Missing out

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The number of Soviet-made and own-made weapons from former members of the Warsaw Pact was large. The fate of these weapons and military equipment is a very interesting question.

Countries from the Warsaw Treaty Organization (ATS) were admitted to NATO in two ways. Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland - in 1999, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania - in 2004. GDR was dissolved in NATO West Germany in 1990. The admission of Eastern European countries to the alliance pursued two goals: to limit the spheres of influence of Russia as much as possible, to emphasize the loss of any significance on the continent and to provide the NATO bureaucracy with a wide field of activity for a long time. The state of the annexed armies did not matter, since the military goal was never set when expanding the block. Re-equipment of the “Novonatovtsy” from Soviet to Western technology was their own problem. As a rule, the neophytes did not have enough money for this, so even the countries of the first wave, being in the alliance for 17 for years, only partially re-armed, this process almost did not affect the second wave.



Let us leave aside the “dissident” of the Department of Internal Affairs of Romania, whose army is almost completely equipped with its own production equipment (albeit made under strong Soviet influence) and is traditionally brewed in its own juice. Let's talk about the rest of the ATS countries, including the late GDR (with its equipment for the ground forces).

Armored "rasters"

Even an analysis of the official data provided by the Eastern European countries for the CFE Treaty and the UN Register of Conventional Arms shows that a significant part of the equipment withdrawn from their Armed Forces physically continues to exist and is used either for parts or for export. In the second case, the declarations do not always coincide with reality. At the same time between Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Bulgaria practiced constant exchange, including the same type of equipment. The part goes on re-export, the part "dissolves".

Of course, significant arms volumes of Soviet and East European production have been utilized to date. This primarily concerns armored personnel carriers - all BTR-40, BTR-50, BTR-152, almost all BTR-60 and OT-64. A certain proportion of these machines is still alive, but apparently very insignificant, it is almost impossible to establish its value, and it is not necessary, since today their combat value is zero. This also applies to tanks T-54, T-55, although they most likely survived in more tangible quantities - up to several hundred. The last case of T-55 export from the countries of the former ATS occurred in 2005: 120 tanks from Bulgaria were sent to Eritrea. In addition, up to 170 “unaccounted for” T-62s may remain at Sofia’s disposal.

T-72 tanks, of course, cannot be called new, but today it is the most massive and most belligerent tank in the world. At 551 ATS, T-72 had GDRs, 759 - Poland, 815 - Czechoslovakia, 138 - Hungary (90 bought 100 in Belarus in the beginning) and 333 - Bulgaria (plus 100 acquired in 90 from Russia). At the moment, the Polish Army has 505 tanks of this type, another 135 were converted to RT-91. The Czech Republic’s Armed Forces have 120, Slovakia’s 30, Hungary’s 76, Bulgaria’s 314. No less than 11 machines in these countries and in Germany became museum exhibits.

425 T-72 went to the USA and other countries of the “old NATO”, as well as to Finland, Georgia, Nigeria, Iraq. The fate of 1180 tanks (351 from the GDR, 60 from Poland, 450 from the Czech Republic, 200 from Slovakia, 5 from Hungary, 117 from Bulgaria) is unclear. Some part of the "lost" cars, obviously, were dismantled (for parts, for study, for scrap metal), sold to museums and private collections, and shot at landfills as targets. However, all this is unlikely to account for at least half of the missing tanks. Moreover, not everything is clear with the 97 T-42 sold from the stocks of the GDR to Finland (although it is believed that all of them, except for one museum, are disposed of).

Missing out


The BMP-1 in the former ATS countries had almost 5400 (in Poland and Czechoslovakia they were produced under a Soviet license), of which now they are listed near 1800. Sold around 1500, and 375, acquired by Sweden from Germany, were returned to ... the Czech Republic. As a result, the number of machines of this type with an unclear fate exceeds 2500 units. Of course, there are also unrecorded utilization, shooting at landfills, sales to museums and private owners, but absolutely no less than a thousand cars fell under any of these scenarios.

With the BMP-2 there are no such problems. Now they are in service only in the armies of the Czech Republic (173) and Slovakia (95). 87 German, Polish and Czech cars are sold, two are in museums, the fate of only 8 BMP-2 army of the former GDR is unclear.

Only the GDR was armed with 1266 BTR-70, sold 520, the remaining 746 disappeared into the unknown. In 2015, the 19 BTR-70 came to Slovakia from Belarus (apparently for resale). BTR-80 today has only Hungary - 406 conventional and 178 A modification units, as well as 14 engineering vehicles based on them. 74 left for Iraq and Ukraine (before the ATO), the fate of 59 is unclear again.

ACS 2С1 were produced under license in Poland and Bulgaria, and the latter has large discrepancies in the number of installations made (from 256 to 686). The Poles released 533 SAU, the GDR had 374, Czechoslovakia - 150, Hungary - 153. Now it remains in service and in storage around 300 2C1 from Poland and, apparently, Bulgaria's 200 – 250, 5 – 6 SAU are in museums. Outside of the countries under discussion, 252 (according to other data - 301) are sold. Accordingly, the fate from 660 to 1140 2C1 is unclear. Of course, there are options for recycling, landfills and museums, but they are unlikely to cover such a significant number of “losses”.

From 95 SAU 2C3, which was in service with the NNA GDR, 9 were sold in the United States, where the rest 86 went, is unknown. Bulgaria has sold four 2C3. From 16, Hungarian SAUs of this type from 10 to 13 were sold through the Czech Republic to Ukraine, one became a museum exhibit, the fate of 2 – 5 has not been established.

Of the Czechoslovak 408 wheeled self-propelled guns “Dana” produced for their own army, 86 armed with the Czech Republic, 24 sold to Georgia (at least one of them became a Russian trophy in August 2008 of the year), at least three are museum exhibits. Where are the rest of 295 - the question. Another 111 of these SAUs was acquired from Czechoslovakia Poland, all of them are still in service with its army.

It is extremely difficult to determine the fate of towed guns. Most of them were produced before World War II or during it. However, by this time, this class of technology had almost reached the limit of development; therefore, there are still very many American guns of the same period in the world, including the USA. The East European armies are now left with a small amount of towed artillery - X-NUMX howitzers D-19 from Slovakia, 30 D-31 from Hungary and to 20 from Bulgaria, and she, possibly, to 150 M-30. It evaporated to 30 M-1800, near 30 D-270, to 30 A-100, to 19 ML-280, to 20 D-400. Most of these guns are likely utilized, but up to a thousand can still physically exist.

Of the 72 MLRS BM-21 "Grad", available in the army of the GDR, four sold in the United States, the fate of the rest is unclear. Poland had 232 such MLRSs, of which up to 75 were altered by the WR-40 “Langust” variant, approximately 135 remain in service in their original form. From 66 of the Hungarian Gradov, most, if not all, went to the Czech Republic, and from there 18 of them went to Slovakia, which also received 11 Gradov from Belarus. From the Czech Republic five BM-21 went to the USA and to 36 - to Ukraine (also to the ATO), from Slovakia 20 - to Saudi Arabia. From 225 Bulgarian Gradov approximately 52 is sold, one more or several became exhibits. Thus, approximately 380 of the MLRS remains in service in Poland and Bulgaria (taking into account “Langusts”), the fate of the 100 is more than unknown.

In Czechoslovakia for their own army produced approximately 210 own "Gradov" - MLRS RM-70. Already after the country's divorce, the Slovakia released the 26 of the modified Modular, the RS-RMN-70 MLRS, which remain in service. At a minimum, the 181 installation was exported, the fate of approximately 30 is unclear, as was the former German 69 (in the GDR there were 265 MLRS of this type, of which 196 was sold). 30 Polish RM-70 remain in service.

From 41, the “Osa” air defense missile system, owned by the NNA, sold 14, the fate of 27 was covered with darkness. In Poland, the Czech Republic and Bulgaria, all these air defense systems remain in service (64, 24, 24, respectively). All 40 complexes "Strela-10" from the arsenals of the GDR were missing, as were 36 similar SAM systems of the Czechoslovak army. Remain in service with the Czech Republic (16), Slovakia (48), Bulgaria (20).

ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" were in service in the GDR (150), Poland (87) and Bulgaria (40). Now they remain about 30 in Poland and Bulgaria. At least one German and Polish "Shilka" in museums, German 120 were sold. The fate of the rest ZSU (roughly 100) is unclear.

Thus, the armed forces of Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria currently have over a thousand T-72, about two thousand infantry fighting vehicles, about 900 SAU, more than 200 towed guns, about 450 MLRS, about 200 air defense missile systems and about 60 ZSU Soviet and own (times of the Warsaw Pact) production. In addition, the fate of about two thousand tanks, 2600 BMP, 800 BTR, 1500 SAU, 2800 towed guns, more than 200 MLRS and 100 SAM, approximately 100 ZSU, is unclear. It disappeared much more than left.

Bins instability

In the Czech Republic, the Excalibur Army is quite officially operating, offering customers T-72 and T-55 tanks, BMP-1, SAU 2С1 and Dana, howitzer D-20, MLRS RM-70, spare parts for them, engineering and auxiliary machines . The company has a wide selection of small weapons and ammunition, including shells caliber 100, 120, 122, 125, 152 millimeter. It is from the stocks of Excalibur that in recent years there have been deliveries of T-72, BMP-1, RM-70 to Iraq and Nigeria. The official supplier is the Czech Republic, but the number of vehicles in service with its army does not change. Obviously, Excalibur is the owner of most of the unregistered parts described here, the machines there are much more than those of the Czech army. The second largest source, apparently, is Bulgaria.

The disappeared weapon perfectly feeds today's wars. Slovakia in recent years officially sold 20 BM-21 to Saudi Arabia. Of course, they did not enter the armament of the army of the kingdom, but went to the formations fighting against Assad. One can only guess how many Soviet vehicles were unofficially bought in Eastern Europe for their Syrian, Libyan and Yemeni clients. It is absolutely necessary to say that the entire numerous opposition to Damascus army in no way could have fought so long at the expense of captured ammunition, with such intensive battles they would have ended long ago. That is, deliveries of ammunition from Eastern Europe through Turkey to the “fighters against tyranny” were and are massive. Moreover, today Sofia practically officially acknowledges that supplies for Islamic radicals in Syria for Saudi money have become almost the main source of Bulgaria’s export earnings.

Ukraine in 2008 – 2010 (under presidents Yushchenko and Yanukovych) received from Hungary 8 BTR-80 and 65 – 66 SAU 2-1. 2008 BMP-50 arrived from the Czech Republic in 1, the data on 2009 – 2011 years diverge. Maximum for this period, the APU received up to 48 ACS 2C1, up to 13 "Akacias" - ACS 2C3, up to 44 howitzers D-30, up to 36 MLRS BM-21. Perhaps all of this equipment was for resale and / or disposal, however deliveries did take place and replenished their arsenals. Since 2014, the arrival of heavy machinery from Eastern Europe to Ukraine has not been fixed, as long as there is enough of it (it’s more and better than in the countries of the former ATS), but this possibility certainly remains. Deliveries of ammunition and small arms could well be, track them almost impossible ("Under the threat of victory").

Built in data schemes and Belarus. At least some of the “Grads” that left Syrian gangsters through Saudi Arabia are from there.

Of course, at present the Soviet technology is very outdated and it is almost useless to use it against a serious opponent. But for the local wars that are going on today in Ukraine and the Middle East, it is very suitable. And, apparently, it will suffice for a long time.
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  1. +9
    3 June 2017 07: 25
    Thanks to the author for the article. I "ran through" the site "Excalibur Army" - impressed!
    1. +6
      3 June 2017 15: 36
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Thanks to the author for the article. I "ran through" the site "Excalibur Army" - impressed!

      Join the Thanks to the author for the article.
      Not just impressed, but very impressed. This is a whole empire, and it’s not suitable for any restriction in posting ... it can deliver where it wants and to whom it wants ..
      recourse
  2. +5
    3 June 2017 07: 36
    Part goes for re-export, part “dissolves”.

    How to "dissolve" is not difficult to guess. Periodically pops up in various hot spots and in outright bandits. Countries that proudly shouted that they had rid themselves of the communist dictate were mostly in poverty, although they entered NATO. Therefore, the arms trade in the black market is booming.
  3. +3
    3 June 2017 07: 44
    .... yes, these weapons will continue to "emerge" for a long time in the Middle East and on the "outskirts" ..... and then we will see further ..... The supply and potential of the USSR is great ....
    1. +7
      3 June 2017 09: 04
      A significant part of the arsenal of the former GDR was transferred by the German authorities to Croatia and other newly formed countries on the territory of the former Yugoslavia.
  4. +8
    3 June 2017 07: 59
    Dear Alexander, I understand that you have done a great job selecting material for a wonderful article. Our aviation, which was transferred to the countries of the Warsaw Pact, the air defense system, was not considered. Even in Syria our MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-25 are at war. Ukraine willingly handed over the air defense system of Georgia for the 2008 war. And our aircraft are potential enemies of Russia can be used everywhere. I have the honor.
    1. +1
      3 June 2017 17: 06
      There are much fewer planes, they are extremely difficult to operate, they quickly lose their combat capability, which was shown very well by the same MiG-29 of Serbia where even the radars did not work when they had to fly to intercept, since the supply of spare parts was under sanctions.

      Which MiG-25 are fighting in Syria and who has aviation there besides regular armies?
  5. +3
    3 June 2017 08: 15
    Thanks to the author, this technique will still show itself, in the same say ukroin. ..
  6. +6
    3 June 2017 08: 19
    Built in data schemes and Belarus. At least some of the “Grads” that left Syrian gangsters through Saudi Arabia are from there.
    Poor Batko - they deceived, the Saudis said that it would cause rain over the desert, but they built a desalination plant and transferred the hail further. Now ISIS rains.
  7. +6
    3 June 2017 08: 45
    Quote: rotmistr60
    . Countries that proudly shouted that they had rid themselves of the communist dictate were mostly in poverty, although they entered NATO. Therefore, the arms trade in the black market is booming.

    Have you been to Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic for a long time? request It’s not bad at all. It may be better in Moscow, but if we compare, for example, the Hungarian Debrenets and Volgograd, it is not clear when the Volgograd residents will live so calmly and prosperously.
    1. +15
      3 June 2017 09: 00
      Do you care about Volgograd, the owner of someone else's passport?
    2. +7
      3 June 2017 09: 34
      Something Jews from Israel back to Russia massively flooded. bully
      1. +1
        3 June 2017 09: 43
        Quote: siberalt
        Something Jews from Israel back to Russia massively flooded. bully

        Just the opposite.
        1. +3
          3 June 2017 09: 55
          uhhhhhhhhhhh? And how much has arrived? How much has left?
    3. +10
      3 June 2017 09: 45
      Ltd. and here is the golden cabinet! Comrade kapara's boker is on you! )) I was in Poland last week (Gdańsk and Szczecin) They live poorly, poorly, there is no work, and there are no special prospects for appearing, the production was killed and the Germans pressured to close the last shipyard in Gdansk and then 3000 people. will remain without work, hoping that it will be possible to get a job in Kaliningrad in their specialty, and if not, then work for either the Fritz or the Saxons. You ask - Well, how is the pan in the European Union? In response - Kurva him ........ and you can’t continue to print here, with about 600 euro average zp the prices on the hands are in the West for communal services and taxes, except that the food is cheaper and tastier. And so yes they live in a mustache laughing
      1. +3
        3 June 2017 10: 11
        Quote: Kurasava
        Ltd. and here is the golden cabinet! Comrade kapara's boker is on you! )) I was in Poland last week (Gdańsk and Szczecin) They live poorly, poorly, there is no work, and there are no special prospects for appearing, the production was killed and the Germans pressured to close the last shipyard in Gdansk and then 3000 people. will remain without work, hoping that it will be possible to get a job in Kaliningrad in their specialty, and if not, then work for either the Fritz or the Saxons. You ask - Well, how is the pan in the European Union? In response - Kurva him ........ and you can’t continue to print here, with about 600 euro average zp the prices on the hands are in the West for communal services and taxes, except that the food is cheaper and tastier. And so yes they live in a mustache laughing

        Well, I was recently. Krakow and Warsaw. They live great. Shops and restaurants are crowded with people. Prices are much lower than in Germany and Russia. In the evenings, a lot of people on the streets. So do not hang me noodles on the ears of a pseudo-Israelite.
        1. +18
          3 June 2017 10: 18
          The generous response of the "specialist" on all issues, shops, restaurants and a lot of people, means they live "perfectly", it is strange that the Poles somehow disagree with this. How much time did you spend? Did it work? Did you pay for communal services? The people whom you saw were all locals ali tourists? You do not confuse tourism with permanent residence. You’re the pseudo-Israelite, you’re called Aron, although it’s definitely not the name that your parents called you, and not even the geese, and most likely 100% goy. laughing So which of us is pseudo?
      2. +11
        3 June 2017 10: 15
        I won’t say for Volgograd, I’ll say for Perm Krai, yes, my salary went down (about one fifth) and the food went up (but we don’t die of hunger) with a communal apartment too, normal (I live in my house, I hope for myself and don’t owe anyone ) But friends, CITIZENS OF A RICH AND FULL GERMANY, go to dentists to Russia to treat their parents and don’t even dream about their own housing (because it’s not really expensive). Everyone has their own needs, someone needs a Mercedes, me and Largus one hundred percent satisfied (I personally want to Oku for myself — I’ll be happy in general — ten minutes to work and to the kindergarten)
        1. +9
          3 June 2017 10: 22
          Well so I can only confirm, I live and work in Berlin. The average salary in the city is 1200-1300 € and the average square is about 650 € and this is so far without a communal apartment.
          1. +9
            3 June 2017 11: 00
            A lot of friends live in Germany and the big half is more than 10 years old. Only one has their own housing, everyone else rents, even those who have their own small business. They don’t starve for sure, but I won’t say that everyone works or the cars change there like gloves. .Social security is certainly higher than Russian, but taxes are higher, and most importantly, they must be paid not like in Russia, there is total control.
            1. +9
              3 June 2017 11: 05
              Well, here I can object to you, tax evasion is a national sport in Germany. The main taxes that go through the salaries are not turned away, but in Germany, like everywhere, nepotism, bribery, corruption, and fraud and deceit of state structures are flourishing. So here everything is like everywhere else.
              1. +1
                3 June 2017 11: 09
                Quote: Kurasava
                Tax evasion is a national sport in Germany.

                we will not reveal all the secrets
                1. +1
                  3 June 2017 11: 23
                  laughing good drinks Like camarade, we won’t)))
          2. avt
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            3 June 2017 12: 39
            Quote: Kurasava
            Well so I can only confirm, I live and work in Berlin. The average salary in the city is 1200-1300 € and the average square is about 650 € and this is so far without a communal apartment.

            The question is, if you can confirm or disprove - I was present during a telephone conversation in which they said that food prices in Germany somehow kept steady, but at once raised the other day?
            1. +5
              3 June 2017 17: 33
              It’s a pity I didn’t look at your question before, only returned from the store. Germany is a federation like the Russian Federation so that prices vary from region to region, the most expensive in Bavaria (Munich) in Berlin since 2008, prices have not changed much, for a penny, milk, meat, fruit, vegetables, it’s stably cheap, but quality let's say it is tolerant with a minus sign, not that the food is somehow expired (although it happens) or defective, no, it’s just not tasty, at least no bad thing, you want better quality (and most importantly you can afford it) go to an expensive store, but there 2 or even 3 times more expensive. But on the other hand, the price of travel is growing 2 times a year, now taking a ride on public transport now costs 2,80 € and a monthly pass for 81 €. At 1,20 € the average annual growth.
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    5. +1
      3 June 2017 17: 07
      And you were further than Prague in the Czech Republic? However, they always lived well there. Even in the Middle Ages, the center of Europe, developed industry. As for Poland and Hungary, there’s another question.
  8. +1
    3 June 2017 09: 44
    Quote: For the Motherland, your mother))
    Do you care about Volgograd, the owner of someone else's passport?

    Yes so. I know what I'm talking about.
    1. +10
      3 June 2017 09: 54
      No, you don’t know the locker, you weren’t born in Eastern Europe, you never lived there, how do you know I was born and live. They do not live well, I would even say badly, and yes, it is even worse in many ways than in the Russian Federation. Here you have a movie from the 4 channel from UK about Romania https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwadpGdskCM ........ CE Europe laughing
      1. +1
        3 June 2017 10: 18
        Quote: Kurasava
        No, you don’t know the locker, you weren’t born in Eastern Europe, you never lived there, how do you know I was born and live. They do not live well, I would even say badly, and yes, it is even worse in many ways than in the Russian Federation. Here you have a movie from the 4 channel from UK about Romania https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwadpGdskCM ........ CE Europe laughing

        I am for Romania and do not speak. Was not. But for Central Europe I can talk. As for Germany. I visited you more than once. In Munich and Koblenz. Well, you can’t say anything richly, but apart from beer and bread, nothing tasty.
        1. +11
          3 June 2017 10: 28
          True, not tasty. But you see again, you have "richly" do not confuse tourism with permanent residence. Life even in Western Europe has become much worse and Eastern Europe generally pulls the strap of the EU for them it was not salvation as they thought, but bondage. Listen Aron, I have been living and working here for almost 9 years (this is Germany and Poland mainly), while in the Czech Republic, wherever it went, compared to the rest of the BE countries, then the rest are just not doing well, the Hungarians are resisting Brussels as much as possible, the Poles have their horn about the Euro, because they understand that it will be even worse.
          1. +4
            3 June 2017 10: 52
            I’m not saying that there is paradise. I even wrote that Moscow is probably no worse. But in regional centers, not to mention regional ones, the standard of living is lower.
            1. +10
              3 June 2017 11: 20
              How do you know this, that’s the question? You didn’t live there, but I just lived, and like everywhere else in Gdansk, for example, it’s better than in Kaluga but worse than in Tula (an arbitrary example, to understand what I mean) or in Shtechin worse than in Zelenograd but better than in Tver. Do you know what I mean? You, on the contrary, wrote that - "They live great." But the general situation for the 10th year of my stay here is getting worse. You drove by, looked, stayed a couple of days. At first, I also had exactly the same impressions so far, a) I did not start communicating with the Poles b) I did not visit Russia. And immediately it became clear that there are stories about “unwashed” Russia and “successful Europe (especially eastern) ...... stories. And I myself am from the Baltic, relatives in St. Petersburg, it is very funny that when you cross the border with the Russian Federation the impression is like when at the intersection of the border of the village and the city, the roads become wide and even and the fields are seeded to the horizon, this is me about the Russian Federation.
              1. +9
                3 June 2017 12: 07
                Quote: Kurasava
                there are stories about "unwashed" Russia and "successful Europe (especially eastern) ...... stories

                About three years ago, I talked with an elderly German woman who left for permanent residence in the early nineties from Russia.
                "Europe, freedom, opportunities ... and who am I here?! ... and no one can call me either!
                And in Russia I was a honored teacher, respected, etc. etc"
                And terribly cursed at the Turks and come in large numbers laughing
                From the category - everywhere is good, where we are not.
                1. 0
                  3 June 2017 17: 36
                  At exactly laughing lol especially in Israel it can be heard often
            2. +4
              3 June 2017 12: 01
              In Moscow, yes, 100% is not worse. Even in St. Petersburg, no worse. laughing
              Only there is a huge stratification of the population.
              Often behind the "tinsel" (candy wrapper), the essence (filling) is not visible. hi
          2. +2
            3 June 2017 19: 04
            I agree with you that the products don’t taste when I used to go to Germany with my great-grandfather and when I ate there, there was a big difference in the quality of the bite, and even now I go to the grandfather’s grave and when I feel the artifact of the products
  9. +4
    3 June 2017 12: 33
    The article is good, respect to the author. Belarusians were unpleasantly surprised - do they really need money so much that they sell weapons to anyone?
    1. +3
      3 June 2017 14: 40
      Somewhere (here?) I read that Belarusians had recently sold 100 T-72B3 tanks of their own alteration to the USA.
      And then the Ukrainians reported pictures about the “Russian” T-72B3 tanks lined up in the DPR just in time for the decision to extend the anti-Russian sanctions.
    2. +1
      3 June 2017 17: 09
      And what? They abandoned Russianness, so you can sell and betray.
  10. +4
    3 June 2017 15: 20
    And this is ... a paradox ...
    People of my generation .... remember ..
    How we lived in the Soviet Union ...
    The people ... literally ... tore from themselves ...
    From my earnings ...
    TO BE A STRONG ARMY ... FOR DEFENSE OF THE COUNTRY ...
    And our "brothers under the" Warsaw Pact "....
    Received EVERYTHING! IS FREE!
    And military equipment ... And any resources ...
    At the same time ... Behind us ... Laughing ... and ... mocking us ...
    These are "our brothers" ... From the filing of domestic dissidents ... lured by the American Embassy ...
    The "brothers" began to call us "scoop" ...
    I hope now our authorities ... Understand.
    That "giveaway" ... Does not respect ...
    The United States, by the way, will be knocked out of NATO countries ... Its 2% ...
    And Europe will ... crawl for it ... kneeling before them!
  11. 0
    3 June 2017 16: 57
    Embedded in these schemes and Belarus.

    And why are we lost? You took one of the parties to the conflict and sell it to yourself, either directly or through intermediaries, we will have the most for any ...
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    1. +1
      3 June 2017 18: 40
      What is the comment about?
      1. +1
        3 June 2017 18: 43
        Yes, nothing. That's why I deleted it.
        1. +1
          3 June 2017 18: 48
          The weapons of the countries of the former ATS and the USSR are enough for 100 years ...
          It is commonplace that the supply of this weapon is led by those who had nothing to do with its creation, but on the contrary had to suffer from it ...
  13. +5
    3 June 2017 23: 39
    Aron Zawi Today, 10:11 ↑ New

    Well, I was recently. Krakow and Warsaw. They live great. Shops and restaurants are crowded with people. Prices are much lower than in Germany and Russia. In the evenings, a lot of people on the streets. So do not hang me noodles on the ears of a pseudo-Israelite.

    In Kiev, this is also true, only this does not cancel the fact of 95% poverty among the people, in large cities, especially if you look at the city center, you cannot judge that people live well.
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  15. Quote: Aaron Zawi
    I’m not saying that there is paradise. I even wrote that Moscow is probably no worse. But in regional centers, not to mention regional ones, the standard of living is lower.

    Ah, then it’s not heaven anymore ...
  16. +4
    5 June 2017 21: 14
    Russian tanks in Syria, Wahhabis hammering with unique Russian weapons, which the Russian army does not have and will not appear to be ... RPG-29 "Vampire" is released only for export !!! After upgrading the 500 m. This is a brand new weapon ONLY FOR EXPORT! When we sell, we buy ourselves death.
  17. +3
    5 June 2017 21: 19
    Destruction of 2's Turkish Sabra tanks in Syria from the export modification of the Russian Cornet anti-tank complex. Question: How did the RPK "Cornet" end up in the hands of the Ishilovites?
    1. +1
      5 June 2017 21: 24
      Apparently the Russian Federation managed to sell these to Bulgaria ...
      1. +2
        5 June 2017 21: 35
        You probably better know better, as always Dr. Evil! lol By the way, your repertoire is very monotonous. Come up with something new! Together we will laugh! laughing I wonder why in the stats they were allowed to talk about deliveries with weapons to the Middle East from the countries of the former Yugoslavia and specifically from Serbia! She is the top three in terms of supply for these hot! On completely legitimate grounds, however! Well, of course, the USA and the Russian Federation, firmly holding the 1 and 2 place bypass all the rest taken together ... It is clear that the article is not about that. I apologize ... I'm a little distracted here ... wink
        1. +2
          5 June 2017 21: 39
          Well, the Russian Federation, unlike the "peace-loving" Bulgaria, was not seen in the supply of B and BT ISIS, but the Bulgarian weapons were found in the arsenals of ISIS ....
          1. +2
            5 June 2017 21: 58
            I have no doubt about the peacefulness of the Russian Federation, as well as the peacefulness of Bulgaria. In the arsenals of igil all kinds of weapons were found, including the most modern Russian. For example, one of the best RPGs is 32, produced in Jordan under the name "Hashim". Igilovites, the gang is versatile and immense ... I became interested in info, which, as it should be, was replicated in Russian media. We are talking about the allegedly found a large number of bullets of Bulgarian production for the "hail" in the warehouses of igil in Palmyra. I also looked at Zakharova’s statements, based on a journalistic investigation of a Bulgarian journalist. What is this journalist, we in Bulgaria know very well. Specialist on the topic "custom publications". But let us leave her activity on her conscience. So on the video showed chests from supposedly Bulgarian markings, even documents from the manufacturer - Arkus Firm. I, as a thinking person, were immediately alerted! After all, direct deliveries from the Bulgarian manufacturer to igil madness, which people involved in weapons business will not allow. There are delivery schemes on other channels. It was confirmed that this weapon, the “Bulgarian” company (by the way it is private and owned by foreign investors), delivered to Saudi Arabia, and it, for its part, put up its igil. If this is so, then it looks extremely unconvincing that the Saudis are so stupid as not to delete the inscriptions and documents. After all, no one is burning from the desire to light up in such dirt! But in general, and put some kind of marking on the chest, not a matter of architects! laughing And in the end, the acquirer of the weapon is responsible where it appears. After all, we do not reproach Russia that the entire Middle East is stuffed with weapons produced by it! I have no doubt that arms sales are going to this region from all directions. Business with weapons and morality are often incompatible things. But, so that it would be almost demonstrative, as if behind the cameras, hardly anyone would do it. In my opinion, the usual statement is to discredit a competitor. And you, of course, are at hand ... After all, you are Dr. Evil, you are always looking for and will surely “find” what is “suitable” ... I will not wish you success in such a dirty job! Because success will not be. And I do not like to give unforgettable wishes. hi
            1. +2
              5 June 2017 22: 11
              But you did not notice that I myself do not write anything related to Bulgaria, but only answer your anti-Russian posts, do not write anything bad about the Russian Federation and we will not have a dialogue, I assure you ...
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                5 June 2017 23: 11
                Your interpretations about "my anti-Russian posts" are very peculiar. But this is your right and I do not deny it. In general, this is a very informative business! How does the situation look from different angles !? After all, people from different countries read posts. bully
                1. +2
                  5 June 2017 23: 19
                  But in fairness, you were right.
                  As far as we know, the domestic armed forces have not received a single grenade launcher of a new model. Nevertheless, there is information about the supply of these weapons to foreign countries.

                  https://topwar.ru/42430-reaktivnyy-protivotankovy
                  y-granatomet-rpg-29-vampir.html
                  However, as I understood from the article on an industrial scale, no one produces them for foreign partners, delivery in small batches.
                  1. +2
                    6 June 2017 09: 06
                    RPG - 29 "Vampire" is probably not so widespread in the world because of the relatively small scale of production. But since it is an extremely effective weapon, its use gives little chance to the enemy. In the case, unfortunately, the opponents igil. I remember another Russian RPG, which is much more often used in Syria. We are talking about RPGs - 32 “Barkas” / export name “Hashim”, and “Nashshab” produced from assembly kits in Jordan /. Rostec has built a plant in Jordan where either 50 is produced. or 60 thousand. such things a year! It is clear that from Jordan to the buzzes of the igil in Syria, "give a hand" as they say ... And a considerable amount / it is not known how much exactly / 32 matches come from Ishilovites. There’s a murky business there ... Yesterday, as the situation became very dark, we decided to make Qatar an extreme ... The Qatari people certainly "pinned a lot of firewood", but not only them!
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                      6 June 2017 13: 43
                      pytar

                      We are talking about RPGs - 32 “Barkas” / export name “Hashim”, and “Nashshab” produced from assembly kits in Jordan /. Rostec has built a plant in Jordan where either 50 is produced. or 60 thousand. such things a year!

                      So what? And in Bulgaria they produce AKs with expired Soviet licenses and sell them worldwide violating the copyrights of the Russian developer ....
                      Unlike Bulgaria, Jordan produces our weapons legally.
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      23 March 2018 22: 11
      Quote: pytar
      How did RPK “Cornet” end up in the hands of Ishilov’s?

      a) local trophy
      b) from Libya
      c) from Turkey

      Was it fat trolling or subtle dullness?
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    6 June 2017 15: 25
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    pytar

    We are talking about RPGs - 32 “Barkas” / export name “Hashim”, and “Nashshab” produced from assembly kits in Jordan /. Rostec has built a plant in Jordan where either 50 is produced. or 60 thousand. such things a year!

    So what? And in Bulgaria they produce AKs with expired Soviet licenses and sell them worldwide violating the copyrights of the Russian developer ....
    Unlike Bulgaria, Jordan produces our weapons legally.

    The company in Jordan is Russian-Jordanian. So Rostec is in the know ... Finding a solution is probably not a big problem. But money is more important ... They earn it kooooeeechno ... for completely legitimate reasons! Under capitalism, it is. You just can’t put yourself in the right of a judge - moralist, since it is clear that the face is unclean.
    Bulgaria is not unlike, but precisely in accordance with international standards sells weapons. In total, 1000 times less than other large players / RF, USA, France, Germany, China, etc. /. As for the expired licenses, you Dr. Evil, read the documents on them ??? Are you a lawyer ??? If it is as you say, I don’t understand why the lawyer of these licenses cannot be sued? If he really had the right, then he probably would have made a judicial decision a long time ago! I AM FOR!!! good After all, the chatter about "expired licenses" lasts more than 20 years!

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