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Multipurpose nuclear aircraft carrier project 23000 "Storm". Infographics

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The Russian Navy plans to strengthen the new multi-purpose heavy nuclear aircraft carrier "Storm". The design of this unique ship was carried out by the Krylov State Research Center. With his help, the Russian fleet will be able to deploy a mobile base for a large air group in the most remote parts of the oceans.

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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 June 2017 08: 36
    +1
    It would be nice, but VERY expensive!
    He’ll eat half of the military budget.
  2. ProkletyiPirat
    ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 08: 39
    0
    when developing an aircraft carrier, you need to ask two questions
    which is cheaper?
    1) development and construction of an aircraft carrier and aviation for aircraft carriers + development of DVKD \ UDC
    2) development and construction of DVKD \ UDK + VTOL
    which is more effective?
    1) one aircraft carrier + four DVKD + aviation
    2) six to ten DVKD + VTOL aircraft

    as for me the second is cheaper, and more universal in battle.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 June 2017 08: 58
    +1
    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
    as for me the second is cheaper, and in battle more universally

    I think you are wrong.
    VTOL are more expensive and less effective than catapult.
    The fact that Americans are fencing the F-35 VTOL aircraft is like cockroaches in the head of the Marine Corps.
    If you remember, the Mistrals were priced at about a billion bucks apiece - and this does not take into account the wing and the tanks that will be inside.
    A warrant for escort ships is no less necessary for him.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 09: 17
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      the aircraft carrier also needs a warrant ...
      ejection aircraft are not needed, VTOL airborne missiles have ATL, ATO (fighter planes) and VTA (throwing SSO / DRG) airborne tasks; all other tasks are performed by the Air Force / VKS + air refueling. AWACS and BTA fit in the same Bell V-22 Osprey, and for VTOL-air defense, a large load is not required.
      Thus, it is possible to massively build universal DVKD \ UDC instead of aircraft carriers.
      as for the cost of the mistral, that is, the options are better and cheaper, personally, I generally tend to the concept of the MVTK.
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 June 2017 09: 27
    +2
    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
    ejection aircraft are not needed, VTOL on the sea have the tasks of airborne missile defense, air defense (fighter aircraft) and military aviation (abandonment of SSO / DRG)

    Hello!
    And does the abbreviation AUG not mean shock?
    Next, show me the VTOL AWACS! Can you imagine that?
    Hokai machine is not even small at all, but all because the AWACS antenna is hefty.
    Laws of formation of a radar signal of magic abb. AFAR does not mean a small antenna. The lower the frequency, the larger the antenna, and stealth must be caught by low-frequency radars.
    Helicopter DRLO - this is from poverty.

    Only a catapult! Only hardcore!
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 11: 41
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Next, show me the VTOL AWACS! Can you imagine that?

      Yes, please, I do not mind:
      Take the Bell V-22 Osprey => make a cutout in the bottom by analogy with the bomb bay => stuff the equipment inside and the folding AFAR => after takeoff, press the button and the AFAR moves out from below => laughing
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 16 June 2017 14: 01
        +1
        Take the Bell V-22 Osprey => make a cutout in the bottom by analogy with the bomb bay => stuff the equipment inside and the folding AFAR => after takeoff, press the button and the AFAR moves out from below =>
        (The voice of the janitor from the "Plasticine Crow")
        It will not be enough! laughing
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 15: 46
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          Quote: Victor_B
          Take the Bell V-22 Osprey => make a cutout in the bottom by analogy with the bomb bay => stuff the equipment inside and the folding AFAR => after takeoff, press the button and the AFAR moves out from below =>
          (The voice of the janitor from the "Plasticine Crow")
          It will not be enough! laughing

          and what will be not enough?
  5. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 June 2017 09: 29
    +1
    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
    the aircraft carrier also needs a warrant ...

    An aircraft carrier, by definition, is the protector of this order, and the DKVD itself needs protection, even with VTOL.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 11: 42
      0
      an aircraft carrier does not protect anyone, it only provides for the basing of aviation, but aviation just protects the warrant ...
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 16 June 2017 11: 52
        +1
        What an owl on a stump, what a kick on an owl!
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 13: 54
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          Quote: Victor_B
          What an owl on a stump, what a kick on an owl!

          There is a difference! because you can refuse an aircraft carrier in favor of VTOL + DVKD
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 16 June 2017 14: 07
            +1
            There is a difference! because you can refuse an aircraft carrier in favor of VTOL + DVKD
            Well, these are nails from different walls!
            Ships for different tasks!
            The task of one of them is to take everything to hell, and the other MDO.
            There is a full parachute of tanks with rogues. So what do they do in the blue sea-oksiyan? Their work is on the shore, but in order to get there AB just provides very much from over the horizon.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 15: 56
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              Yes, it does not provide nichrome, modern aircraft with an air-to-air refueling system bomb Libya when basing in England, and no deck-based aircraft will simply take the load of the load of a conventional aircraft, so the first strike is carried out by ordinary aircraft, and the airborne aircraft provide landing over a dozen kilometers from the coast , and the practical benefit of an aircraft carrier only in AWACS and a little air defense
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 16 June 2017 22: 04
                +1
                Totally agree!
                Therefore, the construction of the Russian AB is not very approving.
                Land aviation - rule!

                But VTOL is even worse than the deck ejection.
                There are many pluses, but ... a rare bird in the sky.
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 16 June 2017 22: 56
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                  so why so rare? Look at the basis of the tiltrotor osprey as a base, increase the dimensions a bit and increase the load capacity (it can be increased at least 2-3 times (from 5t to 10-15t)), all problems with PLO \ DRLO \ landing / transportation MTR + DRG are immediately solved in addition to it, we are making a VTOL fighter with the afterburner of the same f35 or our yaks, and all this, instead of aircraft carriers and truncated aircraft, will cost no more, and most likely less.
  6. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 16 June 2017 10: 20
    +2
    So far, all these plans for 2025 can be safely attributed to idle chatter, as they say - written with a pitchfork on the water! yes Eight years is still not a short time; all plans will still change twenty-five times!
    1. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 16 June 2017 15: 24
      +3
      or the king will die .. or the money will run out. but there won’t be a storm. Like many other ideas. until a new L.I. Brezhnev.D.F. USTINOV appears. and the new Admiral Gorshkov. All this is Rogozshchina. !!
      1. Atlant-1164
        Atlant-1164 16 June 2017 15: 26
        +2
        boom to upgrade Kuznetsov to the level of M +. and so on. Let's get to M2M ++
  7. ololo
    ololo 18 June 2017 01: 23
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    What prevents to build one piece for India and China as a workout? In response to sanctions, so to speak.
  8. mapuk
    mapuk 19 June 2017 17: 54
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    Only one question for specialists - where can a ship of this size be built?
    In the USSR there was a shipyard in Nikolaev, and then the slipways were not contained anywhere.

    Captain Lieutenant Stock Engineer
  9. vik669
    vik669 24 June 2017 14: 13
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    Artist, painter, young artist, Draw me a girl with a torn 3,14zdoy!