China introduced a light combat aircraft

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The Chinese enterprise Hongdu Aircraft Industry Group (HAIG) hosted the press release ceremony of the first L-15B combat aircraft, which is a modified combat version of the HA-L-15 combat training aircraft (JL-10), reported bmpd.



Twin aircraft L-15B is designed for use as a light fighter-attack aircraft and transitional combat training aircraft.



“Unlike the baseline L-15, the new L-15B aircraft is equipped with the developed Ivchenko-Progress design bureau and the AI-222-25F engines with an afterburner — the afterburner version of the AI-222- engine mastered by Motor-Sich JSC 25. Also, the L-15B aircraft must be equipped with an on-board radar (with a passive HEADLIGHT), a self-defense complex, an armament control complex, including a guided one, and have 11 external suspension assemblies, ”the author writes citing Chinese media.



It is noted that the L-15 fighter was developed by HAIG designers in the 1990 and 2000 years with the participation of the Yakovlev Design Bureau and "is in fact a Chinese modification of the Russian Yak-130 aircraft."


China introduced a light combat aircraft
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  1. +1
    2 May 2017 12: 18
    China never ceases to amaze with its military industry.
    1. +15
      2 May 2017 12: 22
      Quote: Pirogov
      China never ceases to amaze with its military industry.

      Well, yes, when some of China’s developments are “similar” to foreign ones. This one, for example, Yak 130 wink
      1. +3
        2 May 2017 12: 24
        China never ceases to amaze with its military industry
        I didn’t even start reading the article - I thought about the Yak-130, it happened, and yes - it never ceases to amaze laughing
        1. +2
          2 May 2017 12: 31
          China introduced a light combat aircraft


          Or rather a copy of our combat training Yak-130 laughing
          1. +1
            2 May 2017 13: 46
            This is not a complete copy! It is enough that the Chinese is supersonic, unlike the Yak. In principle, this will not give him obvious advantages, but still ...
            1. 0
              3 May 2017 20: 06

              Quote: Vlad.by
              This is not a complete copy! It is enough that the Chinese is supersonic, unlike the Yak.

              And even the engine that gives rise to this "difference" is coming out of them .., that is, Soviet origin.
              “Unlike the" base "L-15, the new L-15B aircraft is equipped with AI-222-25F engines developed by Zaporizhzhya Ivchenko-Progress Design Bureau and mastered by AO Motor-Sich - afterburner version of the AI-222- engine 25.
        2. +2
          2 May 2017 12: 37
          It can be said, and vice versa, that this is not surprising.
      2. 0
        2 May 2017 14: 40
        Our Yak-130 is also copied? Look at the UBS of other countries.
      3. +1
        2 May 2017 16: 59
        Japanese during WWII created flocks "Zerro". China apparently decided to take this path
      4. 0
        2 May 2017 17: 37
        Yeah ... someone he eerily reminds ....
    2. +5
      2 May 2017 12: 22
      People work there, not talk.
      1. +2
        2 May 2017 12: 24
        Have you tried to read an article?
      2. +1
        2 May 2017 12: 49
        Nevertheless, China cannot get rid of copy-paste in any way.
    3. +8
      2 May 2017 12: 22
      The plane was developed by Yakovlev, Ukrainian engines. Radar - PFAR. What interesting did this industry surprise you?
      1. +7
        2 May 2017 12: 26
        Quote: Muvka
        The plane was developed by Yakovlev, Ukrainian engines. Radar - PFAR. What interesting did this industry surprise you?

        The fact that China will have a hundred or more in the near future. They will be available, not on paper.
        1. +9
          2 May 2017 12: 28
          they will only have, and we already have almost 100 better Yak-130s. Waiting for your admiration for our industry.
          1. +6
            2 May 2017 12: 31
            Quote: Muvka
            Waiting for your admiration for our industry.

            This is Beria, he constantly aches, while the level of knowledge is at zero.
          2. +6
            2 May 2017 12: 31
            Well, here I do not agree, in the format of a light combat aircraft, the L-15В has the following advantages:
            - the speed M +, unlike the Yak with 950km / h, for the TCB speed does not play a role, but for the CCD already plays.
            - radar.
            - OLS
            - the ability to work with containers
            - 11 suspension units
            1. +1
              2 May 2017 12: 36
              Well, a little too much. It happens to everyone?)
            2. +7
              2 May 2017 12: 49
              It is arguable that for UBS the speed M + does not matter. They do not strike the ground at supersonic. It is necessary to aim in time .... And For the interceptor and their M + anywhere. so the Yak-130 is quite in this respect made grammatically.
              1. +4
                2 May 2017 13: 07
                Not. For example, you need to force a liner - going on the echelon - to land.

                Anchor - it will catch up with it in the last drops (well, or in another country, as lucky). But the L-15 on the afterburner will give more than double the speed with climb to the echelon.

                Forced landing / overflight tasks = typical, for any air force.

                Similarly, if we say the Karakum / eLki have flown to the front edge. Their anchor, even from duty, is not a fact that it will be delayed in the BVB. Because there is no radar, the speed is about the same.

                But L-15B - from duty, they’ll completely shoot at them with an SD thread with 20-30km (there is a radar), and then it will catch up and finish it with BVB.

                This, again, is a typical task for all air forces. Now we look at the Air Force of potential buyers / opponents of buyers. And we see all sorts of Tukano, eLki, MiG-19, MiG-21, K8, AlphaJets, F5 and other Super Coffins.
                1. +4
                  2 May 2017 13: 22
                  Sorry, but intercepting air targets is a task for fighters. Direct support aircraft do not have such tasks. Well, no one will use the SU-25 to intercept a Boeing. (Although, in principle, this is possible) ... And we have the functions of a light aircraft MIG-29 as I understand it. And for him it is a completely easy task. Yes, he weighs almost three times. But there are more opportunities. To summarize - I'm not saying that China made a bad plane. What they can not take away - copy be healthy. But this is not the main thing - the main thing is they are intensively updating their fleet of military equipment of all kinds. That is the main thing.
                  1. +4
                    2 May 2017 14: 35
                    So, probable buyers do not have MiG-29 and generally money for 2-3 type of aircraft (minus popovozov and all kinds of civilian aircraft).

                    That is, what thread Zambia has old, falling apart MiG-21 and museum MiG-19.

                    She bought the ultra-cheap K8 Pakistani assembly, on credit. And now he is looking for a combat aircraft, also cheaper, but new. And the ability to use the aircraft (L15B) as a full fighter with SD missiles, its own radar and M + is quite a competitive advantage, along with a preferential Chinese loan for the subsoil.

                    If there is money for several types of airplanes, then there is no sense in wrapping up with a separate UBS; it is better to train on UTS - with a large resource, cheap flight hour, extensive training opportunities, forgiving gross errors, etc.
              2. +2
                2 May 2017 13: 43
                Quote: Topotun
                It is arguable that for UBS the speed M + does not matter. They do not strike the ground at supersonic. It is necessary to aim in time .... And For the interceptor and their M + anywhere. so the Yak-130 is quite in this respect made grammatically.

                There is such a concept of flying time .... But I think that M + turned out on its own because engine power is enough, but how to carry on 11 suspensions ???
            3. +1
              2 May 2017 13: 22
              speed M +, unlike the Yak with 950km / h, speed does not matter for TCB, but already plays for UBS

              But do not tell me how essentially the same glider, with the same engines, but with more weight, suddenly gave a speed increase of more than 400 km / h? Do not get fooled by Chinese advertising. They are always higher, thicker and more technologically advanced. in fact, I do not know a single sample of Chinese military equipment that would be superior to our or Western counterparts.
              1. +1
                2 May 2017 13: 35
                Quote: Berkut24
                speed M +, unlike the Yak with 950km / h, speed does not matter for TCB, but already plays for UBS

                But do not tell me how essentially the same glider, with the same engines, but with more weight, suddenly gave a speed increase of more than 400 km / h? Do not get fooled by Chinese advertising. They are always higher, thicker and more technologically advanced. in fact, I do not know a single sample of Chinese military equipment that would be superior to our or Western counterparts.

                As I understand it, the engines here are different. We have no afterburner, but here with.
                1. 0
                  2 May 2017 15: 26
                  For the Chinese, the specifications on the engine are the same as ours. Afterburner mode is registered as short-term.
                  1. 0
                    2 May 2017 15: 27
                    “Unlike the" base "L-15, the new L-15B aircraft is equipped with AI-222-25F engines developed by Zaporizhzhya Ivchenko-Progress Design Bureau and mastered by AO Motor-Sich - afterburner version of the AI-222- engine 25.
                    On the Yak-130 AI-222-25.
                2. +1
                  3 May 2017 14: 41
                  But after all, as far as I know, the wing profile providing subsonic and supersonic flight is very different?
            4. +2
              2 May 2017 13: 53
              Which of the following does not have Yak? Well, except that, in addition to the speed M +, which is not very necessary for UBS, the more so that + is not so significant and the kerosene eats like a horse drinks water.
              This M + is most likely needed only as an advertising application for sale to the Papuans, especially considering that the cost of the Chinese is lower.
              Some So Su Dopot will be pleased to own a dozen, albeit Chinese, but supersonic aircraft.
              1. 0
                2 May 2017 14: 40
                From B - no radar. Well, there is no work with containers, since there are no containers.

                That is, L15B - has both container support and its own radar. Yak has none of this (it will probably be on the shock version in the future).

                Yes, and the point? The Yak is positioned as a pure TCB - PR is the classic advantage of the school desk.

                L15B - PR as an inexpensive universal aircraft, capable of everything.

                If there is money, or there are already combat aircraft in the park, then UBS is not needed, as it were.
                If there is little money, and any museum in the world will gladly buy out the available aircraft, then there is reason to think, especially to any African countries where the opponents have the same flying museum. And here, cheap (especially for Chinese soft loan programs) and functional L15B looks quite interesting to itself. He will disperse the museum of opponents, and he will be able to support pilots in uniform, and he is not ashamed to show at the parade.
                1. +2
                  2 May 2017 15: 08
                  Well, I’d beware of functionality. Having 11 suspension units and a Chinese sighting container, even copied from the American one, is not functionality yet.
                  How it all works in conjunction, only Yahweh or Buddha knows. Yes, and the radar in the nose cone L15 does not fit much more powerful than the Mig-21 radio range finder in the air intake cone. This is a joke, of course, but in every joke ...
                2. +2
                  2 May 2017 15: 52
                  Yes, and the point? The Yak is positioned as a pure TCB - PR is the classic advantage of the school desk.
                  I expected this comment from you, the rest does not need to be discussed, even amateurs understand. UBS and TCB, both heaven and earth, both in work and in maintenance. Therefore emnip, 130th is a transitional school desk on the T-50 and heavy Su. Everything else is on the MiGs. The Chinese have been procrastinating this plane for about 10 years, and finally it’s rolled out. But the Italians with their M-346 also riveted more than 50 and that's it. But the show-offs were: three PTB, M +, all things.
                  Wait and see, in a word.
          3. +2
            2 May 2017 12: 58
            Quote: Muvka
            they will only have, and we already have almost 100 better Yak-130s. Waiting for your admiration for our industry.

            L-15B is not an analog of the Yak-130. Its relative counterpart is L-15. It has been mass-produced since 2013. We have nothing similar to the L-15B.
            By the way, the Yak -130 is a joint Russian-Italian development.
        2. +1
          2 May 2017 12: 50
          So Yak-130 and we have available, and already have, but will not.
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    5. +1
      2 May 2017 12: 23
      Yes, the pace of development is surprising. But do not forget, the basic foundations of development were laid with the help of the Soviet Union. From the first photo I realized that the Yakovleva Design Bureau had a hand in it .. smile
    6. +1
      2 May 2017 12: 24
      Quote: Pirogov
      China never ceases to amaze with its military industry.

      The fact that the aircraft was developed by the Russian design bureau and the engines are Ukrainian on it?
    7. +1
      2 May 2017 15: 49
      Quote: Pirogov
      China never ceases to amaze with its military industry.

      DOESN'T STOP AMAZING OUR FARS. On the export prospects of our Yak-130, you can draw a fat letter "X"
    8. +1
      3 May 2017 12: 28
      "China does not cease to amaze with its military industry" ////

      China has an extremely ambitious plan (adopted last year)
      to become the FIRST air power in 20 years. In military and civil aviation.
      For these purposes, TRILLION dollars are allocated for 20 years.
      My forecast: the second (for the USA) they will become accurate, and the first - in doubt ...
      Development and production of jet engines (for liners and military)
      highlighted separately in the "strategic direction".
  2. 0
    2 May 2017 12: 22
    Well, what kind of thread Myanmar, Ethiopia, Uganda, Tanzania, and other Zambia-Ghana - where China is actively involved in the formation of the armed forces, it’s completely going for itself.

    To bomb local Islamists, force some aircraft with smugglers to land, etc.
    1. 0
      2 May 2017 12: 30
      You forgot what else
      ... a transitional combat trainer.
      .
  3. NUR
    0
    2 May 2017 12: 29
    In China, there will soon be more drones than in the United States.
  4. +2
    2 May 2017 12: 32
    The L-15 was developed by HAIG designers in the 1990s and 2000 with the participation of Yakovlev Design Bureau and "is actually a Chinese modification of the Russian Yak-130 aircraft"

    is equipped with AI-222-25F engines developed by Zaporizhzhya Design Bureau "Ivchenko-Progress" and mastered by JSC "Motor-Sich"

    So Ukrainians and Chinas and put together a coffin for the import of Yak-130 ...
    1. +2
      2 May 2017 12: 36
      Quote: Young_Communist
      So Ukrainians and Chinas and put together a coffin for the import of Yak-130 ...

      Despite all the copies of China, imports of our weapons are growing
      1. 0
        2 May 2017 13: 59
        Don’t confuse this. Russia is an arms exporter, not an importer. No one is going to hang out with China on the market of the "new" Mig-19 and Mig-21 or supersonic variation of the Yak-130.
    2. 0
      2 May 2017 13: 24
      Quote: Young_Communist
      So Ukrainians and Chinas and put together a coffin for the import of Yak-130 ...

      And a little bit of Yakovlev Design Bureau took part.
  5. win
    0
    2 May 2017 12: 34
    In vain they put the Ukrainian engine.
    What if Ukraine collapses?
    And did they provide for import substitution?
    1. +1
      2 May 2017 12: 49
      Quote: Siegen
      In vain they put the Ukrainian engine.
      What if Ukraine collapses?
      And did they provide for import substitution?

      It's funny that Ukraine itself wanted to buy the L-15. But not mastered ...
      As for your question, I don’t think that the hypothetical bankruptcy of Motor Sich will be a big problem for the production of L-15. It’s just that the program will slow down and the Chinese will have to fork out.
      The idea of ​​purchasing in Ukraine is simple — it is difficult even for the PRC to produce engines for all types of aircraft in the right number of people, while in Ukraine it’s cheap to buy and you can easily adopt the right technology.
    2. +1
      2 May 2017 17: 33
      The leadership of the PRC, in contrast to the "oligarchy" of the Russian Federation, provides much and the technology of engines is already technically skizzh ... (sold by ukropatriots).
  6. +2
    2 May 2017 12: 37
    If you do not look at the presence of two engines, but imagine in their place one ... YAK-130 externally ...
    1. +6
      2 May 2017 12: 49
      At Anchor, these same engines and two of them too!

      Only the Chinese ordered with an afterburner (and then a full afterburner option), and Yakovlevtsi is a more resourceful afterburner.

      This is far from the Chinese more traction and the possibility of M + (for TCB it is even bad, but for UBS it is very good).

      And you need to look at the glider. The Chinese have it very remade, in fact there the scheme is optimized for M +, and at Anchor under the range 300-700km / h.
      1. +2
        2 May 2017 12: 49
        But the L-15 is ordinary. Pretty much different.
        1. 0
          2 May 2017 15: 57
          At first, the Yakovlevites also wanted to create a supersonic UTS modification for the world market - the mod is now on it, but then they signed some kind of understanding agreement with the Chinese, the essence of which is that Russia makes a subsonic plane, and the Chinese are supersonic. In short, they voluntarily exposed themselves as fools.
  7. +1
    2 May 2017 13: 06
    On the side it looks like a little tie from Prostokvashino.
  8. 0
    2 May 2017 13: 22
    Copy everything.
    On this site you can endlessly talk about weapons, and on the automotive site - about the endless copying of cars from around the world.
  9. +1
    2 May 2017 13: 45
    First-class dviglo ... let's see how it shows itself in operation, but a solid engine ... I had to tinker with the afterburner but in general the norms ... they built almost 10 years ...
  10. +1
    2 May 2017 14: 09
    For some reason, the MIGs of the 21st of the latest modifications like me most of all these new cheap low-flying fighters. Yes, I understand, it is outdated and not the easiest in flight. But the speed there is not childish, the maneuverability is excellent, the plane itself is simple, reliable, cheap ... Conservatism probably ... hi
  11. +1
    2 May 2017 14: 24
    Quote: supertiger21
    China introduced a light combat aircraft

    Or rather a copy of our combat training Yak-130 laughing

    Rather, it looks like a combat training Mig-AT
  12. 0
    2 May 2017 15: 22
    They will hammer us with our weapons ...
    We are for them "e lo sos" - below all developed countries - "hungry, backward, dead" ...
    Well, maybe Somalia is also called that.
    Who is the most respected for China is Anglo-Saxon, although he is a beast, he is dangerous and respected. In second place - Japan ... They hate her, but they are scared.
    But the attitude towards Russia is much more contemptuous than ours towards Bandera ...
    So it's not very worth it to rejoice at their successes. Not for that, the United States (and therefore the whole world) has been feeding them for 45 years.
    1. +2
      2 May 2017 17: 45
      We are prey for them when we behave like prey. For example, now under the leadership of the "oligarchy" of the Russian Federation. And when the USSR was, the name was 帝国 的 北部 - Empire of the North.
  13. 0
    2 May 2017 15: 51
    I look and see Yak 130. PPC

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