Kiev denies the Nazi division’s symbols of the SS Galicia division

Symbols of the SS division "Galicia" (formed from Ukrainians who fought on the side of Nazi Germany) do not fall under the law "On Condemnation of the Communist and Nazi Regimes" and cannot be considered symbolism of the Nazi regime, said Vladimir Vyatrovich, the head of the National Memory Institute of Ukraine, Country "transmits RIA News, motivating it by the fact that this symbolism is not in the list of this law.

The law came into force in Ukraine in May 2015. Clause 5 of Part 1 of Article 1 of this law provides a list of what is meant by Nazi symbols.

In the above list, the symbols of the 14-th Grenadier Division of the SS troops "Galicia" (the 1-th Ukrainian Division of the UNA) is missing. Given this, the symbols of the 14-th Grenadier Division of the SS "Galicia" in accordance with the current legislation of Ukraine is not a symbol of the national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regime, the distribution or public use of which is prohibited in Ukraine

- says Vyatrovich’s reply to the request for publication published on Thursday.

The SS Division "Galicia" - a military unit recruited from Ukrainian volunteers during the Second World War - was established in Western Ukraine with the permission of the German occupation authorities. In the summer of 1944, the Red Army defeated this division near the Ukrainian city of Brody. In Ukraine, there is no unequivocal assessment of the division’s activities: some political forces claim that the division fought for the freedom and independence of Ukraine, others are convinced that the division was on the side of the fascists.

In 2009, Russia appealed to the UN against the establishment of a memorial plaque to the Galichina military division in Ternopil. Then the deputy permanent representative of Russia to the UN declared that the decision of the city council of Ternopil to establish a memorial plaque in honor of the SS division "Galicia" was "blasphemous", like a number of other actions of the Ukrainian authorities to glorify Nazism.

Comments

[MPK105]

Oh, no, of course, no one holds you for the Nazis ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: MPK105

Oh, no, of course, no one holds you for the Nazis ...

You would take for Faberge and turn the rotation seven or eight ...

[MPK105]

Nizzya ... You need to be more tolerant, Uncle Pash, more tolerant ... It is softer for people nonche, we are Europeans, after all ...

[bouncyhunter]

You may be a tolerant European, Lyokha. And I prefer to remain a barbarian and savage in their eyes - if only these fascist nits, coupled with their rainbow-colored cockerels, could not be seen at our borders.

[The black]

You can recall remnants of ukrokhunta ...

[cniza]

Quote: bouncyhunter

You may be a tolerant European, Lyokha. And I prefer to remain a barbarian and savage in their eyes - if only these fascist nits, coupled with their rainbow-colored cockerels, could not be seen at our borders.

Pasha, apparently we will have to finish what our grandfathers and fathers did not finish to the end.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: cniza

apparently we will have to finish what our grandfathers and fathers did not finish to the end.

If they don’t understand otherwise, we’ll finish it, Vitya. Many will say thanks later.

[Smog]

Quote: bouncyhunter

I prefer to remain a barbarian and savage in their eyes -

We love flesh - and its taste, and color,
And the stuffy, mortal flesh smell ...
Guilty if we crack your skeleton
In the heavy, gentle paws?

Pasha! Be healthy! This is not me ..... this is from my beloved.

[bouncyhunter]

Kostya, hi! Though not you - it’s still weigh!

[Zibelew]

Hi Pavel : Fascists cannot prohibit fascist symbolism.
Speaking of the symbols of Galicia. I see the Peugeot logo

[bouncyhunter]

Tagiryan I would have screwed these "electricians" instead of bulbs with eggs!

[Zibelew]

For the eggs and the Christmas tree

[cniza]

Although not in rhyme, it’s better on a birch ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: cniza

better on a birch ...

I don’t feel like littering trees with such rabble - only instead of a light bulb!

[Masya masya]

I would have screwed these "electricians" instead of bulbs with eggs!

And at least castrate these, God forgive me, they will not understand ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Zibelew

I see the Peugeot logo

And judging by the crowns, premium.

[CARPUHA 74]

TseJo ... And three crowns! No wonder they say that the colors of their state. swedish flag. Charles the 12th graciously allowed at one time.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

In heraldry, this figure is called the “lion rampan”, a lion directly walking on its hind legs, a symbol traditional for European heraldry, and really not forbidden. But here on the lapels of the lads from the SS Galichin division there were precisely lightnings forbidden by Nuremberg.

[Evgeny Strygin]

the lion is probably present on a hundred emblems. Maybe more.

[pjastolov]

no, for Faberge it is necessary to suspend

[cost]

What is the debate about? Kiev denies belonging to the Nazi symbols of the SS division "Galicia"?
Kiev can deny anything. However, the reality is as follows. What is the Galicia division? 14th Waffen-Grenadier Division SS Galicia, 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS Galizien (galizische / ukrainische SS-Division Nr. 1), Division SS Galicia (1 Ukrainian Division UNA)

The Nuremberg Tribunal recognized “all persons who were officially accepted as members of the SS” criminals (with the exception of members of the so-called “cavalry SS units” and persons who ceased to be members of the SS until September 1, 1939).

Therefore, by the decision of the international court, the Galichina division is a criminal organization, just like its symbols

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Rich

What is the debate about? Kiev denies belonging to the Nazi symbols of the SS division "Galicia"?
Kiev can deny anything. However, the reality is as follows. What is the Galicia division? 14th Waffen-Grenadier Division SS Galicia, 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS Galizien (galizische / ukrainische SS-Division Nr. 1), Division SS Galicia (1 Ukrainian Division UNA)

The fact that "Galicia" is a Nazi organization is an axiom.

Director of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee (UEK) Eduard Dolinsky appealed to the Lvov prosecutor with a request to prosecute the organizers and participants of the requiem in honor of the 74th anniversary of the SS division "Galichina". The reason for this is the Ukrainian law on the spread of communist and Nazi symbols.
On his page on the Facebook social network, Dolinsky recalls that the prosecutor’s office recently filed a lawsuit against a young man who distributed photos and other materials on the social network with “symbols of the communist regime” and slogans of the time. Dolinsky emphasizes that on April 29, 2017, a memorial service was held in St. George's Cathedral, and then a joint prayer took place at the Lychakiv Cemetery and a huge veche in honor of the Ukrainians who fought in the ranks of “Galicia”.
"Galichina SS Division" was a foreign military unit within the SS troops of Nazi Germany. Ukrainians voluntarily entered this division, swore allegiance to Nazi Germany and Adolf Hitler, took up German arms, dressed Nazi uniforms and fought on the side of Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union, but also against the forces of the Allies, including the United States and Great Britain.The SS organization was recognized as criminal and convicted by the International Tribunal in Nuremberg. the spread of Nazi ideology and symbolism, "said Dolinsky.
"In this regard, I ask you to prosecute the organizers and participants of the event, namely the chairman of the Lviv Regional State Administration Oleg Sinyutka, members of the reserve organization" Division "Galichina" and other organizations. I also ask you to issue a warning to the media about the inadmissibility of coverage of events that violate the laws of Ukraine, "summarizes the director of UEC.

[garnik]

Need to turn to Netanyahu. If he is silent, then everything is going according to plan.

[Evgeny Strygin]

Does he decide something? Does it concern him more than us? What is the plan?

[Realtor]

current 404 authorities do not know the story.

[Orionvit]

Who needs it, they know very well, only because of their innate servile character, they are now proud in Ukraine, embarrassed, and not true heroism.

[Slovak]

They don’t have Faberge, don’t understand what ...

[Abel]

Faberge, But expired, rotten

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: MPK105

Oh, no, of course, no one holds you for the Nazis ...

and they are not fascists, excuse me

[reservist]

Is not Nazism a form of fascism?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

if you go into details, it’s not entirely, besides fascism in Europe is rather soft, they had it in some countries almost until the 70s

[reservist]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

if you go into details ...

are there any significant differences?

... then not really ...

sounds like "not quite pregnant ..."

they had it in some countries almost until the 70s

and what kind of countries (except Spain)?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: reservist

are there any significant differences?

yes, but I won’t even spend time on evidence and clarifications, interestingly study the topic, by the way there are many differences

Quote: reservist

and what kind of countries (except Spain)?

Greece

[reservist]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

learn the topic by the way a lot of differences

they are unprincipled

Fascism is the dictatorship of the nationalists. Accordingly, a fascist is a person who professes (and preaches) the superiority of one nation over others and at the same time is an active champion of the “iron hand”, “discipline-order”, “hedgehog gloves” and other delights of totalitarianism. (c) Boris Strugatsky

Greece

not a great connoisseur of the period of rule of the “black colonels", but all the same, it’s not worth recording all the totalitarian dictators-anti-communists as fascists ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

read the signs of fascism, and not only I consider colonels to be fascists

[reservist]

I will quote Strugatsky as a whole:

Fascism is the dictatorship of the nationalists. Accordingly, a fascist is a person who professes (and preaches) the superiority of one nation over others and at the same time is an active champion of the “iron hand”, “discipline-order”, “hedgehog gloves” and other delights of totalitarianism.
And that’s all. There is nothing more at the basis of fascism. Dictatorship plus nationalism. Totalitarian rule of one nation. And everything else - secret police, camps, bonfires from books, war - sprouts from this poisonous grain, like death from a cancer cell.
An iron dictatorship with all its grave charms is possible, say the Stroessner dictatorship in Paraguay or the Stalin dictatorship in the USSR, but since the total idea of ​​this dictatorship is not a national (racial) idea, it is no longer fascism. Perhaps a state based on a national idea, say Israel, but if there is no dictatorship (“iron hand”, suppression of democratic freedoms, sovereignty of the secret police), this is no longer fascism.

honestly, I don’t know if the junta of the colonels had a fad about the superiority of the Orthodox Greeks over other peoples ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: reservist

I will quote Strugatsky as a whole

but what does the Strugatsky have to do with it?

[reservist]

the conversation was about "signs of fascism" ...
definitions of fascism came up with a "wagon with a cart", the most sensible given by Strugatsky

[Zulu_S]

Quote: reservist

and what kind of countries (except Spain)?

Portugal (Salazar)

[reservist]

read about Portugal Salazar
topwar.ru/112512-soldaty-portugalskoy-imperii-cha
st-4-salazar-afrikanskie-voyny-i-konec-colonializ
ma.html
the pro-Nazi regime of Salazar managed to fight the Japanese during World War II, cash in on Germany’s supplies of tungsten, provide its bases on the Azores with the British Air Force and fuse its homegrown Natsiks with volunteers to serve Hitler ...

[wasjasibirjac]

and they are not fascists. they are nazis. fascists - members of the Italian party of Mussolini. if you think that among the Ukrainians there are Italians ......

[reservist]

so a fascist is not a nationality ...

[Bath]

look at zapadenschina some Nazis than there GB engaged in 40 years polished eggs? or they themselves were in the SD

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Yes, this is ideology, but somewhat different then Nazism

[Abel]

Fascist - a derivative of the Italian "fashio", a union. National Socialism is a little different

[reservist]

yes, a little different, but Nazism "grew" out of fascism, the differences are not fundamental ...

[Smog]

Quote: wasjasibirjac

fascists - members of the Italian party of Mussolini. if you think that among the Ukrainians there are Italians ......

Well, in principle, you are right. But fascism was not only in Italy, it was in Spain (later it was called - Francoism) in Portugal, in Hungary, then in Chile.

[The leader of the Redskins]

There is still an amendment needed. In Ukraine nationalism, Nazism is a German direction, the development of National Socialism. Fascism is Italian. A trifle, but still the devil is in the details ...

[Smog]

As long as nationalism is gradually sliding towards Nazism! Leader to appoint left.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Along the way, the one that they now have for the second term will no longer pass. And if you listen to ordinary people, then, in his place, I would already buy a helicopter

[Catherine II]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And if you listen to ordinary people, then, in his place, I would already buy a helicopter

even the sect of an Austro-Hungarian citizen will not vote for him ....
he has a helicopter ...

[Irek]

It is sacred to them ....

[Abel]

On the right, he is younger and prettier. The fact that you can’t hang it on the poster on the left, the children will be scared and the women will not understand

[faterdom]

Well, yes, yes ... Everyone knows that - the SS divisions only did that they fought for freedom and independence, for which they created Hitler and Himmler ...

[kouldoom]

It seems that I somewhere heard one clever statement on this subject by the use of collaboration symbols of Russia

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Caesar III

But Moscow does not by chance deny the involvement of Russian symbols in Nazi?

What kind of deer put him a plus, another communist who has lost his mind

[kouldoom]

Maybe yes ..

[aba]

Which deer set him a plus
Yes, one of the non-brothers! No one else. ;)

[The black]

Caesar III Today, 18:15
But Moscow does not by chance deny the involvement of Russian symbols in Nazi?

Unlike the quirky Kiev regime, which licks the ass of the Nazis, in Russia those who wore such a form are illegal; they were either hanged or died in the camps. Do you feel the difference, troll.?

[loginovich]

I'm afraid that for the time being.

[Smog]

Quote: loginovich

I'm afraid that for the time being.

What for the time being and what for the time ???

[Abel]

I just hope that it’s a wonderful time not to see either you or your grandchildren

[reservist]

But were the Vlasovites the first to raise the tricolor?

[kouldoom]

Judging by the photo, obviously not fascists

[pjastolov]

That's right - the SS division, but its symbolism is not Nazi since

In the above list, the symbols of the 14-th Grenadier Division of the SS troops "Galicia" (the 1-th Ukrainian Division of the UNA) is missing. Given this, the symbols of the 14-th Grenadier Division of the SS "Galicia" in accordance with the current legislation of Ukraine is not a symbol of the national-socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regime, the distribution or public use of which is prohibited in Ukraine

all questions to those who made up the list of symbols

[The leader of the Redskins]

Forever they rush with this "galicia", as with a painted bag. Well, at least there would be some sense from her, and so - one disgrace ...

[vanavatny]

hmm, very European: now even having a member in a man proves nothing, so the truth is not what we see, but how they will explain it to us, only nothing will help the ruin

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: vanavate

hmm, very European: now even having a member in a man proves nothing, so the truth is not what we see, but how they will explain it to us, only nothing will help the ruin

Great comment! The end to them ghouls fascist defiles.
This time everything will be different .. The executors of sentences, it will be the turn of the men who lost their families in the Donbass!

[olimpiada15]

With one phrase that the SS division "Galichina" was created with the permission of the Hitler regime, "everything is said, and the presence of the SS abbreviation proves that it belongs to the fascist regime. Only the Nazis could allow their accomplices to form a division, which was realized: the division carried out punitive functions against the civilian population, i.e. did what even the Germans disgusted.
And to deny belonging to the Nazis of any SS division is absolutely pointless.
And today, denying historically obvious facts, the Kiev regime brazenly demonstrates its belonging to the Nazis. But the matter is not even in them. The case in Western Europe and the USA is that they prepared a Nazi coup. However, even to hell with them: Europe at one time itself nurtured German fascism and, without much resistance, surrendered to the Nazi regime. And the US made money without being clean. Therefore, the position of the OSCE, which registers the destruction of infrastructure and the death of civilians, is not surprising, without specifying who controls the territory from which the shelling takes place, and they have enough data for such a conclusion.

[3vs]

Asks for a song from the movie "Alexander Nevsky":
Get up, Russian people,
To a glorious battle, to a mortal battle.
Get up, people are free
For our land fair!

Living fighters honor and honor,
And to the dead - eternal glory.
For the father’s house, for the Russian land
Get up, Russian people!

Get up, Russian people,
To a glorious battle, to a mortal battle.
Get up, people are free
For our land fair!

In native Russia,
In Russia, large
Do not be the enemy!
Get up, get up
Mother dear, Russia!
In native Russia,
In Russia, large
Do not be the enemy!
Get up, get up
Mother dear, Russia!

Get up, Russian people,
To a glorious battle, to a mortal battle.
Get up, people are free
For our land fair!

Do not go to enemies in Russia,
Regiments to Russia do not matter!
Ways to never see,
Do not trample the fields of Russia

Get up, Russian people,
To a glorious battle, to a mortal battle.
Get up, people are free
For our land fair!

Lugansk and Donetsk are standing, rise Russian Ukraine!
It is time to drive from their land zhidobanderovskoy ~ dragging!

[poplar in Kiev]

The people are ready, but there is no leader. The current more and more Nicholas II recalls.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What kind of deer put him a plus, another communist who has lost his mind

Everywhere the Communists seem? Go get some medical treatment. This is another "Cossack" from the independent.

[Umnichka]

Unfinished fascists have to finish. History unequivocally teaches this, if we do not want them to come to our house.

[staviator]

Quote: reservist

But were the Vlasovites the first to raise the tricolor?

Actually, the tricolor was a symbol of the "white" movement

[Saints]

Of course, you’re right, but there’s one big thing, but these are the colors of the state flag of the Russian Empire for many years. And as a state. flag and like the flag of the merchant fleet.
[SPOILERS] [/ SPOILER]
[SPOILER = "Photo of the flag of the Tsar of Moscow in 1693"] [/ SPOILER]
PS And our forum can in spoilers? If so, teach.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Naive .. Naive banderlog ....
They think that if you pass a law or a decree, they will immediately cease to be fascists ?!
How ... don’t call Amno, but it won’t become a jam ...
Wait, I hope, these clowns of what they really owe .....

[Catherine II]

The indictment of the "International Military Tribunal for the Principal German War Criminals" (Nuremberg Trials, 1945) unequivocally states that it is physically impossible to single out at least some separate part of the SS, according to which it would be possible to establish reliably non-participation in the events that led to an aggressive war, and also to an even greater extent in actions that constitute war crimes and crimes against humanity, and also because this “criminal activity was widely known to members of the body "and" in the most logical way flowed from the principles on which this organization was built ", and therefore proclaims as criminals" all persons who were officially accepted as members of the SS, including members of the General SS, SS troops, SS formations "Dead Head" and members of any kind of police services that were members of the SS "(with the exception of members of the so-called cavalry formations of the SS and persons who ceased to be members of the SS until 1 September 1939)," who became members of this organization or remained its members, knowing that this organization ispo is used to carry out actions determined by crimes in accordance with Article 6 of the Charter, or those persons who were personally implicated as members of the organization in the commission of such crimes, excluding, however, those persons who were called to this organization by state bodies, and thus, that they did not have the right to choose, as well as those who did not commit such crimes ”
and even the Canadian War Crimes Commission (Jules Deschain Commission), which worked in 1985-1986, acknowledging the lack of collective responsibility for the war crimes of the Galicia division as a whole, cannot justify.
In 2016, the Polish parliament qualified the crimes of a division soldier against the Polish population as genocide.
and the symbols of them generally taken by the Army of the Galicia-Volyn principality
in camp material
https://strana.ua/news/71386-simvolika-divizii-ss
-galichina-ne-yavlyaetsya-nacistskoj-vyatrovich.h
tml
and who is interested in the personality of the main ideologist of thoughtless nationalism and the clinical opponent of the whole Soviet
https://strana.ua/articles/rassledovania/69798-on
-hochet-otmenit-9-maya.html
the material about Rogozin recalled, but here it’s not just a populist and a member of the vertical - but an ideologist ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

reservist,

Quote: reservist

definitions of fascism came up with a "wagon with a cart", the most sensible given by Strugatsky

Excuse me, but who is Strugatsky?
chief specialist in ideologies? !!
there are specific signs and definitions

[Abel]

It’s all such “national” now, but they will sweep away this evil Poroshenko’s evil, and they will be walking around in polished shirts of flowers of the guards