Who is disadvantageous civil short-haired?

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"It is better to die standing than live on your knees."
Dolores Ibarruri, Spanish anti-fascist




In disputes with supporters of short-bar legalization, their opponents are often taken to reason on the topic "who benefits." In this case, they begin to accuse their opponents indiscriminately of being “paid agents” of powerful businessmen who are allegedly interested in “gigantic” profits lurking in the production and sale of a civilian short-haul. At the same time, it is completely useless for them to point out that no one else receives any special benefits anywhere in the world from the sale of civilian riflemen, that this is mainly small and medium-sized business in commerce, and all world production amounts to no more than 200-300 million. year. At the same time, Facebook, which actively opposes civil weapons, receives up to 9 billion dollars (!) of profit per year. Yes, I would very much like to have a strong arms lobby in Russia, but given our tax system, the credit system and the bureaucratic press, we must have entrepreneurial idealism, turning into a specific idiocy to give money to push the legalization of the short-term bank to pay back their production and sale permitted pistols. However, do not go to the fortuneteller, and the opponents of legalization will dig like that about dealers and lobbies, not to be ashamed of them with facts and logic. That is what prompted me to the question: who is unprofitable for the legal presence of a civilian short-circuit for self-defense and the laws that would support this self-defense?

I divided these disadvantages into three types: economic, political, and moral-psychological. Economically legal weapons among citizens and the relevant laws, of course, criminality, including organized ones, is disadvantageous. You can’t especially plunder armed citizens, you won’t find racketeers for them. After all, who agrees to break into foreign territory and damage property on it, if you can shoot for it? In America, so at one time and strangled racketeering. Now there, even if you did not manage to catch and shoot those who came to smash and set fire to your workshop or shop, they will pay you for the damage in the expectation that if the gangsters come after that, you can still fight back them yourself or together with the police. That is why in America the racket is now only for those about whom they know that he himself is smeared, and the police, if anything, will not run and will not shoot back, so as not to get under a police investigation.

True, I will not argue that the ban on short-bartender is lobbying organized crime in our Duma and the government, like the American gangsters who had grown rich from illegal alcohol once tried to hinder the abolition of "dry law" in the United States. To such organizational and mental "heights" our gangsters do not soar. Supporters of short-barrels argue much about political disadvantage and passionately. How many words and convincing evidence has been and will be presented that our entire current political system is sharpened so that the citizens of Russia rely solely on the state, feeling themselves without help from orphaned absolutely in all areas! That the government and law enforcement agencies, the entire ruling stratum (the establishment!) Of Russia will simply be unable to interact with the citizens if they get the opportunity and learn to defend their honor and interests in the face of crime! After all, then it will fundamentally change the mentality of the Russians, and their demands for state administration will become so powerful that in its current form this state administration will simply go bankrupt. No matter how paradoxical it may sound, I would be sincerely glad if I found out that our government thinks that way. This would mean that it is able to approach the issue systematically and change its point of view under the pressure of changed circumstances. Convince them that the legal short-stay law and the laws on self-defense will only strengthen the state and increase the credibility of the government - you see, law-makers will want to take advantage of these amenities, especially since the Federal Guard Service has both saved and will save them. But, alas, our government on this topic either keeps silent and silences the media controlled by it, or mumbles something that even the cleverest of the hoplofobs for them is probably inconvenient. That is why the moral and psychological disadvantage comes first.

What kind of "horrors" do not list the hopophobes to justify their position: the criminals, they are all "supermen" and always more agile than armed citizens, and therefore with legal pistols such citizens will kill much more, and even begin to take these guns away, the children of the gun owners will massively shoot pistols of their parents, the murderers will start to lure people into their houses and kill with impunity under the pretext of protecting their homes, drunkards will arrange firefights on the streets and in taverns and so on and so on ad infinitum. Why all this does not happen in countries with a legal short-range, why is there less crime there than in unarmed countries? Hoplofobam is "to the lampad", they have just another goal. Unfortunately, it should be noted that in all the so-called civilized countries a large layer of tolerated and defeatists appeared long ago. And not only where it is specially cultivated, as, for example, in Russia, but also in those countries where there are no anti-weapon bans. For example, everything is allowed in Scandinavia, but a lot of “natives” voluntarily refuse civilian weapons and related rights, and local courts have already begun to condemn them for armed self-defense almost like in Russia, especially if the criminals who are injured are migrants. Why this phenomenon has arisen, the question is separate and very large, it has yet to be investigated in detail. But if you look at the psychology of hoplofobs, you can easily discern that, in essence, it is a shame to hoplofobs for the fact that they are such. No, they will never understand this and will not even recognize themselves, maybe they will be genuinely surprised at my conclusion, but all their behavior in disputes with us convincingly speaks in favor of my version. A normal person is created by nature to defend himself for life. It is to defend, and not to survive, to be saved by any, even the most base price! And in society, this upholding is expressed in the protection of their honor and dignity from humiliation. The greatest humiliation for a person is a crime against a person, no matter, against himself or against others, but before his eyes. And if a person voluntarily refuses, and even publicly, to assert himself, then in the presence of at least one dissenter he will be the primitive instinct to feel his shameful inferiority, along with all his peers, no matter how many of them are around. That is why the hoplofobs are so hysterical, so violently insist on their own and are fighting for anti-weapon bans, although it would seem that they have something to fear? If you really do not believe in yourself and do not wish to bear any personal responsibility for anything, for anyone! If you are against any risk, then please! As you went without guns before legalization, so go after it, no one will take them away from you, the children will not shoot them, and you will run into an armed scumbag, so stand in a pose of humility, satisfy his desires and live not outright. Why would a gangster kill-maim someone who can be used multiple times? This, by the way, a couple of years ago, a television series representative voiced throughout the country, an ardent opponent of weapons.

But in the absence of anti-weapon prohibitions, with the possibility of legitimate self-defense, hoplofobs will immediately become second grade, will lose respect and equality with their opponents: after all, the people always respect the person who is able to defend and protect. And the legalization of armed self-defense will give such people not only to preserve themselves and everyone they happen to defend, but also to highlight brightly in public opinion. As a result, all incapable weakies from the branches of state power are naturally cleaned out. Not like nowadays when they control real people and have the opportunity to spend such people in a panic if there are harsh military or political circumstances.

PS Among all the objections that I have learned almost by heart, I would consider the following as the most appropriate for the above text.

Opponents could repeat to me again that with the legalization of short-barrels and self-defense, criminals and psychopaths will start acquiring legal weapons en masse, increasing the number of serious crimes. And, based on this fear, the protection of citizens should be solely in the hands of police professionals. So is it not easier to demand and get the police to start working properly - to create ultimate and complete security?

Well, let's say ... Then I have some counter questions. If you think that it is impossible to make such a control so that the shortbag could not fall into the wrong hands en masse, then why it turned out to be possible with a long-trunk trunk? And if, in your opinion, the police are in principle incapable of providing effective preventive control over civilian weapons, then how is it possible (like that) to demand and achieve complete security from it? Or do you think that controlling civilian weapons is much more difficult than conducting investigations and catching criminals? States as a form of organization of societies exist in stories humanity is more than 3 thousands of years. Consequently, the police have the same history of existence. Where, when, in past or present times did the police manage to ensure complete security? Give me a convincing example of such states! And if, oh miracle (!), You succeed in doing this, then what has disturbed you, interferes and will always interfere with demanding and obtaining from the police what you dream of? You yourself say that this requirement will be simpler and more effective than our struggle for the possibility of civil armed self-defense! Waiting for an answer, like a nightingale of summer!
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  1. +23
    22 May 2017 15: 08
    "Who is disadvantageous civilian short-barrel?" - To the descendants of those who disarmed the population in the 18th year.
    1. +20
      22 May 2017 16: 31
      All this is very cool, but you must first change the laws, the case of "excess", start at every convenient and not convenient case.
      1. +18
        22 May 2017 16: 42
        Quote: Megatron
        the case of "excess", start at every convenient and not convenient cases.

        Give the people weapons and very soon no one will start a business not the case.
        1. +4
          23 May 2017 01: 20
          Who bought a box of vodka - a machine as a gift!
          1. +3
            24 May 2017 19: 49
            TIRED! How much can the issue of "allow or not allow" to have civilian lethal weapons? How many arguments for and against.
            Understand! Under the current government, weapons will not be allowed to be sold. No matter what the arguments will be. Otherwise, they would have allowed it a long time ago. And there is no alternative to the Putin team now, the rest of the country will be ruined / plundered. And that’s all, further disputes about civilian weapons - an empty concussion.
            TIRED !!!
        2. +1
          23 May 2017 10: 08
          The wife acquired weapons for self-defense from her husband and vice versa.
      2. +23
        22 May 2017 18: 57
        We must at least start small - protecting our home, as in the United States. There, the owner who killed the robber within his home does not bear any responsibility. Any real estate should also be attributed to the house - cottages, garages and more. And you can add mobility, i.e. cars.
        1. +5
          23 May 2017 10: 13
          killing a burglar within his home bears no responsibility
          Invite your foe-neighbor to drink tea and all things in your house.
      3. +5
        22 May 2017 23: 26
        I agree when the legislative base will be then and it is necessary to raise this issue. It is strange but the author of the article takes care of his Wishlist and not of civil self-defense. OOP is he missing? Or doesn’t know how to use weapons for defense? Or maybe he just has a short barrel? :)
        1. +2
          26 May 2017 22: 59
          In winter, OOP castrated to 91J will not do absolutely any harm, only anger the attacker. Do not carry nonsense! Short barrels must be allowed and that's it! Who does not want not to take, but do not bother others!
      4. +2
        23 May 2017 08: 23
        Megatron is another article from a patient with a weapon! lol
        1. +2
          26 May 2017 23: 00
          Another pacifist - endured!
    2. +5
      22 May 2017 17: 17
      Oh yes .. These are those “who are slaves” ... Well, let's divide society into “slaves and” not slaves (those who have a short barrel) .. And what will happen in the end. You just get the “right of the strong” with arms to do everything that is deliberate, about unlawful self-defense ..
      Quote: Kapellan23
      "Who is disadvantageous civilian short-barrel?" - To the descendants of those who disarmed the population in the 18th year.
      1. +21
        22 May 2017 18: 47
        Quote: 210ox
        You just get the "right of the strong" with arms to do whatever it takes to reason, about non-legal self-defense ..

        Something I do not see the complex "rights of the strong" from the owners of the smoothbore. And according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are about 6 million of them, and there are only a few in the crime scene. And some specimens are more like assault shotguns than hunting weapons. hi
        1. +13
          23 May 2017 00: 27
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Something I do not see the complex "rights of the strong" from the owners of the smoothbore. And according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are about 6 million of them, and there are only a few in the crime scene. And some specimens are more like assault shotguns than hunting weapons. hi

          I completely agree with you, I have a hunting rifle and trauma and for some reason I am not drawn to affirming myself in the "right of the strong" ...
          However, it is more difficult to defeat armed nations such as the Romans or Swiss if you come close to them, because in this case they have the opportunity to gather more troops to repulse the attack than to attack others.
          Nicollo Machiavelli
          http://samlib.ru/b/burlankow_nikolaj_dmitriewich/
          majiavelli.shtml
    3. +13
      22 May 2017 18: 14
      Quote: Kapellan23
      "Who is disadvantageous civilian short-barrel?" - To the descendants of those who disarmed the population in the 18th

      That’s why, as a monarchist, is so necessarily a clowning bullshit? laughing
      1. +13
        22 May 2017 18: 55
        That is why, as a communist, so immediately an ill-mannered person, strewing insults?
        1. +15
          22 May 2017 19: 00
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          That is why, as a communist, so immediately an ill-mannered person, strewing insults?

          Firstly, you are lying monarchists again. Secondly, you are fed up with your primitive permanent lies. It’s a pity there is no “give pendal for lies” button on the site. Although it may not be a pity, otherwise my hand would be swollen from constant tapping on the keyboard. smile
          1. +10
            22 May 2017 21: 49
            Thank you, you just brilliantly confirmed my thesis stated in the previous comment! hi
            1. +3
              22 May 2017 23: 27
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Thank you, you just brilliantly confirmed my thesis stated in the previous comment!

              Ndaaaaaa. Disorder, again, the monarchists forgot to give pills and allowed to the Internet. laughing
              1. +8
                23 May 2017 07: 02
                Sorry, but you without absurd attempts at insults to communicate or not?
                1. +2
                  23 May 2017 10: 50
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Excuse me, do you know how to communicate without absurd attempts at insults?

                  This is a statement of fact, not an insult. You monarchists are completely insane. You can’t prove anything a priori. You are constantly caught in a lie, but with persistence worthy of a better application, you continue to repeat the lies on which you were caught.
                  1. +9
                    23 May 2017 11: 18
                    "They constantly catch lies" - this is not the answer. You tell me specifically which of the monarchists in this thread lied and in what. Without specificity, your words about the lie are just an unproven accusation and insult.
                    1. 0
                      23 May 2017 13: 40
                      Quote: Kapellan23
                      "Who is disadvantageous civilian short-barrel?" - To the descendants of those who disarmed the population in the 18th year.

                      What is this?
                      1. +6
                        23 May 2017 16: 58
                        It? This is a summary of SNK Decree dated 10.12.1918 "On the surrender of weapons."
                        You can read the text here:
                        http://istmat.info/node/31996
                    2. 0
                      23 May 2017 17: 46
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      It? This is a summary of SNK Decree dated 10.12.1918 "On the surrender of weapons."
                      You can read the text here:
                      http://istmat.info/node/31996

                      Thank. I'm still a little aware. It is not a matter of fact itself, but of how it is presented. If the Communists wanted, they would be able to introduce an almost complete or complete ban on arms trafficking. But this has not been done. And as a rifled weapon, a hunting rifle is more dangerous than a pistol or revolver in case of an uprising. And he probably controls the circulation of weapons everywhere and where the Communists have never been in power. Yes, and as far as I remember, he was with the kings. Let it seem to be less rigid.
            2. +2
              23 May 2017 02: 24
              The arms did not help the monarchists in 17.

              Now, no matter how strange it is, they again want to distribute weapons to everyone, although there are so many who have them.

              Moreover, for self-defense it is not necessary to kill your victim, it is enough to neutralize her, but is it not convenient ?!
              What if it turns out that she didn’t attack, but you ...
              1. 0
                23 May 2017 08: 27
                Krabik do not pay attention! As they said in one popular film "It is sinful to laugh at sick people."
        2. +1
          26 May 2017 23: 12
          Because all commies are like that
    4. +16
      22 May 2017 18: 53
      It is disadvantageous for me, for example. request Because I wouldn’t trust a weapon to anyone who advocates on the site about the legalization of the short barrel. And I really do not want such persons to have deadly weapons. Idiots with injuries are enough. am
      Well, about the article. Another round of PR campaign with a prize in the form of huge sums. Because regardless of whether you think it is correct to have a short-barreled gun on the streets or not, but if it appears with someone, everyone will have to buy it. So that if something fights off a short-barreled fan with his argument. Personally, I DON'T AFRAID THAT EVIL GANGSTERS IN THE STREET WILL ATTACK ME, AND THERE IS THAT WHILE CONFLICT IN THE BAR, THE GUY WILL BE CAPTURING ME TO REPRESENT ME EASY.
      By the way, it seems I understood where the video from the Destructive Ranch came from recently. It’s such a psychological preparation that having a bunch of trunks at home is cool and fun. An entertaining move. wink Well, about the amount of money that gunsmiths can raise in case of legalization. Hard to count. Only one Caucasus, in which every man must buy the trunk, as a sign of status, will give millions of sales.
      But in general, the article is sensible, written by an experienced propagandist. Opponents of the legalization of the short-barrel, as well as Russophobes, are skillfully ridiculed. In general, it seems that we will see a whole series of such articles. Gunsmiths need sales, lobbyists and propagandists need just money. hi
      1. +6
        22 May 2017 19: 07
        Quote: g1v2
        In general, it seems that we will see a whole series of such articles. Gunsmiths need sales, lobbyists and propagandists need just money.

        And the naive boobies who get involved in agitation "for a swab" will pay for their stupidity with money and blood.
      2. 0
        23 May 2017 01: 05
        I agree with you completely.
      3. +6
        23 May 2017 12: 51
        Quote: g1v2
        Idiots with injuries are enough.

        In this case, either take them from all the idiots, or give non - idiots the opportunity to defend themselves against idiots and criminals. Otherwise, it doesn’t work out rightly.
      4. +1
        24 May 2017 19: 02
        I would agree with you, with a developed law enforcement system, but now even with a real threat, it will not be able to ensure your safety. “Saving the drowning, the handiwork of the drowning themselves” - it remains for the "frantic printer" to change the Federal Law of the Russian Federation to protect against criminals, to cancel the statute of limitations for serious crimes, to expand "self-defense", depriving it of such
        Articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, as an excess of self-defense measures.
    5. Mwg
      +2
      22 May 2017 19: 03
      HOORAY! You give each “no slave” an intercontinental ballistic installation so that they would not be afraid to go out on the street in the evening. And a company of bodyguards! And then the "slaves" by their appearance violate the delicate balance of "not slaves" and prevent them from thinking about the beautiful ....
      1. +2
        22 May 2017 19: 53
        kuz363 : We should at least start small - protecting our home, as in the USA. There, the owner who killed the burglar within his home does not bear any responsibility.

        That is, you think that it’s enough to invite guests, then shoot them, then declare them to be robbers - and nothing will happen to you?
      2. +9
        22 May 2017 20: 00
        Pistol shooters own KNO (for example, “Viking” - a sports version of the Grach pistol or pistols from Glock), there are limitations (for example, in a number of cities due to the World Cup, legislative, etc. ), but you can walk with it (the store is separate), there is a premium KNO, finally there is a PM-T complex and an MDI cartridge (power is greater than that of the Browning unforgettable Fani Kaplan), and the like. That is, in fact, certain categories of the population may well own officially banned weapons, using holes in the law. Why not provide this opportunity officially? In addition to the "self-defense" there are many people who need CCW for one reason or another.
        1. 0
          22 May 2017 20: 33
          Began for health finished for peace.
          for one reason or another

          What are these reasons?)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
          1. +1
            22 May 2017 22: 27
            Amateur shooters, non-professional athletes, employees of security companies (most training with CBOs is idle, you won’t get too much in the dash, the rental time is ticking).
            1. 0
              23 May 2017 15: 29
              Arrows lovers and will cost a trauma, but the employees already have permission.
              1. 0
                23 May 2017 20: 30
                The injury is different from the battle, the descent is different. OO employees are issued at work or in the shooting range at the time of firing, this is not enough, I had to idle with the pneumatic MP-445, again another descent, and the quality of performance is not so hot.
                Why not? What fundamentally differs KNO from other firearms?
                1. 0
                  24 May 2017 18: 53
                  When remaking from combat to injury, there are no differences. Pneumatics have other TXX and are not very effective for training in the use of military weapons.
    6. +16
      22 May 2017 20: 17
      a drop
      Before the Khrushchev coup in the Soviet Union, hunting rifles and carbines were sold upon presentation of a passport. Without permission and safe. Pistols and revolvers were gift and award. Drafts, swords, saber swords, were at home without any permissions, including as decorations on the walls. He held in his hands such blades from private collections. Including rare saber swords.
    7. +3
      22 May 2017 20: 18
      Quote: Kapellan23
      Descendants of those who disarmed the population in the 18th

      So the people disarmed and disarmed not the population, but the estates: the nobility and the Cossacks.
      And the population has weapons, a smoothbore and rifled weapons. Or do you want to convince me that a pump-action shotgun or a rifled rifle is not a weapon? And the short-barrel will appeal to all the bandits ... They’ll switch from knives to a firearm))) Tell me offhand a couple of civilized countries (except for baboons from the USA) where does the short-barrel go for free?
      1. +8
        23 May 2017 01: 30
        Quote: Lightest
        Tell me offhand a couple of civilized countries (except for baboons from the USA) where the short-barrel is free to walk?

        Switzerland and the Czech Republic.
        In Switzerland, one of the highest percent of gun ownership on the planet is 29%, and one of the lowest crime rates.

        After the collapse of the USSR, the Czechs decided to restore their right to acquire and carry weapons. And they successfully completed this task. Shooting ranges are in third place in popularity among the population, after football and hockey.

        http://zbroya.info/ru/blog/3905_desiatka-stran-s-
        naibolee-loialnym-oruzheinym-zakonodatelstvom /
        1. +1
          24 May 2017 18: 43
          I would like to add that in Switzerland, the national guard keeps its weapons at home, including automatic ones. One must be a complete and frostbitten drug addict to try to break into such a house - a long-term treatment is guaranteed if he remains alive.
      2. +7
        23 May 2017 02: 56
        Austria Slovenia Estonia Lithuania Latvia Bulgaria Serbia Poland.
    8. 0
      23 May 2017 08: 29
      Kapellan23 something did not help weapons in 1918, even western deliveries! laughing
    9. 0
      23 May 2017 08: 38
      ..majors crush people with expensive foreign cars, cripple them with injuries .. they’ll kill them from short-barrels-and prove to me that how the short-barrels are allowed, the psychology of people will change, insane children of officials and rich will behave decently, judges will become independent, and the cops will not be corrupt. .
      1. 0
        24 May 2017 18: 50
        But no, they themselves may not be afraid that they will be shot rightly, but the dads will understand this very quickly and begin to regulate the behavior of their children.
        To begin with, it is necessary to oblige policemen to use weapons against inadequate life-threatening other citizens, namely to oblige to shoot to kill, and not to allow the use.
        The weapon mobilizes both the attacking side and the defender, making you think before making a decision.
        1. 0
          24 May 2017 21: 44
          Quote: d.gksueyjd
          To begin with, it is necessary to oblige policemen to use weapons against inadequate life-threatening other citizens, namely to oblige to shoot to kill, and not to allow the use.

          Being a cop and writing a report on the use and use of weapons, tell all this crap to the prosecutor who will conduct an audit about the use of weapons by you ....
    10. +6
      23 May 2017 10: 04
      For many years we have been arguing not about that. It's not about weapons. And the fact that in Russia there is no legally protected right to self-defense. In Russia, self-defense is a crime that is not such only if the limits of necessary self-defense are not exceeded. From this all the problems. The right to self-defense against criminal offenses should be enshrined in the constitution.
      As for weapons - it’s high time to introduce the concept of the purpose of use / use / weapon into the legislation. And adjust the "weapon articles" accordingly. For example:
      - use / use /, carrying, storing, acquiring weapons FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE CRIME / OFFENDING / - sanction.
      - carrying, possession of weapons WHEN committing a crime / offense / - sanction.
      Weapons should be recognized as any that causes harm / damage / health: gunshot, cold, pneumatic, throwing, impact - crushing, etc. etc. And the attacker, by law, should always be wrong.
      Only in this way will the attitude of society towards the proper possession of weapons gradually change. Only in this situation will it be possible to count on justice in court and in general in society. Only in this way everything will fall into place.
      Kgbers complaint
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 10: 28
        Quote: kgbers
        Weapons should be recognized as any that causes harm / damage / health:

        This list can be continued indefinitely - from foodstuffs to technology. .... Need a different formulation. For example: A citizen who was the first to use violence, morally, physically, with or without violence against another citizen, is a criminal and bears all responsibility for the consequences of such violence. The victim, in respect of whom the violence was originally used, is exempted from any kind of persecution.
    11. +1
      23 May 2017 12: 47
      The population in the "... 18th" year was disarmed in order to seize HUNDRED THOUSAND trunks that "went" to criminals during the years of the Imperialist and Civil War. And in intelligent and normal working families, award and other weapons were stored until the Khrushchev "thaw" not to mention that the hunting rifle could be bought at Sporting Goods. So there is no need to la-la about the evil red power, which deprived citizens of the way to protect themselves. By the way, it will soon be 30 years since the country is ruled by a good, democratic government and liberal. And things are still there.
    12. 0
      25 May 2017 12: 49
      Oh oh The whites are all malacholny. Well, when, when, and in the 18th year there were a lot of weapons, everyone and everything.
    13. 0
      28 May 2018 00: 31
      the first actually (right before the revolution) the king disarmed the population.
  2. kpd
    +2
    22 May 2017 15: 26
    For Mosinka to everyone, with MANDATORY constant wearing ...
    1. +15
      22 May 2017 15: 42
      Why.
      Not to everyone, but only law-abiding, mentally healthy and having constant earnings.
      And not the “three-ruler,” but what they want to buy (although access to imports should be limited for the first three years so that the domestic manufacturer can prepare for the upcoming competition).
    2. +11
      22 May 2017 15: 55
      Mosinka is a long barrel, they have been licensed for a long time. If you are naughty, then at least try on the topic :-)
    3. +7
      22 May 2017 16: 59
      yes for God's sake !!! rifled long barrel can be acquired after 5 years of owning a smooth-bore long barrel, i.e., Saiga, Boar, etc. etc ... and they have transportation rules .. and are quite tough .... and so you will never see the owner of the barrel in the city with weapons "on his shoulder" ..... you should first study the question and then post the posts .... and the short-haul with the city in unprofessional hands is a terrible thing .... where not a single Kolmogorov will fly with his theory of probability will predict ...
      1. +3
        23 May 2017 01: 37

        5
        Damir Yesterday, 16: 59 ↑
        yes for God's sake !!! rifled long barrel can be acquired after 5 years of ownership of a smooth barrel long barrel, i.e., Saigi, Vepri, etc. etc ... and they have transportation rules .. and are quite tough .... and so you will never see the owner of the barrel in the city with weapons on his shoulder .....

        Yes, I think everyone knows about it, it’s logical to never read the Law “On Weapons” ...
        I just remembered how I was from Odintsovo (there was an arms store) to Moscow, I took my Saigu in a cardboard box across the city in an electric train and metro, not a single cop stopped, although there were inscriptions on the boxes that there ....
        1. +1
          23 May 2017 09: 46
          you had at least a check from the store with you, I’m not talking about the rest of the documents .... and yes ... ridiculous .... comrade in public transport and some sort of packaging ... I suspect that you were left out of the way without any questions .... lol
    4. 0
      23 May 2017 08: 40
      Quote: kpd
      For Mosinka to everyone, with MANDATORY constant wearing ...

      ... with an ATTACHED bayonet !!!!
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 18: 05
        arrested for carrying knives with a blade exceeding 12cm))))
  3. +13
    22 May 2017 15: 31
    When the second amendment was adopted in the United States at the end of the 18th century, which legalized the right to firearms for citizens, this never reduced the crime rate, for some reason) Shooting became commonplace on the street and more or less everything settled down, i.e. until the most zealous shot each other, not in one dozen years. About this, no one likes to remember something, and the author of the article does not know. Say the time was different? It was, but in the tone of the article, one gets the feeling that our situation is no better now and that we should rather hand out weapons to everyone. Here the author says that in the US crime is lower than in countries where weapons are prohibited. But the United States is killing with firearms more than in any other country. This author for some reason does not mention, or rather does not know. Although you will say that no matter what they kill, the presence of weapons on hand makes this much easier and it can be seen in the United States. Again, for some reason, the United States is now trying in every way to tighten the law, building all sorts of administrative barriers to reduce the amount of weapons on hand and complicate the acquisition of this by citizens, such as in Chicago. Well, honestly, after reading the article, that manner of writing, the tone of the article, I would definitely forbid the author to have firearms.
    1. +13
      22 May 2017 15: 51
      When at the end 18th century in the USA, the second amendment was adopted, legalizing the right to firearms for citizens, this has never reduced the crime rate,


      Here is the answer to your question. We just need to remember that the country generally just survived the war for independence from the British Empire and was ravaged by the war, socially unstable with a bunch of related factors like gangs of deserters who fierce for a long time. Accordingly, analogies are not applicable to the former colony of the 18th century, which in terms of development is much lower than even modern Russia.

      That is precisely why you do not give examples of countries where, after the legalization of the short-barrel, crime began to decline, or the experience of Australia in which, after the most severe ban on the civilian firearm, the number of robberies in general (both armed and not) both increased and continued to grow. State source can see

      http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.
      html

      * without a clue why the link does not open. Then look for the second link in google australia criminal statistic robbery.

      The date of the mass buyback (i.e. the selection of weapons from the population) is 1996. And robberies fall after the peak in 2001, and immediately unarmed and armed, which refute any reason related precisely to access to weapons.

      But the United States is killing with firearms more than in any other country. This author for some reason does not mention, or rather does not know.


      Here, firstly, I would like links. And secondly, I would prefer that 200 people were killed from legal weapons than from illegal 2000.

      but the presence of weapons on hand makes it easier at times and it can be seen in the United States.


      Of course, you don’t specify where and how this weapon is on hand, but draw a parallel in the text that this is all from the sold one, yeah.
      1. +8
        22 May 2017 16: 14
        Quote: rait
        And secondly, I would prefer that 200 people were killed from legal weapons than from illegal 2000.

        But I do not agree with you. A legal short-barrel in the hands of an inexperienced person will very quickly become illegal in the hands of a criminal. Psychological preparation is also necessary for possession of weapons, otherwise, the person who bought the gun will instantly imagine himself at least Bruce Willis. And without the appropriate skills, it will become easy prey for the criminal who, at best, will easily disarm him (because the criminal, unlike the victim, is psychologically and physically always ready for the crime!) And at worst, without risking, he will simply shoot him in the back. And then, if the victim succeeds in surviving, there is still a long declaration of love for law enforcement agencies, proving that it was not he who committed a dozen robberies with weapons. And law enforcement officers, in turn, will behave like American police officers - at any suspicion - shoot to kill, because there is only one life.
        1. +16
          22 May 2017 17: 15
          And not having the appropriate skills will become easy prey for the criminal, who at best will easily disarm him (because the offender, unlike the victim, is psychologically and physically always ready for the crime!) And at worst - without risking, just shoot him in the back.


          First of all, I’m very interested where you live if every criminal is mentally and physically prepared for a crime. In Russia, and in the USA, the bulk of the robbers are youngsters and drug addicts (often also youngsters) who have never prepared to commit robbery, choose a victim at the level of "Oh! This kid! We have to gnaw it," and in the worst case martial arts and fizuha. Of course, at a poor level, even an amateur athlete has more profitable business than selecting smartphones that cost 5-7 thousand in the store. And at the same time, of course, with minimal losses for its part, with minimal danger, they tend to be up and running. Even brutalized youngsters who can kill are not at all ready to die on their own. I know one case when 3 gopniks who almost scored 16 guys to death because of a smartphone were scared off by a young girl, she took the armature, ran up and cracked one of the three on the head. Naturally, he did not receive serious damage (the girl) ran away with accomplices. Now it’s rare to see even a “belay” who, if she was patient, gets into a fight, runs up behind and sticks a knife in the back.

          So where do you live, I don’t know, even in the 90s, among the gangs of business robbers there were people who did not differ in training and who took it purely to fright. It worked as a rule only because of the presence in the group of a leader who was the opposite of such jerks.

          As for the fantasies on the topic “criminals will immediately begin to kill,” I don’t understand where they can come from people who watched at least the news and went out into the street. It’s very, very hard to kill a person in cold blood, even criminals. And the fool who goes for a crime for 6-7 thousand and even more so, so this is almost never even found in the USA. The little one's hands are shaking, he’ll inadvertently make his pants, and you think he’s well, I don’t know ... a pro-level hitman. In the case in which the benefit of 10 thousand from the force, but simply less.

          Have you never heard "wet", "wet business"? Even among real gangsters, killing is distinguished by a gangster, in many respects because a local hunter will look for you for a threat with a knife or a couple of blows to the head. Or even a local. And they will not easily find it, and they will not give up all their strength. And the murder is already the matter of the Investigative Committee and completely different resources will be attracted to the search for the killer and most likely they will find the terms there too, not for robbery. Therefore, even gangsters to kill are rarely and only for serious money.

          To get the average person on something more serious than robbery personally in my city is very difficult, if at all possible, on fraternities even more difficult.

          Well, about how weapons will be taken away from everyone, I always like to refer to one boy from the USA. He was 13 years old, two armed robbers flew to his house, and all that he had was his mother’s gun and lack of knowledge on how to use it. Mom didn’t teach. Then there was a shootout, 6 shots from his side. The robbers have one corpse, the second is detained.

          http://truthuncensored.net/6-time-felon-killed-in
          -shootout-by-year-old-during-attempted-home-invasion
          ion / # sthash.z9bcBkXB.dpbs

          13 years old, lack of training, all the knowledge about the gun from computer games and TV and, as you say, 2 criminals who "unlike the victim are psychologically and physically always ready for the crime!". But the gun was not taken away from the snotty little boy.

          And law enforcement officers, in turn, will behave like American police officers - at any suspicion - shoot to kill, because there is only one life.


          But this is nothing more than tales from the TV. The police themselves, who worked in very bad places, were directly talking about the fact that no one was shooting directly at any suspicion, and that they generally write fines on relaxation. The same policeman from Auckland spoke about this in an interview with Goblin. The use of weapons by the US police completely coincides with our Federal Law "On Police", but for one thing. Our Federal Law allows a runaway criminal to be shot in the back (aha) if he is suspected of a grave or especially grave one.
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          2. +3
            22 May 2017 20: 02
            Quote: rait
            First of all, I’m very interested where you live if every criminal is mentally and physically prepared for a crime.

            I live in the Amur Region, but that’s not the point. Do you really think that a criminal - even if not a youngster - meditates for hours before committing a crime and adjusts himself to a specific gop-stop? Most crimes are spontaneous. You correctly noted the fact that the main contingent is youngsters. They are really without brakes and their simple threat, just lighting up the trunk - you can not stop. Have you shot people? And in children? Even if you take into account the slightly specific composition of readers of VO, I don’t think that here everyone can just pull out the barrel and shoot at an unarmed man. But the same person, as part of the pack, will be able to bastard you from the back with a bat. And only then completely armed, to go about their business.
            Your further discussions about mokrashniki and other bandits are a bit from another opera, for they describe the underworld from the USSR, the 90s have changed a lot, alas. I remember this time very well that in Chita, in the glorious city of Skovorodino, it was possible to catch a bullet just being at the wrong time in the wrong place. And I don’t think that then a weapon would help.

            Quote: rait
            But this is nothing more than tales from TV

            Tales? The Internet is full of video from the police breast cameras.
            1. +7
              22 May 2017 20: 38
              Quote: Felix
              The Internet is full of video from the police breast cameras.

              American cops. And in the USA there is a very specific national mentality, for centuries cultivated scum of all peoples. A simple example is a flood in New Orleans. There, a significant part of the population engaged in looting and robbery. I had to use the national guard.
              Europe is constantly drowned, but there people help each other in trouble.
              Those who like to say that they say "it’s impossible for Russians to shoot - they will shoot each other", I want to say - why do you not love your people so much that you think it is worse than Moldovans and Latvians? And there, crime began to decline.
              And the weapon - ask any owner of the weapon, he will answer you that it is very disciplining. hi
            2. +5
              22 May 2017 20: 41
              Do you really think that a criminal - even if not a youngster - meditates for hours before committing a crime and adjusts himself to a specific gop-stop?


              You speak as if I wrote this

              will become easy prey for the criminal, who at best will easily disarm him (because the offender, unlike the victim, is psychologically and physically always ready for the crime!)


              You already decide, and then you first they are super-pro killer-thugs, and now like this.

              They are really without brakes and their simple threat, just lighting up the trunk - you can not stop.


              Yeah, I can imagine it right. Yesterday they shot Vasya from Ryan, the day before yesterday they showed how they shot Petya from another Ryan, and if you believe it, this will not make any impression on Pasha from Ryan and he will easily trample on the trunk knowing that he is fighting and not traumatic and knowing that he will easily repeat the fate of Petit and Vasya. As I have written more than once, you are making typical gopniks of supermen with steel nerves who are not aware of fear and who are not afraid of death while everything is exactly the opposite of what practice says. As I already mentioned, one light blow from the reinforcement from the girl was enough for your “no brakes” with steel nerves to run away so that only the heels sparkled.

              You can’t tell tales about the blow of a bat in the middle of the street in the back of the head, it was less or less in the 90s and then after it came to the gopniks that you can pierce your head, and the victim will still be able to fight (I saw somehow the heaviest open TBI , the child landed on the floor made of artificial stone from a span of 2 floors with his head straight, and after that he got up and left with his feet filling everything around with blood) those same frostbites had a lot of questions. Now you will not meet this and, as I have already mentioned, the sense of this may be 0, a person can break his head and he will still be able to shoot back. This already happened in the 2010s when, after a shot in the head at point blank range from a PM, a businessman chased a killer.

              The 90s have changed a lot, alas. I remember this time very well that in Chita, in the glorious city of Skovorodino, it was possible to catch a bullet just being at the wrong time in the wrong place.


              Now it’s not 90, so to refer to them as a source of a real situation is nothing more than to divert the discussion from the objective side towards empty demagogy.

              Tales? The Internet is full of video from the police breast cameras.


              Only you didn’t watch them and the domestic Federal Law "On Police" didn’t read and therefore they shoot at you "at any suspicion", and not for example after the detainee ignoring all the cries of the police "stop!" continues to shout at him, sometimes with a knife or a screwdriver in his hands.
          3. +1
            23 May 2017 17: 53
            Quote: rait
            First of all, I’m very interested where you live if every criminal is mentally and physically prepared for a crime. In Russia, and in the USA, the bulk of the robbers are youngsters and drug addicts (often also youngsters) who have never prepared to commit robbery, choose a victim at the level of "Oh! This kid! We have to gnaw it," and in the worst case martial arts and fizuha. Of course, at a poor level, even an amateur athlete has more profitable business than selecting smartphones that cost 5-7 thousand in the store. And at the same time, of course, with minimal losses for its part, with minimal danger, they tend to be up and running. Even brutalized youngsters who can kill are not at all ready to die on their own. I know one case when 3 gopniks who almost scored 16 guys to death because of a smartphone were scared off by a young girl, she took the armature, ran up and cracked one of the three on the head. Naturally, he did not receive serious damage (the girl) ran away with accomplices. Now it’s rare to see even a “belay” who, if she was patient, gets into a fight, runs up behind and sticks a knife in the back.

            Here is a great comment, and not the exhaustion of the "fearsome" story from the finger about the superbly trained killers, thirsty for blood and a cheap mobile phone. a story from one's own "practice." Food on the escalator. "Komsomolskaya". long section. 3 bottles of light beer are quietly absorbed behind the diaphragm. Soldiers - “Chechens” are located on the steps behind, because they believe that everything is possible. Inadvertently hurt one. Surrounded. Hari evil. "Give him, give." He gave one that sparrows poked. The striker is weak, not set. My arm worked purely reflexively. Something like a gedan bar. There was a crunch on the entire escalator. "punched fried potatoes," I thought. and suddenly the face of the guy who stood in front of me was contorted in horror. A frightened boy stood before me. After a second he was gone. Their whole company ran down the escalator. On the steps lay some kind of bag. Only at home, when I saw the hematoma on my wrist, I realized what kind of crunch and bag it was. The crunch of a broken bone and the body of a boy who has lost consciousness from pain shock.
        2. +1
          23 May 2017 05: 29
          I agree with you Dear Felix. In all articles about a short barrel I always indicate that it is not a weapon that kills, but a man! In terms of the level of culture of handling weapons, alas, our population is hopelessly behind. Even people who have been wearing epaulets for more than a year may not behave appropriately. By the way, it is precisely the lack of free circulation of weapons that leads to a complete misunderstanding of How, When and Where to Use It! As for me, I generally advocate the legalization of any weapon other than WMD. Here I have a wild desire to buy a cliff or a gas station and shoot. And someone has a desire to buy a tank. But this does not mean that we together pulling a couple of glasses grabbing the trunks for an edge and riding the armor rush off like movie heroes to smash everyone and seek out our own truth
          1. +1
            23 May 2017 06: 37
            Quote: Nehist
            In terms of the level of culture of handling weapons, alas, our population is hopelessly behind.

            And can I clarify, on the basis of what you have made such conclusions? Only examples with traumatism are not necessary - the attitude to it is not as a weapon, but as a continuation of the fist. hi
            1. +1
              23 May 2017 09: 37
              Yes, based on the fact that 40 percent is simply afraid of him !!! For 30 it's just a toy! Above in the commentary he wrote that there was no understanding of the very essence of the weapon (and not only a shotgun) for what, when and where. The mere absence of it in the hands does not psychologically prepare a person for its proper use. And as you know, everything is cognizable in comparison. There is nothing to mess with
        3. 0
          24 May 2017 18: 30
          No need to juggle - weapons are also taken from the police, an unprepared person will not be able to buy it, and the police do not shoot at suspicion, but prefer a gas mask and a bottle.
    2. +9
      22 May 2017 16: 13
      Quote: Engineer
      Here the author says that in the US crime is lower than in countries where weapons are prohibited. But the United States is killing with firearms more than in any other country.

      And you don’t think that this is for the reason that in this country the murder of a robber with self-defense is not considered a crime (unlike Russia)
      1. +2
        22 May 2017 19: 05
        Situation . Two neighbors quarreled. One another invites without witnesses to himself and kills there. There are no witnesses, the excuse is "he attacked me, I am on my private property." My home is my castle? Most of the killings at our place are not at the hands of bandits, but domestic showdowns. How many thousands of people will die? Apparently ten times more than it is dying at the hands of criminals now. If you are not saved by an injury, a shocker or just a stick, then a firearm will not save you either. But to kill is what you need. No lyrics needed. The weapon is designed to kill. So it should be treated.
        It’s useful to create special weapon rooms in the district police departments for arming any combatants, in which case, with their constant training. And to lay there not a short-barrel, but ordinary Kalash and RPK. Prescribe the number of the attached trunk to the soldier, shoot it and issue it if necessary. We get a good voluntary reserve. hi
        1. +3
          23 May 2017 07: 01
          Quote: g1v2
          There are no witnesses, the excuse is "he attacked me, I am on my private property"

          Do forensics exist for beauty?
        2. 0
          23 May 2017 18: 11
          And you don’t go to visit unfamiliar people, especially when you met recently and because of your fault he left the current hospital - you don’t catch a bullet, but if he went, then legalization is in your hand, shoot him there, take your soul)))
        3. 0
          24 May 2017 18: 35
          He can’t save the injury, it’s more a psychological weapon, a stick is more reliable. Here, the fact that the weapon is intended to kill is a fact. A citizen who has had a service pistol for decades will never take it out without the need to shoot - this is also a fact.
          ,
      2. +3
        22 May 2017 20: 48
        Quote: faridg7
        Do not you think

        Do you think a lot? Does the skull not press? You have the USA before your eyes ... Children are shot with toys, do you want the same? In schools, almost every year the execution, we will have much better ... A recent example from a trauma in the head shot at school.
        Here is also a good example, from tram scorching on the right and left.

        I definitely didn’t give people a short stay, as did automation.
        1. +13
          22 May 2017 21: 26
          Anyone who wants to kill will kill without a gun. And they cut a few people with a knife. This is all water. It’s you officials who are afraid of weapons in the hands of citizens !. Because if people have weapons, you will have to greatly reduce your arrogance and start working, rather than making money. It is the officials who are the main opponents of civilian weapons. And they will resist with all their might. The barrel in the hands can push only inadequacy to the exploits. So there’s enough commission like a driver’s. And the laws are normal. And so - gangsters in the trunks to the ears. The bureaucratic brotherhood - all the walls are hung. And let a simple peasant walk and shake.
          That is the whole issue.
          1. 0
            23 May 2017 02: 37
            There is an example before our eyes in the form of the USA, I think the issue of military weapons has been settled for a long time and forever;)
          2. 0
            23 May 2017 08: 52
            Quote: Stranger
            Anyone who wants to kill will kill without a gun. And they cut a few people with a knife. This is all water. It’s you officials who are afraid of weapons in the hands of citizens !. Because if people have weapons, you will have to greatly reduce your arrogance and start working, rather than making money. It is the officials who are the main opponents of civilian weapons. And they will resist with all their might. The barrel in the hands can push only inadequacy to the exploits. So there’s enough commission like a driver’s. And the laws are normal. And so - gangsters in the trunks to the ears. The bureaucratic brotherhood - all the walls are hung. And let a simple peasant walk and shake.
            That is the whole issue.

            ... cool comment-conclusion give a simple archery arrogant weapon, you have to decrease .. but if you do not decrease then start shooting?)))) Article 282 of the Criminal Code. RF
            1. 0
              23 May 2017 10: 25
              This is precisely what the bureaucratic brothers are afraid of.
        2. +5
          23 May 2017 04: 49
          we will be far more often


          Right now, in the hands of the population, more than 4 million smooth ones are suitable for executions at school many times better than the 9 mm short-barreled fart. And something is especially invisible, as in the USA there are no annual executions at school.
          1. +1
            23 May 2017 06: 38
            Quote: rait
            Right now in the hands of a population of more than 4 million smooth

            In 2013, there were just over 5 million. Now about 6. hi
            1. +2
              23 May 2017 11: 14
              This is the total number including rifled and rubber

              Here statistics are directly by category

              http://shmel-99.livejournal.com/154521.html

              In 2015, the number of smooth decreased to 3.3 million.
          2. +1
            23 May 2017 18: 35
            I agree . The smoothbore is much more slaughter and it’s impossible to understand what opponents of 9mm legalization are on their hands - they don’t know that we have several million holders of smooth-bore "shares"?)
        3. +2
          23 May 2017 13: 58
          Quote: Lightest
          Quote: faridg7
          Do not you think

          Do you think a lot? Does the skull not press? You have the USA before your eyes ... Children are shot with toys, do you want the same? In schools, almost every year the execution, we will have much better ... A recent example from a trauma in the head shot at school.
          Here is also a good example, from tram scorching on the right and left.
          I definitely didn’t give people a short stay, as did automation.

          In children with toys? but nothing that children with toys the size of a grown man? Isn’t it that children with toys, in response to the demands of the police, start waving these toys instead of obeying? Rastrel out of injury at school? inferior? this means the parents of a minor and, a dota, must sit down for not fulfilling the law on weapons (as well as a child).
          And firing from injuries to the right and to the left is because, firstly, it is almost impossible to identify the trunk by the remnants of the damaging elements (unlike the pistol). This is an almost perfect weapon for robbers - powerful, lethal, and not traceable. Here's what to ban.This is by the way about offenses involving injury. In addition, cases of self-defense are included in this statistics of yours (fallen left and right). And here the fun begins. The man who used the weapon in accordance with the law, does not flee from the scene, reports the incident to the police, calls an ambulance, provides first aid (now to the victim, what a turn it is!), finds himself in the isolation ward and on trial, and often in the prison cell, adding to your statistics. That's the insanity!
          And about the fact that we will have school shootings more often.
          We have a lot of weapons in the hands of the population, we can’t hear anything about the cannonade in schools. Because there is a system providing storage, use and, most importantly, PUNISHMENT FOR VIOLATIONS WHEN HANDLING WEAPONS. What will change if a short barrel appears in this system with a bullet-like fingerprint of the owner?
        4. +1
          23 May 2017 18: 18
          so you don’t have to give it - it hurts too emotional. Previously, this fucking injury could be bought at every corner, and so we get it. I believe that trauma should be prohibited - it is usually useless in the hands of a citizen, it is used either by stupid children or athletic guys who can cope with almost anyone without trauma - they are too lazy to see waving their fists, they are playing gangsters and shooting easy for him, so nonsense will fly out of my head once and for all
    3. AUL
      +12
      22 May 2017 16: 36
      Engineer
      When the second amendment was adopted in the USA at the end of the 18th century, which legalized the right to firearms for citizens, this never reduced the crime rate, for some reason) Shooting became commonplace on the street and more or less everything settled down, i.e. until the most zealous shot each other, not in one dozen years.
      Do you have statistics on this? Or is this your personal opinion based on a review of westerns?
      But the United States is killing with firearms more than in any other country. This author for some reason does not mention, or rather does not know.
      You "forgot" to mention which weapon they’re killing! From the legal one - a tiny percentage (I don’t remember exactly which one right now, but I read such statistics). But there (as, indeed, ours) there is a wide market for illegal trunks. They then kill the vast majority. And they also “forgot” to indicate how many crimes are prevented by citizens with legal trunks. And further. We have no problems with the acquisition of illegal weapons - a wide river flows from the Caucasus, from Central Asia, and now it has gone from Ukraine. And it is not law-abiding citizens who acquire it for self-defense, but criminals for attack. And the prohibitions are not for them. And we are against them - with bare fists and martial arts ...
      "With a kind word and a gun, you can do more than just a kind word!"
    4. +16
      22 May 2017 16: 45
      Quote: Engineer
      When the Second Amendment was adopted at the end of the 18 century in the USA

      When many thousands of years ago, Russia began to form as a state, no one could have thought of restricting a citizen in possession of weapons. And this situation continued until the 19 century, and in many sections of the population right up to the Great Patriotic War. As one contemporary writer drew attention - you take a book of 20-40 from that century and no, no, you see something there - Ivanov sat at Petrov’s house, and when it came time to go home, Ivanov asked Petrov for a gun. Because he left his home, and the streets are restless. And the good owner offered the guest a couple of three trunks to choose from. For what is this house without a personal weapon?
      Moreover. Carefully reading the materials of those years, again you see - there was a stable norm of behavior. Going on a trip abroad, or any other complex enterprise, a communist or a non-partisan appointee brought to the district committee ... his gun. Well or what. They say I'm leaving, and on the assignment they will give out an official. Can you imagine? No, you can’t imagine ...
      And suddenly it plummeted — to give arms to the Russian man in no way !! He is not ripe !! Three thousand years ripened, and suddenly from the 60 of that century became immature! Ugh ...
      1. 0
        24 May 2017 18: 23
        The answer is why a Russian citizen is not ripe for gun ownership: They will start terrorizing the collectors - they will get a bullet, they will break into the house - they will get a bullet, they will try to kill a child or rape their wife - they will get a bullet, they will try to steal a car - they will get a bullet, and such people will get a bullet the whole Criminal Code of the Russian Federation But what about the "roofing" of bandits. Only the naive believes that the law prevails in the Russian Federation.
        1. +2
          24 May 2017 19: 48
          You are welcome. Visit a psychiatrist. I beg you, without any irony and ridicule. You clearly have a borderline state, and the situation is alarming. You see, in all the situations you described, killing can happen right now, without any short-barrels. There is such a thing as a knife. Or a short crowbar (a really creepy thing). Only murders do not happen in a rampart.
          And you see in the trunk a certain, liberating darkness, magic wand. As if not a gun would be in the hands of people, but a black spell. You need to calm down, and you need help. True.
    5. +15
      22 May 2017 17: 19
      Quote: Engineer
      But the United States is killing with firearms more than in any other country. This author for some reason does not mention, or rather does not know.

      USA - 4,62 kills per 100
      Russia - 7,8 kills per 100
      UN data for 2012.
      Now you know how many are killed in the USA ...
      1. +12
        22 May 2017 18: 54
        very much affect the statistics as killings consider. We have a difference with the United States, in my opinion they believe there are those who died immediately, and we have everyone and those who immediately and those who are in the hospital! (if sclerosis cheats on me).
        I agree with the author of the article!
        I want to ask a question to those who say that weapons are in danger in inept hands!
        I have skillful hands, (army experience, others too), why shouldn't they be to me?
        1. +10
          22 May 2017 19: 11
          We have a difference with the United States, in my opinion they believe there are those who died immediately, and we have everyone and those who immediately and those who are in the hospital!


          You are confused. In Russia, if the victim died in the hospital, then the case immediately goes to the article "causing grievous bodily harm resulting in the death of the victim through negligence" and does not go into the statistics on the killings. Article 111.4. At the same time, this article is almost openly used to reduce statistics on murders; in it in the Russian Federation they are trying with all their might to throw off all the killings so as not to spoil the statistics.
          1. 0
            22 May 2017 19: 22
            may be!!! even most likely you are right. Thank you for the tip. I remember that there was some kind of sleight of hand with statistics, (I was interested in issues for a long time, so I forgot it !!!)
            when it’s allowed (and it’s allowed, because our gunsmiths need money, for new developments) I will buy a revolver !!!!
        2. +7
          22 May 2017 19: 37
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          I want to ask a question to those who say that weapons are in danger in inept hands!
          I have skillful hands, (army experience, others too), why shouldn't they be to me?
          Because they generalize and project their problems on everyone. It wouldn’t be possible to write: I, de, such an aunt that I can’t cope even if I don’t wet my shoes, I can’t arms, or I will shoot myself, or my neighbor through the wall, or the villains will take me away. No! They have all [i] [/ i] stupid.
        3. +3
          22 May 2017 20: 51
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          I have skillful hands, (army experience, others too), why shouldn't they be to me?

          Well, go get a hunting ticket, buy a pump-action, and in five years you can rifle. What problems?
          1. +10
            22 May 2017 21: 38
            but I don’t need a hunting ticket, I don’t like shooting animals (sorry), and I don’t need a pump action either, I don’t need a double-barreled shotgun, and I don’t need a rifle gun and I don’t need a long one, I don’t need a huge safe. I need weapons with which I can protect myself and others when needed, and not engage in disassembling weapons with stuffing shops, when for example a drunk tries to show his coolness !!!!
            1. +2
              22 May 2017 23: 13
              What can you and people like you just don’t understand the simple idea that they are trying to convey to you repeatedly: “to protect yourself and others when you need it” the presence of a pistol will help you, but you will be put in prison for exceeding your self-defense. It is not the interests of gunsmiths that need to be pushed through, but the normal law on self-defense that is adopted.
            2. 0
              23 May 2017 15: 34
              Quote: Kostya Andreev
              I do not need a huge safe

              Well, you don’t need a weapon either, I would like to buy a pump-action shotgun. It’s exactly nobody who will not let you walk the streets with a gun.
    6. +4
      22 May 2017 18: 59
      "But the United States is killing more with firearms than in any other country." Well this statement is very controversial. Just the opposite.
      1. 0
        24 May 2017 17: 53
        Why controversial, it is proved, but no one gives the number of dead and wounded when trying to commit a crime.
  4. +21
    22 May 2017 15: 34
    How many similar articles have already existed ... Before allowing the short-barrels, the law on self-defense must be put in order, without this there is no sense in legalization. In fact, in Russia (and not only in Russia), self-defense is now a criminal case. And the fact that many believe that with the free sale of weapons will increase the number of crimes seems far-fetched to me
    1. +2
      22 May 2017 16: 18
      I support, I’m ready to subscribe to every word (only by subscribing slightly would I correct the errors, in any case those that I saw feel )
      1. +1
        22 May 2017 16: 32
        Yeah, I have such a sinner feel
  5. +11
    22 May 2017 15: 41
    Again, nonsense about - "weapons, it's good."
    High standard of living = low crime.
    Low standard of living = high crime.
    Low standard of living + weapons = genocide.
    In order to end crime, it is necessary to increase the income of the population, this is the positive experience of any country that has gone this way.
    And all the talk about weapons, they say it is unnecessary to do anything in the economy, you only need to distribute weapons to people and there will be happiness from the evil one.
    1. AUL
      +9
      22 May 2017 16: 42
      And all the talk about weapons, they say it is unnecessary to do anything in the economy, you only need to distribute weapons to people and there will be happiness from the evil one.
      And what, someone poses a question like that? Distort, sir!
  6. +6
    22 May 2017 15: 47
    Yes, you’re tired already, Misha. Buy yourself a hunting ticket and play "shoot" from anything. Did not play enough chtoli in childhood? Give a little pistol, give a little pistol ... Kindergarten.
    1. 0
      23 May 2017 09: 24
      That is yes. This author here regularly posts his articles. Apparently has its own weapons warehouse, which wants to legally sell to everyone. So he advocates that a simple gopota also starts to wave its trunks on the street.
      An example of ordinary people:
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 18: 44
        I would get a bullet in the ass, I wouldn’t steal so brazenly. He here in the video still doesn’t give the guard a bag right away, he turns around, rot. In the USA it would lie and painted the sidewalk in red. But his friend would see this, would not let his other friends do it
        1. 0
          27 May 2017 19: 52
          Quote: Rustam Shafeev
          would get a bullet in the ass, would not steal so brazenly

          You are right, but a guard with a firearm or injured for such an object as an underpass is too much for the Russian Federation.
  7. +11
    22 May 2017 15: 49
    Why do Russians have the word "freedom" synonymous with the word "arbitrariness"? When, in fact, freedom is a medal on two sides: on the one hand, you are free to do whatever you want, but on the other hand, you are responsible for your actions. It’s self-evident, why do you have to constantly say it? Why, as soon as it comes to empowering citizens with the right to protect themselves, to independently provide their natural right to safetyrises howl?
    1. +3
      22 May 2017 16: 16
      For Russians, freedom means only freedom.
      This is freedom among gay people, this is permissiveness.
  8. +11
    22 May 2017 15: 53
    Mikhail Goldreer is right when he claims that a society that has the right to short-barreled rifled weapons will have a different attitude to the state, more demanding, and the current state administration in the person of officials will go bankrupt, and will be replaced by a more efficient one.
    I DO NOT agree with Mikhail Goldreer in that the hoplofob in the State Duma and the Government are not lobbyists for the interests of criminals. Lobbying, even lobbying: among the "deputies", and among officials, and among judges, and in "law enforcement agencies."
    1. +1
      22 May 2017 20: 07
      Sorry, but this statement is nonsense. The threat of firearms to a representative of the authorities is a matter of jurisdiction and CCW. What prevents to buy a shotgun and make a sawn-off shotgun now, without waiting for when the guns will go on sale? Nothing.
      It is naive to expect that a person having owned a smoothbore for 5 years, having spent a certain amount on the acquisition, will wave a gun in the official’s office.
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 18: 46
        I agree, not for this, getting a license, I went through bureaucratic hell
  9. +17
    22 May 2017 16: 15
    Again article on legalization. Then again and again I propose that the comments FOR leave people who:
    - already have civilian weapons (again, their adequacy is confirmed by a certificate :)).
    - really concerned about their safety, the safety of their friends and relatives.
    - measures are already being taken to ensure this security (at least at the level of the iron door, regular communication with the district police officer regarding the criminal situation in the area, etc., etc.).
    - they really understand that storing weapons and being able to use them are completely different things.
    - have the opportunity and are ready to regularly train in the use of weapons and spend time and money on it
    - are convinced that the existing law enforcement system cannot ensure their safety
    1. +6
      22 May 2017 16: 49
      I agree with you on all 1005000! because it comes to a joke: give up the barrel and USE! all crime will be defeated! yeah, how can crime be defeated only when it is NOT FAVORABLE to rob, steal and otherwise violate the law, and MUST NOT be more right! but it turns out like this: Vasya Pupkina takes a bruise under the eyes of three prikavshihsya for the gills only because this Vasya has a discharge in boxing, you type exceeded the limit of necessary self-defense (I have experience, I spat for a long time from the prosecutor’s office, accidentally breaking an alcoholic’s arm in the entrance of my own at home, when he began to pester his daughter), in order to avoid such incidents, is it necessary to completely change the legislation in the field or in the section? self defense. and in reply to Misha: well, they will allow the short-barrel, so what? how do you apply it? and to prove the need to use it is very difficult in our country. An example is the case with a student in Moscow, when a girl was given a real term for an injury, proving its unlawful use. my position has long been established: I am for the permission of the short-barrel, and for the prohibition of injuries, this is the worst thing that can be allowed! hi
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 03: 32
        Victor Demchenko and for the prohibition of injuries, this is the worst thing that can be allowed! hi

        In the periodicals and the "zombie box" a couple of years ago, the uncles said something about the prohibition of injuries, but then, somehow it all died down ...
    2. +1
      22 May 2017 21: 34
      The last point is getting into the top ten. everything else is water.
      Quote: tasha
      - are convinced that the existing law enforcement system cannot ensure their safety
    3. +1
      23 May 2017 14: 14
      Quote: tasha
      Again article on legalization. Then again and again I propose that the comments FOR leave people who:
      - already have civilian weapons (again, their adequacy is confirmed by a certificate :)).
      - really concerned about their safety, the safety of their friends and relatives.
      - measures are already being taken to ensure this security (at least at the level of the iron door, regular communication with the district police officer regarding the criminal situation in the area, etc., etc.).
      - they really understand that storing weapons and being able to use them are completely different things.
      - have the opportunity and are ready to regularly train in the use of weapons and spend time and money on it
      - are convinced that the existing law enforcement system cannot ensure their safety

      Damn it, every item is about me! Each!
  10. +4
    22 May 2017 16: 47
    Well, no, what for such a service! Now with the usual smooth-bore the maya has become 2 times larger and it is much more expensive (thanks to the piece of the Russian Guard that is responsible for it - there is no bottom for it) With a rifled pipe, I’m afraid to imagine what will happen to the pistols.
    If there is a right to own a pistol in our country, then it will never be civilian, since even a smooth citizen can’t afford it.
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 03: 29
      Marssik Yesterday, 16: 47
      Well, no, what for such a service! Now with the usual smoothbore, there are 2 times more

      What is the problem and in comparison with what period?
      and it’s much more expensive (thanks to the piece of the Russian Guard that is responsible for this - it’s not a bottom to it)

      How does ROSGUARD affect the pricing of firearms in the Russian Federation?
      With a threaded generally pipe

      Any new innovations that were not there before?
      the ordinary citizen, even smooth, can’t afford

      I'm in Odintsovo in the 2014 of "Saigu-20K" for 20 TR I bought, I don’t think it’s a lot of money, in the places of its production it is cheaper ....
    2. +1
      23 May 2017 13: 54
      Quote: Marssik
      Now with the usual smoothbore the maya has become 2 times larger and it is much more expensive

      What is that? Gave 2 TR for help and analysis, that would be done immediately and without queue, paid a fee as much as 10 p. and showed the trunk to reconcile numbers. All!!!
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 19: 24
        Quote: colonel
        Gave 2 TR for help and analysis, that would be done immediately and without queue

        But figs, one hospital in the region where we can take this analysis, so please wait three weeks until they do it. Then please study, and this is another 5 tr at least now. Buy a box, run down to the district police officer, so that he should look around and only then stomp into the store.
        In 2013, the whole procedure cost me 5 tr. including a certificate, study and mailbox. A friend half a year ago already at 12 tr. because you have to go already to the regional center for 200 km for reference.
        1. 0
          23 May 2017 20: 15
          Quote: Marssik
          Buy a box, run down to the district police officer, so that he should look around and only then stomp into the store.

          Do not believe it, I didn’t look at the precinct safe at all, I ...... brought him a copy of the passport to the safe, he believed ....
        2. +2
          24 May 2017 07: 47
          What is your area? In Stavropol - a day for medicine (paid) and access to the permit, which would show the trunk, day - search for the district police officer and a month waiting for a call from the permit (they called on Monday). All. The training, however, took place in 1996 wink .
          1. +1
            24 May 2017 20: 57
            Quote: colonel
            What is your area?

            Kirovskaya.
            Quote: colonel
            In Stavropol - a day for medicine (paid)

            I did not find it for free, we have a minimum of two or three weeks and all because of the narcologist.
            Quote: colonel
            The training, however, took place in 1996

            So it seems that from 2011 to 2013 they taught everything they could, but please, go to the shooting gallery, pay, click the tasks on the computer and only then you can.
  11. +19
    22 May 2017 16: 58
    Long-standing dispute. It is interesting that the deputies of the Duma of the previous convocation had several award trunks. And these were not military officers, but artists, businessmen, and others in general, “Needed” people. It got to the point that the head of the permit system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, speaking in front of them, asked him to moderate his ardor in acquiring trunks. I don’t think something has changed. In general, all these screams that they will shoot each other will be left to the screamers. First, let them answer the question that the law is about forced acquisition of weapons. No. Second, than a Russian is worse than a Latvian or Moldavian, etc. The third, judging by this logic and the number of illegal trunks on hand in Russia, we have long had to shoot each other. Fourth, why a rifled short barrel, a short barrel registered in a machine gun and cartridge case is more dangerous than an injury whose owner cannot be determined. In general, we have the simplest kitchen knife in the first place in terms of the number of victims. I didn’t want to get into this swara, but just humiliation of ordinary people was tired.
    1. +11
      22 May 2017 18: 25
      Here for the "ordinary people" is not worth it. How much is the injury now? About 25 thousand and above. How much will the battle cost if allowed? I think at least twice as much. Now tell me, "ordinary people", "grandmothers to protect against robbers" will be able to purchase them? Just do not say that with the sales shaft prices will fall. They will not fall, certainly on these products. And further. There are already many mines broken on this topic. And why the bulk of the inhabitants of Russia does not raise it? Yes, because they do not consider this problem relevant. Only adult "kids" who haven’t played enough in "war games" consider it relevant.
      1. +6
        22 May 2017 19: 28
        In the Caucasus, even feds distributed weapons in a shaft, including automatic ones, in some cases, well, they themselves fussed of course a house without a barrel is like an albino and now its shaft and the price is inexpensive, just a horse needs a gun and no slaves wink
        1. +7
          22 May 2017 19: 38
          About two weeks ago I "argued" with the same person as you on this subject. When he had no arguments left (Tyam didn’t have enough) he said for the lackeys. You are for slaves. How did you get it. At least go read books.
        2. +6
          23 May 2017 04: 52
          just a dzhigit needs a weapon and no slaves




          I give no comment.
          1. +4
            23 May 2017 06: 41
            And if you still show a photo of Ramzan’s weapons room, a simple question will arise: why would a Russian citizen put me in the trunk, but a Russian citizen Ramzan, no! Although I understand that Chechnya is considered to be Russia conditionally, our laws and procedures are almost not there.
          2. 0
            23 May 2017 15: 36
            Quote: rait
            just a dzhigit needs a weapon and no slaves


            I give no comment.

            Well, well, they will catch a horse with a weapon and will go far and for a long time to places where the forest is felled.
            1. +2
              23 May 2017 16: 23
              So here they caught! As many as three Dzhigits and not just anyone, but Zolotov himself. Well, where are these guys cutting down the forest? laughing Tell me the address, if I can, I’ll come and look at them and the remaining 70% (at best) of the population of Chechnya, who openly also keeps an illegal firearm and cold at home and periodically shoots it during the holidays.
          3. +1
            24 May 2017 19: 32
            Quote: rait
            just a dzhigit needs a weapon and no slaves


            I give no comment.


            rait, you and Banny, slaves ??? laughing From slavery write? laughing

            Just as you ... look around at the sight of Kadyrov and any other nokhchi, the British, too, pile up heaps at the sight of such photos


            Their comment "A student chooses an automatic weapon at the General Ermolov Cadet School"


            Their comment "Cadets learn to shoot with a sniper rifle"

            But the meaning of everything that in “dictatorial Russia all children are turned into soldiers”. laughing
            1. 0
              24 May 2017 20: 58
              Just as you ... look around at the sight of Kadyrov and any other nokhchi, the British, too, pile up heaps at the sight of such photos


              You know better.
      2. 0
        22 May 2017 20: 35
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Now tell me, "ordinary people", "grandmothers to protect against robbers" will be able to purchase them?

        And now what is buying up at 25 like hot cakes? belay
        1. +6
          23 May 2017 07: 51
          And what did you want to say?
      3. +1
        23 May 2017 03: 18

        3
        Knocking Yesterday, 18: 25 ↑
        Here for the "ordinary people" is not worth it. How much is the injury now? Approximately from 25-thousand and above.

        In the summer in Mytishchi for 12 TR bought (new), used and in the regions you can buy cheaper ....
        Now tell me, "ordinary people", "grandmothers to protect against robbers" will be able to purchase them?

        Enough for the grandmother and the electric shocker or pepper spray ....
        And why the bulk of the inhabitants of Russia does not raise it? Yes, because they do not consider this problem relevant. Only adult "kids" who haven’t played enough in "war games" consider it relevant.

        Partly you are right, however I bought my carbine because of the events on the Maidan ....
        1. +7
          23 May 2017 10: 32
          I do not know. My colleague’s work has a copy of Chzet, “Grand Power” in my opinion, now it costs such a thousand in the internet from 35 to 45.
          In what year and how many times it was used "as intended", based on the purpose of the purchase?
          1. +2
            23 May 2017 12: 03
            Knockin 'Today, 10: 32 ↑ New
            I do not know. My colleague’s work has a copy of Chzet, “Grand Power” in my opinion, now it costs such a thousand in the internet from 35 to 45.

            A good barrel (the best of injuries), I initially wanted to buy it, but then I thought that, unlike a carbine, I either would never use it or rarely, so I bought a Makarych, because even though the hand gets used to a weapon that looks like a military weapon, exercises with weapons without firing are of great importance, so that you get used to the metal from which you will shoot ....
            And now there are a lot of shooting galleries and shooting clubs / associations, not everyone is financially accessible really ...., but it's like with a / m there is no money for its operation, there is nothing to buy then ....
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    2. +1
      23 May 2017 03: 23
      tank64rus

      First, let them answer the question that the law is about forced acquisition of weapons. Not. Second, than a Russian is worse than a Latvian or Moldavian, etc. The third, judging by this logic and the number of illegal trunks on hand in Russia, we have long had to shoot each other.

      I completely agree, if there is no ban on a driver’s license, why there is a ban on short-range weapons .....
      Fourth, why a rifled short barrel, a short barrel registered in a machine gun and cartridge case is more dangerous than an injury whose owner cannot be determined.

      Although I have an injury, I would easily have forbidden it, a mean weapon ....
  12. +4
    22 May 2017 17: 10
    Liberman and Liberman stubbornly advocate for legalization: short-barrels, prostitution, drugs, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, etc. etc., hiding behind the concern for the freedom of man and humanity. And they never admit that they are working for the devil (a killer man from a century) preoccupied with a decrease in the population of the Earth by seven billion.
    The right to weapons is the right to kill.
    See the root, dear and we will not be soft clay in the wet hands of different legalizers.
    1. AUL
      +9
      22 May 2017 18: 11
      Liberman and Liberman stubbornly advocate for legalization: short-barrels, prostitution, drugs, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, etc. etc. pp
      Do not put everything in one heap, dear, if you argue, behave yourself with dignity. Do not obscure the essence of the issue.
      The right to arms is the right to self-defense of one’s life and dignity! The state does not want or cannot do this.
    2. +1
      23 May 2017 03: 12
      Quote: cedar
      The right to weapons is the right to kill.

      According to your logic, the right to drive a car is also murder, because a / m - an object of increased danger ...
  13. +12
    22 May 2017 17: 28
    Quote: Engineer
    But the United States is killing with firearms more than in any other country.



    Quote: Felix
    And law enforcement officers, in turn, will behave like American police officers - at any suspicion - shoot to kill


    In the United States, 2-3 African-Americans are completely legally killed every day by a police gun. There is no such thing in Russia so far, thank God.

    Yes, and aiming with a pistol is much more difficult than with a long barrel, here not only without serious preparation, but also without much experience, you can not do. And there are few such trained ones. So not only the laws will have to be changed, but also a lot more ...
  14. +5
    22 May 2017 17: 58
    It has already exceeded 50 and more and more often I find myself thinking that a short barrel is necessary, but because I live for a long time I understand how good it is that I do not have it, otherwise a small cemetery would have opened ...)
  15. +3
    22 May 2017 18: 09
    I divided these disadvantages into three types: economic, political and moral-psychological.
    ____________________
    There is at least one more motivation for those who fall into a natural faint at the thought of giving law-abiding citizens the right to acquire, store and carry the “short barrel” ... And it sounds exceptionally disarming - "And therefore !!!" And no explanation is required. Just because.
    1. Mwg
      +1
      22 May 2017 18: 55
      I am very sorry. And you, Clone, a clone of the author of the article? Is Ali just sympathetic?
  16. +7
    22 May 2017 18: 13
    Again "Misha"! Bye Bye!
  17. +14
    22 May 2017 18: 51
    Article plus. Opponents of the legalization of the short-barrel, as a rule, are those who benefit from the impossibility of the population to legally protect themselves from lawlessness and criminal attacks. In other words, these are people directly or indirectly associated with crime. Another category of such persons is the so-called "social Nazis", people who a priori believe that "the people in the country are not the same", but in fact, deeply alien to Russia and Russian culture.
    1. Mwg
      +4
      22 May 2017 19: 09
      In the garden of elderberry, in Kiev, uncle. How do you distinguish those who benefit from the impossibility of the population to legally protect themselves from lawlessness from those who are not profitable? What are the evaluation criteria? Personal opinion? And what is it based on? And what is the relationship between crime and the lack of the right to a short barrel? But "social Nazis" - this is strong ... You, my friend, do not write from Kiev by chance, with a saucepan on your head? the terminology is very similar to that of the newly made "euroopeics"
      1. +3
        23 May 2017 03: 06
        MVG Yesterday, 19: 09 ↑
        And what is the relationship between crime and the lack of the right to a short barrel?

        You contradict yourself, there is no connection, but there is a ban ....
  18. Mwg
    +3
    22 May 2017 18: 52
    Mikhail Markovich, judging by your perseverance in writing articles on the topic "how everything is bad without a gun," they pay a lot for the articles. I will write too, tell who to contact. Money is very necessary
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 03: 00
      Quote: MVG
      Mikhail Markovich, judging by your perseverance in writing articles on the topic "how everything is bad without a gun," they pay a lot for the articles. I will write too, tell who to contact. Money is very necessary

      I advise you to use the feedback from the site.
      By the way, appreciate, the publication here is free, but in the print media, you would have to fork out ....
  19. +3
    22 May 2017 19: 09
    Weapons must be loved! I can’t stand it when the gun is called the “barrel.” A man who loves his gun, revolver or carbine will never take the path of crime.
  20. +12
    22 May 2017 19: 21
    Quote: Shukshin
    Again, nonsense about - "weapons, it's good."
    High standard of living = low crime.
    Low standard of living = high crime.
    Low standard of living + weapons = genocide.
    In order to end crime, it is necessary to increase the income of the population, this is the positive experience of any country that has gone this way.
    And all the talk about weapons, they say it is unnecessary to do anything in the economy, you only need to distribute weapons to people and there will be happiness from the evil one.

    Sir! Here, read what I quoted to you below and, if you have a conscience, change your nickname. Not with your beliefs to have it.
    “I sat down and read a lot of youth newspapers. And there are many articles about hooligans and how to deal with them. Wai-wai-wai! .. What is there just not! And what is "necessary", and what "should", and what "are obliged" - to fight. How to fight? Well, let's be sober people. I'm going late at night. Meet - hooligans. I see that - hooligans. Worse - it seems the robbers. Now they will offer to remove the watch and suit. Now I will do a marathon in shorts. Well, if I'm not a timid guy? If I am ready not to bear humiliation? If, if ... They have knives and brass knuckles. They - "put". I'm not supposed to. And I am doing a marathon in shorts. I do not climb with my bare hands on the knives! And I am ashamed of myself, and I hate, and I hate ... the police. Not for the fact that she was not at that moment - she was not a witch, so that she could be at the scene of every call, because I had nothing at hand. I was so driven into my head that anyone who put the knife in his pocket is a criminal. Bully, robber - freedom! He knows that all the passers-by before him are sheep. He is with a knife. He can.
    Imagine another picture. Two go to meet one.
    - Take off your watch!
    Instead of a watch, a citizen takes a knife out of his pocket. Though unequal struggle, but - fair. Try to take them, this watch. Hours bite. Suppose the fight is over 0: 0. All three were taken to the police.
    “They wanted to take my watch!”
    - Where did you get the knife? Why?
    - Took just in case ...
    “You know what kind of cold weapons you wear ... We know.” We all know ...
    How can we eradicate hooliganism, if we have nothing to fight them off ?! It turns out: who took the knife, he and pan.
    And what if that was the case, who had the desire to take a knife and meet a belated passerby on the street, suddenly thought: “What if he has a knife too? “I guarantee: 50 percent would leave this thought. Of the remaining half - decisive - half would have taken the legs in their hands. "

    (Published in the collection Shukshin V. Morality is the truth. M., 1979).
    1. 0
      23 May 2017 02: 56
      trak

      And what if that was the case, who had the desire to take a knife and meet a belated passerby on the street, suddenly thought: “What if he has a knife too? “I guarantee: 50 percent would leave this thought. Of the remaining half - decisive - half would have taken the legs in their hands. "

      It would be an axiom if all owners of knives (with the same characteristics) would have the skills of knife fighting ....
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  23. +6
    22 May 2017 23: 05
    Imagine a man driven to despair by injustice! Officials and crime are well aware of who the weapons are really threatening, so they will lay down their bones, but will stand against the weapons to the end.
  24. +1
    23 May 2017 02: 36
    Quote: Vasily50
    Before the Khrushchev coup in the Soviet Union, hunting rifles and carbines were sold upon presentation of a passport. Without permission and safe.

    so then people believed, and now ... By the way, and not from this ban, did the birth of modern "effective managers" begin in power? When they believed in their heavens, residence and impunity.
  25. kig
    0
    23 May 2017 02: 42
    Such weapons can not be given out to residents of the capital, at least to those who spend most of their lives driving. They are well managed by the existing traumatic.
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 02: 51
      kig Today, 02: 42
      Such weapons can not be given to residents of the capital

      Especially when you consider that they are residents of the capital on a passport, but were born on some collective farm "40 years without a crop" ....
  26. 0
    23 May 2017 06: 03
    On the topic of whether it is worth injecting short water for the population, Puchkov (Goblin) very intelligibly explained, search on YouTube ...
  27. +6
    23 May 2017 07: 09
    I worked for several years in a private security company. We were sent for a license. The right to wear and use the short barrel. So the instructor said: carry a knife with you. If you shoot, then right away “roll your fingers”, otherwise you won’t be bothered. The gun creates the illusion of safety for a non-professional. But the pros know that the gun needs constant training. An example is given in the article: a bunch of scumbags burst into the apartment and they need to be met with dignity, with a gun in his hand. This example makes me smile. And questions: 1. Why did you open the door? Or did the gang start breaking the door with a wild roar? What does this gang want from you? They will not break into all kagal: the throughput of the door will not allow. So, the first one can be "sip" "accidentally" by the overflowing reinforcement. (Now someone will say, here’s a "sofa theorist", I would like to go there. I will answer - there was everything). We go further. Bandiuk, wiping sweat and snot, breaking the door. You stand with your arms clasped in the maba stand (she’s also a kiba-dachi, she’s also the rider’s pose), as it is described in Potapov’s magnificent book “Pistol shooting techniques. Practice SMERSH” and wait. The "first frame" appears in the opening. You shoot and get into the neighbor who came from the lower floor to see what kind of noise. So what?
    1. +4
      23 May 2017 12: 07
      Oleko! There are thousands of options for disarming a person. But, if civilian weapons can save at least a dozen lives of law-abiding citizens, it must be used. Indeed, not all criminals act in concert, having worked to the smallest detail, who does what. Sometimes the victims of the attack begin to torment to give the hidden good. And in this case, the short barrel can very well save human lives. After all, a pistol may be hidden next to the cache and shooting to open will open.
      Our laws of self are now written for endured. First get yours, and then, if you stay alive, go and prove how you were badly done. The state will “surely” punish the guilty if it catches them of course. And, if they do not have significant patrons))
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 13: 28
        Thank Arkady Gaidar A man who has been training the “internal” Wushu style for 27 years (Tai Ji “108th form”, coached by Bruce Lee) sees the world and people in a different way. I am 66. I dropped out of my age clip. Therefore, I will not advise people to hit the nose in an arc with the point of Lao Gong of the palm, in order to break the scallop cartilage in the nose, break the blood vessels and fill the nasopharynx with the суп adversary ’blood. fist (tsuan), but not a "special forces" fist, a very good and effective thing, but here it does not apply and the blow "piling" is struck in an arc: the nose bridge breaks, the jaw breaks or the clavicle breaks. A broken clavicle is a wild pain)
        1. +2
          23 May 2017 14: 23
          Oleko, please. Business then)) The question in this article is about self-defense with weapons and why the authorities are so "bonding" with it. Naturally, a well-trained person is able to give back to three armed men. About "since such a booze has gone," I can add a "boxing frame of reference." And it’s probably worth starting, why do boxers don’t break bricks, boards and everything else? After all, it is so widely represented in many eastern and local systems. Well, that’s almost nothing adds to melee skills. A small component of strength and resistance to stress. But a significant amount of valuable time is spent training and acquiring practical experience in fights. In the process of which you can improve technically and tactically. In addition, most of the eastern systems, it is rather a kind of healthy lifestyle and physical education. Naturally, built on combat skills. After all, at all times, a person needed the ability to stand up for himself and loved ones. But, in addition to professional fighters, ordinary people spend about 5% of their life time in battles. And in the rest of the period they are busy creating something and making a living. Thus, the component of maintaining health comes first.
          Secondly, why do boxers beat with their fists, and not with their palms? After all, with a palm strike, the entire striking structure is reduced by at least one joint (carpal joint). That means the palm strike itself is often more effective. Here the answer is even simpler: Boxing sports (as apparently modern types of sports), this is primarily a sight. Where one athlete proves to another, in the presence of judges and spectators, that he is better prepared. Goals to cripple, or kill, are not set. Therefore, protective equipment is used. And the punch itself gives + 10 cm in the length of the punch. That is why the full contact karate that arose in the USA in the 60 of the last century, already in the 70 of the same century, turned into kickboxing, which we know today.
          But returning to the topic of this article, it is possible to defend oneself most effectively against the attack of criminals with the help of weapons! There are many videos on this subject on the Internet. It is weapons and determination in its use that most often save people and their property from armed and several criminals.
          but in our country, on the topic of such self-defense so far a complete failure))
    2. 0
      23 May 2017 14: 16
      Quote: Oleko
      The "first frame" appears in the opening. You shoot and get into the neighbor who came from the lower floor to see what kind of noise.

      Is the neighbor mentally disabled? In another way, its appearance is difficult to explain.
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 14: 55
        Quote: Dart2027
        Is the neighbor mentally disabled? In another way, its appearance is difficult to explain.
        May be so. But I mean, the example is clearly contrived. Came just like that? Apparently, I am far from life. I live in Baltiysk. The wife said: adult men are not beaten here. Then it dawned that the rebuff could be very powerful and skilled. there have been cases. They ran into either a marine or a saboteur.
        1. 0
          23 May 2017 17: 10
          Quote: Oleko
          there have been cases. They ran into either a marine or a saboteur

          This is what they are talking about - they are afraid to run into a rebuff. Another thing is that you won’t send everyone to the special forces.
    3. +1
      23 May 2017 14: 47
      Quote: Oleko
      You shoot and get into the neighbor who came from the lower floor to see what kind of noise. So what?

      Somehow you deny your neighbor the mind and sense of self-preservation, and my ability to shoot at the target (by the way, before receiving a certificate of training in using weapons, I proved by deed that from 5 meters I can put ALL THREE of three bullets into the chest target)
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 23: 06
        Quote: faridg7
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        faridg7

        Today, 14: 47











        Quote: OlekoVy shoot and get into a neighbor who came from the lower floor to see what kind of noise. So, how do you deny your neighbor the mind and sense of self-preservation, and my ability to shoot at the target (by the way, before receiving a certificate of training in handling weapons, I proved by deed that from 5 meters I can put ALL THREE of three bullets)

        1. Not my neighbor.
        2. Neighbors are with senile senility.
        3. I can’t refuse to shoot at targets at the shooting range and I won’t do it, but I’m able to work in a stressful situation when almost FSB special forces break into the apartment, but you need to get the keys to the safe, open it, remove the gun from the cabaret cock it, it will take precious seconds, so this skill needs to be tested. With respect to your knowledge and skills.
        1. +1
          24 May 2017 15: 37
          Quote: Oleko
          but the ability to work in a stressful situation, when almost special forces of the FSB break into the apartment,

          Well, if it comes to the FSB special forces, then I will have little chance, this is understandable, but! even in this case, the guys will have problems. Because (I quote a post from the discussion of this article)
          Quote: tasha
          Then again and again I propose that the comments FOR leave people who:
          - already have civilian weapons (again, their adequacy is confirmed by a certificate :)).
          - really concerned about their safety, the safety of their friends and relatives.
          - measures are already being taken to ensure this security (at least at the level of the iron door, regular communication with the district police officer regarding the criminal situation in the area, etc., etc.).
          - they really understand that storing weapons and being able to use them are completely different things.
          - have the opportunity and are ready to regularly train in the use of weapons and spend time and money on it
          - are convinced that the existing law enforcement system cannot ensure their safety

          So this is ABOUT ME. And now for the points:
          - I have civilian weapons (smoothbore, semi-automatic)
          - Concerned about family safety (but not to paranoia)
          - entrance to the square. replaced by an iron door (double with bolts around the perimeter), the construction of which implies the creation of problems in penetration, even with the help of detonation. Well, the intercom, and more ...
          - I regularly train in firing from my weapons and force my family to do it (although the word “force” is not entirely appropriate here, it most likely refers to a spouse - she reluctantly knocks 20-25 out of 30 out of a gun),
          well this
          Quote: Oleko
          because you need to get the keys to the safe, open it, remove the gun from the cabaret, cock it, it will take precious seconds, so this skill needs to be tested

          While they will open my door (believe me, even specialists will have problems with this) I will have time to open the safe. Take the gun out of its holster? why hold it in a holster in a safe? The gun lies in the safe with the shutter allotted for the delay (the gun is discharged as required by law, the cartridges in the magazine separately, as required by law), insert the magazine into the gun and remove it from the delay-second. So far, I also have my murka stored, the production time is at least 55 seconds, but I work with it.
          but he said, and I will continue to say, the smooth-bore should not be a weapon of self-defense, it is inconvenient and dangerous (to turn them in a small apartment is still a balancer). To do this, there should be a short trunk with a good stopping effect (injuries cannot fall into this category by default).
          1. 0
            24 May 2017 21: 38
            What are all these preparations for? You have a serious and thoughtful preparation. (Question: will the spring not weaken when the shutter is allotted?). If you want to take the pros, then you just pump sleep gas through the keyhole, a light-pressure grenade is thrown into the broken window, but the pros will not take you. You are a fan of the gun. Real rifled weapons. You need it like air. I am not kidding. A gun (and not a short barrel, a middle barrel, a long barrel - they will come up with it) will open up new facets of your self in you and lead you to perfection
            1. 0
              25 May 2017 01: 21
              Quote: Oleko
              What are all these preparations for?

              I do not know yet. Why in March1997, on a flight of stairs in front of my platform, they put a banner with RGD-5?
              Quote: Oleko
              a light-barren grenade is thrown into a broken window,

              There will be problems with this too, I have triplex in the windows
              Quote: Oleko
              Question: Will the spring not weaken with the allotted shutter?
              Spring - part is replaceable and costs a penny
          2. +1
            25 May 2017 11: 58
            Quote: faridg7
            Quote: Oleko
            but the ability to work in a stressful situation, when almost special forces of the FSB break into the apartment,

            Well, if it comes to the FSB special forces, then I will have little chance, this is understandable, but! even in this case, the guys will have problems. Because (I quote a post from the discussion of this article)
            Quote: tasha
            Then again and again I propose that the comments FOR leave people who:
            - already have civilian weapons (again, their adequacy is confirmed by a certificate :)).
            - really concerned about their safety, the safety of their friends and relatives.
            - measures are already being taken to ensure this security (at least at the level of the iron door, regular communication with the district police officer regarding the criminal situation in the area, etc., etc.).
            - they really understand that storing weapons and being able to use them are completely different things.
            - have the opportunity and are ready to regularly train in the use of weapons and spend time and money on it
            - are convinced that the existing law enforcement system cannot ensure their safety

            So this is ABOUT ME. And now for the points:
            - I have civilian weapons (smoothbore, semi-automatic)
            - Concerned about family safety (but not to paranoia)
            - entrance to the square. replaced by an iron door (double with bolts around the perimeter), the construction of which implies the creation of problems in penetration, even with the help of detonation. Well, the intercom, and more ...
            - I regularly train in firing from my weapons and force my family to do it (although the word “force” is not entirely appropriate here, it most likely refers to a spouse - she reluctantly knocks 20-25 out of 30 out of a gun),
            well this
            Quote: Oleko
            because you need to get the keys to the safe, open it, remove the gun from the cabaret, cock it, it will take precious seconds, so this skill needs to be tested

            While they will open my door (believe me, even specialists will have problems with this) I will have time to open the safe. Take the gun out of its holster? why hold it in a holster in a safe? The gun lies in the safe with the shutter allotted for the delay (the gun is discharged as required by law, the cartridges in the magazine separately, as required by law), insert the magazine into the gun and remove it from the delay-second. So far, I also have my murka stored, the production time is at least 55 seconds, but I work with it.
            but he said, and I will continue to say, the smooth-bore should not be a weapon of self-defense, it is inconvenient and dangerous (to turn them in a small apartment is still a balancer). To do this, there should be a short trunk with a good stopping effect (injuries cannot fall into this category by default).


            Kindergarten ..... thanks ... laughed laughing
            May I ask about your profession? Why am I asking? Because you wrote utter nonsense, other than usual for an amateur who believes that with a gun he will defeat the whole planet. As a former criminal investigator, I worked for 14 years in the territorial department, in the district administration in the criminal police, as the head of the department, 10 of them in the MUR and it was through robberies and robberies. So .... No one will break into your door from crooks. They simply “accept” your daughter or son or wife at the entrance or exit from the apartment, put a knife or gun to his head to his throat. So what? In this case, too, run to the safe for a gun. I doubt it. And you’ll give the money back and the gun and p .... you’ll get it and it’s good if they don’t kill you or any of your relatives.

            And about the confrontation with special forces, from which, according to your plan, the railway would supposedly protect. the door and the type of triplex on the windows - this is generally utter nonsense .... they will rest very quickly.
            1. +1
              25 May 2017 14: 05
              Quote: Oleg Monarchist
              And about the confrontation with special forces, from which, according to your plan, the railway would supposedly protect. the door and the type of triplex on the windows - this is generally utter nonsense .... they will rest very quickly.

              In this scenario, I repeat, I have little chance, but there will be problems. In addition, communicating with people from SOBR, I know that they will break into an apartment with weapons only if they know that there is no other way to see the owner’s eyes. In all other cases, they will politely knock and offer to open introducing themselves.
              Quote: Oleg Monarchist
              They simply “accept” your daughter or son or wife at the entrance or exit from the apartment, put a knife or gun to his head to his throat.

              Mine do not leave the apartment without looking at the camera. This is a proven habit, as in the mirror to look before leaving
            2. +1
              25 May 2017 14: 11
              Quote: Oleg Monarchist
              May I ask about your profession?

              Sorry, forgot to answer. I'm a car mechanic.
    4. +1
      24 May 2017 21: 12
      Tried to take you seriously exactly up to this point

      Bandiuk, wiping sweat and snot, breaking the door. You stand with your arms clasped in the maba stand (she’s also a kiba-dachi, she’s also the rider’s pose), as it is described in Potapov’s magnificent book “Pistol shooting techniques. Practice SMERSH” and wait. The "first frame" appears in the opening. You shoot and you get into the neighbor who came from the lower floor to see what kind of noise. So what?


      What kind of private security company did you work with and with such a short barrel that your weapon could easily pierce the body of one person, in our case, at least one bandit who is standing in the opening and then injure the person behind him? I don’t even ask the question why the neighbor went up one level with the bandits, seeing that they are bandits and breaking the door and why the bandits so calmly took this because it is a direct witness. No, this is not the most illogical in your message. What was your caliber short-barrel that he is capable of such? This is based on the fact that you really worked in a private security company with a short barrel as you write, and after such a passage I very much doubt it. Or gallant bandits let a neighbor pass ahead and she’s standing in the opening, not a bandit lol ?

      Well and further on the little things

      So, the first one can be "sip" "accidentally" by the overflowing reinforcement


      The biggest mistake. If possible, never make direct physical contact with the attacker (especially if there are several), because even if your physical capabilities are at the same level, there is an element of chance in this. Well, let's say you hit a bandit in the head with an armature (not a fact), even punched his head ... only this does not guarantee a loss of combat effectiveness and after that he can throw himself at you, and given that there is one more you will most likely be beaten "by situation" which you do not own. Thus, instead of holding back bandits at a distance without even giving you the opportunity to inflict any damage, instead of as soon as possible "stop contact" you suggest playing a hero, playing Russian roulette "I’ll get in, I won’t get it, I’ll cut it, I won’t I’ll cut down "and myself" run into the arms "to the attackers. And if you are physically weaker, well, let's say your back is sore and you are not very strong and not very fast, then the risk is even greater. But there is a second, you still have to stop it. There may not even be enough time for a swing. And if there are 30 people like them in one village called Gypsy? Do you also suggest to accept all fittings?

      You, as an alleged employee of a private security company, should have known this, held in theory, perhaps even encountered in practice. These are common truths. But you do not know them and offer something really like a couch theorist that looks cool in action movies, but in fact it is incredibly dangerous and simply meaningless.
      1. 0
        25 May 2017 21: 48
        I interpreted the stupidity that is written in the article. AB-security, Cartes-security freed from pistols, trouble with them a full wagon. And you bought my promises. I’ve been a long time ago not an employee of ChOP. Did you seriously believe about the fittings? Or gangsters who break an iron door?
        1. +1
          25 May 2017 22: 44
          Did you seriously believe about the fittings? Or gangsters who break an iron door?


          You know better, because you wrote about the fittings, the breaking of the iron door (there is nothing unrealistic in this, especially if the keys are clever) and the short-barreled bullet pierces through the bandit's torso and goes into the grandmother standing behind him.

          I’ll ask you right away: Perhaps you have confused PM with your regular AKM? The endings are similar, the AKM sheath, even more so at close range, is precisely capable of a through wound with further damage.
  28. +1
    23 May 2017 09: 06
    Quote: Bath
    ....... just a dzhigit needs a weapon and no slaves wink

    ..yes, my friend, a psychosomatic disorder: "Dzhigita syndrome" (cowboy syndrome) is called, any weapon other than a wooden saber is contraindicated to you
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  30. 0
    23 May 2017 11: 12
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    And the weapon - ask any owner of the weapon, he will answer you that it is very disciplining.

    I agree and I think that when legalizing a short barrel 90% of the time, it will be at home in a safe with 90% of the owners ...
    1. +2
      23 May 2017 12: 37
      yeah. schazzz ... every second in the car from bits to saigas is lying around. the discipline is still that.
  31. +2
    23 May 2017 11: 25
    Quote: Viktor Demchenko
    my position has long been established: I am for the permission of the short-barrel, and for the prohibition of injuries, this is the worst thing that can be allowed!


    It is interesting that in the United States in many states there is a ban on injury, you want to take a weapon.
    I believe that trauma should be prohibited, many do not adequately evaluate it ..
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  32. 0
    23 May 2017 11: 29
    Again this Goldreer, and again the arguments sucked from the finger at the level: who is with me - that hero, who is against - an inferior person.
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 15: 04
      What will prove that the arguments of the author are sucked from the finger, and your statements are not petty slander?
      1. 0
        24 May 2017 21: 30
        What will prove that you are not Mikhail Goldreer?
        1. 0
          25 May 2017 23: 14
          Well, my dear! I have no more questions for you ... you would have a doctor, a psychologist. Believe me, I do it without any mockery, sincerely.
          1. 0
            26 May 2017 01: 00
            Classmates there →
  33. 0
    23 May 2017 11: 30
    Quote: Marssik
    Well, no, what for such a service! Now with the usual smooth-bore the maya has become 2 times larger and it is much more expensive (thanks to the piece of the Russian Guard that is responsible for it - there is no bottom for it) With a rifled pipe, I’m afraid to imagine what will happen to the pistols.

    And what is the problem, now with the introduction of public services, in general it has become easier than it was 2 years ago, I was surprised that I got the license for the rifled within 2 days after sending the application and copies of documents through the public services (on the Internet). The only narcologist passed (the certificate is valid for a month), and the medical board was re-registered (every 5 years)
  34. +2
    23 May 2017 11: 42
    And why should our government think that people can protect themselves, because they already have security!
    What about the people? Yes, to hell with him, with the people ... Women still give birth. That is what our government thinks!
    Therefore, in the election, see who you vote for, so you don’t bite your elbows later !!!
  35. +4
    23 May 2017 11: 44
    Owning a weapon and using it to protect yourself and your loved ones is a holy right of true citizens. But it is impossible to hope for the protection of the police, just as it is impossible to assign an armed police officer to every citizen. The police are investigating the crimes that have already been committed, but I really do not want to become a victim of a crime. Therefore, I am thrice for arming law-abiding citizens and for the right to defend myself. At the same time, the punishment for illegal possession of weapons should be tightened. Now I am extremely surprised by the calm reaction of the police. when at the weddings of Caucasians scorched from machine guns! Is this a legal weapon? Why not plant the owners and those who supplied them with these weapons?
    1. +4
      23 May 2017 14: 34
      From an old joke:
      - Why do you need to carry a gun with you?
      - Because carrying an armed police officer is harder.
      Not very funny, but right.
      It is much funnier that the power-holders, on whom the decision to legalize civilian weapons depends, are fully armed and not civilian.
      1. +1
        25 May 2017 15: 11
        Moreover, among the "power-holders"% of those who have been reported committing criminal offenses are much higher than the average for Russia, I am still silent about their disinhibited children.
  36. +4
    23 May 2017 11: 56
    The author is largely right, but dictating his conditions to an armed citizen is much more difficult than unarmed. Remember the recent dashing 90, when people were evicted from their homes and apartments with the use of police, since the site is intended for new construction, and the proposed conditions do not suit the residents.
    After all, it was such that people were offered apartments somewhere in the outskirts, where normal roads were not laid, clinics, kindergartens and shops were not built. Those who refused were cut off gas, water and light, and subsequently bailiffs and police came to "help" move.
    Power is always concerned about its benefits))
  37. +1
    23 May 2017 12: 11
    Quote: shtatsov
    And if you still show a photo of Ramzan’s weapons room, a simple question will arise: why would a Russian citizen put me in the trunk, but a Russian citizen Ramzan, no! Although I understand that Chechnya is considered to be Russia conditionally, our laws and procedures are almost not there.

    Russian laws in Chechnya apply when you need to get money from the first for the second lol
  38. +3
    23 May 2017 12: 35
    I will repeat and will repeat. give weapons in our country can only be specialists. only. I personally have already been squeezed out of an injury in a normal traffic situation. if this person had a gun barrel I would not be alive.
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 14: 55
      Quote: cariperpaint
      I will repeat and will repeat. give weapons in our country can only be specialists. only. I personally have already been squeezed out of an injury in a normal traffic situation. if this person had a gun barrel I would not be alive.

      And who attacked whom? , if the application of the injury was unlawful, did the applicator sit down?
      1. +3
        23 May 2017 15: 02
        ordinary accident. no, I didn’t sit down. and so well received. this is not the case.
        1. 0
          23 May 2017 15: 19
          Quote: cariperpaint
          no, I didn’t sit down. and so well received. this is not the case.

          In that. It is precisely the observance of the law. Used weapons contrary to the law, must be punished by law. Otherwise, cries begin that it is impossible to give weapons to the population — they will shoot each other.
          1. +3
            23 May 2017 17: 34
            It’s all about the reason. the consequences are of little concern to me. if he had a repeat of the gun barrel for me then it was all purple. weapons say people discipline ... well, well
            1. 0
              24 May 2017 15: 59
              Today we discussed your posts, colleagues made the following conclusions:
              He left the direct answer to the question “who attacked whom”, plus
              Quote: cariperpaint
              no, I didn’t sit down. and so well received
              but
              Quote: cariperpaint
              I personally have already been squeezed out of an injury in a normal traffic situation

              Most likely, when he got into an accident, he went on to find out "who is to blame" with his fists, the opponent, after suffering losses, took up the injury in self-defense, applied it, (the police did not have any questions to the defended), and now the person who got injured has a persistent aversion to the idea that the opponent could defend himself as well, and now, before you go to prove something to the opponent on the road, you have to think, because they can even come up with weapons (if do not ban it)
              That's something like this, then a collective thought.
  39. +3
    23 May 2017 12: 42
    I don’t know how to write articles .. I will express myself like this: Legalization of a short-barrel in Russia is a two-edged sword from different positions ..
    1. Periodically they say they say in the USA like that. But no one writes how it started there .. and how many died, including from showdowns.
    2. Are there many organizations that will teach the CORRECT Weapon Handling (not formally but normal).
    2.1 Do citizens know about the existence of such institutions ?!
    2.2. If you compare with driving schools .. Better NOT to LEGALIZE.
    3. Regarding the laws: There is no such thing as the law "my house is my castle" with the right to shoot. From the beginning, it is necessary to think over and make a specific legal base - then LEGALIZE
    3.1 The laws that now exist .. something far from always trying to execute them or to circumvent profitably ...
    Here in the article it was written about the protection of the house, garage, car .. With the house, of course. I didn’t decide on the garage, from the beginning I need to decide on the car .. So about the car, my property ...
    4.1 It is stolen but the car owner is NOT in the car .. What should the car owner do? life threat is not present !? but it’s kind of how to stop the violation (so that it’s legal): Shoot the air ?, And if the return line doesn’t even fly into the air ?, then there is a threat if you can already shoot to kill ... but it turns out he provoked the threat (with subsequent liability in court ) And if it’s at night .. (law on silence after 11 hours)?
    4.2 He is stolen but the car owner In the car .. What should the car owner do? threat of life let's say there is !?
    according to the law, the weapon must be discharged .. And the criminal .. especially if the barrel is already aimed at you ...
    How can the short barrel help you? ... Well, you obeyed and got out of the car giving the keys .. The criminal went .. and you make a stealth to catch up? Will you hit the wheels? THE QUESTION IS OPEN .. In the rear window .. maybe there will be a murder and YOU will sit 100% (your life was not threatened after the car was stolen). And it’s not the fact that the criminal will not force you to give your trunk, but with heroism, he’ll shoot his leg just in case ...

    "" "It’s disadvantageous for me, for example. Request Because I wouldn’t trust a weapon to anyone who advocates the legalization of the short barrels on the site. And I really don’t want these people to have lethal weapons. Idiots with injuries are enough." ""
    PS Injuries would be able to defend correctly, for starters ...
    1. +2
      23 May 2017 13: 12
      vfwfr Today, 12: 42
      2. Are there many organizations that will teach the CORRECT Weapon Handling (not formally but normal).

      I can give a link in Moscow
      True, they need permission to weapons, without this, no one will talk to you .....
      2.1 Do citizens know about the existence of such institutions ?!

      All information on the Internet is available .....
      PS Injuries would be able to defend correctly, for starters ...

      The owners of these weapons are mostly calm, because They believe that everyone with this weapon will be scared, or vice versa it is not lethal, therefore they do not bother themselves with the skills of handling it .....
      For the rest, I agree with everything, it’s strangely simple, the population of the most warring country in the world does not own a culture of handling weapons .... all the gouging turns out ...
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 15: 57
        "The owners of these weapons are mostly calm ..." - and the owners of the gunshot will not be calm and will run to acquire skills in handling weapons?
        1. +1
          23 May 2017 19: 07
          Quote: Anna1990
          "The owners of these weapons are mostly calm ..." - and the owners of the gunshot will not be calm and will run to acquire skills in handling weapons?

          I agree with your irony. It is necessary to inculcate an obligation to acquire such skills at the legislative level ....
          In the end, it’s all the same and now everyone should undergo training in knowledge of theory and practice .... and after 5 years they should confirm it again, apparently for short-barrels the training should be stronger and more intense ....
          1. +3
            24 May 2017 17: 20
            Nonsense, if you’ve been carrying weapons for more than a dozen years, you will never get it without need, but only for a shot. All these “retraining” are necessary for the withdrawal of money from the law-abiding population. There are no "former": military, police, and other security officials; there is no - skills remain for life.
            1. +1
              24 May 2017 17: 56
              d.gksueyjd Today, 17: 20 ↑
              Nonsense, if you’ve been carrying weapons for more than a dozen years, you will never get it without need, but only for a shot.

              And in order to have time to get (use) and shoot (use) weapons, do not you need skills, but skills in shooting and accuracy of hitting or in your opinion is simply enough
              more than a dozen years "carry" weapons
              ?
              All these “retraining” are necessary for the withdrawal of money from the law-abiding population.

              Partly yes (and for the complacency of "Soviet power" that all are literate) ....
              There are no "former": military, police, and other security officials; there is no - skills remain for life.

              And make some cop (including opera) to completely disassemble and assemble the AK, unpleasantly surprised, I think ....
      2. +2
        23 May 2017 18: 55
        1. No offense .. But Moscow is a separate state in the state .. with its capabilities and infrastructure .. which is oh *** but differs from the whole country as a whole.
        2. "" All information on the Internet is available .. "" Far from always relevant or valid ..
        2.1. And what is the real shooting club in my city (for civilians) ... I accidentally found out ... on February 23)) ...
        3. I don’t have a trunk, and I feel great ... but when I get a trunk in my hands, ** ** I .. it annoys ..
        3.1 Legalization will not save you from an attack in a crowd, in an elevator .. or even where .. But suffer from (see paragraph 3)
  40. +2
    23 May 2017 12: 55
    PSS is precisely marked.
    "" "Again, nonsense about -" weapons, that's good. "
    High standard of living = low crime.
    Low standard of living = high crime.
    Low standard of living + weapons = genocide.
    In order to end crime, it is necessary to increase the income of the population, this is the positive experience of any country that has gone this way.
    And all the talk about weapons, they say it is unnecessary to do anything in the economy, you just have to hand out weapons to people and there will be happiness from the evil one. "" "
    1. 0
      23 May 2017 15: 01
      Well, to you from the evil one, in England and especially in Australia, the incomes of the population compared to Russia are high simply prohibitive, and the crime is something “not finished” ... Moreover, after they introduced bans on personal weapons, crimes against the person have grown in number many times. I'm interested. Did you know and hide it, or did you simply not bother to study the topic that you started to talk about?
      1. +1
        24 May 2017 17: 11
        And not only in England, there are several more developed countries in which self-defense is banned and crime has increased significantly.
    2. +1
      23 May 2017 15: 51
      Low standard of living + weapons = genocide
      With a low standard of living, of course, you will first of all buy a trunk for 20t.r. because it’s such a pittance that you won’t take a burger and you won’t buy milk. Yeah, and you’re going to shoot the same poor ... so that they can put pennies on their cartridges.
      1. 0
        24 May 2017 17: 09
        In the criminal regions of the Russian Federation, citizens do not eat up, but buy illegal, to protect their families, because the state can not ensure their safety.
    3. 0
      24 May 2017 17: 14
      The income of the population will increase, the appetites of criminals will increase. It is not the law that limits the crimes, but the inevitability of punishment, that is, it can punish the victim and will certainly punish the state.
  41. +2
    23 May 2017 13: 53
    Author - Man. good
  42. +4
    23 May 2017 15: 09
    but in general the whole argument is initially strange ... that’s why you need a trunk at home? against who? robbers? do not make moth slippers. in my opinion all who care for them are those who just want to own it. Well, children love weapons.
    1. 0
      23 May 2017 18: 44
      What do you take to talk about something, but you yourself do not know life or humanity, or even the letters?
      1. +2
        23 May 2017 20: 07
        why are you so categorical?
  43. +2
    23 May 2017 15: 25
    Two comrades, who had come from the army (healthy guys) for a couple of months, on the eve of the holiday did not have time or could not decide on the company and, in order not to be left without fun, came to the 3rd. That’s the third, the guy is not an athlete, let’s say spoiled even by the friendly attention of peers, not like peers, agreed with joy to a joint celebration, despite the fact that everything was already ready for him. And in the midst of the holiday, it suddenly turns out that the alcohol ended-- without thinking for a long time, two comrades, using beatings and bullying, try to make the guy find money for alcohol. Having received considerable harm to health, the guy in despair grabs a kitchen knife - - and stops bullying himself. The guy was given conditionally for these scumbags - and he was lucky, since he received injuries himself, at his own home. 1) It is necessary to change the law. 2) There were and will be killings without a firearm, but a firearm has a good psychological effect - it can be aimed, scared and may not reach the target, such a cold weapon doesn’t (it’s easy to disarm a fragile woman from a knife, but she’s not right for the trigger it's hard to press-- and you’ll think hard). 3) To prescribe legislatively the rule of acquisition, storage and use - for example, the use or the threat of drunkenness immediately term and confiscation, well, etc., etc.
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 15: 52
      Rustam, why are you not happy with traumatic weapons? And it seems to me that drunken fights cannot be stopped by the distribution of gunshots, and if these hooligans had weapons, the hero of your novel would have been much worse.
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 16: 15
        Well, firstly - even now the procedure for obtaining a license is quite strict, and secondly: the acquisition itself is quite expensive, at least the middle class can afford it, it does not need drunks and thugs - they have kitchens, hammers, axes, screwdrivers and other free arsenal up to the legs and arms, thirdly: the legal base that is needed for legalization will probably spell out, for example, that it is forbidden to issue licenses and sell weapons to patients in psychiatric clinics, as well as the rest registered with organs or morginal elements . Well, in 4: this is not a novel, but a case from life. By the way, in the news they recently showed how one unfortunate man in a brawl in the yard died after he was 120-kg cultural guy, not afraid of an answer, poked his face in the face, in front of the whole yard - rush hour, day. I don’t think that there will be a “massacre”, as many people write here, but it will contribute to the cultivation of many rhinos when they know, even grandfather can adequately answer him for rudeness or attempted violence.
        1. 0
          23 May 2017 16: 45
          just about, I also like it - as if a firearm would be issued, like St. George's ribbons, one heel on its feet. And the price will increase, as they again create some kind of committee, expertise. And for some reason all these fighters against somehow forget about the “tools of the proletariat” tightly, by the way, 90 percent, that especially “cool” boys in the abibase will suffer from a bear’s sudden appearance
        2. +2
          23 May 2017 23: 38
          Rustam Shafeev

          for example, that it is forbidden to issue licenses and sell weapons to patients in psychiatric clinics, as is the case with others registered with the authorities

          So now the certificate of both the neuropsychiatric and narcological dispensaries must be provided ...
          After the delivery of all documents, the cops break through your base for a month ....
      2. 0
        23 May 2017 16: 27
        In my "novel" I wanted to say: 1) Here, they still kill without a shotgun; 2) The law on self-defense is not finalized
      3. 0
        23 May 2017 17: 30
        Regarding trauma, it’s extremely ineffective as a means of defense, and very even as a means of humiliation. An example of this is the frequent cases covered in the media, please note that they are used for the "Pinocchio". There would be no injuries, it would be as before - baseball bats, again, the average citizen had not waved a bat before. And in general, a firearm makes any ghouls think about it - it does not give a second chance, like an injury, there will be one attempt to current - and not in favor of the ghoul
        1. 0
          24 May 2017 17: 05
          Injuries are not perceived as weapons, although in truth they are not. With the exception of a few samples that are already difficult to call TTX injuries. At first, when there were only a few on hand, they still helped with self-defense - they frightened them with a roar and their fighting form, but no more.
    2. 0
      23 May 2017 16: 48
      at the same time, the macaques will take it easy, from among the “serving hustlers” - for some reason, the real servants behave quite adequately even when they take it to their breasts, but the clowns (it seems that they grow out of such “Cossacks”) know very much that they know that they don’t threatens
    3. +3
      23 May 2017 20: 08
      or maybe turn on your head and not thump in an unfamiliar company /
  44. +1
    23 May 2017 15: 40
    Quote: vfwfr
    3. Regarding the laws: There is no such thing as the law "my house is my castle" with the right to shoot. From the beginning, it is necessary to think over and make a specific legal base - then LEGALIZE

    Simply put, legalization without the law is the same thing as buying a term for yourself in an arms store.
  45. +1
    23 May 2017 15: 49
    And with the help of traumatic weapons, the author does not get to prove to colleagues, spouse and friends that he is not a slave? And why does the author think that those who break into his house, the garage and the car will not have weapons with them if they start distributing them to everyone? It seems to me that if a man is not confident in himself, then it is better to engage in sports, and not to demonstrate weapons to everyone (or else they will take away more).
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 16: 18
      Injury is not a panacea at all, and it can just be taken away and inserted into the "holster" with a flat)
    2. 0
      23 May 2017 16: 40
      uh, but they won’t have it like that, huh. Only with permission to sell it will magically appear to everyone, like objects in an inventory in a computer toy. And to demonstrate weapons to everyone is already a little bit different push, which has nothing to do with the topic.
    3. +1
      23 May 2017 17: 45
      And come on, Anya, and imagine that you are an athlete, but I’m a squelch and I’m very afraid of you, but I have a gun in my hands, and you’re standing so two meters tall and so pumped up (it’s hard to miss this one) and terribly terrible. And my hands are trembling and my hands are sweating, look, you are coughing, so I will press the trigger in horror --- well, come on, take my trunk - will you decide? Even such a slob that has trembling fingers on the trigger. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t pull the fate of the eggs, it’s better to jump from the bungee without insurance
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 19: 13
        I’ll support Anna not only by her feminine look.
        1. And if you’re trembling with your hand-- don’t need to have a trunk then .. you miss it and you’ll accidentally get into Annushka, who was on the other side of the road and a fateful date .. and then YOU ...
        1. 0
          23 May 2017 19: 49
          I’m writing to you, wise guy - will you even take a trunk from a trembling nerd ?? no injury. Risk your little body?
        2. 0
          24 May 2017 16: 55
          Apparently I’ve seen enough movies, I’m just wondering how even a trained athlete can stop me an invalid and a pensioner of the Moscow Region with “Makarov” in my hand and determination to shoot !!!
    4. +1
      23 May 2017 23: 47
      Quote: Anna1990
      And with the help of traumatic weapons, the author does not get to prove to colleagues, spouse and friends that he is not a slave?

      Until he begins to deal with disassembling the gun and not be able to assemble it, like my classmate ....
      And why does the author think that those who break into his house, the garage and the car will not have weapons with them if they start distributing them to everyone?

      Here you are just wrong, because fear has big eyes and the victim usually thinks that at the door, at least a platoon of paratroopers ....
      It seems to me that if a man is not confident in himself, then it is better to engage in sports, and not to demonstrate weapons to everyone (or else they will take away more).

      Against the "reception from the spring from the tractor" Belarus "no one could resist ....
    5. +2
      24 May 2017 17: 14
      You see what the problem is here, a firearm stops by the fact of availability, the owner’s willingness to use it. A traumatic weapon does not have such an effect, many are confident that a tight jacket, etc. will save, on the other hand, the owners believe that there will only be a bruise from the hit and manage to kill the attacker with a “sniper” shot in the head. In a number of cases, the attackers during the demonstration of the PA continued their actions, as they took him for an injury. Traumatics on the street have nothing to do, at least in the dimensions of the CCW.
  46. +1
    23 May 2017 16: 39
    In fact - I agree. And the fear that supposedly criminals will massively run to buy trunks - ay! whoever needs it, those and so they have long had - criminals. Sometimes there is a feeling that this is some kind of anecdote about the "ass" - when there is no word, but there is a part of the body. And files are downloaded from torrents, and prostitutes are ordered, and drugs are stolen. Of course, it is easier for the government to control the crowd of unconscious infantiles.
  47. +2
    23 May 2017 19: 10
    So: I am for the legalization and wearing of CCW. WHAT motivated me to make such a decision? 1) A media coverage a few years ago, an incident in a supermarket - police officer Evsyukov (or whatever the name of this creature is), using a service weapon shoots innocent citizens in the store, among them a young guy with his wife, he did not even notice how this t , Varis came up from behind and shot him in the head. 2) An event highlighted in the media when an officer of the National Guard (I write with a small letter), when handing over the weapon after the shift, calmly sends out a cartridge and shoots in the head of his colleague, and as about a dozen “monkeys” in uniform are pressed deeper into the queue, instead of neutralizing shredded his colleague. That's why I need a convenient barrel, and not to shoot at the neighbors blue.
    https://yandex.ru/video/search?text=полицейский%2
    0расстреливает%20в%20москве%20людей%20в%20суперма
    rkety & path = wizard & noreask = 1
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 19: 14
      And note-- our media quickly forgot all this
      https://yandex.ru/video/search?text=полицейский%2
      0расстреливает%20в%20москве%20людей%20в%20суперма
      rkety & path = wizard & noreask = 1
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 19: 20
        National Guard officer shoots a colleague
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OWHRCBtZAU
        1. +1
          23 May 2017 19: 21
          correct link - supermarket massacre
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4Big6hwaQ
          1. +1
            23 May 2017 19: 31
            Question: Now do you understand from whom to defend, guys?
    2. +3
      23 May 2017 20: 10
      come on? Batman laurels do not give rest?
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 20: 14
        would batman not take a steam bath
      2. +1
        23 May 2017 20: 18
        and you ... well, as if to ask so as not to offend - in general, you know how to follow links, well, here I dropped the link to the video above - you know how to use the capabilities of the OS. It’s just that your “batman”, and your “laurels”, are not for me and off topic. Or are you just a bot
        1. +2
          23 May 2017 20: 25
          and you re-read your main post again and understand what I mean about Batman))) since the police can’t, then I can probably?)))
      3. +1
        23 May 2017 20: 22
        All who oppose me, I look not in the laws do not understand the weapons - women are excusable, they are for peace in the world and it’s boring to see in the office it’s boring to sit on sites like “Jam” - they are drawn to men's sites. But here you are with your “batman” really some kind of “nothing”
        1. +2
          23 May 2017 20: 27
          I agree in the laws. knowledge of the layman. sorry about the weapon.
  48. 0
    23 May 2017 19: 38
    When I read that someone is again initiating another law on allowing the carrying of civilian weapons, I applaud our police officer. So, organized crime in Russia has again begun to need trunks and wants to replenish its weapons at the expense of fools who are ready to spend money on weapons. Everyone understands that purchased trunks for defense are useless. An untrained person will not have time to put weapons into action. These trunks will quickly fall into the hands of bandits. I have never heard that weapons of "self-defense" were used for self-defense. For criminal attack only. Not a day goes by in the news that there is no message about unprovoked shooting on our streets. It is necessary to immediately ban not only firearms, but also injuries and gas pistols.
    1. +1
      23 May 2017 19: 45
      follow the link, wise guy
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4Big6hwaQ
    2. +1
      23 May 2017 19: 45
      the one you have been afraid of has trunks for a long time, but here we have no law
    3. +1
      23 May 2017 19: 47
      see links above
    4. 0
      24 May 2017 16: 36
      Bandits, judges, deputies, prosecutors, etc., etc. long have a weapon legal or permitted - not essential. Now in the Russian Federation, if you wish, acquiring an illegal "trunk" is not difficult and costly, and when compared with the prices of legal weapons, it is ridiculously cheap.
      All opponents of the ban on self-defense are apparently protected: by work in law enforcement agencies, have premium weapons or HAVE their own guard !!!
      1. +1
        25 May 2017 23: 04

        0
        d.gksueyjd Yesterday, 16: 36 ↑
        Bandits, judges, deputies, prosecutors, etc., etc. long have a weapon legal or permitted - not essential.

        You are apparently far from the life and working days of judges and prosecutors and you see that you don’t know about the work of district judges and prosecutors / investigators (i.e. there are those who work on the ground), you will probably be very surprised that some of them are the damage to their personal lives comes out on weekends to work “to clear things out” and where does they have extra time to get permission for an injury or carbine?
        All opponents of the ban on self-defense are apparently protected: by work in law enforcement agencies, have premium weapons or HAVE their own guard !!!

        My relative is a judge and some classmates would laugh in your face for such nonsense ...
        acquiring an illegal "trunk" is not difficult and costly, and when compared with the prices of legal weapons, it is ridiculously cheap.

        In this matter, I am "not Svidomo", unlike you apparently ....
    5. 0
      24 May 2017 16: 40
      Only a complete oligophrenic can use the registered barrel for criminal purposes, this is to leave your passport at the crime scene, with fingerprints. With trauma and a smoothbore, everything is much more complicated, and if there are no shells it is almost impossible.
  49. +2
    23 May 2017 20: 24
    But it would be great if the short-barrel was legalized, then maybe those in power would be more accommodating, and any racket would fall by itself. But alas, it’s against garbage, it’s difficult to keep track of trunks, such as troubles, they completely forgot how to work. But they used to cut loot
    1. +2
      23 May 2017 20: 29
      oh yes)) it will solve all the troubles at once)) they’ll only solve it and not immediately life but honey) those in power will have no weapons. become pacifists.
    2. +1
      23 May 2017 20: 31
      I agree, they are against - but as for tracking, they got excited, as one guy wrote above - if you legally acquired a weapon, then they’re “shot” - that is, they take your barrel’s handwriting, so you can’t shoot someone with impunity , the trunk will show you - it means you yourself will call the organs, then it’s unlikely that you will be hiding-- what are they going to track there? unclear. Yes, maybe there will be those who want to play hide and seek with the law, well, for example, 1-2 per thousand is not fatal
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 23: 57

        0
        Rustam Shafeev Today, 20: 31 ↑
        I agree, they are against - but as for tracking, they got excited, as one guy wrote above - if you legally acquired a weapon, then they’re "shot" - that is, they take your barrel’s handwriting, so you can’t shoot someone with impunity , the trunk will show you - it means you yourself will call the organs, then it’s unlikely that you will be hiding-- what are they going to track there? unclear.

        This applies only to rifled weapons .... there are fewer of them than those who have smooth-bore weapons (because in order to get rifled weapons you must have smooth-bore weapons for at least 5 years, as a hunting weapon) ...
    3. 0
      23 May 2017 20: 34
      that is, why does such a dunce go nuts, make a permit, pay money and go to bureaucrats, burn a barrel, and then shoot someone and steam off to excuse themselves that they say they stole, fucked up or finally he accidentally fired 5 times - not easier whether illegal to get hold of and score on everything?
      1. +1
        23 May 2017 23: 59
        Quote: Rustam Shafeev
        that is, why does such a dunce go nuts, make a permit, pay money and go to bureaucrats, burn a barrel, and then shoot someone and steam off to excuse themselves that they say they stole, fucked up or finally he accidentally fired 5 times - not easier whether illegal to get hold of and score on everything?

        Then they will beat you for years ...... attsat in the area of ​​the Russian Arctic .... (if they catch of course) .....
  50. +6
    23 May 2017 20: 33
    I am 76 years old and all my life I always had a barrel with me. And surprisingly, he never killed anyone. Sometimes, sometimes, very hotstsa. At the age of three, I played with an old-fashioned pistol in Bandera Lviv, at six I was already learning to shoot and hit. It is not the same. I think that having a short barrel on your pocket is a huge plus in any situation. Plus self-esteem is increased by XNUMX%. I'll tell you the facts of the biography. In the dashing nineties, I was the general director of Soviet-Italian society. The company’s office was located in the South port, Muscovites know that in the early nineties it was the most criminal area in Moscow. Who was not there: Chechens, Japanese, globe otari, grandfather Hassan, Togliatti and others, etc. And I had Cedar. And I went where I wanted and talked with whom I wanted, and alive. Everyone knew that I was armed and very .... Somehow, near a building on Lubyanka, right next to the KGB, I wanted to throw a stone at me that didn’t like that I was in a foreign car, I just opened my jacket and shone my holster and the incident was over. No guys, I'll die I'll ask you to put the trunk in the coffin. I’ll sleep better. And those who are against, well, let them ... substitute.
    1. 0
      23 May 2017 20: 43
      Dear, I completely agree with you) By the way, I already wrote and you have confirmed here, you can say by deed - sometimes it’s enough to show and even there won’t be any abuse. Once again, I want to justify my position for CCW with this video, which shocked me a couple of years ago-- please see
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4Big6hwaQ
    2. 0
      23 May 2017 20: 45
      video about a massacre in a supermarket arranged by a man to whom the law gave epaulettes and service weapons
      1. +2
        24 May 2017 16: 28
        The video confirms that if citizens had weapons, they could defend themselves, and not be targets.
  51. +5
    23 May 2017 21: 10
    Excuse me, is this a military site? Or is the Thumbelina fan club discussing her new diapers?
    It seems like most of the people here are former or current military? Or are there massive numbers of refined jewelry lovers in the comments?
    A military man who has a bad attitude towards weapons is a pathology. Not loving and not respecting weapons is nonsense for a military man.
    There are millions of boys who serve in the army and they are trusted... not even short-barreled weapons, but the most formidable weapons in the world.
    Hear everything - TRUST! And you trust him, call him your protector - a warrior.
    Yesterday, this warrior, whom we respect, steadfastly endured the hardships and deprivations of military service with a machine gun on his shoulder and a full load of ammunition. And having retired to civilian life, he will immediately begin to shoot at anyone who looks askance at him. How can I understand? They say that this young man will start knocking down government officials and civilians running past, right and left. Complete cretinism!
    Respect your people! Trust people. But no one has yet canceled control and verification, especially in the Army.
    1. +4
      23 May 2017 21: 35
      Yes, it’s always like this with us, weapons to ensure the freedom and independence of the Russian Federation are one thing, but weapons to protect one’s own skin, not according to “Soviet reasoning” ....
  52. +1
    24 May 2017 12: 39
    "As they say ame
    Ricans, “The Lord God created man, Colonel
    Colt gave him equality." Firearms level
    reduces the chances of one against several - “Smith,
    Wesson and I - there are already three of us” - that’s what the sheriffs said
    Wild West. Trained and confident
    a man wielding a pistol has always had a life
    no advantage.
    You and your gun - there are already two of you. Plus a spare
    clip - there are already a lot of you. You can buy your personal oh
    wound, but you cannot repurchase personal weapons. Gun -
    your little and reliable friend and protector, who
    will not betray or deceive. The presence of weapons generates
    confidence. The person feels truly
    free only when he feels protected
    puppy
    And in general, a pistol is interesting! Gun -
    this is a bunch of design ideas embodied in
    fascinating forms of blued steel, a pistol -
    this is the roar of a combat shot, the heady smell of gunpowder and
    the joy of marksmanship. The pistol is fascinating
    is a good sport, and he can learn to shoot a pistol
    4
    everyone is a man and a woman, regardless of age"
    Potapov A. Pistol shooting techniques. SMERSH practice.
    I hold the gun with both hands. A man MUST BE ARMED. He must repel scoundrels and insolent people. I am for the “Combat Pistol Owners Club”, where you can discuss the lubrication system, and why the Colt Magnum is better or worse than Stechkin fellow , share the experience of street “fighting” with shooting in the air and at limbs hi Di and just drinks
    A combat pistol disciplines. Yes, and we need to put the legislation in order. And so that there is no excess of permissible self-defense, it is necessary for the attacker to lay out a pillow and a mattress so as not to “exceed” anything.
    1. 0
      24 May 2017 16: 25
      You are absolutely right, but “The Law is the Law” needs to change the “brains” of those who can change this. The most interesting thing is that the most ardent opponents of allowing citizens to carry weapons have “reward” weapons!
  53. +3
    24 May 2017 16: 15
    Before arguing whether or not to allow citizens to legally own weapons, it is necessary to change the Federal Law of the Russian Federation and the attitude of judges to the fairness of decisions. There is a paradoxical situation in the country - a person who has accomplished a civic feat and stopped bandits has the legal opportunity to “receive” a multi-year sentence!
    According to current laws, you must be killed and only then do you have the right to self-defense or protection of loved ones, and in this case the judges are on the side of the attacking bandits. For those who believe that self-defense with weapons in the Russian Federation is unacceptable - open the Internet on the topic: permitting weapons and reducing crime after that.
    A list of countries in which crime decreased after the resolution and in which it increased sharply after the ban on personal weapons. In the Russian Federation, even after writing a statement to the Ministry of Internal Affairs about the threat of an attack, no one will protect you, but it is also impossible to assign a police officer to work as a bodyguard. Everything is explained by the catchphrase: “The rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves” - I would like to add permission at the state level!
  54. 0
    24 May 2017 19: 03
    Why are you suffering, robbed, beaten, forgotten by God...
    Go to America. Goldreer will help. There you will have both a short and a long barrel. Journalists once carried a mortar in the open trunk of a car for the sake of banter, but no one stopped it. This is the scope of democracy and liberalism, and at the same time crime, the largest in the World. The United States sells the most weapons, fights the most wars, and has the most firearms crimes. You'll shoot your fill if they don't kill you...
    Goldreer, if the mountain does not come to Mohammed, let Mohammed stomp to the mountain.
  55. +1
    24 May 2017 19: 14
    It’s strange to read some comments about the benefits to the state from the ban! Yes, it’s a huge benefit for us! In response to the author’s unsubstantiated statement that in countries with legal guns there is less crime, I want to note: we are also hurting each other, God forbid! As for the practice of the United States (which, I understand, the author is inspired by), the history of the country is based on the principle: God created people in his own image, and Colt made them equal! We'll shoot each other! The culture of gun ownership needs to be cultivated in a cruel way!
  56. +2
    24 May 2017 19: 40
    I served in the army, so I have no desire to carry a pistol, machine gun or carbine. These are the dreams of those who were unable to serve in the army. They don’t know that weapons are a terrible responsibility, and in the army they teach you not so much how to shoot, but how to prevent them from shooting themselves.
    In our conditions, when girls from traumatization are almost killing people in the subway, permission to carry or store military weapons means an avalanche of crimes with dire outcomes.
    I am categorically against gun permits. Even trauma is better to be banned.
    1. +4
      24 May 2017 22: 12
      Dmitry Fedorov Today, 19:40 New
      I served in the army, so I have no desire to carry a pistol, machine gun or carbine.

      And why, if you don’t have a desire, then others cannot purchase and wear it, military logic....
      These are the dreams of those who were unable to serve in the army.

      Well, yes, I had AK and SVD on me at the same time, but for some reason my love for weapons did not disappear, does that mean I’m sick?
      They don’t know that weapons are a terrible responsibility, and in the army they teach you not so much how to shoot, but how to prevent them from shooting themselves.

      It depends on who served where, but if the first time at the shooting range they forgive you everything, then next time a savory blow to the sergeant-major’s spine will dispel all yours, that is. awkwardness....
      In our conditions, when girls from traumatization are almost killing people in the subway, permission to carry or store military weapons means an avalanche of crimes with dire outcomes.

      Those. Do you want to limit citizens of the Russian Federation in their constitutional rights (to protect personality and life and the right to private property) or do you have any statistical data and have analyzed the use of civilian weapons in the Russian Federation and the USSR?
      I am categorically against gun permits.

      We understood this, because... You personally have no desire to wear it....
      Even trauma is better to be banned.

      Perhaps you are right....., but it’s the traumatists....
    2. 0
      25 May 2017 12: 42
      Nonsense. It even makes me doubt that you served in the Army.
      1. +1
        25 May 2017 23: 08
        Quote: Old Warrior
        Nonsense. It even makes me doubt that you served in the Army.


        military unit 42616, 1994-1996, I’m on the right
  57. +2
    24 May 2017 19: 43
    Quote: Oleko
    Combat pistol disciplines


    Didn't notice. In the army, however, ordinary soldiers did not have pistols. There were carbines.
    But there is no disciplinary effect of weapons.
    People who are insecure and have absolutely no responsibility as a military man dream of getting a gun.
    1. +2
      24 May 2017 21: 57
      They didn’t notice because it was not a PERSONAL weapon. Let’s not talk about the soldiers. Could an officer freely take his assigned PM from the military base, without having to account for spent cartridges, and shoot at a shooting range, say, in dash mode? No, I couldn’t. That’s the whole story.
      1. 0
        25 May 2017 12: 42
        Well, here you are walking down the street, all so responsible, with a pistol under your outer clothing, accordingly (no one will allow you to stick it out), and if it’s winter, then hell, you’ll get it out quickly. So....you're walking, that means you're walking...two or three people are coming to meet you, they're walking peacefully, they're talking, they're not touching anyone, they're level with you, they've flashed your tambourine, they've kicked your genitals, and they've taken your bagpipe away and a spatula and it’s good if they didn’t “close their eyes”. How will a pistol help you? Or do you propose to oblige all swindlers to notify the possible victim in writing about a month in advance about the planned attack, so that your constitutional rights as a citizen are respected. laughing
  58. 0
    25 May 2017 12: 40
    Times are not easy these days - capitalism, let it be. The more guns citizens have in their hands, the more responsibility everyone else has.
    1. 0
      25 May 2017 13: 33
      Quote: Old Warrior
      Times are not easy these days - capitalism, let it be. The more guns citizens have in their hands, the more responsibility everyone else has.


      What are you saying? Will there really be more “responsibility”? It's even interesting to listen to. Give an example of how you see this very “responsibility”
  59. 0
    25 May 2017 14: 57
    Quote:faridg7
    In this scenario, I repeat, I have little chance, but there will be problems. In addition, communicating with people from SOBR, I know that they will break into an apartment with weapons only if they know that there is no other way to see the owner’s eyes. In all other cases, they will politely knock and offer to open introducing themselves.

    I don’t know who you were talking to or what you were talking about, just by participating in such events I can say that you will have problems, not the special forces, since these will be the first to enter the door:

    They might get into trouble if you just throw a grenade. But the article doesn’t talk about grenades, and they don’t care about your pistol.
    also through windows, and if you have them of the “armored” type, then they are taken out by blowing them up, just like the door.

    There was a case when guests came to one soldier from the hijacking department at three o’clock in the morning through the window, it’s good that it was not riot police, but special forces, his colleague simply mixed up the addresses he wrote down on pieces of paper. Then they asked a friend, “How do you feel?” laughing To which he replied, “I almost gave birth.” laughing So don't think of yourself as an all-powerful remba.

    . Quote:faridg7
    Mine don’t leave the apartment without looking at the camera. This is a proven habit, like looking in the mirror before leaving.

    You'd think they'd be waiting right outside the door. Not at all.
    The mass of options.
  60. 0
    25 May 2017 16: 16
    Quote: Oleg Monarchist
    Well, here you are walking down the street, all so responsible, with a pistol under your outer clothing, accordingly (no one will allow you to stick it out), and if it’s winter, then hell, you’ll get it out quickly. So....you're walking, that means you're walking...two or three people are coming to meet you, they're walking peacefully, they're talking, they're not touching anyone, they're level with you, they've flashed your tambourine, they've kicked your genitals, and they've taken your bagpipe away and a spatula and it’s good if they didn’t “close their eyes”. How will a pistol help you? Or do you propose to oblige all swindlers to notify the possible victim in writing about a month in advance about the planned attack, so that your constitutional rights as a citizen are respected. laughing


    Well, Monarchist, we were surprised! I wonder if you modeled this situation based on your own clumsiness or if you simply live among ridiculous weirdos. Firstly, who is stopping you from carrying a gun in such a way that it is easy to reach with any clothes? Secondly, even if it happens as you describe, then why will the trinity forget that while she is kicking and rummaging around the victim, other passers-by will not see them and will not kill them from their “volyns”. Why didn’t this option come to your mind? Or do you also think that all street thugs are such supermen that nothing can defeat or intimidate them?
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      25 May 2017 16: 35
      you came from your own clumsiness or you simply live among ridiculous weirdos.


      Young man, I proceeded from my own professional experience, communicating with terpils.

      Firstly, who is stopping you from carrying a gun in such a way that it is easy to reach with any clothes?


      Straight remba.

      Secondly, even if it happens as you describe, then why will the trinity forget that while she is kicking and rummaging around the victim, other passers-by will not see them and will not kill them from their “volyns”. Why didn’t this option come to your mind?


      laughing
      Yes, there is no one nearby. I don’t know where you live, maybe in some small village. But in a big city, in the middle of the night, this can quite easily happen.
      Have you ever shot at people?

      Or do you also think that all street thugs are such supermen that nothing can defeat or intimidate them?

      So they may also have pistols, they will overwhelm such an unprecedentedly brave and formidable owner of a “short-barrel” in the wilderness, and the citizens will run away.
      1. +1
        25 May 2017 20: 05
        So you communicated with weird terpils, and now you think that everyone is like that... And why is it that the gopniks will certainly bring down the brave and formidable one who stood up in the wilderness, and the other citizens will run away with their bullies? So, based on your “professional” experience, I can assume that it is “professionals” of your type who are able to allow the appearance of pistols in the hands of a bastard, but nothing! We will survive this too, throwing people like you out of our bodies, fortunately there will be an ironclad reason for this. Let's go to a legal short-barreled gun!
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          26 May 2017 12: 32
          Young man, tell me how old you are and what is the scope of your professional activity. If your “experience” in handling weapons consists only of going to the shooting range, shove this “experience” down your throat, well, you can still show off in front of the chicks.

          We will survive this too, throwing people like you out of our bodies, fortunately there will be an ironclad reason for this.


          My friend, cheap show-offs have never brought anyone any good.
  61. 0
    26 May 2017 12: 24
    Mikhail, which arms company are you associated with?
    I am against the legalization of short guns. But if Mikhail pushes through the law on “civilian short guns,” then I will arm my entire family: myself, my wife, and the children need at least one each for school. Then I’ll buy as many products as possible and try to stop the initial wave of shootings at home. Then I’ll go to Volgograd, I’m just interested in looking into Mikhail’s eyes at the moment when he babbles that that’s not why he stood on the Maidan...
    Hoplophobe...
    1. +1
      26 May 2017 12: 31
      Then I immediately have questions: Why didn’t you buy everyone in the family a 12-gauge shotgun, which have been legal for God knows how many years, if you’re so afraid? And why do the population have more than 3 million 12-gauge shotguns, which are banned in a number of countries and even US states due to the fact that they are assault weapons of extreme lethality, but there have never been any waves of shootings?
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        14 June 2017 11: 10
        No no no. How can you take a shotgun with you in your car to shoot idiots on the road, or how can you give a shotgun to a child at school?
        And the short barrel is invisible and reliable :)
        veni vidi vici
        1. 0
          14 June 2017 16: 38
          Like this, you take a bag or case, put the shotgun there, in the car under your feet or on the next seat. If you really want to, you can buy a case like this, at least it’s legal for now.



          A huge number of long-distance drivers drive like this.
          1. 0
            18 June 2017 20: 20
            To class! I'll take two. Is the bayonet fastened? Otherwise it's impossible...
            I also need one to fit into my school backpack. My son constantly comes home with bruises from school fights. We need a radial solution Mikhail Goldreer style.
            1. 0
              19 June 2017 08: 33
              I also need one to fit into my school backpack


              How little are you?! There is TOZ-106, it fits into a school backpack just wonderfully! fellow
              1. 0
                20 June 2017 17: 09
                I'm not good at this...
                But he is seriously determined to catch up with the all-Russian aspirations for civilization. Who am I, trembling or entitled?
  62. 0
    26 May 2017 14: 23
    The “legal short gun” is advocated mainly by wretched and dejected people, who, apparently, are constantly being “pinched” in the yard. laughing
    1. 0
      29 May 2017 15: 53
      Quote: Oleg Monarchist
      The “legal short gun” is advocated mainly by wretched and dejected people, who, apparently, are constantly being “pinched” in the yard. laughing

      You are slandering us weapon lovers. It is mainly poor and dejected people who are fighting against the short barrel, who, apparently, are constantly being “pinched” in the yard and having their small change taken away, and are now afraid that they might take the barrel away.
      By your logic, in “empirialist” countries that have lowered weapons?
      Or are you afraid of an armed people who will not be afraid of you, for example, "Self-taught Rambo"....
      And again, according to your logic, those who live “beyond the Lenin Canal and the Terek” and in fact have illegal guns are bandits, and those who want to get the same guns legally here in the rest of Russia are omitted...
      It turns out, according to your logic, half of the population of the Russian Federation are lowered, the rest are bandits and a small layer, like you, who hate bandits because they have guns, and you don’t, and consider the rest who were unable to purchase weapons to be lowered.
      How did you get into the army with such a worldview?
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        29 May 2017 16: 45
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

        You are slandering us weapon lovers. It is mainly poor and dejected people who are fighting against the short barrel, who, apparently, are constantly being “pinched” in the yard and having their small change taken away, and are now afraid that they might take the barrel away.


        Just the same, no one pinches me or lets me down, I have no one to defend myself from, it’s you amateurs who constantly cry and whine about how hard your life is without a gun, everyone offends you, both the authorities and the bandits. Do you live in the zone? So it seems that trunks are not allowed for inmates there, and they won’t be allowed. If necessary, I will send you to the next world without a barrel, with a pencil. laughing

        Or are you afraid of an armed people who will not be afraid of you, for example, "Self-taught Rambo"....
        And again, according to your logic, those who live “beyond the Lenin Canal and the Terek” and in fact have illegal guns are bandits, and those who want to get the same guns legally here in the rest of Russia are omitted...
        It turns out, according to your logic, half of the population of the Russian Federation are lowered, the rest are bandits and a small layer, like you, who hate bandits because they have guns, and you don’t, and consider the rest who were unable to purchase weapons to be lowered.


        So are you planning to overthrow the government....rEvAlyutsionEr-Maidanator?
        If you go to the Maidan, I’ll find myself not a short-barreled gun, why don’t you need it in such a situation, but a very normal automatic long-barreled gun. The “bloody power” will give it to me, and I will not feel any grief over the death of the “revolutionaries.” We have experience.

        How did you get into the army with such a worldview?


        Sorry, my dear, but you talk about the pistol as if it replaces your woman.

        For example, I served in the Strategic Missile Forces as a conscript, should I now organize a society of nuclear launchers lovers? Each citizen gets a “Topol” so that the authorities are afraid. laughing
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          29 May 2017 17: 03
          Oleg Monarchist

          It’s you amateurs who constantly cry and whine about how hard your life is without a gun, everyone offends you, both the authorities and the bandits.

          You come up with some crazy versions yourself, and then spread them to all civilian citizens of the Russian Federation. Like, if I like weapons (like all normal men and not only in the Russian Federation), then I like them because everyone offends me, apparently it doesn’t matter how you feel.
          If necessary, I will send you to the next world without a barrel, with a pencil.

          In the event that you can throw half a rusty blade in the eye, “Rambo son” is the same for me....
          So are you planning to overthrow the government....rEvAlyutsionEr-Maidanator?
          If you go to the Maidan, I’ll find myself not a short-barreled gun, why don’t you need it in such a situation, but a very normal automatic long-barreled gun. The “bloody power” will give it to me, and I will not feel any grief over the death of the “revolutionaries.” We have experience.

          From what words in my comment can this be seen?
          You're definitely not yourself fool
          Sorry, my dear, but you talk about the pistol as if it replaces your woman.

          Again you are coming up with something for me that I never said, are you a provocateur or something here on the site, t.s. snitch (cardboard snitch)? First you accuse me of overthrowing the government in the Russian Federation, now of masochism....or have you lost the topic of discussion...
          Nothing stops a man from loving both a weapon and a woman....at the same time....
          For example, I served in the Strategic Missile Forces as a conscript, should I now organize a society of nuclear launchers lovers? Each citizen gets a “Topol” so that the authorities are afraid.

          Bada is completely with you, when you quarrel with your brains, write about power again....
          And you can organize whatever you want, it’s your right....
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            29 May 2017 17: 56
            You DOCTOR ZLO, you really need to see a doctor, be it good or evil, it doesn’t matter. Maybe it will help.

            Are you a provocateur or something here on the site? snitch (cardboard snitch)? First you accuse me of overthrowing the government in the Russian Federation, now of masochism....or have you lost the topic of discussion...


            I never knocked, unlike some fighters against the “oligarchic regime” (not about you, but there are some).

            Or are you afraid of an armed people who will not be afraid of you, for example, "Self-taught Rambo"....
            These are your words, like you are an armed people. Against who? Against me? It seems he didn’t attack anyone with or without pistols... Do you want to arm yourself? Fine. against who. Against bandits? "behind the Lenin Canal and the Terek"? Have you seen at least one of them alive? Or only on TV, in news reports. I saw it, and there I had not only a pistol. laughing

            Like, if I like weapons (like all normal men and not only in the Russian Federation), then I like them because everyone offends me, apparently it doesn’t matter how you feel

            Nothing stops a man from loving both a weapon and a woman....at the same time....

            Right at the same time..... Exactly to the doctor. (joke)

            It's not the weapon that's annoying...it's the inadequate individuals who may legally have it. For example:
            jackomb May 23, 2017 20:24 pm
            Wouldn't it be great if short-barreled guns were legalized, maybe then those in power would be more accommodating, and any racket would disappear by itself. But alas, against garbage, It’s difficult to keep track of the trunks, like it’s a problem, they’ve completely forgotten how to work. But we’re used to making money

            Please....the government is crappy and intractable, the cops are kazly, the racket is "stuck" on all sides.

            Outsider 22 May 2017 21:26
            Anyone who wants to kill will kill without a gun. And they cut several people with a knife. It's all water. It is you, officials, who are afraid of weapons in the hands of citizens! Because if people had weapons, you would have to greatly reduce your arrogance and start working instead of earning money. It is officials who are the main opponents of civilian weapons. And they will resist with all their might. A gun in the hands can motivate only an inadequate person to perform feats. So a commission like a driver’s license is enough for this. And normal laws. And so - bandits in the trunks up to their ears. The bureaucratic brethren have all their walls covered. Let the simple peasant walk and shake.
            That is the whole issue.

            A comrade needs a weapon to knock down the “arrogance” of officials and “build them up” laughing

            Bada is completely with you, when you quarrel with your brains, write about power again....
            And you can organize whatever you want, it’s your right....


            Let me explain...that was sarcasm...in response to your equally stupid question, “How did you get into the army with such a worldview?”

            The army, cops and other special services simply NEED weapons, unlike inadequate civilians.
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              29 May 2017 19: 22
              Oleg Monarchist Or are you afraid of an armed people who will not be afraid of you, for example, "Rambo-self-taught"....
              These are your words, like you are an armed people. Against who? Against me? It seems he didn’t attack anyone with or without pistols... Do you want to arm yourself? Fine. against who.

              This is a key phrase. Like if I want to have a short barrel (I now have a carbine and a trauma rifle), does that mean I must go against someone with him? By your logic, every day in the USA citizens should storm the White House or disarm police stations...
              I want to get the right to have a short barrel, but whether I use it or not is another question (for example, if they take my gun away from me now, I won’t be upset and won’t even consider that my constitutional rights have been violated, because I don’t know why I bought it, more out of love for weapons and not for their (trauma) use) , but I need a carbine to hone my shooting accuracy, etc. (like in the army they could trust me with SVD, but then they started to worry about chaga because I was “up to something bad”)...

              I won’t say anything for other citizens, I’m not a doctor, as they say (the film “Dead Man’s Bluff”) “Our country is now free...”
  63. +4
    26 May 2017 18: 17
    Quote: Oleg Monarchist
    The “legal short gun” is advocated mainly by wretched and dejected people, who, apparently, are constantly being “pinched” in the yard. laughing


    Ooh!! How cheerful and fearless you are! Now go and say this to the eyes of the guardians of the short-barreled gun, for example: tell the hero of Chechnya, General Pulikovsky and Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin that they are wretched, general. to prosecutor Chaika and writer Prokhanov that they are despondent, and to paratrooper Sergei Mironov, who is now A Just Russia, and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov, that they are being pinched in their yards. Solovyov, by the way, is a rare strongman; they whisper that he bends horseshoes with his hands. I will dictate more than one page of such guardians to you, but at least go to these. There may be a simpler option. Find a youth organization of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia or a party of Russian nationalists in your city, they are all for the short-barrel. True, these guys look more like courtyard kings, all jocks and hand-to-hand fighters, but you know better, so explain everything to them. And then report here. And you will have respect. Otherwise, on this forum, all the local hoplophobes almost entirely declare themselves to be professionals with washcloths, but if you read their posts, you see typical bathhouse attendants with washcloths.
    1. +1
      29 May 2017 11: 37
      Quote: trak
      Ooh!! How cheerful and fearless you are! Now go and say this to the eyes of the guardians of the short-barreled gun, for example: tell the hero of Chechnya, General Pulikovsky and Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin that they are wretched, general. to prosecutor Chaika and writer Prokhanov that they are despondent, and to paratrooper Sergei Mironov, who is now A Just Russia, and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov, that they are being pinched in their yards. Solovyov, by the way, is a rare strongman; they whisper that he bends horseshoes with his hands. I will dictate more than one page of such guardians to you, but at least go to these.


      Tell me for yourself what you are personally famous for and what you do.

      Find a youth organization of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia or a party of Russian nationalists in your city, they are all for the short-barrel.


      Well, well, well... in Moscow they are there, whoever is not there. Only in Grozny, where I was on a business trip for 4 months. (back in the First), I sure as hell didn’t watch them. Where were they, such awesome wrestlers? laughing

      Otherwise, on this forum, all the local hoplophobes almost entirely declare themselves to be professionals with washcloths, but if you read their posts, you see typical bathhouse attendants with washcloths.


      Hoplophobes? I am against distributing guns to inadequate people, who without a gun are neither men nor slaves... The gun must also come with a head.
      By the way, in 93, where were you a hoplophile? I, a “hoplophobe” (a person who is “panically afraid” laughing weapons) was just at this “White House” (against him) with weapons and not only with a pistol.
      1. 0
        30 May 2017 16: 57
        clearly not of his own free will, “pushing pussy, not moving bags”
  64. Say
    +2
    28 May 2017 18: 42
    Only free people are allowed to carry firearms.
    Slaves are prohibited from carrying weapons...
    ...and for a long time now.
  65. +1
    29 May 2017 18: 24
    Quote: Oleg Monarchist
    Quote: trak
    Ooh!! How cheerful and fearless you are! Now go and say this to the eyes of the guardians of the short-barreled gun, for example: tell the hero of Chechnya, General Pulikovsky and Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin that they are wretched, general. to prosecutor Chaika and writer Prokhanov that they are despondent, and to paratrooper Sergei Mironov, who is now A Just Russia, and TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov, that they are being pinched in their yards. Solovyov, by the way, is a rare strongman; they whisper that he bends horseshoes with his hands. I will dictate more than one page of such guardians to you, but at least go to these.

    Tell me for yourself what you are personally famous for and what you do.
    Find a youth organization of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia or a party of Russian nationalists in your city, they are all for the short-barrel.

    Well, well, well... in Moscow they are there, whoever is not there. Only in Grozny, where I was on a business trip for 4 months. (back in the First), I sure as hell didn’t watch them. Where were they, such awesome wrestlers? laughing
    Otherwise, on this forum, all the local hoplophobes almost entirely declare themselves to be professionals with washcloths, but if you read their posts, you see typical bathhouse attendants with washcloths.

    Hoplophobes? I am against distributing guns to inadequate people, who without a gun are neither men nor slaves... The gun must also come with a head.
    By the way, in 93, where were you a hoplophile? I, a “hoplophobe” (a person who is “panically afraid” laughing weapons) was just at this “White House” (against him) with weapons and not only with a pistol.


    Your Majesty! I don’t have to believe everything you “state” about yourself here. I have already hinted quite transparently that any bath attendant here can spin whatever he wants about himself. So I won’t say anything about myself, so as not to become like your father’s son. As I understand it, you are, in principle, only against the short-barreled weapon falling into unreliable hands. But only! This means that if this inconvenience is eliminated, then reliable citizens can. Already good. So let's look for points of agreement, or do you insist that only total bans can help against arming the inadequate? I hope to receive a detailed answer. And try to be polite, don’t liken yourself to a quarrelsome woman.
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      30 May 2017 13: 27
      Quote: trak
      Your Majesty! I don’t have to believe everything you “state” about yourself here. I have already hinted quite transparently that any bath attendant here can spin whatever he wants about himself. So I won’t say anything about myself, so as not to become like your father’s son.


      The bathhouse attendants offended you as a child... they did something terrible and indecent... I sympathize...
      If in doubt, don't question it. You will be in our area (in Moscow), as they say - welcome, that is, you are welcome... I am ready to meet and present evidence of the state’s high appreciation of my work in the field of “bathhouse attendant”:
      mb]



      and along with certificates to dispel your doubts.
      You have built yourself a “coherent” theory that those who oppose the distribution of weapons are all cowards, bathhouse attendants, sheep, slaves. laughing

      And try to be polite, don’t liken yourself to a quarrelsome woman.


      So, in your own words - take the trouble to be polite, do not liken yourself to a quarrelsome woman when communicating with strangers, Mr. Trak.
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        30 May 2017 14: 00
        Thank you for your politeness, I appreciate it. As for the “evidence” presented, it seems that you yourself wrote here that you can get any “xiva” from us, and in Moscow they will sell any badge on the Arbat. And you don’t need to buy anything on the Internet, just copy and display. So even if we meet with you, it is not a fact that you will present the originals of your own regalia. And in your place, any person who actually has experience of at least some service in the same Ministry of Internal Affairs should easily understand this. In addition, your whole style of communication is disgraceful for any self-respecting officer, he is kind of fussy. So you haven’t refuted or proven anything to me. But if you like to fuss in the same spirit, then good for you.
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          30 May 2017 14: 33
          I see.... in general, you have "merged" Mr. Truck. I’ll give you a little legal education - trading in state awards in our country is a criminal offense. Article 324 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. So no one will sell you state awards of the Russian Federation. They sell, especially on the Internet, departmental, anniversary and others from public organizations, and not government ones.

          Besides, your whole style of communication is disgraceful for any self-respecting officer, he’s kind of fussy


          Are you an “officer-philologist” or “officer-stylist”? laughing

          So you haven’t refuted or proven anything to me.


          Don't fuss, young man, you won't get any gun....calm down. It's bad for you to have a gun.
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            30 May 2017 15: 56
            Educational program you say? Thank you for your efforts, albeit in vain. Real awards may not be sold, but fake ones of the highest quality can easily be sold. How many crooks take advantage of this? Do you think that I have “lost” and that it is “harmful” for me to have a weapon? Well, bask and console yourself with this thought, I don’t mind. This is what I thought... Let's say you really are who you so unfortunately imagine yourself to be here. But why should I put your personal opinion above the opinions of the same General Pulikovsky or the former commander of the Vityaz detachment, Colonel Lysyuk. They are probably no more stupid than you, and they have life and combat experience, and very authoritative and successful ones. However, they are for a civilian short barrel. Think about it.
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              30 May 2017 18: 10
              Educational program you say? Thank you for your efforts, albeit in vain. Real awards may not be sold, but fake ones of the highest quality can easily be sold. How many crooks take advantage of this?


              Well, yes... in 1998 I bought a medal of the order, knocked out the number, forged an ID with the seal and signature of the President of the Russian Federation, came to the personnel department of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Moscow Main Internal Affairs Directorate, no one even asked “where did you get the medal, my friend” request laughing Everything was entered into a personal file.

              This is what I thought... Let's say you really are who you so unfortunately imagine yourself to be here.


              Don't think too much...it's not yours. Don't waste your energy.

              But why should I put your personal opinion above the opinions of the same General Pulikovsky or the former commander of the Vityaz detachment, Colonel Lysyuk.


              Here they can.

              But after, for example, the phrase “judicial police punitive” - you can’t.
              You need a gun not for self-defense, but for self-affirmation.
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    30 May 2017 19: 32
    Quote: Oleg Monarchist
    Educational program you say? Thank you for your efforts, albeit in vain. Real awards may not be sold, but fake ones of the highest quality can easily be sold. How many crooks take advantage of this?

    Well, yes... in 1998 I bought a medal of the order, knocked out the number, forged an ID with the seal and signature of the President of the Russian Federation, came to the personnel department of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Moscow Main Internal Affairs Directorate, no one even asked “where did you get the medal, my friend” request laughing Everything was entered into a personal file.
    This is what I thought... Let's say you really are who you so unfortunately imagine yourself to be here.

    Don't think too much...it's not yours. Don't waste your energy.
    But why should I put your personal opinion above the opinions of the same General Pulikovsky or the former commander of the Vityaz detachment, Colonel Lysyuk.

    Here they can.
    But after, for example, the phrase “judicial police punitive” - you can’t.
    You need a gun not for self-defense, but for self-affirmation.


    Well, we’ve found common ground, as it were... You allow them to have a short gun, and they allow the others to have a short gun, including me. If we don't wash, we'll definitely give you a ride, you hoplophobes. For our victory! Hooray!

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