The experimental vessel "Seliger", with the ability to work at depth, entered the area of the death of "Liman"

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Experimental vessel of project 11982 "Seliger" of the Black Sea fleet (Black Sea Fleet), which has the capabilities for deep-sea research, went to the area of the death of the medium reconnaissance ship (SRK) "Liman" Black Sea Fleet, which sank on April 27 near the entrance to the Bosphorus Strait. This follows from the data of the international automatic identification system AIS, reports Interfax-AVN. Earlier it was reported that a rescue tug SB-739 of the Black Sea Fleet was sent to the place of the Liman’s death.

The concentration of these vessels in the place of the Liman’s death may indicate that options are being considered related to the study of the possibility of lifting IBS, or part of its special equipment,

- An expert in the field of the Navy told Interfax-AVN.

The export vessel of the 11982 project "Seliger", built at the Baltic shipbuilding plant "Yantar" (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) for the Russian Navy, was incorporated into the Black Sea Fleet of Russia 25 December 2012.

Experimental vessel "Seliger", having the ability to work at depth, entered the area of sinking of "Liman"

The Black Sea Fleet is the only vessel with dynamic positioning. It is intended to conduct various research projects in the interests of one or other areas of combat training of the Navy, in particular, deep-sea research.

The project was developed in Almaz Central Metallurgical Bureau. The length of the vessel is 59,7 m, the width is 10,8 m, the displacement is about 1117 t. The speed of the vessel is 13 knots, the cruising range is 1000 miles, the crew is 16 people.

SRK Chelyabinsk Fleet "Liman" sank on April 27 in the Black Sea after colliding with a foreign vessel. A collision occurred at 11: 53 at 40 km west of the Bosphorus. According to official data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Russian warship sank, having received a hole in the starboard below the waterline. As previously reported, all special equipment from the wreck was evacuated. Material "IN" can be read here

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Zibelew

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1 May 2017 19: 25

Most likely they will not raise the estuary.
1. cost
  
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  1 May 2017 19: 40
  
  Not at all necessary. You can blow it up
  1. cniza
    
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    1 May 2017 19: 43
    
    It may not be allowed to detonate, even out of harm, but the rise is quite likely, the more the weather will be favorable.
    1. bouncyhunter
      
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      1 May 2017 19: 46
      
      Don’t argue, men. Both options are possible. Let's wait with the sudden conclusions.
      1. Zibelew
        
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        1 May 2017 19: 51
        
        Since the ship did not go down to the bottom with a stone, the crew and the captain leaving the ship must perform a simple algorithm of actions, as a result of which the damage from the loss of secrets will be minimal. I have no doubt that they did.
        By the way, the vessel of the project 11982 "Seliger" is intended for testing special technical means, participating in search and rescue operations, conducting research and oceanographic works. The length of the vessel is 63,8 m, breadth - 10,8 m, maximum draft - 3,8 m, speed - 12 knots, cruising range - 1 thousand miles, autonomy - 20 days, crew - 16 people, expedition - 20 person. At the moment, experimental vessels “Ladoga” and “Ilmen” are being built.
        
        bouncyhunter
        
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        1 May 2017 19: 53
        
        Tagiryan, what if this procedure is reversible? Why leave at the bottom or blow up a valuable ship?
        
        Zibelew
        
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        1 May 2017 20: 00
        
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Why leave at the bottom or blow up a valuable ship?
        
        Just in case, it is better to undermine for the irreversibility of the procedure. When the Valiant BOD drowned, valuable equipment was dismantled from the sunken ship, and its hull was blown up on the ground.
        
        midivan
        
        +7
        
        1 May 2017 20: 44
        
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Why leave at the bottom or blow up a valuable ship?
        
        Greetings Pasha! So he seems to be as old as S. Budyonny’s horse why disgrace let him rest in peace, served his.
        
        bouncyhunter
        
        +4
        
        1 May 2017 20: 50
        
        Happy holiday, Vanya!
        Quote: midivan
        So he seems to be as old as S. Budyonny’s horse why disgrace let him rest in peace, served his.
        
        Maybe so . But anyway - sorry for the military unit ...
        
        midivan
        
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        1 May 2017 21: 00
        
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Maybe so . But anyway - sorry for the military unit ...
        
        You know, Pasha is not the least bit to me, I’m watching the news, Donbass show Spartak and there are only 70 people living there and 2 Two Pasha! child of all, the girl shows how she quickly hides in the basement! Yes, I’m their mother and ... l, and ours is also a guide! The creatures can’t take out, there’s probably nowhere for Paskuda to have a little space! And such a life will be crippled for the child’s psyche for the rest of his life, and the future mother, if she survives of course, is where Pasha is sorry. And this pelvis and to hell with it!
        
        bouncyhunter
        
        +6
        
        1 May 2017 21: 13
        
        Van, let's not talk about the Donbass - a sore point. And then I can break the mat - they will send to the bathhouse. And only on Fridays I used to go to the bathhouse.
        
        midivan
        
        +4
        
        1 May 2017 21: 17
        
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Van, let's not talk about the Donbass - a sore point.
        
        I agree Pasha, hard without a mat at this time
        
        Mordvin 3
        
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        1 May 2017 20: 51
        
        Quote: midivan
        So he seems to be as old as S. Budyonny’s horse
        
        That one, huh?
        
        midivan
        
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        1 May 2017 21: 19
        
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        That one, huh?
        
        I think this one is still running, his teeth are in perfect order. He is similar to Mustang Donskoy, although he may be mistaken.
        
        Mordvin 3
        
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        1 May 2017 21: 26
        
        Quote: midivan
        I think this one is still running
        
        Of course he runs, look, what a funny one.
        
        midivan
        
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        1 May 2017 21: 49
        
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        look what fun
        
        We should ask what kind of grass is growing there, it’s not casual that it is so funny
        
        cost
        
        +1
        
        1 May 2017 23: 11
        
        midivan : Similar to Mustang Donskoy, although I may be mistaken.
        If I’m not mistaken, the Salsk breed
      2. cniza
        
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        1 May 2017 19: 52
        
        We are trying to clever, lying on the sofas, without us snotty understand.
      3. Unclean
        
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        1 May 2017 20: 31
        
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Don’t argue, men. Both options are possible. Let's wait with the sudden conclusions.
        
        Perhaps it’s possible, ce, they didn’t mix up the liases, they will pick them up and then blow them up. But seriously, why just now sent a special vessel to the crash site.,
    2. Orionvit
      
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      1 May 2017 22: 55
      
      but the rise is quite likely, the more the weather will be favorable.
      Raising the ship, this is not a coin from the bottom to get. It can drag on for a long time, weeks (maybe months), the weather will change a thousand times.
    3. venik
      
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      2 May 2017 10: 43
      
      Quote: cniza
      They may not allow to explode, even out of harm.
      
      ======
      Hello! And what did “Estuary” sank in Turkish territorial waters? As far as I know - in neutral! And if so, then who can "not allow" ??? Most likely they will pull something out or destroy it "on the spot" .... Raise it? ...... The ship is old and the depth is not shallow - 90 m !!! Well, let's see ...
  2. Radomir
    
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    1 May 2017 19: 46
    
    I also think so, I generally imagined that on ships of this class there is a procedure for preparing for undermining in emergency situations. Something like "only the ship disappeared under the waves as the captain pressed a button and that’s all, there’s no need to worry that someone else’s divers will find or remove something.
    1. Mystery12345
      
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      1 May 2017 20: 00
      
      The experimental vessel "Seliger", with the ability to work at depth, entered the area of the death of "Liman"
      therefore, I forgot the same, as a start-up, the stash in the cabin ....
    2. midivan
      
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      1 May 2017 20: 38
      
      Quote: Radomir
      I also think so, I generally imagined that on ships of this class there is a procedure for preparing for undermining in emergency situations.
      
      Truly Nascensical !, if you beat like that, but I don’t understand why the bombings are needed? Even if the equipment occupies 1/3 of the ship (I can’t imagine what it looks like) it’s sure that the secret takes up the total amount of iron, well, let it be 10 percent, and in this volume, 10 percent of the secrets really have value, so why big boobs and trouble I don’t need anything, as I think the devices that are of some value are boards and microcircuits (well, the stuffing isn’t relay there), therefore, when assembling these blocks under the boards, it’s enough to install panels that will burn this stuffing to ashes, well, exaggeratedly recalling childhood is magnesium, Manganese mixed with any substance, for example, which will not allow an explosion and provide a high temperature, and the control of this piece of the check and the red button, pressed inside the hissed body is there and no longer represents value Doesn't roll, do you need to bang?
      1. KCA
        
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        2 May 2017 10: 13
        
        The radio relay part, although why is it on a reconnaissance ship, is not a small secret, it is also a ZAS, and channel compression equipment, a lot of secret
    3. Orionvit
      
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      1 May 2017 23: 02
      
      As far as I know, in the fleet (during the Union), when trying to pull a secret block out of the hull, high voltage was immediately applied to it, and it simply burned out from the inside. I don’t know if the team managed to flood before it’s underwater, as it’s problematic.
2. Bath
  
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  1 May 2017 21: 09
  
  Any Seliger has his own Ashot)))
RASKAT

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1 May 2017 19: 26

And at what depth did our ship sink? See really get something?
1. cost
  
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  1 May 2017 19: 30
  
  Always get something real. there would be a desire
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2. Malchish Kibalchish
  
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  1 May 2017 19: 58
  
  Exactly one hundred meters
Bronevick

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1 May 2017 19: 31

There already obviously the western partners climbed and pulled out something.
1. Anton Serov
  
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  1 May 2017 19: 53
  
  What is the obviousness? From coffee grounds in a neighbor's cup on the table?
  1. donavi49
    
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    1 May 2017 20: 22
    
    Well, the Turks on the very first day without AIS shoved their submarine rescuer there from Middle-earth.
    
    And secondly, at that depth divers can work, without additional tricks.
  2. serkhan
    
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    2 May 2017 07: 35
    
    it is unlikely that the sinking of the ship was an accident, because of which it was concluded that they were ready to "climb and pull".
    1. igorkuzik
      
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      2 May 2017 20: 31
      
      http://hunternews.ru/?p=30783&utm_campaign=tr
      ansit & utm_source = mirtesen & utm_medium = news
Stas157

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1 May 2017 19: 51

. As previously reported, all special equipment from the sunken ship was evacuated.
Apparently not all, since such serious movements take place. But raising a ship that has absolutely no value makes no sense. If only to remove (cut off) the secret equipment, and if it is impossible to blow up.
siemens7774

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1 May 2017 19: 57

Well, hare stupid. They already said that all the cunning special equipment was removed in advance, before flooding, and taken to the base.
1. Mystery12345
  
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  1 May 2017 20: 03
  
  Quote: siemens7774
  Well hare stupid
  
  really ... they barely saved the ass ... when the hell to shoot something ...
  1. Simple
    
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    1 May 2017 20: 46
    
    Could be worse.
2. igorkuzik
  
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  2 May 2017 20: 32
  
  You can speak to the public, anything! And how did the Turks look at the fact that secret information was being taken away before their nose?
san4es

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1 May 2017 20: 02
Estimated location of collision. Depth 85-95 meters
Vadim237

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1 May 2017 20: 02

The study of sunken scrap metal is an epic.
iliitchitch

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1 May 2017 20: 25

Experimental vessel, yes. I agree about the vessel, but about the adjective ... Write in Russian, chocks. And even if this is a tradition - what the hell is the point? What is not an experienced ship? That's how we Tatars, and Boryutstsa for the purity of the Russian language. "Estuary" sank, yeah. Why are you there, without a locator shied in the fog ??? Ooh, something's not good in the kingdom. There is something to scratch the kumpol.
1. osoboye_mneniye
  
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  1 May 2017 21: 30
  
  You are acting stupid. What is easier to ask Yandex before resenting?
  http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/sea/13692/%D0%9E%D
  0%BF%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5
  You see, there is such a thing as terminology. Based on commonly used expressions, it may not sound right. But this does not mean that she really is not true.
  Do you really think that the cardinal’s guards are working on the site, but you, Dartanyan, have forgotten to ask?
  For your own good.
2. Vladimir Mamkin
  
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  2 May 2017 01: 18
  
  The so-called experimental vessel is called because it is a prototype that is being tested on it for new equipment, weapons, equipment, etc. it's simple language
3. venik
  
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  2 May 2017 10: 59
  
  Quote: iliitch
  Write in Russian, chocks. And even if this is a tradition - what the hell is the point? What is not an experienced ship?
  
  =====
  I explain for the “GRAMMATS”: In naval terminology and in accordance with the rules of the Russian language, an Experimental ship is experimental (that is, for testing concepts, calculations, units and mechanisms), and Experimental for conducting research and experiments (i.e. e. as they used to say - "EXPERIMENTAL SETTING" .... That's it !!!
masiya

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1 May 2017 20: 51

Raise or not lift, it is not a question ... the main secret equipment, how to get it or destroy it, it’s interesting ...,
siemens7774

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1 May 2017 20: 55

Quote: Mystery12345
Quote: siemens7774
Well hare stupid

really ... they barely saved the ass ... when the hell to shoot something ...

The whole problem is that the ship kept afloat enough time to take out the equipment and documentation to the boats and transfer it to the approached ship. The people there did not expect to be able to save the ship or not. We insured in advance. what was standing.
1. Mister22408
  
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  2 May 2017 00: 26
  
  Three stood on the bridge - he, she and he ... What are the racks?
APASUS

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1 May 2017 21: 26

Something is not entirely clear with this collision initially.
Where did the AIS system go? The system is based on VHF radio reception, transmits and receives dynamic and static information - data on the speed of the vessel, its position, international identification number MMSI, name of the vessel. Currently, the system is mandatory for ships over 300 tons.
And without it, it is impossible to insure the ship.
Where the team watched all 3 hours that the ship was afloat after the collision Who fought for survivability?
1. Kubik
  
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  2 May 2017 00: 04
  
  strange topic, I agree. And this barge, walked in such a way that it made a hole below the waterline, it is necessary. Galera, her mother. With a ram.
  1. iliitchitch
    
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    2 May 2017 01: 53
    
    Quote: Kubik
    strange topic, I agree. And this barge, walked in such a way that it made a hole below the waterline, it is necessary. Galera, her mother. With a ram.
    
    Why are they there, everyone was buzzing in the trash, or what? I do not believe . But to the bottom of a large sea to moor, it is necessary to manage. Here is a disgrace. Yes, yes, this is a disgrace. No discounts, human factor. Experienced-shmaputovy ship-noisy, yell as much as you want, but I am sorry for the State.
Orionvit

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1 May 2017 23: 05

Quote: siemens7774
Well, hare stupid. They already said that all the cunning special equipment was removed in advance, before flooding, and taken to the base.

Who took it out? The conversation was that only the crew removed, and then different ships.
1. igorkuzik
  
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  2 May 2017 20: 35
  
  And the Turks just looked and did not drop their luggage ... ;-)
Charik

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1 May 2017 23: 40

and it will drown there
1. lelikas
  
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  2 May 2017 00: 13
  
  You just don’t drown!
  1. Charik
    
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    2 May 2017 11: 33
    
    what are you uncle call names at once
Mister22408

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2 May 2017 00: 45

A hole in the RIGHT side, in the engine! . MPSS ... The cattle truck has two radars! From Togo !!! and the included AIS along with rule 19 in the captain’s head and interpretation of it ... The cattle truck turned around after an accident on the spot for a day and went back to Midia in the middle (and they said it follows the same course). Who drove on the bridge before the passage of the pouring zone? Was the last radar sent to the reindeer herder breeder on the yacht? With AIS - understandable (researcher ) ... One consolation is that if it had been specially, then the Turks would not have driven a special vessel afterwards.
1. iliitchitch
  
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  2 May 2017 18: 18
  
  Quote: Mister22408
  One consolation is that if it had been specially, then the Turks would not have driven a special vessel afterwards.
  
  And the Turks are right there. Yeah, purely for the Su-24 apologize. The muddy story.
ver_

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2 May 2017 06: 59

Quote: iliitch
Quote: Kubik
strange topic, I agree. And this barge, walked in such a way that it made a hole below the waterline, it is necessary. Galera, her mother. With a ram.

Why are they there, everyone was buzzing in the trash, or what? I do not believe . But to the bottom of a large sea to moor, it is necessary to manage. Here is a disgrace. Yes, yes, this is a disgrace. No discounts, human factor. Experienced-shmaputovy ship-noisy, yell as much as you want, but I am sorry for the State.

.. well, and this barge was sailing only ..- the flying Gollanets damn .. silent as a ghost .. and the acoustics in the latrine read the newspaper ..
pafegosoff

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2 May 2017 08: 37

It’s easy to pick up: EPRON worked in the 1930s, and now only the will of the authorities and the skill of submariners.
But if the qualification is completely lost - they will tow over the bottom for several km and drown at a depth of 1 km (there, I heard near by the sharp depth begins).
Well, just in case for a fire or boarding case: the undermining of secret equipment should be laid down immediately and initially when installing the equipment. Remember, on the plane - the “Explosion” button (which Belenko did not press in Japan).
Michael alfa

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2 May 2017 15: 00

To all comers: we will help to quickly and inexpensively raise the ship. If Russia refuses to raise it, then anyone has the right to do it, according to the law of the sea.
1. venik
  
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  2 May 2017 15: 20
  
  Quote: Michael Alfa
  To all comers: we will help to quickly and inexpensively raise the ship. If Russia refuses to raise it, then anyone has the right to do it, according to the law of the sea.
  
  ======
  Indiscreet question: But what will actually be raised “quickly and cheaply” if Russia refuses? The fact that "stood by him" ?? (Quote from Mister22408)
  1. Michael alfa
    
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    6 May 2017 01: 04
    
    Raise is not a problem with our technology. Our new technologies to ensure the survivability of the ship, the submarine would not be allowed to drown the "Liman" too ... However, the commanders of specialists in Russia thought better of it and realized that it was worthless and sinful to throw their property around! After all, someday there will be those who want to pay for services to people like us, and get what Neptune will give (and to whom? - Maybe no one will know) under applicable international law, i.e. quite legal.
2. Mister22408
  
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  3 May 2017 10: 42
  
  Yeah, in the territorial waters of Turkey ...
  1. Michael alfa
    
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    6 May 2017 01: 09
    
    Maybe the Turks would like to resell to someone else or give the northern neighbor on the peninsula ... In any case - you can not scatter their property, especially "antiques."
siemens7774

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2 May 2017 15: 17

Quote: Orionvit
Quote: siemens7774
Well, hare stupid. They already said that all the cunning special equipment was removed in advance, before flooding, and taken to the base.

Who took it out? The conversation was that only the crew removed, and then different ships.

http://forums.airbase.ru/2017/05/t98321_22--katas
trofa-rzk-liman.7441.html - you can read from the pros what was and how. Only be more careful when corresponding, the pros are active there, and not couches with FAC

The experimental vessel "Seliger", with the ability to work at depth, entered the area of ​​the death of "Liman"

The experimental vessel "Seliger", with the ability to work at depth, entered the area of the death of "Liman"