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US plans to replace in the Afghan Air Force Mi-17 on Sikorsky UH-60A Black Hawk

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According to the blog information bmpdThe American edition of MilitaryTimes announced the US plans to supply the Afghan Air Force 159 with upgraded Sikorsky UH-60A Black Hawk multi-purpose helicopters to replace Mi-17В-5 helicopters previously purchased for Afghanistan in Russia. According to the publication, at the moment the final decision has not yet been made, but the deal is close to approval.

According to the Pentagon, 2017 million dollars were additionally allocated for 814 a year to support the Afghan Air Force. It is believed that these funds will be enough to repair, upgrade and prepare the first UH-53A 60 helicopters for Afghanistan. The first cars can be delivered in the fall of 2017. Subsequent shipments of approximately 30 helicopters per year are expected.



In total, 63 helicopters Mi-17В-5 of new construction were purchased for the Afghan Air Force in the Russian Federation. Their number decreases due to combat losses, accidents, physical wear and tear, and unskilled service by an Afghan force. For example, in December 2016, the commander of the 207 corps of the Afghan army, General Mojaheddin Gore, died as a result of the crash of the Mi-17 helicopter, to which, according to an official conclusion, improper maintenance resulted. As of November 2016, the Afghan Air Force had 47 "new" Mi-17 helicopters, as of April 2017, the 46, including 18, which were in a non-flying state due to scheduled maintenance. In total, there are 78 helicopters of the Mi-8 / 17 family of all modifications. It is believed that with the current dynamics by the middle of the 2018 of the year, not a single flight helicopter may remain.

As of April 2017, the Afghan Air Force served as 68 pilots trained to operate the Mi-17. However, 35 of them were instructors who did not take part in hostilities on a permanent basis. As stated in the Pentagon, retraining of the pilot Mi-17 on UH-60A will require only 12 weeks, the preparation of the new pilot will take from 9 to 13 months, depending on the initial level of knowledge of the English cadet. 35 Afghan instructor pilots can train up to 100 new UH-60A pilots within a year.

It is assumed that UH-60A helicopters from the 1980s, which are part of the army, will be delivered to Afghanistan. aviation USA. At the same time, they will undergo modernization to the level of UH-60A +. Among other things, it is planned to install new more powerful engines - presumably, such as General Electric T700-GE-701C, which are used on helicopters of versions UH-60L / M.

Critics point out that Afghan personnel are struggling to handle the Mi-17. Therefore, the transition to the helicopters of Western production can be an even greater problem. In addition, the cost of maintenance will increase. Under Afghan conditions, the Mi-17B-5 stands out for its payload, reaching up to 9000 pounds of payload. The helicopter has a convenient wide stern cargo door or ramp. The UH-60A + will only be able to carry 2300 pounds of cargo and has only side doors. Mi-17 have weapons, which are presented primarily 57-mm and 80-mm NAR, which allows the active use of helicopters as shock machines. Thus, during the 2016 of the year, the Mi-17 of the Afghan Air Force used 623 weapons, about the same number as MD Helicopters MD-530F (662 times) considered the main attack helicopter of the Afghan aviation. Between June 1 and November 30, the 2016 of the year Mi-17 carried out more than 80 percent of all the actions of the Afghan Air Force for the direct air support of the Afghan forces. UH-60A does not have a regular shock weapons. At the same time, it is claimed that up to 60 helicopters designated for delivery to Afghanistan will be additionally equipped with armaments, including NAR launchers, and, possibly, guided missiles.

In parallel with the transfer of 159 UH-60A helicopters, the possibility of additional delivery of X-NUMX light combat helicopters MD-30F Cayuse Warrior to Afghanistan, another 530 light turbo-prop light attack aircraft Embraer A-6 Super Tucano and 29 light armed reconnaissance-attack aircraft Cesshna ant X-THUMAN A-5 Super Tucano and 208 light armaments are under consideration.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 May 2017 08: 24
    +2
    And here it all depends on the leadership of Afghanistan .. How strong are their Faberge ..
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 23 May 2017 08: 38
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      And here it all depends on the leadership of Afghanistan .. How strong are their Faberge ..


      Faberge has nothing to do with it ... here the main thing is to discard rubbish and download grandmothers .. really what kind of grandmothers are from Afghanistan .. except that they will settle with opium .. so there all the plantations are under the control of striped ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 May 2017 08: 43
        +1
        The main thing is to refuse this trash .. That's what Faberge ..
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: 210ox
        And here it all depends on the leadership of Afghanistan .. How strong are their Faberge ..

        Faberge has nothing to do with it ... here the main thing is to discard rubbish and download grandmothers .. really what kind of grandmothers are from Afghanistan .. except that they will settle with opium .. so there all the plantations are under the control of striped ...
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 23 May 2017 09: 13
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          The main thing is to refuse this trash .. That's what Faberge ..
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: 210ox
          And here it all depends on the leadership of Afghanistan .. How strong are their Faberge ..

          Faberge has nothing to do with it ... here the main thing is to discard rubbish and download grandmothers .. really what kind of grandmothers are from Afghanistan .. except that they will settle with opium .. so there all the plantations are under the control of striped ...


          \ so .. make bets ... whose Faberge is cooler ... Trump or The Bear Man .. laughing Afghans do not participate here in any way .. request
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 23 May 2017 08: 44
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        rub off trash and grandmother download .. really what kind of grandmother in Afghanistan ..

        Well, at least, do not spend the loot at home: storage, disposal ... Surely, they also accumulated a lot of spare parts, they also occupy a place in warehouses.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 23 May 2017 08: 42
      +5
      Yes, let them change, they have already paid for our helicopters. They will be disappointed in the Americans, then they will want ours again.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 23 May 2017 09: 05
        +2
        Quote: RASKAT
        Yes, let them change, they have already paid for our helicopters. They will be disappointed in the Americans, then they will want ours again.

        The point of selling used goods is not in the sides themselves, but in the sale of spare parts for them. We would be able to receive money for a long time for our s / h and severe forms. Now this money will be received by the USA. Under such conditions, they can give helicopters free of charge. Yes, and repair parts can be sold cheaper than we are new. In absolute terms, this may be more for money. In addition, due to the fact that the Hauk transport less, their operation will be more intensive, and, consequently, will need more s / h.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 23 May 2017 11: 26
          +5
          One of the reasons for acquiring -8ok is the disproportionate cost of operating hawks in Afghanistan. -60 there simply could not stand. This was a rather rare case when American equipment was purchased for American grandmothers, not according to American "concepts."
          This seems to me a curtsy to Trump's policy: everything is American. We’ll see, but they’ll definitely go up for repair
          1. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 23 May 2017 12: 35
            0
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            We’ll see, but they’ll definitely go up for repair

            yes, afghan has no money) Congress will pay for the banquet anyway - it will be a simple and effective dough from the typewriter.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 24 May 2017 01: 05
              +5
              I say: the policy of Trump in action. Americans generally believe that one should not be interested in the opinions of others, and they don’t give a damn about the opinion of the Afghans.
    3. jovanni
      jovanni 23 May 2017 09: 08
      +1
      Yes, even if they have reinforced concrete Faberge. Grandmas are what the Americans give. And whoever pays, he orders the muses ... er - er ... helicopters ...
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 May 2017 10: 02
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      And here it all depends on the leadership of Afghanistan .. How strong are their Faberge ..

      Not only ... because why did the United States purchase MI-17 for Afghanistan? For one simple reason, our hard worker knows how to work normally in the mountains, at heights where the air is discharged. Moreover, the price is completely different compared to the Hawk.
  2. pjastolov
    pjastolov 23 May 2017 08: 26
    +10
    It is assumed that UH-60A helicopters from the 1980s, which are part of the US Army aviation, will be delivered to Afghanistan.
    money for disposal allocated, utilizers found wassat
  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 23 May 2017 08: 26
    0
    Well, finally ... they got down to business ... otherwise all Russian helicopters were promoted (for the slow-witted, this is irony) ...
    We must now wait for American to start buying in Iraq ... and the fact that they even fight on Russian helicopters ... well, with all the consequences, of course ... a maintenance system (training of personnel by the Americans) ... and spare parts forever ...
  4. kirgiz58
    kirgiz58 23 May 2017 08: 30
    +1
    Replace the new Mi-17 with UH-60A helicopters manufactured in the 1980s, slightly modernized?
  5. HEATHER
    HEATHER 23 May 2017 08: 36
    +4
    unskilled service by the Afghan staffThis is probably the main tragedy. No matter how simple the machine is, the Afghans will screw it all up. Maybe the Americans are right. So how will they serve them.
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 23 May 2017 11: 19
      0
      But what prevents the Americans from serving the Mi-17 in Afghanistan now? or do you (seriously) think that they (especially those from the "eastern" NATO countries) are unfamiliar with Soviet helicopters?
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 23 May 2017 08: 40
    +1
    The guys decided to profitably shake off the junk. Apparently, very powerful persuaders got involved that the Afghan government had no options - to take on new Russian or old American ones.
    It’s interesting how long these old people will last, even if the novie is retired simply at a terrible pace.
    1. mishaia_23
      mishaia_23 23 May 2017 08: 51
      0
      Interesting ,how long will these old peopleif even the novie is retiring simply at a terrible pace.
      No matter how much, you need to pay money for the disposal of junk, but here you can also earn ...
      Although the macroeconomics of countries with multi-trillion debt is difficult to understand ...
      They steal ...
      Support star-striped producer (in the sense of modernization of junk)
      Saw cut budget allocations for the military industry, except for which in the USA it really doesn’t work
  7. Moskovit
    Moskovit 23 May 2017 08: 43
    +1
    As the song says, the first thing we mess up is helicopters ...
  8. Oznob
    Oznob 23 May 2017 08: 46
    +4
    If the Mi-17s fall from poor service, the fate of US helicopters looks predictable.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 23 May 2017 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: Oznob
      If the Mi-17s fall from poor service, the fate of US helicopters looks predictable.

      Do not underestimate the competitor. After all, in Vietnam the environment was no less aggressive, albeit in its own way. And here, in addition, the Sikorsky helicopters, and that means something in the helicopter world.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 24 May 2017 14: 25
        +1
        Well, well, and the Miles mark is an empty phrase, yeah. There are two questions: who will fly and who will serve. If both times are Afghans, then more helicopters will soon be needed. If the Americans are at least servicing their hawks, then the situation will become much more rosy for them.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 24 May 2017 14: 47
          0
          Quote: CT-55_11-9009
          Well, well, and the Miles mark is an empty phrase, yeah.

          Do not hear "voices" by chance? Or do you think in life that if you were simply not praised, then they automatically poured slops?
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 24 May 2017 15: 38
            +1
            Of course, I hear voices, especially when people turn to me. Useful, you know. Well, what about poured slop ... In this case, unpleasant, of course. But if I was not praised - and do not care, not a gentleman.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 24 May 2017 19: 17
              0
              Quote: CT-55_11-9009
              Of course, I hear voices, especially when people turn to me.

              I'm talking about something else, not in vain put in quotation marks.
              Well, what about poured slop ... In this case, unpleasant, of course. But if I was not praised - and do not care, not a gentleman.

              And here I am talking about something else. Paying tribute to “Sikorsky” you somehow transformed in an incomprehensible way into a completely idiotic “Well, well, and the brand“ Miles ”is an empty phrase, aha.”
              By the way, for your information, "Miles" is not a "brand", but a design bureau / firm / company ("underline the necessary"). Well, or "NAME".
  9. Altona
    Altona 23 May 2017 09: 03
    0
    Quote: RASKAT
    They will be disappointed in the Americans, then they will want ours again.

    ------------------------------
    Frustrated if collected in the gorges, where they get on these helicopters.
  10. soroKING
    soroKING 23 May 2017 09: 30
    0
    in the mountains better than our turntables no hi
  11. venik
    venik 23 May 2017 09: 45
    0
    "... The US plans to replace the Mi-17 with the Sikorsky UH-60A Black Hawk in the Afghan Air Force ..."
    =======
    Oh well!! Let’s see how they fly in their “Hauks” in Afghanistan ...... It’s not to “embroider” over Europe - the conditions are oh-oh-oh !!! Long "Hauki" will not stand !!! Especially in the "skilled" Afghan pens ......
    1. Vz.58
      Vz.58 23 May 2017 10: 19
      +2
      They use their helicopters from the very beginning, and not only the UH-60.
      I advise you to look, they do not hide their losses
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_ac
      cidents_and_incidents_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan (there you will find in Russian)
      and on changing Mi to UH-60
      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-usa
      -helicopters-idUSKBN13N2FO
  12. Vz.58
    Vz.58 23 May 2017 10: 03
    +2
    The United States paid for the purchase of Mi-8/17 for the Afghan army and air force, spare parts for them, and repair of Afghan helicopters at enterprises in the Czech Republic and Slovakia after 2013. New Mi helicopters built in Russia transmitted to Afghanistan with American equipment. And the Labels on the guards were already in English.
    T-H, for type UH-60 pilots will retrain without problems. But with the technical staff in the field, it will be more difficult. Rather, the Amiks will pay their contractors, who will take over the UH service locally.
    Afghanistan is such a country with its geography and topology, where a symbiosis of such helicopters as Mi, UH-60 and MD-530F is necessary, but "geopolitical economy" interferes and this is disgusting. All two roosters on one dunghill cannot agree
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 23 May 2017 11: 57
      0
      Quote: Vz.58
      New Mi helicopters built in Russia transmitted to Afghanistan with American equipment. And the Labels on the guards were already in English.
      T-H, for type UH-60 pilots will retrain without problems.

      Ahh! That's the whole problem, it turns out, and how easy it is to solve! Change stickers: on engines, the main gearbox, chassis, transmission to the HV and the HV itself, hydro- and fuel s-max. The difference in piloting is also solved with stickers - just write "control the same way as" mile "- both helicopters have a classic layout, and we have already changed the radio station for you." :)))
      Vz.58 quickly and easily solved all the problems. :))
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 23 May 2017 10: 54
    0
    63 new-built Mi-17V-5 helicopters were purchased. Their number is decreasing due to combat losses, accidents, physical deterioration and unskilled service by the Afghan squad.

    Americans will have to torment themselves with the training of personnel, who in many cases do not even have secondary education. but just trained for specific operations. Their machines are more complicated to maintain and operate. Yes, and more expensive for the same items. so the Americans may push their equipment to the Afghans, but most likely this will reduce the air support of the Afghan army and the resulting gap will have to be filled by the Americans themselves with their gentle ass.
  14. Topotun
    Topotun 23 May 2017 10: 57
    +1
    It means that Afghanistan will soon be left without operational aviation ... Our helicopters to sniff without maintenance (or maintenance is bad) is much more difficult ...
  15. Santa bear
    Santa bear 23 May 2017 10: 57
    0
    Afghans do not decide anything, no one gave them a choice. What kind of our helicopters what kind of American ones are paid by the USA. Type of military assistance. Now they simply will not pay us for helicopters, but to themselves.
  16. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 23 May 2017 13: 20
    0
    UH-60A Black Hawk

    Cute helicopter. But how much does it cost and what is the price of maintenance compared to the Mi-17? I think not in favor of the first.
  17. 23424636
    23424636 23 May 2017 15: 16
    0
    a clean cut of dough - they’ll charge the rotten meat with new engines and slip it as novice, but the Americans are still those scammers if they wouldn’t let the Russians into the markets
  18. bald
    bald 23 May 2017 17: 22
    0
    Well, these drugs will pay. Surprisingly, one junk, for money they exchange for another. And I think the modernization of MI-17 in Russia would be cheaper.
  19. datur
    datur 23 May 2017 22: 43
    0
    a ,, black hawks
    ,, Sikorsky Afghans will cherish and cherish? Oh well!!! wink just amerikosy squeeze babosiki- almost lard- this is not khukh-mukhra !! wassat