Belarusian Civil War - Grodno operation 1920

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After the unsuccessful for the Red Army, the Warsaw operation of the army of the Western Front by the end of August 1920 retired to the line Lipsk, Kuznitsa, Krynka, Pruzhany and Vladimir-Volynsky.

The 3 Army remained on the right flank of the front, west of Grodno. The 15 Army, being, after the internment of units of the 4 Army in East Prussia, on the right flank of the front, was transferred to the front of Krynka, r. Svisloch - to the left of the 3-th army. To the right of the Prussian border and through Suwalki to Lipsk was the Lithuanian army.



In previous battles and during withdrawal, Soviet troops suffered significant losses and were unable to take action without replenishment and restoration of material support. The Polish armies participating in the Warsaw battle, moving north, stretched along the Prussian border and could not continue their further offensive without regrouping.

These circumstances caused an almost one-month lull on the right flank of the Western Front. A break in the fighting was used by the 3 Army to restore the combat capability of its units. Divisions, numbering only about one and a half thousand bayonets each, were brought up to more than four thousand bayonets. The command of the four divisions that had been in the army managed to withdraw half of its forces to the reserve. Regular tactical exercises were organized in reserve divisions, and even shooting was conducted.

The supply of ammunition left much to be desired, but still there were no problems with rifle cartridges.

The Allied Lithuanian Command sought to force the Soviet units to leave the territory recognized by Lithuania along the Sidr line (30 km west of Grodno) and further along the Neman. The question of the operational interaction of the armies was not settled.

The ratio of the forces of the Soviet 3 Army and the units of the Polish 2 acting against it illustrated that the number of bayonets was about the same (21081 for the Reds and 21283 for the Poles); in the number of machine guns and guns - in one and a half (respectively 3993 to 1626 and 557 to 363).

And on the Polish side, the 3 division of legionaries (7260 bayonets, 208 machine guns, 35 guns), which operated at the beginning of the operation with its left flank against the Soviet 5 rifle division, was not taken into account. In addition, the 2 Army had 2 Division Legionnaires in reserve in Bialystok, with 7038 bayonets, 171 machine guns and 23 guns.

Warsaw victory inspired the Polish troops.

The area of ​​operation was a lowland covered with forests and marshes, and was difficult for maneuvering large military masses. Within the 8 - 10 radius of km from Grodno, the forts that were destroyed during World War I were scattered with a preserved system of artificial obstacles (mostly wire barriers). By the beginning of the operation, the forts were adapted to defense and represented serious defensive lines.

The Grodno bridgehead could serve as a starting position for the offensive, but in combination with the belt of the Grodno forts and the r. Neman, was an excellent area for defense. But he could be bypassed from the north.

After the defeat of the Red Army near Warsaw, Poland, on the eve of the conclusion of a peace treaty, decided to seize as much territory as possible. The Polish 2 Army, with the assistance of the 4 Army operating to the south, was to defeat the Soviet troops, concentrated in the triangle Grodno-Volkovysk-Lida. For this purpose, it was planned to bypass this area in Lithuanian territory and break through in the m. Mosty. The suddenness of the strike was achieved by the fact that it was applied around the territory of Lithuania. The success of the Polish strike group was based on mastering the Neman crossings.

On September 20, the shock group of the 2 Army went over to the offensive - it had to throw away the opposing Soviet units beyond the Neman and seize river ferries. In the evening, the group pushed the Soviet 6 Infantry Division into the fort zone, going along the line Ballya Solo, Labno Ogorodniki, Tomashi, Kulivetsy.

In the evening, the 6 Brigade of the 166 Rifle Division was moved to the left flank of the 56 Division, and on September 21 the 56 Division received the task of restoring the position and occupying New. Yard, Forge. The 16 Division was pushed aside by M. Berestovits.

On the Lithuanian front of September 23, several squadrons of the Polish 4 Cavalry Brigade captured a bridge over the Neman near Druskieniki, and by the 20 watch the 1 division of the legionnaires, easily rejected the Lithuanians, captured this little town. The Lithuanian army began to withdraw to the line Merech, Martsykantsev, Dubichi. Thus, the right flank of the 3 Army was threatened by the enemy’s flank group.

By the evening of September 21, the flank group had reached the Marcikans area (1-division of legionnaires), Porechye (1-I Lithuanian-Belarusian division and 2-I cavalry brigade).

The command of the 3 Army learned about the crossing of the Poles through the Neman in Druskiniki by the 23 of September in 22 hours of 45 minutes. To parry the enemy's strike from the front north of the Forge, the 166 brigade of the 56 division was withdrawn and sent to occupy the forts north of Grodno - along the line of Cheschevlyany, Grandichi.

By the evening of September 24, the right flank of the army was held at the Grodno forts. The center (56-division) was pushed aside to the forts, and then redeployed to the area north of Grodno, and the left flank (5-division) retired to the front of Senklichi, Kuntsevschina.

The calculation of the Polish command on the rapid mastery of the river. Neman was unsuccessful. Convinced of the resilience of the Soviet units on the outskirts of Grodno, the Polish command of 24 September gives the order to suspend the offensive of its flank group. To assist the group are allocated infantry and cavalry brigades with the task of advancing in a southerly direction.

The Lithuanian army, without providing resistance to the Poles, continues to withdraw to the northeast.

On the 15 Army Section, September 20 began fighting with the 3 Division of Legionnaires and the left flank of the 4 Army. By September 24, the left flank of the 15 Army and units of the 16 Army were pushed as far as Volkovysk, and the front stabilized along the line of M. Berestovits, Kuzmichi, and Volkovysk.

On September 25, the right flank of the 15 Army begins to withdraw beyond the r. Neman and Ros.

Thus, the first period of the operation was marked by the struggle for the Grodno bridgehead. To keep a bridgehead, “by all means”, “to restore the situation” - this is the leitmotif that guided the command of the 3 Army, directing the 56 Division to the west bank of the r. Neman.

Speaking about the danger on the right, it should be noted that the Soviet command took into account the possibility of bypassing the army in Lithuanian territory. But it did not react to this danger by the corresponding grouping of its reserves. So, 21-division was located in three transitions from the front of the army, and 56-I was drawn into the struggle for the "restoration of the situation" on the Grodno bridgehead. The headquarters of the 3 Army regarded the movement of Polish units to the north as actions against the Lithuanians, forgetting that the failure on the Lithuanian front exposes the flank of the army.

The crossing of the enemy through the Neman at Druskiniki was a surprise for the command of the army, and it was in a difficult situation: the 21-division was far away, and the 56-I was dragged into the battle south-west of Grodno. And the 56-division is pulled out of the battle in parts and moves closer to the front of the 21.

At the same time, the hopes of the Polish command for the rapid mastery of the Grodno bridgehead and the crossings over the Neman were not crowned with success. The resilience of the Soviet units on the approaches to Grodno shook his confidence, and it stops the advance of the flank group and crushes it.

The command of the Western Front, having received information about the appearance of the enemy on the flank of the 3 Army, September 24 set the army the task: "smash the enemy in the Druskiniki area, Martikanians and throw him behind the Neman." For this, the 3 Army was assigned to the 2 Division of the 15 Army, located in the Shchuchin area.

On September 25, the tasks for the shock divisions were refined: for the 21, to go to the area of ​​Morgevichi, Shklyary, Males, and the 2, to strike in the direction of the metro station Druskeniki and capture the area of ​​Likhachi, Porechye, Art. Druskiniki, 56-th - by the same time to seize the front of the Sables, Verkhopole, Gozha, and 6-th and 5-th - to defend the line r. Neman.

But the order was given without regard to whether the previous one was completed, and the right-flank divisions (21-I and 2-I) acted with great delay. Only the 56 Division was able to concentrate in a timely manner north of Grodno. In the evening of September 25, she launched an offensive, but could not develop it.

The enemy flanking group was inactive at that time, and only two brigades launched an offensive to the south. Only September 25th, when aviation reported the withdrawal of the 15th army, the Polish command ordered the group to continue the offensive.

All three commanders of the 3 Army's strike group, due to the appearance of enemy cavalry in the Radun area, received orders to stop the offensive and then retreat.

Taking into account the stability of the front on the Neman, and more than double the superiority in forces at this moment, it is obvious that the outcome of the battle would be favorable for the Reds. But the command of the army, not having even an approximate data on the composition and strength of the enemy’s flank group, could not come to these conclusions.

In the evening, like a bolt from the blue, a report was received about a collision in the area of ​​Ozhelyshki of the Special Brigade of the 15 Army with the enemy's cavalry — units of the 4 Cavalry Brigade. The army command finds out that infantry is moving behind cavalry. This was reported to the front headquarters, and in 20 hours 45 minutes 25 September was followed by the order of the front command to withdraw.

The 3 Army was tasked to concentrate in the area of ​​ирirmuna, Myto, Lupenica. 15-I army was assigned to the front Goldov, Eagle and then along the river. Schara.

The departure began on the night of September 26.

21-division by the evening of September 26 went into the area Vasilishki, 2-division, not having time to go to a given area before the enemy, retreated under his pressure. The 5 Division began withdrawing its units from the p. The Neman is not connected with the actions of the 56 division, but to prevent the withdrawal of the 6 and 56 divisions.

The Poles at this time did not yawn.
At Komatov on boats and pontoons 4-th Podhalyansky regiment began to cross and move north - on Obukhov - Zidomlya. As a result, the column of the 6 division held at Obukhov in the morning along the highway was cut in half. The 16 brigade was able to break through with energetic but isolated actions of the regiment, but the 48 th regiment was particularly hard hit (including the one who lost the regimental regimental prisoner).

The 168 Brigade and the Cavalry Regiment of the 56 Division approached the area of ​​Zhidoml. Having found the enemy, the brigade turned around and, together with the cavalry commander, rushed at the enemy, destroying two Polish battalions. In this battle, the commander of the Podhalyansky regiment was killed, 2 guns, 6 machine guns were captured, officer 2 and 150 soldiers were captured, many Red Army prisoners were released and guns of the Bashkir artillery brigade were repulsed.

15-I army at this time retreated to the river. Goldov, Orla, p. Schara.

On September 27, the enemy captured the area of ​​ирrmuny. Attempt of the Kuban brigade to reject the Poles for r. Dzitva, success is not maimed.

The retreating units of the 2, 56 and 5 divisions were fighting backward on this day. The 56 Division was particularly hard hit. In a battle with her, the Poles lost 130 dead, 230 wounded, 410 prisoners and several machine guns. The Red 166 Brigade lost about 400 people killed and wounded.

The Soviet divisions made their way one by one, acting at their own peril and risk. But by the end of the operation, the Polish 2 Army was also scattered to a depth of 80 km.

The choice of the direction of the main strike on the Lithuanian territory bypassing the red group in the absence of interaction between it and the Lithuanian armies was successful. The suddenness of the blow is one of the positive aspects of this plan. But the group of forces did not fit the plan of the operation. The flank group was weak in composition. The success of the group advancing from the front was based on the capture of the Neman crossings.

Without understanding the meaning of the Grodno bridgehead, the command of the Soviet 3 Army used it incorrectly. Instead of letting the enemy hurt his forehead on these lines, it spends strength to keep the bridgehead for the sake of the bridgehead. Fearing for their right flank, the army command did not provide it with the appropriate grouping of reserves. The appearance of the Polish cavalry in the Radun area broke the will of the army command - as a result, it presented to the front command information about the unreasonableness of continuing the attack on Druskiniki and received an order to withdraw.

The initiative turned out to be in Polish hands - and this despite the fact that the Soviet command was given the opportunity to beat the enemy’s flank group on those lines that he would have liked.

However, during the operation, the Polish command, despite the presence of powerful radio communications and active aviation, did not have sufficient information about the actions of its divisions. It did not cope with the control of the flank group, nor with forcing the r. Neman.

During the operation, the Soviet 3-I army came out from under the blow.
The real threat to the right flank of the 15 Army and the imaginary 3 Army forced the Soviet command to move farther than those lines that were the limits of the withdrawal. And by the time peace was concluded, the Poles had achieved their main goal — the seizure of a large territory of Belarus, although there were chances for a favorable outcome for the Soviet troops.


1. The course of the Grodno operation from 20 to 25 September 1920

Belarusian Civil War - Grodno operation 1920

2. Polish volunteers in Grodno.
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  1. +7
    3 May 2017 06: 51
    The title, "Civil War ..", is not very clear. A full-fledged war with Poland, which was at that time a different state. I noticed one more "interesting" moment. In the text of the article, it is written, "Red troops", then, "Soviet troops." In general, such difficulties are noted in the name of the Red Army for many modern authors. One gets the impression that the person who writes is not very positive about “advice” and therefore does not know how to “call” them. Although, in general, the facts are interesting, I generally read about the fact that the Lithuanians were allies.
    1. +5
      3 May 2017 07: 37
      Quote: avva2012
      . In the text of the article, it is written, "Red troops", then, "Soviet troops." In general, such difficulties are noted in the name of the Red Army for many modern authors. One gets the impression that the person who writes is not very positive about “advice” and therefore does not know how to “call” them.

      You are right ... The author positions himself as a kind of military-strategic "guru" of a cosmopolitan sense ...
      The article completely bypassed the issues of personalities ... If, of course, the Author did not come down to listing the names of the command of the division link, then the army and front should be made public, as well as the decisions they make ...
      1. +2
        3 May 2017 07: 49
        I propose, interested in questions of the Soviet-Polish war, the book of Mikhail Meltiukhov ....
      2. +4
        3 May 2017 07: 56
        Quote: moskowit The author positions himself as a kind of military-strategic "guru" of a cosmopolitan sense ...

        In my opinion, a word is not just a collection of letters collected in a certain order, it is an image that is implied by it and arising in the reader’s head. Images of words, "red", "white", are negative for some or for others reading them, depending on their political views. If the article does not carry an agitation focus, but merely serves as a source of information about historical events, then it is more correct to use official words, such as “Soviet troops,” because the power in R.S.F.S.R. was “Soviet” or the troops of the Red Army, if the writer is allergic to the image of the word "Soviet".
      3. +18
        3 May 2017 08: 17
        By the way, how do you know who the author is positioning himself with?
        The author is you?
        Admit it
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  2. +18
    3 May 2017 07: 01
    Quote: avva2012
    One gets the impression that the person who writes is not very positive about “advice” and therefore does not know how to “call” them. Although, in general, the facts are interesting, I generally read about the fact that the Lithuanians were allies.

    Well, you are at the conclusions.
    The title, "Civil War ..", is not very clear. A full-fledged war with Poland, which was at that time a different state

    Indiscreet question: But what, the Soviet-Polish war is no longer included in the structure of the Civil War in Russia?
    1. +5
      3 May 2017 07: 39
      Thanks for the question. Not a historian, but a civil war takes place between the citizens of one state, isn't it? What did the citizens of the Rzeczpospolita have to do with the citizens of the RSFSR, Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belarus, as well as Lithuania?
      Well, you are at the conclusions. IMHO, I have the right. If, you see another reason in floating terms, tell me, interesting. Personally, I can’t get out of the way of the Soviet articles, where Russian was printed in white, “Soviet troops”, “Red Army”, “White Guard”, “Panski Poland’s troops” or “White Poles”. It was clear and understandable, this term refers to ours. and this is not ours. Now, articles create cognitive dissonance, here are red, and here are Soviet, and even the “Russian army” is there.
      1. +19
        3 May 2017 07: 57
        Thanks for the answer
        No, often external forces take part in civil wars, and not just their citizens. And given that the Soviet-Polish war is part of the Civil War in Russia - even legally the title of the article is absolutely justified.
        Terminology is a relative thing. You understand that the Reds are Soviet troops. And polish it means polish. Old ideological terminology is not the ultimate truth. "Panski Poland" - some pans or something there fought? Or "white finns" - in what place are they white?
        At that time, it was understandable why it was so called - for ideological purposes within the framework of the class struggle. And now ?
        And on the contrary, the concept of the “Russian” army is the legal name of the successor of the All-Union Union of Liberation Forces in Crimea. There is nothing to be done.
        During the Civil War in Russia, many forces were mixed, there was a war of all against all. And what we call Finns for example white is conditional, simply because they were in an anti-Soviet camp.
        About the Soviet Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania, I am silent - who and when and in what parts became Soviet, you yourself know
        1. +2
          3 May 2017 08: 23
          And what we call Finns for example white is conditional, simply because they were in an anti-Soviet camp.

          With the "White Poles", I absolutely agree with you. The regime in Poland formed immediately "bourgeois" and the Poles did not have any civil war. Therefore, the term is absolutely ideological. With the Finns, not much is wrong. Nevertheless, in the former principality of Finland, its own civil war took place where the “whites” won. Therefore, sources from our state at that time, and even during the “Winter War”, Finns were rightly divided into “white” and “red”. As it turned out in vain, but that's another conversation.
          Terminology is a relative thing

          About images, I wrote a little higher. In my opinion, modern confusion in terms creates confusion in the minds of readers. For me, yes, “red” and “Soviet” are the same thing. But in my head this image took shape when the books of Arkady Gaidar and Nikolai Ostrovsky were read including. Someone has the image of a “white officer” formed from the stories of his ancestors or under the influence of other reasons, but also with a positive meaning. And now, most of those who deliberately did not find the USSR, most likely, do not have a clear understanding of what is under the dilemma: "white-red." Some kind of tolerance is obtained, not an example laughing
          1. +19
            3 May 2017 08: 30
            But by 1920, about which the article in the article of the Red Finns was no longer
            And in 1939-40. the terminology of “white finns” was also used, although for a long time there were simply Finns.
            The ideology of that era
            Well, now why?
            Here I am about what
            1. +3
              3 May 2017 08: 49
              Quote: soldier The ideology of that era
              Well, now why?

              And ideology does not happen that era or this. Outwardly, the lack of ideology only speaks of the fact that it exists, but another, different from the “red" one.
              1. +19
                3 May 2017 09: 17
                About ideological terms
                Well, we do not use the terminology of those years in relation to other processes.
                Although - if you think that only civilians participate in civil wars, what else can I say?
                I have no more questions
                1. +3
                  3 May 2017 10: 12
                  About ideological terms

                  Yes, it is about what modern ideologists are trying to pour into the minds of the citizens of our country. There were the February bourgeois revolution and the Great Socialist. Chick and became the "100 anniversary of the Great Russian Revolution." Nothing has changed in terms request what, Yes? There was Wrangel and the last stronghold of the White Guard movement, Chick and became the "Russian army", as you say, "the legal name of the successor of the All-Union Union of Socialist Republic of Ukraine in Crimea . And so, quiet glanders in everything. We privatize the factories built in the USSR under the leadership of the Bolsheviks, and pour mud over the Bolsheviks themselves. And rightly so, on the part of those who privatized. Well, why do those who do not become new gentlemen take part in the dousing, as they were with naked ...., they stayed, this is the question! good
                  In a civil war, of course, sometimes citizens of other states (for example, volunteers in Spain) participate, but citizens, and not states, as subjects of international law. IMHOnaturally. "The chronological framework of this historical event is still controversial. Officially, the beginning of the war is considered to be the battles in Petrograd that marked the beginning of the October Revolution, that is, October 1917. There are also versions relating the beginning of the war to the beginning of the February Revolution of 1917 or to May 1918 "There is also no unanimous opinion regarding the end of the war: some scientists (and most of them) consider the capture of Vladivostok, that is October 1922, to be the end of the war, but there are also those who claim that the war ended in November 1920 or in 1923."
                  1. +17
                    3 May 2017 10: 49
                    Not only volunteers participate in civil wars, but also foreign contingents and even armies of foreign states. History knows a lot of examples.
                    The Russian army is not a cheek and has become. This is the official name of the white troops in the Crimea, which appeared at that time. Just like the Red Army.
                    And the Soviet-Polish war is part of the Civil War in Russia. Chronologically and territorially.
                    This is the official opinion of historical science.
                    So there’s nothing to talk about.
                    1. 0
                      3 May 2017 11: 52
                      This is the official opinion of historical science. So there’s nothing to talk about.

                      I agree with you, although the opinion of historical science is not always unambiguous. In my opinion, again, they simply did not begin to isolate the Soviet-Polish war against the background of the hostilities with Wrangel. The time period is one, well, do not high with them, included. And given that the fighting continued then in the Far East, the more they did not bother.
                      1. +16
                        3 May 2017 12: 02
                        How is everything simple
                        Not only the general period
                        The fact that the fighting took place on the territory of the Russian empire and the republic, that the former subjects of the Russian empire (the same Poles) and the Russian republic participated in them, that the Poles fought in different periods with both white and red — as I understand it, nothing mean request
                    2. +5
                      3 May 2017 21: 33
                      Quote: soldier
                      And the Soviet-Polish war is part of the Civil War in Russia. Chronologically and territorially.


                      The period of the history of the struggle of the Soviet state and its Armed forces for the defense of the conquests of the Great October Socialist Revolution against the forces of internal and external counter-revolution, in Soviet historical science was officially called the term "Civil war and military intervention in the USSR"

                      The Soviet-Polish war of 1920 -“... this is a new attempt on the part of the Entente imperialists to strangle Soviet Russia” (V.I. Lenin, T.40, S.330)
                  2. +1
                    4 May 2017 00: 57
                    Quote: avva2012
                    In a civil war, of course, sometimes citizens of other states (for example, volunteers in Spain) participate, but citizens, and not states, as subjects of international law. IMHO, of course.

                    When a civil war involves not “individual citizens of other states,” but “states as subjects of international law.” , it is called - intervention . (Well ... if, with modern tolerance, especially, you don’t bother, but call a spade a spade).
      2. +7
        3 May 2017 11: 29
        Quote: avva2012
        . Not a historian, but a civil war takes place between the citizens of one state, isn't it? What relation did the citizens of the Rzeczpospolita have to the citizens of the RSFSR, Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belarus, as well as how it turns out Lithuania?

        The most direct: they were the same former citizens of the Russian state, as well as citizens of the RSFSR, Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belarus. In addition to SU and SB, in one form or another, there were both the UPR and the BPR.
        There was a war between the former parts of Russia abroad.
        1. +3
          3 May 2017 12: 25
          Soviet-Finnish war, too, civil? smile
          1. +3
            3 May 2017 12: 36
            Quote: avva2012
            Soviet-Finnish war, too, civil? smile

            Which one? smile
            1. +2
              3 May 2017 13: 33
              Who cares? The inhabitants of the empire are the same, only a little older than steel. smile
              1. 0
                4 May 2017 05: 48
                Quote: avva2012
                The inhabitants of the empire are the same, only a little older


                Oh how! We are still the same inhabitants of the Empire, only older ....
                Interesting opinion ... lol
                1. 0
                  4 May 2017 10: 17
                  Oh how! We are still the same inhabitants of the Empire, only older ....
                  Interesting opinion ... lol

                  There is ... laughing
  3. +5
    3 May 2017 08: 03
    My subordination included the Grodno plant of car radios. Often had to be in this area. I can say that when I talked with the locals, they remember this war. It is a pity that our relationship went through such trials. Once again I repeat: "We have nothing to share." I have the honor.
  4. +3
    3 May 2017 08: 13
    The defensive line of the Western Front on the Neman was held by: 3rd Army commander Vladimir Lazarevich, lieutenant colonel of the tsarist army, voluntarily joined the Red Army in 1918, 15th army commander Augustus Cork lieutenant colonel of the tsarist army, voluntarily joined the Red Army in 1918, 16th army commander Nikolay Sollogub, lieutenant colonel of the tsarist army, voluntarily joined the Red Army in 1918, 4th army commander Alexander Shuvaev, lieutenant colonel of the tsarist army, voluntarily joined the Red Army in 1918 .. And it began with what. On September 12, Tukhachevsky ordered the attack on Wlodawa and Brest south the flank of the Western Front, including the 4th assembled from the remnants of the Mozyr group and the 12th army. However, and this order was intercepted and decrypted by Polish radio intelligence. On the same day, with a sudden blow, the Poles broke through the defenses of the 12th Army and took Kovel. This endangered the entire southern grouping of the Western Front. The 4th and 12th armies hurriedly began their retreat east. The right-flank units of the 14th Army were forced to leave behind them ... And what the author described further ... in the article .. Every sixth Soviet prisoner of war died in Polish camps. As for Polish prisoners of war, And they were captured about 40, 000 34 Polish prisoners of war returned to their homeland, about 839 thousand more expressed their desire to stay in the RSFSR. Thus, the total decrease amounted to only about 3-3 thousand prisoners of war, of which about 4 thousand were recorded according to documents as dead in captivity.
    1. +2
      3 May 2017 08: 39
      However, this order was intercepted and decrypted by Polish radio intelligence.

      I am tormented by vague doubts about enemy agents in parts of the Red Army. The question arises: “were there any purges,” then, in the Red Army?
      1. +2
        3 May 2017 09: 25
        Regarding the purges .. subsequently .. in 1938 Lazarevich, Cork, Shuvaev were arrested in the Tukhachevsky case .. the first two were shot .. Shuvaev was released in 1943 .. died a month after being released .. But according to the article .. of this type “faceless "the articles were published in specialized magazines about the WWII .. Now the same" impersonality ", but already a civil war, the author is apparently ashamed to write that the tsarist officers commanded the red armies, and moreover, they joined this army voluntarily ...
        1. +2
          3 May 2017 11: 00
          In terms of “purges,” I did not specify that I didn’t mean 1937-38, which are now strongly associated with “repressions” in the army. There is one more ideological sabotage launched in 2000 by the book of the Ukrainian historian Yaroslav Tinchenko, “Calvary of Russian Officers”, which is much more subtle in a sense. This is a Case / Operation Spring. Everything is presented as, "they trusted the Bolsheviks, and then received a bullet in the back of the head instead of gratitude." Some scholars go even further, "At the present stage, the official number of repressed includes about 10 thousand people. In other words, by the beginning of the 30's, Stalin destroyed and sent to camp almost all capable officers of the former Imperial Army, virtually depriving the command of the Red Army and military universities, and the Academy of the General Staff of succession. Thus, it is largely in the repressions of the 1930-1931 years that are the reasons for the terrible defeats of the Red Army in the 1941 and 1942 years, huge territorial and human losses and a long four years of war. " Igor Khodakov, candidate of historical sciences. Is it all so clear? Is it known where the “Polish army" could decipher the reports from? It seems to have sorted out the repressions of 37-38, there are documents that not everything was so catastrophic. Now 30-31. Something I suspiciously familiar with the old song in a new way.
          1. +2
            3 May 2017 12: 36
            Ahhh ... Operation "Spring" ... "Spring" somehow did not affect these people .. I refer to the previous article about the 2nd Horse .. talking about the chiefs of staff, this army .. indicated that almost all went through the above the case ... I must admit that there is little literature on this issue, if there is any mention, it’s rather meager .. and there are two points of view, some researchers argue that the case was fabricated by the GPU, others question this version .. In my opinion, it’s just so this operation would not have been carried out .. It couldn’t be that people would have been sitting in the GPU, scratching their heads and arguing: "thinking about disclosure with the counter-revolution is bad ... Oh! And let's shoot the old officer" .. Apparently conducting such a large-scale operation it’s hard to say on what was based on information or disinformation .. But it seems to me that all political affairs of 1930-31. links of one chain .. the cause of the industrial party, the business of the military .. someone successfully filed a disu ... or Old ...
            1. +1
              3 May 2017 13: 40
              Here, here, not everything is so simple. But the ideological opponent looks at the root, "sat and scratched." There are no other options.
            2. +2
              3 May 2017 14: 22
              Quote: parusnik
              all political affairs 1930-31 links of one chain .. the cause of the industrial party, the cause of the military .. someone successfully filed a disu ... or Old ...

              I think that for VO this topic should be of no small interest, especially the "Spring operation", but it has not yet been disclosed, to find out the reasons for this. I don’t think to say that these are “links of one chain”. I think that there should be many chains here. The fact that the composition of the prom. the party even included ak. N.I. Vavilov. which turned out only in the 40th year, for which he actually was planted. After all, Stalin ensured that not a single person in the case of the prom party was shot and more often released before the deadline, more indicates that there was a fierce struggle within the party itself, the essence of the bark is even now poorly lit, but I would like to know more about this one.
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                3 May 2017 14: 57
                I don’t think to say that these are “links of one chain”.
                .. Why, then, collectivization is being carried out in the country, the plans of the first five-year plan are being implemented .. and, on the other hand, sanctions, military threats from the Western world .. Without specialists, it’s difficult to build, fight .. it is necessary to eliminate mass terror in the country? By this time there is nobody .. and a brilliant decision to eliminate by the hands of the Bolsheviks themselves .. and here intelligence begins to work .. and revenge needs to be taken for the “Trust” and others .. But this is like a version ..
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                  3 May 2017 15: 52
                  An interesting version, but it has a lot of dark spots. For that, if we take as a basis that it was a real counter-revolutionary underground, then it becomes quite simple and logical. Yes, there were victims of slander, for example, someone thus cleared a career path for themselves, but there were real enemies of the new government. Again, not the position I wanted, went to. I thought, let’s say, how it will be during the French Revolution. There will be a redistribution of property and again, slaves, evenings and a crunch of French rolls ... But no. The Communists started something else. It's a shame, right? I don’t know, I am in favor of not looking for a black cat in a dark room, ...
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                  3 May 2017 16: 02
                  Quote: parusnik
                  collectivization is being carried out in the country, plans for the first five-year plan are being implemented

                  Globally - yes, the goal (chain) is one. But this goal (chain) just breaks up into separate chains, the operation "Spring", the business of the industrial party. Sanctions? So, for the first time, the United States introduced sanctions against our country back in 1911, and the period of the final phase of preparation for war against our country, which was later called the World War. Five-year plans and collectivization? So, without collectivization, it is not realistic to implement the plans of the five-year plan (industrialization), they do not like to talk about it. A similar "collectivization" (farm unification) in the USA was also carried out in the early 30s, the result - ten million losses in the US population, without any camps and prisons, as in our country already in the 90s, "bloodless". Many now really like to destroy the population with modern (modern) methods, all other methods are declared "cruel." "War" (on the "battlefield"), from the roots of "howl" and "scold" (scolding) in the media has been going on for more than a century - one of the components of the global strategy that has already been seen as a millennium-long war against either the country or whether people. So the operations "Trust", "Prom Party", "Spring" are small chains in a common goal (a single chain), I’m talking about this.
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                    3 May 2017 16: 25
                    Et, you swung! Globally! I, so I feel, smelled a worldwide conspiracy.
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                      3 May 2017 16: 52
                      And why not ... here this conspiracy for the USSR ended in war in 1941. so they fought with everyone .. All went with Hitler .. All Europe ... Czechs forged weapons, Slovaks took Rostov-on-Don, the French again to Borodino field peppered .. less than in 1812, but nonetheless ..
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                        3 May 2017 17: 47
                        Do you really represent in one row the conspirators of the British, French, Germans, Americans and the rest of the shelupon in the form of Poles with Romanians? What ended with the WWII, is this also a conspiracy? And then the conspirators knew that there would be a revolution in Russia, and then that Stalin would come to power and save practically the United States from the great depression, and indeed all of Europe, buying plants ???? And after all this, will the United States get stronger and turn Europe into its own vassals after the Second World War? Well, I don’t know, this is definitely a megamind! I do not deny that there were any conspiracies, but on such a scale?
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                      3 May 2017 16: 59
                      Stalin really didn’t fight with some mongrel like Trotsky, Hitler fought for survival just with those who stand behind them, and these are just trans-national companies that are used to organizing not only world wars. I just don’t understand whether it is appropriate to use the term “conspiracy” in this case, I think that this is not some kind of conspiracy, but their daily hard work for the benefit of their companies (gangs) or their family clans. For the great success of their "business", they often introduce all kinds of parasite terms, for example, such as - "world conspiracy." Interesting, and for what purpose do you use it?
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                        3 May 2017 17: 36
                        With the most vile! laughing They, this, who? Aliens? All these multinational companies are made up of people. And any human wisdom is limited by the same stupidity (diamat practically). And plus a certain number of mortal vices. Including laziness and envy. In most cases, conspiracies are woven, woven, and then, once and three times, they will arrange Belovezhskaya Pushcha. And, those who weaved in a pre-infarction state, "but what about, and what, they have a nuclear button there, we wanted it differently." belay
                        And the rod to us all sorts of adolphs and bonapartes according to the elementary laws of physics and biology. There are many of them, but there is enough space here. Plant a couple of bacteria in a Petri dish with the edge and see what happens if their growth is not limited. IMHO. Although you can count me .....
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      3 May 2017 19: 06
      Quote: parusnik
      of which about 2 thousand are documented as dead in captivity.

      Every 20th. More humane than the Poles. What did they do to our prisoners? Something excuses for poor nutrition do not channel, I apologize for the expression. In addition, the Entente not only pumped them, but also pumped them all over the consumer line .... surely including their troops, temporarily becoming "Polish", or whatever they have, legions of volunteers?
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        3 May 2017 22: 02
        [B]
        Every 20th [
        /bapter..And what did you want, bloody Bolsheviks, animals .. Poles, these are liberals ... they just didn’t feed .. There is a report, the representative of the Swedish seems to be the Red Cross, made ... according to the description ... Polish forerunner camps Auschwitz ...
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    3 May 2017 08: 33
    Command and control, Achilles' heel, Red Army.
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      3 May 2017 19: 14
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Command and control, Achilles' heel, Red Army.

      And in 41-42 the same thing. Especially the beginning of the war, there was almost no communication in the border strip, mainly control went through the cable, and the Fritz saboteurs everywhere destroyed wire telegraph communication. Hence, such chaos in the early days ..... Pavlov was shot for some reason ...
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    3 May 2017 09: 45
    Belarusian Civil War - Grodno operation 1920
    The article is interesting, THANKS to the author, but here is the name. Does war have the right, a priori, of three independent states to be called Civil?
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      3 May 2017 13: 18
      Quote: svp67
      Does war have the right, a priori, of three independent states to be called Civil?

      Do you really think that in the modern world are possible: "a priori three (ex) independent states (a)". How is it "a priori"(by definition)? The whole territory was just inhabited by the inhabitants of one state, once (in 1721) named by the Russian Empire, until that time (once) other names were used such as principalities, kingdoms (even Rzecz Pospalita) and etc. Someone smart from abroad determined that all these people should live in different states, therefore all these people hard addicted from the opinions of certain people (organizations) and from abroad. And where is a priori independence? In my opinion, clear dependence is clearly observed in this case, and it is tough to such an extent that people begin to fight, most often not of their own free will.
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        3 May 2017 20: 28
        Quote: venaya
        And where is a priori independence?

        A priori, due to the fact that Soviet Russia RECOGNIZED the independence of these countries and there’s no need to talk about any civil war, there’s a war for the seizure of territories.
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          3 May 2017 21: 40
          Quote: svp67
          ... Soviet Russia RECOGNIZED the independence of these countries ...

          What utter nonsense do not recognize "our" leaders, especially since who himself recognized them at that time, beside the GI, which sent the only ambassador from around the world, Ambassador von Metternich? All this together sounds so fluid that the use of the rather clear term "a priori" is clearly out of place. People whose ancestors lived in those places for many millennia are identified in one country, then in another, while not forgetting to ascribe to them a certain, most often made-up "nation". It’s obvious that here a priori lawlessness. It’s easier and more accurate to talk about war within one single kind (“nation” - the term is even more crooked). But we are talking about some kind of independence, so in Ukraine this "independence" has shown itself most vividly, much more accurately to speak simply of the form of occupation (a priori).
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            4 May 2017 03: 30
            Quote: venaya
            It’s easier and more accurate to talk about war within one single kind (“nation” - the term is even more crooked).

            Well, you said. If the question is still unclear with the Balts, then Poland has a different opinion on this, although according to Pushkin:
            What angered you? unrest in Lithuania? Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
            Maybe you're right...
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    3 May 2017 10: 44
    Interesting article. Thank. Somehow before, he paid little attention to these events.
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    3 May 2017 14: 31
    This topic has been little studied. The author highlighted interesting facts, learned about some events for the first time.
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    3 May 2017 19: 17
    Strange, for some reason Tukhachevsky has not been kicked yet? Stalinists have not woken up yet?
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    3 May 2017 19: 29
    avva2012,
    Well, you completely accepted me for Prokopenko ... lol .You venaya.. answered well .. so somehow I won’t interpret it in my own way ... Regarding the PMV .. We got what we wanted, but not quite .. We knew and guessed about the revolution in Russia, the first was and didn’t solve the problem .. wait for the second .. and to speed up .. war is necessary .. About the USA, then they didn’t think so .. I’m talking about .. not about the conspirators but about the leading powers of that time in France and England .. since the 17th century these countries have been fighting for hegemony in Europe .. but it was a duel between an elephant and a whale .. They could not overpower each other .. And later they took and joined forces ..
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      4 May 2017 02: 50
      What, you, I read your comments, state the facts, no, "the truth is somewhere nearby" laughing As for the PMV, I think RI did not need to break up and this was not the task. Foreign capital, and so practically owned the main industries. The British supported the conspiracy that led to the February revolution already in terms of competition with the French, impromptu.
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        4 May 2017 07: 29
        RI there was no need to ruin
        ... Yes ..but that’s interesting .. Antanta created Yugoslavia .. although the Croats, the Slovenes asked to recognize their independence and at the same time did not create the Central Democratic Federation from Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Austria .. And they supported the independence of states ..
        The British supported the plot that led to the February revolution
        ... And then they rushed to the outskirts of the empire in Transcaucasia, Central Asia with local nationalists to talk about secession ...
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          4 May 2017 10: 26
          Well, yes, why not make money, since the ownerless lies. smile IMHO, but from Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Austria, an interesting education could have been obtained. There are no internal national contradictions (the Czechs are still Slavs), and the industrial potential may be even more serious than in the German Empire. And here Yugoslavia, I don’t even know what to say, "riddles in the darkness ..."
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            4 May 2017 12: 06
            And here Yugoslavia, I don’t even know what to say, "riddles in the darkness ..."

            One gets the impression that for the Sarajevo shots ... Serbia was simply presented with gifts .. Of course, everything can be much simpler ... but somehow the numerous facts suggest otherwise ... and you start to think about it ... and especially since many PMV documents after still not declassified ... The same France, the same England ..
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