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F-35A and the new look of Hel Haavir. Netanyahu's loud statement "stumbles" about the power of modern Iranian air defense

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More and more News comes about the promotion of stealth multi-functional fighter aircraft of the F-35A / B / C family in the US and Eurasian arms markets, as well as in the arms market of the Asia-Pacific region. Despite all the known tactical and technical shortcomings of these machines (among them there is a low angular turning speed, a small combat radius of 800-1100 km, a maximum speed of 1,65M and a supersonic cruising speed of only 1300 km / h), “Lightning- II ”continue to confidently occupy the most important operational-tactical sectors in the air forces of countries friendly to the American regime. For example, the British division of MBDA, with the support of Lockheed Martin, is carrying out work to integrate the Meteor Air Defense Forces and other promising missile and bomb weapons into Block 4 software, which by 2024 will receive the Royal Navy's F-35B deployed on aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth.

In the United States, the bulk of the F-35A / B test activities have already been completed, and the Navy has focused on perfecting the main deck version of the F-35C, which has a large wing area, maneuverability, range, but worse speed performance. F-35C is exclusively for fleet and the United States Marine Corps and are not exported. For example, at the end of April of this year, the destruction of a moving car by the 500-pound guided bomb bomb GBU-12 Paveway II was worked out. The tests will continue.

Such customers as the Defense Ministry of Australia, Japan, Turkey, the Netherlands, Denmark, etc., just wait for the fulfillment of the contracts for the supply of Lightning modification F-35A, counting on the repeated strengthening of the combat potential of its Air Force. The exception is Italy, where the F-35A / B is mass-produced for both the national air force and the air force of the Netherlands. The assembly facilities of the Leonardo / Lockheed Martin joint unit are located at the Italian Defense Ministry’s facility in Cameri.

As early as the middle and the end of the first decade of the 21st century, interest in cars of this type was caused by the powerful American lobby through the defense ministries of the Washington allies, while at the same time this interest was further reinforced by the reduced cost of F-35A. The cheapening of these fighters was caused by harsh criticism from the newly elected US President Donald Trump regarding the “uncontrollability” of unit prices, which significantly reduced the competitiveness of the entire Lightning family. After the statements of the head of the White House, the value of the shares of Lockheed Martin fell by 4,2%, which, according to the company's headquarters, will bring the value of F-35A to the mark of 85 million.

Well, it’s quite acceptable that experts, as a carbon copy, polled by Gazeta.Ru, would thoughtlessly predict a decline in the competitiveness of our multipurpose 4 ++ fighter Su-35С and MiG-35С against the background of “cheap and cool” F-35A. But not everything is so simple here: F-35A is not at all as fierce as they want to be, and this is not the same amount of freedom to 85 millions of dollars. This is seen very well by the example of the replenishment of the Israeli Air Force (Hel Haavir) with F-35A “Adir” fighters. The first pair of machines for training pilots and maintenance personnel was transferred from the USA to the Israeli Nevatim airbase even on December 12 of 2016. Then, on April 23 of 2017, the Adir 3, which increased the Israeli Lightning-II fleet to 5 units, was transferred to the same Avb. In total, under the terms of the three contracts with a total value of 8,5 billion, concluded from October 2010 of the year to November 2016, by the 2021 year, the Nevatim airbase will be equipped with an air wing from 50 F-35A.


F-35A "Adir" and F-16I "Sufa"


During the December ceremonial meeting of the first two “Adirovs”, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hurried to raise the significance of adopting the F-35A to the level of strategic victory, stating that “Israel will gain supremacy in all without exception theaters of operations, including the maritime, ground and air. Against the background of a radically modernizing anti-aircraft / anti-missile defense of the Islamic Republic of Iran, this statement looks not only unconvincing, but akin to the real "fables" of the Israeli leadership. It is quite easy to justify by comparing the tactical and technical characteristics of the F-35A with the geographical features of Asia Minor and the parameters of Iran’s air defense and RTR equipment, as well as based on the fact that the current Israeli air force personnel (in accordance with the costs of the Big Game and the agreement with In the Russian Federation, it has not yet been possible to converge in real combat with the newest means of air defense against the Concern VKO Almaz-Antey, which cover our facilities in Tartus and Khmeimim. The only most successful military action of Hel Haavir can be considered only a long-standing operation called “Opera”. 6 June 1981 The Israeli F-8A "Netz" was destroyed by the Iraqi Ozirak nuclear reactor, located in 16 km southeast of Baghdad. The operation was thought out to the smallest detail, and the flight of the X-NUMX-x links of the F-19A sometimes took place at the height of the 2-16 m.

Nevertheless, it is not at all necessary to consider the outcome of this operation to be something super-unique. The reactor was covered: the Pechora C-125 anti-aircraft missile system (3 batteries), the XRUMN Kvadrat 5 batteries, several Roland FRSs, as well as the C-60 and ZN-23-2 batteries. Self-propelled aerial positions reconnaissance and guidance 1S91 complexes "square" and CHP-125 guidance station complexes "Pechora" have low noise immunity and absolutely could not work in a jamming environment, which was set up stations of electronic warfare fighter F-15A, included in 133-Squadron . This is confirmed by the information from the Soviet officer Valery Eremenko who was present at the Kvadrat PBU, who later said that when the Needles squadron approached, the indicator of the surveillance radar began to display only a white veil of interference. Obviously, because of the suddenness of the strike, the operators of Quadrats and Pechora did not have time to use the auxiliary optical-electronic sights with a TV-channel tracking. Moreover, the setting sun from the approach of the Israeli attack wing, which complicated the work of television and optical systems, was not playing into the hands of the Iraqi ZRDN calculations. It was such a situation that the high-tech Hel Haavir air group was opposed to the obsolete Iraqi air defense system on the Soviet element base of the early 70's. A similar trick of the Israeli Air Force against Iranian strategic facilities will turn for the first into a real nightmare. And F-35A are no exception. There can be no talk of any "total superiority" Hel Haavir in the airspace of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

All the strategically important military-industrial facilities of Iran, the port cities on the Persian Gulf coast, research centers, including the nuclear research center in Esfahan, are now hiding behind the recently delivered Russian S-300PMU-2 “Favorit” air defense missile systems in the 4 divisions. The divisions are optimally distributed to protect the airspace over Bandar Abbas, Bushehr, Esfahan and Tehran. They are also integrated into the developed and modernized automated control system (ACS) of the Iranian air defense system, which through the tropospheric radio communication provides the exchange of information about the tactical air situation between 5 known air defense centers, including a total of 28 air defense groups. Encrypted radio channels of communication with the FHR provide more or less adequate security in data transmission both between the air defense defense system and the central headquarters of the Iranian air defense forces.


96L6E all-altitude detector, attached to one of the Iranian-purchased C-300PMU-2 anti-aircraft missiles


Sources of radar information for this automated control system are both dozens of separate radio intelligence reconnaissance systems of various classes operating in different wavelengths, as well as radar detectors attached to anti-aircraft missile systems. All of these funds are mostly located on the hills and southern highlands of Iran’s most powerful mountain system, Zagros, and the radii and sectors of their review often “overlap”, and far from the maximum range. It forms in the airspace of Iran (including low-altitude rocket-hazardous areas in the mountains) a reliable radar field that does not let even the smallest high-precision weapons weapons, not to mention such objects as the F-35A "Adir", the F-16I "Sufa" and the "strategic asset" Hel Haavir - the tactical fighter F-15I "Ra`am". The arsenal of modern anti-aircraft missiles 48H6Е2, SD2M and "Bavar-373" is enough to destroy a decent number of Israeli fighters.

So, in service with the radio engineering units of the Iranian air defense system are meter radar long-range radar detection 1L119 "Sky-SVU". With round-robin in standby mode, this radar can detect an F-35A target (EPR 0,2-0,3 м2) at a distance to 120-150 km at medium and high altitude, the standard F-16I target can be detected at a distance 330-340 km (flight altitude about 15000 m). The altitude of the detection reaches 40 km. In the “trail targets” (tracking) mode, the altitude of work can reach low-orbit plots in 140 km, and the beam elevation angle to 45 degrees, thanks to which Sky-SVU can participate in the territorial anti-missile defense system as an early warning device.

One of the most important details pointing to the highest information illumination of the Iranian operational air defense centers is the assignment of long-range X-NXXL300 radar complexes to anti-aircraft missile systems C-2PMU-96 Favorit. 6 March 4 of this year became known about this, when photos of the first “Favorite” tests in the structure of the Iranian air defense system were distributed on the Middle East and Russian Internet with a link to www.iribnews. The technical feature of the BBO 2017L96E, which is clearly not in favor of the Israeli F-6A and the managed Spice-35 planning bombs, is centimeter C-band operation (from 250 to 4 GHz with a wavelength range from 8 to 7,5 cm). At these frequencies, high-precision multifunctional radars for illumination and targeting of air defense systems, for example, AN / MPQ-3,75 of the Patriot complexes, usually work with high accuracy, determine the location of the target and highlight it with rockets from PARGSN. 53Л96Е is capable of detecting aerospace attack weapons at altitudes up to 6 km and has 100 basic operating modes.

The first, in fact, is all-altitude detection. In this mode, the directivity pattern covers an elevated sector from -3 to 20º, while small targets that are moving at a speed of 4320 km / h can be detected. A negative beam downgrade angle of -3º indicates excellent opportunities for tracking low-altitude targets from high elevations as an IEE (the distance of the radio horizon along low-flying tactical aviation and cruise missiles). The second mode includes sector detection. In this case, the airspace scan area is limited to an azimuthal sector of 120º and an elevation sector from 0 to 60º. Hypersonic RS, aeroballistic and ballistic objects with speeds of up to 10100 km / h can be detected; in the list of targets: anti-radar missiles, air-to-air missiles, SAM, guided bombs, stealth tactical aviation, UAVs. The third mode is low altitude. With the help of it, most of the known STS are discovered, “creeping” towards targets in the mode of enveloping the terrain. The high-speed detection limit here is 4320 km / h, and the scanning sector is from 0 to 1,5 degrees. The advantage of this mode is a faster update rate of 6 seconds. The target detection range with an EPR of 0,1 m2 for the BBO is approximately 125 km, with an EPR of 3 m2 - about 300 km.

In the C-300PMU-2 complex architecture, the 96Л6Е high-altitude detector minimizes the response time for small targets in a difficult jamming environment, its main purpose is similar to the 9X19XXUMUMX Ginger, a radar station of the X-ray-Zn-9N review of the X-Zn-XN-2 300 4 96 6. Moreover, if Iran acquires the Baikal ACS and the ranzhir unified battery command posts, it will be possible to issue target designations with 1ЛXNUMXЕ to the Tor-MXNUMX in service, which will increase the survivability of the entire Iranian air defense system. For the plans of Tel Aviv, the “all-highs” in the “Favorites” can be considered a real headache.

F-35A and the new look of Hel Haavir. Netanyahu's loud statement "stumbles" about the power of modern Iranian air defense

Radar complex "Najm 802"


Radar with solid-state active phased array “Naj 802” is considered to be no less perfect radar. The design of its canvas AFAR has a great similarity with the radar 67H6E "Gamma-DE." Visually, you can count approximately 4608 transceiver modules (2304 MRP in each segment of a folding book-type design), which is 3,6 times more than in Gamma-DE, which may indicate a better resolution of Naj 802. The frequency of its work can vary from 1 to 2-4 GHz (L - S-bands), due to which the station is able to provide target designation for anti-aircraft missiles with active radar homing heads, naturally, with appropriate hardware and software support for synchronizing with the air defense missile system . Interference immunity of this product is also at a decent level, since AFAR can form “dips” in the radiation pattern in a narrow or wide sector of the work of the source of jamming. As you know, this is an ideal method of protection against the most modern EW products, which carriers are F-35A and F / A-18G “Growler”. Great assistance to Iranian specialists in designing “Najr 802” could be made by the Chinese, with the help of whom the Bavar-373, Sayyad-2 complexes as well as the improved Hawk air defense systems appeared in Iran’s air defense system.

But not only due to the above-mentioned means of radio-technical support of the active type of Iranian air defense has an excellent potential in detecting and destroying Israeli tactical aviation (including the advertised "Adir") and high-precision weapons. For these purposes, the Iranian Air Defense Forces have at their disposal the radioactive electronic reconnaissance systems of the passive type 1L222 “Avtobaz” purchased from the Russian Federation. They work on the principle of direction finding radio-emitting air targets at a distance depending on the power of the transmitting device on the enemy’s air carrier (be it a radar or a radio altimeter). Instrumental range is limited to 150 km.

It is quite logical to imagine the following situation. Sooner or later, the leadership of Israel still decides to conduct a “small and victorious” air operation to destroy the Iranian nuclear and rocket production infrastructures located far in the depths of the territory of Iran. Naturally, for conducting pinpoint strikes, Hel Haavir’s command will attract 1 or 2 squadrons (12 or 24 units) of the inconspicuous F-35A fighter jets operating under the cover of such vehicles as Sufa and Raam. The task of the latter will be reduced to air superiority over the Iranian fighter aircraft in the Persian Gulf region, as well as in suppressing the Iranian air defense borders in the western part of the Zagros mountain system with the help of dozens of HARM anti-radar missiles that are planning Spice-250 air bombs. Considering that C-300PMU-2 and Bavar-373 are deployed in Iran’s western VN, the task will be accomplished, but with decent losses for Israelis.


One of the most unpleasant technical issues for F-35A operators is the circular section of the engine nozzle, which absolutely does not help reduce the infrared signature of the engine torch when viewed from the direction into the forward hemisphere ± 20-30º (when the torch does not overlap the body of the fighter). The photo shows the 15-17-meter torch of the high-temperature turbojet Pratt & Whitney F135-100 turbojet F-35A fighter in the afterburner mode. It is about 2 times the size of the torch emerging from the F119-PW-100 TRDDF of the F-22A fighter equipped with flat nozzles with vertical OBT. In aerial collision, even with the old Iranian MiG-29A (not to mention the new MiG-35 or Su-35C machines that will be purchased in the future), high infrared radiation from the Adirov engine nozzles will give out their location for OEPRNK- 29 / OLS-UEM


At this moment, the main shock level of the barely noticeable F-35A “Adir” will most likely be able to find an “unseen” Iranian radar “loophole” between the Zagros mountain ranges, after which it will rush to the battlefield. Further 200 or more kilometers of flight in Iranian airspace will become a huge problem for Israeli pilots, because all the major military-industrial facilities will be covered by the most modern air defense systems even on long-distance approaches (there is Favorite, Tor-M1, and dozens of others complexes will meet). Adirov will not be able to pass them along tricky trajectories with rounding of the terrain due to the short range at a low altitude (less than 700 - 800 km), and therefore the vehicles will be detected and attacked by modern Iranian air defense missiles just in close proximity to the targets . In this scenario, most of the "strike fist" of the Israeli F-35A will be destroyed. At the same time, some Iranian objects may suffer partly, since part of the Adirov will still have time, before being defeated, to release deadly high-precision equipment for the intended purposes.

In the second case, the Israeli F-35A can be detected by Iranian Sky-SVU, Naj 802 or Kashef-2 RLOs long before approaching the target area. It is appropriate to assume that all the available tactical fighters of the Iranian Air Force (possibly new ones that will be purchased in the coming years) deployed at 6 air bases in the northern part of the state will be sent to intercept. “Adiram” will have to engage in medium-range air combat, which means the AN / APG-81 radar will be switched on for radiation. At this very moment, the Avtobaz 1L222 complexes can play their role. They work in the X and Ku-bands of centimeter waves (from 8 to 15,544 GHz), in which the frequencies of AN / APG-81 lie, which means that after turning on their on-board radars, the Israeli F-35A will become even more "visible" and the possibility of reaching the lines of launching rocket-bomb weapons will be reduced to a minimum. Such a scenario looks extremely plausible, and therefore we can safely say that it is impossible to apply Osirak’s tactics to a state like Iran.

Without a doubt, the deployment of two reinforced squadrons from the 50 F-35A “Adir” at the “Nevatim” airbase will greatly enhance the combat potential of the Israel Air Force. In particular, thanks to the powerful airborne radar with AF / AN / APG-81 and a small radar signature in 0,2-0,3 X 2, the Adir will provide “Hel Haavir” with some advantages in performing air superiority tasks on individual airways, as well as in sudden secretive percussion operations. At the same time, the "total domination" voiced by Netanyahu, the Israeli Air Force can not see as their ears. Moreover, for full-fledged operation in the entire Asian region, the Adirov squadron will require constant support from the Kak-707 “Saknai” air tankers, because the F-35A combat radius is 1,5 times smaller than that of the equipped F-16I “Sufa” fuel tanks ". Tel Aviv, however, has grown only to the point of air strikes on the sly by the Hezbollah units, which provide tremendous support in the destruction of ISIS on Syrian soil.

Information sources:
https://www.aerotime.aero/ru/vpk/18472-vvs-izrailya-poluchili-tri-istrebitelya-f-35a-lightning-2
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/3863102
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  1. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 12 May 2017 06: 41 New
    +12
    Well, hezbollah with Israel is also not chivalrous. This is a relative saying about the stealth!
    And according to the article. About 35 in the West they speak of a child prodigy. And in this article the child prodigy of air defense.
    Each sandpiper praises its swamp. I have vague suspicions that our air defense systems did not end up with the people who could use it, so that later our officers and analysts would not come up with reasons to explain why they and the objects they covered were destroyed.
    1. SUPAHFLY
      SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 06: 56 New
      +2
      F-35I is no longer used except against Iran.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 12 May 2017 12: 14 New
        +19
        The writer of the article, especially the technical one, should, as it were, leave his personal antipathies aside and concentrate on the technical aspects. And the author’s hatred of Israel is literally gushing, devaluing a generally good review. “not seeing one’s ears”, “has grown only to point-and-point airstrikes stealthily” - this is not the language of a reputable observer, but rather the language of the offended.
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 12 May 2017 13: 02 New
          +7
          Quote: xetai9977
          The writer of the article, especially the technical one, should, as it were, leave his personal antipathies aside and concentrate on the technical aspects. And the author’s hatred of Israel is literally gushing, devaluing a generally good review. “not seeing one’s ears”, “has grown only to point-and-point airstrikes stealthily” - this is not the language of a reputable observer, but rather the language of the offended.


          I agree! I myself am a hater of Israel’s actions in the Middle East, but since the author undertook to describe a particular type of military equipment, in this case the Israeli modification of the F-35, let it do it objectively and not mix it with politics ... negative
          1. ancient
            ancient 12 May 2017 18: 07 New
            +19
            Quote: supertiger21
            but since the author undertook to describe a particular type of military equipment, in this case the Israeli modification of the F-35, then let it do it objectively, and not mix it with politics


            I fully support you! As soon as I began to read this "highly instructive instructive tone", Yuto immediately recognized the "hand or ... feather" of Damantsev ... well, and after his next PERLA - "The only most successful military action Hel Haavir can be considered only a long-standing operation called" Opera ". June 6, 1981 ....." I really wanted to send entoy urry-afftor to .... to study, to study the tactics of maintaining the VSS database of a potential enemy! soldier
            Okay ...... here’s the map ... maybe it’s “thinking” and .. “remembers” wassat Is it Khartoum (Sudan) October 24, 2012?


            What about Operation Cast Lead in January 2009? And Tunisia in 1985? And ... in short ... the author ... I'm not going to arrange a LIKBEZ to you soldier

            Further ... the author, you are already determined ... or "No. stealth" or "all kinds of" supersounds with cruising modes "(I recall .. maybe physics was poorly taught, but at M> 1 EPR 9 ANYWHERE) it is measured already in METERS HF wassat
            Further, an all-altitude detector that detects targets at low altitude at ranges of 300 and 125 km? belay wassat ... it’s like in Top Gan ... Tom Cruise "flew on ..WISE", so you have it ... Earth ..... CONVENTED wassat
            But IEE targets with an antenna height of 24 meters ... see the target ... on flat terrain at heights of 50 meters and MORE than everything at ranges of 35-40 km wassat
            Further, "Advanced Hawk" is still ours ... "ancient Smalta" "bent all the zones almost to ZERO !!!
            Further ... the author has not heard of cruise missiles that fly from 500 to 1000 km



            Further ... yes ...... the "competitive" Mig-53C (behind which there is a line of suffering foreign customers and ... I push each other with my elbows screaming ... "Give me more" they are breaking into our Rosoboron export ? wassat

            Further ...... further everything is tired of reading this nonsense and ... comment!
            Here are the articles yesterday from Linnik and his comrades .... a delight to read, and today what ... "the day of the Sivkov and Damantsevs" .... on the "snack of the day something from .. Prokhanov or Kurginyan with Kamenev" and that’s all ..... "the day can be considered .... passed by" soldier
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 12 May 2017 18: 31 New
              +4
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: supertiger21
              but since the author undertook to describe a particular type of military equipment, in this case the Israeli modification of the F-35, then let it do it objectively, and not mix it with politics

              I fully support you! As soon as I began to read this "highly instructive instructive tone", Yuto immediately recognized the "hand or ... feather" of Damantsev ... well, and after his next PERLA - "The only most successful military action Hel Haavir can be considered only a long-standing operation called" Opera ". June 6, 1981 ....." I really wanted to send entoy urry-afftor to .... to study, to study the tactics of maintaining the VSS database of a potential enemy! soldier
              Okay ...... here’s the map ... maybe it’s “thinking” and .. “remembers” wassat Is it Khartoum (Sudan) October 24, 2012?

              What about Operation Cast Lead in January 2009? And Tunisia in 1985? And ... in short ... the author ... I'm not going to arrange a LIKBEZ to you soldier
              Further ... the author, you are already determined ... or "No. stealth" or "all kinds of" supersounds with cruising modes "(I recall .. maybe physics was poorly taught, but at M> 1 EPR 9 ANYWHERE) it is measured already in METERS HF wassat
              Further, an all-altitude detector that detects targets at low altitude at ranges of 300 and 125 km? belay wassat ... it’s like in Top Gan ... Tom Cruise "flew on ..WISE", so you have it ... Earth ..... CONVENTED wassat
              But IEE targets with an antenna height of 24 meters ... see the target ... on flat terrain at heights of 50 meters and MORE than everything at ranges of 35-40 km wassat
              Further, "Advanced Hawk" is still ours ... "ancient Smalta" "bent all the zones almost to ZERO !!!
              Further ... the author has not heard of cruise missiles that fly from 500 to 1000 km

              Further ... yes ...... the "competitive" Mig-53C (behind which there is a line of suffering foreign customers and ... I push each other with my elbows screaming ... "Give me more" they are breaking into our Rosoboron export ? wassat
              Further ...... further everything is tired of reading this nonsense and ... comment!
              Here are the articles yesterday from Linnik and his comrades .... a delight to read, and today what ... "the day of the Sivkov and Damantsevs" .... on the "snack of the day something from .. Prokhanov or Kurginyan with Kamenev" and that’s all ..... "the day can be considered .... passed by" soldier


              They put everything on the shelves and painted good , plus: drinks!
              1. ancient
                ancient 12 May 2017 18: 42 New
                +8
                Quote: supertiger21
                They put everything on the shelves and painted


                Yes, there is ....... "plow and plow"! Yesterday, the article was about F-18. A MAN wrote .. it is MAN with a capital letter9 (although on the site not everyone is a fan of Oleg Kaptsov, but I like him ... even me (not in the sense that I ..it's me lol ) but in terms of the fact that the same ... I know a little chago bully ) and then ..... I read it with such ENRIGHT that .... even wrote to my neighbors the grandfathers the address on the site ... to be revered, but here ........ there are no words ... alone. ..... "sayings" wassat
                1. SCHNIFER
                  SCHNIFER 12 May 2017 20: 38 New
                  +4
                  For Kaptsov +
            2. matak4b
              matak4b 12 May 2017 20: 07 New
              +12
              Only legendary Elena Gromova can compete with Damantsev in terms of pathos, engagement, lack of professionalism and inconsistency of facts of reality.
        2. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 14: 15 New
          +2
          it’s more likely to work for them, the strike will not be pointy even for the penguins 70 pieces at a time can do a lot, and then continue with broken air defense, they can suppress Iranian tomkets simply by a number.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 12 May 2017 16: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: SUPAHFLY
            they can suppress Iranian tomket simply by number.


            By number? For every 35th Israeli, there are 9 Iranian 14ths. It's the opposite here.
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 17: 44 New
              +3
              in Iran 630 F-14, lol?
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 12 May 2017 18: 36 New
                0
                Quote: SUPAHFLY
                in Iran 630 F-14, lol?


                Well, you compare with the Iranian Tomkets the future number of Adirs in Israel, i.e. 50 units. And I'm talking about the 5 available.
                1. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 18: 41 New
                  0
                  I had 70 written, they might try to stick in there with 50
            2. socks
              socks 12 May 2017 18: 08 New
              +1
              And how much can you send along with 35? Among the last previous purchases are 102 16I and 25 15I, and how many are the same C?
        3. Shahno
          Shahno 12 May 2017 14: 59 New
          +8
          Yes, amazing. Such an emotional subtext. As if Israel offended him with something.
          1. SUPAHFLY
            SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 17: 42 New
            +1
            maybe it is?
            1. socks
              socks 12 May 2017 18: 09 New
              +4
              Such offended in every topic about Israel ....
              1. SUPAHFLY
                SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 18: 42 New
                0
                and which conclusion follows from this?
                1. socks
                  socks 12 May 2017 19: 50 New
                  +4
                  The need for water transportation will sharply decrease.
                  1. SUPAHFLY
                    SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 00: 28 New
                    0
                    around not guessed, and rather the opposite.
                    1. socks
                      socks 13 May 2017 00: 49 New
                      +2
                      Do you want to say that in conditions of intensification of production, transporting water to the offended is not productive even from financial savings?
                      1. SUPAHFLY
                        SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 00: 52 New
                        +2
                        no,
                        and it could end so soon.
              2. supertiger21
                supertiger21 12 May 2017 18: 45 New
                +8
                Quote: bas
                Such offended in every topic about Israel ....


                Yes, personally, I, too, am not enthusiastic about the actions of your country, but the author tells some stories about the F-35. I mixed the LTX of an airplane with politics ... fool In short, what is written in the article will be something like this: "F-35 is an expensive and useless r ........., because the Americans t ......... e and Israel are bad !! !! " fellow
              3. antivirus
                antivirus 14 May 2017 19: 56 New
                0
                Sooner or later, the Israeli leadership still decides to conduct a "small and victorious" air operation
                it will be easier
                the war is not Israel. and diplomatic pressure to a state of "trembling knees", then a COALITION strike (Izr + Str. Persian Gulf) On three sides, excluding the Caspian (080808 closed from Vaziani) Preposition - oil production quotas are violated.
                They will roll out the figure of lost profit and offer to exchange -or-or. third or - blow from three sides.
                The goal of Israel is the vigorous potential of Iran, the goal of the master is lordship in the world
        4. Bongo
          Bongo 13 May 2017 04: 44 New
          +7
          Quote: xetai9977
          The writer of the article, especially the technical one, should, as it were, leave his personal antipathies aside and concentrate on the technical aspects

          Exactly. yes
          Quote: xetai9977
          And with the author, hatred of Israel is literally gushing, devaluing a generally good review. "

          About the "good", how can I tell you not to offend a very touchy author? negative
          I will not go into the incomprehensible reasons for the conclusions made, but many of the "jambs" are simply on the surface, cited by
          The reactor was covered: the division of the anti-aircraft missile system C-125 "Pechora" (3 batteries) ...,
          Eugene, where did you find “batteries” in the C-125? fool If you are an ignoramus in air defense, before setting out such nonsense, you might at least get acquainted with this: Low-altitude C-125 It was written, then just for people like you. Yes, and the preparation of the material should be approached more carefully, take an interest in fresh sources how many actually air defense zones in Iran.
      2. Sasha Crimean
        Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 12: 36 New
        +2
        SUPAHFLY ↑
        Today, 06: 56
        F-35I is no longer used except against Iran.

        And why is everyone hooked that Israel will strike the first blow precisely with the help of the Air Force?
        1. Berkut24
          Berkut24 12 May 2017 13: 32 New
          +8
          Well, that is, the very desire of Israel to nightmare everyone around you about and without it, you no longer deny?
          1. Sasha Crimean
            Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 13: 35 New
            +6

            Berkut24 ↑
            Today, 13: 32
            Well, that is, the very desire of Israel to nightmare everyone around you about and without it, you no longer deny?

            In simple terms - this is called the "Containment Policy". As well as yours.
            1. Berkut24
              Berkut24 12 May 2017 13: 40 New
              +8
              This is not so with us. We do not wet anyone, only in the case of direct aggression against Russian citizens. Ukraine, for example, has long earned zvizdyuli. But so far not a single blow has been inflicted. And Georgia dealt a blow to our peacekeepers, for which it paid.
              1. Sasha Crimean
                Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 13: 59 New
                +6
                Berkut24 ↑
                Today, 13: 40
                This is not so with us. We do not wet anyone, only in case of direct aggression

                Oh oh How did the Syrian Christians in Homs and Zabadan threaten you, only because he did not agree with Assad’s policies?
                Why are you destroying the Khrestian enclaves, the last Orthodox shrines in Syria.
                They are not aggressive to you.
                1. yehat
                  yehat 12 May 2017 15: 16 New
                  +3
                  you try to play with words, blurring reality.
                  Russia, there is no point in striking non-aggressive groups.
                  Everyone knows this and uses this principle to become impudent.
                  1. Sasha Crimean
                    Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 15: 43 New
                    +5
                    yehat ↑
                    Today, 15: 16
                    you try to play with words, blurring reality.
                    Russia, there is no point in striking non-aggressive groups.
                    Everyone knows this and uses this principle to become impudent.

                    Unfortunately, I do not play with words. What is visible from here is not noticeable from you. And this is not about the media.
                    The media is often short-sighted.
                    It’s just that Assad, at his last gasp and in near-death convulsions, managed to drag you into the war with his own people, under the guise of fighting terrorism.
                    Vile, vile, and cruel to Russia (soul wide open)
                    1. yehat
                      yehat 12 May 2017 16: 15 New
                      +5
                      Do you call these people barlales?
                      most of them came from abroad altogether.
                      moreover, they often recruit completely brainless young immigrants from the former southern republics of the USSR, smart ones are not conducted - how many of these stories appear.
                      1. Sasha Crimean
                        Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 16: 21 New
                        +4
                        yehat ↑
                        Today, 16: 15
                        Do you call these people barlales?

                        In particular, yes. It is this people called Arab - and it does not matter where they live.
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 12 May 2017 19: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Sasha Crimean
                  Why are you destroying the Khrestian enclaves, the last Orthodox shrines in Syria.

                  Give examples.
                3. Berkut24
                  Berkut24 12 May 2017 19: 16 New
                  +2
                  Where did this fake come from?
                  1. Sasha Crimean
                    Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 20: 13 New
                    +4
                    Berkut24 ↑
                    Today, 19: 16
                    Where did this fake come from?

                    What is the fake? That Assad is systematically destroying Christianity in Syria. Or the fact that since 1970 the population of Christians has halved, and maybe a year ago, the SSA, with the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces, wasn’t destroyed, for the most part the Christian city of Zabadani, whose population did not agree with the party’s policies.
                    What other facts? Google and turn off the TV.
                    1. Berkut24
                      Berkut24 12 May 2017 21: 30 New
                      +1
                      SSA with the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces

                      Did you understand what you wrote?
                      since 1970, the population of Christians has halved

                      Did Israel conduct a census of a single Christian population?
                      1. Sasha Crimean
                        Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 21: 37 New
                        +1
                        Berkut24 ↑
                        Today, 21: 30
                        SSA with the support of the Russian Aerospace Forces
                        Did you understand what you wrote?

                        Thanks - I didn’t notice, I had in mind Assad’s army.
                        But ostolnoe not a mistake.
                4. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 20: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sasha Crimean
                  Why are you destroying the Khrestian enclaves, the last Orthodox shrines in Syria.

                  The usual cast, then it turns out that everything was destroyed before the arrival of the Russians. Sasha in vain did you start it, where are the facts?
                  1. Sasha Crimean
                    Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 21: 01 New
                    +1
                    saturn.mmm New ↑
                    Today, 20: 31
                    The usual cast, then it turns out that everything was destroyed before the arrival of the Russians. Sasha in vain did you start it, where are the facts?

                    It is completely possible that everything has been done before you, I won’t argue, but the fact of helping Satan does not resolve the issue.
                    Here is another opinion.


                    There are still opinions of Christians fleeing the bombing.
                    Type in google.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 12 May 2017 21: 36 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Sasha Crimean
                      There are still opinions of Christians fleeing the bombing.

                      Bombing or terrorists?
                      1. Sasha Crimean
                        Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 21: 53 New
                        +2
                        Dart2027 ↑
                        Today, 21: 36
                        Quote: Sasha Crimean
                        There are still opinions of Christians fleeing the bombing.
                        Bombing or terrorists?
                        Christians in the suburbs of Damascus, asadists themselves consider terrorists.
              2. Shahno
                Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 11 New
                +3
                Aggression. Our air defense systems that we pay for. That is why there were no problems. And how much can you be kidding me.
          2. Sergey Kranov
            Sergey Kranov 12 May 2017 14: 54 New
            +4
            Berkutu24: Israel has been fighting for many years for survival and f-35 for them may be the only chance of self-preservation.
          3. Shahno
            Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 05 New
            +3
            And here is the desire. Just the older brother is back. And someone thought that he was already dead.
        2. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 14: 17 New
          0
          who said that Iran has no missiles? satellite also launched
        3. shans2
          shans2 12 May 2017 14: 55 New
          +2
          Nobody is cycling at all, only Iran’s ballistic missiles are hundreds of times larger - they will drive you into the Stone Age, destroy all power plants and ports, you will sit with camels and donkeys in the bare desert
          1. socks
            socks 12 May 2017 18: 04 New
            +1
            And how many of them will reach the goal?
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 03: 10 New
              0
              ask the Iranians ...
              1. socks
                socks 13 May 2017 16: 38 New
                0
                Maybe the Arrows have the Apperators?
                1. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 15 New
                  0
                  no better with the Iranians and tell them, lol
                  1. socks
                    socks 13 May 2017 21: 12 New
                    0
                    Even it seems to me that I will be superfluous in the dialogue. I'm closer to the UAV in profile.
        4. Shahno
          Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 19 New
          +2
          Most likely with the help of the Navy.
      3. Shahno
        Shahno 12 May 2017 14: 54 New
        +1
        So we use it against Iran. There is no network yet.
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 17: 47 New
          0
          Think no one knows? which network - mobile operators? Lol
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 13 May 2017 13: 42 New
            +3
            Yes, sometimes it doesn’t interfere with a joke. And then it all hurts seriously. Sometimes you need to relax.
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 14: 46 New
              +1
              nowhere more serious
      4. socks
        socks 12 May 2017 17: 58 New
        0
        Почему нет?
      5. socks
        socks 12 May 2017 18: 02 New
        0
        Почему нет?
    2. supertiger21
      supertiger21 12 May 2017 09: 17 New
      +9
      Despite all the known tactical and technical flaws of these vehicles (among them there is a low angular turning speed, a small combat radius of 800-1100 km, a maximum speed of 1,65M and a supersonic cruising speed of only 1300 km / h), “Lightning- II ”continue to confidently occupy the most important tactical sectors in the air forces of countries friendly to the American regime.


      Yes Yes... laughing Such a "small" radius of action, which is several hundred km longer than the predecessors of the F-16 and F-18, as well as the most likely enemy of the MiG-29 ...
      And the cruising supersonic at 1300 km / h is also so terribly bad that most 4th-generation fighters are not capable of it.
      And the American lobby also does not give rest !!! So much so that the French decided to buy only their own Rafale, Hungarians and Czechs Gripen, and the Saudis Eurofighter. Well, they don’t give a choice to their colonies at all !!! lol Thrusting all this expensive and worthless Penguin !!! fellow
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 12 May 2017 12: 53 New
        +6
        Thrusting all this expensive and worthless Penguin !!!


        This is Damantsev ... He always has facts that fit in with his vision of the world or order, FIG know. I learn the author's style after reading a couple of lines. The round section of the nozzle it turns out to be a minus, and is it the same for the 99% of aircraft? F-22 is almost the only exception ...
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 12 May 2017 13: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Choi
          The round section of the nozzle turns out to be a minus, but does it mean that 99% of the planes have the same? F-22 is almost the only exception ...


          Also confused by these words of the author. In my opinion, in addition to the F-22, only F-117 and B-2 had flat nozzles, but neither of them are fighters. And not only the F-35 has round, but also all the latest modifications of the MiG-29 and Su-27 family aircraft. And even on the T-50 round, although there were rumors that in the future they will replace them with flat ones.
      2. SUPAHFLY
        SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 14: 22 New
        0
        when did the French take the last time something American and in what quantities? Eurofighter has more chances against Iranian Tomkets
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 12 May 2017 16: 11 New
          0
          Quote: SUPAHFLY
          when did the French take the last time something American and in what quantities?


          OK, but Germany?

          Quote: SUPAHFLY
          Eurofighter has more chances against Iranian Tomkets


          And what are they more? Typhoons have no radar with active phased array and stealth, like the lightings.
          1. SUPAHFLY
            SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 17: 51 New
            0
            and they could only reduce the number of their pilots at the previous brainchild of Lockheed ...
            flies better and faster
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 12 May 2017 18: 54 New
              +2
              Quote: SUPAHFLY
              and they could only reduce the number of their pilots at the previous brainchild of Lockheed ...


              Nevertheless, the Federal Republic of Germany, which has always bought American planes like Starfighter and Phantom, now does not even think about buying Lightings. Maybe it's time to dispel the myth of the lobby of the American military-industrial complex in Europe?

              Quote: SUPAHFLY
              flies better and faster


              LTX is not the trump card in the victory over the Tomkats ...
              1. SUPAHFLY
                SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 19: 11 New
                0
                not the military-industrial complex, but direct instructions of the government, snowden with wikileaks to help ...
                for those who do not know LTX and other trump card trump cards
                1. supertiger21
                  supertiger21 12 May 2017 19: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: SUPAHFLY
                  for those who do not know LTX and other trump card trump cards


                  How can they not know in the West what they themselves have created ?!

                  Quote: SUPAHFLY
                  not the military-industrial complex, but direct instructions of the government, snowden with wikileaks to help ...


                  Ahaha ... laughing Since you decided to troll, I think it no longer makes sense to further discuss with you. hi
                  1. SUPAHFLY
                    SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 00: 30 New
                    0
                    they know if they haven’t heard of this then of course.
      3. yehat
        yehat 12 May 2017 15: 18 New
        +2
        no one denies that penguin 2 is dangerous
        but to say that he surpasses everything that he meets is somehow too much.
      4. socks
        socks 12 May 2017 18: 02 New
        0
        I also drew attention to a clear distortion of the analysis in the article in terms of performance characteristics of the 35th.
      5. Shahno
        Shahno 13 May 2017 13: 53 New
        +2
        I do not want to give an analysis of this incomprehensible article. And I will not give specific figures for the 35 model. For dismissal is not included in my plans. But the small combat radius is 1000 km. It is something. And overbearing without afterburner is now above 1.2 m?
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 May 2017 09: 20 New
      +6
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      I have vague suspicions that our air defense systems did not end up with the people who could use it, so that later our officers and analysts would not come up with reasons to explain why they and the objects they covered were destroyed.

      Are you sure that the Iranians are sitting behind these complexes? In addition, if ours sold Favorites to Iran, knowing about the appearance of the F-35 among the Israelis, it is logical to assume that this issue was also taken into account by both Iranians and us. Otherwise, there was no point in purchasing these complexes.
    4. stoker
      stoker 12 May 2017 10: 59 New
      +15
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      ... I have vague suspicions that our air defense systems didn’t reach the people who could use it ...


      Your "vague suspicions" are connected with vague ideas about modern Iran.
      There, in the age group up to 24 years old, almost 100% literacy. And women too.
      There, for higher education, applicants pass entrance exams, and not the exam results, and exams in physics, mathematics, biologists, chemistry are mandatory regardless of the future specialization of the applicant.
      There you go! Result? For example, they have 41 gold medals at international mathematical olympiads! For reference, India has 11, and Israel has 13!
      Feel the difference?
      So these people are what kind of people are needed. And their hands grow from their shoulders, and on their shoulders there is a head, not an ass.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 12 May 2017 11: 37 New
        +8
        as if Israel didn’t bang on this clever Arab head once again, as it had already done more than once in its history, fighting with superior forces of Arabs armed with modern weapons !!!!
        When diplomas and achievements in mathematics and other exact sciences start to fight, then they do not play a role !!!!
        1. stoker
          stoker 12 May 2017 12: 02 New
          +11
          Kostya, you need to think more about your head and its regular filling. At least from Wikipedia. And then you just disgrace Russia. Before the Iranians.
          The fact is that Israel will not be able to taunt Iran with a "clever Arab head." For many reasons. But there are two main ones.
          Firstly, Arabs do not live in Iran (less than 3 percent).
          Secondly, today's Israel is not at all capable of "banging anyone on the head."
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 12 May 2017 12: 17 New
            +5
            thanks for the amendment. I admit a mistake! well, they will not insist on Arabs but on Muslims. Who cares.
            How do I disgrace Russia? by saying that Israel, with a population smaller than Moscow, has bent all its neighbors! And the neighbors were armed with the most modern weapons.
            And about replenishing the contents of the head: you need it because before boasting about achievements in mathematics you need to see the number of people in these countries !!! (Sasha Krymsky, answered you)
            Well, if Israel cannot bother anyone on the head, then why does it regularly bomb and fire at Syria? And those who want to check how Israel is not capable, among the neighbors who are not very willing !!!
            1. stoker
              stoker 12 May 2017 12: 48 New
              +5
              Quote: Kostya Andrei
              ... thanks for the amendment. I admit a mistake! well, they will not insist on Arabs but on Muslims. Who cares...


              For you, of course, no ...
              1. Talgat
                Talgat 13 May 2017 20: 07 New
                +1
                I support you dear stoker!
            2. supertiger21
              supertiger21 13 May 2017 00: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Kostya Andrei
              well, they will not insist on Arabs but on Muslims. Who cares.


              Lol ...))) Well, there is absolutely no difference between the 300 millionth nation and the 2 billionth religion. You do not confuse us with the Israelis. hi It is only with them that absolutely every Jew is a Jew.
              1. socks
                socks 13 May 2017 00: 53 New
                0
                supertiger21
                You just came up with a difference between Jewish tradition and the Jewish people, calling this difference Judaism and Judaism, moreover, over 2K years of dispersion, they have imposed this terminology on us. It’s time to finish it with scattering.
                1. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 11: 36 New
                  0
                  tell it more often to ivanke trump

                  is female circumcision? did not answer where they wrote about their ...
                  1. socks
                    socks 13 May 2017 12: 32 New
                    +1
                    Ivanka Kushnir already knows about this because in the first generation, according to the Torah, she is a righteous hera, and in the second, her children are Jews in halachah. And she also knows that the mother brings the Torah to the Jew, and the Tradition is the father, as said, according to the tradition that I received from my father. And everything else is a process. Abraham, too, was not born a Jew, as it is said about him - you were an Aramaean idolater.
                    1. SUPAHFLY
                      SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 13: 35 New
                      0
                      so tell it, lol and then the eyes are not always so ...
                      1. socks
                        socks 13 May 2017 21: 20 New
                        0
                        And you are arrogant. OK. Again vomiting, or is it your laugh again? Really think you will manage the conversation with me? No, do you think? OK. I have adhered to certain rules. Right now they have changed.
                  2. socks
                    socks 13 May 2017 21: 13 New
                    0
                    There is no female, moreover, it is prohibited.
            3. Starik72
              Starik72 14 May 2017 14: 30 New
              +1
              Kostya Andreyev. If neighbors had the same weapons as Israel, and the ability to use them in a combat situation, Israel would not have existed for a long time, especially since the United States is behind. In short, Israel did well against the sheep, and against the youth, the sheep themselves. This was proved in Egypt when our weapons and specialists took part there.
          2. socks
            socks 12 May 2017 18: 15 New
            0
            Can you name those who want to check?
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              1. socks
                socks 13 May 2017 03: 13 New
                0
                Maybe it's your way? Then we'll laugh. What will be fun.
                1. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 03: 42 New
                  0
                  that is, they refused themselves?
                  1. socks
                    socks 13 May 2017 12: 39 New
                    0
                    I thought that yours might turn out to be more interesting.
                    1. SUPAHFLY
                      SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 13: 35 New
                      0
                      You were offered on your own, you refused, then wrong ...
                      1. socks
                        socks 13 May 2017 16: 39 New
                        0
                        It is in your system of values, and for me they are not values ​​even once.
                      2. SUPAHFLY
                        SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 18 New
                        0
                        it is clear and everyone knows for a long time, your logic also has its own lol
          3. Shahno
            Shahno 13 May 2017 19: 57 New
            +1
            Not capable. For why knock when you can enter without knocking.
        2. shans2
          shans2 12 May 2017 15: 05 New
          0
          The Persians and Arabs are “somewhat” different - Arabs are newcomers, and the Persians are many thousands of years old ... and Iran has not attacked anyone for 150 years, defended itself only from Iraq in the 80s ...
        3. Shahno
          Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 29 New
          +1
          Yeah. It’s better not to fight with Israel. At least for now.
      2. Sasha Crimean
        Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 11: 43 New
        +4
        There you go! Result? For example, they have 41 gold medals at international mathematical olympiads! For reference, India has 11, and Israel has 13!

        The population of Iran is 82 million - the population of Israel is 8 million. person.
        Feel the difference?
        1. stoker
          stoker 12 May 2017 12: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Sasha Crimean
          There you go! Result? For example, they have 41 gold medals at international mathematical olympiads! For reference, India has 11, and Israel has 13!

          The population of Iran is 82 million - the population of Israel is 8 million. person.
          Feel the difference?


          No. I didn’t feel it. Because the number of participants in a team does not depend on the size of the country. In addition, Israel has been participating in them since 1979, and Iran since 1985.
          Second attempt?
          1. Sasha Crimean
            Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 12: 47 New
            +4
            Because the number of participants in a team does not depend on the size of the country

            In football too. However, oops collision is not it?
            Try to approach the rebus from the other side.
            1. stoker
              stoker 12 May 2017 12: 55 New
              +4
              Quote: Sasha Crimean
              Because the number of participants in a team does not depend on the size of the country

              In football too. However, oops collision is not it?
              Try to approach the rebus from the other side.


              Not a word in the subject. Not an offset. Come in the fall.
              1. Sasha Crimean
                Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 13: 02 New
                +5
                Not a word in the subject. Not an offset. Come in the fall

                And by the fall will you already take a course in statistics?
                1. socks
                  socks 12 May 2017 19: 57 New
                  +3
                  Do not demand so much. You will be accused of a sinist conspiracy with an attempt to harass people by overheating the brain due to exceeding the limit on mental activity.
                  1. Sasha Crimean
                    Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 22: 01 New
                    +3
                    I hope today it will cost erasing comments.
      3. Shahno
        Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 39 New
        +1
        So what is it that the highly intelligent Iranians have set as their goal the destruction of Israel? To be afraid?
      4. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 13 May 2017 08: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: stoker
        There you go! Result? For example, they have 41 gold medals at international mathematical olympiads! For reference, India has 11, and Israel has 13!
        Feel the difference?


        do you want a statistician? I have them!

        The Jewish population of Israel is approximately 6.5 m. Nobel Prizes - 12
        (all Jews received 112 (!) awards.)

        The Muslim population of Iran is approximately 78 m. Nobel Prizes - 1 (!) (Peace Prize!)
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 May 2017 08: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Maki Avellevich
          Nobel Prizes - 12
          (all Jews received 112 (!) awards.)

          The smartest, huh?
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 13 May 2017 08: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            The smartest, huh?


            is this all your "comment"?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 May 2017 08: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Maki Avellevich
              then your whole "comment"?

              And why did you get yours? What around you Jews are fools alone? We have them. Do not want to shelter?
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 May 2017 07: 39 New
    +8
    Not a day without news about Israel good .
    1. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 13: 27 New
      +5
      ISRAEL - RULIT !!! smile
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 46 New
        +1
        Then again they say that we are to blame.
        1. socks
          socks 12 May 2017 18: 17 New
          0
          That yes. To blame. Well, we allow devotratno moo about this at every corner for the sake of our financial families, which businesses can lose most of Europe and Turkey.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 21: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Shahno
          Then again they say that we are to blame.

          You can take a break while the Russians are to blame.
          1. Sasha Crimean
            Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 22: 08 New
            +3
            saturn.mmm ↑
            Today, 21: 12
            Quote: Shahno
            Then again they say that we are to blame.
            You can take a break while the Russians are to blame.

            Maybe we are relatives?
            Tell me, do you have navels too, like ours? drinks
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 22: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: Sasha Crimean
              Maybe we are relatives?
              Tell me, do you have navels too, like ours?

              At first there was Adam ...., naturally we are all relatives.
              1. socks
                socks 13 May 2017 16: 43 New
                0
                That, unfortunately, is not all of you Adam, there are also those from Aliens. Not every bald-headed ape-shaped man who reared up and threw off his tail, having mastered verbal reflection, has the right to be called a man.
      2. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 12 May 2017 22: 42 New
        +1
        Not a day without news about Israel, ISRAEL - RULIT
        - to read disgusting. Native Israelis would write this, I would understand, but you grew up in the USSR, escaped from the country that raised you and educated you, and now sit there and make patriots out of yourself, and ordinary defectors themselves.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 13 May 2017 14: 12 New
          +1
          What roots did you just say. Personally mine are fine. I can even send you a confirmation somewhere before the 1830 year. And the fact that I write in Russian is simply respect for the country where my parents were born. I also communicate in American and Jewish, and in Arabic sites.
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 44 New
      +2
      Yes Aron finally we became a great power.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 44 New
        +1
        And we need it?
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 21: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Not a day without news about Israel

      You always remind yourself of yourself, although I consider this a positive element of this site.
  3. Altona
    Altona 12 May 2017 08: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Not a day without news about Israel

    ---------------------------
    F-35 is already a calling card, a kind of teaser for sofa collisions. laughing
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 12 May 2017 16: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      F-35 is already a calling card, a kind of teaser for sofa collisions.

      I agree. The fact is that neither tactics nor methods of overcoming air defense for the F-35 have been worked out by current. In the United States, I’m only trying ... And how air defense with the use of this aircraft will be overcome so far only conjecture strategists can build guesses ... Well, we’ll see the rest, but I think he can create problems ...
  4. erudit 017
    erudit 017 12 May 2017 08: 52 New
    +6
    everything will show combat use, but for now speculation and rumor!


    But when it was like that, above Tel Aviv!

    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 May 2017 09: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: erudit 017
      But when it was like that, above Tel Aviv!

      Until Belenko surrendered the country and stole the Fox to Turkey.
      1. erudit 017
        erudit 017 12 May 2017 09: 26 New
        +7
        Not really so buddy, this scoundrel belenko flew to Japan, and MiG 29 hijacked to Turkey in my opinion zuev in 1989 year.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 May 2017 09: 30 New
          +7
          Quote: erudit 017
          Not really so buddy, this scoundrel belenko flew to Japan, and MiG 29 hijacked to Turkey in my opinion zuev in 1989 year.

          That's right ... confused ... but that doesn’t change the essence. After getting acquainted with Lys, the mattresses took a lot for their F-15 then ... well, we urgently began to remake our friend or foe system and fight the 31st.
          By the way, the 29th seemed to be immediately returned, without having to rummage through it, but the 25th was dismantled by a cog.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 12 May 2017 09: 49 New
            +7
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: erudit 017
            Not really so buddy, this scoundrel belenko flew to Japan, and MiG 29 hijacked to Turkey in my opinion zuev in 1989 year.

            That's right ... confused ... but that doesn’t change the essence. After getting acquainted with Lys, the mattresses took a lot for their F-15 then ... well, we urgently began to remake our friend or foe system and fight the 31st.
            By the way, the 29th seemed to be immediately returned, without having to rummage through it, but the 25th was dismantled by a cog.

            they could not take anything in the year 75 for the F-15. He was already in the series.
          2. supertiger21
            supertiger21 12 May 2017 11: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            The mattresses, after getting acquainted with Lys, took a lot for their F-15 then ...


            I do not deny that they really got acquainted and took from the 25th what they need, but at the expense of the F-15 you are confusing something. Eagle was mass-produced since 1974, and Belenko hijacked the MiG in 1978, it does not coincide with the chronology ... request
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 12 May 2017 11: 49 New
              +6
              Quote: supertiger21
              You are confusing something. Eagle was mass-produced since 1974, and Belenko hijacked the MiG in 1978, it does not coincide with the chronology ...

              And you do not consider modernization, no?
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 12 May 2017 13: 19 New
                +4
                Quote: NEXUS
                And you do not consider modernization, no?


                Well, in 1979, the F-15C modification came out with a more durable and overload-resistant wing. Perhaps borrowed some materials and alloys of the MiG-25 glider. But not a fact.
    2. 73petia
      73petia 12 May 2017 10: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: erudit 017
      But when it was like that, above Tel Aviv!


      This is a MiG-25P, Soviet. The Soviet MiG-25P did not fly over Tel Aviv. In 1973-1975 only the MiG-25R, or RB, could fly.
    3. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 12: 04 New
      +3
      erudit 017
      Today, 08: 52
      everything will show combat use, but for now speculation and rumor!
      But when it was like that, above Tel Aviv!


      Played and enough.
    4. Shahno
      Shahno 12 May 2017 15: 48 New
      +1
      I don’t know, we are working tirelessly. I don’t know what happened.
    5. socks
      socks 12 May 2017 18: 22 New
      +3
      Once upon a time


      But never will be.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 21: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: bas
        But never will be.

        History knows a certain number of ups and downs of the Jewish kingdoms.
        Never say never.
        I am for the peace and prosperity of Israel, just a person suggests and God disposes.
        1. socks
          socks 13 May 2017 03: 17 New
          0
          Today we are not talking about the kingdom and not about the victory of a single country of a small nation. We are talking about the pastoral defeat of anti-simites and anti-Semites all over the world. Not reducing their number, but about defeat. This is precisely the B-th craft.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 13 May 2017 08: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: bas
            Today

            This is a keyword. Jews have one property of being visible, not always this plays a positive role.
            Quote: bas
            Not reducing their number, but about defeat.

            And if tomorrow they decide to revenge?
            Quote: bas
            This is precisely the B-th craft.

            Who knows what He is up to.
            1. socks
              socks 13 May 2017 13: 10 New
              0
              Yes, not always, today it is important that everyone notices.

              They will always wait for such an opportunity, but now the beginning of the 2nd and then the 9th of May is provided for them.

              People did not believe in the “gather you from all corners of the earth” prophecy, but it came true. Yes, you are right, it is said, “you will not see my face” and no one knows for sure, but it is said, “I will not enter at the top until I enter at the bottom”. We must take our steps otherwise why do we need freedom of choice?
              1. SUPAHFLY
                SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 13: 31 New
                +1
                why not March 8 and November 7?
                at what age did they leave? do not forget to get a Russian pension ...
                1. socks
                  socks 13 May 2017 16: 50 New
                  0
                  Because March 8th is a holiday of human dignity, and on November 7th the anti-sims are to blame not only for their own, but also for our people, I have already explained why, And what happened on the 2nd and 9th, you yourself renew in the memory of the network. My relative also stormed Berlin, he has the right to mention to me and he earned the 2nd and 9th more than from the 41st to the 45th.

                  He left in the age of 24 years and my mother worked for 41 years on a scoop, the Ukrainian pension can only dream of.
                  What did not ride? And in this you are anti-sims all as a face and as a selection, vicious, low, unscrupulous hypocrites.
                  1. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm 14 May 2017 22: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: bas
                    He left in the age of 24 years and my mother worked for 41 years on a scoop, the Ukrainian pension can only dream of.

                    You had the choice to leave, you left, file a lawsuit against the pension account.
                    Quote: bas
                    And in this you are anti-sims

                    Semites is such a broad concept, why do you close it only on yourself?
                    Quote: bas
                    vicious, low, unscrupulous hypocrites.

                    All Natsik are bad.
                2. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 21 New
                  +1
                  "scoop" and a retiring Great Ukrainian pension sounds entertaining ... LOL
                  from a scoop usually throw somewhere ...
              2. Shahno
                Shahno 13 May 2017 14: 20 New
                +2
                You know. We do. Those who heard.
              3. Grigory_78
                Grigory_78 13 May 2017 20: 29 New
                0
                Quote: bas

                People did not believe in the “gather you from all corners of the earth” prophecy, but it came true.

                How many Jews in the USA, and how many in Israel? As far as I know, in the United States a little more ...
                1. socks
                  socks 14 May 2017 20: 27 New
                  0
                  Outdated information. There are more in Israel. And the collection continues. French, Latin American ....
              4. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 14 May 2017 21: 39 New
                0
                Quote: bas
                Yes, you are right, it is said, “you will not see my face” and no one knows for sure, but it is said, “I will not enter at the top until I enter at the bottom”.

                Itzism is a form of religious liberalism, an expression that classifies the faith of people who, on the one hand, believe that there is something or someone “Higher, between Heaven and Earth,” but, on the other hand, they do not accept and do not support an established system of beliefs, doctrines, dogmas and existing ...

                I'm Itsist
                .
                Quote: bas
                We must take our steps otherwise why do we need freedom of choice?

                Without freedom of choice, we are slaves.
      2. SUPAHFLY
        SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 02: 20 New
        0
        still not like that, but the photo is not real, for some reason ...
        1. socks
          socks 13 May 2017 03: 19 New
          0
          That I ordered it from the same Arabs that photos of the bombing of Gaza are being processed.
          1. SUPAHFLY
            SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 03: 45 New
            +1
            and why?
            Lebanese they processed?
            1. socks
              socks 13 May 2017 13: 15 New
              0
              Can you imagine how many such photos we prevented using the wrong weapons that were used in, say, Grozny?
              1. SUPAHFLY
                SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 13: 37 New
                +1
                in Lebanon so far were ground battles?
                what are you up to terrible? there only peaceful Russians remained ...
                1. socks
                  socks 13 May 2017 16: 52 New
                  0
                  That was enough there were ground battles.

                  Who stayed in Grozny now is the second question, and you left the essence of my answer once again at your discretion. How do you grease yourself with grease before you sit down at Claudia? Hopefully not swine?
                  1. SUPAHFLY
                    SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 23 New
                    0
                    more than enough but not far
                    Why so immediately "second"? judging by this you have little hope ...
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  6. Altona
    Altona 12 May 2017 09: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: erudit 017
    But when it was like that, above Tel Aviv!

    ----------------------
    I have a model of the MiG-25 interceptor at home on a shelf.
  7. Meliodous
    Meliodous 12 May 2017 09: 27 New
    0
    In how. The Jews had not yet had time to bring their planes and fly around, and predictions about how to bomb the Iranian nuclear reactor had already appeared. A bit early)
    This is what interests me more. If I believe in the ability of the s-300 (although he hasn’t knocked anyone yet, but you can put him + in advance, after all, he is followed by the Soviet design school, etc., etc.), then at least they’re capable of Iranian complexes of this class?
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 12 May 2017 16: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Meliodous
      In how. The Jews had not yet had time to bring their planes and fly around, and predictions about how to bomb the Iranian nuclear reactor had already appeared. A bit early)

      Here I am about the same! I repeat above wrote:
      The fact is that neither tactics nor methods of overcoming air defense for the F-35 have been worked out by current. In the United States, I’m only trying ... And how air defense with the use of this aircraft will be overcome so far only conjecture strategists can build guesses ... Well, we’ll see the rest, but I think he can create problems ...
    2. socks
      socks 12 May 2017 18: 46 New
      +2
      I agree with this.
      Quote: Meliodous
      In how. The Jews had not yet had time to bring their planes and fly around, and predictions about how to bomb the Iranian nuclear reactor had already appeared. A bit early)

      I agree with this.
  8. squid
    squid 12 May 2017 09: 58 New
    +7
    In short, everything is clear. The more this Damantsev of yours listed abbreviations and designations, the clearer it became - there is no chance. At Iran. And no "120-150 km at medium and high altitude" and even "low-orbit sections of 140 km" in any mode there will not help. The brainy Israeli staffers are planning an operation, they will fly filigree at low altitude with enveloping relief - and voila. At first, there will not be different “favorites” and “triumphs” there, and after them - and any objects in Iran. As it actually was from the 60s. In 82nd, in Lebanon, the Jews defeated everyone dry, despite the fact that the air defense was nowhere better (for the Soviet bloc) and Soviet specialists were sitting in it.
    1. SeregaBoss
      SeregaBoss 12 May 2017 15: 03 New
      0
      Our Damantsev is the same as yours, and it is clear to us that if they do not fly over the relief, then they will crawl along the relief on the belly lol
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 May 2017 19: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: squid
      despite the fact that the air defense was better nowhere

      Yes, not really. EW protection was practically zero.
  9. art030765
    art030765 12 May 2017 11: 31 New
    +6
    a strange article is needed in the opinion section and not the analyst. amers and Israel have a well-developed system for overcoming air defense and its destruction in Iraq. the task of f-35 is to find enemy air defense systems to give target designation and and destroy all radars. What losses are we talking about what kind of confrontation between the air defense of Iran and Israel? nonsense, yril will sweep away all Iranian air defense in a day and destroy all planes the only question is whether they will be able to intercept 100% of Iran’s missiles.
    1. socks
      socks 12 May 2017 18: 26 New
      0
      100% no system is effective. The question is how many will have to shoot at the same time.
  10. K-50
    K-50 12 May 2017 11: 32 New
    +2
    In total, under the terms of three contracts with a total value of 8,5 billion dollars, by 2021 the Nevatim air base will be equipped with an air wing of 50 F-35A.

    Not so sick, 170 lyam greens apiece! belay
    Something I suspect someone is tough on someone .. cheated! recourse laughing
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 12 May 2017 12: 56 New
      +2
      The price includes training and ground equipment - this is certainly not the net price for the aircraft.
    2. socks
      socks 12 May 2017 18: 48 New
      +2
      For Israel, it has long been a known fact that the purchase of military assistance from money implies a rollback. You are an adult, you know how to do it.
  11. Operator
    Operator 12 May 2017 12: 11 New
    +2
    Not everything is so simple - when flying into Iranian nuclear facilities, Israeli airplanes flying in the first echelon will most likely use air-to-surface anti-radar missiles, the effectiveness of which (unlike electronic warfare) does not depend on the type of radar antennas. And since all Iranian radars listed in the article are stationary with known coordinates, they will be guaranteed to be destroyed.

    Another thing is that after the Israeli air attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, an Iranian missile attack on the Israeli nuclear facility will follow - the Dimona reactor producing weapons-grade plutonium. The missile attack will also be echeloned using in the first echelon the warheads of missiles with explosive magnetic EMP generators to disable Israeli anti-missile defense radars (even before entering the missile defense zone).

    The second echelon of Iranian missiles with penetrating conventional warheads will explode directly in the Israeli nuclear reactor. After that, the Chernobyl disaster against the backdrop of Dimon will look like a childish prank.
    1. SUPAHFLY
      SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 14: 25 New
      0
      it is buried there more than 100m down
      1. Operator
        Operator 12 May 2017 14: 41 New
        +1
        Dimona erected a standard protective structure above a nuclear reactor located above ground level


        Internal view of the reactor hall with a workshop for loading / unloading nuclear fuel and its decay products


        Design of Brest French-made fast-neutron nuclear reactor to produce weapons-grade plutonium


        Penetrating warhead of the Iranian SCAD at a speed of 1,5 km / s at an angle of 45 degrees will easily penetrate the walls of the protective structure and the concrete shaft of the reactor.
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 17: 54 New
          0
          above the entrance to the mine leading him
          who supplied the drawing?
          1. Operator
            Operator 12 May 2017 19: 24 New
            +1
            Behind the protective dome of the Dimon reactor at 200 meters stretches the building of the nuclear fuel decay products processing plant, which is integral with the dome and has a low ceiling (see photo). According to your logic, there should be a trench with a depth of 100 meters, which is not in nature.

            The Brest fast neutron reactor scheme is taken from the Internet, apparently laughing
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 00: 32 New
              0
              Was it hard to build?
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 13 May 2017 08: 33 New
            0
            Quote: SUPAHFLY
            above the entrance to the mine leading him
            who supplied the drawing?


            he painted, he still knows how to portraits
        2. socks
          socks 12 May 2017 18: 54 New
          0
          No one except very individuals knows what is now exactly mounted in Dimona and how protected from penetrating impact. Even people with first tolerances in the army.
          1. Operator
            Operator 13 May 2017 00: 33 New
            +1
            The French installed the heavy hydrogen nuclear reactor in Dimon in 1957-64. Defector Mordechai Vanunu, a former technician from Dimona, published information and photographs of the nuclear center in 1986.

            After his release from an Israeli prison, Vanunu gave more than 100 interviews to foreign journalists and persons disguised as them. So the layout of the nuclear center in Dimone is not a secret.
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 02: 02 New
              0
              and why did he do it? and what exactly was said, lol
              1. Operator
                Operator 13 May 2017 11: 54 New
                +1
                And why did the French, who built the reactor in Dimona, gave "interviews" to the GRU staff of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces in the 1960's?

                Choose the correct answer: for grandmas, for an idea.

                LOL
                1. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 12: 02 New
                  0
                  this is not why, but for what, and who found whom?
            2. socks
              socks 13 May 2017 03: 21 New
              +2
              Everyone thinks so, but what is happening in Dimona continues to remain a top secret, closed even to many senior ranks in the army. If everything has already been declassified so many years ago, then this is at least stupid.
            3. Shahno
              Shahno 13 May 2017 14: 30 New
              +1
              You are greatly mistaken. But maybe it's for the best.
    2. socks
      socks 12 May 2017 18: 32 New
      +1
      I don’t dare to say exactly what percentage efficiency of the Strela-3 complex is, but the Negev radar detects objects the size of a grapefoot in space at a distance of up to 2K kilometers and can easily distinguish two such geidefruits from each other at minimum distances between them. The second tier of radars works with objects remote up to 1K km. What do you think this first echelon of missiles will reach missile defense?
      1. SUPAHFLY
        SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 18: 44 New
        0
        the first one will not have to reach him.
        1. socks
          socks 12 May 2017 20: 01 New
          0
          But how much do you need to fly? Will it be enough from 120km to the nearest battery?
          1. SUPAHFLY
            SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 00: 33 New
            0
            English movie still look ...
            1. socks
              socks 13 May 2017 16: 55 New
              0
              Do they fly there?
              1. SUPAHFLY
                SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 24 New
                0
                see for yourself ...
  12. naspret
    naspret 12 May 2017 12: 31 New
    +1
    Well, I’m never against it at all. I would say to all our potential partners, right and left, that Lightning Two is a great car. In general, we do not see her. That's just point blank. And all our planes will be knocked down. Oh, yes. Yes. The more they buy from the states of this shit, it will be easier for us.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 12 May 2017 16: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: naspret
      The more they buy from the states of this shit, it will be easier for us.


      I hope you are kidding ?! The F-35 is the most advanced and powerful of all Western fighters currently in production. Or have you also read tales about the "expensive and unfortunate Penguin"?
      1. naspret
        naspret 12 May 2017 16: 57 New
        +2
        It seems that I read not only me, but also English Sun and Israeli because reduced purchases of this shit several times. I will say more. American generals themselves admit that when meeting with Russian f35 fighters it is better to avoid combat in every possible way and fly strictly in the opposite direction. But you apparently have other data on this subject. I will listen with pleasure))
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 17: 57 New
          +1
          It’s he who checks you. Do you remember that there is still the F-22 that everyone wanted and which is not exported by the Americans.
          1. socks
            socks 12 May 2017 18: 56 New
            0
            It is no longer being produced by the Americans themselves, so far ... Well, naturally the purchases of the 35s were adjusted accordingly.
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 09: 36 New
              +1
              because tired of denying those who ask lol
            2. naspret
              naspret 13 May 2017 11: 42 New
              +1
              This song can be eternal F-117 Nighthawk, Northrop B-2 Spirit, Lockheed SR-71 All of them, if purchased, including the US Armed Forces, only once, and then the military prefers to let one in support in a combat-ready state for spare parts, which would at least somehow support the second in operational condition.
              1. SUPAHFLY
                SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 12: 06 New
                +1
                and some write off completely, lol
        2. socks
          socks 12 May 2017 18: 34 New
          0
          Regarding the procurement of Israel and other data. Purchases increased, not reduced.
        3. supertiger21
          supertiger21 12 May 2017 23: 56 New
          0
          Quote: naspret
          I will say more. American generals themselves admit that when meeting with Russian f35 fighters


          These were rumors made by the Australian Minister of Defense, who was trying to persuade amers to sell them the F-22 ... Politics, no more ...

          Quote: naspret
          it is better to avoid fighting in every possible way and fly strictly in the opposite direction.


          OK) laughing

          Quote: naspret
          But you apparently have other data on this subject. I will listen with pleasure))


          Yes others! Namely, ceteris paribus, at least 90% of 4th generation fighters, distances of 50-180 km, will become easy prey for the F-35.
          1. naspret
            naspret 14 May 2017 16: 58 New
            0
            lol Tests and calculations that were carried out in greenhouse conditions? Enough is enough. ))) Yes, the F35 has weapons that can bring down planes at longer distances, but at the same time they fly worse than their predecessors F-15. This is recognized by everyone (from the Australian military to English scientists). I agree, at long range f35, something may be against our aircraft, but no one has canceled the air defense, for which the myth of the "invisibility" of American aircraft remains a myth. In general, I do not want to argue with you. I repeat, I will only be glad that our "partners" will purchase these flying gadgets as much as possible. And there ... aliager com aliager, as Tupac said)
        4. Shahno
          Shahno 13 May 2017 14: 40 New
          +1
          Well, listen. I don’t go into details, but 35 will have a couple of extra minutes. What do you think is enough?
          1. SUPAHFLY
            SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 14: 55 New
            +1
            fly back? of course not.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 22: 08 New
        0
        Quote: supertiger21
        I hope you are kidding ?! The F-35 is the most advanced and powerful of all Western fighters currently in production. Or have you also read tales about the "expensive and unfortunate Penguin"?

        If he was a masterpiece, he would be sold to everyone.
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 12 May 2017 23: 38 New
          0
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          a masterpiece


          F-35 was made to replace the obsolete allied fighters.
          It is a massive simplified and cheap fighter for everyone.

          Its main and HUGE advantage is standardization and mass.
          If you make them 200 pieces, like F-22, then of course there will be ZERO from them.

          As soon as we see that assembly plants have already been opened in different countries, it turns out that the NATO block will soon be completely converted to novae.
        2. supertiger21
          supertiger21 13 May 2017 00: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          If he was a masterpiece, he would be sold to everyone.


          MiG-21 and F-16 were sold to everyone in a row, but became one of the most successful fighters of the 2nd half of the 20th century.
          1. SUPAHFLY
            SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 02: 07 New
            +1
            The most successful are the Su-27 and F-14, they are not very common.
      3. naspret
        naspret 15 May 2017 15: 49 New
        0
        Read) informatively http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/what-if
        -russias-su-35-went-war-americas-f-35-stealth-fig
        hter-20483? page = show
    2. matak4b
      matak4b 12 May 2017 20: 25 New
      +2
      The F-35 is such a sloppy car that the upcoming purchase of 100 F-35 by Turkey deprives the leadership of our country and this topic was raised during the negotiations between Netanyahu and Trump
      1. SUPAHFLY
        SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 15: 14 New
        0
        and Israel does not have them yet?
        1. socks
          socks 13 May 2017 16: 56 New
          0
          Do you already know? You are our ignorant.
          1. SUPAHFLY
            SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 26 New
            0
            and Turkey so far with this?
            1. socks
              socks 14 May 2017 20: 44 New
              0
              2018 start of procurement.
  13. borov
    borov 12 May 2017 12: 57 New
    0
    Betting! This thread will get> 500 comments!
    1. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 14: 30 New
      +1
      borov
      Today, 12: 57
      Betting! This thread will get> 500 comments!

      Do not argue - I noticed that after 450 comments on the topic of Israel, the forum is magically blocked.
      1. SUPAHFLY
        SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 17: 58 New
        0
        anti-sims tortured? Lol
        1. socks
          socks 12 May 2017 20: 03 New
          +2
          Probably the administration can’t stand the number of written nonsense, and for the sake of the prestige of the site it limits their number laughing tongue
          1. Sasha Crimean
            Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 21: 18 New
            +1
            It is logical. !!!
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 22: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: bas
            Probably the administration can’t stand the number of written nonsense, and for the sake of the prestige of the site it limits their number

            You are smart and can determine the amount of nonsense. You can’t take self-doubt.
            1. socks
              socks 13 May 2017 01: 36 New
              +1
              I am smart and I can identify stupidity, should I be shy about it? Why? Do you want to make me feel guilty for this? Why should my opinion of myself be worse than my abilities?
              1. SUPAHFLY
                SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 02: 07 New
                +1
                and modest ...
                1. socks
                  socks 13 May 2017 16: 58 New
                  0
                  Adequate and consistent.
                  1. SUPAHFLY
                    SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 27 New
                    0
                    go on ... lol
                    1. socks
                      socks 14 May 2017 20: 44 New
                      0
                      I continue. wink
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 13 May 2017 08: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: bas
                Why? You want me compel feel guilty about this?

                I am categorically against violence. It was a bit ironic, just.
                You indirectly, in determining (smart-stupid), take on the role of a judge.
                Quote: bas
                I can identify stupidity

                chaos - the highest degree of order
                1. socks
                  socks 13 May 2017 14: 39 New
                  0
                  Each person opening his mouth and expressing an opinion involves a measure of court. 250 contacts that are always around me judge me every day and every minute. Do not judge and do not be judged? If you count how many times I have already been judged and how many times it is unfair, you can rewrite the Babylonian Talmud. So excuse me - an eye for an eye.

                  One old teacher was asked that the Jews did not believe in magic at all? He answered, why don't they believe at all? The teacher asked, for example, wisdom is like a miracle of a philosopher's stone, it can create gold even from a mountain of garbage, but stupidity also has magical properties, because only it can turn how much gold into mountains of garbage. (Here, today I offered you life and good, death and evil, choose life)
                  1. SUPAHFLY
                    SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 15: 17 New
                    0
                    Lol why did you get so much? to spend someone else’s time with 250 times more efficiency than yours?
                    asked someone to offer? ... and if in response they offer? what if they don’t? Lol
                    1. socks
                      socks 13 May 2017 17: 04 New
                      0
                      Read the rubble, there the statistical data of the individual’s existence is given with explanations. And do not make a fool of yourself, you are not a fool, you are a provocateur, but not too capable.

                      What are you doing here with your time? Are you studying efficiency? So you do not know how. Do you think mine? So you, at the request to count the neighing neighing in the posts, also tried to throw arrows at me. What can you do?

                      Who to offer? What will be offered in response? You are riddles then why all the time say? Are you neighing again? Well, plus one for your neighing. Offset.
                      1. SUPAHFLY
                        SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 31 New
                        0
                        burst - it means horrible ... who would doubt it.
                2. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 30 New
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                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  I am categorically against violence

                  in general, it’s already for moving this pixel-psycho-modified violence somewhere into a virtual ghetto, otherwise some people go to a real soft room, they quickly get stuck on such “network work” ...
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  15. shans2
    shans2 12 May 2017 14: 43 New
    0
    Sadness, do not bomb) Someone will bomb in his pants, in one shallow, but with a conceit above the roof of the "country", the size of the peninsula of Crimea, ear)
    1. socks
      socks 12 May 2017 18: 42 New
      0
      Are you sure that this whole balloon about bombing is not just reasonably pumped hysteria, with certain goals?
    2. SUPAHFLY
      SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 18: 45 New
      0
      alas, teeth speaks ...
      1. socks
        socks 12 May 2017 20: 04 New
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        Who is Bibi? And by the way, he is a recognized master in this.
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 00: 37 New
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          is it some kind of barrack in entebbe that he took or before him?
          1. socks
            socks 13 May 2017 01: 39 New
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            People mixed up in a heap of horses and volleys of thousands of guns. Are you just breaking a comedy or are you really like that?
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 02: 09 New
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              you too .....
              1. socks
                socks 13 May 2017 03: 23 New
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                And what else does this have to mean?
                1. SUPAHFLY
                  SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 03: 49 New
                  0
                  for example, teeth are talking
                  1. socks
                    socks 13 May 2017 15: 03 New
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                    Can you bring evidence or just spam?
                    1. SUPAHFLY
                      SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 15: 20 New
                      0
                      why, you continue to give evidence here
  16. Holoy
    Holoy 12 May 2017 15: 20 New
    +1
    Actually, the Nuclear Center and not only it in Iran, Israel can destroy with Ballistic and Cruise missiles ... without the participation of the Air Force
    1. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 12 May 2017 16: 00 New
      +3

      Holoy
      Today, 15: 20
      Actually, the Nuclear Center and not only it in Iran, Israel can destroy with Ballistic and Cruise missiles ... without the participation of the Air Force

      Do not tell, let it be a surprise! love
    2. Operator
      Operator 12 May 2017 16: 04 New
      +3
      The best defense for Iran’s nuclear complex is a missile attack (retaliatory, of course) against the Israeli nuclear center in Dimona.
      1. socks
        socks 12 May 2017 18: 39 New
        +1
        The best thing for Iran is not to go too far and not to make Israel declassify the missile potential of the Palmahim combat launch range, because Israel really does not want to officially confirm all these Western articles about the ability of Jericho-3 to bear the divided warheads that judging by the leaked TTX, even a single C-500 battery cannot be considered a 100% guarantee from it. And it’s actually not even in service with Russia.
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 12 May 2017 18: 46 New
          +2
          you already once Golda tried to declassify something
          1. socks
            socks 12 May 2017 20: 06 New
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            Oh, this time, this time rush where he was, and do not declassify. Here Mordechai Vanun, unlike you direct man, that he wanted to break it and broke it.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 12 May 2017 22: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: bas
              Here Mordechai Vanun, unlike you direct man, that he wanted to break it and broke it.

              And he didn’t want to remember, he was an exclusively direct Jewish man.
              1. socks
                socks 13 May 2017 01: 40 New
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                I wrote not to remember but to break, read correctly.
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 13 May 2017 09: 01 New
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                  Quote: bas
                  I wrote not to remember but to break, read correctly.

                  Yes, wrong. Blind already.
                  1. SUPAHFLY
                    SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 11: 43 New
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                    but it worked out right, lmao
                    1. socks
                      socks 13 May 2017 15: 05 New
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                      It’s right for you, you don’t need to know the right thing. This may interfere.

                      When will there be an answer about flags or are you embarrassed about something?
                      1. SUPAHFLY
                        SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 15: 26 New
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                        what's with yours, why are you so shy, lol?
                        cosmetic now costs 20 thousand rubles. and what about records in others?
          2. Shahno
            Shahno 13 May 2017 15: 00 New
            +1
            Better not. Everything is a secret. And here I support Netanyahu.
  17. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 12 May 2017 19: 07 New
    0
    Read Alexander Afanasyev, the series "The Sword of Our Lord." Though fiction books, there are more analysts than in the article!
  18. Rabinovich_007
    Rabinovich_007 12 May 2017 19: 55 New
    +1
    And what is the price to the Americans, it is in dollars, and they themselves issue dollars.

    I hope the plane will show itself.
    1. SUPAHFLY
      SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 00: 43 New
      0
      Do planes also print on a 3D printer?
  19. mvg
    mvg 12 May 2017 20: 54 New
    +1
    Quiet and not quiet horror .... There are no words. (((
  20. Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 May 2017 22: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Sasha Crimean
    Quote: Sasha Crimean.

    Link to yourself? Are you one of these Christians?
    Quote: Sasha Crimean
    Christians in the suburbs of Damascus, asadists themselves consider terrorists.

    And who said that?
  21. socks
    socks 13 May 2017 03: 10 New
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    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    no,
    and it could end so soon.

    Don’t worry so much, I won’t drink so much.
    1. SUPAHFLY
      SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 11: 34 New
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      you need to worry.
      1. socks
        socks 13 May 2017 15: 06 New
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        For what reason?
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 15: 27 New
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          maybe then you will find lol
          1. socks
            socks 13 May 2017 17: 05 New
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            Spam again? And rumble neigh?
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 18: 09 New
              0
              I say a lot, lol
              1. socks
                socks 13 May 2017 21: 51 New
                0
                Quote: SUPAHFLY
                a lot of

                That spelling yes. Spam is your business. Go on, say pritsa a talker who is not quick-witted, but different in conversational tracing, with which I am well acquainted.
                So whose country is your flag? Yabad or the United States or just a combination of colors like?
  22. Operator
    Operator 13 May 2017 12: 11 New
    0
    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    who found whom?

    Hero's Reward laughing
    1. SUPAHFLY
      SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 13: 40 New
      0
      poor muzzle to a vanuna he served in prison in vain lol
      1. Operator
        Operator 13 May 2017 14: 01 New
        +1
        Of course, in vain.

        In the 1967 year, the USSR planned to bombard the reactor in Dimon with the help of the Tu-16 air regiment in order to support Egypt and Syria in the Six Day War with Israel (according to the interview of the former USSR Air Force Long-Range Commander Vyacheslav Reshetnikov from 10 on May 2014 to Rusia al-Yaum TV channel).

        The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the USSR was clearly in the know about the layout of the reactor protective structures three years after its commissioning.
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 14: 50 New
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          it wouldn’t give support, the regiment is also small, come up with something else
          1. Operator
            Operator 13 May 2017 16: 16 New
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            Support is only an excuse; an air regiment with conventional bombs is the calculation of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces. Consequently, now a pair of penetrating BG Iranian SCADS at a speed of 1,5 km / s will be just right.

            Think for yourself about the difference between a thermal (in the case of a ground location) and a nuclear (in case of an underground location) explosion of a nuclear reactor.

            The second target for Iran’s retaliatory missile strike is the USA’s light-water pool-type nuclear reactor IRR-1 with a thermal capacity of 10 MW, commissioned in 1960, located in Nahal-Serek, 20 km from Tel Aviv


            The picture shows the design of the reactor protective structure.
            1. SUPAHFLY
              SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 11 New
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              Is this definitely not a plateau in giza? Was it thermal and nuclear, or was it a test for who is the BOT here? Lol
              1. Operator
                Operator 13 May 2017 17: 15 New
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                Quote: SUPAHFLY
                BOT

                Thank you for your sincerity laughing
            2. socks
              socks 13 May 2017 17: 14 New
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              And they sit and wait all these years until an environmental disaster becomes a reality and all the cards are in the hands of the enemy and everything on the network is lying and all the secrets are known, and the seal of secrecy is not removed from international prestige. Gentlemen, why didn’t anything happen to these reactors, and something unexpected happens to the Iranian ones all the time. So who knows more about whom? However, you are right. The whole Dimona as a plow in the public domain.
              1. Operator
                Operator 13 May 2017 17: 29 New
                0
                The hypothetical situation with the Israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear complex and the Iranian retaliatory attack on the Israeli nuclear complex is examined.

                I suggested, based on the plans of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces and the fundamentals of NPP safety, that the nuclear reactor in Dimon is located on the surface of the earth (to minimize the risk of a thermal explosion of the reactor becoming nuclear).

                SUPAHFLY insists on the underground location of the reactor at a depth of 100 meters, based on its own understanding of nuclear safety, thermal and nuclear explosions of the reactor (despite the fact that some of the terms are unfamiliar to him).

                By the way, what happened to Iranian nuclear reactors?
                1. socks
                  socks 13 May 2017 21: 54 New
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                  That which didn’t happen there, and centrifuge accidents and sudden shutdowns of cooling circuits and other AGC breakdowns.
      2. socks
        socks 13 May 2017 17: 06 New
        0
        Quote: SUPAHFLY
        poor muzzle to a vanuna he served in prison in vain lol


        Lawyer? Or spam again?
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 18: 13 New
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          Again, why didn’t they understand?
          1. socks
            socks 13 May 2017 21: 55 New
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            And from such a straight I like doors. Shaw is written on that and I answer.
            So what country are you living in now, eh? Did not hear?
  23. socks
    socks 13 May 2017 17: 04 New
    0
    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    why, you continue to give evidence here


    Did you just become spam?
    1. SUPAHFLY
      SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 17: 14 New
      0
      so you start talking teeth as the author of the article Damantsov LOL
      1. socks
        socks 13 May 2017 17: 18 New
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        So spam and laugh again. Do you know what the sign of laughter for no reason?

        Have you prepared an answer about the flag yet?
        1. SUPAHFLY
          SUPAHFLY 13 May 2017 18: 18 New
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          There is a reason, the answer has already been
          therefore, they talk further, but they say there is no conspiracy ... LMAO.
          1. socks
            socks 13 May 2017 22: 01 New
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            There was no answer, a link to the answer in the studio. From the well-deserved "but hide in the neck"? And for sho?

            I spat out your simplest techniques of the initial course of NLP and went to the toilet even when you were a muddy drop of genetic material. I studied rhetoric for years, I synchronously translated closed security courses. You want to compete with me. Give it a try. The pleasure is all yours!
  24. megajob
    megajob 13 May 2017 20: 08 New
    0
    Sasha Crimean,
    But we are sending this "people" to Allah! Well, they themselves all the time remember the name of God in vain and often cover Evil with them. So "blame yourself." And finally - we have an “official document” to kill every beast in Syria from their current official leaders. But your "God-chosen" mug in Syria, no one called to bomb anything there !! You are still responsible for the preparation and equipment of the rodent killers of the civilian population of Ossetia am
    "Gazprom is our everything"
  25. socks
    socks 13 May 2017 22: 12 New
    0
    Quote: megajob
    But your "God-chosen" mug in Syria, no one called to bomb anything there !! You are still responsible for the preparation and equipment of the rodent killers of the civilian population of Ossetia

    You (personally you, this does not apply to all Russians), the “god-bearing” boor, we don’t have a decree, and the times when we lowered our heads in front of you passed forever, want to rush to check it out? Check, not grind with your tongue, only then we will remember everything for 2K years and according to the strict Law of the Law without discounts on Deuteronomy. Does the prostate enter the intestinal tract? Georgia’s equipment was delivered before the start of the conflict and, at the first request of Russia, all future transactions were stopped. Do not crib about what you do not know and do not want to know, a homegrown disinfector. I, like you, of zombie broadcasters in the network, prepared in batches, sewed and dissected the second time, if the first course of treatment did not help.

    I have close people close to the Smolensk Metropolitan. From I will send it all to them, Nehai will look from the height of his dignity at this disgrace.
  26. Walanin
    Walanin 14 May 2017 01: 33 New
    +2
    Damantsev must retire. Even the stubborn urapatriots still begin to miss.
    Eugene, tell us better about your pension, about your social security. How are the grandchildren?
  27. Sedoy
    Sedoy 14 May 2017 15: 11 New
    0
    ........ :)

  28. socks
    socks 14 May 2017 20: 24 New
    0
    SUPAHFLY,
    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    it is clear and everyone knows for a long time, your logic also has its own lol


    There is no logic of its own; it is formally, informal, and still distorted. Maybe pulling up for the next portion of knowledge spam then?

    Have you written where you live? I probably missed even?
  29. socks
    socks 14 May 2017 20: 26 New
    0
    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    "scoop" and a retiring Great Ukrainian pension sounds entertaining ... LOL
    from a scoop usually throw somewhere ...

    That which amuses you usually sounds disgusting.

    So where have I thrown you to? Where can I read?
  30. socks
    socks 14 May 2017 20: 29 New
    0
    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    more than enough but not far
    Why so immediately "second"? judging by this you have little hope ...

    Can you explain what you want to say humanly?
  31. socks
    socks 14 May 2017 20: 30 New
    0
    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    see for yourself ...

    And you will not see. wink
  32. socks
    socks 14 May 2017 20: 50 New
    0
    SUPAHFLY,
    Quote: SUPAHFLY
    burst - it means horrible ... who would doubt it.


    Oh. My ass is getting colder. Farewell. You will never find yourself there again. I'm dying ... For today ... tongue
  33. maai
    maai 14 May 2017 23: 24 New
    0
    As usual - until the cock pecks ...
  34. Grigory_78
    Grigory_78 3 June 2017 19: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Sasha Crimean
    yehat ↑
    Today, 16: 15
    Do you call these people barlales?

    In particular, yes. It is this people called Arab - and it does not matter where they live.

    It's funny Once the French, Belgian, Russian jihadists come to Syria, as you begin to call them the "people of Assad." Original. Long since escaped from a mental hospital, dear?