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Former friend of the Soviet elephant

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The armed forces of Bulgaria during the Cold War were quite large, although more archaic than in the GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia. At the beginning of the 90s, Sofia had 2145 tanks, 2204 BBM, 2116 artillery systems, 243 combat aircraft, 44 attack helicopters.


Since 2004, Bulgaria is a member of NATO. Its army, like all European, has undergone significant reductions, without any renewal. The equipment produced in the Soviet period in the USSR, Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria, is very outdated, purchases of Western weapons are rare, and it is not always new.

The ground forces structurally consist of three brigades - 2 (Stara Zagora) and 61 (Karlovo) mechanized, 68 (special forces) (Plovdiv) and three separate regiments: 4 (arsenal), 55 (Engineering) ), 110-th transport (Plovdiv).

Bulgaria is one of the NATO countries, along with the United States and Turkey armed with tactical missiles. This 18 PU TR "Point" and 36 UR to them. 8 PU Ore TR ", 44 PU OTP P-17, 34 PU LR TR" are in storage, but ammunition for them under pressure from Washington, fearing the proliferation of missile technology, destroyed.

In mechanized brigades there are 80 T-72М2 tanks. BRM presented 50 BRDM-2. There are 104 BMP-23, up to 10 BMP-30, 71 BMP-1, around 200 BTR-60, approximately 150 MTLB, 17 М1117 and 30 М113А1. In the ranks 48 SAU 2C1. Towed implements: up to 156 D-20, up to 32 M-30. Mortars: several hundred 82-mm, up to 356 self-propelled 2С12 and M-43 (on MTLB chassis). MLRS - 173 BM-21. ATGM - over 300 "Contests", 200 "Baby", 222 "Fagot", more than 500 "Sturm" and 50 "Metis". VET: 16 BS-3 and 200 MT-12.

Military air defense includes 10 batteries (40 PU) SAM Kvadrat, 9 batteries (27 PU) SAM Krug, 24 SAM Osa, 20 LAW Strela-10. There are more 100 MANPADS "Strela-2", "Strela-3", "Needle-1". Anti-aircraft artillery - 27 ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", to 300 ZU-23, 16 С-60.



In addition to the listed equipment, there is up to 117 T-72 tanks, as well as up to 170 old T-62, up to 1521 T-54 / 55 and up to 459 T-34-85, up to 250 light PT-76, up to 624 BTR-60, to MTLB 850 to 35 Czechoslovak RT-62, 700 to APC-50, 100 to APC-152, 150 to APC-40, 530 guns to M-30, 39 to A-19, 163 to ML-20. This equipment is not listed on the balance of the Armed Forces of the country and is used as a source of spare parts and for sale abroad. In addition, through Bulgaria regularly resell the same outdated Soviet equipment Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Serbia, BiH. It is Bulgaria that is the main source of weapons for all opposition groups in Syria, including the radical Islamists from the Dzhebhat an-Nusra and the IG banned in Russia.

The air force has 5 air bases: 3 in Graf-Ignatievo, in its composition all MiG-29 fighters; advanced base Bezmer, which is equipped with Su-25K attack aircraft; 16-th transport (Hostile); training (Dolna Metropolis) and 24 helicopter (Krumovo).

Shock aviation consists of 13 Su-25 attack aircraft (including 4 UB). Fighter aircraft totals 15 MiG-29 (including 3 UB). There is one An-30 optical reconnaissance aircraft.

Transport: 3 Italian C-27J, 1 An-2, 7 Swiss PC-12M, 1 American "Falcon-2000", 1 European A319. Training: 5 Czech L-39ZA, 5 Swiss PC-9M.

All combat helicopters Mi-24 (10 – 17 Mi-24D, 5 – 6 Mi-24В) are withdrawn from the air force. In the ranks remained transport and multipurpose: 5 Mi-17, 4 Mi-8, 6 Bell-206, 12 AS532AL. The 3 Helicopter A-109 and 1 AW-139 border guards.

Bulgaria has a fairly strong, albeit outdated ground defense. It includes 3 – 5 divisions of the C-75М3 ADMS (18 – 30 PU), 9 – 10 of the C-125 divisions (36 – 40 PU), 2 of the C-200 CTR division (12HPXHPXHPXHXXXXPX). 1PS (from 2 to 300 PU).

The Navy includes 5 battalions that have warships and boats that are deployed in two bases. The 1 Division of the patrol ships (Varna): 1 frigate Ave 1159, 2 corvette Ave 1241 — all Soviet-built. 4 Division of patrol ships (Atia): 3 Belgian frigate of the Villingen type, 1 Soviet missile boat of the Ave 1241. 3 Mine Division (Varna): 1 Belgian minesweeper of the type “Tarpitite”, 6 of the Soviet minesweepers, 1259.2 Ave. and 4, 257 Ave. 6 Mine Division (Atia): 3 Soviet minesweeper Ave 1265 and 4 Ave 1258. The 96 th battalion of support includes the 1 landing ship of Polish construction 773 Ave. Naval aviation has 3 French AS565 helicopters.

Formally, a significant amount of equipment available in the Armed Forces does not provide the country with defensive capability, since it has basically developed a resource, and in a large part has completely lost combat effectiveness. Own MIC produces only small weapon and ammunition, and almost exclusively for export: for the most part, as mentioned above, for terrorist Islamic groups in the Middle East.

At the same time, however, there are currently no real military threats to Bulgaria. In the future, Turkey may become one with the evolution of its policy towards acquiring the status of a regional superpower.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 May 2017 06: 39
    +10
    how much "tagged" NATO’s good has left, both the air defense system and the air defense system ... for this alone - shooting ... next to Brzezinski’s place.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 27 May 2017 07: 01
      +9
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      how much "tagged" goodness did NATO leave

      Soviet troops from Bulgaria were withdrawn in the 1947 year, unlike Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the GDR, which were withdrawn in the 1991 year. So the Soviet Union supplied all this "good" under the Warsaw Pact, often for free, sometimes in exchange for canned goods and cigarettes.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 May 2017 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Soviet troops from the territory of Bulgaria were withdrawn in 1947,

        What does it change? not tagged it left, or what? what did you correct in history with your "smart calculations"?
      2. Red dwarf
        Red dwarf 29 May 2017 19: 02
        +2
        By the way, the canned food was delicious, especially pork with bell pepper, a sweet deal.
      3. Conductor
        Conductor 29 May 2017 20: 21
        +1
        Canned food was very good. cigarettes are thinner.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 May 2017 10: 41
      +7
      Bulgaria has always been under someone. So her kind is written. With the collapse of the social camp, they are the only ones who asked to join the USSR. But who threw whom?
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 02: 42
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Bulgaria has always been under someone. So her kind is written. With the collapse of the social camp, they are the only ones who asked to join the USSR. But who threw whom?

        Maybe she asked, because she was only reluctant to pay reparations in the currency of neighboring Greece, did not think about it, or do you really believe in a “disinterested” love for the Russian Federation / USSR ....?
        1. nedgen
          nedgen 26 November 2017 22: 42
          0
          Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

          Maybe she asked, because she was only reluctant to pay reparations in the currency of neighboring Greece, did not think about it, or do you really believe in a “disinterested” love for the Russian Federation / USSR ....?


          Well Dr. Evil, you give. ALL reparations of Greece were paid before the mid-70s so the argument is, to put it mildly, incorrect.
      2. k0k0
        k0k0 29 May 2017 19: 18
        0
        Or maybe you have facts besides fantasy?
        1. DOCTOR ZLO
          DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 19: 58
          0
          Quote: k0k0
          Or maybe you have facts besides fantasy?

          We didn’t go on the tab, learn the materiel ...
          Bulgaria ($ 70 million)
          Bulgaria is required to pay $ 45 million of Greece, $ 25 million of Yugoslavia. All $ 70 million, as indicated in the peace treaty, the country had to pay within 8 years in the form of industrial products and products of extractive industries.
          More details: http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/54679
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 29 May 2017 23: 25
            +2
            Do you have evidence of the reluctance of Bulgaria? In addition, there was a peculiar deal of the Allied countries - Bulgaria is recognized as an aggressor country and recorded from those responsible for inciting WWII, but only territories acquired after entering the Triple Alliance are selected. So the Greeks did not receive territories rich in polymetallic ores.
            1. DOCTOR ZLO
              DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 00: 19
              0
              Quote: Mac Sim
              there was a kind of deal between the countries of the Allies - Bulgaria is recognized as an aggressor country and recorded from those responsible for inciting WWII, but only territories acquired after entering the Triple Alliance are selected.

              A link to this agreement / transaction?
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 30 May 2017 00: 30
                0
                Catch - http://doc20vek.ru/node/4031
                1. DOCTOR ZLO
                  DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 01: 33
                  0
                  Mac Sim Today, 00: 30 ↑
                  Catch - http://doc20vek.ru/node/4031

                  Peace agreement with Bulgaria - signed by 12 states: USSR, Great Britain, USA, Australia, BSSR, Greece, India, New Zealand, USSR, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and South Africa. Sets the borders of Bulgaria as of January 1 of 1941. The political provisions of the treaty are almost entirely consistent with the political sections of the treaty with Romania. The agreement sets reparations in favor of Greece in the amount of 45 million dollars and in favor of Yugoslavia - 25 million dollars

                  I found this from your link and it only confirms what I wrote in my comment yesterday в
                  19:58

                  About what you wrote in your comment yesterday in
                  23:25

                  In addition, there was a peculiar deal of the Allied countries - Bulgaria is recognized as an aggressor country and recorded from those responsible for inciting WWII, but only territories acquired after entering the Triple Alliance are selected. So the Greeks did not receive territories rich in polymetallic ores.

                  NOT A WORD...
                  But thanks anyway, informative information.
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 30 May 2017 06: 30
                    +1
                    "Establishes the borders of Bulgaria as of January 1, 1941."

                    Yes, you either do not read or do not understand. The USA and England insisted on the transfer of parts of southern Bulgaria to Greece, the USSR was against it. The result was a lot of Bulgarian boys, named by Vyacheslav in honor of Molotov for his participation in the negotiations.
                    Or do you think that this can be achieved without mutual concessions?
                    1. DOCTOR ZLO
                      DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 13: 28
                      0
                      Maksim

                      Or do you think that this can be achieved without mutual concessions?

                      Here in your link about this not a word.
                      Yes, you either do not read or do not understand.

                      I can read, but the text and meaning of your comment written by you on 29.05.2017 in 23: 25
                      ........ Bulgaria is recognized as an aggressor country and recorded from those responsible for inciting WWII, but only territories acquired after entering the Triple Union are selected. So the Greeks did not receive territories rich in polymetallic ores.

                      I did not find
                      Your link tex:
                      Peace agreement with Bulgaria - signed by 12 states: USSR, Great Britain, USA, Australia, BSSR, Greece, India, New Zealand, USSR, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and South Africa. Sets the borders of Bulgaria as of January 1 of 1941. The political provisions of the treaty are almost entirely consistent with the political sections of the treaty with Romania. The agreement sets reparations in favor of Greece in the amount of 45 million dollars and in favor of Yugoslavia - 25 million dollars
                      1. Maksim
                        Maksim 30 May 2017 16: 30
                        +2
                        Unfortunately, I do not have the protocols of the negotiations themselves. But if you do not suffer from literalism, you yourself will guess how you can explain the text of the contract itself. But you can certainly give your own explanation. It will be interesting to watch it.
    3. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 17: 33
      +2
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      how much "tagged" NATO’s good has left, both the air defense system and the air defense system ... for this alone - shooting ... next to Brzezinski’s place.

      BNR was the only ATS country in which the USSR Armed Forces were never deployed.
      In addition, judging by the nomenclature of B and BT, they are all of the era of Khrushchev and Brezhnev, and not Gorbachev (with some exceptions).
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 27 May 2017 19: 15
        0
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        BNR was the only ATS country in which the USSR Armed Forces were never deployed.

        damn ... but what does IT change? the country of the Warsaw Pact "comes out of it, why leave them secret equipment ???
        1. DOCTOR ZLO
          DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 19: 43
          +3
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
          BNR was the only ATS country in which the USSR Armed Forces were never deployed.

          damn ... but what does IT change? the country of the Warsaw Pact "comes out of it, why leave them secret equipment ???

          What equipment, the USSR left the BNR, what are you talking about? The USSR supplied B and BT and BNR is its own property, on what basis (and how) are you going to deprive the BNR of its property?
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 27 May 2017 23: 43
            +6
            Warsaw countries. The treaties were allies, so we "changed" our raw materials, energy, weapons, etc. for agricultural products, etc. .. They also owed to some.
            Now they are EU allies. But only in the EU there is not what they need (energy and raw materials). And the EU does not need tobacco, lightly salted cucumbers and tomatoes.
            Countries of Europe due to their politicians will soon sink heavily. Western Europeans see in them only markets. Grants after the 20th year will cease. That Poland, for example, receives more than 13 billion euros annually of such subsidies. If in the Warsaw Pact they were equal among equals, now ...
            Recently (during the election), the elected president of Bulgaria spoke about the normalization of relations with the Russian Federation, but seems to have deceived. Neither nuclear power plants nor gas flow will be received. I already wrote that the whole of V. Europe will begin to change shoes after the Eurodotations cease. There will be no one to help them. But gas, oil, etc. it’s cheaper to take from us because of the infrastructure that goes through Kiev. They will have to run into Ukraine and beat their foreheads in the Kremlin. Otherwise, deliveries from others will cause imitation of the energy sector and beyond that, everything else will become uncompetitive. But I think that the Kremlin will no longer look at them as fraternal, allied countries ... the whole of Europe has arrived. Especially Russophobes of Poland and the Baltic states. hi
            1. DOCTOR ZLO
              DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 00: 00
              +1
              Kasym

              No nuclear power plant

              Why do they need another nuclear power plant (in Kozloduy), all the same, the whole industry died ...
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 28 May 2017 00: 15
                +4
                Belene's nuclear power plant is unfinished. And also works on Kozloduy.
                Very soon, they will all realize. And about industry, and how to change tomatoes for those nishtyaki without which there is no way. In 19g. with gas transit through Ukraine, they will begin to realize this. Maximum 2023g. - brow will be beaten in the Kremlin and cry. hi
                1. Uncle Murzik
                  Uncle Murzik 29 May 2017 08: 10
                  +2
                  Kasim and in the West will print more candy wrappers, will continue to live on credit! wink in Greece, no one has died yet! belay
                2. pytar
                  pytar 29 May 2017 08: 45
                  +2
                  The construction of Belene NPPs started back in 1981. At a time when current consumption and export were increasing. During the long-term construction, a lot of things have changed. Ineffective market conditions heavy plants consuming a large amount of energy and working on importing severity have closed. The countries to which Bulgaria exported current built their facilities. Belene NPP has become unprofitable. Several times its construction was frozen, but the Russian energy lobby, through its government stooges, again launched the construction. By the end of 2014, there was a stalemate. Continue construction - unprofitable. Stop it - damages. They calculated everything and decided to stop further investing money in this "Egyptian pyramid". Belene NPP, if it were completed, would become the most expensive site ever built in Bulgaria. Kozloduy NPP is still operating normally. The energy program of governments over recent years, provides for the development and implementation of energy-saving technologies and the development of alternative energy sources / solar, wind, etc. /. In these areas there are large investments mainly from euro funds. As for the tomatoes ... They are grown without problems. Very tasty by the way. bully
                  1. DOCTOR ZLO
                    DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 09: 41
                    0
                    pytar

                    Kozloduy NPP is still operating normally.

                    I was always pleased with its location, especially in 1999
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 29 May 2017 09: 56
                      +3
                      DOCTOR ZLO... you have strange "joys" ... you probably live alone and bored ...
                  2. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 29 May 2017 13: 25
                    +9
                    I completely agree with Lenin V.I .: "Communism is Soviet Power plus the electrification of the whole country." Instead of Communism, put the State. Sovereignty, popular power, and here you have a ready-made formula. There is NOT much energy. Unless of course you expect to develop your economy, its capacity. If you think so and live "on tomatoes and cucumbers" then yes, you do not need a second nuclear power plant in FIG.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 29 May 2017 14: 26
                      +3
                      So let's start not from the end, but from the beginning! bully It is doubtless necessary to develop your economy! But in what direction? If we do not take into account such fundamental factors as geography, climate and natural resources, we get typical communist voluntarism in the economy! Reading the comments and publications on the Internet, it seems that their authors clearly did not look at the map and DO NOT know where Bulgaria is located. lol During socialism, huge industrial complexes of the heavy industry were set up like this! Ineffective smoking and dusting monsters polluting the environment. They consumed a huge amount of energy, at the same time and spoiled the environment! Moreover, it was not taken into account that Bulgaria is poor in harsh conditions. Surovina / ore / and fuel were imported taking from the sea and from a thousand kilometers! This additionally increased the cost of production! With new market relations, such an industry is not competitive. Even if you invest huge amounts of money in it. That is what they tried to do, for example, with the metallurgical plant Kremikovtsi, built with the help of the USSR, close to Sofia. All Sofia field is polluted! In Sofia, famous earlier with its clean air, there was nothing to breathe! And these factories were built in the country, which God created for tourism, agriculture, balneotherapy and other such activities! The land is fertile, the country is sunny! The climate is healthy! For example, due to thermal mineral vents, Bulgaria is at 1 place in Europe! Natural beauty at every step! Here the development of these sectors is natural and normal for Bulgaria. Bulgaria can always feed itself. And it will always be enough for export. In order to preserve nature and those priceless Gifts that nature gave the Bulgarians, it is necessary to develop and implement energy-saving technologies, the extraction of solar energy, etc. When the need for energy grows, then we will look for additional power. In the coming 10-20-30 years, humanity will probably take possession of other forms of energy. Cleaner, safer than current ones.
                      1. DOCTOR ZLO
                        DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 16: 32
                        +2
                        pytar Bulgaria can always feed itself.

                        Only an industrial power can feed itself, and not an agricultural one, and this is an axiom.
                    2. DOCTOR ZLO
                      DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 16: 31
                      +1
                      Okolotochny

                      and you think to live "on tomatoes and cucumbers" then yes, you do not need a second nuclear power plant in FIG.

                      They then do not need the first one.
            2. pytar
              pytar 29 May 2017 09: 28
              +4
              Kasym: "therefore, we" exchanged "our raw materials, energy, weapons, etc. for agricultural products, etc." - They changed it, but by the end of the 80, Gorbachev demanded that the socialist countries pay hard currency for energy carriers. And the socialist countries could earn dollars only from the West. And even then, the re-reintroduction of their trade to Western countries began. As a result, the credit debt of these countries to Western banks sharply increased. The USSR itself ruined the economic system of cooperation with the socialist countries, which he created.

              Kasym: "... And the EU does not need tobacco, lightly salted cucumbers and tomatoes ..." - Necessary, although not on such a scale as the USSR needed before. Under the conditions of capitalism, Bulgarian agriculture was reformatted to produce more products that require less expenses and produce better profits. These are grain crops. From called "white gold" and for its cultivation does not need manual labor as when growing vegetables. Everything sown is cleaned with modern technology. Moreover, vegetables are not a product, for the difference from grain. Fortunately, the Bulgarian land and climate are ideal for all types of agriculture.

              Kasym: "... Grants after the 20 year will end ..." - Stop of course. The EU gives them out as an aid to increase the competitiveness of the economies of East European countries. Which of them steal less and direct investments wisely, will win. And our Bulgarian politicians, they are the same former communists and their descendants, who socialism raised and "educated" in the ideals of theft and nihilism.

              Kasym: "The newly elected president of Bulgaria talked about normalizing relations with the Russian Federation, but seems to have deceived." - Not fooled. Normalization will be subject to the interests of both countries.

              Kasym: "But I think that the Kremlin will no longer look at them as fraternal, allied countries ..." - Correctly think so! There is nothing new in the capitalist world. The Russian Federation is already a capitalist country, and everything that does is emanates from the classical principles of capitalism. More profit and promotion of your interests with all possible means. The Bulgarians, in their majority, continue to regard the Russian Federation as a fraternal country. I am talking about ordinary people who are far from politics.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 May 2017 07: 02
    +9
    Frankly, I don’t even want to read about those who betrayed Russia and continue to plot today. Let them boil in a NATO boiler. And if Turkey really starts to press the tail of Bulgaria, then I will only be glad and advise Bulgarian politicians to climb Shipka and pray.
    1. sychiov
      sychiov 27 May 2017 10: 23
      +4
      Frankly, I don’t even want to read about those who betrayed Russia and continue to plot today. Let them boil in a NATO boiler. And if Turkey really starts to press the tail of Bulgaria, then I will only be glad and advise Bulgarian politicians to climb Shipka and pray.


      Present, two old, two peoples, Serbia and Bulgaria, and what's the difference?
      My personal opinion is that not one of our soldiers should ever die for this country.
      Alas, the story from the king of Bulgaria, Boris, to this day shows that they have nothing left from the Slovens, they are not brothers to us.
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 30 May 2017 00: 34
        +1
        Um, like the Russians were offended by similar verses from a Ukrainian girl, no?
    2. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 17: 41
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And if Turkey really starts to press the tail of Bulgaria, then I will only be glad and advise Bulgarian politicians to climb Shipka and pray.

      In Soviet times, the border of the BNR and Turkey was a line of fortified areas ....
      On the border with Turkey, a whole network of well-fortified firing points appeared in the form of motionless steel hulks bristling with Kruppov steel trunks towards the NATO block.

      http://www.haborka.ru/index.php?option=com_conten
      t & view = article & id = 251% 3Apanzer-blg & ca
      tid = 2% 3Ainterestvids & Itemid = 2
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 27 May 2017 07: 59
    +2
    Formally, a significant amount of equipment available in the Armed Forces does not provide the country with defense capability


    Bulgaria (like Romania) is a NATO member, at their airfields and in their ports on a regular basis (during rotation) there are NATO planes and ships conducting constant patrols. One hundred units arrived in Romania 2 weeks ago. armored vehicles and 500 amerosoldat.

    So Bulgaria hopes for NATO, and its armed forces, in which case, will be just cheap cannon fodder.

    But who will protect her from Turkey? Those who ALWAYS been on the Turkish side against Bulgaria? fool Further, according to Lavrov ....
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 17: 54
      0
      Olgovich

      But who will protect her from Turkey? Those who ALWAYS been on the Turkish side against Bulgaria?

      During the Cold War, yes. Against the BNR, the 1-I PA and the Aegean (4-I) PA, the last (headquarters in Izmir, the grouping of troops along the west coast of Turkey, 19-I brb; 11-I mechanized brigade; 57-I arbr. And regiment SN .), as well as 3-I PA are subject to liquidation
      The elimination of two field armies is supposed (3-th Field and 4-Aegean)

      https://topwar.ru/6247-armii-mira-suhoputnye-voys
      ka-turcii.html
      So that in the West of Turkey there will be only the 1-I PA, but I think it is more preparing for military operations with Greece, because The Bulgarian Armed Forces cannot pose any threat.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 May 2017 08: 07
    +4
    Brothers more to save from the Ottoman yoke - we will not am They themselves have decided everything, let NATO save them from their "member". Let the Russian language and the common history be forgotten.
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 27 May 2017 08: 11
    +6
    All Bulgarians even fooled their own conscience, posting weapons to Syrian militants.
    1. nedgen
      nedgen 26 November 2017 23: 21
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      All Bulgarians even fooled their own conscience, posting weapons to Syrian militants.

      Something I feel my conscience in place. And who told YOU that BULGARIANS YES EVERYTHING EVERYONE supplies weapons to militants in Syria? (if you have other information I ask for information in the studio) As far as I know, NOT ONE Bulgarian company DOES NOT DELIVER WEAPONS to the boviks in Syria. Yes A PART of weapons from fighters of truly Bulgarian production, BUT they also have weapons of Russian, Czech, Slovak, Polish, American, etc. production. Bulgarian weapons are supplied to Iraq, Iran and all who OFFICIALLY wish. As far as I know, Bulgarian weapons are sold to customers who categorically declare that they are extreme consumers or will sell these weapons to individuals (like in the US civilian weapons market). The fact that they do not do this does not mean that YOU HAVE the right to accuse ALL BULGAR of shamelessness. By the same logic, I have ALL reasons to accuse you personally and all RUSSIANs of betraying the entire former socialist camp and all other allies of the USSR / Russia throughout the world. Something like this. (Of course, I VERY dislike the fact that the Bulgarian weapons were in the hands of the terrorists, BUT PERSONALLY MY Fault IS ABSOLUTELY NO !!!!)
  6. apro
    apro 27 May 2017 08: 17
    +3
    Say what you like, but Bulgaria is not brothers. But enemies. Have always been and have remained. Such is the will of the gods.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 30 May 2017 00: 36
      +2
      May the name of God, Amen, be glorified!
  7. pastooh37
    pastooh37 27 May 2017 09: 34
    +4
    Bulgarians are former friends of the Russian People and
  8. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 27 May 2017 09: 35
    +5
    one fact is surprising: in Soviet times, all these "allies" were supplied with a huge amount of our weapons, Russian oil and gas poured on them, trains and equipment in trains ... and in the end?
    As a result, Russia owes billions of dollars to all "friends"!
    Moreover, if someone owes us - we all write off everything. And Russia's debts are almost sacred.
    Well, you can’t be like that ... to say the least, good-natured.
    Again, inside the country, the policies are completely different - they will not allow a simple citizen to write off a penny.
    1. stoqn477
      stoqn477 27 May 2017 10: 15
      +1
      In Soviet times, the USSR supplied all social and countries not only to us. The Soviet Union delivered everything in order not to raise a revolution against socialism.
      And we supplied you with uranium. And not only that.
      https://topwar.ru/79012-16-255-t-bolgarskiy-uran-
      dlya-sssr.html
      1. iouris
        iouris 27 May 2017 17: 16
        +6
        There was enough uranium in the USSR. Then the USSR, on the other hand, "let go." Now the USSR is gone. There is no socialism either. What's next? Next, Russia needs to supply everything, so that the Bulgarians do not raise a revolution against capitalism.
    2. alatanas
      alatanas 29 May 2017 10: 31
      +2
      Who destroyed the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact? Has anyone asked the Bulgarians and the rest? Gorbachev and then the drunk "Uncle Borya" showed: "Do what you want and pay off with us in hard currency. We are not interested in you!". In the 89th year, when T. Zhivkov was “left behind”, Sharapov (the USSR ambassador to Bulgaria) acted as governor-general and gave “especially valuable” instructions on how to properly carry out the restructuring. So the question of who betrayed whom and how is very controversial.
      For the most part, Bulgarians respect and love the Russian people, but some representatives of this people by their behavior create doubts as to whether they are worthy of this respect.
      In 1913, attacked from all sides: Serbs with the Greeks (had a secret agreement against Bulgaria), Romania, in the back, and Turkey. After the WWII, Bulgaria was in complete political isolation. The so-called “Little Entente” was created against it, etc., after the Second World War, when Stalin and Tito were friends, forced to make the “Balkan Federation” and help create the “Macedonian” nation. All this is not at will of the Bulgarians themselves. And now - the same thing.
      And you, in Russia, "sit knee-deep in water and suffer from thirst."
      Capitalism is the same for you and for us.
  9. Boris25
    Boris25 27 May 2017 10: 30
    +2
    Quote: stoqn477
    In Soviet times, the USSR supplied all social and countries not only to us. The Soviet Union delivered everything in order not to raise a revolution against socialism.
    And we supplied you with uranium. And not only that.
    https://topwar.ru/79012-16-255-t-bolgarskiy-uran-
    dlya-sssr.html

    It is possible to justify the betrayal of rulers (not of the people), but is it only necessary ????
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 27 May 2017 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: Boris 25
      Quote: stoqn477
      In Soviet times, the USSR supplied all social and countries not only to us. The Soviet Union delivered everything in order not to raise a revolution against socialism.
      And we supplied you with uranium. And not only that.
      https://topwar.ru/79012-16-255-t-bolgarskiy-uran-
      dlya-sssr.html

      It is possible to justify the betrayal of rulers (not of the people), but is it only necessary ????

      And tries need to make excuses? Once a month there is a conjunctive article about how the Bulgarians betrayed you. First, read about who declared war to whom, WHEN (see dates). And then we launch the barrel organ ... They fought with us all over the World ... If not ashamed. If there is a conscience, they admit that they were mistaken, it is not necessary to launch fails about that - they spoke Russian at home.
      1. pytar
        pytar 27 May 2017 19: 37
        +5
        The funniest thing about the case is that current Russian heirs of the Main Traitors / Gorbi and Yeltsin /, who betrayed and sold all their allies in the 90, among whom Bulgaria itself was faithful, now shout into wild fury all over the Internet: "... Bulgarians, traitors ..."!
        1. DOCTOR ZLO
          DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: pytar
          The funniest thing about the case is that current Russian heirs of the Main Traitors / Gorbi and Yeltsin /, who betrayed and sold all their allies in the 90, among whom Bulgaria itself was faithful, now shout into wild fury all over the Internet: "... Bulgarians, traitors ..."!

          "Funny" that the former BNR in NATO, and in all world wars (1 and 2) fought on the side of the enemies of the Russian Federation ....
          I will be amusingly watch now after all this how Bulgaria is assimilating among Muslim Turkey ...
          "God is not a little one, sees a lump on whom ...." ....
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 27 May 2017 23: 52
            +5
            Come on you make fun of simple Bulgarians. There is a difference between the people and the authorities. Especially by the corrupt authorities. They are traitors, not ordinary people. And at first they betrayed their own, and then already ... Moreover, now the developed EU wants to divide its Union. "Multi-speed" development. For the rich, their own path, for the rest their own - it is clear where this will lead. The impoverishment of some and the enrichment of others. And it’s unlikely that it will be possible to get down with the EU - they enslaved with loans. hi
            1. DOCTOR ZLO
              DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 00: 09
              +3
              Kasym Today, 23: 52 ↑
              Come on you make fun of simple Bulgarians. There is a difference between the people and the authorities. Especially by the corrupt authorities. They are traitors, not ordinary people.

              If in NATO, then the enemies are even closer to me than they are, I owe only to those who stood at Volokolamsk (defending my Moscow), fought under Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, the Caucasus, defending my RSFSR ...
              Although we sometimes swear among ourselves, but the peoples of the former USSR are tied with blood for the victory over Fascism .... and if, and for Bandera Ukraine, we will tear off the Bosko to everyone, because it is first Ukraine, and then Bandera .... (therefore when the "box" they say that Romania, Poland will take something from Ukraine, I smile to myself), their death will be quick ....
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 28 May 2017 00: 18
                +3
                Don’t worry, soon the Kremlin will be on its knees. My gray matter tells me so.
                One of my grandfathers from near Stalingrad crippled back. Another reached Vienna. hi
                1. Senior manager
                  Senior manager 29 May 2017 18: 09
                  0
                  Kasym. Due to the inertia of economic relations, they will not stand sideways in the Kremlin very soon.
                2. nedgen
                  nedgen 26 November 2017 23: 28
                  0
                  However, although both Bulgaria and I, both my grandfathers fought in WWII on the side of the USSR. The first participated in the defeat of German troops escaping from Greece as part of the 3rd Bulgarian army, and the second of them also reached Vienna as part of the 1st Bulgarian army which fought in the composition of the 3rd Ukrainian front.
        2. iouris
          iouris 28 May 2017 16: 13
          +2
          There are many fools everywhere (in percentage terms). Russia is more than Bulgaria, therefore, in absolute terms, there are more Russian fools.
          1. DOCTOR ZLO
            DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 19: 20
            +3
            Quote: iouris
            There are many fools everywhere (in percentage terms). Russia is more than Bulgaria, therefore, in absolute terms, there are more Russian fools.

            Judging by your logic, the concentration of all the fools in the PRC and India, and in the USA are twice as many as in the Russian Federation? And I thought that I was the kindest here on the forum ....
  10. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 27 May 2017 11: 28
    +4
    Quote: stoqn477
    all is

    - has a price. In addition, in the 80s, at different times, he was familiar with several guys Bulgarians. So each of them admired the Soviet country, the Russian people and ... vilified his Bulgaria. Moreover, one did not even like his native Bulgarian language. I told him that your mother spoke this language and therefore we must treat him with care. And all these Bulgarians lived in the USSR for many years.
    What kind of “revolution” in Bulgaria could we talk about?
    He also met with ordinary Germans, Hungarians, and no one even in the joint booze “celebrated holidays” did not stutter about some kind of “revolution”. Everything was fine. Of course there were problems. But who does not have them?
    So ordinary people were mostly satisfied with the situation. Sin to complain.
    And the revolution probably wanted some disadvantages, the children of the former "yes and real" Nazis. By the way, they were very indulgent in your countries. This was also told by your citizens. And I answered them that now is another time and Nazism-fascism can no longer be. Say, everyone knows what suffering this brings to the peoples.
    Here I was such a naive young man. And he believed in the friendship of the socialist peoples.
    And how many students from Bulgaria studied in the Union? At each institute, and there were hundreds of them, ordinary children from Bulgaria and other countries studied. Studied for free.
    And how many children from the USSR studied in Bulgaria? Zero.
    1. pytar
      pytar 28 May 2017 10: 53
      +4
      "And how many children from the USSR studied in Bulgaria? Zero." - For that, several thousand students from the Russian Federation and the countries of the former USSR are now studying at Bulgarian universities. Bulgarian students also study in the Russian Federation. And this is good! We need to exchange students, we need to visit on tourism or in other target areas, so that people know more about our countries! This is the best rebuff to the anti-Bulgarian and anti-Russian propaganda!
      1. iouris
        iouris 28 May 2017 16: 16
        +2
        We need a different policy and a different economy. Then there will be other propaganda.
    2. alatanas
      alatanas 29 May 2017 10: 42
      +1
      They also studied under socialism. And not only from the USSR. And the Hungarians and Germans (GDR) and Cubans, and from Angola, and Palestinians, and even from South Africa.
  11. Angor
    Angor 27 May 2017 11: 38
    +1
    I see that the "Maidan" is a disease, a virus, and there are many infected here, unfortunately.
  12. iouris
    iouris 27 May 2017 13: 27
    +3
    The elephant turned out to be a donkey.
    1. Angor
      Angor 28 May 2017 02: 34
      +3
      laughing An elephant cannot be a donkey. Oslov are those who sit here on someone’s money and fill everything and everything with their “diarrhea” I call this my activity “hybrid war”.
      "The most annoying thing is that the one who tells the truth loses in the information war. The one who speaks the truth is limited only to her. The liar can say anything."
  13. bandabas
    bandabas 27 May 2017 15: 08
    +1
    Hello to the little brothers. They are not the first and not the last. Neither they nor other Psheks, Slovaks, Serbs and Ridna Little Russians are attracted to the Slavs.
    1. kokocharnikov
      kokocharnikov 29 May 2017 16: 49
      +2
      Tambov wolf you already "brother" Found something to scoff ..... Sit in your captured Crimea with your sanctions, and come to your "friendly" Turkey, where they forgot for profit and for money what honor, morality and revenge are for Su-24, for a pilot shot in the air and not only, for the shooting of the Russian ambassador by your same friendly Turks. Sit and don’t come to us, money is not everything, and we will survive without you
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 00: 27
        0

        2
        kokocharnikov Yesterday, 16: 49 ↑
        Sit in your captured Crimea

        Stolen, this is when something was taken from the owner, and the Russian Federation took away from Ukraine what she had never owned, at least since 1783.
        You pray to your God that Turkey does not recognize in you its thing that previously belonged to it ...
        sit and don’t come to us, money is not everything, and we will survive without you

        you won’t survive without us, and when we want to come to you, we won’t ask you ...
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 30 May 2017 00: 49
          +2
          How do you want to quote Sergei Viktorovich ....
      2. nedgen
        nedgen 26 November 2017 23: 36
        0
        Sorry amok kokosharnikov do not repeat nonsense on alien media, Krim NIKOGA did not beat Ukrainian !!! Khrushchov was ordered to comrade to the commandment for a single misunderstanding; he presented 50 people to the territory not to Ukraine, but to the Ukrainian SSR after completely not reigning Ukrainian. And even until recently, the territory on Krim Zhivuheha was not more than 5-10% of the so-called. Ukrainians. More generally, the Ukrainian nation is also EXACTLY EXCLUSIVE to Kolkoto and MACEDONSK !!!
  14. tezey
    tezey 27 May 2017 16: 19
    +4
    We proceed from the realities. The army of Bulgaria is armed with scrap metal. Modernization of Soviet weapons systems is not expected. The value of this army for NATO is close to zero. The value of the country's economy for the EU is the same. So what have the little brothers achieved? Or they thought that we would take Dimitrov out of the mausoleum and happily live in Europe. Did not work out. Even bell pepper disappeared somewhere along with cigarettes and tomatoes. Well, they themselves wanted such achievements. Dare the little brothers on the sidelines of history, along with other Romanians and Ukrainians.
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    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 19: 49
      +1
      As they say, "to whom I must forgive everyone ...."
    2. pytar
      pytar 28 May 2017 11: 00
      +4
      Quote: bandabas
      Hello to the little brothers. They are not the first and not the last. Neither they nor other Psheks, Slovaks, Serbs and Ridna Little Russians are attracted to the Slavs.

      Your "judgment" would be true BUT ... It somehow sounds crazy that everyone around is one traitors and enemies, but only Russian righteous "Slavs" and these are so kind! This cannot be. Obviously, something is wrong in Russia ... And it would probably be much more useful for everyone if the Russians start looking more at themselves and at their schools than at strangers. bully Your red light should finally light up! Though hardly ... Your mentality is strange / the complete absence of self-criticism / disconnected your electricity ... lol
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 14: 15
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        Quote: bandabas
        Hello to the little brothers. They are not the first and not the last. Neither they nor other Psheks, Slovaks, Serbs and Ridna Little Russians are attracted to the Slavs.

        Your "judgment" would be true BUT ... It somehow sounds crazy that everyone around is one traitors and enemies, but only Russian righteous "Slavs" and these are so kind!

        Well, the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR was never the first to declare war on Bulgaria and did not attack it (except when Bulgaria did not enter into a hostile alliance against the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR).
        Under ATS and CMEA, 7 million people lived in BNR, now you have 5 million people (including 1,5 million gypsies), the Turks will wait a couple of decades until you and the gypsies become evenly divided.
        Can you name what they built (what are the objects of HX) on the territory of the USSR, the Bulgarians? What benefit did you have under CMEA without which he would not have lived?
        This cannot be.

        Well, bring the opposite facts, for example, in what the RI / USSR were evil towards your people, not being at war with you ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 28 May 2017 14: 52
          +3
          DOCTOR ZLO : Well, the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR was never the first to declare war on Bulgaria and did not attack it (except in those cases when Bulgaria was not part of a hostile alliance against the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR).
          The answer is: Well, Bulgaria NEVER declared war on the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR and did not attack it (EVEN in cases when the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR entered into a hostile alliance against Bulgaria, together with the worst enemies of the Bulgarian state, and concurrently they are enemies of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR itself ..

          DOCTOR ZLO: Under ATS and CMEA, 7 million people lived in BNR, now you have 5 million people (including 1,5 million gypsies), the Turks will wait a couple of decades until you and the gypsies become evenly divided.
          The answer is: It was precisely during the period of the internal affairs agencies and the CMEA that the violent collectivization of the Soviet model and the elimination of rural settlements in the 50-60 were initiated by this demographic collapse. For this reason, by the end of 60, statistics on the ethnic composition of the population became secret. Gulag, repression .. everything was like the USSR. I don’t know how in other countries, but in Bulgaria, growth has always been generated in villages, not cities. The generation of Bulgarians born immediately after these events was 2-2,5 times smaller than before. The overall increase was generated from a sharp increase in the birth rate among the Gypsy and Turkish minorities. Then the change began in the relations between ethnic groups, whose result is the current deplorable state. The blow to Bulgaria’s demography was so monstrous that the process deepens in view of the addition of more factors.

          DOCTOR ZLO: Can you name what they built (what are the objects of HX) on the territory of the USSR, the Bulgarians? What benefit did you have under CMEA without which he would not have lived?
          The answer is: I was not interested, but I know that through cooperation in CMEA and Bulgaria I participated in construction projects and projects in the territories of the Commonwealth countries. CMEA was created to unite the economic potential of all the participating countries. What and where will be built, was planned exactly there. The distribution of labor was called! All then amicably reiterated that the benefits are mutual! Argue with them ... But you must have access to the documents of this organization. And you hardly have such access. Ksati I don’t know why you have a complaint against Bulgaria, given that the CMEA fell apart as a result of the same treacherous policies of Gorbachev and Yeltsin ?!
          1. DOCTOR ZLO
            DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 15: 15
            +1
            pytar Today, 14: 52 ↑
            DOKTOR ZLO: Well, the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR was never the first to declare war on Bulgaria and did not attack it (except when Bulgaria did not enter into a hostile alliance against the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR).
            I answer: Well, Bulgaria NEVER declared a war against the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR and did not attack it (EVEN in cases when the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR entered into a hostile alliance against Bulgaria, together with the worst enemies of the Bulgarian state, and concurrently they are enemies of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR itself ..

            Are you repeating yourself? I already proved everything to you about this within the discussion thread yesterday, see our dialogue yesterday ...
            1. pytar
              pytar 28 May 2017 15: 21
              +2
              If you are repeating, but why do not I repeat! bully "Prove" you can’t do anything. Your truth is not ours. And you don’t have a monopoly on it! wink
          2. Chadan Khemchiksky
            Chadan Khemchiksky 28 May 2017 15: 20
            +1
            Pitar. Soon Bulgaria
            will be part of
            friendly to her Turkey.
            And heal even better
            than now.
            There in Turkey remember
            about the Bulgarian paradise.
            1. pytar
              pytar 28 May 2017 20: 45
              +2
              Will not go in. Bet? yes I do not theoretically exclude as a variant of the departure of 2 (from 28) the southeastern regions to Turkey, for example, with a “referendum”, but I wonder how something makes you happy ?! And why are you so “worried” if it really is not your problem? laughing
              1. DOCTOR ZLO
                DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 00: 33
                0
                Quote: pytar
                I do not theoretically exclude the option of leaving 2 (from 28) in the southeastern regions of Turkey, for example, with a “referendum”

                Something will leave Turkey, something Greece .....
                but wonder how something makes you happy ?! And why are you so “worried” if it really is not your problem?

                We will not be happy from this, but we will not be upset either, because both Greece and Turkey are also part of NATO, but the Russian Federation will gain more from them and will appreciate their new territorial acquisitions, at least you will have something to compare with whom it is better to live ...
        2. kokocharnikov
          kokocharnikov 29 May 2017 16: 42
          +2
          Not DOCTOR ZLO but DOCTOR MENGELE is such a name for such chauvinists and supporters of the Unsuccessful Artist, who has concluded an agreement with the Devil for 13 years - 1932-1945. from Russophilia’s disease directly in the opposite. And how did Picasso once answer your Aryan brothers once, I repeat his words, who did it? You did it! While you are walking along their stupas, sooner or later you will find yourself in their place where this Unsuccessful Artist, and his country, too, everyone knows which finish line they came to ... We do not wish anything bad for your Bulgarian-Phobic National Socialist Russia. And we only wish that which you desire for us, the same has returned to you, nothing more.
          1. DOCTOR ZLO
            DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 17: 15
            0

            0
            kokocharnikov Today, 16: 42 ↑
            Not DOCTOR ZLO but DOCTOR MENGELE is such a name for such chauvinists and supporters of the Unsuccessful Artist, who has concluded an agreement with the Devil for 13 years-1932-1945.

            What is my chauvinism? The fact that I want prosperity for my country and not at the expense of other peoples, but without their participation ...., because previously they were seen in betrayal ....
            A very interesting story, I honestly did not know about it, but it has nothing to do with the topic of the article under discussion ....
            We do not wish anything bad to your Bulgarianophobic National Socialist Russia.

            There is reason to think so? Or did you just decide to insult Russia, including in violation of the Site Rules? But you know better there from NATO .....
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 30 May 2017 07: 34
              +2
              "Is there any reason to think so? Or did you just decide to insult Russia, including in violation of the Site Rules? However, you know better from NATO ....."
              And such a person writes reproaching in his posts. You either remove the cross or put on your pants.
          2. nedgen
            nedgen 26 November 2017 23: 51
            +1
            Yes, finally shut up kokosharnikov - Amer litter. Not a shame for the rest of the Bulgarians. For example, I am Russophile and if you are not what you are doing on this forum? Or do you work out money from a company? What has the good west done for us Bulgarians? Maybe the Berlin congress which cut Bulgaria three times is good for us? Or the Treaty of Versailles cut Bulgaria by 30% is also good? Or the participation of special services of the West in bringing to power in our country national traitors in Bulgaria who ruined everything they could reach the benefit too? Or are you for installing the monument to Suleiman Pasha on Shipka? Russia / RI may have betrayed us at least 3-4 times, but thanks to her, you are Bulgarian and not Turkish. And not thanks to the west !!
  16. Shender
    Shender 27 May 2017 17: 41
    0
    as our pig says in such cases
    - Pofih ... let's jump ...
  17. Maksim
    Maksim 27 May 2017 21: 09
    +3
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Quote: pytar
    The funniest thing about the case is that current Russian heirs of the Main Traitors / Gorbi and Yeltsin /, who betrayed and sold all their allies in the 90, among whom Bulgaria itself was faithful, now shout into wild fury all over the Internet: "... Bulgarians, traitors ..."!

    "Funny" that the former BNR in NATO, and in all world wars (1 and 2) fought on the side of the enemies of the Russian Federation ....
    I will be amusingly watch now after all this how Bulgaria is assimilating among Muslim Turkey ...
    "God is not a little one, sees a lump on whom ...." ....

    Proof in the studio !!!!

    In World War I RI declared war on Bulgaria and not vice versa. Black Sea Fleet fired at Varna, and not Bulgarian - Sevastopol. Zayokonchovsky rushed south to Dobrudja, not Kolev in Bessarabia.
    And as for VM - you are generally unsuccessful. Tell me exactly where the Bulgarian soldiers fought with the USSR? Or who to whom and when declared war?

    We are waiting for proof, or go to learn the materiel.
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 21: 38
      +1
      You will not refute that:
      and in all world wars (1 and 2) fought on the side of the enemies of the Russian Federation ....

      it doesn’t matter in what form, whether you sent troops to the Eastern Front or in the form of other assistance, will you?
      The manifesto of the Bulgarian king Ferdinand I, declaring war on Serbia
      On 6 of September 1915 in the capital of Bulgaria Sofia, a convention was signed between Germany and Bulgaria. Bulgaria was represented by Foreign Minister Vasil Radoslavov, and Germany by Georg Michaelis.

      http://globuss24.ru/doc/bolgaria-v-pervoi-mirovoi
      -voine
      I admit that Bulgaria was not eager to enter the war (1 World War) on the side of Germany, but what happened, it happened, she did it solely within the framework of her national interests ....
      You will never give me evidence that in the 1 World War Bulgaria could not remain neutral or take the side of the Entente ....
      In the spring of 1941, Bulgaria signed the Berlin Pact, which was also called “Berlin-Rome-Tokyo”. Officially, Bulgaria entered the fighting in mid-December of the 1941 year, when, according to Nazi requirements, it declared war on the Anti-Hitler coalition. Boris III allowed the Germans to use all the country's economic resources - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/193054/bolgariya-vo-vtoroy-m
      irovoy-voyne-i-posle-nee-uchastie-bolgarii-vo-vto
      roy-mirovoy-voyne

      I believe that the above is enough to consider the Bulgarians as Russian enemies in WWII and WWII.
      In World War I RI declared war on Bulgaria and not vice versa.

      After the accession of Bulgaria to Germany ...
      Otherwise, provide evidence that RI declared war on Bulgaria before the declaration of the last war of Serbia ...
      The Black Sea Fleet fired at Varna, and not the Bulgarian - Sevastopol. Zayokonchovsky rushed south to Dobrudja, not Kolev in Bessarabia.

      In your opinion, after the declaration of war on Serbia, the Republic of Ingushetia was supposed to supply grain and gold to Bulgaria through friendship and cooperation?
      We are waiting for proof, or go to learn the materiel.

      Until you refute to me that Bulgaria was the first to oppose RI, on the side of its enemies, you are an ignoramus, everything else is tinsel ....
      Bulgaria could not oppose the RI / USSR, but it did not, you will never prove the opposite ....
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 27 May 2017 22: 42
        +3
        My dear man, go to Wiki there is everything. No need to juggle. Of course the story will endure, HOWEVER

        The Republic of Ingushetia declared war on Bulgaria on October 19, 1915. 4 days earlier, without a declaration of war, it fired at Varna. Bulgaria still did not declare war on RI.

        Or maybe in 1913 RI should fulfill its obligations to Bulgaria and prevent Romania from entering the war?

        As for WWII, can you tell me where, when and with what Bulgaria fought against the USSR. For my part, I will tell you where, when and how she fought on the side of the USSR.
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          1. Maksim
            Maksim 27 May 2017 23: 04
            +4
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            For stupid I say twice and so I repeat


            Actually, you can sign a lot of things. But declaring war and shooting is another song. Spain and Germany also had an agreement. Or did Spain fight too? And yes, Bulgaria officially entered the war in December 1941. Greece tried to declare war in April 1940, but it turned out that it had surrendered for 3 days already.

            As for what will happen if - do not worry. Learn calmly lessons. Bulgaria as it did not fight with you and will not fight.
            1. DOCTOR ZLO
              DOCTOR ZLO 27 May 2017 23: 21
              +2
              Maksim

              Or did Spain fight too?

              You do not know the history of the Second World War, preferring to confine yourself to textbooks about WWII ....
              In Russia, the Blue Division lost 12726 people, including 3934 killed, 8466 wounded and 326 missing. 4-I squadron fought near Kharkov, on the Kursk Bulge and near Smolensk. Until the end of 1942, the Blue Squadron flew on Bf 109 fighters, and later on Fw 190 fighters. The Spaniards claimed 156 air victories, of which seven were signed by Major Salas, and ten by Major Cuadra. 22 Spanish pilots died or went missing in battles.
              Source: http://war20.ru/article/38/ispanskie-dobrovolci-v
              ermahta © Portal "Wars of the 20th century"

              As for what will happen if - do not worry. Bulgaria as it did not fight with you and will not fight.

              Well, if that is so, the former BNR, it won’t save, the US NE and US missile defense facilities will be an excellent target for the Caliber KR with nuclear warheads, ships and KEPF diesel-electric submarines ...
              I have nothing to talk to you about, I am not a nationalist, but with representatives of the nation of the traitors of my country I have nothing to talk about ....
          2. pytar
            pytar 28 May 2017 15: 59
            +2
            DOKTOR ZLO, "Bulgarians are Slavs who betrayed Russians" The frenzy is not restrained! fool In your opinion, the majority of the Slavs are betrayed Russians! lol When someone writes SUCH, I have a very serial suspicion that this person is not Russian and not a Slav ... or some sort of mania of betrayal, the ego pursues! stop
          3. alatanas
            alatanas 29 May 2017 11: 15
            +2
            Why are you Bulgarians are the biggest enemies. Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Croats, Slovaks, Germans are all also in NATO, and in the WWII in the USSR they walked with weapons in their hands, but in your opinion the Bulgarians and only the Bulgarians. The army is now Bulgarian - one sham. The figures in the article are overvalued, most of them were cut into scrap metal, some tanks and guns in the 90s were presented to the Macedonians fraternally, and they then sold them to someone. You yourself in Ukraine left four times more than all sorts of things, and now, you see, Bulgaria is the main supplier of weapons to IDIL. The Bulgarian military-industrial complex was defeated in the late 90s. If you are hoping for a Bulgarian military-industrial complex - IDIL, a kayuk would have come a long time ago.
            1. DOCTOR ZLO
              DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 16: 34
              0
              alatanas Today, 11: 15 ↑ New
              Why are you Bulgarians are the biggest enemies. Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Croats, Slovaks, Germans - all are also in NATO, and in the WWII in the USSR they walked with weapons in their hands, but in your opinion the Bulgarians and only the Bulgarians.

              I never talked about this, they are the same as you ...
  18. Maksim
    Maksim 27 May 2017 23: 07
    +4
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Bulgarians are Slavs who betrayed Russians "


    Once again I state your ignorance - the Bulgarians are not Slavs. And as for who sold whom and handed over, you can talk a lot. This has nothing to do with our conversation.
    1. cost
      cost 28 May 2017 02: 54
      +2
      Yes, Mac-Sim is right. The closest relatives of modern Bulgarians living on the territory of the Russian Federation are Tatars, Chuvashs, Balkars and even Karachais
  19. Maksim
    Maksim 27 May 2017 23: 49
    +2
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    US NE and US missile defense facilities will be an excellent target for the Caliber missile defense with nuclear warheads


    In addition to history, it turns out you do not know geography. So far, the US missile defense objects that I know are located north of the Danube.

    As for the Blue Division, it was not part of the Spanish Armed Forces. Such formations were also from Russians, Ukrainians, French, Golans, Norwegians. I hope you will not argue that the Soviet Union, Holland and further on the list fought a tear .... USSR?
    By the way, how many Bulgarian divisions do you know who fought against the Red Army?
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 14: 23
      +1
      Mac Sim Yesterday, 23: 49
      Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
      US NE and US missile defense facilities will be an excellent target for the Caliber missile defense with nuclear warheads
      In addition to history, it turns out you do not know geography. So far, the US missile defense objects that I know are located north of the Danube.

      You never brought the facts that RI / USSR were the first to attack Bulgaria or declare war on it.
      Earlier, the US had already allocated 7 million euros to expand a joint military base in Novo Selo, near Sliven.
      There will be built military depots, a helipad and other military installations.
      And the new US ambassador to Bulgaria, Eric Rubin, has already announced that a NATO naval base could be built in the Burgas region in the coming years.

      http://bourgas.ru/nato-zakreplyaetsya-v-bolgarii/
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 30 May 2017 06: 44
        +1
        "You never brought the facts that the RI / USSR was the first to attack Bulgaria or declare war on it."

        If I gave you the date of the declaration of war by the Republic of Ingushetia, but Bulgaria did not declare it, the fact is obvious. So it was exactly in WWII - the USSR declared war on September 7, 1944. Still have questions?

        I still have not read your answer WHERE, WHEN and BY WHAT FORCES Bulgaria fought with the USSR. Or answer lipo admit that you are not familiar with the topic of conversation.
  20. pytar
    pytar 28 May 2017 10: 39
    +4
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Quote: pytar
    The funniest thing about the case is that current Russian heirs of the Main Traitors / Gorbi and Yeltsin /, who betrayed and sold all their allies in the 90, among whom Bulgaria itself was faithful, now shout into wild fury all over the Internet: "... Bulgarians, traitors ..."!

    "Funny" that the former BNR in NATO, and in all world wars (1 and 2) fought on the side of the enemies of the Russian Federation ....
    I will be amusingly watch now after all this how Bulgaria is assimilating among Muslim Turkey ...
    "God is not a little one, sees a lump on whom ...." ....

    You are traitors! And traitors do not have the right to blame someone else! Who, where, how, by whom will be assimilated, we will still see ... It is heard more and more often in Russia "Allah-Akbar"! And the Turks ask about "Natasha"! Hear sooo interesting stuff! It is only in one thousand 60 Istanbul. Russian women married to the Turks! Something is losing your "Slavic" very quickly ... And you suddenly forgot about a Russian plane shot down by the Turks! They started hugging him a lot from your sworn friend Erdogan ...! Here you are going to sell C-400 to the Turks. Likely that the Turks more successfully shot down your aircraft! It turns out that money is more important for the Russian Federation than honor! ;)))))))
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: pytar

      You are a traitor! And traitors do not have the right to blame someone else!

      What Russian and Soviet people "betrayed" you, it is interesting to listen ....
      It in Russia is increasingly heard "Allah-Akbar"!

      I have never heard ....
      I don’t care about the fate of Bulgaria, the Bulgarian people themselves decide with whom to sleep, I’m only talking about logic, if Bulgaria (once again) in the camp of the enemies of the Russian Federation, respectively, will get to the snout along with the rest .... and yes you "sovereign" state and, as before, did not give a damn about the history of your country and the oath of allegiance to the Russians, you have the right to choose partners among those who hate and want to destroy my country ....
      It is simply surprising that two times the Russians liberated the Bulgarians, and for some reason we are the bad ones, and not the invaders of your country, a paradox ....
      On Tuesday, Bulgaria celebrated the 137 anniversary of the Liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke. On March 3 (February old style 19), the San Stefan Treaty between Russia and the Ottoman Empire was signed on 1878 of the year, as a result of which Bulgaria gained independence. This day is a national holiday in Bulgaria, the event is widely celebrated throughout the country. The representative of Russia was not invited to the celebrations, which provoked a large-scale discussion in Bulgarian society.

      https://rb.ru/article/rossiyu-ne-priglasili-na-pr
      azdnovanie-osvobojdeniya-bolgarii-ot-osmanskogo-i
      ga-reaktsiya-bolgar / 7449597.html
      1. pytar
        pytar 28 May 2017 15: 46
        +4
        DOKTOR ZLO - In what is now laid out, lies the whole flaw of your one-sided thinking! Perfect demo! I congratulate you! good
        "... What are you" betrayed "by Russian and Soviet people, it is interesting to listen ...." - Not Russian and Soviet people betrayed us and you. Traitors always stand on top of power! Not nations are traitors, but traitors are betraying nations! I just got into tone with all those typical comments that are sizzling in Runet "Bulgarians, traitors, Bulgarians such things ..."!
        "I have never heard ...." - The problem is probably in the hearing. Okay. I hope that this will never happen in Russia.
        "... the Bulgarian people themselves decide with whom to sleep .." - Your attempt to hurt the Bulgarian people looks ridiculous. In fact, among all mixed marriages in Bulgaria 90% consist of Bulgarian and Russian. So ... we sleep with the Russians. And not only sleep ... They are wonderful women and good spouses!
        "you are a" sovereign "state and, as before, did not give a damn about the history of your country and the oath of allegiance to the Russians" - The problem is that the Russian rulers spat on the bones of their soldiers who died for the freedom of Bulgaria. We know our history well! And she is not the one you are being blown out of the media. I understand why in Russia they so diligently distort the facts. After all, there is much that there that should be embarrassing for the Russians ...
        "It’s just surprising, twice the Russians freed the Bulgarians, and for some reason we are the bad ones, and not the invaders of your country, a paradox ...." - At first glance, it is a paradox! This feeling is created due to the fact that you yourself do not know what is at stake. That is the whole problem. And I don’t have the feeling that Russians are bad! Well ... processed with propaganda ... yes! But Russians are good people! Like us! Our brothers!
        An example of the above is the material that you are quoting. "On Tuesday Bulgaria celebrated the 137 anniversary ... The representative of Russia was not invited to the celebrations ..." The publication is from 2015 and has nothing to do with the truth. Since the fake, which in 2016 was replicated with rapture from the Russian media, is about "Erdogan’s invitation to Shipki of the celebration of the Liberation of Bulgaria from the Turkish yoke." I personally participated in events in 2015 and 2016 this year too. Vesde was attended by official Russian officials. I personally greeted from the Consul of the Russian Federation, which I was in our region on Holiday. Somewhere on the CD I have pictures from him. It is true that they did not invite Putin! But as explained by the Bulgarian Ministry of Internal Affairs, the heads of state are invited, according to the diplomatic protocol, only to round anniversaries! Here in 2018 there will be 140 years from Liberation! The Interior Ministry said that Putin will be invited and preparations for the event have already begun.
  21. pytar
    pytar 28 May 2017 11: 10
    +7
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    how much "tagged" goodness did NATO leave

    Soviet troops from Bulgaria were withdrawn in the 1947 year, unlike Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the GDR, which were withdrawn in the 1991 year. So the Soviet Union supplied all this "good" under the Warsaw Pact, often for free, sometimes in exchange for canned goods and cigarettes.

    And at the same time, the USSR removed the military threat from NATO far from its western borders at the borders of the borders of the ATS countries, thus strengthening our common military potential! There were no Soviet troops in Bulgaria. This is due to the fact that the Bulgarian National Army, for the difference from some other army of the allies, did not suffer from the lack of motivation to fight against our common enemies! For half a century Bulgaria was itself a faithful ally of the Soviet Union! The ally you betrayed! And now you reproach that they say "the Bulgarians betrayed you!" In fact, what you yourself have sown, you reap! From the betrayal of Gorbi and Yeltsin, everyone suffered, including Bulgaria! You should be ashamed ... already! The mental is stopping you! You are “always right”, you are “always right”! Your inadequacy of the eye pricks.
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  22. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 28 May 2017 12: 14
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    And this is good

    But who will argue .. I will not! I, too, for all the good.

    Just do not need military bases to push us in silence ... maybe an unexpected thing will happen.
  23. Maksim
    Maksim 28 May 2017 12: 26
    +3
    Quote: kunstkammer
    Just do not need military bases to push us in silence ... maybe an unexpected person will happen.


    And here you need to ask your partners. We are not moving our bases anywhere. And do not scare us - we are scared.
    Better ask yourself - is it really white and fluffy? It is said that the Russian ambassador to Sofia at 2004 convinced some Bulgarian politicians that joining NATO was not an unfriendly move. And they asked him for help to consolidate the non-aligned status of Bulgaria.
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 14: 45
      +1
      Quote: Mac Sim
      And here you need to ask your partners. We are not moving our bases anywhere. And do not scare us - we are scared.

      You want to say that you were afraid of aggression from the Russian Federation, therefore, you agreed to place the United States WB in your territory. There are NATO countries that, when entering, made a reservation banning the deployment of the NATO WB on its territory ....
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 28 May 2017 16: 36
        +1
        Three times HA. Do you really believe that they were asked al al-Nizya. So in Bulgaria no one asked us.
        So ask yourself - why the referendum on joining NATO was not organized if everyone here is sleeping and afraid of the Russian Federation.
  24. Maksim
    Maksim 28 May 2017 12: 46
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    the country of the Warsaw Pact "comes out of it, why leave them secret equipment ???


    Zinovy ​​Rozhestvensky’s laurels apparently haunt you. :)
    All the "secret" trochna at one time was exchanged for unclassified. So 3 MiG-25s were exchanged for 5 MiG-23s and all things. So don’t worry.
  25. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 28 May 2017 13: 52
    +3
    Quote: pytar
    From the betrayal of Gorbi and Yeltsin, everyone suffered, including Bulgaria! You should be ashamed ... already! The mental is stopping you! You are “always right”, you are “always right”! Your inadequacy of the eye pricks.

    I will not argue - betrayal .. betrayal is! And we are bitter and ashamed .. for such our figures, for these corrupt creatures. And we ourselves suffered ... much more than others - Bulgarians, Poles or Germans.
    But how everything was presented to us: we oppress all other peoples, do not let them develop ourselves, live better, command. But if you remove the "socialist friendship of peoples", then there will be a common happy capitalist future! By the way, they talked about the CIS like that too.
    And our “mentality” worked correctly for this provocation - we Russians are not oppressors, and since it turns out that our “friendship” is a yoke on the neck of nations ... then let's split up.
    I will allow myself some allegory:
    Bulgaria in time realized that the old German-fascist husband went bankrupt, neither money from him, nor protection ... And she went to a new, strong, wealthy handsome USSR.
    For a long time they lived together and happily! To such an extent that, from happiness, Bulgaria wanted to move to a new kin and become its 16th republic. It was so? It was!
    If there were between beloved omissions .. then the husband was always the first to reconcile, to give gifts. And after that, the wife earnestly assured that she was immensely happy and she needed no one except the USSR. And they would live in love and harmony ... until the husband — the USSR — grew old, lost money incomes. The husband was forced to spend all the money that was decreasing on his inner health, he did not make his conspiratorial gifts to his wife. Honestly, his personal problems began to pester the old man and came to the fore. He also grumbled in an old-fashioned way that he could not fulfill his conjugal duty as before - the forces were not the same. Moreover, the wife has already begun to declare in a voice that he ruined her youth and she always dreamed of leaving such a despot and tyrant.
    The old one not only lacked health, but also had no strength to curse and restrain his displeased wife ... and there was no desire to do this either.
    In general, they parted ... as always with reproaches and reproaches of each other.
    My wife thought, threw the thing to her nose and saw next to her a worthy gentleman - the EU ... well, what an unenviable groom - and the rich and victorious old husbands and, moreover, NATO has.
    ABOUT! This is NATO - the dream of all old girls ...
    How long it was short ... but they sniffed with the new groom quickly and began to wait for mutual happiness! But it was in no hurry to come. That is, "it was going," but somehow rather strange.
    And the new hubby turned out to be somehow inadequate - he forbade Bulgarian tomatoes to grow and sell .. They say he has heartburn from them and Dutch tomatoes are better. He forbade his wife Bulgarian cigarettes - it is harmful to health. He tirelessly takes care of his health .. and look at the Kozloduy NPP, which the former husband built, will take and ban. The wife will go to the porch ... that is, of course she will not die, but she no longer counts on gifts like her ex-husband.
    And with bitterness, she recalls the past and reproaches the already deceased USSR that he left her alone.
    But NATO troops are moving to their eastern borders at the request of a new hubby ... what the hell isn’t joking, maybe the old husband didn’t die .. and so ... he covered his eyes for a long time.
    Ah, how wonderful it was before, she thinks ... maybe NATO is right? And is he good-old-beautiful, just closed his eyes for a long time?
    These are the things today.
    And we are not "always right" and "always right." But that is not the point. It is embarrassing for everyone to admit to some lack of timely wisdom and insight.
    The fact is that we nevertheless admit mistakes and now 90 percent of the population bitterly regrets the tragedy with our country, first of all.
    And the "inadequacy", which pierces the eyes ... first of all, obscures the former "friends" of the Soviet Union, joyfully kicking and pouring mud on the fallen old lion in front of his young and still unintelligent son.
    But this son is growing rapidly and has a long memory. In addition, the father left his son a worthy legacy.
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 14: 52
      +1
      ++++ 100000
      But this son is growing rapidly and has a long memory. In addition, the father left his son a worthy legacy.

      The Russian Federation is not vindictive, it just has a good memory. Anyone who now stands under the banner of the Russian Federation has every chance not only to survive, but also to regain its former glory (Ottoman, Persian, Chinese civilizations, which appeared long before the appearance of the countries calling themselves the "golden billion") ....
      1. pytar
        pytar 28 May 2017 23: 39
        +2
        DOCTOR ZLO: ".... Whoever now stands under the banner of the Russian Federation has every chance not only to survive, but also to regain its former glory (Ottoman, Persian, Chinese civilizations ..." - Those whom are listed will not stand under the banners of the Russian Federation. These have their own banners and their own goals ... A situational coincidence is in the interests, it is always short-lived. And in the future, when the US begins to weaken, here are the Ottomans themselves, the Persians and Chinese will turn into a real threat and a terrible headache for Russia. The era of confrontation between civilizations will come! Among the Ottomans, Persians and Chinese, civilizations are very different from Russian. So, those nations and states that are closer to the Russian civilization are likely to join Russia. Almost 100% sure that among them will be all Balkan Orthodox countries.
        1. DOCTOR ZLO
          DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 00: 11
          0
          pytar Those who are listed will not stand under the banners of the Russian Federation. These have their own banners and their own goals ... A situational coincidence is in the interests, it is always short-lived. And in the future, when the US begins to weaken, here are the Ottomans themselves, the Persians and Chinese will turn into a real threat and a terrible headache for Russia. The era of confrontation between civilizations will come! Among the Ottomans, Persians and Chinese, civilizations are very different from Russian.

          I completely agree. The problem for the above countries is that they will never become empires, but will run after this dream, like sheep in the direction we need.
          So, those nations and states that are closer to the Russian civilization are likely to join Russia.

          I don’t know such people; all the Balkans, except Serbia, Macedonia and B and D, are already part of NATO, and I don’t see a reason for the collapse of NATO in the near and long term.
          Almost 100% sure that among them will be all Balkan Orthodox countries.

          I’m not sure that the countries you have indicated will be Orthodox at that time ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 29 May 2017 08: 50
            +2
            Both mine and yours are only speculations. Only Wang knew what would happen ... bully
    2. Angor
      Angor 28 May 2017 14: 54
      +1
      kunstkammer Excuse me, did you just tell your personal life or did you mean something else?
      1. kunstkammer
        kunstkammer 28 May 2017 21: 36
        0
        it's a collective way of life ... for example, I have a familiar Bulgarian, a nice woman - she lives in Germany, married a German and ... hates him fiercely!
        Such metamorphoses in people happen.
        1. Angor
          Angor 28 May 2017 22: 48
          +2
          Yeah sho kunstkammer The Bulgarian hates her German and loves you, already I can’t, and to share everything with you. Have you completely lost the coast or something?
          Better tell me how you have it in Ukraine.
    3. pytar
      pytar 28 May 2017 18: 29
      +6
      kunstkammer .... no offense to you, but ... somehow you write from some kind of parallel universe! fool Get away from the child empty allegories with the bride and groom! Neither the bridegroom of Russia, nor the bride of Bulgaria. These are different states, which, although incomparable in size and capabilities, but with their own interests! It happens that these interests coincide, but sometimes they don’t! Historically, interests are changing and will change. It’s stupid to blame someone else that he has other goals than yours .... After all, your goals may not be acceptable to him! In our case, how huge plus there is one fact, invariable in time. This is a friendly relationship between people - Russians and Bulgarians. This is a stable foundation, on the basis of which it is necessary to re-protect relations. This will be to the benefit of our peoples. Because in fact, the Bulgarians and Russians are very close peoples in all respects. True, there are individual people / very active ksati /, even here on the forum, who are trying to provoke hatred between us! But I think that with this situation is understandable.
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 19: 33
        0
        pytar These are different states, which, although incomparable in size and capabilities, but with their own interests! It happens that these interests coincide, but sometimes they don’t! Historically, interests are changing and will change. To blame someone else that he has other goals than yours, it's sorry stupid ....

        After WWII and WWII, Bulgaria’s current participation in NATO confirms for the third time in a row that the interests of the enemies of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / RF coincide with the interests of Bulgaria itself .....
        1. pytar
          pytar 28 May 2017 20: 33
          +3
          DOCTOR ZLO - you have bad math ... bully Your hardening Not confirmed. Over the past century, Bulgaria and the USSR in time were allies in 5,6 times more time than in opposing unions. If we add time to Bulgaria’s NATO entry to the present, then all the same, Bulgaria and the RI / USSR were allies 2,5 times longer. This is without miscalculating the time when Bulgaria was in alliance with the neurons of the RI / USSR (Ribentrop-Mollotov Pact and the Partnership Program for Peace of the Russian Federation-NATO). With the inclusion of these periods, as the time at which Bulgaria and the USSR were in partner unions, the account grows from 0,5. And something too often the USSR / RI changed its allies / enemies ... They are either enemies, or beautiful friends ... We do not have time to follow you! laughing
        2. alatanas
          alatanas 29 May 2017 14: 03
          +2
          “One woman knows for herself, one thing also hits” and that’s it. It is as if Russia conducts its foreign policy out of altruism alone, and not in favor of its interests. Our interest in the example is to keep gas and oil prices low, and yours - on the contrary. The Americans are interested in everyone working for them, and they only print dollars. Your economy is now dollar-oriented, that is, you indirectly also work for the "American brother"
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            1. alatanas
              alatanas 29 May 2017 20: 22
              +2
              About the ban on South Stream, the Americans had a direct onslaught on the Bulgarian government and an indirect onslaught on the commission in Brussels. The southern European Commission forbade it, and closed its "eyes" on the north because of "equal rights." In the European Union, as in Orwell, everything is, in principle, equal, but some more.
            2. pytar
              pytar 29 May 2017 21: 44
              +3
              Do you have a "doctor", shares in Gazprom? laughing If so, don’t worry about South Stream. It was initially on the verge of profitability. But what is being prepared now will be much more profitable. Stay tuned for the next 2 years. I can’t say more. Miller asked not to disclose ... hi
              1. pytar
                pytar 31 May 2017 11: 07
                +3
                Fresh tip for Mr. DOKTOR ZLO on South Stream .... laughing

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  26. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 28 May 2017 14: 26
    +1
    Quote: Mac Sim
    It is said that the Russian ambassador in Sofia in 2004 convinced some Bulgarian politicians that joining NATO was not an unfriendly move. And they asked him for help to consolidate the non-aligned status of Bulgaria.

    They say We have a saying: they say that chickens are milked!
    It is time.
    Ah, the "Russian ambassador in Sofia"? Honestly, after Zurabov in Ukraine and some other “ambassadors,” I am not surprised at anything.
    The only joy is after such figures have already done in Russia ... they will not do a new dirty trick on the country.
    Although, they would not be fused by ambassadors to other countries, but made to hold accountable for the deed within the country.
    Zurabov and this one - the “Russian ambassador in Sofia” are the fosterlings of Yeltsin and Gorbachev. Worthy successors of the case of Andrei Kozyrev - the shame of the Russian state.
    These are two!
    And further. Do not worry - we are not threatening anyone. You are certainly not scared and it is felt. Believe me, I personally do not need Bulgaria. From the word - at all. But any foreign troops, especially NATO troops, will be in our sight. Not because you or we are bad, just since I'm a military man, I have to take care of my country. And suggest different scenarios for the development of the situation. As our western partners say - nothing personal, only business!
    1. pytar
      pytar 28 May 2017 15: 15
      +4
      kunstkammer: "And yet. Don’t worry - we are not threatening anyone. Of course you aren’t afraid and this is felt. Believe me, personally I don’t need Bulgaria. From the word - completely. But any other troops, especially NATO will be in our sight. Not because you or we are bad, just since I’m a military man, I have to take care of my country. And suppose different scenarios for the development of the situation. As our western partners say - nothing personal, only business! "

      Answer: And do not threaten ... This is a bad idea. wink We do not have NATO troops, with the exception of a somewhat dubious object from a military point of view. NATO itself is not very torn in Bulgaria. There was a recent statement by one American representative: "we in Bulgaria try not to climb too much. Because the Bulgarians are the Russophile people and we are afraid that we will not set them against ourselves." I personally believe that you personally do not need Bulgaria. From the word - at all. But you personally are not Russia, and not even a significant part of Russia ... laughing That is differently thought by more than 350 thousand Russians who have acquired real estate from us. The same tens of thousands of Russians are in mixed marriages with the Bulgarians. This is a good trend! Healthy, right! Peoples are wiser than their rulers! And our peoples are two parts from one whole.
      1. kokocharnikov
        kokocharnikov 29 May 2017 16: 55
        +2
        One correction .. After reading such vicious Bulgarian Garabagh Russian disregard articles and comments, it is likely that any Russophile in Bulgaria will switch to the opposite opinion in minutes, no one is a masochist to endure such mockery from his country and his people
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  28. pytar
    pytar 28 May 2017 15: 07
    +4
    Quote: Mac Sim
    Quote: kunstkammer
    Just do not need military bases to push us in silence ... maybe an unexpected person will happen.

    And here you need to ask your partners. We are not moving our bases anywhere. And do not scare us - we are scared.
    Better ask yourself - is it really white and fluffy? It is said that the Russian ambassador to Sofia at 2004 convinced some Bulgarian politicians that joining NATO was not an unfriendly move. And they asked him for help to consolidate the non-aligned status of Bulgaria.

    It was then used by the NATO-Russia Partnership for Peace program! Russia was friends with NATO members very hard! We were going to build together "Europe from the English Channel to Kamchatka"! laughing And dumbing at us they scream and scare from their rockets! fool
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 28 May 2017 15: 32
      +1
      pytar

      And yelling at us

      There is evidence that the Russian Foreign Ministry said something bad about Bulgaria after the collapse of the USSR, in terms of Bulgaria’s entry into NATO or the EU .....
      The entry of Bulgaria into any international community is the sovereign right of Bulgaria with all the benefits and problems for it. So for everyone. But you have absolutely inexpensive.
      and scare from their rockets!

      No one scares YOU and all the more so does not single out NATO from other countries, you bear exactly the same responsibility from joining NATO and deploying the NATO WB on your territory, like the others no more and no less ...
      Previously, the internal affairs bodies carried the same risks, so everything was fair. In the Government, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria there are no fools, everyone has calculated and made their choice .....
      I correctly put it, no offense?
  29. Maksim
    Maksim 28 May 2017 15: 33
    +2
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Well, the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR was never the first to declare war on Bulgaria and did not attack it (except when Bulgaria did not enter into a hostile alliance against the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR).


    Yes you are kidding! The entire chronology of world wars suggests otherwise. And do not again about signing contracts. The act of declaring war unanimously indicates who declares to whom. And all exceptions and how are the lyrics and not the facts.
  30. Maksim
    Maksim 28 May 2017 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: kunstkammer
    They say We have a saying: they say that chickens are milked!


    Elephants can fly with you, but with us, the position of YOUR ambassador reflecting the official position of Russia has been accepted by many in this way.
    I expressed myself very courteously, but the fact remains and was recorded many times in an interview with Bulgarian politicians and was not refuted by Russia. Your personnel problems, however, do not concern us.
    And about the fact that you personally do not need Bulgaria, of course it’s calming. It's good that she needs more than 20 thousand. your compatriots living with us for permanent residence.
    Your experiences have nothing to do with the facts of history. No need to go too far and fantasize at the expense of Bulgaria's participation in CF.

    And we will figure out how we will be part of Turkey. It’s not so bad looking at how you are breaking into Turkey.
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    1. alatanas
      alatanas 29 May 2017 15: 30
      +2
      Enough "burda" to carry. Throughout the Second World War, the kingdom of Bulgaria and the USSR were in diplomatic relations at the level of envoys until 07.09.1944/XNUMX/XNUMX, when the USSR declared war on Bulgaria. Not only you are a former military on this site. War is not only tactics, but also strategy. And the best thing is that before the war things do not reach!
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 16: 41
        0
        You have this strategy repeated, always when it is beneficial to you and the enemies of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / RF ....
        Well, live with your "strategy", remembering that the NATO bases in your territory (and together with the territory of Bulgaria) under the gun of the ICBM of the Russian Federation ...
  32. Maksim
    Maksim 28 May 2017 17: 01
    +2
    Quote: kunstkammer
    No, dear Portner, we will remember again and again your lasciviousness. Until you calm down about the Molotov-Ribentrop agreement.


    And who denies you the right to conclude any agreements reflecting your interest? In politics, there was always only calculation and no sentiment.


    As for the “fornication" - did we initiate the dissolution of the police department, did we curtail joint projects, did we change your governments? If not, calm down and don't be rude.

    Quote: kunstkammer
    And for me now, Bulgaria, as a member of NATO, is also an enemy


    Well, we will know and we won’t invite you specifically to drink at Brudershaft.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 29 May 2017 14: 30
      +1
      Mak-Sim did Bulgaria give RUSSIA out of its interests? belay you still write the entry into NATO is beneficial to Bulgaria! lol
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 29 May 2017 23: 45
        +2
        I did not understand when Bulgaria betrayed the Russian Federation / USSR - when it dissolved the ATS or when it sought support for its neutrality in the 90s, and Moscow was only interested in the possibility of transporting its gas through Bulgaria. Or maybe Bulgaria betrayed the Russian Federation when the latter put its hands in the overthrow of at least 2 governments since the beginning of the 90s. Can you give you more examples, Uncle Murzik?
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  34. belarusik
    belarusik 29 May 2017 09: 54
    +1
    "Rich" army what to say
  35. intuzazist
    intuzazist 29 May 2017 14: 26
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    As for the tomatoes ... They are grown without problems. Very tasty by the way.

    And you, my friend, are lying! So many tomatoes are no longer grown! And consequently quality also falls! Bulgarian tomatoes are not needed in the EU ......
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 29 May 2017 23: 52
      +2
      Are you a connoisseur of Bulgarian agriculture? What pytar actually wrote to you is that in Bulgaria, it is now traditional varieties of tomatoes and cucumbers that are in demand. Very tasty by the way. And the fact that the total number of tomatoes is lower is also true, of course.
  36. intuzazist
    intuzazist 29 May 2017 14: 54
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    For that, now several thousand students from the Russian Federation and countries of the former USSR study at Bulgarian universities

    For the countries of the former USSR I do not care! But for students from Russia can be more detailed! What universities do they study at?
    1. pytar
      pytar 29 May 2017 15: 32
      +3
      "Spit" this is not a good action .... negative Look for it yourself. For those who are interested, there is enough background information. good
  37. intuzazist
    intuzazist 29 May 2017 15: 07
    +1
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    I’m not a nice person to you, not a brother, but an enemy, because Bulgaria is a member of NATO, and in case of war I will do everything (unlike my grandmothers and grandfathers) so that your death is painful and long .... (because the Russian Federation I have one and others. Good or bad, I no one will give) ....

    I subscribe to each letter !!!! And do not divide the people and the rulers !!! It is the same......
    1. pytar
      pytar 29 May 2017 15: 38
      +2
      "And do not divide the people and the rulers !!!" - intuzazist according to your expressions, you are with DOCTOR ZLO are worthy heirs of the "people" of Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... laughing Although in general there is great doubt that this kind of malicious attacks come from representatives of the Russian people. Most likely no... winked It seems that someone is trying to discredit the Russians, speaking on their behalf! wink
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 16: 46
        0
        Quote: pytar
        "And do not divide the people and the rulers !!!" - intuzazist according to your expressions, you are with DOCTOR ZLO are worthy heirs of the "people" of Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... laughing Although in general there is great doubt that this kind of malicious attacks come from representatives of the Russian people. Most likely no... winked It seems that someone is trying to discredit the Russians, speaking on their behalf! wink

        Each nation is responsible for its rulers or you brought your rulers from Mars.
        They try to compromise when they lie, but I only state facts that you have not been refuted.
  38. uskrabut
    uskrabut 29 May 2017 15: 54
    +1
    Brothers are those war games! Had to interact with them. In short, we are very lucky that they are now in NATO, even though the NATO people now have a headache because of them. The only thing that is a pity is that they lost a very good bridgehead in southern Europe, and it would be more convenient to frighten the Turks from Bulgaria.
    1. k0k0
      k0k0 29 May 2017 19: 29
      +1
      And how did you “interact” with the Bulgarians? And why did the Bulgarians have 2500 Russian prisoners of war during the First World War? And why did the Russian "brothers" attack Bulgaria with the Romanians in 1916? Then the Cossacks got great in the face ...
    2. pytar
      pytar 29 May 2017 21: 57
      +3
      uskrabut: "... let the NATO now have a headache because of them."
      Are you sure that your head does not hurt? Honestly...? wink
      uskrabut: "Had to interact with them!"
      Okay. Though admit that you were sick? After all, they “interacted” with the Bulgarians! laughing
      uskrabut: "... what a pity, lost a very good springboard in southern Europe .."
      Well, you are a maximalist! Do you want your head not to hurt, and have a bridgehead! laughing
      uskrabut: "..and the Turks from Bulgaria would be more convenient to scare .."
      Ahhh, that’s what your whole idea was! Wow! good Only now, somehow inconsistently it turns out ... For you, either the Bulgarians or the brothers, or the enemies! Either Turks are partners, then Turks are enemies! There’s some kind of confusion! Are you not confused? Split personality? Or is it ... perceive your throwing normally? bully
    3. Maksim
      Maksim 29 May 2017 23: 55
      +1
      Where are you lucky if not a secret? If in WoT - then yes, maybe.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 30 May 2017 17: 29
        0
        I’m grieving you, but I don’t play computer games, the age is not the same, you could guess. And what good NATO is best for you, the Serb brothers will tell you. By the way, they are the only ones in Europe who did not surrender to Germany. The rest, excuse me, let in the third Reich, as a native, why they do not like to remember. And without Russia, Bulgaria would not have taken place as a state either in the 19th or in the 20th century. Too bad you forgot about it.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 30 May 2017 17: 47
          +2
          We have more than 200 settlements named in honor of officers and soldiers of the Republic of Armenia, the BOC Cathedral is named after Alexander Nevsky in honor of the Russian soldiers who died for our freedom, cemeteries and mass graves are well-groomed everywhere, thousands of streets are named after Russian diplomats and officers, we study RTV in schools 1877-1878 there are parks, Pleven panoramas and permanent museum expositions. Opposite the Bulgarian parliament is a monument to Alexanddr 2nd. Just forgot ...
        2. nedgen
          nedgen 27 November 2017 00: 25
          0
          Quote: uskrabut
          By the way, they are the only ones in Europe who did not surrender to Germany. The rest, excuse me, let in the third Reich, as a native, why they do not like to remember. And without Russia, Bulgaria would not have taken place as a state either in the 19th or in the 20th century. Too bad you forgot about it.


          Excuse me dear, but then Greece that also let in the Third Reich and met him with bread and salt ??? Yes, of course, there would be no Bulgaria on the map now. That's true. And no one forgot about us in spite of all the efforts of the Amer’s servants, especially among the so-called intellectuals.
  39. kokocharnikov
    kokocharnikov 29 May 2017 16: 50
    +2
    Well, you were all lucky with your new Turkish "friends" after 1.12.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX ... when, in spite of all Bulgarians (you didn't give a damn about the people, not the politicians, no one asked the people, but for the South Stream, not for NATO or the EU) In order to bypass us, the Ottoman Turks began to build a Turkish stream. I do not know of a case that in Bulgaria policemen shot Russian ambassadors, so that they shot down Russian planes even outside their air. пространства,и когда российские летчики прыгали с парашютами,чтобы злобно еще в воздухе их расстреливали.Но точно етим занимаются Ваши Турецкие Друзья,а вы им-Ну ничего,извинение приняли поток будем строит,все же турки друзья,а вот,болгары плохие,и потоком,и во всем,на болгар будем наплевать,(от старика до новорожденного),а турок любить и поддерживать..Если вашего посла расстреляли,то тогда подумайте какова безопасность обычного вашего туриста в вашей ,как говорите,"дружественной" после очередного удара изпод тишка-Турцик...Не будет удивительно,если и возле авиакатастрофы 25.12.2016  Ту-154 в очередной раз появится турецкий след,а если не появится,значит прикрили...Да,все предатели,а только вы,со своим великим шовинизмом белые и пушистые.Забыли о Главном Предателе Миша М.С.Горбагого-предателя всех времен и народов,и он ваш,а не наш,с котором все и началось.Вь вообще не похожы на СССР с его соц-интернационализмом и хотя бь на словах миролюбием,но более похожы на одну западную страну 30-х тодов прошлого века с ее националсоциализмом и реваншизмом за прежнее поражение,аннексиями чужих территории(немцы тоже считали Австрию  и Судетов частью Германии как и вы Крым и часть Украины),и войнолюбием и угрозами всему миру.Не Обама,Меркель или кто то другой,а своими злобными комментариями против болгар вы сами отталкиваете их и превращаете около 80% из русофилов здесь в русофобов,ибо никто из наших Не Мазохист,чтобь вас уважать,а на него наплевали,и вы успели в етом ,что западнье политики не успели до сих пор.Вы калечите нашу историю враньем якобы болгары воевали и даже стреляли по вас,путая целенаправленно с румьнами или венграми например,калечите  нашу историю более чем1300 летней  давности,конца 9-го века,что якобы от греков,а не от болгар,вы взяли кириллицу буквы писать,и все ето из за ненависти к нашему народу,не делая разницу между народа и политиками,злорадствуя при любом происшествии или несчастном случае у нас(например взрыв завода  в Горни Лом осенью 2014г,когда погибли простые рабочие,на минимальную зарплату,ваши русские писаки комментировали"Хорошо получилось...Побольше бы таких новостей..".После взрыва у нас поезда с сжиженным газом возле поселка Хитрино в конце 2016г,и с немалыми жертвами,злобные русские комментаторы в соцсетях злорадствовали"Если бы не отказались от Южного Потока,то не стало бы такое,вам полагается такое,перевозите газа хоть...канистрами".Но в отличии от вас,я не фоб,и не нацист,так что не скажу такого по поводу Ту-154 на Рождество 2016,а скажу лишь соболезнования жертвам,и Лизы, и Ансамбля Александровского,которого всегда высоко ценил..В отличии от вас,злорадствующих по поводу любого горя на Болгарской Земле.,Страна Толстого и Достоевского,Гоголя и Чехова,Пушкина и Лермонтова,Пастернака и ,Булгакова,ее люди упали сейчас до такого низкого уровня...Их арийские братья сжигали книги,а они сейчас сжигают книги в своем сознании.Даже и сейчас,когда мы выбрали пророссийского или хотя бь не западного президента,снова плеваете по всему нашему народу.Самые ненавидящие для нас страны,читая ваши злобные наплевания следующие-Македония,Сербия,Турция и Россия.Вы приняли на вооружение Геббельсовские методы пропаганды,включая манипуляции и наглую ложь(вспомним Геббельсовскую Русскую ложь о якобы приглашения Эрдогана 3 марта 2016,которого не было,но зато напечатали ето в миллионных тиражей вашей правды комсомольской,или вернее,гитлерюгендской...Никога не признаете факт,что болгары дали вам и православную веру-Киприян,и Кириллицу буквы писать-кириллица создана учениками Константина Кирилла-Философа и Мефодия,пришедшими в болгарскую столицу Преслав,в Преславской книжевной школе,до прихода Симеона Великого нашего царя,,кесаря и владетеля всех болгар и греков,после серии побед,от которого трепетала Византия(песня "Возле Босфора"),Но вы Шовинисты,последовавшие теории расовой ваших арийских Братьев в прошлом ,с которыми делили мир ,как Ленин говорил,на Сферы Влияния,(ето по Ленинна признаки империализма),с 39-го года.Все ясно,но неясно лишь одно-Вы,войнолюбцы,хвастаетесь армией,ядерными силами,тополями и ярсами,воеводами,булавами и искандерами,ПАКФА Т-50,калибрами и бастионами,угрожаете Америку и всю Европу,а вот,вшивая Турция вам Су-24 и потом расстреляли российского посла,убийца убрали,чтоб след не приводил и к Эрдогану,со звериным расстрелом ваших летчиков подбила,но вы,проглотили ето унижение,словно ничего,приняли Ложное извинение Эрдогана-а может и извинения и не было,а лишь сожаления,и даже начали лизать Туркам задницу,потому что ето одно дело плевать на болгар,на слабого во многим отношениям,а на сильных плевать и отомстить за честь свою и своего пилота не посмели...Для вас деньги и прибыль гораздо дороже какой то там чести и мести не только за двух военных и Су-24, и российского посла,так,чтоб наплевать на себя ради прибыли начали с османской империей турецкий поток строить,обходя болгар со стороны,чтоб наплевать на нас и на всего народа,,но вместе с етим,дружа с турками после СУ-24 и расстрела российского посла,,вы наплевали прежде всего на себя в лицо,показав,что даже и Турция,не имея ядерных аргументов,в отличии от сша,англии и т.д.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 29 May 2017 17: 19
      +1
      that’s the essence of the “bros” who still would have lived under the Turks, could not defend their freedom themselves! betrayers will always betray you! wassat
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut 29 May 2017 21: 41
      +1
      From you skidded! Taki managed to gut your Anglo-Saxons brains. Only your quiet and happy life behind the USA will not take place, the Anglo-Saxons need eastern Europe as cannon fodder. Russia never betrayed the Bulgarians, it also saved them from the Turkish massacre; in gratitude, the Bulgarians fought on the side of the enemy in two world wars. If you forgot what the Russians did to save the Bulgarians, go to Shipka is impressive. I have the honor.
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 29 May 2017 23: 58
        +2
        Another connoisseur of history. Is it possible in more detail about WWII - where, when, by what forces did they fight? Do not be shy - you can memories, photos. Even Vicki is accepted.

        And then explain what the Bulgarian general did at the Victory Parade.
        1. wazza
          wazza 30 May 2017 01: 09
          +1
          In the territory of the USSR they carried out rear convoy service, especially on the railway. Most likely there were clashes with partisans.
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 30 May 2017 06: 57
            +2
            And who was carrying it? Is it possible to name the unit? Or is it so secret that it cannot be publicly revealed?

            There were no military units and volunteer units in the USSR. But still, we are waiting for the list of guerrilla groups that entered the battle, the capture of the Bulgarian MILITARY in the USSR
            1. wazza
              wazza 30 May 2017 07: 43
              +2
              You can search for yourself. But at least it wasn’t good at the front.
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 30 May 2017 16: 50
                +1
                No need to search as there were none.
                1. wazza
                  wazza 30 May 2017 18: 04
                  0
                  In Soviet schools in the history lessons they taught what happened.
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 30 May 2017 20: 13
                    +1
                    Neither in the History of WWII of the USSR Academy of Sciences this was nor in the other history textbooks available to us. Maybe you learned from the secret primers.
                    But didn’t you read school books, more serious books?
        2. uskrabut
          uskrabut 30 May 2017 09: 38
          +1
          Quote: Mac Sim
          Is it possible in more detail about WWII - where, when, by what forces did they fight?

          Fortunately, I do not know such facts. If this happened, it would be the height of meanness. But the fact that Bulgaria acted as an ally of Germany in the most difficult time for the USSR is a very bad fact.
          "And then explain what the Bulgarian general did at the Victory Parade."
          There were many guests at the Victory Parade, and who would refuse to be in the camp of winners. Romanians and Hungarians also fought for Germany, and when Soviet troops arrived, they quickly changed orientation. The USSR did not take revenge, did everything to save European cities, although it had every right to make them the same as Europeans did ours.
          In war, you can fight on the side of the enemy, or you can not help your brothers - which is worse and meaner?
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 May 2017 13: 48
            +3
            uskrabut : "But the fact that Bulgaria acted as an ally of Germany in the most difficult time for the USSR is a very bad fact."
            Response: 23.08.1939 The USSR and Germany sign the Nonaggression Pact and begin intensive cooperation in all areas of economics. By the way, it was before that. Many famous German Nazi military leaders trained after WWII in the USSR. The tristran pact is joined chronologically: 20.11.1940, Hungary, 23.11.1940, Romania, 24.11.1940, Slovakia, 01.03.1941, Bulgaria, 25.03.1941, Yugoslavia. 13.04.1941 of the USSR and Japan sign the act of neutrality. Since the signing of the non-aggression pact between the USSR and Germany in the 39 year, the Bulgarian Communist Party receives instructions from the Comintern on the cessation of hostile activities and propaganda against Germany. As can be seen from the chronology, Bulgaria enters into a tripartite pact, at a time when relations between the USSR and Germany are friendly and almost allied. We know that the question of the entry of the USSR into this Pact was also discussed. Was there another possibility for the Bulgarians by the 41 of the year? At least observe neutrality? The unequivocal answer is no! Since the looming on the Danube invincible by that time, 600 thousand. the German army and with another 500 thousand. Turkish concentrating on the southern Bulgarian border, 100 thousand. the weakly armed Bulgarian army, in the country until recently under the restrictions of the New Treaty, had no chance. The USSR and Germany were friends, and the interests of the British, the Bulgarians would never have fought. Tsar Boris III had no choice due to the geographical location of Bulgaria. One way or another, the Germans could not get around Bulgaria and enter, but together with the Turks from the south, then the genocide of the Bulgarian people would come. Tsar Boris nevertheless managed to give the Germans much less during WWII than they would have taken if they had attacked and occupied the country. When Germany attacked the USSR at 22.06.1941, BULGARIA, ONE OF ALL COUNTRIES, MEMBERS OF THE TRANSPARENT PACT, refused to participate in the war against the USSR! And many participated ... Even from those who were not officially an ally of Germany! Bulgaria and the USSR SAVED THEIR DIPLOATIC RELATIONS until 05.09.1944, when the USSR declared war on Bulgaria. Military operations between the Bulgarians and the Soviet army were not conducted. The only dead Soviet soldiers on the territory of Bulgaria, there were several soldiers as a result of the anti-terrorist operation when the Soviet truck crashed when crossing through mountain passes. The bad fact is that you are not friends with the facts.

            uskrabut: "And then explain what the Bulgarian general did at the Victory Parade."
            Answer: Since September 1944, Bulgaria has been in a war against fascist Germany. In general, from 1944 to 1945, the BG mobilizes the 4 army with a total of more than 500 thousand. soldier. (this is the second largest army group allied to the Soviet Army on the Eastern Front). Of these, the 1, 2 and 3 armies are directly involved in the war against the Germans. 4 Army does not participate in battles, but covers the border with Turkey. Bulgarian armies reach the Alps, where they meet with the 8-British army. Bulgarian soldiers had to fight after the official capitulation of Germany! On May 13 in the Alps, the Bulgarians, one of the last German groups was defeated, refusing to surrender. The Bulgarian army fought two more months after the surrender of Germany and Yugoslavia against the Croatian Ustash. The total losses of the Bulgarian army in the war against Germany make up 32 thousand. soldier. The losses of the German army in battles with the Bulgarians are approx. 69 thousand. soldier. Many Borgar military service and commanders have Soviet distinctions and orders. Therefore, and Gen. Stoychev / commanders of the 1-bg army / was invited and participated in the Victory Parade. Stalin himself paid tribute to the Bulgarians for their participation in the defeat of Germany! Photo below. So, your hardenings have no basis under themselves.

          2. Maksim
            Maksim 30 May 2017 16: 58
            +1
            "But the fact that Bulgaria acted as an ally of Germany in the most difficult time for the USSR is a very bad fact."

            I do not argue. But in 1940, Boris the 3rd was an example of the rule of his father and how it ended, as did the old people in three wars for 7 years. He tried to avoid a new disaster for the country. And in March, the Wehrmacht stood at the threshold of the country, the army as such wasn’t, and Germany was going to fight Greece no matter what. And the help of England and France did not have to wait - Poland has already shown when they arrive.
            What then was left for Bulgaria to do?
          3. nedgen
            nedgen 27 November 2017 00: 45
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            Sorry dear history expert but gene. Stoichev, commander of the Bulgarian First Army, was not INVITED. He was a participant in the victory parade and passed in the parade of the 3rd Ukrainian front. As for the Hungarians. Very interesting thing. When the official Hungarian army is sorry, they fought on the side of the USSR in WWII ??? Naskolko, I know the Hungarians were the only German allies who fought the USSR not only until May 9, 1945, but even a few days after that. But with Romania the situation is even stranger. More than half a million Romanians fought against the USSR, and on the side of the USSR after 1944 only 100, and Romania (very interesting how it happened) was among the countries of the winners. There, even Turkey signed up declaring war on the Third Reich, it seems in April of the 000th, but Bulgaria in general did not have troops in the east and even in the west in the camp of the vanquished ?? The only clashes of the Bulgarian armed forces are the sinking of three conscientious submarines in the BULGARIAN TERVODs and attacks on the bombers of the Americans and the British. and EVERYTHING. Of course, the Bulgarian army fought against the Serbian partisans and probably freed 45-1 German divisions (maybe even 2-5), but because of the sabotage of the Bulgarian partisans, the Germans were forced to keep up to 6 soldiers on the Bulgarian territory to protect communications. Something like this
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  41. pytar
    pytar 29 May 2017 18: 32
    +4
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    pytar Bulgaria can always feed itself.

    Only an industrial power can feed itself, and not an agricultural one, and this is an axiom.


    Demonstrate again that you are not friends with math! Axioms don't know! laughing And in general there are many interdimensional steps between these concepts - “industrial” and “agrarian”. Whatever it was, do not worry about us. Many of those who worried about things not theirs, took it and died ... An overabundance of emotions is harmful to health! smile
  42. pytar
    pytar 29 May 2017 18: 46
    +4
    Quote: kokocharnikov
    One correction .. After reading such vicious Bulgarian Garabagh Russian disregard articles and comments, it is likely that any Russophile in Bulgaria will switch to the opposite opinion in minutes, no one is a masochist to endure such mockery from his country and his people

    The anti-Bulgarian hysteria in Russian-language forums looks absolutely ridiculous ... inadequate. She is trained methodically and purposefully. In the age of information wars, we should understand what goals are being pursued. Professional trolls are very active. But unfortunately, many uninformed people from Russia unknowingly participate in it. As you read, with what anger they write their outlandish posts, you understand that these are dumbfounded people, offended lives ... probably with healthy problems. There are such places in all countries. But those in Russia, more advanced ... Learned how to rant on the keyboard of a computer! Of course, normal, sane People are much more and dis will not work. Our peoples are friends and will be friends!
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 29 May 2017 20: 23
      +1
      pytar The anti-Bulgarian hysteria in Russian-language forums looks absolutely ridiculous ... inadequate. She is trained methodically and purposefully.

      Well, that seems ridiculous to you.
      I repeat in WWII and WWII (in the most terrible wars in the history of mankind), Bulgaria was in the camp of the enemy of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR.
      Now Bulgaria is again in the camp of the enemy of the Russian Federation.
      All of the above is ridiculous to you and you are "surprised" by the poor attitude towards Bulgaria.
      It’s just that for once, Russia decided to take an inventory of relations with its friends (real and imaginary) and in some century Russia began to value the lives of its sons and daughters, therefore it has a moral right to evaluate the actions (inaction) of its imaginary allies that led to the death of her children in the past ....

      I’m tired of you, to be honest, live as you want and with whom you want, just remember that in the future war between the Russian Federation and NATO, we (at least I) will not take the Bulgarian prisoners ....
      I hope I did not offend anyone.
      1. pytar
        pytar 29 May 2017 22: 23
        +2
        DOCTOR ZLO : Well, that seems ridiculous to you.
        Response: You do not read carefully. "Anti-Bulgarian hysteria in Russian-speaking forums looks like absolutely ridiculous ... inadequate. BUT!!! "It is generated methodically and purposefully. It is a disinformation event. Who is behind him is a question ... "

        DOCTOR ZLO : I repeat in WWI and WWII (in the most terrible wars in the history of mankind), Bulgaria was in the camp of the enemy of the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR. Now Bulgaria is again in the camp of the enemy of the Russian Federation.
        Response: You constantly repeat the same thing. Cd-r. Not subject to overwrite. Disposable. The entry is erroneous, but ... the defect is unrecoverable.

        DOCTOR ZLO : All of the above is absurd to you and you are “surprised” by the poor attitude towards Bulgaria.
        Response: I'm not surprised. I am familiar with the technology of zombie masses. About disposable CD-R explained above. But the one who thinks with his own head, is not so pliable for the impact and learning new things will not be papuga ..

        DOCTOR ZLO : Just for once, Russia decided .... and for some century Russia ... therefore it has a moral right ....
        Response: As I understand it, you have good reason to speak on behalf of all of Russia! Type of authority from at least 51% of the population of Russia?

        DOCTOR ZLO[/ b]: I'm tired of you, to be honest, live as you want and with whom you want ...
        [b] Answer
        : Your fatigue is very felt. It is unlikely that she is connected with what you write. Probably need more rest and not torment yourself with such a load. In general, Doctor Evil, it Evil is always tiring ... It must be from good! Good is necessary!

        DOCTOR ZLO : "... we (at least I) will not take the Bulgarians prisoner ...."
        Response: I hope that even you, and even at least, will not take anything. It looks like you are taking something and it is very unadulterated!

        DOCTOR ZLO : I hope I have not offended anyone.
        Response : Not! You have not offended anyone! We, or even I in particular, are sympathetic to your oddities ... I hope you did not offend! I’ll even apologize for you, because in reality you are offended by yourself! All this nonsense that you carry is offensive to you first of all.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 30 May 2017 00: 11
          +2
          Doctor, you have not offended anyone. Offended by children is actually stupid. When will your youthful maximalism pass and if you read a little more intermet fails, then I hope to understand that in life there are other colors than black and white.
          And about the war score - it’s better to fight in tanks than in real life.
  43. Conductor
    Conductor 29 May 2017 20: 22
    0
    Shoes painfully resemble ours.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 30 May 2017 13: 42
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      And I liked their old form from the 80s. Winter cloth, french jacket and cap with ears. And the summer one is like a green cotton tunic, only they don’t have khaki, but the color of plum leaves, and a cap without ears. They also had great boots, we never dreamed of then, soft, light, molten sole. And also a genuine leather belt with a lion on a badge
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 30 May 2017 20: 16
        +1
        A summer type of tunic made of green cotton

        Very comfortable by the way.
  44. Maksim
    Maksim 29 May 2017 23: 31
    +1
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Only an industrial power can feed itself, and not an agricultural one, and this is an axiom.


    Do you think that in Bulgaria you are swollen from hunger, no? The agrarian power is doomed to remain a country where the people are fed, but know nothing but grub. But an industrial country needs to be educated, and as a result, all other areas of life.
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 00: 46
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      Mac Sim Yesterday, 23: 31
      Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
      Only an industrial power can feed itself, and not an agricultural one, and this is an axiom.
      Do you think that in Bulgaria you are swollen from hunger, no?

      No, I don’t think so. You are still relatively little in the EU and NATO, how is Bulgaria’s new military budget taking into account Trump’s recommendations to increase it to 2% of GDP?
      You are still not forced to upgrade your B and BT to Western models (by the way, many used B and BT European NATO countries remaining from the Cold War are already over, you have to ask the USA or Turkey if it’s fun to see M48 tanks in service with Bulgaria’s armed forces and M60 handed over to the Turks by the "fraternal" Bulgarian people).
      1. alatanas
        alatanas 30 May 2017 09: 29
        +1
        Whatever tanks they gave us, there is no one to ride them, since practically in the real sense of the word Bulgaria does not have an army.
  45. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 30 May 2017 14: 37
    +2
    No Bulgarian army is now thanks to NATO.
    Stopping the construction of the AEC Belene is of course a grave mistake. The EU destroyed everything that it could from the Bulgarian industry created with the help of the USSR.
    Bulgarian rulers in the past three times made mistakes in alliances and two times it ended in a national catastrophe.
    Everything is true as well as true that the leadership of the USSR at the end of the 20 century destroyed its great power itself and betrayed all its allies, starting with Najibul in Afghanistan.
    All this is a story from which we should all learn so that they don’t repeat the same mistakes.
    The main thing now is that Russia and Bulgaria have the same geopolitical interests if someone has not yet noticed. And if for Russia an alliance with Bulgaria is not so necessary, then for Bulgaria the friendship of Russia is like “air and sun for a living creature,” as comrade G. Dimitrov noted in the past. Not because there will be nothing to eat or there will be no gas, but because Bulgaria cannot guarantee itself for itself and no one (except Russia and the USSR in the past) needs it.
    1. DOCTOR ZLO
      DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 16: 25
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      Kostadinov The main thing now is that Russia and Bulgaria have the same geopolitical interests if someone has not yet noticed.

      I did not notice. Name at least some joint geopolitical project of the Russian Federation and Bulgaria.
      And if for Russia an alliance with Bulgaria is not so necessary, then for Bulgaria the friendship of Russia is like “air and sun for a living creature,” as comrade G. Dimitrov noted in the past. Not because there will be nothing to eat or there will be no gas, but because Bulgaria cannot guarantee itself for itself and no one (except Russia and the USSR in the past) needs it.

      Probably, if NATO abandons you and does not want to defend it, for example, from Turkey itself, then the Russian Federation all the same, no matter what, Turkey’s head will have to be torn off for you (once again), if only because the Russian Federation cannot forgive itself then will leave you. And the Turks are aware of this, therefore, if Turkey occupies you, then only by purely economic means and by the dominance of its citizens in Bulgaria ...
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 30 May 2017 17: 09
        +2
        Do not be naive. The Russian Federation will leave us if it is in its interests, even if everyone with balalaikas, earflaps and bears is built in front of the Russian embassy. So by the way it happened in 1885 when the Republic of Ingushetia, right before the Serbian-Bulgarian war, took all the officers from the BA who were her filed. And only the company commanders remained. And Rozhdestvensky took all the ships on the Danube when he returned home. Then they were truly returned. So either we have a common geopolitical project, or partnerships.
    2. pytar
      pytar 30 May 2017 16: 27
      +3
      To Kostadinov:
      No Bulgarian army is now thanks to NATO. - The fact. Although NATO is not to blame. Bulgaria does not have enough financial resources to support a strong army. In general, in all the NATO countries they save on financing the armies, with the exception of the USA and Turkey. Tram insists on increasing the military budgets of NATO countries, at least up to 2% of GDP, as stipulated in the agreements.

      Stopping the construction of the AEC Belene is certainly a grave mistake. - Perhaps there was a mistake, and maybe it was right. This is a very expensive building. Money, as it turned out, is not enough. Moreover, current consumption in Bulgaria is decreasing, and the export market is narrowing. Traditional buyers of Bulgarian current build their facilities. Probably in the next couple of years, there will be a technological breakthrough in the energy sector. There are suspicions that precisely because of this, Westinghouse and others app. companies are shutting down their business with classic nuclear reactors.

      The EU destroyed everything that it could from the Bulgarian industry created with the help of the USSR. - The collapse of the Bulgarian industry was carried out according to the RanT plan. The ego was developed in the USA by order and during the time of Andrei Lukanov at the beginning of the 90. All the main components of the plan were implemented BEFORE Bulgaria entered the EU in 2007. Russians do not know, but if you are Bulgarian, you know about RaT. The influence of the EU on the Bulgarian economy as a whole is most likely positive than negative. There is another serious reason for the collapse in the Bulgarian industry after the 90. In the same form in which it was created with the help of the USSR, it could not function in market conditions. Somewhere above I wrote on this occasion. I do not want to repeat myself.

      Bulgarian rulers in the past three times made mistakes in alliances and two times it ended in a national catastrophe. - Wrong. But for Bulgaria, WWI was a Fair, Liberation and Unified War! In WWII there was no alternative for Bulgaria either. As for the current state, it is necessary to look objectively for what reasons Bulgaria ended up in the western bloc and the role of the CCC / Russia in the development of the situation ..

      Everything is true as well as true that the leadership of the USSR at the end of the 20 century destroyed its great power itself and betrayed all its allies, starting with Najibul in Afghanistan. - Indisputable fact. Only now they do not want to admit their betrayals. It’s easier to blame others then shouting left and right.

      The main thing now is that Russia and Bulgaria have the same geopolitical interests if someone has not yet noticed. - Not in all cases coincide unfortunately.

      "... for Bulgaria, friendship between Russia is like" air and sun for a living creature, "as Comrade G. Dimitrov noted in the past ..." -This is true, only comrade. Dimitrov spoke not about Russia, but about "friendship with the USSR." These are different things. And the same comrade Dimitrov in the name of friendship went on an unprecedented betrayal of the Bulgarian people. Macedonia.
      1. DOCTOR ZLO
        DOCTOR ZLO 30 May 2017 17: 50
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        pytar

        The main thing now is that Russia and Bulgaria have the same geopolitical interests if someone has not yet noticed. - Not in all cases coincide unfortunately.

        Call at least one case where it coincides; by definition we do not have any joint geopolitical projects. The last project (of an economic nature) was planned for South Stream, but you wrapped it up, apparently it was not profitable for Bulgaria.
        I do not see any economic connection between the Russian Federation and Bulgaria in the future. Like Ukraine, Bulgaria is a closed project and no one will work with you from the Russian Federation, because Bulgaria depends on the position of the EU and the USA, and in the future on Turkey.
        Rumor has it that today some Turkish politicians openly talk about the need to create Turkish autonomy in Bulgaria.

        http://bourgas.ru/turciya-bolgariya-problem-mensh
        e-ne-stanovitsya /
        Here Uncle Chago says (Rudolfovich is true)
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 30 May 2017 20: 19
          +2
          Like Ukraine, Bulgaria is a closed project and no one will work with you from the Russian Federation,

          Bet you are wrong?
        2. pytar
          pytar 30 May 2017 20: 46
          +3
          DOCTOR ZLO: Call at least one case where it coincides; by definition we do not have any joint geopolitical projects.
          Answer: Our common interests? World peace! Or not...? Projects will be soon. In the moment there is a geological - educational work on UP ??? - 2. More info when emu time comes.

          DOCTOR ZLO: The last project (of an economic nature) was planned for South Stream, but you wrapped it up, apparently it was not profitable for Bulgaria.
          Answer: Rave. You have no idea what this is about. And I worked with the Bulgarian side on the 4 project for years. Unfortunately in the Russian media you will not find a single gram of truth on this question. My first terrible disappointment in them came just then. Now I'm not surprised. I won’t even discuss it. Frankly, it makes no difference what they compose.

          DOCTOR ZLO: I do not see any economic connection between Russia and Bulgaria in the future
          Response: Communication with you is a waste of time. With vision problems, an ophthalmologist helps.

          DOCTOR ZLO: Ukraine, Bulgaria closed project ..
          Answer: As a designer, I have been developing projects all my life. I’ll just say that - the topic is clearly not yours. In it, you definitely do not mean anything.

          DOCTOR ZLO: ... no one will work with you from the Russian Federation ...
          Answer: Work and will work. You are clearly not up to date on the affairs of the Russian Federation. You probably write from another country and introduce yourself as a "citizen patriot from Russia" on the forum.

          DOCTOR ZLO: Here Uncle Chago says (Rudolfovich is true)
          Answer: The ego refused to look at the second phrase from the video. What is there to discuss if Uncle / Mastitis Professor Oleg Ayrapetov / speaks out in a serious tone about a nonexistent event. The fake "Bulgaria instead of Putin invited Erdogan on the Day of Liberation from the Turkish Yoke" was exposed several hours after he was circulated in the Russian media. The ego was launched from one fake site in the morning on March 3 2016. The so-called Pravda.ru intercepted it and then replicated it in 120 thousand. Russian-language info. Madness. A direct demonstration of what actually happens in the Russian-language media space. By the way, this fake continues its “life” in troll comments.
  46. iouris
    iouris 2 June 2017 23: 57
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    Lovely scolding - only amuse. Come in fifty years later - we'll talk.