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Poland chooses new submarines

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As the TSAMTO, in the period from 18 to 19 in May, the Deputy Minister of National Defense of Poland Bartosz Kovnatski visited Germany and Sweden, timed to prepare for the implementation of the procurement program for new submarines for the country's Navy.

Poland also attended representatives from the Department of Arms Policy, the Arms Inspectorate, the General Staff and the Polish armory groups ”(PGZ). Germany and Norway were represented by Major General Benedikt Zimmer, Head of the German Ministry of Defense for Arms, Information Technology and Maintenance, and Norwegian Deputy Secretary General of the Defense Ministry and National Arms Director Morten Tiller.

During the meeting, B. Kovnatsky indicated that Poland plans to decide in the coming weeks on the choice of supplier of new submarines. In this case, preference will be given to the applicant, who will ensure participation in the project of Polish industry and the implementation of compensation agreements.

May 19 B. Kovnatski arrived at the Swedish company in Karlskrona, where he got acquainted with the proposal for the supply of new type of submarines, in particular AH-26, and capabilities in the development and construction of submarines.

Poland chooses new submarines

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According to the “Plan of Technical Modernization of the Aircraft Fleet of the Republic of Poland and the Concept of the Development of the Naval Forces . It is expected that the first two NNSs should be operational before the 2030 year, and the third - before the 2021 year. The cost of the potential transaction will be tentatively 2022 billion zlotys (2030 billion dollars). Possible suppliers are the Swedish company Saab (Saab), the German ThyssenKrupp Marine System and the French DCNS.
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  1. pjastolov
    pjastolov 23 May 2017 09: 39
    +9
    Well now, everything, there is one horror around, but the question is - there are no birches at the bottom of the sea, what will they be broken about? wassat
    1. matak4b
      matak4b 23 May 2017 09: 41
      +2
      I think the Poles will take 212 or 214 projects as a result of the boat. There is no reasonable alternative.
      1. Kudrevkn
        Kudrevkn 23 May 2017 09: 44
        +1
        Swedish will be better. although more expensive ?!
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 23 May 2017 10: 19
          +5
          Quote: KudrevKN
          Swedish will be better. although more expensive ?!


          the better ... they still haven’t caught a single boat of ours ... they’re chasing, they are screaming .. but they’re not like ... not .. the Swedes don’t roll ..
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 23 May 2017 18: 14
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            Quote: KudrevKN
            Swedish will be better

            the better ...

            How what? What about comfort? And the rest rooms? What about a solarium? Finally, double cabins for a complete intimate crew rest? True, the sailors grumble that there is no swimming pool. But it’s they who find fault, yes.
      2. pjastolov
        pjastolov 23 May 2017 09: 44
        +7
        Probably yes. everything rests on money and on the military doctrine of poland hi
      3. n0001
        n0001 23 May 2017 12: 04
        0
        If the United States sales of Tomahawk, A26 has a better chance. http://www.defensenews.com/articles/saab-a26-
        submarine-gets-vertical-launched-tomahawks
      4. yuriy55
        yuriy55 23 May 2017 16: 07
        +1
        Quote: matak4b
        There is no reasonable alternative.

        How not? And here:
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 23 May 2017 09: 46
      +5
      Let the Poles remember the Gdansk Shipyard and much that they had. Amen! They were armed before the Second World War, so what? The armies of large neighbors stomped their boots across Poland a couple of times, as if they were in a stranger’s bedroom in the entrance room, leaving them with their own minuteness laughing
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 23 May 2017 09: 58
        +1
        But why does Poland need a fleet?
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 23 May 2017 10: 00
          0
          Yes, in order to capture the Crimea. laughing Poland without him, it seems, does not! It is hoped that the Big Bully behind him will help. You look, and the Polish tobacco will drop the bone.laughing
        2. dauria
          dauria 23 May 2017 10: 15
          +4
          But why does Poland need a fleet?


          Yes, they do not need nafig, but the order came. Remember in the USSR - to bananas in a load of sprats in tomato sauce. For the Baltic and German 214 and the Swedes are too big. The North Sea and the English straits from the north — the Poles have to pay for the strengthening of NATO. And no one will give them a "stick" to the production of boats, not for that lackeys. It was during the CMEA that they did helicopters, both ships and computers. Now apples and a “kulubnik” in his garden.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 May 2017 10: 40
            0
            “Nobody will give them a chance to join the boat production,” ///

            Poles, most military orders make assembly and / or
            the production of modules / parts was on their territory.
            Provide jobs and learn new technologies.
            Take a good example from the Indians
            1. Kurasava
              Kurasava 23 May 2017 16: 30
              0
              Poles, most military orders make assembly and / or
              the production of modules / parts was on their territory.
              Not true. It's not like that at all. There is nowhere to produce more, nothing big, nobody will give them any opportunity for parts for Leo2 or F-16, and they don’t have money for that. They’re picking on trifles, they said they would try to create their own tank, but they themselves say that they don’t have their resources for this, they need help and where to get it and who will help create a potential competitor, even if ...... it’s like with Lavi will be forced to buy ready-made. Poland is not a subject but an object, so ........
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 23 May 2017 10: 17
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          But why does Poland need a fleet?


          why is it ... the Russians will see all this power .. and they won’t come .. the Poles need to push the thought about the launch site as well ..
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 23 May 2017 14: 33
            0
            I would completely demilitarize the Poles. While the country does not have a decent standard of living and a scientific and technical base proportionate - it is unworthy to own an army and go into space. Everything according to Marx: the primacy of the economic basis over the ideological superstructure. In this sense, the army and outer space are just part of the superstructure: there is no applied everyday benefit to each of the citizens from them. The vast majority of citizens know about them only on television, and indeed the boast of their success is one of the most important components of propaganda. In general, if we further develop the teachings of Marx, it is easy to come to the conclusion that a parasitic superstructure is not needed. People must have free will and action.
            1. karish
              karish 23 May 2017 14: 38
              +5
              Quote: Basarev
              I would completely demilitarize the Poles. While the country does not have a decent standard of living and a scientific and technical base proportionate - it is unworthy to own an army and go into space

              Well, actually the standard of living in Poland is much higher than in Russia
              30% more precisely
              Quote: Basarev
              In this sense, the army and the cosmos are just part of the superstructure: there is no applied everyday benefit to each of the citizens

              And then what to say about S. Korea?
              there per capita GDP is only 26 times lower than in poland
              Quote: Basarev
              . In general, if you develop the teachings of Marx further

              no need to develop the teachings of Marx - enough have developed. what is enough. Much more
              Quote: Basarev
              People must have free will and actions

              But in this I agree - the truth is within the framework of the law and without prejudice to the human right to freedom of speech.
              1. Kurasava
                Kurasava 23 May 2017 16: 51
                +3
                Well, actually the standard of living in Poland is much higher than in Russia
                30% more precisely
                Well, actually not. It is a pity that the Poles are not aware that they are soooo good. Although I’ll tell them right today. As I understand it, you are comparing the average RFP, then you need to compare prices and, in general, there are still a lot of different other factors. Taxes and so on.
                no need to develop the teachings of Marx - enough have developed. what is enough. Much more
                only one who can’t read Marx at all can write like this, from the series, he didn’t read but condemn. This is a titanic, serious economic work, internationally recognized by capitalist economists as universally valid, it’s another thing that they don’t want to live like that, and thanks to this work they know how to counter and preserve the power of capital. But Marx still needs to develop this basic foundation and the more people who know Marx, the better the general situation of the working people in the world, including EretzIsrael, will be, the workers (trade unions) in the port of Ashdod and Haifa will even work for themselves according to Marx and their no offense is given, so yes it is necessary to develop and still in front of the kapara 100 times at you hi
        4. vik669
          vik669 24 May 2017 18: 05
          +1
          Poland from sea to sea - the implementation of the Pilsudski covenants in the twenty-first century
  2. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 23 May 2017 09: 39
    +3
    against whom are we arming ourselves? Against the Russians?
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 23 May 2017 10: 00
      +4
      against whom are we arming ourselves? Again against Russianx No. Against the Russians.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 23 May 2017 10: 09
      +1
      Not in everything the USA should provide NATO? And where would the Poles jerk without them? Jackals are proud birds! laughing
      1. pjastolov
        pjastolov 23 May 2017 10: 29
        +7
        jackals are canids, and vultures are proud birds wassat
  3. vorobey
    vorobey 23 May 2017 09: 39
    +2
    Well. well .. the good news ... the main thing is not to be mistaken with the choice ... the Polish submarine fleet will definitely hold back Russian tanks ..
    1. pjastolov
      pjastolov 23 May 2017 09: 45
      +8
      Invisible tanks, you forgot to specify laughing
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    1. Cutter
      Cutter 23 May 2017 09: 44
      +7
      No, they will take the WARSHIENDS! Patriots, damn it, warriors, damn it!
  5. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 23 May 2017 09: 44
    +6
    A question for submariners about the picture in the article - do submarines often lie on the ground? The picture is SAND, and if the bottom is different?
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 23 May 2017 10: 05
      +4
      Quote: Okolotochny
      The picture is SAND, and if the bottom is different?

      Then they will “fall” differently! laughing
  6. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 23 May 2017 09: 54
    +1
    Poland is the mistress of the seas. the truth is only in the unrealizable dreams of gonoshoshnyh gentlemen, but these are trifles
    1. pjastolov
      pjastolov 23 May 2017 09: 56
      +9
      Commonwealth speech from sea to sea? like already passed, or rather passed through them laughing
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 May 2017 09: 58
    +2
    Absolutely bad. Why do they need as many as three submarines in the shallow Baltic? Deter Russian tanks near Warsaw?
  8. jovanni
    jovanni 23 May 2017 10: 00
    +2
    Here you are, the Swedes are cunning! They say that from Russian submarines they don’t cram in the Baltic, there is no free space, but how about selling the Poles, so please! Like there were still places to dive ...
  9. HEATHER
    HEATHER 23 May 2017 10: 03
    +5
    Poland is a body that swims shallowly, but stinks and swells yet. Puzzles thought of themselves too much. Not! I don’t like their defense minister at all. At least I would shave. -simple homeless.
  10. Machete
    Machete 23 May 2017 10: 09
    0
    Development and construction? ...


    This is another 20 years, then wait.

    Finished in Europe, of course, will turn out faster.
  11. gurzuf
    gurzuf 23 May 2017 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: Cutter
    No, they will take the WARSHIENDS! Patriots, damn it, warriors, damn it!

    In Sevastopol, we have the submarine U01 Zaporizhzhia lol We can drive the pshek! laughing
    1. Cutter
      Cutter 23 May 2017 10: 40
      +7
      Well, try it!
  12. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 23 May 2017 19: 23
    0
    Quote: karish
    Quote: Basarev
    I would completely demilitarize the Poles. While the country does not have a decent standard of living and a scientific and technical base proportionate - it is unworthy to own an army and go into space

    Well, actually the standard of living in Poland is much higher than in Russia
    30% more precisely
    Quote: Basarev
    In this sense, the army and the cosmos are just part of the superstructure: there is no applied everyday benefit to each of the citizens

    And then what to say about S. Korea?
    there per capita GDP is only 26 times lower than in poland
    Quote: Basarev
    . In general, if you develop the teachings of Marx further

    no need to develop the teachings of Marx - enough have developed. what is enough. Much more
    Quote: Basarev
    People must have free will and actions

    But in this I agree - the truth is within the framework of the law and without prejudice to the human right to freedom of speech.

    At the expense of freedom of speech. Yes! But on one condition - criminal liability for a lie in the media
  13. Music
    Music 24 May 2017 01: 26
    0
    Dear pleasure, the Ukrainians did not pull. But the Poles decided