Why in the Russian army revive shock units and connections? Another PR campaign or a necessity?

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How many materials, especially in the liberal press, appeared after the statement by the Chief of the Main Directorate for Combat Training of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Ivan Buvaltsev, about the appearance of units, units and formations in our army that will be given the honorary name of "shock" for their high performance in combat training !

Journalists rushed to look for the origins of the emergence of such units. Fortunately, today the Internet the possibilities are almost limitless. Especially in the field of information retrieval. They recalled the "first" official shock units. Those who covered themselves with glory daredevils during the First World War and remained loyal to the oath after the revolution.



Indeed, in the course of the "trench" war, into which the First World War turned, it became unwise to act in large parts and formations. Prepared defenses, the presence of minefields and obstacles during the attack of ordinary units led to huge losses, often incommensurable with the result achieved. Sharp, even revolutionary changes in battle tactics were required.

"Military Revolutionary" was the commander of the 5-th army cavalry general Peter Plehve. It was he who, by order from October 4 1915, formed units for close combat. Today, many people who are far from the realities of war, with a malicious grin, read the lines from this order. I remember the lack of rifles, axes of arbitrary shape, and shovels ...

Why in the Russian army revive shock units and connections? Another PR campaign or a necessity?

Group of grenadiers at the front. The caps as a headdress in the Russian army owe their appearance to aviators, junkers, soldiers of armored and scooter units and grenadiers

However, it was the grenadiers (another name for the shock units) that often ensured the success of military operations at the front. It was these divisions that, at the cost of the lives of their soldiers and officers, breached the enemy’s defenses and made it possible for the main units to attack. Gradually, already from an understanding of the capabilities of the grenadier units, separate shock battalions began to form. Or death battalions. This name did not appear on the nature of the military work being done. Just serving in such a unit almost always ended with either a severe wound or death.

Very often, the death battalions are written as peculiar detachments that were in the rear of the units and did not allow soldiers to desert from the front. Well, the Soviet propaganda densely sat down in the minds of the majority of the people. Remember the movie "Chapaev". The famous episode of mental attack Kappelevtsev. But these units did not sit in the trenches. They were in the rear! Were supposedly detachment. However, even in the post-revolutionary period, with some respect for the courage of these people, the episode was filmed! What strength of spirit and neglect to death were in the hearts of these soldiers and officers. Nothing like? From our great past.



Remind history another death battalion. The one that was recently shown by our cinematographers in the movie "Battalion". Perhaps someone will now say about some "fabulous" of this film. Women in war ... Women who could give odds to most men ... I will not argue. Stupid. Read, who are interested in historical documents. Everything is there. Both bad and good.

The history of the Great Patriotic War again revived the glory of the shock units. I already wrote about this in my articles about the capture of Konigsberg and some other operations of the Red Army. Again, in parts and compounds recruited the most-most. Again the soldiers were going to die. Again performed impossible tasks. And again ... they were in the rear before and after completing the task. What can be interpreted as the work of detachment. True, to the credit of our liberals, I did not see the materials that muddy these brigades with mud. I think genetics is to blame. The heroes of the assault brigades left descendants. But heroism is probably transmitted at the genetic level.

But let us return to the initiative of the head of the Main Directorate of Combat Training of the RF Armed Forces, General Buvaltsev. In particular, to how the honorary title will be appropriated. Again socialist competition? After all, according to the general, the title will be awarded on the basis of a check during the period of training the most combat-ready units and formations. With the presentation of special heraldic signs.

I have heard “screams” about the revival of “socialist competition” in the army for a long time. "Sentry! Again, we will carry out the decisions of the CPSU Congress, no, United Russia ..." And do not distort, gentlemen Democrats? In Soviet times, to receive a pennant at the end of the competition for the study period was oh how honorable. And it was necessary to plow for this pennant, especially in the units "away from Moscow", so ... But in the end, the Soviet Army had enough combat-ready units that were always ready for battle.



Let me remind you, for those who have a tight memory, the very recent history of our country. Chechen war. How many parts could we really put up? Lot? How many combat officers were there? Did the officers go on business trips several times from a good life? From the good life to the war sent to jail after school?

Today we have units, units and even formations both in the army and navywhich in real time can advance into a dangerous area and take the first blow. Crimea and Syria showed it perfectly. So why these units can not be distinguished from the general mass? Why is it not next to the banner of the unit to be the heraldic sign of "drummer"?

I am sure that the majority of readers in the boxes with awards, next to the orders and medals is the sign of "Guard". A badge that was received, from the point of view of modern critics of the army, just like that. A soldier or officer came to the guard unit and received it. Soviet soldiers received a decent "set of signs for demobilization." Remember, "Excellent Soviet Army", "Warrior-athlete", "Specialist 1, 2 or 3 class" and others. However, we keep only the "Guard".

I think the Ministry of Defense has already thought about introducing special marks or chevrons for the shock units. After all, all this was already in our army. And soldiers will always keep these signs. Sign belonging to the subdivision of the heroes.

Today, the ministry has a list of 78 units, units and formations that deserve the proud title of “shock.” Total 78 for all armed forces. Now there is an active work on the verification of these units. And it will be completed by the end of May. So, in the beginning of June we will receive a modern “addition” to the guards units: shock battalions, regiments and divisions. We will receive an incentive for the development of military units.

And all the talk about the fact that the shock unit for the next year may not win the competition or allow any wrongdoing of its servicemen from the evil one. In the guards parts it happens. But even the thought does not arise to deprive a lot of people of an honorary title because of one or several slobs. In my opinion, we just get a slightly different name for the units of constant combat readiness. The army must develop.
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  1. +10
    18 May 2017 06: 51
    The question is, why was it canceled in order to revive now? And that such parts are necessary, even there is no doubt. Moreover, they are in all armies of the world, in one form or another
    1. +2
      18 May 2017 07: 06
      Quote: Astarte
      The question is, why was it canceled in order to revive now? And that such parts are necessary, even there is no doubt. Moreover, they are in all armies of the world, in one form or another

      Personally to me - your comment is unpleasant. It looks like an attempt to set a negative tone for good news.

      For my part, I’m just glad.

      Honor and praise to the soldiers of the Shock Units.

      I think we will all hope that these guys will shed sweat in numerous trainings and not blood at the forefront .....
      1. +1
        18 May 2017 07: 17
        I have always been an opponent of "grumblers", but here I began to grumble, the weather or something :))
        1. +11
          18 May 2017 08: 54
          Personally to me - your comment is unpleasant. It looks like an attempt to set a negative tone for good news.

          And what good is this news, ProtectRusOrDie? If the assault / shock / grenadier units were revived, this is one conversation, and about assigning an honorary title based on the results of a test during the training period to the most combat-ready units and formations with the presentation of special heraldic signs - this is a completely different conversation.
          1. +1
            18 May 2017 10: 51
            "Equal to the best!" hi
          2. +1
            18 May 2017 11: 08
            Quote: Rich
            and the assignment of an honorary title based on the results of a check during the training period for the most combat-ready units and formations with the presentation of special heraldic signs is a completely different matter.

            Where did you read that they will assign the title of percussion during the training period?
            According to the lieutenant general, to date, 78 units, military units and formations have been submitted for the assignment of the title of “percussion”.
            “At the moment, the command of the military districts, branches and branches of the armed forces have submitted 78 units, military units and formations for assignment of the shock title,” the article says.
            During the current month, they will all be tested by the commissions of the Ministry of Defense, after which the military department will make the final decision on the assignment of the rank.
            http://militariorg.ucoz.ru/publ/novosti_mo_i_mvd_
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            darnymi / 12-1-0-72628
            1. +3
              18 May 2017 11: 28
              Moore: Where did you read that they will assign the title of percussion during the training period?

              The article must be carefully read, not just comments what
    2. +14
      18 May 2017 08: 25
      The 1 Panzer Army, which is now being formed on the Western frontiers, needs to be called the shock army ... The first Panzer Army ... It’s clear that you could touch ukrov and the Baltic states ... The stench of the occupied bloomers will be felt throughout Europe! laughing
      1. +2
        18 May 2017 10: 20
        And here I served in the Guards Brigade, but there was no badge, and the reserve officer’s ID did not say anything about it. And somehow I do not grieve, from the word at all. In the civilian world, few people care about this at all.
      2. +2
        18 May 2017 11: 08
        Quote: Finches
        First shock tank army ..

        What terrible words ....
      3. +3
        18 May 2017 11: 40
        Quote: Finches
        First shock tank army ... Purely, that would troll ukrov and the Baltic states ...

        And if you still make a rumor that this army is going to give glider units for the speed of movement ?! wink
      4. +1
        18 May 2017 20: 17
        Quote: Finches
        First shock tank army ... Purely, that would troll ukrov and the Baltic states ...

        Then the Fifth Shock Tank Army is better soldier soldier soldier and push it fidgety wassat wassat wassat
      5. +2
        18 May 2017 20: 21
        Quote: Finches
        The 1 Panzer Army, which is now being formed on the Western frontiers, needs to be called the shock army ... The first Panzer Army ... It’s clear that you could touch ukrov and the Baltic states ... The stench of the occupied bloomers will be felt throughout Europe! laughing

        This is until the ukrov and the Baltic states, as deigned to say, “Leopard-2” appear, against our T-72Б3 (which are armed with the 1-th TA) ....
        We are without the prefix "shock" of our 1-th Guards. TA as you say, trol ukrov and the Baltic states, because in terms of its combat composition, 1-I TA is AK, and not like not TA and not even OA ....
        I would be better if instead of the 1-th Guards. shock TA armed with morally obsolete T-72Б3 and incapable of fighting the best NATO tanks, there would have been some kind of non-operational AK, but armed with T-90MS and T-14 ...
        1. +2
          18 May 2017 22: 08
          We are a peaceful nation and are not going to attack anyone! We will get rid of obsolete tanks for defense ... but if the newest Leopard 2 from the valiant feline family, Tiger, Panther ... crosses our border, then you, Angry Doctor, don’t be offended, you have to and your adored NATO troops there and send .... To Hell! laughing hi
          1. +3
            18 May 2017 22: 35
            Quote: Finches
            We are a peaceful nation and are not going to attack anyone! We will get rid of obsolete tanks for defense ... but if the newest Leopard 2 from the valiant feline family, Tiger, Panther ... crosses our border, then you, Angry Doctor, don’t be offended, you have to and your adored NATO troops there and send .... To Hell! laughing hi

            Your mouth, yes honey to drink ....
            It will be necessary to beat and not the fact that T-72, but maybe T-62 / 55 (with BX), because NATO tactical aircraft and the "axes" of the Americans and the British have not been canceled ...
            1. +3
              18 May 2017 23: 00
              I’m in the army from a sperm, I’m familiar with the state of affairs - even I’m scared of the existing reality, and it won’t even digest my Western comrades ... Traditionally, they may reach Moscow, but then it will come to understand that an ordinary ticket to a travel agency would be acquired cheaper and much safer ... laughing
              1. 0
                18 May 2017 23: 27

                0
                Finches

                Traditionally, they may reach Moscow.

                The problem is that they will not travel a kilometer, until they know for sure that to the west, north and south of Moscow there is no one ....
                In order not to lose the armed forces in the border battles that will be imposed on us, we will go beyond the Volga, in order to save the armed forces, they deliver a counter nuclear strike against Europe and the USA ....
                At that time, no one will worry about the fate of Moscow .....
  2. +2
    18 May 2017 07: 06
    Of course, in our turbulent time, units that are in constant combat readiness are needed.
    1. +10
      18 May 2017 07: 38
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Of course, in our turbulent time, units that are in constant combat readiness are needed.

      In fact, all units, units and formations should be in constant combat readiness.
      "Parts of constant readiness" appeared during the time of Yeltsin to designate those regiments. which were provided by human and material resources in the first place. For the simple reason that everyone was missing.
      1. +6
        18 May 2017 08: 02
        Quote: Seraphimamur
        Of course, in our turbulent time, units that are in constant combat readiness are needed.

        Quote: Spade
        In fact, all units, units and formations should be in constant combat readiness.

        And this, again, is an elementary ignorance among comrades.
        The combat readiness is a state that determines the degree of readiness of troops for the solution of combat missions assigned to them. Under the combat readiness of units and subunits it should be understood, first of all, their ability to immediately begin solving combat missions in accordance with the goal, intent and situation.
        The following levels of alert are available:
        - constant;
        - increased;
        - military (combat) danger;
        - complete.

        Less constant simply does not happen.
        1. +3
          18 May 2017 09: 52
          What kind of military illiteracy is on our site in combination with the desire to necessarily publish your opinion.
          In Soviet times and in the Yeltsin period, we had formations and military units:
          constant readiness - equipped with equipment and weapons at 100%, personnel at 80-95%. These UHF were understaffed, did not need combat coordination. Their availability was 24 hours;
          abbreviated staff (type A and B) - staffing with weapons 100%, equipment - 60-80%, personnel - 40-80%. They needed mobilization, combat coordination. Availability: up to 10 days;
          staff - in fact, constituted the organizational core for mobilization. 90% IWT and personnel were obtained by mobilization. Availability: 10-30 days.
          1. +1
            18 May 2017 20: 28
            soldier2 Today, 09: 52 ↑ New
            What kind of military illiteracy is on our site in combination with the desire to necessarily publish your opinion.

            I fully support you, myself such (not military).
            Just explain in which part I served (1994-1996):
            A part of constant readiness (with AK every other day, with SVD, once a week), and the staffing was like that of a part of the reduced staff?
            Part of constant readiness with reduced staff?
          2. 0
            21 May 2017 04: 45
            ... on paper, we have used it Bulo .. hockey, in reality, no hell ..
        2. 0
          18 May 2017 12: 49
          The following levels of alert are available:
          - constant;
          - increased;
          - military (combat) danger;
          - complete. [/ quote]
          Less constant just does not happen. [/ Quote]. ,,, I served in the air defense of 90-92. So we stood on alert because of the first Iraqi, served in Kazakhstan. And they were called as a regiment of constant combat readiness and stood on the elevated for about ten days, I don’t remember the reason but it remained in my memory.
  3. +12
    18 May 2017 07: 33
    They came up with some kind of nonsense.
    In the social. the competition is not similar, then all these pennants and banners from various organizations were transient. Apparently, they are not going to deprive the title of “shock” for non-compliance with certain standards of combat training
    The name is completely unsuccessful, the “shock” was historically not called the formations and associations of combat training drummers, but the army, whose staff was changed in the direction of reinforcement to fulfill the tasks of defeating the enemy during an offensive in a main or especially important direction.
    That is, in fact, the proposal of the "fighters" to assign the title of "shock" is similar to the competition among the construction battalions for the assignment of the title of "tank battalion"
    1. +6
      18 May 2017 07: 51
      Quote: Spade
      They came up with some kind of nonsense.

      I agree. The main sign of the shock army during WWII is the presence of a larger number of infantry units to ensure a breakthrough of such a width that it is not shot from the flanks by artillery to the entire depth. And any graduate of a combined arms school should know this. Only the politicians do not understand this - but their work is different.
      In order not to go far for proofs, we go to Pedivikia and see there:

      In decisive directions of the front, shock armies or the main front groupings operate. Each strike army should have such forces and means of suppression that would ensure its implementation of an operational breakthrough of the enemy’s front and at the same time reliably overcome the entire operational depth of defense. Usually it has in its composition 4 - 5 infantry corps, up to 7 - 9 ap (artillery regiments), ARGK, 3 - 5 assault brigades (tank brigades), 2 - 3 air divisions. The general front of the offensive of such an army can reach 50 - 70 kilometers (km).
      On auxiliary lines, armies with a weaker composition operate. Their combat strength will not exceed 2 - 3 infantry corps at the front of operations in 60 - 100 km.
      Consequently, to organize an offensive on the 400 - 450 km front, 3 - 4 shock and 1 - 2 auxiliary armies will be required.
      To develop a tactical breakthrough in the operational period, shock armies must be given groups of mobile troops. The composition of the latter will be determined by their role and purpose; usually, up to one mechanized corps or reinforced cavalry corps will be required as a breakthrough level for each strike army.

      - From the report “The Character of the Modern Offensive Operation” by Army Commander of the Kiev Special Military District General of the Army G.K. Zhukov, Materials of a meeting of the senior leadership of the Red Army (23 - 31 December 1940 years).

      That is, there is absolutely nothing to do with what the author came up with.
      1. +9
        18 May 2017 09: 17
        Quote: Mik13
        And any graduate of a combined arms school should know this. Only the politicians do not understand this - but their work is different.

        Quote: Mik13
        That is, there is absolutely nothing to do with what the author came up with.

        The problem is that this is not the author invented. And not political.
        "statements Head of the Main Directorate of Combat Training Of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Ivan Buvaltsev on the appearance in our army of units, units and formations, which for high performance in combat training will be given the honorary name of "shock"

        Personally, I believe that currently there are quite enough tools to motivate military personnel in the field of combat training. As the “gingerbread” and the “whips”. And when the “fighters”, instead of achieving the normal use of existing tools, begin to invent new ones out of the blue, this, to put it mildly, annoying.
        You’re starting to wonder if the Defense Ministry didn’t follow the path of officials from education, who, instead of working on a long overdue restoration of order in this area, are imitating reforms in the form of various kinds of Unified State Examination and “Bologna Systems”
        1. +4
          18 May 2017 10: 08
          Quote: Spade
          The problem is that this is not the author invented. And not political.

          Oops .. My apologies. It was awkward.
          But actually, I meant exactly the WWII period. There, the term “percussion” was applied to compounds on very specific grounds. And he applied to the armies.
          And those parts that the author wrote about in the article were called "assault".

          As for the PR actions of the RF Ministry of Defense, sometimes it seems to me that refraining from criticism is the best way not to give yourself karma. I already have enough reasons to swear obscenities.
      2. 0
        18 May 2017 20: 38
        Mik13 Today, 07: 51 ↑ New
        Quote: Spade
        They came up with some kind of nonsense.
        I agree. The main sign of the shock army during WWII is the presence of a larger number of infantry units to ensure a breakthrough of such a width that it is not shot from the flanks by artillery to the entire depth. And any graduate of a combined arms school should know this.

        Now, think and don’t write here why the 1 / 4 centuries of the RF Armed Forces did without shock units, formations and associations, and now it’s impatient ...
        The shock armies were created from November 1941 of the year. By the end of December 1942, five shock armies had been created:
        those. during the most critical period of the Second World War ....
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        1. +6
          18 May 2017 22: 11
          Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
          Now, think and don’t write here why the 1 / 4 centuries of the RF Armed Forces did without shock units, formations and associations, and now it’s impatient ...


          If you add at least one more tank battalion to the motorized rifle brigade, you will get an attack brigade.
          If you call the ordinary brigade “shock” for successes in combat training, which is what the especially wise military commanders from the BP control want, then you will get the usual brigade with a very loud, but untrue name.
    2. +1
      18 May 2017 20: 30
      Shovels Today, 07: 33 New
      They came up with some kind of nonsense.

      I completely agree and it seems that the Shock Armies became temporarily shock, and during the Second World War, they became all Tank ....
  4. 0
    18 May 2017 08: 22
    Not quite the topic of the article. Paragraph from the book by S. Anisimov "Variant BIS".
    The introduction of something personal into the war was much more important than it might seem at first glance. War is a mechanism aimed at the destruction in man of all that is internal, all his own, not discovered by others. Only the general or the marshal finally get the right to at least some kind of originality, the expression of their thoughts, not fully suppressed by the higher authorities. Directly, warring people dress in the same uniform for everyone, they are given the same weapons, they wear helmets that make them look like nails. All this is subordinated to one goal - to make a person understand that his personal experiences, his own, private unwillingness to die does not matter, that he is just one of many. And only when the life expectancy of a person in the war begins to increase somewhat, when the soldiers who came to the unit manage to get to know each other before they are killed or sent to a distant hospital, only then can we begin to slightly lower this fence, which protects human habits, painted, respectively, in the "field gray" or yellowish-green color of tunics. At the same time, the person is still a cog, but they begin to allow him to consider the machine in which he is screwed on as his own. Then there are pompous names like the German “Wallonia” or “Guard of the Fuhrer”, politically verified “Yassky”, “Lvovsky” and so on among the Soviet divisions and corps and more relaxed, sometimes even humorous, like “Thundering Herd” [113], the Americans. And the soldiers even begin to be proud of these names - not realizing that all this does not matter for a meaningless iron, a few grams of which, if given a suitable shape and sufficient speed, can stop the life of a person participating in all this madness, leaving his family only yellowing a funeral or a flag folded with a triangle with a medal pinned to it. And the aged soldiers who survived him for decades will say: “Yes, we were the“ Screaming Eagles ”[114] or the“ Guard Red Banner Odessa Regiment ”, we were cool guys, all as one ...” And the old people will nod their heads and remember the long-forgotten names - because they no longer have weapons and no strengths, and proud names on emblems and badges that are sewn to civilian suits once or twice a year - that's all they have left ...
    1. 0
      18 May 2017 11: 04
      Quote: tasha
      that's all they have left ...

      Egregor Heroes - this is not so little to grieve. But at least one needs to know about egregors.
      And the names are original (from the word Image, Icon) sectors of Egregor Heroes.
  5. +5
    18 May 2017 08: 55
    I am sure that for most readers in the boxes with awards, next to orders and medals is the sign "Guard".

    That's right. Thanks Alexander, recalled. And not only lies, but is even bolted to his jacket ...
    As far as I know, the badge "Guard" in groups of troops was issued to everyone, but in the Fatherland it had to be earned. Not everyone in the regiment was with the "Guard" ... True, it was possible to "get it" ... Personally, I have a record on my military ID card, "I was awarded the breastplate" Guard "... It is kept with my father’s and military awards" Guard "received back in 1944 year!
  6. BAI
    +4
    18 May 2017 09: 59
    In fact, according to the history of the Great Patriotic War, the name “shock” is associated with me as “a part (compound) designed to break through the defense”. 1st, 2nd, Attack armies (total - 5), etc.
    "Udarnaya Army (UdA) - the military association of the Red Army, as part of the Armed Forces of the USSR, during the Great Patriotic War.
    They were part of a number of fronts and were intended to defeat enemy groups in the most important (main) directions, and were reinforced armies. Compared to the conventional army, they had more tanks, guns and mortars. They included tank, mechanized, cavalry corps. "- what is the definition of what? What kind of rear are we talking about? The shock armies did not come out from the front. And even more so they never stood as detachments.
    And the fact that screams are heard about the creation of shock parts, so this is understandable. Percussion units are designed for ATTACK, not sit-offs in the rear. This is what bothers the “friendly” Geyrop.
    1. 0
      18 May 2017 11: 00
      Quote: BAI
      This is what bothers the “friendly” Geyrop.

      Not only Europe. Our people are also very worried.
  7. +1
    18 May 2017 10: 23
    The whole point is not in the name, but in the ability of units to really be shocking, special skills during assaults and breakthrough operations at the fronts and at targets, although the tactics of combat in modern conditions of course have become very different from the same World War I and WWII, in the conditions of modern fire weapons defeat and protection against them.
  8. +5
    18 May 2017 10: 24
    Dear army men, do we not have a word play from the words of the head of the GU BP: “shock” part from the words “drummer”, “drummer of military labor”? .. It would be regrettable if this were so. Why change the meaning of famous words? What pointed to a special risk, heroism and a special set of compounds (namely, compounds, not parts), are supposed to note high rates of work and study? ... There is another term for this - "excellent student". There were signs "excellent pupil of the Soviet army", "excellent pupil of the border troops." On the ship at my posts was stained with paint on the stencil "excellent combat post", for example. What does the word "shock" have to do with it?
    1. +2
      18 May 2017 10: 58
      Quote: Galleon
      do not we have from the mouth of the head of the GU BP a pun


      And the goal of this pun is to blur the pattern of heroism.
      Something wanted to pump ideologists and promoters of this "renovation".
  9. 0
    18 May 2017 10: 53
    And all the talk that the strike part for the next year may not win the competition or allow any misconduct from its military personnel is from the evil one.


    Sounds like a madhouse.
    With the unburied 2nd Shock Army (Vlasov), with only the combat “reputation” of the shock formations (from the time of the War), introducing in-peace ranks in peacetime is very dangerous.
    There is a guard - what else is needed? Or is it pre-mobilization measures? Then propagandists need a different level, at least moral.

    But there is also a personal thank you - it became clear the self-name of my father, a front-line soldier (with comrades) - drummer, drummers. (Not a team).

    The author of the Communist Party, or what? I remember that there everything someone strove to update the Victory Banner.
    In general, they do not have tyami.
    1. +1
      18 May 2017 11: 30
      Quote: Norma
      There is a guard - what else is needed?

      Something needs to be done now to stand out from the guard. For the title of guardsman is devalued by his mass appropriation - during the reorganization and unification of parts he was not received only by the lazy.
      So we went to invent a new name for the best parts.
    2. +4
      18 May 2017 11: 31
      Quote: Norma
      There is a guard - what else is needed?

      With Guard, everything was very difficult.
      In the process of reducing the size of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it was precisely the guard units and formations that were trying to maintain. And that was right.
      But at the same time, the result of the process was that most of the remaining units and formations are Guards, which very “erodes” the very concept of the Guard. For it provides a certain elitism.

      And this contradiction is currently unsolvable.
      1. +3
        19 May 2017 16: 27
        Quote: Spade
        And this contradiction is currently unsolvable.

        I propose to call the parts - heroic. How do you like the idea? Historically, traditionally, Orthodox and sounds. laughing
  10. +3
    18 May 2017 10: 57
    How are shock parts different from unstressed ones? The presence of offensive or heavy weapons? It looks like creating a “dvizhuha”, expressed in modern slang. For career growth and earnings! To create a movement, a new term must be introduced, and more papers should be wrapped around it.
    1. +2
      18 May 2017 20: 43
      Quote: Sanny
      How are shock parts different from unstressed ones? The presence of offensive or heavy weapons? It looks like creating a “dvizhuha”, expressed in modern slang. For career growth and earnings! To create a movement, a new term must be introduced, and more papers should be wrapped around it.

      If I worked in the General Staff, I would defend a dissertation for this case or write for anyone, such idiocy would pass all the checks for authenticity ....
      1. 0
        20 May 2017 16: 56
        If, if ... If no exact criteria? Well, exactly a "dvizhuha"!
  11. +1
    18 May 2017 11: 25
    PMSM, everything is simpler - before the best parts were assigned the name "guards". Now the shock.
    The reason is that the guard rank has been recently given to everyone who can and cannot. Only guards depots are not yet available (although there were guards BHVT). Plus, the reduction of the army primarily affected ordinary, non-guard units. As a result, by 2013, according to some sources, the guards were 2/3 of the RF Armed Forces.
    So now, in order to highlight the new elite, the name “shock” has been introduced.
    1. +6
      18 May 2017 11: 50
      Quote: Alexey RA
      So now, in order to highlight the new elite, the name “shock” has been introduced.

      This is a stillborn idea.
      At least VDVshnikov’s total disfavor, starting from guards and ending with berets, and they will still be sure that “nobody but us” will swim in the fountains on August 2. And the most interesting thing is that among the people the attitude towards them will remain at the level of "cool."
      The same attitude will be to those who served in the Caucasus, to the "mountain", to the "Arctic" now appearing ...
      And the tank brigade in the city of Pupkinoozersk in the Urals, at least three-thumped, is called a fool. But if you call them "Black Knives" ....
      1. +3
        18 May 2017 13: 20
        Quote: Spade
        This is a stillborn idea.

        But you have to do something! © smile
        It is almost impossible to take away guard ranks from units. And you need to highlight the best connections and parts.
        Quote: Spade
        And the tank brigade in the city of Pupkinoozersk in the Urals, at least three-thumped, is called a fool.

        So this is the ambush - if you keep the order of assigning special ranks to units, it is very likely that the title "shock" devalues ​​in the same way as the "guard" devalued.
        In order to maintain the elite of the shock units and the “shock” title itself, it will be necessary to give it as they gave the title of “guard” at the time when it first appeared. And then the Pupkino-Ozersky TBR will be able to be proud that it is precisely “shock” - but it will receive this title only after successful actions on a “business trip”. And not just as a "jubilee for the anniversary"
        1. +2
          18 May 2017 22: 17
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But you have to do something! ©

          But why?
          They do not become an elite by adding another word to the name of a regiment, brigade or division.
  12. +2
    18 May 2017 12: 10
    During the Second World War there were shock armies. They included not seven (on average), but 9 rifle divisions. Several more tanks and artillery. By the way, tank armies (there were 6 in total) were not considered shock.
    SHISBR - assault brigades were also not considered shock, namely assault brigades. They were given to armies, corps and divisions to break through especially fortified borders.
    Thus, the unions were shocked, not the units and formations. That is, the rank of the army, not a regiment, brigade or division.
    If you decide now to return such a name, then why lower the rank? Still companies would be called percussion. It is more logical to return the name "grenadier". Regiment, brigade, division. That would make sense.
    In a word, maybe a true idea, but clearly not thought out. Although it may still come up with.
  13. 0
    18 May 2017 12: 18
    I agree with colleagues. For starters, the title of "guardsman" is worth sorting out. In order for this right to be earned, i.e. the manning of such units should be given due attention, and the officer and sergeant contract personnel in such units should be selected based on their experience of service and achievements in conventional combat units. And this is in addition to unconditional compliance with more advanced requirements. As for the formation of precisely the shock parts in the classical sense of the term, this requires careful study of the issue, especially a possible theater of war and a potential enemy. Although, as I understand it, we have a defensive strategy.
    1. 0
      18 May 2017 13: 10
      Quote: Blue Fox
      For starters, the title of "guardsman" is worth sorting out. In order for this right to be earned, i.e. the manning of such units should be given due attention, and the officer and sergeant contract personnel in such units should be selected based on their experience of service and achievements in conventional combat units.

      In this case, the guard will have a constant wild shortage of l / s. For in the RF Armed Forces there are practically no non-guard units left.
      And the main ambush is that it is almost impossible to select the guard rank - no matter how it is received (for example, by merging the guard and non-guard units or transferring the guard unit to the non-guard unit). So the "guard" of the RF Armed Forces don't crank back. sad
      1. +1
        18 May 2017 13: 41
        Quote: Alexey RA
        In this case, the guard will be a constant wild shortage l / s

        I do not agree. Airborne almost completely transferred to the contract. there is no shortage. This means that it is necessary to work precisely to ensure that serving in such parts was not only honorable, but, alas, capitalism, profitable. Guards should be really the most. correctly wrote above a colleague, the rank and honor of serving in the Guard is a soldier and an officer must earn ...
        1. +2
          18 May 2017 16: 44
          Quote: domokl
          I do not agree. Airborne almost completely transferred to the contract. there is no shortage.

          So it was originally proposed that:
          Quote: Blue Fox
          officer and sergeant contractual staff in such units should be selected based on their experience of service and achievements in conventional combat units

          It was to this thesis that I answered: if you equip the guards with the best l / s from conventional combat units, then there will be practically no one to complete it, because there are almost no conventional combat units.
        2. +8
          18 May 2017 20: 32
          So "profitable" or "honor"? Or combine? It's funny to read you.
  14. 0
    18 May 2017 13: 37
    THERE IS ONE VERY IMPORTANT "SECRET" IN BATTLE PREPARATION, WHICH DO NOT BE OWNED BY EVEN ALL KNOWING OLD GENERALS. Alas, that’s already. They revive it as they say, the old fashioned way ...
    THIS SECRET DOES NOT LIE IN THE FIELD OF MILITARY CASE, BUT DIRECTLY DEPENDS ON THE BATTLE PREPARATION OF DIVISIONS ... The lower ranks should not know about this, but it is this effect that must be cultivated in the troops ...
    IF A NUMBER OF FACTORS WILL BE OBSERVED, THEN THE EFFECT FROM B \ N WILL BE NOT JUST MIRACULOUS, BUT FABULOUSLY MIRACULOUS.
    But I will not tell anyone about this)))
    But I can tell that A.V. Suvorov, but did not register him directly.
    Who will reveal the secret secrets of victory miracle heroes!
    So it remains to read between the lines of Alexander Vasilievich
  15. +1
    18 May 2017 14: 00
    And there was also the first world war. In the Russian army there were units of удар strikers ’and муж peasant’ and Cossack. Then there was a civil war in Russia. The “whites” also had “drummers”. The Reds, too. The symbols and stripes of both the “white” and the “red” were almost the same - the skull over the crossbones. The “reds” also have a “solstice” and Hitler’s swastika straight
  16. 0
    18 May 2017 17: 10
    How many do not say halva on pepper, it will not become sweeter in the mouth.
  17. +1
    18 May 2017 20: 11
    A similar article was already in VO, two weeks ago ....
    In my opinion, we’ll just get a slightly different name for the constant alert units.

    That’s what they would say, otherwise the drums, drums ....
    The army must develop.

    "What is the development of the Army, brother, but what is it, brother:" In the shock units "" ....
    I think so, the closer the 2020 year (when it will be necessary to report on the results of the rearmament of the RF Armed Forces), the greater will be the ideological component that will be covered up for the failure to rearm the RF Armed Forces ....
    In NATO countries (those members that have well-equipped armed forces), there are no units, formations, associations with the prefix “drums”, but this does not prevent them from being combat-ready units ....
    God forgive me, even Eun has no such thing .... with his propaganda machine ....
  18. +10
    18 May 2017 20: 16
    The author seems to have left GlavPur). Nothing worthless article. In the cap. the world where we live, war - only for the redistribution of economic influence. I’m even stained with the inscription “drummer”, I won’t fight for any “national treasure” with his pipe. Divorce for dredgers.
    1. 0
      18 May 2017 22: 20
      Quote: Doliva63
      I will not fight for any “national treasure” with his pipe. Divorce for dredgers.

      "Katz offers to surrender" (c)
      Are you a follower of Trotsky or Peten?
    2. 0
      18 May 2017 23: 25
      Do you prefer to raise your paws and serve the invaders? So I have to disappoint you, they do not need any of us due to the fact that guerrillaism and wrecking on our part are initially supposed. They remember the story of previous lovers to come to visit.
  19. 0
    18 May 2017 23: 22
    I will express my opinion. Shock associations, formations and units were intended during the Second World War to conduct active (offensive) operations. And the creation of “drums” at present, based on the level of their combat training, is not an assessment of their combat readiness in full. Moreover, if in the current school year a compound or unit is worthy to be called a “shock”, then what prevents it from sliding down next year, and then it will cease to be so. Will take away icons and symbols?
    1. 0
      19 May 2017 00: 38
      Gaddy pope Moreover, if in the current school year a compound or unit is worthy to be called a “shock”, then what prevents it from sliding down next year, and then it will cease to be so. Will take away icons and symbols?

      The tank battalion was guilty and handed over its title - shock, to the battalion of communications ...
  20. 0
    19 May 2017 00: 20
    Why revive shock compounds? And what would be ... It's time.
  21. 0
    20 May 2017 09: 15
    China has attacked, we will direct strike units to drive them into our land. Or NATO captured Kaliningrad. We quickly gouge them with shock battalions, we won’t leave stone on stone from the city)). We can deal with Mongolia in one division, the main thing is that it should be a strike))
  22. +1
    20 May 2017 14: 35
    Shock - this is not a title or a name, like "Guards" and "Dragon's Teeth", it is a destination that depends on the composition of the weapon, i.e. from a combination of shock (MBT / BMP) and firepower (self-propelled howitzers, mortars and MLRS), and all this with an appropriate level of mobility. Tank and motorized rifle units (heavy) correspond to shock, but not light at all - mountain rifle (MT-LB) or paratrooper (BMD), relatively vulnerable, with less combat stability, designed for operations in special geographical conditions, or behind enemy lines, where, as a rule, its weakest (lightest) parts.
    Well, at one time (WWII) there was a shortage of mechanized and motorized formations, it was enough to strengthen the rifle division’s staff with another tank battalion or bring it to a tank regiment, supplement the artillery regiment with another artillery division, and it became a shock.
    It is incomprehensible this initiative of individual leaders of the command of the armed forces. By default, military units are divided into combat, combat support, and rear support; is it possible that senior officers of the General Staff are not able to figure out the condition, and hence similar inventions.
  23. 0
    20 May 2017 19: 34
    The second shock platoon, the first shock company, the fourth shock battalion, the 308th shock division, the sixth shock army)))
    1. 0
      20 May 2017 19: 40
      Do you know what, it’s not so simple, the prefix "shock" must still be earned ....
      Like this:
      The second shock platoon of the first shock company of the fourth shock battalion of the 308th division of the sixth army)))
      1. +1
        20 May 2017 20: 10
        Come on. Who will volunteer to serve on the shock? It's the same as a penal battalion, the first in a breakout battle, suicide bombers. Headquarters conversation: What kind of defense is there? - Unknown. It is not visible from the air, everything is disguised, there is no language to take, the approaches are mined. Alright, do reconnaissance in battle. Which company to send? It’s known which one, send the shock.
        1. 0
          20 May 2017 20: 13
          Well, yes it will be so. And behind go guard guards detachments with heavy machine guns (ROSGVARDY) ...
          1. +1
            20 May 2017 20: 24
            Rosguard is generally SOMETHING. Licensing Permissive Work (LRR) also refers to the Russian Guard. By what principle is formed one EMU is known)))
          2. 0
            23 May 2017 10: 35
            But there is no need to drape. tongue
            1. 0
              23 May 2017 12: 58
              Quote: Old Warrior
              But there is no need to drape. tongue

              Apparently you personally, expect to stand behind the heavy machine guns of the Russian Guard, if you say this ....
  24. 0
    21 May 2017 04: 17
    For me, it would be better instead of the badges of all sorts - they gave additional cash bonuses - at least with a salary. Here is the best incentive to work on conscience.)
    1. 0
      21 May 2017 14: 52
      And they pay extra for the guards badge, no?
      1. 0
        23 May 2017 13: 30
        He has not yet served in the guard units) but the comrades who came from the Varangian for the guard do not seem to receive a surcharge.
  25. 0
    22 May 2017 22: 33
    Or maybe ... "shock" -lab guards today), a slightly forgotten name for the most combat-ready units of the armed forces, not necessarily close to the "body")).
  26. 0
    23 May 2017 10: 34
    Want peace, get ready for war. An old such Latin proverb. More relevant than ever.
  27. 0
    12 November 2017 05: 30
    Your untruth, author. At least read Yakovlev, "August 1, 1914", there are about the shock parts. A little, but truthfully and without any horrors about the detachments. The book is Soviet through and through.

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