing matter ...

      Most striking - They are sure of it! But they hope for Our (Russian) chance! Despite the fact that from the Netherlands.
  19. 0
    5 June 2017 21: 15
    This is from hopelessness! There are no weighty arguments. So they get them, waving a broom in the air, hoping to catch, at least, some clumsy argument from a bottomless ether.
  20. +1
    5 June 2017 21: 21
    Bellingcat back in the air

    Not too lazy, climbed on the Internet
    Many of us have heard of the Bellingcat public organization. If someone has not heard, then I will explain. This organization is positioning itself as an international expert community in the field of military investigations. At the same time, Bellingcat draws its conclusions based on open sources on the Internet.
    It looks something like this: a fake account is created on the social network, from which deliberately false information is being thrown. For example, some “peaceful Syrians” from London write about shelling by the Russian air forces, Bellingcat, of course, finds this account, adds pictures with the consequences of bombing by American aircraft in Iraq, several obscure schemes on Google maps and the investigation is ready
    https://oko-planet.su/politik/politikday/329269-b
    ellingcat-zapadnaya-fabrika-po-proizvodstvu-feyko
    v.html
    In general, this is an office that does not disdain someone else's feces to chew ten times, each time enjoying a new taste hi
  21. 0
    5 June 2017 21: 27
    "... negotiations between the Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers and the crew of MH17, decryption of the recorders of MH17 itself, as well as data on why Ukraine launched the liner precisely over the site of the most intense battles at that time ..".
    As it has been repeatedly noted, a certain James Klapper personally led the development of the provocation, traveled to the place (to Dnepropetrovsk and other points responsible for escorting the “victim” and for its destruction). After the disaster, Klapper came to inspect the results and the cleaning process of objectionable witnesses and participants.
    Assistance from the CIA came through its channels. The director also parted in Ukraine ...
    Well, it was necessary to substitute Russia. It was very necessary ... And the war in the Donbass - the goal at that time: to expel everyone, exterminate, build an empty field in this place - a shale gas field ...
  22. NKT
    0
    5 June 2017 21: 42
    And the most important thing is not said - the results of the autopsy of the bodies of passengers. In them, fragments should remain according to which the type of rocket is determined. And they showed what three pieces of iron in total.
  23. 0
    5 June 2017 23: 45
    “Seek someone profitable” - this is not the case. Instead of giving birth, finally, the act of investigation, which can be refuted, continues to dust the mind. It’s clear that the matter is dark.
  24. 0
    6 June 2017 02: 09
    In the picture, VSUshnik took for this photo his embroidery in his hand, oh poor fellow got into the frame, probably such a puncture is already sitting
  25. +1
    6 June 2017 02: 56
    I allow myself to voice my opinion. (Sergeant of the Divan Forces)
    1. There was no INTENTIONAL provocation, carefully designed and mediocre fused.
    2. There were erroneous actions of air defense officers.

    Now points:
    At that time, Ukrainian aviation was intensively used.
    But! Already the militia had one Su-25, which even made at least one sortie.
    The ukro-air defense system was put on full alert and because of it there was a non-zero probability of a real war with Russia at that time (do not forget about the permission of the Sov. Fed).
    The nerves of ukrokomandani were at the limit.
    But! Already the militia had one Buk installation - from under the fence, but there was a non-zero probability (well, very non-zero!) That it would very quickly “turn out” to be perfectly operational, though elusive and in different places.

    Well and further - we reject conspiracy theories and assume that the Boeing was shot down by Buk.
    What we have?
    It is reliably known that in this area there was a tuyeva heap of ukrovsky Bukovs, which were turned on and worked with their "Domes".
    It is never known for certain that the only SOU of the militias MAY be there.
    For what?
    To lay deeper beyond the line of contact and for this climb into the (essentially neutral) territory reached by artillery? Risk the only installation? When planes fly everywhere. Stupidity!

    Output.
    And ours and Ukrain in the sky was what to shoot.
    But ukrov, quite reliably, in this area EVERYTHING was deployed and ready for battle, and a lot of pieces.

    The fact that this is ukrov's fault is indirectly confirmed by the Dutch commission, which has a strict condition - to pull the owl (crossed out) the guilt of Russia or the militias for the downed plane, but it doesn’t work out.
  26. 0
    6 June 2017 03: 24
    There was a team to blame Russia, it must be carried out. Everyone knows the truth, but it is only beneficial for Russia, and this "should not be" because the whole Western world will be in shit.
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  28. 0
    6 June 2017 11: 12
    I am a realist and I don’t believe that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could bring down an airplane, because the republics have no aviation, why should they keep all the beeches ??
    A question in another was shot down by mistake by ours or from the republics?

    I remember the news release as they said about the next Ukrainian downed by the militia of the Academy of Sciences, then 10 minutes later they reported that "Oh no, these are not militias ... no, no, no." Sometimes you need courage and courage to answer for your actions ....
    Who is interested found only this
    1. 0
      6 June 2017 16: 11
      I am also a realist and I have a question: why did they send a plane there?
      Well, about the media. Knowing how they work, what nonsense they sometimes carry ... Just to be the first. This is nothing more than a so-called mistake. Media, nothing more.
      1. 0
        6 June 2017 16: 41
        Quote: SergeantTLT
        I am also a realist and I have a question: why did they send a plane there?

        And why can’t you fly planes at an altitude of more than 10 km? man-portable air defense systems are not reached at such a height, and who could know what they found in the Buk mine?
        Quote: SergeantTLT
        I am also a realist and I have a question: why did they send a plane there?
        Well, about the media. Knowing how they work, what nonsense they sometimes carry ... Just to be the first. This is nothing more than a so-called mistake. Media, nothing more.

        I agree that our media lie a lot. But then the forcing and stuffing of the most incredible versions went from frozen corpses on the plane to the Ukrainian rook ... which alludes to no docking.
        I didn’t even bother much about it, I just thought “that the fellows were Ukrainians hit”, to shoot down a civilian plane is a bit off the mark.
        But then ours began to promote this topic, and I began to search.
        Found a huge amount of material on this topic. and found a lot of materials, from photos to videos like Buk was first with us, then with the militias (it’s clear that if we hadn’t helped them, they would have long been bent). Then came the "birdfall" of news from the militias, shot down planes.
        Then they miscalculated and made such a fiasco .... and blew about him in contact .... they say another bird fell. And then the news came from our unverified, but it turned out that they shot down the liner, I had to wipe everything.
        And here, with simple logical conclusions, you can come to the obvious conclusion, not Ukrainians were shot down. Who shot down I do not know how they shot down our BEECH ..... that's the whole story.
        But to recognize this fact is now impossible, especially after all the representations that we have shown on this subject.
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          6 June 2017 19: 38
          You and the second realist at the time with such knowledge to teach at the Air Defense Academy ... For three years there has been a butting about a downed Boeing, and they here know a couple of sweet ones. Send your “reports” to Holland, they are waiting!
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            8 June 2017 14: 31
            Where did we talk about air defense in our communication? Where did we write that we all know? Who clever is you.
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    6 June 2017 16: 07
    Zoom in and see artifacts. So wretched, just awful!
    Kings of Photoshop! There is no need to peer into the puddle ...
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    6 June 2017 19: 03
    They have nothing to do? Why are these “rear-wheel drive” from the Bellingcat team not investigating why massive shelling is being carried out in the Donbass and people who can still be saved are dying