Civilized Cruelty

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Civilized CrueltyMuch has been written about American and English bombing in Europe during World War II; the Russian reader is less aware of the actions of the bomber aviation US to Japanese cities at the end of World War II. The facts are shocking, and against their background, even the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945 appears to be a rather ordinary affair, which fits quite well with the logic of air warfare by American aviation - up to now - in wars in Korea, Vietnam, and air strikes in Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq and Syria. Intoxicated by the unconditional success in the war with Japan, achieved without the landing of American troops on the Japanese islands proper, the Pentagon strategists wanted to make aviation the main means to achieve world domination. I, who served in the Air Defense Forces for more than two decades, recalls in this connection that in the late 40s and early 50s of the last century, the military personnel of the Strategic Air Command of the US Air Force had 1,5 heavy bombers, which was planned to be used against our country according to the scenario, which had been first tested in the cities of Germany and Japan. With the Soviet Union, this option failed. I want to believe that it will not work against modern Russia.

The article was prepared based on the materials of the foreign press and the book “Torch for the enemy” by M. Kaidan, published in 1992 year.



BEGINNING OF THE END

Exactly at noon 10 March 1945, the Japanese imperial headquarters in Tokyo issued the following communique:

“Today, 10 in March, shortly after midnight and before 02.40, near 130 B-29 bombers attacked Tokyo with all their might and made indiscriminate bombardment of the city. ... the bombing caused fires in various places of the capital. The fire in the headquarters building of the Imperial Ministry of the Court was taken under control at 02.35, and the rest no later than 08.00.

According to far from complete information, 15 was shot down and 50 aircraft were damaged ”...

Japanese newspapers, which were in the tight grip of censorship, published not only this brief message, but also several more lines that hinted at the unprecedented force of the blow and its consequences.

The scanty newspaper lines — no matter how hard the editors and publishers of Japanese newspapers tried — could not fully reflect the horror that Tokyo embraced after this raid of American bombers. The newspapers did not report that almost 17 square miles of territory in the industrial center of the city suffered a severe blow, after which only buildings remained from the buildings. There was no information about the number of dead, burned, and maimed residents. There was not a word that ordinary Japanese had learned over the following days: at least 48 thousand people died, and from 50 to 100 thousand people may also not be alive. The newspapers were silent about the fact that the city authorities, who knew the slums better than others, believed that the final list of the dead - although it was impossible to speak of exact figures - could reach a quarter of a million people.

The “Great” Tokyo 1923 earthquake of the year and the earth tremors with the ensuing fires caused the death - according to official figures - approximately 100 thousand people. Another 43 thousand people disappeared, and from this figure at least 25 thousand were also included in the list of the dead. As a result of the earthquake, tens of thousands of people were trapped under collapsed buildings, but the resulting fire moved much slower than the terrifying incoming wave of flame that rolled freely across Tokyo in the early morning hours of March 10. On this day, approximately 1945 hours, 6 square miles of Tokyo city territory burned out and more than 17 thousand inhabitants were killed.

Americans went to such a stunning "success" for several years ...

WAR

14 August 1945, the military ruler of more than half a billion people and the territory of the planet with an area of ​​almost 3 million square miles, recognized the complete defeat and surrendered without any conditions to his opponent. The empire, shortly before the capitulation reached its zenith in its conquests, collapsed as a world power, although it still had millions of well-equipped and trained soldiers and thousands of combat aircraft ready for the strongest suicide attack on the American invading forces.

Japanese land has not seen a single enemy soldier, and yet Japan surrendered. As M. Kaidan writes in his book, this happened as a result of well-coordinated efforts to increase the impact on it, for which the vast industrial resources of the United States were used.

“Fully recognizing the important contributions of other types of armed forces,” stated American General Henry Arnold in his November 12 1945 report of the year, “I believe that the contribution made by the air force can be justly called decisive ...

The collapse of Japan confirmed the validity of the entire strategic concept of the offensive phase of the war in the Pacific. Viewed broadly and simply, this strategy was to lead an air force attack, both land and carrier based, to such an extent that all the rage of the crushing air attack could be brought down on Japan itself, with the likelihood that such an attack will defeat Japan without invading (into it).

There was no need for invasion. ”

Americans are divided into three stages of the war against Japan. The first stage is defensive, it began with Pearl Harbor and the simultaneous attack of the Japanese in Oceania and in Asia. For the US, it was a period of despair - their troops retreated, suffering heavy losses. Then came the battle (June 1942 of the year) at Midway Atoll, when the US Navy first hit back and, as a result of successful strikes by dive bomber, destroyed the enemy's large aircraft carrier 4. This began the "defensive offensive period", or the period of "containment" of the Japanese from the expansion of their existing gains. The Americans began to conduct limited attacks (Guadalcanal), but the main task they considered was finding the possibility of arranging their manpower and military equipment in such a way that they could strike at the Japanese islands proper.

But at that time the war in Europe was for the United States the highest priority, so they could not allocate sufficient forces and means for decisive action in Asia.

By the middle of 1944, the outcome of the war in Europe was predetermined. She was not yet won, but there was no doubt about her outcome. Significantly reduced battlegrounds. The African continent was clear of the enemy. American troops were on the European continent, and from the east the Germans drove the Red Army.

The American program "Very Long Range Bomber", conceived several years ago, began to take on a real form. In Asia and Oceania, Americans made holes in the perimeter of Japanese defense, captured islands and accumulated material resources and manpower there for an offensive in Asia, and Japanese cities inevitably became the main target for a rapidly growing fleet huge B-29 bombers.

As Kaidan writes, B-29 brought an incredible stream of fire to Japan. Her ability to continue the war collapsed in the ashes of scarred and burnt urban centers. The share of two atomic bombs accounted for less than 3% of the damage from the total damage caused to the industrial centers of Japan. “But these bombs gave the Japanese, so anxious to save face, excuse and means for ending a long vain war with a touch of honor ...” the author points out.



15 June 1944 of the year was the day from which the American campaign to use long-range bombers began to unwind to burn the core of Japan. On this day, B-29 based in China dropped a lot of bombs on a huge metallurgical plant in Yavat; at the same time, the American marines fought a long-distance landing on Saipan Island (Mariana Islands) south of Yavat, which gave hope that the B-29 would soon have a good launch pad for the massive bombardments of Japan itself.

As Caydan points out, “on that day, the high command of Japan had to admit, at least to himself, that his beautiful dream of the isolation of the Japanese islands had turned into a terrible nightmare.”

The destruction of Japanese cities was predetermined in December 1943, when the United States decided to use a radically new weapons - very long range bombers - against Japan.

NEW WEAPONS

On the development of the Manhattan Project, which gave the US an atomic bomb and was considered the most expensive event in the US stories, 2 was spent billion dollars. However, even before the first B-29 took off in June 1943, it was already spent or planned to spend 3 billion on its development and production. In a situation of strictest secrecy, the bomber was designed for more than two years.

The B-29 was the first American bomber designed to operate from large (more than 9 km) heights; the plane was a mass of new products, in particular, sealed flight compartments and air heating system. However, the most impressive innovation was the centralized fire control system (CCSW), which provided remote fire control in the event of the death of one or several shooters from the firing points on the 5 aircraft (in aggregate 12 machine guns and 1 gun). It was assumed that the firing point placement scheme implemented at the bomber eliminates the presence of “dead zones” in which the attacking enemy fighter would not be exposed to firing effects of the bomber’s defensive armament. The effectiveness of the TsSOO also increased the electronic computer, which continuously gave data on the speed of the attacking enemy fighters and their range, and also determined the corrections for gravity, wind, air temperature and the altitude of the bomber itself.

In order to assess the effectiveness of the TsSUO, we say that during the first 6 months of combat use of the B-29 (from Chinese territory), Japanese fighters destroyed all 15 bombers, losing their aircraft to 102 as “probably destroyed”, 87 as “probably destroyed” and 156 as "Seriously damaged."

With a full combat load, the bomber's weight was 135 000 pounds (61 235 kg), of which 20 000 pounds (9072 kg) accounted for 40 bombs caliber 500 pounds (227 kg).

TESTING NEW WEAPONS

Initially, the US military command planned to use the B-29 centrally, as a single mobile force, since it was not economical to keep all the bombers on one theater of operations. Most of all, the fact that B-29, due to its weight and size, could only act from reinforced runways, worked against this concept.

Initially, to maximize the approach of B-29 to targets on the Japanese islands in the region of Chengdu (China), construction began on four new airfields for bombers and three airfields for fighter planes; Several hundred thousand Chinese workers were involved in the construction.

By June 1944, B-29 was ready for a combat debut in Asia. 5 June 1944 of the year 98 bombers from bases in India flew into a raid on Siam (Thailand), where 77 aircraft were able to drop their bombs on targets, of which only 48 bombers hit their targets. After 10 days, 15 June, 75 aircraft B-29 attacked the steel plant in Yamata, of which only 45 bombers dropped bombs, of which none hit the target.

During the two raids, the Americans lost 9 aircraft - without opposition from the enemy, and the raids were more likely to have a psychological effect - positive for the Americans and negative for their opponent.

Generally speaking, in the nine months of hostilities from the territory of China, the B-29 bombers, summarized in the XX Bomber Command, carried out 49 raids (3058 sorties) and dropped tons of high-explosive and incendiary bombs on the enemy 11 477. Targets on the territory of Japan itself were minimally affected by American aviation, so the Matterhorn project, which envisaged an attack on the Japanese islands from bases in continental Asia, was curtailed and the actions of the XX Bomber Command were deemed "failures."

ON MARIAN ISLANDS

In the chronicle of the war with Japan, the date 15 of June 1944 of the year mentioned above is remarkable not only by the bombing of the Yavat metallurgical combine, but also by the fact that on this day the American marines launched their landing on the island of Saipan (Marianas), which was defended by several tens of thousands of soldiers the emperor, and within a month, having broken the organized resistance of the Japanese, took him under control. Soon the Americans captured two more of the largest southern islands in the Mariana Islands - Tinian and Guam.

Saipan has an area of ​​approximately 75 square miles, and from it to Tokyo is approximately 800 miles closer than from Chendu, located on mainland China, from the airfields of which B-29 operated before. A few months of hard work on the construction of airfields, and now in 24 in November 1944, the first raid on Tokyo with high-explosive and incendiary bombs from Saipan takes 100 B-29. Bombing using airborne radar was carried out from high altitudes, but the result of this and most of the raids that followed it left much to be desired. So, 4 March 1945 of the year took place the eighth B-29 raid on the Masashino plant in Tokyo, which withstood all previous raids by both bombers and carrier-based aircraft, and continued to work. 192 B-29 participated in the eighth raid, but the damage to the plant was “slightly more serious than a scratch”. The target area was completely covered by clouds, and B-29 dropped bombs on the radar, unable to observe the results, and as a result - a complete failure of the raid. The reasons for this failure, as well as the campaign as a whole, should be sought first and foremost in the accuracy of the bombing of B-29 crews, which was officially characterized as “deplorable” and was considered the weakest link in the campaign; Another reason for the failure was the “shocking” percentage of aircraft that, for various reasons, interrupted the flight and returned to the departure aerodrome (up to 21% of the number of aircraft that took off for the raid); finally, there was a large number of aircraft, which for various reasons made landing on the water and were lost, conceived together with the crews.

Having headed the XXIX of the XXI Bomber Command (Mariana Islands) on January 20, Major General Le Mey carefully analyzed the results of the bomber raids and made cardinal conclusions. “I may have been wrong,” said the general regarding the X-NUMX B-1945 bombers based on Saipan, Tinian and Guam, subordinate to him, “but, having studied the photo-intelligence data, I considered that Japan was poorly prepared to repel nightly raids from low altitudes . She lacked radar and anti-aircraft artillery guns. If it happened in the skies over Germany, then we would have failed because the German air defense was too strong. And for complete success in Japan, it was necessary to have enough bomb load on airplanes to “saturate” the bombing area. I had enough shock force, because I had three bomber wings. ”

The decision of Le Mey was undoubtedly influenced by the fact that, in contrast to Europe, where city buildings and factory buildings were made of durable materials, residential buildings and factory buildings in 90% in Japanese cities were made of flammable materials.

On the morning of March 9, 1945, in the rooms of the pre-flight briefing of the XXI Bomber Command, after setting the tasks, crews had an unexpected silence - the pilots began to realize what they had just heard:

- a series of strongest nightly strikes with incendiary bombs will be inflicted on the main industrial cities of Japan;

- bombing will be carried out from heights in the 5000 – 8000 ft range (1524 – 2438 m);

- the aircraft will not be defensive weapons and ammunition, except for firing points in the tail of the aircraft; in subsequent raids they will also be dismantled; crews will fly abbreviated;

- combat orders - for flight to the target, its attack and return to the departure base - will not be; airplanes will act individually;

- The first goal will be Tokyo - a city known for its strong air defense.

According to Le May, the main group should have been preceded by the actions of guidance aircraft, which would mark target points for strike aircraft.

And the crews instructed on how to behave if they were shot down and they were on the ground: "... hurry to surrender to the military, as civilians will beat you on the spot ... during interrogations, never call the Japanese Japs, this is certain death ...".

By the end of the day, 9 March 1945, the guidance aircraft (each had 180 napalm bombs weighing 70 pounds; the bombs of these bombs were set to 100 feet, where they exploded and threw the combustible mixture in different directions, which ignited everything she encountered on the way) were over the target and laid out the letter "X" with napalm bombs. Crosshair "X" was the aiming point for the main group B-29, which, starting from a quarter of an hour after midnight 10 in March 1945, began to bomb the city. Time bomb meters on the bombers were set to dump magnesium bombs every 50 feet (15,24 m) of the track - in this situation every square mile in the target area "received" at least 8333 incendiary bombs with a total weight of 25 tons.

A few miles from the attacked area was the home of a member of the Swedish embassy, ​​who described the raid impressions in this way: “The bombers looked great, they changed color like chameleons ... the planes looked greenish, caught in the rays of searchlights, or red when they flew over the fire… White buildings brick and stone burned bright flames, and the fire of wooden buildings gave a yellowish flame. A huge wave of smoke hung over the gulf of Tokyo. ”

The residents of Tokyo who fell into the fire trap had no time for beauty and figurative comparisons. As the city’s fire department chief reported later, “at 00.45, half an hour after the bombing began, the situation was completely out of control and we were completely helpless ...”

Prior to this raid, the Japanese didn’t suspect that tons of incendiary bombs dropped from one 29 8 turned the territory of 600 size to 2000 feet (183 – 609 m) into a flaming hell in a matter of minutes, which is impossible to get out of. The German Hamburg, which fell in July 1943, under a massive bombardment of British aviation, became the first city in history to be hit by a firestorm. Tokyo got the sad glory of the first city in the world, in which a fiery hurricane raged, in which primary flames from dropping incendiary bombs stuck into the ignited houses of the Japanese and almost instantly rushed up and to the side. The speed of the spread of fire was incredible, like a strong fire of dry trees in a large forest; the fire itself literally exploded as the fire progressed. Small fires connected into huge glowing spheres, as if animated, these spheres jumped from one building to another, overcoming a distance of several hundred feet at a time and causing a victim in his way to a powerful flash, which immediately transformed the city block or even several blocks. to hell.

Driven by the wind, whose ground speed reached 28 miles per hour, the fire spread rapidly, absorbing the new fires and the volumes of hot heat from tens of thousands of magnesium bombs; the fire became a pillar of fire, then took the form of a wall of fire that galloped across the burning roofs of buildings, then, under strong wind pressure, the wall bent and began to lean toward the ground, absorbing the oxygen-rich surface layer and raising the burning temperature. That night in Tokyo, she reached a fantastic number in 1800 degrees Fahrenheit (982,2 degrees Celsius).

Due to the low heights of the bombing of the cockpit, the B-29 crews were not sealed - the pilots did not need to wear oxygen masks. As Kayden testifies, “in the bombers above the city, gases from the fire raging below began to penetrate, and the cabins began to fill with a strange veil that had a blood-red hue. The pilots could not bear what was brought into the cockpit along with the veil, they choked, they were coughing and vomiting, they grabbed their masks to greedily swallow pure oxygen ... Military pilots could tolerate anything, but not the all-pervading stench of burning human flesh, which to the height of two miles filled the air above the city lying in agony ... "

According to official Japanese data, more than 130 thousand people died that day; Thousands of them died in terrible agony, being welded - people were looking for salvation from fire in urban waters, but they boiled when incendiary bombs hit them.

12 March 1945 was the turn for the city of Nagoya, a more modern city with buildings made of refractory materials and the best firefighters in the country. The raid was attended by 286 B-29, which burned the entire 1,56 square miles of city square, but important industrial facilities were located there. March 14 2240 tons of bombs were dropped on Osaka - the center of heavy industry and the country's third largest port; everything (including the largest factories) in the 9 square miles was burnt out or completely destroyed in the city. 17 March was bombarded by Kobe, a large road and rail junction and shipbuilding center, and 2300 tons of bombs were dropped on it. The final blow in this blitzkrieg was a repeated raid on Nagoya (2000 tons of bombs).

Thus, in five B-29 raids, more than 29 square miles of territory were burned in the largest industrial centers of Japan, dropping 10 100 tons of bombs to them. Losses in bombers from Japanese fighters and anti-aircraft artillery accounted for just 1,3% of the planes that were over the target (in later raids they fell to 0,3%).

After a short respite, the Americans resumed raids, and Tokyo turned into a city of absolute terror - on the night of April 13, 1945 B-327 bombs were dropped on it, and after three hours W-29 bombed again around Tokyo. 36 May 29; 24 bombers dropped more than 1945 tons of bombs on the city; after two days, when the fires from the previous raid had not yet been burned out, 520 tons of M-3600 bombs, which were a combination of a high-explosive charge and a combustible mixture, were dropped on Tokyo. After this raid, the city was deleted from the list of targets (a total of 3252 77 tons of bombs were dropped on the city). In Tokyo, there are slightly more 11 million inhabitants, the rest left the city.

Avalanches of high-explosive and incendiary bombs rained down on Nagoya - "the city that did not catch fire." Nagoya has not experienced fires of such strength as Tokyo, but after the fourth raid with the use of incendiary bombs (and before that there were also 9 bombings by high-explosive bombs) Nagoya was removed from the list of targets.

The rink of fire crushed Japan. 29 May 1945, the huge port of Yokohama was removed from the list of targets after only one raid, in which 459 B-29 dropped 2769 tons of bombs to the city and burned 85% of its area. The city of Osaka, the country's second largest city, was hit in a series of blows after 6110 tons of bombs were dropped on it. Japanese authorities announced that 53% of the city had been destroyed and that more than 2 million of its inhabitants had fled.

By mid-June, 1945, the second phase of the incendiary bomb campaign, had reached its goal - in the five largest industrial cities in Japan, there was nothing more to bomb; from their total city square in 446 square miles to square 102 square miles where the vital enterprises were located, there was absolute destruction.

The only major city to escape the bombing was Kyoto (5-th largest in the country), a famous religious center.

From 17 June 1945, incendiary bomb raids were launched against cities with populations from 100 to 350 thousand; after a month of 23 bombing such cities were removed from the list of targets.

Since 12 July 1945, the last group of targets began to strike - cities with a population of less than 100 thousand people.

By the time the US dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, B-29 with its incendiary bomb raids burned down the area in 178 square miles in Japan’s 69 cities (atomic bombings increased this figure by 3%), and underwent direct impact from the bombings more than 21 million people.

As General Le May later put it, “another six months, and we would have bombed the Japanese in the early Middle Ages ...”

In less than half a year, counting from 10 in March 1945, with incendiary bombardments, civilian population losses in Japan more than doubled Japan’s military losses in the 45 months of the US war.
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  1. +8
    28 May 2017 15: 39
    The purposeful destruction of the civilian population is the main quality of the Anglo-skunks, and in all wars. And I mean the soldier’s dull rage, when (in battle) you get wild with blood and destroy everything you see. No, in the silence of the headquarters, the big bosses are slowly planning to destroy women, the elderly and children.

    I must say right away that the Japanese warriors would be destroyed without any pity, this category does not fall under the convention.
    1. +6
      28 May 2017 17: 01
      The purposeful destruction of the civilian population of Chinese cities and civilians by means of carpet bombing, massacre of the population of these cities is a mass of war crimes both in China and in the occupied territories, inhuman treatment of prisoners, their mass executions of bullying as chopping off Chinese people and children’s heads, tearing stomachs, etc. Japan was warned during the war, and more than once! They got what they deserved and earned according to the full program, but by the way, and add, too much is unlikely to have arrived. The Americans did everything right in this case
      1. +6
        28 May 2017 22: 24
        Quote: Rvanina
        The Americans did everything right in this case


        The Americans were very worried about the Chinese, are you serious?
        Yes, they wanted to chew on everyone but their loved ones.

        The Japanese attacked the MILITARY base, and not peaceful American cities (there’s nothing to even avenge).
        Next

        Quote: chenia
        Japanese warriors would be destroyed without any pity, this category does not fall under the convention.


        A civilian population zas. For the Americans immediately began to differ little from the Japanese military, the same scum. And deserve what I have described above.
        1. +1
          28 May 2017 23: 55
          You didn’t carefully read a few men — that the Japanese sowed and reaped. The American prisoners were driven into bunkers, rolled up barrels of fuel there and burned them alive. I personally do not regret the Japanese. Moreover, they were asked to observe the norms of war. to the houses of reeds.
          1. +1
            29 May 2017 01: 24
            Better remember that your beloved Americans were generally taught to take Japanese prisoners only by giving each 3 days of vacation and a box of ice cream.
            1. 0
              29 May 2017 08: 57
              Well, I didn’t tell you about my love for Americans, but judging by your flag, you sold Russia for a couple of fried wurstchen und ein paar Flasche von Bier. Du bist also ein Verraeter und du bist kein Freund von mir.Halte bitte deine Schnauze
              1. 0
                29 May 2017 10: 58
                You’ve been frank about this here, take a walk ...
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                  1. -1
                    29 May 2017 17: 28
                    Walk about your yes about love more ...
                    1. 0
                      29 May 2017 19: 31
                      Are you stupid ....
                      1. 0
                        30 May 2017 00: 17
                        You are not???
                      2. 0
                        30 May 2017 21: 25
                        Quote: chenia
                        A civilian population zas. For the Americans immediately began to differ little from the Japanese military, the same scum. And deserve what I have described above.

                        they immediately fit in with the highlighted word for their own.
      2. -1
        11 March 2018 20: 35
        What is the habit of moving away from the topic of the article?. And where are the Japanese, if the "main characters" are Americans?
  2. +6
    28 May 2017 15: 47
    What is characteristic, we remember who bombed the Japanese are already sure that the USSR did it .. That's what brainwashing does ...
    1. +5
      28 May 2017 16: 05
      Quote: parusnik
      What is characteristic, we remember who bombed the Japanese are already sure that the USSR did it .. That's what brainwashing does ...

      It remains to convince the Japanese that we can set the sun back.
    2. +2
      28 May 2017 23: 18
      Dear parusnik! It may be enough to repeat this myth that the Japanese do not remember and do not know who bombed their islands ?! Everyone there remembers and knows beautifully and I assure you there 99% are sure that the USA did it! A fake launched by our labor patriots in any healthy person causes only a smile.
      1. +1
        29 May 2017 01: 04
        Most Japanese thought so 10 years ago, now no longer. The emperor did not say in his speech who dropped the bomb, but in the same days the USSR attacked and both events were twice linked in a speech in one sentence. Then, school books were written in exactly the same way. And nowhere was it mentioned exactly who did this.
        1. +2
          29 May 2017 03: 48
          Respected!!! Due to its geographical location, I have not had to deal with the Japanese both with the older generation and with youth more than once. So I dare to assure you how it was realized that the United States bombed them and they protect it. Unlike this country, the Japanese respect their history both to its negative and positive sides! By the way, they don’t think to repent and apologize to anyone (as the Germans did) and are still planning a rematch.
          1. +1
            29 May 2017 06: 53
            Me too. In what years did they communicate? All this time until 2007, they nurtured such plans in the direction of the USSR. Any Japanese Far East knows about this Japanese kooky, it is not even discussed.
            1. 0
              29 May 2017 07: 24
              Beginning in 1991 to this day, intermittent communication takes place with representatives of the goddess Amaterasu. Not only towards the USSR, but also Korea and parts of China and Mongolia. I dare to assure you that they still have not refused and will not abandon their plans.
              1. 0
                29 May 2017 07: 28
                The last time in early 2000 and partially already knew. The main thing is not in the direction of the United States.
          2. 0
            11 March 2018 20: 53
            as I despise. such as you are "in the nobility", devils. pretending to be intellectuals. And the WORD “READ” write through “Щ” and almost all as one. Those who have no idea about the spelling of the “not” particle with different parts of speech. Learn elementary literacy, and then talk about history.
    3. +8
      29 May 2017 00: 29
      Dear Sailboat. No need to make such statements is unknown from whose words. Better get together somehow and visit the Peace Memorial Museum in Hiroshima and the Atomic Bomb Museum in Nagasaki.
      A visit to the museum in Hiroshima, by the way, is included in the school curriculum. And everything in these museums is there, and who invented the bomb, and who dropped and how many died. So all the Japanese know.
      Yes, surprisingly, in Japan there are forces that, focusing on youth, are trying to rewrite history. But such forces are everywhere. Is there only in Japan attempts to revise history? Japan is a very peculiar country, these processes in it also have their own specifics.
      However, the gembaku bungaku (the literature on the atomic bombing) is constantly published, and opposition to the supporters of the “new wave” is not weakening.
      Read something, Ibuse Masuji, Black rain, for example.
      1. +1
        29 May 2017 01: 03
        the monument says who did it on the reverse side.
  3. +7
    28 May 2017 18: 13
    Before the war in Korea, the Americans had a great desire to be bombed by nuclear weapons in the USSR. But the loss of B-29 from reactive aviation (MIG-15) greatly cooled hotheads. And the number of jet fighters was already sufficient from all directions.
  4. +1
    28 May 2017 20: 47
    Well, what can I say? This is incomprehensible to the mind ...
  5. +5
    28 May 2017 23: 29
    Regarding the article ... The bombardment has not had the moral impact that is described in this work. The words of Le May in general can be treated with irony! The Amerikans planned another two years to fight. Japan went to surrender solely from the complete exhaustion of the mat. resources. And only the government, the generals and the army capitulated, as well as the civilian population, were ready to fight further, which was confirmed by the mass suicides of the Japanese who shamed it.
    1. +2
      29 May 2017 01: 11
      Exclusively due to the loss of its WMD and the threat of occupation of the USSR.
      Japanese land has not yet seen a single enemy soldier, and yet Japan surrendered.

      "Karafuto" and others. "Northern Territories" from Hokkaido at 1200 km along to Kamchatka itself, in their own terms, is this not "Japanese land"? Also, Korea was considered a part of Japan (not a colony) for a long time.
      After the Japanese state in Manchuria showed its failure, the Soviet troops had less than the same number to go to Tokyo. Or two times as much as they breaking through a solid Japanese defense passed on Sakhalin. In addition to the wooden peaks, the Japanese had nothing to stop them, so they quickly let in the Yankees.
      Kamikaze raids can be used to sink destroyers or military transports but not fast torpedo boats with paratroopers at crossings across the straits.
      1. 0
        29 May 2017 03: 56
        Do not tell me resident of Sakhalin !!! Here, when the Japanese did not have a solid defense !!! With all due respect to you! The KTOF forces at that time were significantly inferior even to the utterly defeated Imperial fleet! So landing in Japan would cost us very much.
        1. +1
          29 May 2017 06: 57
          There was absolutely nothing to do for the Japanese fleet within the range of Soviet coastal aviation ... He could not do anything in Korea and the Kuril Islands. In the shelling from the sea of ​​Soviet troops on Sakhalin, he was not particularly noticed either. In Hokkaido and south of the Japanese defense was not at all, as well as almost no troops.
          1. 0
            29 May 2017 07: 37
            Gg, it doesn’t bother you that Hirohito gave the order for surrender already on August 15! That is, before the Kuril operation! And without the Kuril Islands, the seizure of Hokkaido is generally meaningless! Oh yes, recall the number of aviation in this direction of the 8 dozen aircraft, only half in working condition. If the Japanese hadn’t received an order to surrender on August 15, we would have also organized a blood bath in the Kuril Islands, and so there would have been more Japanese casualties, despite the fact that, unlike the Manjurian, the Japanese didn’t practically use Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands
            1. 0
              29 May 2017 11: 03
              In the Kuril operation, in Manchuria and on Sakhalin after August 15, they allegedly did not resist ?! Especially if on just one of the islands we have more losses than they suffered?
              The capture of the Kuril Islands after the capture of Hokkaido could be postponed altogether until later, as the Japanese sunbathed on the atolls to the south ...
        2. 0
          8 February 2018 11: 21
          Periud is significant!
  6. +5
    29 May 2017 10: 14
    I can’t understand one thing, what is the problem?
    The Japanese were very aggressive, even worse than the German SS, so they re-educated them
    1. +1
      29 May 2017 11: 04
      It turns out that the United States itself was worse than the German SS.
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        29 May 2017 11: 19
        Again....
        Well, let's debate ...
        What did the Americans do that they were worse than the SS?
        I'm not talking about ordinary Wehrmacht soldiers, namely the SS
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          29 May 2017 11: 29
          For example, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and another 70 Japanese and more than 160 German cities. Without any military necessity. In France, they bombed the French with bombs more than the Germans during the entire war and occupation. The British did the same in Greece. Almost to the end, they simply did not capture Japanese soldiers. In Europe, not only the Soviets but also the German paratroopers were not captured. The Americans and the British violated almost all the laws of warfare.
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            29 May 2017 12: 07
            If we or the Germans had nuclear weapons before the Americans, I assure you, she would have gone into action immediately.
            German industry and military factories were often located in cities or their environs.
            And the raids of the "fortresses" were needed to destroy the industry with which they successfully coped. Of course, there were misses, etc. because then there were no smart bombs, but they just threw pieces of iron.
            Regarding France and Greece, you give at least one source.

            the Japanese in the code indicated that if you surrendered, then you dishonored your family, which means you must kill yourself. Therefore, they took few prisoners, and whom they took was appropriate for them ... they paid them back with the same coin.
            Yeah, well then, why did German troops more readily surrender on the western front?
            Regarding violation of laws, name at least one reason why chlorine or other poisonous gases were not thrown off to Germany? After all, they could

            I don’t understand where so much anger is at the people who helped us win the already very difficult war for us.
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              29 May 2017 12: 15
              Not that way. The raids of the "fortresses" were on residential neighborhoods in order to simply kill civilians. Industry, on the contrary, was supposed to remain intact in order to make weapons for the assassination of Russians in the East by German hands.
              You will find sources about France and Greece in google.
              They took prisoners, the Japanese code does not apply to whites, so they were.
              They gave up more willingly in the West because they inherited in the East and did not know that then 4,5 million of them, after the abolition of "Unthinkable", the Anglo-Americans and French would starve to death in the camps.
              Instead of chlorine, sarin would have definitely flown back.
              The American government of these people, for example, supplied the Germans with motor oil without which they could not have fought with us back in 1942.
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                  29 May 2017 12: 50
                  Purely practically aimed at them, not at the plants. Those who were at the time at the shift and they worked.
                  So you will find it in Google yourself. Or maybe even feed from a spoon?
                  Usually they chopped those Chinese who slowly chopped off a piece of other Chinese ate.
                  Before the English Channel, the USSR planned later. And it was a plan and not an intention.
                  On V-1/2 (from submarines to America) for example. The Me-264 Strategist is much better than the B-29. Republic-Ford_JB-2 Loon was copied by the Americans immediately and for the same purpose.
                  Why is this not immediately necessary? Engines can work without phantom, but not without oil.
                  And they supplied us equipment that the Angles, Americans, and the custodians refused to sell. Tankers were trained under Bronstein, claims to him.
                  It would not have been necessary to supply these 100 oil later with the wrong oil, I did not see any arguments at all!
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                    29 May 2017 13: 05
                    Purely practically they don’t aim, an airplane flying at an altitude of more than 10 km can’t aim where to bomb.

                    You threw a fact into my face about the murders of civilians in France and Greece, well, confirm your words. Or do I need to look for the truth in your words?) By golly how small ...

                    Quote: wazza
                    On V-1/2 (from submarines to America) for example. The Me-264 Strategist is much better than the B-29.

                    Are you serious fow ?? Right? I recommend reading about the effectiveness of these missiles. Me.264 is the one in the ONLY copy? Yes, he was much better than the fortress. And most importantly, it was a terrible threat.

                    Here I copied it from the wiki:
                    1 tons of feed grain and legumes,
                    900 tons of oil worth about
                    100 tons of cotton worth about
                    500 000 tons of phosphate
                    100 000 tons of chromite ores
                    500 000 tons of iron ore
                    300 000 tons of pig iron scrap and pig iron
                    2 400 kg of platinum
                    And this is the end of 40 beginning of 41.

                    Quote: wazza
                    It would not have been necessary to supply these 100 oil later with the wrong oil, I did not see any arguments at all!

                    understood nothing from this paragraph.
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                      29 May 2017 13: 39
                      How it is? They even hit Tirpitz! Of course you need it, I won’t go to Google for links for you. You know what to look for.
                      And what have you read about the effectiveness of these missiles? And why did such Americans copy?
                      Not the only one. Three pieces. With a radiological bomb - very much.
                      And for what? Who asked you to do this? The USA fought with Germany at this time?
                      When the USSR fought with Germany, the United States, even after receiving a declaration of war from them six months later, allowed tankers to send oil and motor oil through third countries there.
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                        29 May 2017 14: 20
                        Quote: wazza
                        How it is? They even hit Tirpitz! Of course you need it, I won’t go to Google for links for you. You know what to look for.

                        Well, 3 bombs hit the ship, it doesn’t really say.

                        Quote: wazza
                        And what have you read about the effectiveness of these missiles? And why did such Americans copy?

                        At best, only half of all fired missiles reached London, and I'm not talking about goals. Just the territory.
                        Weapons are new promising weapons, why did we copy the German Juno jet engines? New technologies. Without this, you would not see a moment, 9, 15 so soon.
                        Quote: wazza
                        Not the only one. Three pieces. With a radiological bomb - very much.

                        Well, here I am, no threat. And how many of the 3 prototypes could reach the US coast?

                        Quote: wazza
                        And for what? Who asked you to do this? The USA fought with Germany at this time?

                        At what time, well, write at least minimally informative.
                        Quote: wazza
                        When the USSR fought with Germany, the United States, even after receiving a declaration of war from them six months later, allowed tankers to send oil and motor oil through third countries there.

                        I looked for you, and found that there were small deliveries from one private company to another. for example 10k. tone of cotton or 25k tone of explosives.
                        We also sent 25k tone. Baku oil every month for 39-41
                        And these are not gifts, this is the trade of Germany bought it all for the brand.

                        So why did you write about these deliveries? What they bring or what they say, yes there were people who sympathized with Hitler.

                        Again I ask you to give me an example of the atrocities of the Americans, over captured Germans or civilians, at least some.
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                      29 May 2017 17: 39
                      Does the word "dehousing" mean something? The ship is much smaller than the industrial zone or city block.
                      Then they were already marking simply on the territory. In the MiG-15 is not humo.
                      About his, not that. Just the shore can be fired from a submarine, not even the "Moon".
                      In which he himself was written.
                      It was necessary to hoot about Rockefeller tankers and not about this and tank armor.
                      It seems he started with it? And what is necessary?
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                        29 May 2017 17: 58
                        does not speak.
                        German pilots on pieces in tanks threw bombs and? Well, 3 bombs from Lancaster got into the ship? What does this have to say that when the “fortresses” system flies, they can choose where to put the bomb?
                        Quote: wazza
                        In the MiG-15 is not humo.

                        Of course not humo, but without the trophy "swallows" we would not be able to catch up in Britain, even Britain ... I’m silent about the states. Who had their own development, just did not have time to do during the war.
                        Quote: wazza
                        About his, not that. Just the shore can be fired from a submarine, not even the "Moon".

                        Yes, it went all over the Atlantic, and fired at the coastline .... it was easier to send the fau like that already))
                        Quote: wazza
                        It was necessary to hoot about Rockefeller tankers and not about this and tank armor.

                        A businessman and a private person, I wrote that there were people who sympathized with Hitler.
                        If we take into account how much the United States transferred to Germany, then this is a drop in the bucket, it did not do any weather.
                        I ask again, give an example of the atrocities of Americans in World War II ....
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                29 May 2017 12: 38
                Well, even if, purely theoretically, the raids killed civilians purposefully, who do you think worked in military factories?

                So there will be no source?

                Tell that to the Chinese whom they chopped with swords.
                This is the plan according to which, after the defeat of Germany, the USSR was next in line?
                So we had the main task to reach the English Channel, but could not.

                And how could he fly? on what? Call me at least one German strategist?

                oh, it’s not only about deliveries, they brought the phantom there, so what?
                And we trained their tankmen, and put material on the creation of a Blitzkrieg tank army, which (ironically) turned against us. I can tell you from memory that the USSR was supplied about 100 tons of ore to create high-quality tank armor. so this is too .... bad argument you made.
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                  29 May 2017 13: 02
                  immediately higher answer ...
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                29 May 2017 12: 48
                You have not instilled an example of atrocities, Americans. Just shuffle historical events back and forth.
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                  29 May 2017 13: 03
                  Why? Examples were given and many ... Did you read the article at all?
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                    29 May 2017 13: 12
                    I read the article, well, they bombed Japan, so there’s a lot about incendiary bombing, and that’s all ....
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                      29 May 2017 13: 38
                      Was it about the fact that with these incendiary they killed a lot more than atomic?
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                        29 May 2017 13: 53
                        So bombing the city is bad. And to storm them with even greater losses on both sides, is that good?
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                      29 May 2017 17: 39
                      It's necessary. Is it that during the storming of Berlin more civilians died in it than in Dresden?
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                        29 May 2017 18: 12
                        The first thing that I found in Dresden killed about 25000 civilians, and during the storming of Berlin 125000 civilians.
                        We believe:
                        Berlin 4 339 000 for 39 years 125000+ (losses from the assault on off.data somewhere else 40000) from 4339000 is 4%
                        Dresden 642 for 000 years 39 of 25000 is 642000%
                        So what's the difference ???
                        He counted for 39 years, for 45 the number of people I think was less.
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                      30 May 2017 00: 14
                      Well, then I was looking. In Dresden, even the British write that 135 thousand. Estimates of others vary from 225 thousand to 660 + thousand. with refugees.
                      Was that about them?
                      Berlin by that time, in addition to the three million local population, there were up to three hundred thousand foreign workers, including “Ostarbeiters,” most of whom were forcibly deported to Germany. Entrance to bomb shelters and basements was prohibited.

                      Part of the Berlin garrison and civilian refugees, frightened by Goebbels propaganda about the atrocities of the Red Army, went into the breakthrough. One of the groups under the command of the commander of the 1st (Berlin) anti-aircraft division, Major General Otto Zyudov, was able to leak to Spandau through subway tunnels from the Zoo area. In the area of ​​the exhibition hall on the Mazurenalley, it connected with German units retreating from the Kurfürstendamm. The units of the Red Army and the Polish Army stationed in this area did not engage in battle with the retreating units of the Nazis. The systematic destruction of the retreating units began in the area of ​​bridges across the Havel and continued throughout the flight towards Elba.
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                        30 May 2017 01: 43
                        Quote: wazza
                        Well, then I was looking. In Dresden, even the British write that 135 thousand. Estimates of others vary from 225 thousand to 660 + thousand. with refugees.


                        In 2008, a commission of German historians, commissioned by the city of Dresden, estimated the death toll in the range from 18 to 25 thousand people. On March 17, 2010, the official report of the commission working since 2004 was presented.
                        It’s you who are already promoting propaganda under the sauce of half-truth.
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                      30 May 2017 00: 16
                      So you need to google, and see how this word is translated.
                      They have an aim for this and target markers flew ahead.
                      From a swallow the Soviets just needed an alloy of the humo combustion chamber. Keep silent about the states.
                      Not easier. The Japanese fired, the Germans, too.
                      Which the US owns. The weather would immediately have done if the Wehrmacht had been left without its Luftwaffe and Panzervaffe without this oil in the summer of 1942.
                      Ask ... it was already written in the article and right after you wanted to "debate".
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                        30 May 2017 01: 53
                        Can't even answer? Bad ...

                        Quote: wazza
                        From a swallow the Soviets just needed an alloy of the humo combustion chamber. Keep silent about the states.

                        Mig-9 this is a swallow with only one engine ... the layout is one.
                        Quote: wazza
                        Which the US owns. The weather would immediately have done if the Wehrmacht had been left without its Luftwaffe and Panzervaffe without this oil in the summer of 1942.

                        Why are you so clinging to the oil, I repeat it did not weather.
                        I will say so at the Wehrmacht in 43 ran out of resources that we sold them.
                        Who would have thought that at 39-40 a friend, and at 41 already an enemy.
                        Quote: wazza
                        Ask ... it was already written in the article and right after you wanted to "debate".

                        You didn’t throw anything to me, and you are not going to throw anything. And therefore I do not see the point of fighting with peas against the wall. Auf Wiedersehen meine dummen gesprächspartner
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                        30 May 2017 01: 57
                        You stick one nonsense. And about the MiG-9, too.
                        Repeat as you like. Without the American engine oil, the Wehrmacht would have remained in the summer of 1942 with only one infantry, cavalry and guns, worse than in the WWI.
                        You sold them to them through third countries throughout the war. So that this does not happen.
                        Drain back to the sewer system is counted, take a pie there and your 30 American paper Rockefeller silver pieces unsecured from gold.
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                      30 May 2017 01: 51
                      It’s you who stick in some recent idiotic pocket commission.
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                        30 May 2017 02: 06
                        Which established such a number of victims according to the few surviving city registers, because the others also burned down.
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            29 May 2017 19: 45
            But we didn’t take prisoner tankers, nor snipers or SSovtsev prisoners, and in general we tried not to take Germans prisoner. Here I read an interview with a veteran duck in front of him, the rushing Studer flew into the prisoner of war prisoner and transferred them in a heap, like prisoners of war who had already been collected ours and treated to cigarettes to the group 4 tanks drove up and unrolled the towers and mowed them off with machine guns — tankers didn’t capture Germans at all because the tankers burned like candles and were extremely angry at the Germans ..- These are all real cases. The Slavs were witnesses . That the kilometer-long columns were crushed by tanks without slowing down with the refugees, and the question of why they didn’t slow down the answer was simple: my group should be there for N hours. If I miss a column of 10 kilometers, I myself will get under trebunal. As a result, the column of tanks crashes into the column of refugees and the meat extravaganza begins who managed to jump back, he is alive, but that cutlet. attack aircraft how they having fun mowed such columns? And I don’t give a damn that my hands are up to the elbow in the blood — I saw something on our territory that the Germans did, which you never dreamed of
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              30 May 2017 02: 11
              Quote: Rvanina
              Rvanina

              What else are you scumbling from under the Russian flag about Russia bad, so that your tropical American favorites do not look completely ugly?
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                30 May 2017 09: 04
                but what do I want and I’m scribbling-hilfswillige-go for a sausage and go there to go fat fatau? lover of sausages and sweaty thick babes
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                  30 May 2017 09: 07
                  American (?) thicker, go there ...
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                    30 May 2017 17: 48
                    People really amuse sometimes, at least sometimes neighing Well, if such a body as you can call a person
                    PS And last but not least, if you were not born with margarine in your head: Nobody, do you hear, NO ONE has the right to insult the SOLDIER who has fallen on the battlefield moral !!! Whether it’s Russian, American, German, Japanese, or Chinese, you weren’t there, you didn’t shorten your life and you have no right to insult them because -DEAD YOU DO NOT LIKE THE DEAD, well, and if you don’t understand, it’s a moral freak to go to old diapers
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                      30 May 2017 18: 15
                      you mixed up the record ... take a walk,
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                        30 May 2017 18: 28
                        You don’t even need a diagnosis: I write out an epicrisis, a morally exiled creature ... Das Ende ...
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                        30 May 2017 18: 30
                        Of course, the glorious American Marines made a greater contribution to WW2, six were stuck on Iwo Jima, only two on the Reichstag ...
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                      30 May 2017 21: 36
                      I registered to myself. take a walk ... ... americanophile.
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          29 May 2017 12: 24
          Ordinary soldiers of the Wehrmacht, just like the SS, took civilians hostage throughout Europe and especially in the USSR and shot them unarmed if partisans or army saboteurs made an attack or sabotage somewhere. Therefore, in essence, the Wehrmacht is also a criminal organization, like the SS.
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    29 May 2017 19: 56
    Quote: mahoney
    So what's the difference ???


    Can't you figure it out yourself? Okay, I’ll explain. The city lying in the way of the troops is either surrendered or defended. But in the latter case, responsibility for the loss of civilian defense.

    But when cities are destroyed (moreover, they would send three hundred planes, bomb factories, control centers, ports) no one would stutter, even if half were bombed and past (that is, civilian objects - war happens).

    The Americans initially considered the Harris doctrine to be criminal, but the internal vile essence won.
    If they hung Japanese warriors, and at the end of the emperor - only applause.

    And so, the American army is the same criminals as the Japanese military.
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      30 May 2017 02: 16
      If so, Shirou Ishii, like all the surviving Japanese war criminals, would not later live and work in the USA happily again against the USSR and China among the same.
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    25 January 2018 13: 09
    Without justifying the Americans, I urge you not to lament the "innocently killed" civilians in Germany and Japan. The first shouted with enthusiasm: "Heil!", Sending their men behind estates and Slavic slaves in the USSR. And enthusiastically shouted: "Zig Heil!" when showing the chronicle where German planes turn Stalingrad into ruins of 23 on August 1942 of the year (and there were our peaceful citizens and at least 60000 people died!) you can also recall the siege of Leningrad, where at least 600000 people died, or maybe 1,5 million - also civilians! And the Japanese also screamed: “Banzai!” ... So it's just a retribution for the support of leaders who long for other people's land and blood ...
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      8 February 2018 11: 18
      Remembering the burnt city, we must not forget that it was a Nazi city! It seems so said the abbot Fraenkirche Dresden on the anniversary of the bombing.
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    8 February 2018 11: 15
    Honestly, this "civilian population" very actively supported those guys who were covered in blood and covered with ashes in Europe and Asia.