Singapore acquired German submarines of the project 218SG

According to the blog information bmpdOn May 9, the Singapore Defense Ministry issued an official statement about the signing of a contract with the German association ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems GmbH (TKMS) for the construction of two large non-nuclear submarines for the country's Navy. boat project 218SG, in addition to the two ordered in 2013. As is customary in Singapore’s practice, the provisions of the agreement were not disclosed. The cost includes logistic support and training for Singaporean crews in Germany.

The first contract with TKMS, concluded by 2 on December 2013 of the year, provides for the construction of two non-nuclear submarines of the 218SG project specially developed for Singapore’s requests with a delivery in 2021 and 2022. It is believed that its value amounted to 1,6 billion euros. The first submarine is being built from 2014, the Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW) shipyard in Kiel. Two additional submarines are supposed to be delivered from 2024 of the year.

The submarine of the project 218SG is an enlarged version of the German export project of the non-nuclear submarine 214. The displacement (apparently, surface) of the ship of the 218SG project reaches 2000 t, the length is 70 m, and the width is 6,3 m (for the boat of the 214 project, respectively 1690 t, 65 m and 6,3 m). The design borrowed elements of the architecture of another modern German project 212А, including X-shaped tail rudders. The boat of the 218SG project will be equipped with eight 533-mm torpedo tubes, have an air-independent power plant with two modules of HDW / Siemens electrochemical generators with a power of 120 KW each. It will be installed advanced ASBU joint development of the German company Atlas Elektronik and Singapore Singapore Technologies Electronics.

The Singapore-ordered submarines are intended to replace the old submarines of the Challenger (Sjöormen) type of the Swedish Project A 4, built in the late 12s, that were previously purchased in Sweden as part of the Navy 1960. Two of them have already been decommissioned. fleet in March 2015 of the year.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

I am not a sailor, but in one private conversation, our (still Soviet) captain praised the German submarines of the "two hundredth" series. Probably not in vain ...

[Finches]

Now I took out a magnifying glass and tried to see Singapore on a globe ... The question arose - and why the heck goat button accordion! Money nowhere to go?

[cniza]

Quote: Finches

Now I took out a magnifying glass and tried to see Singapore on a globe ... The question arose - and why the heck goat button accordion! Money nowhere to go?

On the territory, yes, but on finances you can even see, so they want to protect them.

[bulvas]

Quote: Finches

Now I took out a magnifying glass and tried to see Singapore on a globe ... The question arose - and why the heck goat button accordion! Money nowhere to go?

Singapore controls the strait - the most important section of the East-West sea route and vice versa, and one of Singapore's main sources of income



Interestingly, the Germans will pay for the boat than what?
Also natural rubber, as with Russia for the SU-35?
Or coconuts?

[bulvas]

Quote: bulvas

Interestingly, the Germans will pay for the boat than what?
Also natural rubber, as with Russia for the SU-35?

Sorry, confused with Indonesia

[bulvas]

Quote: Finches

Now I took out a magnifying glass and tried to see Singapore on a globe ...

It will be easier:

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= 103.844901% 2C1.274666 & z = 11

[kpotr]

Yes, then, that his neighbors think about the same. But in general, then, like Israel, the Republic of Korea, the DPRK, and the smaller ones, but nevertheless.

[voyaka uh]

The country is very rich. Developed industrial country. Nearby: Malaysia, Indonesia.
Suddenly, one of the neighbors will remember the "historical roots", "injustice" ...?
How Saddam pulled Kuwait.
To rob the rich is a holy thing for an evil neighbor.

[Sanny]

One of the largest, well-located, ports in the world! The largest financial center! A tidbit for any invader. Singapore is dependent on maritime communications that need to be guarded and protected. Therefore, arming itself! Small spool but precious!

[aleksfill]

"... have an air-independent power plant ...."
And for 30 years we have been riveting diesel Varshavyanki and, it seems, in the new armament program until 2025
we will rivet.

[Puss in Boots]

Well, unlike Singapore, we still have much to spend money on, and for actions near the borders of the “Hole” it will be relevant for a long time (personal opinion!)

[bulvas]

Quote: aleksfill

"... have an air-independent power plant ...."
And for 30 years we have been riveting diesel Varshavyanki and, it seems, in the new armament program until 2025
we will rivet.

Americans do without non-nuclear boats.

What urgency do we have at VNE?
- only for export

For other purposes, we have excellent boats that need to be riveted more

[strannik1985]

But do you consider NATO’s main naval forces, for example, the first echelon of NATO airborne defense in the North during the Cold War, and even now, there were 10 Norwegian DEPLs of the Ula type, German Baltic types 205 and 209 in the Baltic, and Japanese DEPLs in the East. They simply transferred part of the responsibility to the Allies, focusing on SSBNs and ICAPL. We do not have such allies, all by ourselves.

[bulvas]

Quote: strannik1985

And you consider the NATO MNFs as a whole ...

I did not understand how this relates to my answer, and, in particular, to VNE?

I wrote:

Quote: bulvas

For other purposes, we have excellent boats that need to be riveted more

[strannik1985]

Most directly, they have allies that NPLs are actively developing and using, they have no problem renting (like the Swedish Gotland) or buying boats from them (they may refuse to sell any key technologies and that is not a fact). Nobody will do this work for us, R&D, R&D, pilot operation should be carried out anyway, put into service depending on the results of the work.

[bulvas]

Quote: strannik1985

Nobody will do this work for us, R&D, R&D, pilot operation should be carried out anyway, put into service depending on the results of the work.

Have we already stopped building boats?
Stopped developing new for submarines?

What's wrong?

The submarine fleet, in general, comes first

Or quietly curtailed all work on submarines and froze the construction?
Do you have any new information?

[strannik1985]

What is the urgency? ECG R&D was conducted back in 1987-1991, then this case was abandoned due to lack of money. Installation of VNEU on the Amur-1650 -2012.
For example, the Germans built the lead one according to Project 214 with ECG and introduced it into the Navy in 1998-2005. There is no urgency here, as if not to be left behind.

[bulvas]

Quote: strannik1985

For example, the Germans built the lead one according to Project 214 with ECG and introduced it into the Navy in 1998-2005. There is no urgency here, as if not to be left behind.

Can you imagine how many more different R&D the country needs at present?
We have long been not a country that could do all this at the same time (at the same time, all the same, we couldn’t develop much ourselves, we had to mine in the West)
You do not just have to grab whatever you want, you need to choose which is more important
today and to let resources go first.

At the same time, prepare specialists (or try to return those who left), develop the production of materials, components, etc.

[strannik1985]

And this, that doesn’t matter? We have three fleets (BF, SF, Pacific Fleet) in need of such boats. DEPL is today, if you do not conduct development now, then you still have to catch up in the future, only in the style of "grab bags, the station leaves."

[sergo1914]

Will they draw a saw-fish on the cutting?

[Stirbjorn]

A friend of mine hryach proved the other day that nobody needs substrates with VNEU - I gave him an example of a 214 project that the Germans bought Koreans, Portuguese, Turks and Greeks ... and now Singapore appeared on you ... and the demand for Varshavyanka seems to have ended - here you have VNEU!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Comrade hrych proved to me the other day that nobody needs substrates with VNEU ...

Comrade Hrych - wrong. NAPL without VNEU is not needed by anyone on the foreign market ... China and Vietnam are the last birds ... Hindus have been waiting for our Lada for a long time, but they were forced to buy Scorpen. And this is not from a good life ... After all, even a condition was put forward so that the boats were compatible with the Bramos. It turned out to be easier to convert the boat under anti-ship missiles than to cut VNEU with a jigsaw ...
However, "Stone flower does not come out"

[hrych]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

However, "Stone flower does not come out"

The question is, what is the priority, foreign trade or domestic consumption. We absolutely do not need them to replace nuclear powered ships. And with the development of weapons systems, including satellite guidance and positioning, development of coastal complexes, their performance characteristics are quite sufficient. This is a substitute for the poor, who want to get the opportunity of a nuclear-powered ship. By the way, stirling, etc. do not add low noise, this is an additional working unit, and cryocisterns occupy a useful area and increase the accident rate. They are constantly trying to drag us into apesity, that with stealth, that with VNEU, that with aircraft carriers. If you need VNEU, shove a compact reactor into Varshavyanka, well, there’s the Frankish Ryubi, and the cryocestra have dubious safety.

[hrych]

Quote: Stirbjorn

but the demand for Varshavyanka seems to be over - here you have VNEU!

Hee hee !!! The Chinese then bought a dozen from us, the Vietnamese 6 pieces, a couple more Algeria. And most importantly, the RF itself orders them Now there is a bargain for supplies to Indonesia and India, two more are already under construction for the same Algeria. So the slipways are overloaded, the submarine is not an iPhone or even a fighter The best non-volatile installation is a nuclear reactor. We have enough devices with such a VNEU To carry liquid oxygen, but in a confined space ... is too much.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: hrych

The Chinese then bought a dozen from us, the Vietnamese 6 pieces, a couple more Algeria.

no one claims that Varshavyanka is a bad project, just its export prospects have come to an end

Quote: hrych

And most importantly, the RF itself orders them

So there are no own boats with VNEU, Lada is still in trial operation, Kalina is in the project, that's why they are ordering to update the fleet somehow

Quote: hrych

Now there is a bargain for supplies to Indonesia and India, two more are already under construction for the same Algeria.

India builds licensed French Scorpene, what supplies ?! and there has been talk about Indonesia for a year now, they’re even ready to change the Su-35 for rubber. For Algeria, they finish building under the old contract and then everything .... is empty!

Quote: hrych

The best non-volatile installation is a nuclear reactor.

it is, of course, only on the Black Sea Fleet and BF there are no nuclear submarines.

Quote: hrych

So the slipways are overloaded, the submarine is not an iPhone or even a fighter

here it is not a matter of slipways, but the lack of a finished project for a domestic underwater diesel engine with VNEU.

[hrych]

Quote: Stirbjorn

no one claims that Varshavyanka is a bad project, just its export prospects have come to an end

With Clubs, export opportunities have increased dramatically. The demonstration of combat systems, in addition to military targets and intimidation of "partners", has export goals. Russia is at the top of arms dealers, and war is the best advertisement.

[Sanny]

Where can I read about air independent submarines? Where does the oxygen come from?

[hrych]

Quote: Sanny

Where does the oxygen come from?

Tanks with liquid oxygen

[Sanny]

According to stoichiometry, we calculate how much oxygen is needed, and we obtain either a huge volume or a small fuel autonomy. And then where do the oxidation products go?

[hrych]

Here in detail
http://militaryarticle.ru/zarubezhnoe-voennoe-obo
zrenie / 2004-zvo / 7129-vozduhonezavisimye-jenergeti
cheskie-installation
Combustion products overboard into the water, an excess of oxygen, too, bubbles give a unmasking trail, to reduce the damper absorber. There is no sufficient power, speed is low, liquid oxygen, requires thick-walled cryochambers. For me, this is a dead end branch of development.

[sub307]

Quote: Finches

Now I took out a magnifying glass and tried to see Singapore on a globe ... The question arose - and why the heck goat button accordion! Money nowhere to go?

Perhaps a “magnifying glass”, maybe a “goat fuck button.” In Russia, the opposite is true - it requires a “magnifying glass” to find an adequate naval fleet in general. The shifts, of course, compared with the 90s, are certainly in the direction of building up forces, of course ... but, as before, "godlessly little." And increasingly, “right shifts” in terms of the construction of new ships.

[Alexaner Arier]

and new ships are outdated a long time ago. but they’re building on timelines, as if everything is manually done like racing cars.

[Alexaner Arier]

ё-майё, and these recognized that German technology is beyond competition and is technical excellence.
willing to pay to get the best. didn’t want to buy anything.

[colonel manuch]

The Germans had better boats than ours during the war, after the war some of the completely new submarines went to us for reparations, I read somewhere that the British demanded to sink them and ours seemed to agree. I don’t know what ended.

[Conductor]

Quote: polkovnik manuch

The Germans had better boats than ours during the war, after the war some of the completely new submarines went to us for reparations, I read somewhere that the British demanded to sink them and ours seemed to agree. I don’t know what ended.

It seems like they were asking for a series of 21 sinks that they sent to us, but ours cheated there