"Guard! The Russians conquered the Arctic! "A little about how the military parade" breaks the roof "from NATO generals

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How much has been written about the military parade in Moscow on May 9. From any angle, Russian "partners" considered Russian military equipment and armaments. Even the infrared radiation of combat vehicles was measured. How many expert assessments are posted on the media pages of different countries by leading experts in the military field. Moreover, the estimates of the most controversial. From fear to complete denial. Could not resist the ratings and me. We can also draw conclusions. And we have thoughts. Own.





Western media paid special attention to new combat vehicles designed to work in the Arctic. We are talking about short-range anti-aircraft missile systems Pantsir-SA and Tor-M2DT. Complexes that are specifically designed to work in the harsh conditions of northern latitudes. Conventional equipment and weapons of the Russian army are required to operate at temperatures ranging from plus 50 to minus 50. Arctic machines, therefore, operate at lower temperatures.

By the way, it is completely incomprehensible why such a noise was raised right now. To say that the machines are particularly secret by our defense industry is stupid. In 2016, the closed exposition of the Army-2016 armament exhibition was shown. And even painted in arctic camouflage. Yes, and the emblem, which saw the audience of the parade, the bear, the people last year dubbed "Umkoy."



It is no secret that the arctic two-link tracked transporters come from the 80 of the last century. It was then that the unique machine DT-30PM was created and even tested at the Ishimbay Machine-Building Plant Vityaz. Load capacity 30 tons. Ground pressure 0,27 kg per cm square. The ability to move on any number of tracks (even on one!). And for especially impressionable - without caterpillars at all. True, the speed will be just 200 meters per hour.

And if we add to these characteristics also the possibility of maintaining autonomy and the ability to conduct combat operations at temperatures below 3 degrees for 60 days? Movement in virtually any terrain (pressure on the ground is less than that of a person)? The possibility of forcing water obstacles? Maintaining a comfortable for life crew microclimate at ultra-low temperatures and wind speeds in 35 meters per second? A power reserve in 700 kilometers of fuel?

But I will return to the interest that our "partners" from NATO are showing today to the Arctic successes of the Russian armed forces. It was somehow forgotten that conversations about the Arctic were conducted ten years ago. Even the fact that Russia, through the mouth of its president, still 8 February, 2013, announced the Strategy for the development of the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation and national security for the period up to 2020.

Meanwhile, the complexes that we saw at the parade are just weapons, which will not be based in an “open field”, but at bases fully equipped for life. Let me remind readers of some of them.

Until the end of this year, more 100 objects will be commissioned in the Arctic zone! And the geography of this building is impressive. From Kamchatka to the Kola Peninsula. Franz Josef Land, Novaya Zemlya, Severnaya Zemlya, Cape Schmidt, Boiler Island and Wrangel Islands. And in these harsh conditions are not built temporary bases, but quite comfortable permanent bases.

Construction is conducted year-round! Only building materials imported from the mainland are used. Suffice it to say that the minute you read these lines, more 1000 builders are working ... More than 200 units of equipment are working ...

And the fact that we, apart from building and equipping new bases, are “cleaning” the Arctic from debris of the past decades ... This has also been forgotten. I will remind you. Over 6000 tons of scrap metal collected. Demolished 90 abandoned and decommissioned buildings. Cleared over 160 hectares.

Impressive and new projects for the Navy. Combat icebreakers! A ship that is capable of fighting sea, coastal and aerial targets. And at the same time to overcome the ice up to one and a half meters thick.

Speaking of the Arctic, we should not forget another service, which also does a lot for the development of the expanses of the Russian North. This is the FSB. It is the FSB that is currently building border outposts in the Arctic zone. By the way, for the upcoming Day of the Border Guards they promise to surrender the first outpost in Kamchatka. And by the end of the year, other previously existing outposts will be upgraded.

Why did the West not see all this? And suddenly he received his sight. It's all about ... Russian President Vladimir Putin. One of the character traits of the president, which the Russians really like, is to try everything that is possible "by the tooth." Problems in aviation? President in the cockpit of a fighter. The navy? We see Putin on the deck of a warship. Problems in some region. Again he is there.

And now let us remember 29 of March of this year. Where was the president that day? Where was the prime minister that day? Why did he soon get the flu down? Where was the defense minister that day?

And the top leaders of Russia were not in Sochi or the Crimea, but on the islands of the archipelago of Franz Josef Land. Officially, Putin, Medvedev and Shoigu visited Alexandra Land. Consequently, Russians will no longer treat the Arctic as a "bearish corner".

But then there are "miracles". And the further, the "miraculous." One question, the answer to which is shocking for the difference in understanding between us and them. Why do Russians master the Arctic and create permanent military bases for their Arctic units? Why build new airfields? By the way, this year the world's northernmost (after 80 parallels) airfield will be fully commissioned.

For us Russians, the answer is obvious. If military and frontier guards are involved, then defense capability. Especially since we were doing about the same in Stalin times. Only the airfields were floating. On the ice floes. But the principle of operation is the same. Jump airfield for bombers.

It is clear that in the event of aggravation of the situation, the airfields and infrastructure in the Arctic will play a crucial role in "calming down" overseas warriors. To a rather limited number of strategic bombers (Tu-160, Tu-95), much more numerous Tu-22 will be added immediately ... Yes, and the missiles flying through the North Pole are shorter. And tracking stations in the Arctic almost completely "cover" the northern part of the American continent. Not to mention the Arctic Ocean. Thus, the region is almost completely controlled by Russia.

But such a simple and logical explanation for the Western pragmatic man in the street is not suitable. What war? Nobody will be engaged in nonsense. We just scare each other all the time. Russians are preparing the line of defense? From whom? From U.S? Yes, we never attack others. We are the lambs of God. The question of military presence in the Arctic Ocean will arise before the discussion of the military budget for the next year.

Today used themes close to the western man in the street. This is what Rex Tillerson, the US Secretary of State for the Trump government, said: "At present, the United States has important decisions to take on a number of issues - including what approach the Trump administration will take to address climate change. We are grateful that each of you took a position on this issue. However, we need time to analyze your concerns. We are not going to act rashly and try to find the right solution for the United States. "

So, get a portion of American propaganda, dear readers. For a long time scientists around the world talk about global warming on the planet. (I understand that some now, with the hope of this warming, have looked out the window.) And according to the forecasts of American scientists, by the year 2030, the Arctic will be almost completely free of ice in summer. This means that Russia will be able to extract rare earth metals, gas, oil, gold ... Almost the entire periodic table. This means that Russia's activity in the Arctic is caused by the beginning of the struggle for the resources of the region!

These are interesting conclusions can be drawn from the usual passage of military equipment at the parade. Several complexes painted in the Arctic camouflage aroused so many emotions and so many conclusions. Of course, Western politicians and the military are well aware that Russia will not give up the Arctic. Fight for the North? Alas, this is not possible in this region. Finns who fought with the USSR before 1944? Yes, they fought. But on its territory. On the ocean expanses they can not stand. Europeans in general? Even a huge fleet will fight only to the edge of the ice. And then what? Death from anti-ship missiles and bombings?

Very often we do not pay attention to the actions of our government in the field of defense. And only after some time, when they begin to threaten us from any direction, it turns out that the otvetka is ready from there. And it is being prepared not here and now, but for some time. We still have time to go one step ahead. Difficult, but it turns out ...
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  1. +17
    19 May 2017 05: 42
    The NATO "partners" are jerking because they understand perfectly well that they have lost the Arctic and it will be very difficult to catch up with Russia. Let them get nervous, creak their brains, otherwise they are used to creating problems for our country with their movement along the borders. The author is right
    Russia will not give up the Arctic.
    1. +18
      19 May 2017 06: 29
      I think the question is a little different. -We will not give up our zone of interest in the Arctic
      1. +7
        19 May 2017 06: 32
        But Russia does not encroach on foreign borders, but it will control the Arctic militarily.
      2. +4
        19 May 2017 14: 16
        The main thing is not to "cut" into "combat icebreakers". A "cut" will go. No wonder that Nanasklokovo was created under the strict guidance of a gadget lover.
      3. +1
        19 May 2017 15: 21
        Quote: Astarte
        I think the question is a little different. -We will not give up our zone of interest in the Arctic

        That's just the sectoral principle of the division of the Arctic, or what?
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. +8
            19 May 2017 20: 53
            Dear Astart, it is a sin to be offended by the wretched! Moreover, the machine bans. Himself in due time wrote about himself - "And then I do ... to." So what do you think? Cut out !!!! Of living people, no one reads our letters. Everything is put on the auto-editor. There was a case, I asked the admins “why my article from NVO was published without my consent (referring to copyright), so I immediately got the question,“ How much did you get for your article in the newspaper? “I answered them“ not a penny. I’m sorry for the Power! "After that, shut up. So, forgive them, as we forgive our debtors ... Respectfully ....
        2. +2
          21 May 2017 10: 32
          That's just the sectoral principle of the division of the Arctic, or what?
          Verno. The Arctic is divided, and when they say that "the Arctic is ours" they mean exactly our share, and not its entire share.
      4. +6
        19 May 2017 23: 10
        Astart Today, 06: 29 ↑ New
        I think the question is a little different. -

        The US is not a party to the Convention on the Law of the Sea, so they don’t give a damn about the sectoral division of the Arctic, because Since the United States has the smallest sector, they believe that the Arctic should be divided according to the depth of the economic zone, and everything else is "world heritage" ....
      5. +2
        20 May 2017 00: 24
        On this map of tiny Denmark, a big piece went. Suffice it to recall that the area of ​​Greenland is 17000 times larger than the area of ​​Denmark
    2. +10
      19 May 2017 09: 23
      Russia will not give up its positions in the North only if the developed policy is maintained in the future.
      In no case do not relax in this direction and not be gullible. It is known that the Americans are persistent guys, and they know how to play "long". And most importantly - they have money up to ... They, along with the Canadians (their sculpted friends) have a very vast territory in the Arctic. And the fact that they will also take up the development of the Arctic - no doubt.
      Here it is appropriate to recall that in space we were once the first as well. But now, unfortunately ...?
      1. +7
        19 May 2017 14: 09
        barclay
        And the fact that they will also take up the development of the Arctic - no doubt. Here it is appropriate to recall that in space we were once the first as well. But now, unfortunately ...?

        With global warming (as they like to frighten in the West), if all the ice in the Arctic melts, then the level of the world ocean will rise by 70 meters. Where then will there be those countries that pretend to the Arctic (now they have almost a "horse not lying around" there)? They will no longer be in the Arctic, then they will have completely different problems ...
        And about space, I’m sure that it’s not yet evening with us still ahead.
        В В Putin said that the country was going to spend 1,6 trillion rubles on various space programs by 2020, it also announced plans to create by 2030 some systems to counter the use of weapons from outer space and in outer space, and plans to send them in the future astronauts beyond the limits of the Earth’s orbit, including the creation of a permanent lunar base, which can then be used as an intermediate point for flights to Mars (however, it is planned to begin implementation of this program closer to 2030).
        1. 0
          19 May 2017 14: 36
          Quote: vlad.svargin
          And about space, I’m sure that it’s not yet evening with us still ahead.

          So I'm only FOR !!!
          But, a lesson has been learned.
        2. +2
          20 May 2017 13: 04
          70 meters !! ?? ... the ice of the Arctic floats in water, as it were. It ALREADY displaces ... when it melts, nothing rises anywhere. Even with the complete melting of the ice of Antarctica, little will be added to the level of the oceans .. Antarctica is an archipelago, most of the ice is already in the water. When a huge amount of ice melts and gets into the World ocean, problems of a different nature and catastrophe may arise, and a “slight” rise in the level of the world's oceans will be the smallest of problems, such as changes in salinity (desalination), changes in the direction of ocean currents, changes in atmospheric phenomena, it is not known how the planet will lead to the disappearance of concentrated megatons ice from local places on the surface of the Earth ... etc
      2. +1
        19 May 2017 19: 36
        09.23. Barclay! Minerals are not only in the Arctic. Africa is also not poor in fossils. And oil in BV is probably cheaper than in the north. Especially if you stir up the war, it’s generally wonderful. Papuans give you cheap raw materials, you give them weapons, a double fat of business!
        1. +1
          19 May 2017 20: 55
          Well, there they bred Ebola. Did they get there now ????
          1. +3
            20 May 2017 06: 47
            20.55. MTR! But strangely enough they climb! Already peep! What about the disease? A very convenient training ground for pharmaceutical companies. Business, business, business! If you become ill, you will agree to any price for the cure. The main thing is that you have something to take. hi
  2. +1
    19 May 2017 05: 46
    If the ice melts completely, then where to build bases and airfields, there is no land there, this is not Antarctica.
    1. +10
      19 May 2017 06: 41
      laughing Have you read the article carefully? The land is indicated there ... fellow In addition to continents, islands also exist in the oceans .... and even entire archipelagos. Arctic Arctic is no exception ..
    2. +4
      19 May 2017 11: 28
      Quote: BNVSurgut
      If the ice melts completely, then where to build bases and airfields, there is no land there, this is not Antarctica.

      Firstly on the mainland. There were bases and basing points. Well, in addition to the islands of Novaya Zemlya, there are the islands of Severnaya Zemlya, Novosibirsk Islands, Wrangel Island.
      Well, see the map of the Soviet sector of the Arctic.
      1. +1
        19 May 2017 23: 15
        Amurets

        Well, see the map of the Soviet sector of the Arctic

        Well, and looked and what's next?
        The norm of sectoral distribution of the Arctic territories was not found in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982. This Convention established a territorial sea with a width of 12 miles, which extends the full sovereignty of the coastal state as well as the airspace above it, its bottom and bowels, and 200 mile exclusive economic zone, measured from the baseline, from which the width of territorial waters is measured.

        http://studies.in.ua/mezhdunarodnoe-pravo/1871-me
        zhdunarodno-pravovoy-rezhim-arktiki.html
        1. +1
          19 May 2017 23: 46
          Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
          Well, and looked and what's next?

          And the fact that the Arctic islands and archipelagos of the Soviet sector of the Arctic were Russian, Russian remained. And I don’t need links to the Ukrainian site, there is also a UN site.
          1. +1
            19 May 2017 23: 49
            Quote: Amurets
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            Well, and looked and what's next?

            And the fact that the Arctic islands and archipelagos of the Soviet sector of the Arctic were Russian, Russian remained.

            I'm not talking about the islands, but about the water area north of them ...
    3. +3
      19 May 2017 20: 58
      You don’t know the geography of Mont Sher, For example, the archipelagos Novaya Zemlya, Severnaya Zemlya, Franz Joseph Land, Novosibirsk Islands, Wrangel Island (not a general), and all the coasts!
      "But would you know, lads, like swearing horns, they cry our ridiculous island of Buyan?"
      - Yak? -
      - Newfoundland! Having gone !!!! "(Vladimir Sverzhin." Three-headed eagle ")
  3. +12
    19 May 2017 05: 55
    Great article !!! Thank . And all the previous ones only cause respect for Comrade Staver ....
  4. +6
    19 May 2017 06: 19
    I thought Medvedev blew when he sailed on his yacht on the Neva, and it turns out that a man burned out at work
    1. +5
      19 May 2017 06: 43
      laughing And you google photos. They are on the official website ... Putin is wearing a cap, and Medvedev is blue in a fur hat lol
      1. +6
        19 May 2017 06: 56
        They do not like Medvedev in our country, I think this is after Libya
        1. +18
          19 May 2017 07: 45
          Yes, no, I personally began to dislike him after the initiatives of his government and around government circles, which again want to squeeze the last juices out of the people like under Yeltsin, such as raising the retirement age so that the unemployed pay for a medical center, an initiative to increase VAT, so that there is a tax on small families and such initiatives from this liberoid government a bunch
          1. Zib
            0
            31 March 2018 23: 11
            Simple arithmetic.

            We have 146 million people in our country.

            Of them:
            pence 38 million

            disabled 12 million

            This is 50 illn. And everyone needs an allowance / pension.

            And also lifespan increases.

            And about what not raising retirement age and increase in retirement is there to say? The face will not crack winked ? Who will earn on benefits if there are more dependents than workers?

            Summary: penny. age must be raised necessarily - this is an objective necessity.
        2. +3
          19 May 2017 14: 20
          and the one who is in the topic, even after South Ossetia.
          1. vch
            +5
            19 May 2017 15: 27
            After her first! How much time and how many human lives have been lost because of him !! He put it on his pants and didn’t know what to do !!
        3. +3
          20 May 2017 01: 09
          Quote: Astarte
          They do not like Medvedev in our country

          A good half of the population does not like. How does the evil half of the population feel about him, even scary to think feel
  5. +2
    19 May 2017 07: 41
    ok, u
    we need to quickly resume the construction of modernized strategic missile carriers Tu -160 and make at least 2 aircraft per year

    that's enough for a start
    1. +3
      19 May 2017 08: 32
      Already resumed, although one such machine costs at least $ 700 million. According to preliminary estimates, the Russian Defense Ministry plans to bring the number of strategic missile carriers to 50 units. (Here it is taken into account that the Tu-95 will gradually be decommissioned or put on conservation)
      1. +3
        19 May 2017 10: 03
        When they build at least 1 in a state of alert, they have resumed, but for now they are only trying.
      2. 0
        19 May 2017 18: 07
        700 lyam tu190 !!! despite the fact that the used machine.
        1. +7
          19 May 2017 18: 23
          No young man Tu 160, Given that the American B-2 spirit costs about 2 yards, 700 is very little. And the fact that our White Swan surpasses everything possible standing nearby .. Honor and praise to the Russian gunsmiths
          1. +1
            20 May 2017 14: 17
            A price comparison is good, but you should take into account that the salaries of specialists and the cost of materials are higher there + what is the ruble exchange rate since 2014.
    2. +3
      19 May 2017 12: 01
      I'm more interested in resuming the ekranoplan program. Moreover, in that area they are expanse.
      1. 0
        19 May 2017 23: 29
        Quote: Krasniy_lis
        I'm more interested in resuming the ekranoplan program. Moreover, in that area they are expanse.

        What ekranoplanes, what expanse?

        https://topwar.ru/6094-rossiya-vozobnovlyaet-sobs
        tvennye-programmy-po-stroitelstvu-ekranoplanov.ht
        ml
        There 9 months from 12 in the year the ice fetters everything ....
    3. +1
      19 May 2017 21: 00
      Better T-100! And this "ugly duckling", the brainchild of Tupolev and Ustinov, still does not reach him ......
  6. +1
    19 May 2017 08: 55
    Yes, let the screaming cry and snot let less attention, we will pay more quickly calm down
    1. +3
      19 May 2017 10: 04
      Let them cry all the time and do not calm down!

      And we will throw more surprises;)
  7. +8
    19 May 2017 09: 06
    God forbid
    I liked the article too, and about Medvedev I began to have a negative attitude towards him after 08.08 his confusion mumbled something not sure VV came from Pikin and clearly laid out everything on the shelves
  8. BAI
    +4
    19 May 2017 09: 40
    Yes, the West at the parade, as always, was most impressed with the female battalions. And the development of the Arctic (including an increase in military presence) is associated with the Strategy for Economic Security of Russia, about which VO wrote today (http://finobzor.ru/show-38071-ekonomika-ne-po-ku
    drinu.html).
    1. +2
      19 May 2017 09: 59
      maybe it's time to get Svalbard back
      1. +2
        19 May 2017 21: 02
        Now it is already difficult. Moreover, DAM to the Norwegians also wrote off part of the shelf (who would say, but I'm afraid to be banned) ....
  9. +11
    19 May 2017 10: 43
    The Arctic - reserves of resources, and without military cover, we simply will not be allowed to mine them ... Remember Greenpeace’s attack on Prilazlomnaya, it’s strange, but in the Gulf of Mexico you don’t hear anything about Greenpeace’s attacks on at least one of several thousand oil rigs, but there were accidents and the pollution was huge ... So it was just intelligence, maybe they were even used in the dark, the participants themselves did not even suspect about it ... Not the point ... The army will not be there, we won’t be allowed to get anything there ... And everything else is a byproduct ... We can bomb the USA only with missiles, no planes can penetrate US air defense, and missiles will fly through the south pole, if we need to ...
    1. +1
      19 May 2017 18: 09
      There from Greenpeace the emblem remained, the rest)))))
  10. +3
    19 May 2017 11: 03
    We do not need to conquer the Arctic, the Russians have always been there!
    1. 0
      19 May 2017 11: 18
      That’s always direct, always. Even when the ancient Ukry Black Sea dug, or a little later? Learn lessons, analyst
      1. +2
        19 May 2017 13: 38
        Quote: Astarte
        That’s always direct, always. Even when the ancient Ukry Black Sea dug, or a little later? Learn lessons, analyst

        Well, the Ukrainians say that Alaska was theirs, and the Russians took it from them!
  11. +6
    19 May 2017 11: 35
    According to the charter overseas sculptures below minus 8 degrees, you can’t take weapons and rely on diapers. So in the Arctic zone there is no likely enemy, and in theory - and in practice, they will freeze. They are masters of bombing and clearing the unarmed countries of the Middle East, and here they are afraid to pry their nose, the bear will bite
    1. +7
      19 May 2017 11: 54
      the worst mistake is to underestimate your opponent. Of course, everyone had already heard about that news, laughed, but the Americans had already drawn their conclusions and started to act (and even if they didn’t start, it’s stupid to deny that their army is quite combat-ready). So we better act, not laugh, otherwise we ourselves will remain fools.
      Laughter is useful when it is in moderation :)
    2. +5
      19 May 2017 12: 39
      Quote: Tolik_74
      According to the charter overseas sculptures below minus 8 degrees, you can’t take weapons and rely on diapers. So in the Arctic zone there is no likely enemy, and in theory - and in practice, they will freeze. They are masters of bombing and clearing the unarmed countries of the Middle East, and here they are afraid to pry their nose, the bear will bite

      Americans have long had no problems with uniforms for extreme cold, and we have just begun to master the layer system.
      1. 0
        19 May 2017 23: 37
        Quote: Mechanicum
        Americans have long had no problems with uniforms for extreme cold, and we have just begun to master the layer system.

        Have you personally worn American uniforms in the Arctic?
        This week alone, the publication was on VO:
        During the Joint Viking 2017 exercise, conducted in early March in the area of ​​the Russian-Norwegian border, approximately 200 of American marines were involved. It turned out that their equipment is not suitable for temperature conditions below minus 45 degrees.

        That the problem came out with the "editorial assignment" Mechanicum, the chief editor will be dissatisfied with you ....
        1. +1
          20 May 2017 10: 15
          So little hack that our explosives are trying to buy 7/6/5 layers American or similar from American materials if they have such an opportunity, and almost everyone who has the ability to wear foreign equipment and wear their clothes. And also the fact that we copied the American system, a copy of the worst (compared to the original) materials could not be better.

          The problem is that in the original there is no such thing (more precisely, there is a word, but the meaning is different). We read the original article in English without intermediaries and stop talking nonsense, the marines incorrectly used the layers.
          1. 0
            20 May 2017 12: 58

            0
            Mechanicum Today, 10: 15 ↑ New
            So hack that our explosives are trying to buy 7 / 6 / 5 layers American or similar from American materials if they have such an opportunity

            In the manufacture of the costume used materials of domestic production and the Republic of Belarus. ....... when creating the kit, we relied more on the experience of creating work clothes for our companies operating in especially cold climates and clothes for Russian polar explorers, while taking into account the military specifics (compatibility with equipment - body armor, bulletproof vest, unloading, carrying elements) "

            http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/92/1794697.html
            The uniform is created on the principle of multi-layer from a combination of natural and synthetic materials.

            http://www.alt.kp.ru/daily/26353.4/3234600/
            Arctic equipment was created on a modular basis, and military personnel can combine its various elements to create a comfortable state, depending on climatic conditions and activity level. It provides high mobility and freedom of movement of the military in a particularly cold climate, the convenience of carrying weapons, equipment and elements of armor protection, allows you to quickly dress and undress in emergency situations, mask on the ground.

            http://www.arctic-info.ru/news/arkticeskaa-gryppi
            rovka-voisk-polycit-novoe-obmyndirovanie- /
            in the original there is no such thing (more precisely, there is a word, but the meaning is different). We read the original article in English without intermediaries and stop talking nonsense, the marines incorrectly used the layers.

            Sources in the "studio", no, well then stop talking nonsense ...
            1. +1
              20 May 2017 15: 46
              What is the source of the fact that the Americans have ecwcs layer system from 85 of the year? Or the fact that our explosives are often in western gear?
              Here is the original source http://www.defensenews.com/articles/when-fighting
              -outside-in-50-degree-temperatures-the-enemy-is-m
              oisture
              1. 0
                20 May 2017 18: 21
                Quote: Mechanicum
                What is the source of the fact that the Americans have ecwcs layer system from 85 of the year? Or the fact that our explosives are often in western gear?
                Here is the original source http://www.defensenews.com/articles/when-fighting
                -outside-in-50-degree-temperatures-the-enemy-is-m
                oisture

                This one:
                And also the fact that we copied the American system, a copy of the worst (compared to the original) materials could not be better.

                I sent you references, now send a refutation that our golimy counterfeit was copied from the Americans, but not done by ourselves ...

                The borrowing of military equipment and not only Arctic equipment occurs in all countries, because no country can do all the best alone ...
                1. +1
                  20 May 2017 19: 51
                  The system of layers is copied, the layers are identical in purpose, but again it is issued as "unique without analogues", there are no bases for clothes for polar explorers, because something is not very similar.
                  1. 0
                    20 May 2017 19: 55
                    Quote: Mechanicum
                    The system of layers is copied, the layers are identical in purpose, but again it is issued as "unique without analogues", there are no bases for clothes for polar explorers, because something is not very similar.

                    Not convincing. The boss will be dissatisfied with you, do not ask about the prize ....
    3. +3
      19 May 2017 20: 03
      11.35. Tolik! Regarding the suppression of opponents, the United States has vast and successful experience. And to suppress the enemy it is not necessary to climb on your own. In terms of military experience, they accumulate it well. Everyone is yelling about nuclear weapons, but the United States is fighting very effectively with small arms and donkeys laden with gold. They have PMCs and international organizations in their arsenal, there is the IMF and NPOs, there are humanitarian organizations and nature protection organizations ... Therefore, one should not neglect the Americans. They overwhelmed the USSR and its supporters. So our partners are fighting very well, but with different weapons. hi
  12. +3
    19 May 2017 12: 02
    The Arctic strategy is extremely important in our overall state defense strategy. A significant part of our strategic forces should go precisely to the Arctic and Siberia and become inaccessible to the American missile defense beyond the additional belts of our missile defense. Our cruise missiles, with which we must achieve absolute superiority, will deal with NATO's European missile defense bases and, in general, the advanced areas of NATO forces basing. Moreover, a significant part of the hostilities can be transferred to the Arctic and in the conventional war. Here it is possible to deliver a crushing blow to the enemy precisely because in this region the whole huge hostile block opposing us cannot achieve an advantage. And we must have the ability to land on the northern coast of the most hostile continent to us. Finally, it is necessary to provide reliable protection for the northern sea route, which very soon will acquire strategic global significance. And the last one. Perhaps it is in the Arctic and the northern regions that the key to our future economic revival and prosperity lies.
  13. +5
    19 May 2017 12: 39
    Quote: Tolik_74
    According to the charter overseas sculptures below minus 8 degrees, you can not take weapons and rely diapers.

    But really? And who then accompanied our Tu-95 in Alaska, but what about the military base in Anchorage? Where is the average winter -28.
    Before you even google writing nonsense, an underestimated adversary is a step towards defeat.
    1. +1
      20 May 2017 00: 36
      Quote: staviator
      Quote: Tolik_74
      According to the charter overseas sculptures below minus 8 degrees, you can not take weapons and rely diapers.

      But really? And who then accompanied our Tu-95 in Alaska, but what about the military base in Anchorage? Where is the average winter -28.
      Before you even google writing nonsense, an underestimated adversary is a step towards defeat.

      But still, both ours and the Americans are far from the British, Dutch and Norwegians, who have been conducting exercises in Northern Norway for half a century ....
      According to the British themselves, the experience of these exercises helped a lot in the war for the Falklands ....
  14. 0
    19 May 2017 12: 47
    Victory stories are still far away. But the little white fluffy animal, under the common Russian name Arctic fox, waved its tail at the mattresses.
  15. +3
    19 May 2017 12: 56
    Fight in the open, even for polar rare earths, no one will. Well, until you get it right. But nobody will forbid them to use their favorite “indirect action strategy”. We recall - when in Ukraine began "buhurt", flowing smoothly into the "butt"? Right - 2013-14, i.e. just when the Russian Federation seriously showed interest in the "North" in general and the Arctic in particular. So what are waiting for! The Arctic is, of course, the final prize, but its fate will be decided, let’s say, “elsewhere”!
  16. +3
    19 May 2017 12: 57




    Military base Elmendorf-Richardson.
  17. +3
    19 May 2017 13: 24
    Why did the West not see all this? And suddenly he regained his sight. It's all about ... the president

    Rather, in the Crimea. Prior to this, NATO did not consider Russia an adversary.
    1. 0
      19 May 2017 14: 40
      Quote: Antifascist
      Rather, in the Crimea. Prior to this, NATO did not consider Russia an adversary.

      Yes of course. Calm down already, the "daughter of an officer" Crimea is ours, and you Svidomo great Ukrainians do not see him as their ears. laughing
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  19. +4
    19 May 2017 14: 57
    Quote: Mechanicum
    Quote: Tolik_74
    According to the charter overseas sculptures below minus 8 degrees, you can’t take weapons and rely on diapers. So in the Arctic zone there is no likely enemy, and in theory - and in practice, they will freeze. They are masters of bombing and clearing the unarmed countries of the Middle East, and here they are afraid to pry their nose, the bear will bite

    Americans have long had no problems with uniforms for extreme cold, and we have just begun to master the layer system.

    About two hundred US Marines seriously froze during exercises near the Russian-Norwegian border in early March 2017. According to media reports, their equipment could not withstand Arctic frosts and the humid climate of the far North. It turned out that the membrane layers do not work at temperatures of -46 degrees Celsius.
    "In a battle fifty degrees below zero, moisture becomes the enemy," a Defense News report said.
    In this case, as stated by a representative of the Swedish manufacturer of winter military clothing, the creators of the uniform for the U.S. Marines did not take into account the fact that moisture that is formed from body heat can freeze on layers of clothing.
    “But they did not understand this trick,” he explained.
    Recall that the exercises were held in Finnmark in March 2017.
    Mechanicum, do not buzi!
    1. +2
      20 May 2017 10: 29
      Where does it come from:
      "At the same time, as stated by a representative of the Swedish manufacturer of winter military clothing, US Marines uniform makers didn'tthat moisture that forms from body heat can freeze on layers of clothing. "
      In the original article, I do not see this. And by the way, this is generally enchanting, because the Scandinavians use a similar system of layers.
      Ps I'm talking about fat.
      Pss Here is the original http://www.defensenews.com/articles/when-fighting
      -outside-in-50-degree-temperatures-the-enemy-is-m
      oisture sick of translating with "additions."
      1. +1
        20 May 2017 10: 59
        By the way, the article has two paragraphs of advertising:
        "Torraka's gear is lightweight and designed to send moisture to the outer layer, through a waterproof Gortex membrane and into a layer between the outer shell where it will freeze. The fabrics in the base and mid-layers are all surprisingly light, and all are quick-drying to minimize the risk of freezing. The layers are also easy to put on and remove.
        The system that they are selling to Scandinavian countries, including Norway, is designed to be used anywhere from moderately cold conditions with wet snow falling, all the way down to about -50 degrees, Rydholm said. "
        Which a little "hints". And if you read the article normally, then you can see this sentence: "One cold-weather gear expert said that's because just adding layers doesn't solve the problems faced when troops need to fight in temperatures that drop as low as -50 degrees Fahrenheit or colder. "-" The cold gear expert said that simply because adding layers does not solve the problems that soldiers face when they need to deal with temperatures of -45,5 and lower. "
  20. +3
    19 May 2017 15: 01
    Activity in the Arctic is not casual! Would we spend trillions on the Arctic for no good reason?

    The protection of the NSR is a very primitive explanation for such a scale, and the only explanation lies in the plane of creating in the Arctic an isolated region for our strategic nuclear forces and missile defense systems with a missile defense system, where until the United States can assign a strategic drone to each of our submarines or ships for reconnaissance and target designation, nor does it flood the region with its ships with missile defense systems.
  21. +1
    19 May 2017 16: 20
    Quote: bandabas
    The main thing is not to "cut" into "combat icebreakers". A "cut" will go. No wonder that Nanasklokovo was created under the strict guidance of a gadget lover.

    Explain how skolkovo affects the Navy? So, so far no inventions of nano-stuffs have been accepted in shipbuilding.
  22. +1
    20 May 2017 01: 17
    military parade "tears the roof" from NATO generals

    Who is ripping off? Where is the panic? I did not notice. Everything that the author wrote here is similar to the war that Russia declared NATO in the Arctic, but the NATO countries did not come to this war.
    Yes, they were not going to attack the Russian Arctic lands. That would mean an immediate nuclear war.
    There are other problems in the Arctic. There FOSS is needed. So do FOSS. Who does not give? Instead, soldiers with machine guns in tents on ice floes.
    Bullshit all this - white equipment on Red Square, and even on the eve of summer.
    1. 0
      20 May 2017 04: 31
      Do you see a gopher? Not? But he is ... lol
      1. +1
        20 May 2017 13: 10
        Quote: domokl
        Do you see a gopher? Not? But he is ...

        If a gopher. The author of the article claims that this is an elephant.
        I regularly review the Western press. They also do not see this elephant point blank.
        No one gives links in the Russian segment. Hysteria is only on our side, from which I conclude that the image of an elephant was created only for domestic consumption.
        Why was the technique painted in white at the beginning of May? Or is it only I see that she is white?
        Or the assumption that NATO generals will tear the roof off at the sight of white armored personnel carriers?
        Do not rip.
    2. 0
      20 May 2017 13: 12

      0
      Vladimir Postnikov Today, 01: 17
      military parade "tears the roof" from NATO generals
      Who is ripping off? Where is the panic? I did not notice. Everything that the author wrote here is similar to the war that Russia declared NATO in the Arctic, but the NATO countries did not come to this war.
      Yes, they were not going to attack the Russian Arctic lands. That would mean an immediate nuclear war.

      Yes, in general, NATO is not a closed military-political bloc, but the community of philatelists and patrols of our Arctic PLA / SSBNs are not conducted by them and the base patrol aircraft and NATO reconnaissance planes do not fly there, and for some reason America does not recognize the sectoral section of the Arctic and says that it is a world heritage and NATO infrastructure has not expanded anywhere since 1989, especially to the East ...
      To disperse all these Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, still no one will attack ....
      Bullshit all this - white technique on Red Square

      I agree, the equipment created during the USSR is given out as modern, I think they will write the Arctic troops of the Russian Federation re-equipped with modern B and BT by 100% ....
      1. 0
        20 May 2017 13: 22
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        For some reason, America does not recognize the sectoral division of the Arctic and says that it is a world asset

        And who in the world recognizes the sectoral division of the Arctic?
        For information: the southern countries likewise sectorally divided Antarctica. Who, besides them, recognizes this?
        Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
        and the community of philatelists and patrolling our Arctic PLA / SSBNs are not conducted by them

        Didn't I mention FOSS here? Read my "History of the creation of shock underwater drones in Russia 1999-2015 gg.". I believe that you will agree that these are different organs of the body and should not be confused.
        1. 0
          20 May 2017 13: 41
          Vladimir Postnikov

          And who in the world recognizes the sectoral division of the Arctic?

          All subarctic states except the US ....
          Didn't I mention FOSS here? Read my "History of the creation of shock underwater drones in Russia 1999-2015 gg.".

          Not in the subject. But we can’t do without the WB in the Arctic, all the Arctic states are doing the same, we just have more territory, so it seems to everyone that we are preparing to seize the territories ....
          With your FOSS, you need a base and repair system ....
          To serve the NSR, in addition to the military component, we also need a civilian infrastructure, but here we can’t do without foreign investments (China, South Caucasus, Japan, India, etc.) ....
          1. 0
            20 May 2017 13: 58
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            And who in the world recognizes the sectoral division of the Arctic?

            All subarctic states except the US ....

            This is not the whole world. I have not in vain mentioned all the Antarctic states.
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            But we can’t do without WB in the Arctic

            Yes, not military bases are needed there, but complex observation points for the situation, and special emphasis today should be placed on uninhabited ones. And they were needed there yesterday.
            Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
            To serve the NSR, in addition to the military component, we also need a civilian infrastructure, but here we can’t do without foreign investments (China, South Caucasus, Japan, India, etc.) ....

            About the NSR I do not want to discuss anything. V. Putin a few days ago after meeting with the Chinese made it clear enough that their NSR is not interested, and they will not invest in this way. India this route to one place. South Korea and Japan - a separate conversation. I was sure that it would be so. Therefore, it is better to forget about the NSR for now.
  23. 0
    20 May 2017 03: 13
    Arctic...
    It was a "breach in our defense"!
    Perfection of delivery systems for ICBMs and cruise missiles ...
    So grown ...
    What a little ... Cover up space ...
    It's time to cover access to the strategic depths of Russia ...
    Through the arctic expanses ...
    It is also important that we begin exploration and trial development ...
    Arctic minerals ...
    Our mining areas ... Need protection!
  24. 0
    20 May 2017 09: 31
    Yesterday, in the "News" showed NATO exercises in northern Finland. "Valiant" warriors froze for hell. And the equipment could not stand it, and the equipment and the soldiers were liquidish. And gathered in the Arctic ...
  25. 0
    20 May 2017 13: 30
    Quote: Astarte
    They do not like Medvedev in our country, I think this is after Libya

    No, it’s for his boltology, he speaks with his tongue, not thinking how the majority lives, the impression is made, and he has no idea ....
  26. 0
    20 May 2017 14: 55
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    According to the British themselves, the experience of these exercises helped a lot in the war for the Falklands ....

    How did he help them there if the islands have a freezing temperature in winter, then we are talking about Arctic conditions.
    1. 0
      20 May 2017 15: 00
      Here the English were helped by intensive training in Northern Norway.

      The text at the bottom of the article.
      http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/38900/99/Mi
      ller _-_ Kommandos._Formirovanie% 2C_podgotovka% 2C_v
      ydayushchiesya_operacii_specpodrazdeleniii.html
      1. 0
        20 May 2017 15: 16
        It’s just about the climate where it’s probably very humid, the more the war went on in the spring and summer, WELL WHAT ARE THE MINUS, EXTREME TEMPERATURES? request
        1. 0
          20 May 2017 15: 28
          There is not a word about the climate.
          Here the British helped intensive training in northern Norway.

          In Norway, especially in its northern part, exercises of the joint armed forces are regularly held, in which NATO mobile forces, units and units of the armed forces of the USA, Great Britain, Canada, Germany and other countries participating in the bloc take part. During the exercises, the organization of the transfer of NATO troops to Norway is being worked out, the theater of military operations is being studied and mastered, various options for conducting military operations as part of the combined forces are being played.

          http://zvo.su/voennye-problemy/vooruzhennye-sily-
          norvegii.html
          1. +1
            21 May 2017 10: 55
            There is not a word about the climate.

            In the Falkland War, both sides used their special units in stocks that they had been preparing for years. The main enemy of the commandos was the climate. Here the English were helped by intensive training in Northern Norway.
  27. 0
    20 May 2017 18: 06
    If sectoral division, then + Alaska in their native harbor and tads, you can talk at least Norway, at least with Denmark, at least with Canada, even with all taken square
  28. 0
    21 May 2017 10: 15
    This had to be done 40-50 years ago. And then a good friend told me how he served in the border guards in Kamchatka in the 70s. He says that he saw several times under the ice of a river that something big went deep into our territory, and at the frontier guard what kind of Kalashnikov’s armament and several grenades are passed. They are transferred to the outpost. Something big passed under the ice up the river. From there the answer is, Wait until it comes out. Wait, it’s up, you can go to the outpost. That's all ... By the way, he said that sometimes frozen people came across, they tried through the Berengov Strait to America at go. Yes, most likely no one has reached. Yes, and the border guards paid the Chukchi ammunition, products for the heads of such "travelers" Here the Chukchi brought their heads in bags. And from whom he sawed off this head, from a frozen one or he helped to die before his head cut-not asked. "The boss brought the heads ..."
  29. 0
    21 May 2017 19: 18
    cranes for pediatricians
  30. 0
    21 May 2017 19: 22
    full zdets
  31. +17
    5 June 2017 13: 34
    Too optimistic article. In terms of the country's defense, not everything is so smooth.

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