India can stay without its own tanks

Indian Defense Ministry proposes Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO, Defense Research and Development) to make design changes tank Arjun Mk-2, since in the basic version it is unacceptable for the army, reports "Warspot" with reference to the portal defensenews.com

At the same time, DRDO indicates that making changes required by the military department may delay large-scale production for 7 years — that is how long it will take to create a new combat vehicle up to 2 tons based on the Arjun Mk-50.

The Arjun Mk-2 tank was introduced by the DRDO organization in 2011 and is a deeply modernized version of the Arjun Mk-1 tank, which India took 37 years to develop. Despite a number of innovative solutions used in the Arjun Mk-2 tank, the Indian Defense Ministry has no plans to order the high-volume assembly of this combat vehicle.

The newest Indian tank was too massive. The weight of almost 68 t makes it one of the heaviest in the world (while the armor of the car is relatively weak) and limits the possibilities in air transportation. In addition, rivers or marshland are becoming an almost insurmountable obstacle for the Arjun Mk-2 - most of the bridges in India simply cannot withstand such a massive combat vehicle.

It was originally planned that the Ministry of Defense would purchase up to 2000 new domestically produced tanks, but the order was limited to 124 units (according to other sources, the state order amounted to 118 tanks). In addition to a large mass, the Arjun Mk-2 tank has another drawback - its price is one and a half times higher than the Russian T-90, which the Indian Defense Ministry chose as the main battle tank.
Today, the Indian army is armed with 3700 tanks, most of which are Soviet and Russian T-72 and T-90. In the next ten years, the T-72 tanks will exhaust their resources and should be written off. If the new version of the tank, which is being developed in DRDO on the basis of Arjun Mk-2, also does not satisfy the military, India will again have to look for a supplier of new combat vehicles.

We remind you that earlier on the problems of the tank Arjun Mk-2 on the "BO" has already been reported, the material can be viewed here

Comments

[Mystery12345]

"" "make changes to the design of the Arjun Mk-2 tank, since in the basic version it is unacceptable for the army," "" the garlands did not help ...

[jjj]

It seems the Indians have been invented. Have to shell out purchases

[Nasrat]

In the next ten years, T-72 tanks will exhaust their resources and should be decommissioned.


So, do not use tanks as a taxi ...

[svp67]

Quote: jjj

It seems the Indians have been invented. Have to shell out purchases

It is better to say: they were commanded, as the Germans designed ..., and the Indians led.

[siberalt]

Well and good! Zhirinovsky will be easier to wash their boots in their ocean.

[RASKAT]

Indian tank industry blown away. In other respects, it is expected. Without your own engine, your own cannon and ammunition, etc., it’s a stretch to call this tank India’s own development.
Let me remind you that India is also conducting similar manipulations in the Navy. When we build part of the ships and part of them at the shipyards, and in the future transfer of a license for a number of units and assemblies. Something tells me that here we should expect a similar result. Well, the same 5 generation aircraft.

[KOMA]

One of the biggest problems in tank building is its own production of high-quality armor. Hindus are trying to solve it with ornaments, garlands and other painted eyes and written mantras, apparently not yet decided.

[Orionvit]

It’s simply called: “You don’t like your friends, but you’re not good at musicians.” In order to make your tank or plane, you first need an engineering school, which has been developed for decades and the participation of military equipment in wars. And the Indians were not created for such things, all they do is fly badly, ride badly, and shoot poorly. At least, they themselves have complaints about weapons of their own manufacture. And this already applies to the culture of production.

[Alex_Rarog]

Yes, they do not succeed in anything) a fighter was built with a kapets for how long. I didn’t get it ... the tank, too ... well, why continue then if it doesn’t work) we would buy ours and not take a steam bath)

[ALLxANDr]

Apparently, India wants to create its own school of tank aircraft and shipbuilding. The point in this case is not better or worse ... but to force the engineers to think correctly and INDEPENDENTLY. The efforts they make lead to results that are certainly not very ... BUT deserve at least respect. By the way, there are no bad results.
Their efforts remind us of me. We are also trying to raise microelectronics in our factories. They even made the Elbrus processor ... let it be large in size, let it lag behind the leading manufacturers in nanometers - but it is ours, Russian! And already for some characteristics we make global manufacturers)
Good luck to those who are trying! :)

With respect!

[Roma 1977]

Yes. Wangyu, that India will be the first country where "Almaty" will go for export (with partial assembly on the spot and transfer of technology). And there will be “Armat” in the Indian army more than in the Russian. For money does not smell, and a yacht and a villa are needed now.

[svp67]

Quote: Mystery12345

"" "make changes to the design of the Arjun Mk-2 tank, since in the basic version it is unacceptable for the army," "" the garlands did not help ...

Just like in that old Soviet joke: We built, built, and finally built, and now Ignite !!!.
Long live the NEW BIG foreign order for UVZ

[cost]

India may be left without tanks of domestic development

Maybe if they lose the cards
But seriously, India has at least 9 more years left, so it's too early to wang, and this is a thankless task

[Pete mitchell]

With their pace of development of military equipment, this is very small. The tank was ruined, the combat plane was ruined, a helicopter ...

[soroKING]

are there tanks? ... they have a lot of elephants

[GRF]

Styrofoam could help them with weight ...

Ile the purchase of Russian armor plates)

[Lostcoast]

And why is it Indian? The German gun, the SLA of the Spanish company "ENOSA", the power unit is a German diesel MTU-838 KA 501 with a RENK gearbox. Caterpillars and driving wheels, as well as turret and gun guides - Leopard-2. By the way, all this stuff was supplied subject to only domestic use, no export

[Lostcoast]

By the way, comrades. Please note that, having experience in operating the T-72 and T-90, the Indians complain about the low passability of Arjun at 68 tons. And its harp width and the length of the supporting surface are leo2. Indirectly, they confirm my guesses about the low tactical and operational mobility of the heavily leo-2A5-A6. Compared to the T-90, of course.

[aliis-M]

Well, the Leo A5-6 is five tons lighter than the Hindu chupacabra, but it is, in fact, already overloaded, in comparison with a4. The question remains open
PS it seems that the mobility is worse in comparison with our T-90A, T-72B3, but can we talk about

low tactical and operational mobility

as such, a slightly different question

[Altona]

Quote: Mystery12345

"" "make changes to the design of the Arjun Mk-2 tank, since in the basic version it is unacceptable for the army," "" the garlands did not help ...

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Well nicho, glamornenko.

[Lostcoast]

The first assembled T-72M

[Semurg]

Quote: LostCoast

The first assembled T-72M

Maybe someone should give money to someone and push the valve with a licensed assembly in India. And often local users with a Russian flag write that Indian generals love bribes very much, and everything goes through bribery.

[AID.S]

Quote: LostCoast

The first assembled T-72M

Is the tank ready for demobilization?

[aliis-M]

what they do with military equipment, Lord. I understand the traditions there and the like, but military equipment at parades should express the power of the army, arouse a sense of pride among compatriots and show respect among others. What is here? Circus Chapito on the road ...

[sharp-lad]

For the Indians, these traditions are a confirmation of the military power that they are proud of!

[aliis-M]

understand, but with paragraph

respect for others.

may hitch

[Lenya Panteleev]

This is not for you to ride on elephants!

[_Ugene_]

It looks like the T-90 will remain the main tank of India for a long time

[aliis-M]

I read somewhere that they are very interested in the T-90MS

[Alexey RA]

Hmmm ... really, 45 years after the start of the development of their MBT, did the Indians decide to "bury the stewardess"? Well, they did not reach the half-century anniversary ...

[Lostcoast]

Arjun also waited for the Turkagagan Altai.

[Cxnumx]

everyone thinks they are cool and stamp their own tanks after Russia, Western Europe, the USA and China. but sane on TTX and, most importantly, on price results, practically no one gets it. all the time is skewed, sometimes on both sides: either expensive, or performance characteristics so-so, or both, and here the Indians just lit it up)

[cost 75]

he would have to attach a plow from the back, he would not be replaceable in agriculture at all.

[samoletil18]

Get the most expensive non-analogous arable tractor in the world

[Zaurbek]

This is a unique case when we ourselves make it more expensive and worse than buy ... It is better to make an Indian film on this subject with songs and love ...

[notingem]

Just thought about it

[notingem]

For 45 years, the poor Indian has become the chief tank designer and millionaire. There is no tank, but there are rich grandchildren. The end of the film

[k_ply]

Here is direct blood from the nose to the Indians who want to maintain parity with China and Pakistan in tanks (write off the T-72 and buy your Arjun). Since the defense doctrine, and if there is still no desire to buy T-90MS, it would be better to buy more ATGM Cornet and saturate the infantry with them. One type of tank in service is better than 2 or 3 tanks.

[Mike2388]

Okay Indians, for an attempt to respect, but played around and that's enough. Buy the T90MS now, and don’t make it up ...

[Orionvit]

Quote: k_ply

One type of tank in service is better than 2 or 3 tanks.

The Hindus do not know at all what unification in armaments is. They buy different models of tanks, planes, helicopters, small arms, and in different countries. I understand that they are buying with the condition of providing technology, but what is asked, dozens of standards are needed in the army? such an army, in the event of a conflict, dramatically loses combat effectiveness.

[aliis-M]

So I understand now they are aimed more at obtaining technology than at the equipment itself, and since good technologies are transferred only with the purchase of large batches of equipment, so they are exhausted. This explains a lot, and a diverse fleet of equipment, and a 45-year program of its own MBT, etc. In the end, they want to produce their weapons at the level of foreign counterparts. The goal is understandable, but whether they have achieved it, despite the fact that a lot of money has already been spent ...
PS China has gone the other way)

[Orionvit]

The same thing has been done in the Union since the end of the 20s. bought western tanks and technology. But after their own trial and error, Soviet engineers created their own school. and already 15 years have taken a leading position in world tank building. Which is not at all observed with the Hindus. This is the case when "not in horse feed".

[aliis-M]

Well, in the 20-30s it was easier to do for obvious reasons)

[samoletil18]

In the next ten years, T-72 tanks will exhaust their resources and should be decommissioned.

Then Pakistan and China will seize them for a soft spot.

[Evil 55]

It is difficult to create a modern tank industry without powerful national tank traditions and technologies. Although the Indians have repeatedly proved to the world that they are able to master the almost impossible.

[icy]

In the early 90's, he repaired computers made in India. Of the 300 tons, no more than 20 immediately earned. No culture of production, everything is done "on his knees." So with the tanks.

[Roma 1977]

And nobody even repaired Russian computers in the 90s. Thrown away immediately.

[aliis-M]

The reasons are known to everyone, do not remind again

[72jora72]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Well, why continue then if it doesn’t work) we would buy ours and not take a steam bath)

Well, usually this ends .....

[Berkut24]

Technology is such a thing ... she doesn’t care about politics.

[noct]

They have no war. They have time. What are the tanks that have 7 years to turn to ore? Chet suggests that there is no. Or there is no new tank for them yet. Also no. What is the essence of the article? There is a fit of your tank to your needs. 7 years in peacetime, the normal optimization period.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Roma-1977

And nobody even repaired Russian computers in the 90s. Thrown away immediately.

And here it is not necessary. Soviet electronics, meaning military and space, in the 80s, was at the world level, and completely on the domestic element base. If the development limit of electronics is for you, this is a smartphone then it’s clear, you don’t know, better keep silent.