And “Yaroslavna” is crying and crying, or What does the new state armament program of Russia for Russia 2018-2025 prepare for us?

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Before the announcement of the new state armament program of Russia on 2018-2025. just over a month left. In early July, this program will be announced by the Russian government. But already now some patriotic and liberal publications have started talking about reducing military programs, about abandoning the already announced weapons systems, about the crisis in the country's defense industry. It reminds me of another "cry of Yaroslavna". “Chef, everything is lost” ... And therefore it is worth talking on this topic today.





Probably, any commander always lacks something for successful, without much stress, the execution of an order. For some reason, the higher-ranking fathers always put tasks at the limit of their capabilities. And the requirements to strengthen the division or part of the additional forces and means meet the standard phrase: "I give you where I come from ... (then what is you asking for is listed)?". And you have to perform. And the higher the position, the more often you have to listen to such a "face" ... Yes, and to answer the very same words to the requirements of subordinates. And in particularly difficult cases there is a universal phrase: "If it were simple, I would send another." And at the highest level, the Minister of Defense is probably listening to something similar when discussing the military budget for the next year.

So, probably, it happened when the Minister of Defense received reports of a sharp reduction in funds allocated for rearmament. 16 May revealed that the military-industrial complex and the army will receive significantly less funds for modernization than previously planned. The budget is reduced by 3 trillion rubles. From 20 to 17 trillion. Agree, the money is huge. And exactly as I wrote above, the Minister of Defense listens to all the same words from the commander in chief. Before 2020, the army should be provided with the latest 70% weapons. "If ... I would send another ..."

It is clear that the great intentions of General Shoigu impresses not only us, but also the "partners" surrounding Russia. Already no one, including you and I, remembers the truism. What for? We are already talking about the “integral talk”. We have already seen a new technique ... We compared the characteristics ... We showed ... The enemies know ... And let's "go back to the first class."

So, Russia today is forced to confront NATO. Why this is happening is not the topic of today's conversation. Take the standoff as a given. Almost 150 million Russia is opposed to almost 500 million Europe. How much is obtained in the "faces of the face" for each Russian? And I repeat, it is only on the western borders. But you can and stronger "hit." Recall the economy of the Russian Federation and the EU.

And if we just turn our heads to the southwest? Well, or sub? It is as whom it is more convenient depending on the location at this time. Our country is "wide". What is there? And there is Turkey. Although a member of NATO, but the player is quite independent. And not at all weak. Turks guys are cunning. Questions of morality and compliance with international obligations are not particularly interested. About this and the downed plane reminds us very well, and the epic with our goods, and periodic changes of views on the Crimea and the situation in Ukraine.

By the way, I deliberately did not write about Ukraine. I understand that some readers will now criticize my position, but ... With all the talk and statements from the "hawks" from Kiev, there is hope that the active phase of the confrontation will be avoided. Not because we can slam the Independent Army literally in hours. Not. Just because, as if the ukronatsists didn’t care, thank God, there are a lot of really fraternal people in Ukraine. Kiev is well aware that the most realistic scenario of the Russian-Ukrainian war has already been shown in the Crimea. In outline...

But back to serious questions. There, in this side, there is today so much of everything that my head is spinning. Look at Syria, at Iran. Look also to the south, wherever the American president visited. I, like many others, have already written that Trump is a businessman. But today I can add one more, not very pleasant for us quality of this person. He is a good strategist. And his actions oh how verified. Thanks to the American Constitution, which limits the President of the United States in many ways. But more about that in another article. By the way, the guys from this direction are also enough in the face faces.

We continue to "turn his head." And who is there? Oh, there is the first economy of the world. People's Republic of China. With your ambitions and claims. Can we call China allies? Who has enough "big stretch" on this? We are partners. But partners in opposition to the West. No more. Chinese will not trade with their interests. And they will not give up. Therefore, the relationship there we need to build with caution. About the number of soldiers, I generally keep quiet. It's a shame like a man ...

And if you turn to the East completely? Hello samurai! We somehow completely ignore these guys. We look at the size of their islands and chuckle. Nippon Koku (that is the name of Japan) is not just an economically strong state. Who forgot, Japan is among the five most developed economies in the world. And the population is quite comparable with the Russian Federation. Only the Japanese live compactly. Not "spread" over a vast territory like us.

How do you like the tour? Like, I hope. This we have not looked to the north. There while the "civilized West" does not survive. But this is for now ...

Most of the readers of this article are people involved in the army in the past or present. And the question of priorities will be answered completely in an army manner. In the light of my "excursion". It is necessary to strengthen the land component of the army. Firstly. The presence of a strong land army, the possibility of its quick transfer to any region will give a real guarantee of the security of the country.

According to those statements that emanate from the Ministry of Defense, it can be concluded that this is exactly what our generals think. And not only they. The leaders of the defense industry agree on this opinion with Minister Shoigu.

When reading some articles in our mass media, there is a strong opinion that horses, people somehow mixed up in the heads of our people ... I’m sure that readers can already cite examples from “all props”. Where is Armata? They promised to transfer the entire army to new Tanks... Where is the "Kurganets"? Where are the promising aircraft? Where, where, where ... I really want to answer in rhyme. Soldierly. Forgot your prewar years? When the rearmament was in full swing, and for some reason Hitler did not want to wait for its completion? Has memory lost sight of the successes of our defense industry?

Interestingly arranged our brain. Appeared promising aircraft. So what? We already perceive our Sukhie, MiGs, Tupolev and other Miles and Kamovs that are already in service as outdated weapons. Armata appeared, and the "old" T-72 and T-90 already seem to be unable to fight on equal terms with Western tanks. And at the same time, most are happy to see examples of such a confrontation in a real war in Syria. Looks and is proud of our weapons.

Our weapons are not inferior to Western. Somewhere we lose. In some components. But somewhere we win. So it was, is and will be. There will always be. Engineers and designers work not only in Russia, but also in other countries. Work daily. And the results of this work are all.

Hence, a simple conclusion, which, I suppose, has already been made not only by me, but also by those who own information in general. It is necessary not only to re-equip our army to more recent samples. It is necessary to modernize existing systems that have shown their combat potential. Military operations are an excellent "testing ground" for testing military equipment.

Not for nothing, a little earlier, the Ministry of Defense announced a reduction in purchases of the same Armat. 20-30 machines per year instead of 100. So, hello tank builders, get ready to work in three shifts to modernize the rest of the tank fleet. Hello aircraft manufacturers. Wait for your products to upgrade. In short, hello to all "defense industry." Work!

Naturally, now representatives of the SKB and other "smart heads" were outraged. And we? And who said that scientists, designers and engineers forgot about? What is the most difficult in the design and production of military equipment? Especially when it comes to fundamentally new approaches to this? New layout, new stuffing, new concept of combat work? Any constructor will answer unequivocally. The most difficult is the "refinement" of weapons and equipment. When in the process of testing revealed some completely "wild" things.

In addition to all of the above, the Ministry of Defense will pay sufficient attention to other issues. Issues without which all efforts to strengthen the ground forces will be reduced to zero. Namely, the issues of air defense, missile defense and VKS.

Here, too, an interesting trend is emerging among the readers. Most probably remember the appearance of C-400 messages. Army with might and main was equipped with excellent C-300 complexes. Upgraded, with characteristics that were not even close to the first samples. But they started talking about C-400, and that's it ... NATO and other "partners" are afraid of these complexes as hell of incense, but we are already in short supply. Give C-400! Today? Give C-500! And the most zealous are already "swinging" on C-600, 700, 800 ... Well, and more.

Dear "military experts"! C-400 still no one surpassed. Western analysts say it is impossible to resist this complex, even with the latest aircraft and missiles. Put the cart back. Let the "horse" still be, as it should be, ahead. And you should not forget about other systems. The same "Buki-M3" or "Torah-M2". The letters with which they are supplemented mean a lot.

By the way, this also applies to video conferencing. Where is the promising bomber? And what about the new strategists of the Tu-160? More precisely, the Tu-160 M2? Is there something similar in the world? The resumption of the construction of these machines increases our power at times. How many such machines do we need? Hundreds, thousands? Not. Enough 5-6 dozens of machines. Perhaps a little more, given the course for the replacement of turboprop Tu-95.

From here, again, by analogy with the ground forces, in the long term the purchase of the Su-30, Su-34, Su-35 aircraft that have perfectly proven themselves to be in operation in Syria. Moreover, there is a complete confidence that the "dead", according to reports of our and Western media, "MiG" will begin to supply its MiG-35. The need for such machines is obvious.

Quite recently, shock units and units appeared in the Russian army. We talked about this in detail in one of the previous articles. However, today this fact “plays” on the side of aircraft manufacturers as well. Accordingly, in the light of the prospects for the rearmament program of the army. I think that in the coming years, design offices and factories producing delivery systems for such parts will be provided with orders to the very throat. Helicopters will be needed. And Kamov, and Miles ...

But there is a sphere that confuses me somewhat. This is the Navy. The need to build new ships is not just overdue. This is the first priority today. The Baltic, the Black Sea, the Pacific Ocean, the Arctic ... Wherever you throw, there's a wedge everywhere. Of course, we are trying to "squeeze" everything that can and cannot be done from the "Soviet" ships, but we understand that this is the limit. No matter how proud we were of the successful operation of "Admiral Kuznetsov," it is clear that he has long needed major repairs and modernization. And the cost of these activities is exorbitant.

From here, most likely, we should not wait for the laying of ships of a large displacement. The time of the Kuznetsovs has not yet come ... Light frigates, rocket boats, rocket corvettes, diesel submarines. Perhaps an underwater bomber or two ... And again, repairs, upgrades of ships already in service. Well, and new bases for the Navy ...

Today, many of our "partners" and "colleagues" would very much like to draw us into an arms race. Russia's independent foreign policy stands in the throat of many Western politicians. And the sanctions, which are constantly extended, serve precisely this. It is necessary not only to undermine the Russian economy, but also to make it work against the people. Make it spend huge amounts of money on defense.

However, if we analyze the situation today, it is clearly seen that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is well aware of this. Both the government and the president of Russia have calculated this option. I recall the long-time words of Putin about the necessary sufficiency of weapons. Said repeatedly, but never understood by many "sofa generals" in the West, and indeed in ours.

What Russia has today is enough to respond to any provocation. Enough! An increase in the number of weapons and equipment is simply not necessary. Today we need to create a fundamentally new weapon. On this, again, repeatedly, said Putin. Moreover, he said that such weapons already exist. At the level of the president of the country, these words mean a lot. And those who should have heard it, heard.

Panic, and even more sprinkle ashes on his head, there is no need. And patriotic "to tear the shirt on the chest" too. The army gets what is necessary, and engineers, designers and scientists develop what will be necessary tomorrow. We are ready for any exacerbation of the situation. We are ready today and, again, judging by the statements of the heads of the power ministries, we will be ready tomorrow. That rearmament program of the army, which we will soon be presented, is realistic. Namely, this is the main thing.

And the next Yaroslavna to cry about the weakness of our army is not necessary. The army has proved so many times that it knows how to fight, that it has something to fight, that it probably already has the right to send Yaroslavna to where we all came from in this world ...
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  2. +10
    26 May 2017 06: 44
    Another respect to Alexander Staver. Against the background of all the Weepers among the majority of reading and writing fraternities, He gives a real picture, and does not smooth out sharp corners
    1. +9
      26 May 2017 20: 03
      If he did not smooth out sharp corners, he would honestly admit that reducing the output of Armat to a miserable 20 cars instead of 100 per year is a serious problem. But not at all a triumph of insight, as he paints here. The worst part is that the new tanks are clamped in favor of the old junk. Seventy-two are not needed, they have outlived their own. I really do not like that just getting on board is enough to send the wreckage of the tower and crew on the last short flight. And yet, as far as I remember, electronics, the most important component of any military equipment, are all Soviet relics or currently blocked imports. And as in Korea, for firing a machine gun the commander leans out half-body from the tower, open to all bullets. Even with the controversy of the layout of Abrams, no less than the old tank, this is not there. Electronics, the best in the world, remotely controlled turret and kick-out panels give the crew a chance to survive the battle. And not like ours - designed for 5 minutes of life, tin cans and a crew of suicide bombers. We adhere to the same vicious tactics of the times of war - to shower dozens of thirty-fours with a single Panther.
      1. +17
        26 May 2017 21: 43
        The USSR had the most powerful modern army, so where is the USSR? Even thousands of Armats will not save Russia if there is no order within the country. They will sell it at the first opportunity, it would be a better offer. Chubais, however, have not disappeared; they are in power.
        1. +3
          28 May 2017 15: 16
          That's it. Personally, this bothers me more than a reduction in the release of "Almaty", which of course is also not good.
          The establishment of an elementary order in the economy and management will give many times more defense funds than the current reduction.
          Corruption and theft and ineffective management, that’s the main scourge, defeating it, or at least bringing it into an acceptable framework and money will be for everything and for defense and retirement and for child allowances and for health and education.
          But in this area, I do not see any success so far.
      2. +1
        26 May 2017 22: 43
        I subscribe to every word .. by the way, if only the tower flies, often the whole body tears to pieces like paper and the welded body flies at the seams to pieces .....
        1. 0
          28 May 2017 09: 11
          And this will not happen with armature ???))))
      3. +10
        27 May 2017 00: 21
        Please tell me a specific battle during the Second World War when our grandfathers "threw" a single panther TENS thirty fours. And if possible without common phrases.
        1. +1
          24 January 2018 10: 55
          Well, he is unlikely to name a specific battle, the figure was not taken from the ceiling, but from Wikipedia. T-34 produced 60 thousand units, panther -6000 units. here is your opponent and divided some into others and got the final figure.
    2. +5
      26 May 2017 21: 21
      Quote: Astarte
      Another respect to Alexander Staver. Against the background of all the Weepers among the majority of reading and writing fraternities, He gives a real picture, and does not smooth out sharp corners

      Well ...
      If you look at this text from the emotional side, it is quite suitable. Fiery speech smile
      If you look from the practical or, if you want, the technical side, then this is enchanting nonsense(crossed out) many of the author's statements raise a large number of questions.
      So many places hurt the eyes that I don’t even want to get into this jungle. Below, people already partially wrote about the fleet. The complete lack of understanding of what he writes, everything was mixed up, horses, people, tasks, goals, meaning ...
    3. 0
      29 May 2017 16: 33
      Dear Astart. All people here are adults and literate. We do not need to smooth the corners. We will understand. Tell me simply and bluntly - there is not enough money for everything. Especially in 2018. there will be presidential elections. We must leave money for the "small" spending on the electorate (what a beautiful rhyme turned out).
  3. +6
    26 May 2017 06: 46
    "Calm, gentlemen! The main thing is calm!"
    Carlson, who lives on the roof "
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  5. +5
    26 May 2017 07: 01
    Where, where, where ...

    And at the same time compulsory "but they have ... (usually in the United States)." I would like to answer this phrase in ..., i.e. send in the right direction.
    1. +2
      26 May 2017 14: 20
      hi Dear and honored person, and the direction you specify is not tolerant lol It should be specifically sent to NATU bully
      1. +1
        27 May 2017 02: 48
        hi I agree, not quite tolerant. Now I will send to NATU, tk. the place is identical. Thanks for the tip.
  6. +13
    26 May 2017 07: 56
    Dear, but where is all the same a real analysis of the situation? It is interesting from what perspectives or on the basis of what information does the author convince (and not correctly, declaring all those who disagree with the liberals and all the prowesses), but tell the author why the initial budget was larger, the generals were mistaken? Wanted to snatch money? You yourself understand the delusionality of these statements. Therefore, the author go to the Arctic
    1. +15
      26 May 2017 08: 29
      Quote: 31rus4
      But tell the author why the initial budget was larger, did the generals make a mistake? Did the General Staff want to snatch money?

      ======
      And what you DO NOT UNDERSTAND ???? Need to explain? Explain that the budget totaled up when oil prices exceeded $ 100 per barrel and the country literally "bathed" in the "oil" and "gas dollars" ?? That there was no need to “import substitute” something and build not only new plants, but in essence create NEW industries, but you could just buy the necessary components and materials “over the hill” and punching and poking and poking ..... Requiring "money, money and money again" !!!! And access to "cheap money" was covered up for a long time ....... So that not the author should "go to the Arctic", but rather you should - in the direction where the author "Yaroslav" directed ...
      1. +10
        26 May 2017 08: 40
        Initially, to be precise, the government planned for all these pleasures 55 trillions of rubles. after adjustment, for the reasons that colleague Venik said, the budget was cut to ... 14 trillions. Then they raised it to 20 ... As a result, on May 16 the figure in 17 trillions was announced. So, it is the principle of necessary sufficiency that underlies this decision ...
      2. +3
        26 May 2017 11: 59
        Just when the United States let oil float freely in the 2000s, revenues out of the blue rose 10 times. The only thing I can’t understand is, did they really think that this will always be so? Why didn’t you implement the needle removal plan?
      3. +4
        26 May 2017 15: 58
        Dear, not only do you understand this, but why then raise this topic at all? What about the T-50, what about the “Armata”, what about the new ships, what about the delivery dates, we are shifting everything, but you would like to be in your hands clapped?
      4. 0
        24 January 2018 11: 00
        Well, let's say not the whole country was "bathed in petrodollars," but only very separate representatives of it, who, on the problems of Russia's defense industry, should be ...
    2. +11
      26 May 2017 08: 51
      Quote: 31rus4
      But tell the author why the initial budget was larger, did the generals make a mistake? Did the General Staff want to snatch money?

      You give Lyoshenka Navalny a request, he will tell you specifically to the foreman of the company who how much he wanted to snatch and in which Western bank to put! Even the account number will give !!
      1. +4
        26 May 2017 09: 36
        great. naval! in preparation for the defense of the liberals must be transferred, and this also needs money
        1. +5
          26 May 2017 09: 44
          wink Great flyer!
          Quote: novel xnumx
          in preparation for the defense of the liberals, it’s necessary to convey

          Roma, well, one hundred pounds you are not tolerant! Either you want to strangle liberalists, then Kiev pi ... damn it, you don't like gays! In Kolyma, the floods demolish bridges and floods the roads, it’s a lot of work! Happy Birthday drinks
          1. +2
            26 May 2017 09: 45
            early but thanks!
            1. +2
              26 May 2017 09: 54
              Quote: novel xnumx
              early but thanks!

              recourse I always knew that you can’t trust the flyers. but still fiddled ..
              romance66 Today, 09:26 ↑
              is it my birthday? nothing sacred from these
              ...
              1. +2
                26 May 2017 09: 55
                it is written: on June 18th! oh, boatswain ...
                1. +3
                  26 May 2017 10: 18
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  it is written: on June 18th!

                  belay Nih ... yourself! Roma, you gorgeous live! bully If it `s not a secret. how much did the Kiev show cost at your banquet!
                  1. +2
                    26 May 2017 10: 21
                    it’s good to joke, how can I drink vodka when somewhere these shake ... these
                    1. +2
                      26 May 2017 10: 31
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      good to jib

                      Not once Roma, did not even think!
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      how can I drink vodka when somewhere these shake ... these

                      Well, I don’t know, I don’t know! After the 4th glass there is always no courage laughing Dnyuha as a wedding without massacre money down the drain! wink With the coming down drinks , no offense. I have a playful mood today (ZP day and Friday lol )
                      1. +2
                        26 May 2017 10: 36
                        what insults? everyone has Friday (but there’s no salary, well, there’s enough for the bubble!), we walk until it gets colder!
        2. +2
          26 May 2017 10: 46
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and this also needs money

          By the way, Roma, money is not needed for this. One has only to whisper to Navalny that Kasyanov has skhed part of the Khodorkovsky tranche, to Kasyanov to write an animka about the fact that Gozman had relations with Trefft through his head so they will destroy themselves, the same thing should be done in the government! how did Shakespeare say that? there is no story sadder in the world. than the story of politicians and their credit! crying
          1. +2
            26 May 2017 10: 49
            had intercourse over your head? you are the navymen
            1. +2
              26 May 2017 10: 51
              Quote: novel xnumx
              you are the navymen

              laughing Do not you know through what in the army the appendix is ​​cut out?
              1. +2
                26 May 2017 10: 53
                in fact, I myself participated in such operations
      2. 0
        26 May 2017 14: 22
        Quote: Serg65
        You give Leshenka Navalny a request,

        wassat That's because ... Dear man, he gives such advice. Lech now has problems full of bloomers ... Serious people filed lawsuits. May these very recent harem pants be taken away. Yes, and in kaku muzzle poke bully
        1. +2
          26 May 2017 14: 49
          Quote: domokl
          Dear man, he gives such advice

          Experience is the son of difficult mistakes! Lyoshenka is no stranger, mentors will help, pick up and wash bully Yesterday, on Sputnik radio, I listened to battles between the elder Gudkov and Avigdor Eskin. It's cool when a former dissident teaches the mind of a former KGB colonel! wassat
        2. 0
          26 May 2017 14: 51
          But the point is, Navalny has a maximum fine for libel and correctional labor is shining, but if he has some evidence of evidence on Usmanov’s bosom, then the case will turn out badly for the latter.
      3. 0
        26 May 2017 15: 59
        Dear, specifically, what is?
    3. 0
      26 May 2017 20: 29
      Quote: 31rus4
      But tell the author why the initial budget was larger, did the generals make a mistake? Did the General Staff want to snatch money?

      Because there is always not enough money. The military wants to get the maximum. This is normal. But state resources are limited - this is also normal. The question is whether they will receive enough to provide, if not everything, then most of what is required.
    4. 0
      27 May 2017 11: 22
      Quote: 31rus4
      and tell the author why the initial budget was larger, did the generals make a mistake? The General Staff wanted to snatch money


      Yes, the budget for the new State rearmament program is not so cut down ... Somewhere around 3 trillion ... But if we look at the number of years of the current and future State programs, then - I repeat - not so much and cut the appropriations .. .
    5. 0
      30 May 2017 12: 58
      31rus4, you will not believe, a real analysis of the situation in the General Staff and the corresponding units.
  7. +7
    26 May 2017 08: 01
    There are rarely articles on this site with a sober approach to the country's economy, most adhere to the point of view that the Nazis are on the border and that all production should be transported to the Urals and riveted armatures with thousands and poplar hundreds so that "the whole world is in ruin." In our country, with respect to GDP, the military budget is almost the largest, and the author wrote correctly, the imposition of an arms race by the West is one of the methods to destroy our economy.
    1. +3
      26 May 2017 08: 27
      From 1941 to 1945, and then another 20 years after the war, when a huge country tore the veins in order to win and then rebuild the country, how many% of the country's population said that Stalin was wrong and this was destroying the economy? No one is right because an intelligent person always prioritizes between being hungry or dead.
      1. +4
        26 May 2017 08: 37
        Quote: Grukhin
        Homo sapiens always prioritizes between being hungry or dead.

        How about dying of hunger? Does a warrior have three swords? Or is it enough one and a shield? Reasonableness in quantity does not affect quality in any way.
        1. +6
          26 May 2017 09: 37
          Well. a spare is also necessary, at least one for two
  8. 0
    26 May 2017 08: 45
    Taschemta, no land component will solve the main task - to ensure the absolute prevention of direct war with any of any of the top ten. Nobody needs a victory in such a war. Or have you forgotten the 41st?


    Peacekeeping is now possible only with the complete absence of doubts about the full-scale use of WMD against any agent.

    As for the showdown with any small riffraff like Bandera or igil - 20 trillion for this is completely unnecessary. That, in general, Crimea or Syria showed.
  9. 0
    26 May 2017 09: 04
    No panic, not long left, in June we will listen to what will be accepted there.
  10. +2
    26 May 2017 09: 08
    While reading, I understood. The author is indicated by Staver, but Rogozin wrote.
    1. +4
      26 May 2017 09: 25
      Quote: Curious
      but Rogozin wrote.

      Nah, don't get it! Putin wrote it, PUTIN !!!
      1. +3
        26 May 2017 09: 38
        don't get excited it's good to shoot
        1. +3
          26 May 2017 09: 51
          Quote: novel xnumx
          don't get excited it's good to shoot

          Roma, but I’m not firing! On the sidelines of the NATO summit, Lavrov talked about Putin’s authorship with Ivanka, a Polish plumber repairing a urinal at that time and unwittingly hearing it (or maybe not only this?) Already tweeted! bully
          1. +2
            26 May 2017 09: 53
            this is a special operation! I hope the participants are awarded?
            1. +2
              26 May 2017 10: 34
              Quote: novel xnumx
              I hope the participants are awarded?

              And then! Plumbing Star Hero and Promotion soldier
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    2. +4
      26 May 2017 09: 52
      I personally saw how Putin broadcast an article on VO at night ... lol And Rogozin was standing nearby ... on a schucher probably .. I wonder how you managed to figure out the author so quickly ... Sherlock Holmes? what
  11. +2
    26 May 2017 10: 45
    In principle, everything is true, I will omit some nuances, but in general the article is objective.
    1. 0
      26 May 2017 14: 24
      smile So the nuances are the whole point. So do not desert from the information front. Smart listen, learn, fool, get proud ....
  12. +2
    26 May 2017 10: 48
    novel66,
    Quote: novel xnumx
    we walk until it gets colder!

    Not Roma, I won’t drink so much, it will get colder with us only at the end of November!
  13. +4
    26 May 2017 10: 57
    ... And the higher the position, the more often you have to listen to such a "face" ...

    ... The budget is reduced by 3 trillion rubles ...

    From Russia, the average outflow of capital is 100 billion greens per year ...
    Those. 5 trillion rubles at about the current rate.
    Where is Yaroslavna giving birth then?

    https://moluch.ru/conf/econ/archive/133/7709/
    Where is Armata? They promised to transfer the entire army to new tanks ... Where is the Kurganets? Where are the promising aircraft? Where, where, where ...

    Where ... Where ... Where the author of all sends on behalf of the army ...

    http://pikabu.ru/story/putin_nagradil_vekselberga
    _mordashova_i_usmanova_za_blagotvoritelnost_42684
    87
  14. BAI
    +2
    26 May 2017 11: 07
    70% provided with the latest weapons

    You can count in different ways. 70% in pieces or of the total cost? In general, 70% of new machine guns are not 70% of new ships or aircraft. What is the criterion for achieving these 70%?
    1. +1
      26 May 2017 21: 28
      Nothing counts. What happens will be called 70%.
      There would be 2300 Armats, frigates, Kurgan, PAK FA and further down the list - that would be 70%.
      Now 70% will be T-72B3 tanks, some auxiliary fleet, heels of corvettes and 10 RTOs.
  15. 0
    26 May 2017 13: 36
    It seems to me that the author does not understand the main point. These are the goals of creating an army. And he sees only one. Defense in an attack directly on the Russian Federation. But the army not only exists for this. There is also the task of projecting power anywhere in the world to defend one’s interests. How is this happening in Syria, for example. Because it’s better not to fight on your own, but on someone else’s territory. It is for this task that ships are needed. It is these opportunities that will be reduced due to a smaller budget.
    GPN 2025 will be more focused on ground forces, it is in their favor that the budget is redistributed. Why was such a decision taken to the detriment of the airborne forces, strategic missile forces and the navy? But at the same time, even Armata is cut in quantity? What is our key lag behind the Americans on land? Perhaps, at last, they decided to launch the Constellation control system?
    1. +1
      26 May 2017 14: 10
      Interestingly, why did you decide that the author does not see this? In my opinion, on the contrary, he expresses concern about the impossibility of laying new ships of serious classes ... And about the airborne forces, missile defense, and strategic missile forces it is not entirely clear ... Where did you read this?
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    1. +3
      26 May 2017 14: 07
      Quote from rudolf
      Who does not agree, everything is in the garden! To the garden!

      hi Hello old man! Are you worried? Do you remember youth? Oh there were times !!! Flares, white nights, girls on the Admiralty ..... eh !!!!! Rudolf. the fleet will still be! Well, no way without it! Another thing is what it will be, but it will be! drinks
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    2. 0
      26 May 2017 14: 15
      sad Fu, it’s not beautiful ... Even with some vonism ... Did Putin say that? Ay yai yay ... Putin said that "the share of modern weapons ..." should reach ... I wonder why you are distorting? In order to show your awareness or to show that you think everyone else is not particularly smart (a normal word does not skip the censor)?
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  18. 0
    26 May 2017 15: 41
    What an article is not tolerant! Not a lot of commentators, not a lot! lol
  19. +3
    26 May 2017 16: 24
    No matter how proud we are of the successful operation of Admiral Kuznetsov, it is clear that he has long needed major repairs and modernization. And the cost of these activities is prohibitive.
    Successful ?! lost two aircraft, with incomprehensible results
    From here, most likely, we should not wait for the laying of ships of a large displacement. The time of the Kuznetsovs has not yet come ... Light frigates, rocket boats, rocket corvettes, diesel submarines. Perhaps an underwater bomber or two ... And again, repairs, upgrades of ships already in service. Well, and new bases for the Navy ...
    What kind of light frigates and missile boats? I do not know such a classification in ships under construction. Diesel submarines, in addition to the already old Varshavyanks, cannot be present in the program, due to the lack of relevant projects ... but the SSBN and PLARK always gave priority, even in the 90s, because this is a real deterrence of a potential enemy, and even of such proportions as NATO or there Japan, with China - unlike the ground forces ... and for example, at the UDC by 2022 Borisov promised the other day, a ship of rank 1 by the way ...
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  20. +3
    26 May 2017 17: 00
    "...So, Russia today is forced to confront NATO. Why this is happening is not the topic of today's conversation. Take the confrontation for granted. Almost 150 millionth Russia is opposed to almost 500 millionth Europe. How much does “Russian face” turn out for every Russian? And I repeat, this is only on the western borders. But you can "hit" harder. Remember the economy of the Russian Federation and the EU ... "

    Dear, NATO is first of all the USA, and then Europe. Plus, Staver, to 500 million more, at least 000 million Americans, with their army, navy, economy and ...
    That's about And in more detail ... Either you forgot, or are embarrassed to say, but you won’t get away from the facts. In 1991, the USSR lost to the ХV NATO, represented by the United States. Whoever has not seen the congressional medal, on this far from joyful occasion for us, admire. Naglia squeezed the same medal.
    Now, what does this fact mean for Russia-Russia, for you and our armed forces today.
    For us, this fact turned into a seizure of the economy and, above all, finance.
    The winners of “our” finances are managed through the management of “our” Central Bank, through the control over the issue of “our” ruble and the discount credit rate, which is specially made unbearable for “our” offshore business. Which, as a result of such a credit policy of the Central Bank, is one road, over a hill, offshore, for a cheap loan. As a result, 90% of Russian business is registered over a hill in London. Take an interest in how many such “our” enterprises and defense industry companies are registered in offshore companies.
    Moreover, in all ministries, corporations and ... banks of the Russian Federation, brazen Sak advisers have been planted, that is, employees of eminent American and English consulting companies, who are not sitting somewhere, but including the military-industrial complex, and "admitted ... "to classified information. All financial flows are monitored, controlled and regulated ..! The whole question, by whom and in whose interests?
    Staver, you understand why the timing of launching our ships is shifted to the right, why the budget is reduced by three trillion, etc. etc.
    If you understand, continue and write a Traveling Article .., and together we read it with benefit for the mind and heart.
    See at the root, dear. Yaroslavna is crying because Prince Igor is in captivity, and many of this captivity do not see him point blank.
  21. +6
    26 May 2017 17: 12
    Since I am in a good mood today, I decided to make a small translation of the article from Newspeak.
    The "dear" couch "general, I, the author of this article, has soared your brains with" state "propaganda for so many years about how" Almaty "will immediately hit three" Abrams "from the first shot, as the" T-50 "will fly in 2015, no in 2017, no in 2018, no at 20 .. that you (the reader of the resource) believed that we (Russia) are all very “cool” and “Mattresses”, and all “NATO” are left-handed. But here, suddenly, the West took up arms against us and lowered the price of oil! Naturally, there was less money, and we received an “order” to explain to you on “newspeak” that nothing bad had happened. It turns out that “letters in the name of the technology” are also very important, and in general our equipment, even in the 70s, will “dunk everyone” in the toilet, so don’t sound the alarm little money, but the vile “west” cannot drag us into the “arms race” and don't ruin it! angrySo said Putin !. So the installation has changed. Now the slogan and the T-72 with "letters" will beat 2 "Abrams". And in general, "believe in the party and government" !!!
    Now a little criticism of propaganda from the humble "couch" journalist. The author forgot to mention that Abrams itself was from the 70s and so on.
    Now to the bottom of the question!
    In the face of declining funding, we need air reform of our design bureaus, factories, and army in order to increase the efficiency of spending public funds. Notice I am not talking about corruption and “shooting everyone”, but about studying “NOT”, logistics, studying production technologies. Where to get such specialists, I don’t know request but I'm not in the government.
    From my own experience I know that money now, as well as in the USA, is spent extremely inefficiently, including because of the army lobby.
    P.S. Thinner propagandists must work thinner. You can delete my comment laughing
    1. 0
      26 May 2017 19: 26
      Why delete your comment? It is an interesting point of view, which deserves to be. Only the author is not a couch general. he did not reach the general fellow And I started writing not so long ago laughing
      And in the text, I'm sorry, but you wrote almost nothing on the topic ... So, verbiage on a free topic ... From the cycle "Everything was lost and everything was sold"
      1. +2
        26 May 2017 20: 45
        Quote: domokl
        And in the text, I'm sorry, but you wrote almost nothing on the topic ... So, verbiage on a free topic ... From the cycle "Everything was lost and everything was sold"

        Sorry, I wrote a little messy, but I do not think that "Everything was lost and everything was sold."
        I wanted to say that even with a cut in the military budget, it’s necessary not to cry, but to reduce the inefficient use of funds. From my personal experience I know that in KB, factories, people are sitting who work on documents and get more than engineers without any production knowledge. How is that? Acquaintance and mutual responsibility (including military). Here they can be "optimized" for example. But the howl in the media will rise from their journalists, they are lured, strong of course.
        And if you find (I don’t know where recourse ) specialists in NOT, logistics, technologists and other specialists and put them instead of “paper marach”, then I think there will be enough money for much more than “letters”
        1. 0
          27 May 2017 04: 40
          I won’t even argue. About the effectiveness of the use of funds. I, at least, have not yet seen that funds are always used effectively.
          We always want everything at once. It is clear that re-equipping the army is immediately the dream of almost any military. But, we must proceed from the fact that our budget is not rubber. Yes, and sanctions, no matter how hard the TV is telling us, make themselves felt. Hence the need to "push" desires. This happens almost everywhere, alas. Talk about something else. The conversation is that rearmament of the army, we need not to lose the level of combat readiness at which we can respond to the blow ... And here we can not do without modernization of old equipment.
          And for some reason, colleagues forget that the enemy doesn’t have very modern weapons and equipment.
          But in general, everyone pulls a blanket over himself. And it is right. A kind of professional patriotism smile fellow
    2. 0
      30 May 2017 13: 14
      What is the argument about? External and internal economic conditions have changed, you need to adjust the budget somehow, there is a lot of mess with embezzlement, And where is the propaganda here and what is it propagated for? Probably a respectable word, panicked.
  22. +1
    26 May 2017 18: 06
    It is necessary to strengthen the ground component of the army. Primarily. The presence of a strong land army, the possibility of its quick transfer to any region will give a real guarantee of the country's security.

    If about real guaranteesthen in modern conditions strong ground troops (as well as strong airborne forces) cannot be as such, or rather, they are nothing without an aviation component of the aircraft and comprehensive aviation support. It is precisely because of the scale of the state (with the Arctic and Arctic regions), along with the land component, that it would be worthwhile to stake on the development of the aerospace forces, including the increase in the number of AWACS, RTR reconnaissance aircraft, tankers, and not only as part of long-range aviation . And all this against the background of improving the aerodrome infrastructure of the aerospace forces. Aviation is the strike base of the RBU, as their naval forces, of course, are more focused on overseas theater.
    Enough 5-6 dozen cars.

    Since when did the Soviet Tu-160 go into the tens? The current state is 15-16 boards. Apparently confused with the Tu-22M.
    More recently, shock units and units appeared in the Russian army.

    There. With the simple renaming of land units as percussion units, their percussion capabilities will not increase, nor will they be lost (empty lesson).
    1. 0
      26 May 2017 19: 23
      It is planned to upgrade and build new 1602m exactly in the number of 50-60 units. You do not take into account the new district-north ... Although, with the development of the airfield network, I agree that modernized 22's would be enough ...
  23. 0
    26 May 2017 19: 35
    Below Roman66 offers the librarians to pin down. The thing is necessary, but complicated - they have already divorced a lot. A few examples: 5.05.17/XNUMX/XNUMX, the queue in Ryegas, most of the retirement age. A man speaks: Return Crimea, still we won’t go there (money and health), but it’s better for young people in Turkey (grandson has been traveling for two years) to send Syria to the forest: the military has grown fat because of it. And then it will be good to the people. And for the complete happiness of Kasyan to the Kremlin. And many support it.
    2 example: 10 05 in the square, the mother (about 35l.) Tells her son: our government is "stupid", in order to amuse the elderly, they arrange a "clowning" with red banners. And how many billions are spent on them! If you stop getting rich right away
    Example 3 Today 6 a minibus driver (already in years) says that we have everything through one place. It is necessary to cancel the parades: since there is no Union, it means that all Soviet holidays must be banned. The Germans were specially removed: the people would have supported him in the elections, etc. And in 1 and 3 cases refer to Anal
  24. 0
    26 May 2017 19: 50
    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: novel xnumx
    don't get excited it's good to shoot

    Roma, but I’m not firing! On the sidelines of the NATO summit, Lavrov talked about Putin’s authorship with Ivanka, a Polish plumber repairing a urinal at that time and unwittingly hearing it (or maybe not only this?) Already tweeted! bully

    With what are the sidelines on the sidelines? When was it that Lavrov and the lady? Dodged the toilet and in the presence of a Pole-sartekhniks
  25. 0
    26 May 2017 21: 20
    VKS destroyed the convoy of 30-40 units of equipment. looks like pickups. Two ofabs were enough. Apparently, the barmaleis tried to throw the column somewhere at night,
    but they were tracked and banged.
  26. +2
    26 May 2017 22: 07
    The esteemed A. Staver hung the drum around his neck, and walked from the taiga to the seas, sending greetings to the defense industry in the form of a three-shift modernization of the T-72 and other army iron. Only here is the hitch, how far will we lag behind Nata in such a situation? recourse
    1. 0
      27 May 2017 04: 46
      And how much? There is no money, but we are holding on. The conversation is not about lagging, although there is something to argue about, the conversation is that in the context of budget cuts (for all items of expenditure), the army and the defense industry will be forced to engage in modernization. Who will argue that the new is better than the old. And if they don’t give money for a new one, and the enemy is not particularly talerant?
      By the way, most of NATO’s equipment and weapons are quite comparable in terms of production and operation with our weapons.
      1. +2
        27 May 2017 11: 24
        Quote: domokl
        Who will argue that the new is better than the old. And if they don’t give money for a new one, and the enemy is not particularly talerant?

        But it is also impossible to upgrade endlessly.
  27. +4
    27 May 2017 09: 22
    Yes, everything is in a bundle. Only we have not enough “strategists” of underwater ones. Just 9. Well, there will be 13. I want 130. But in my country the Wishlist is still small ... crying
  28. 0
    27 May 2017 14: 11
    I agree that we don’t have to tear shirts or navels, our partners count on this. How to understand the phrase ,, reasonable sufficiency ,,? Let’s say, to lay in the waters of the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean on the traverse of the US coast a dozen products under the pseudonym ,, Kuzkina Mother ,, at least megatons so under 100 each at a depth of 2000m and then speculate about a reasonable sufficiency of such a measure or increase the tonnage to 200 megatons, and a depth of up to 4000m, and it’s necessary to spend it on Armata, a new strategic air carrier, aircraft carriers, etc., etc.
  29. +1
    28 May 2017 15: 31
    Quote: Astarte
    It gives a real picture, and does not smooth sharp corners

    "they will not be able to fight on equal terms in Western tanks. And at the same time, most are happy to see examples of such a confrontation in a real war in Syria"
    And what about tank dueling going on in Syria? Abrams against the T-90? There is even no counteraction to aviation as such.
    The fact that the army isn’t enough to inflate any means is true. So the ground forces are in the first place too. Our kings understood this in 1915.
    Quote: Basarev
    I really don’t like that just getting on board is enough to send the wreckage of the tower and crew on the last short flight

    Put active protection and upgrade the passive one. And then, try not to get on board. By the way, Abrams also has a weaker forehead. As for 100 Armats a year, then another plant needs to be built, one Uralvagon will not cope
  30. 0
    28 May 2017 15: 59
    Quote: aiden
    but they were tracked and banged.

    There was news that the Kurds released the Basmachis on Palmyra, maybe this is Moget
  31. 0
    28 May 2017 16: 01
    Quote: aiden
    VKS destroyed the convoy of 30-40 units of equipment. like pickups

    They are like cockroaches
    I am glad that drones began to use
  32. 0
    28 May 2017 17: 12
    Quote: freddyk
    The USSR had the most powerful modern army, so where is the USSR? Even thousands of Armats will not save Russia if there is no order within the country. They will sell it at the first opportunity, it would be a better offer. Chubais, however, have not disappeared; they are in power.

    ..very many years ago I read about a tank in Chechnya that was controlled remotely - from Moscow - apparently the development began well a long time ago ... If there is no crew, then there are other requirements for the tank .. Anahreon armature can produce a cue cloud .., you can * drones * turn a bunch of old tanks ... well, it’s not like scrapping them, tank ambushes within one’s territory are one thing and a breakthrough technique is another thing ... Old men were snipers and they fought very well ...
  33. +1
    28 May 2017 18: 06
    That program of rearmament of the army, which will soon be presented to us, is realistic. And this is the main thing.

    in the armament of the army, the main thing is not realism, but sufficiency in confronting the enemy in a modern war.
    And one main thing that I noticed. In Russia, armament, the power of the army is directly related to the sovereignty of state power.
    The weaker the army, the more actively our government licks the ass of the West and breaks the forelocks (introduces laws, requisitions) to the lackeys (us) on their orders.

    The money that we will save on the defense industry will either be stolen by officials or used to support the United States (the Central Bank will buy American securities).

    In modern warfare there is no time for the production of weapons and with what military potential (the presence of weapons in warehouses and in the troops) we will approach those and have to fight.
  34. 0
    29 May 2017 00: 06
    Without a strong army of Russia can not survive. But the main threat inside the country is hucksters and their henchmen in power. Everyone knows who it is. No way Lesha Oval, which is in sight. The fact that an external threat is real is understandable. But it is more real for the country as a whole and for the common people, and not for the hucksters who rule the country through the Guarantor and iPhone. In Russia, if anyone remembers, there was also unearthly love with “partners” during the years of the so-called perestroika and in the 90s. It’s just that our hucksters realized over time that Western “partners” and “colleagues” would not accept them in their closed elite non-slave strawberry and, on occasion, could take away their back-breaking labor. Therefore, the hucksters were forced to play a card of patriotism and an external threat. That’s the whole secret of the heyday of official patriotism in the “new” Russia. And ordinary people in Russia have their own patriotism, the most ordinary, not ostentatious.
    1. +1
      29 May 2017 17: 53
      Dear, the money that will not go to the defense industry will go to no where, this is the whole point
      1. 0
        4 February 2018 20: 17
        Not in nowhere but in specific pockets.
  35. +3
    30 May 2017 13: 26
    Quote: KKND
    Now to the bottom of the question!
    In the face of declining funding, we need air reform of our design bureaus, factories, and army in order to increase the efficiency of spending public funds. Notice I am not talking about corruption and “shooting everyone”, but about studying “NOT”, logistics, studying production technologies. I don’t know where to get such specialists, but I’m not in the government either.

    I completely agree! I have been struggling with this offer for over a year now! Everyone agrees that, yes they say, the problem is cross-industry, but they refer that there is no such line in the plans, and therefore there is no Customer!
    I hope that somehow, in different ways we will bring our proposals to the attention of the management ... My article on the military-industrial complex is being prepared on this topic. Will be called: Do I need to reinvent the wheel? (If the editors do not make changes). As I understand it on the forums, most understand that in the field of organization and production, and design, qualitative changes are necessary, but so far ..
  36. 0
    4 February 2018 20: 16
    Chef Usy disappeared around enemies AAAAAAA
  37. 0
    22 February 2018 11: 18
    But the defense budget is then reduced! So the question is why?
  38. 0
    8 March 2018 16: 58
    The budget is reduced by 3 trillion rubles. From 20 to 17 trillion. Agree, the money is huge.

    Money is scanty, there’s nothing to talk about.
    Our brain is interesting. A promising aircraft has appeared. So what? We already perceive our Sukhoi, MiG, Tupolev and other Miles and Kamovs already in service as obsolete weapons.

    Our entire fleet is divided into 2 parts - the one that remains from the USSR (completely outdated, with the exception of strategists) and what we built ourselves, but what we built ourselves is a miserable quantity. Therefore, if it seems to the author that we have somewhere the Su, MiG mountains and so on - let him read something before writing articles
  39. 0
    11 March 2018 18: 04
    In fact, 4,5% of the army is the budget of a warring country. The normal level for peacetime is considered to be 2-2,5%.
  40. 0
    24 March 2018 19: 02
    And the next Yaroslavna to cry about the weakness of our army is not necessary. The army has proved so many times that it knows how to fight, that it has something to fight, that it probably already has the right to send Yaroslavna to where we all came from in this world ...
    I don’t see a logical connection between the ability of our Armed Forces to fight (whoever doubts), and the real capabilities of our current defense industry in the serial production of many types of military equipment, as well as ammunition, including high-precision ammunition, sufficient for long-term military operations! hi

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