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Lithuania requires 28 billions of dollars for Soviet occupation

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Foreign policy relations between the Baltic countries and Russia are a painful, acute topic, but nonetheless interesting. A huge number of articles, publications and notes are devoted to various events bearing the frank nature of Russophobia, including some of the moments in the Military Review. However, not much has been said about the reasons for such aggressive behavior on the part of Lithuania. We pay attention only to blatant facts, such as: attempts to bring to justice the Soviet soldiers on charges that seem absurd, as well as the intention to equalize the symbolism of the communist union with the Nazi swastika. Let's try to analyze the whole picture, starting with the events in Vilnius 1991 of the year. Today, Lithuanian politicians interpret the assault of the television tower from 12 to 13 on the first month of 1991 as the USSR’s aggression against the sovereign Republic of Lithuania, but this interpretation, to put it mildly, is not correct.


Lithuania requires 28 billions of dollars for Soviet occupation


So, let us try to understand what actually happened in Vilnius and what role Soviet soldiers played in the events of twenty years ago. A little earlier, deputies of the council of the republic issued an act on the restoration of independence, which was not approved and recognized by the USSR. The European states were not considered Lithuania to be an international subject at this time, as they preferred to observe the collapse of the USSR at some distance. The confrontation resulted in riots and the unauthorized seizure of strategic objects by representatives of the Saoudis group. It should be noted that these were far from peaceful citizens, but armed fighters who, according to the conclusions of Lithuanian medical experts, also fired at their own citizens. The goal of this bloody action was one - to achieve complete discredit of the Soviet power. The Alpha unit was immediately dispatched to the capital of the republic, whose employees are now accused by the Lithuanian authorities of a war crime. According to the commander of the unit V. Uskhopchik, for the entire time of the assault, none of his subordinates shot at peaceful demonstrators. In addition, the fact that the injuries to the victims and the dead were inflicted weaponslike a Mosin rifle, which in the equipment of the unit was not and could not be. This type of weapon was simply not used in the Soviet troops, due to the fact that it was morally obsolete.

Subsequently, representatives of the Lithuanian Soviet government will be condemned for nothing more than a “coup attempt”! What exactly in this case the judges considered to be a coup is not clear, since legally Lithuania was still a part of the USSR, and the appeal of Burokyavicius and Ermalavicius for help was only a measure to preserve the previous government. However, let us not deny that Lithuania still had the right to secession, for this, according to Soviet laws, it was necessary to hold a referendum, which no one thought to do. It also remains unclear why the Lithuanian authorities are making claims to the executors who carried out the order, and not to the persons who gave this order. If you talk sensibly, then the main suspect in the case should not be the secretaries of the Central Committee and not the heads of combat units, but the immediate head of the Union, that is, Gorbachev. Why the Lithuanians have no complaints about this man, the Nobel laureate? It is possible that the authority of Gorbachev in the international political arena and his services to the countries of Europe and the United States interfere with a claim, and perhaps the fact that there are still no documents confirming the existence of such an order as the introduction of troops in the territory of the Federal Lithuania.

In general, the methods used by Lithuanian law enforcement officers inspire some confusion. For example, not so long ago there were attempts to bring to justice for the alleged crime of Oleg Shein. This man was the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU and, in the opinion of Lithuania, was a member of fifty high-ranking Soviet officials who directed the aggression of the Union. Whatever it was, but Shein died in 2009 year, and it is hardly possible to bring him to court. However, Lithuanian law enforcement officers do not consider it necessary to pay attention to such a trifle as the death of a suspect. They insistently demand that the Russian prosecutor's office extradite them a criminal. In addition, two unidentified persons tried to infiltrate the widow of Shein in order to take her deceased husband into custody. Such behavior seems to be the height of absurdity and instills doubts about the adequacy of certain Lithuanian officials.

It seems that the events of the 1991 of the year are now being interpreted as the main official point of view of the Baltic countries, which calls the period of their stay in the Union a forced occupation. The reluctance to objectively consider what happened today has a very negative impact on foreign policy relations with Russia, which the Baltic countries directly refer to as the heiress and successor of the occupier. In order to find out the true reasons for such a “righteous anger,” one should turn to several different events in stories of this state.

In 2004, Lithuania joins the EU, as well as NATO. What advantages did this state receive from this union and what price did it pay for them? Accession to the EU allowed us to join European trade on favorable terms, to obtain certain benefits in international organizations and, most importantly, loans. However, at the insistence of Europe, the industrial complex was completely liquidated in the country, and the state-energy donor turned into a consumer and importer. NATO, by providing a rather dubious defense against “aggressive” Russia, obliges Lithuanian citizens to shed their blood in absolutely meaningless battles for them in Iraq and Afghanistan. At the moment, the achievements of this small and hostile country are few, while problems have accumulated a huge amount. The fact is that the investments, which the local elite so hoped for, did not pour into the ravaged economy. In fact, the state has lost its sovereignty and cannot implement foreign policy without regard to Brussels.

At the same time, Lithuania cannot break off relations with Russia completely, no matter how much the West wishes. Russia still remains one of the most important trading partners. In addition, the lack of energy makes Lithuania build a dialogue with us. The situation for the state’s economy is critical and many already understand this, including the ruling elite. However, instead of drastically changing the course, Lithuania intends to receive about 28 billion dollars in compensation for the Soviet occupation, which allegedly took place. Such compensation could be a means to restore the production complex, but in order to receive it, it is necessary to prove this very occupation and the damage it caused to the Lithuanian people.

Such behavior is supported, albeit unofficially, not only by other Baltic countries, but also by some European states. In the modern international community, dissatisfaction with the distribution of territories that has developed in the post-war period is becoming increasingly apparent. Germany, for obvious reasons, cannot directly make territorial claims, but it is quite possible to render assistance in denigrating the Soviet power. Other no less influential states have interests in this situation, so one should not be surprised at such persistent hostility.

Thus, Lithuania’s claims against Russia are dictated by nothing more than the lack of financial resources that it hopes to receive, as well as the support of the international community interested in revising its territorial holdings. In addition, the instability of the position of the ruling elite makes it necessary to search for an “enemy” against whom popular anger will be directed. Agree, it is much easier to blame a strong neighbor for all the troubles, than to admit one’s own inconsistency. The same position is taken by Estonia and Latvia, but in these countries the situation is much more complicated. The soft attitude of Russia towards such, I’m not afraid to say, is simply explained by the antics of a neighbor. The Kaliningrad region is supplied through Lithuanian territory, therefore the Russian government is interested in resolving all issues and establishing friendly relations.

The Russian accusations of occupation are just a pretext for receiving from the budget a regular portion of funds that Europe is no longer able to give to Europe absorbed by the crisis. However, nationalist sentiment in this country is supported by no means all. According to independent polls, less than half of the total population is aggressive towards Russia, while the rest understand the need to establish mutually beneficial relations.

Lithuania’s accession to NATO was probably the biggest miscalculation of the Russophobes, because they did not receive the promised investments, but the electorate’s discontent seriously increased. There are already tendencies to refute the official point of view about the “Soviet aggression”, and the case of Algirdas Paleckis, who was acquitted by the court of first instance, is an example of this.

Our politicians took, apparently, a wait-and-see attitude, only slightly responding to the attacks of the current government. Soon, pro-Western leaders will lose their authority, and Lithuania will most likely take a course toward rapprochement.
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  1. esaul
    esaul 18 February 2012 08: 57 New
    +82
    There is already a strong association - like the Baltic states, it’s a miracle of judo with an open mouth and an outstretched hand, and in my eyes is a “deep” thought - “Give me money, or else I’ll say such a thing! ...” All sense of dignity and national pride ... fool Per article Elena - plus laughing
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 18 February 2012 09: 07 New
      -3
      Good morning everybody!

      Esaul, And did you put a plus or minus article? I ask because it shows that you have put a minus. Maybe a glitch program? What is your browser?
      1. esaul
        esaul 18 February 2012 09: 45 New
        0
        Smirnov Vadim,
        Vadim, I repent to everyone - he clicked prematurely (but not before he read it!) - simply - "hand failure." Therefore, he added the words with a plus! I repeat once again - to Lena Gordeeva - many thanks for the article and for the conclusions! Lena, excuse me if (inadvertently!) Offended! good
        A. regarding the program (or the intervention of "otherworldly forces" in the rating system), I have a question for you, Vadim - why, in the absence of ratings on the article on concrete-bombing, the plus immediately jumped out with my minus? Program crash? And further. Vadim. - in the question you asked me through the forum, and not in the "PM". there is a “slight hint” of discrediting ... You don’t find it? I would be very grateful to you, Vadim, if the answer to this question of mine passes, the same, through the forum. Regards, Esaul.
        1. Smirnov Vadim
          Smirnov Vadim 18 February 2012 09: 49 New
          +3
          Just complaints were that they are too tight for a plus, but a minus is coming out. I wanted to clarify if the glitch of the program is to give the task to the programmer ...
          I asked here, so that anyone could have this - they could write too.
          No one was going to discredit - God forbid!

          A. regarding the program (or the intervention of "otherworldly" forces in the rating system), then I have a question for you, Vadim - why, in the absence of estimates for the article about concrete bombs, did I immediately “jump out” with a minus plus? Program crash?


          Someone put at the same time with you.
          1. esaul
            esaul 18 February 2012 09: 59 New
            -1
            Smirnov Vadim,
            Vadim, thanks, buddy! The answer is comprehensive. Regards, Esaul drinks
          2. old rocket man
            old rocket man 19 February 2012 19: 51 New
            -2
            Quote: Vadim Smirnov
            Just complaints were that they click on the plus, but it turns out minus

            I had this, but I "corrected", plus a rating
        2. domokl
          domokl 18 February 2012 10: 06 New
          +16
          I agree with Yesaul ... The article is read in one breath and there is no frenzied rage against injustice ... Such an article by my mother, which talks about the pranks of a child ... And the emphasis is correctly placed ..
          1. esaul
            esaul 18 February 2012 10: 12 New
            +3
            domokl,
            Thank you buddy! You, as always, swing your sword in the right direction! If on "you" - nothing?
            1. domokl
              domokl 18 February 2012 10: 17 New
              +5
              Absolutely normal .. a sword habit laughing The limbs are almost no standard for everyone .. here I justify the nickname ... then the legs, then the hands are shortened ... laughing
              1. Sergh
                Sergh 18 February 2012 11: 23 New
                +10
                Fools, I like reading Baltic tales lately, always with the expectation of what new joke they will come up with so that a bowl of grubs for a ha-a-lava flutter! Restless, they probably already have it in their blood, these funny guys are the Balts!
                1. esaul
                  esaul 18 February 2012 14: 55 New
                  +17
                  Guys! Here came another article confirming the wretched thinking of Latvian politicians! I spread laughing -----------
                  It seems that Japan, which recently made a fuss over the passage of a group of Russian military aircraft along its borders, set a bad example for the states adjacent to Russia. Today, the Minister of Defense of Latvia demanded explanations from the Russian military leadership that two Russian bombers were seen by Latvian observers in the border airspace.

                  Artis Pabriks, the head of the Latvian military department, was notified in advance of the exercises in the Baltic Sea, which Russia is conducting with Poland, the more ridiculous his claims now. Not otherwise than the Japanese had heard enough.

                  The Russian Ministry of Defense cannot understand. What explanations does Riga require if "the Russian airplanes did not violate a single country and did not deviate from the plan of the exercises."

                  Information was required by Latvia after two Tu-22M bombers were spotted in neutral airspace over the Baltic Sea. In this regard, two German fighter jets for Russian military vehicles were lifted from NATO airbase in Lithuania.

                  Does Russia now have to explain to everyone that Russian combat aircraft will fly where the country's military leadership determines, without the gracious permission of someone else’s command .------------- "You know, I’m there right now laughed! ... ("Mimino") laughing
                  1. recitatorus
                    recitatorus 18 February 2012 15: 24 New
                    +12
                    Reason arguments with respect to the Balts are helpless !!! Evidence and argumentation look like excuses. Even if our planes do not even fly up into the sky, they will come up with them! Does anyone in the Baltic countries really hope to get these billions? .. Of course not! !! Slops to Russia are profitable, and very profitable, the situevina with the economy there is gasping, The people wander to the West. Soon in the Baltic states, naturally, after the old people die out, there will be only Russians! ..
                    Something politicians need to score points, and so they gain. And therefore we should escalate the situation even more, to finally bring them to psychosis, to witch-hunt, let them shy away from each other.
                  2. alex popov
                    alex popov 20 February 2012 11: 20 New
                    0
                    Taki need to fly more often. Nerve cells are not restored, if they are restored, then not immediately. And all diseases from nerves.
                    And we benefit (flying hours) and they exacerbation of diseases on the nervous system.))
                    For some reason, such a comparison occurred to me - idle time. Outbred mongrels barking in the back and tail tail in case of a threat.
                2. alexng
                  alexng 18 February 2012 23: 30 New
                  +11
                  And Russia needs to request from Latvia for the Latvian shooters 56 billion wrappers and half to unfasten Lithuania. And what? All in fairness - they are to us, and we are to you. And the wolves are full and the sheep are whole. laughing
      2. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 18 February 2012 15: 32 New
        +3
        I THINKED AGAIN THE YEAR'S ESTIMATOR APPEARED, AND THEN I DIDN'T READ THE ANSWER.
    2. estonian
      estonian 18 February 2012 19: 17 New
      -3
      The only comment that I can write to this article is what you get and even look for it and get it so you don’t take it into account !!! fascists !!!
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 20 February 2012 20: 09 New
        +2
        Baltic fascists themselves punished themselves, why chop the branch on which you sit, slouching.
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 21 February 2012 13: 19 New
        +5
        Dear Estonian friend. A barking dog will never bite. Gamzatov told mine: It takes a man two years to learn to speak and 60 years to learn to keep his mouth shut. Be careful in your judgments. if independence has become tight, then at least not yapping, then we can take it back. The main thing is not to brake in the proper manner. In the world, it is no longer fashionable to call Russian fascists.
    3. rexby63
      rexby63 18 February 2012 21: 49 New
      +5
      The dog has been barking for more than 20 years, the caravan is on
    4. Krilion
      Krilion 20 February 2012 03: 38 New
      +2
      ".. Russia's accusations of occupation are just an excuse to get from its budget next portion of the money that Europe is no longer able to give to Europe absorbed by the crisis ... "

      I don’t understand this moment ... what does “the next portion” mean? .. Did the Chukhites give something from the Russian budget before? ... belay
    5. CaptainBlack
      CaptainBlack 21 February 2012 06: 49 New
      0
      With such claims jump soon! Russia has a long patience, but not infinite! For starters, you just need to tighten the valve, under any pretext, and the khan will come the next day! The joke is that nobody needs them anymore, the West will not contain them, and they will not be able to pay us for gas, because they don’t have their own money. And it never will be. Sold your territory to parasites - now have !!! Civilized Europeans ... Soon they will come to our casters to earn money ... fellow
    6. gendarm
      gendarm 21 February 2012 14: 00 New
      -1
      Moreover, the hands of Latvia and Estonia are outstretched in a Nazi salute. Where does pride come from and how many years of statehood in the Baltic countries? I do not mean the history of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, where for a long time Russian was the official language. One thing I can say, the level of culture and wealth of history is higher than, say, the same Finns, but not the economy. For a long time they still bark for bourgeois money for Russia. Although from an economic point of view - the Russians are taking money there, and not vice versa.
      1. motors
        motors 21 February 2012 14: 06 New
        0
        Where did you see the Nazi salute?
  2. Denis
    Denis 18 February 2012 09: 00 New
    +17
    Zasr..ntsy in one word, the country is bankrupt, Europe does not need, so they are trying to attract attention. To take and not renew the gas contract with them, let them buy in Europe with a mark-up.
    1. Pharao7766
      Pharao7766 18 February 2012 09: 14 New
      +16
      ... moreover, they want to cut the dough on this topic every year, and they are also sent annually to HER!
      You can stupidly invoice them for everything that they had built during the "acupation" ...
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 18 February 2012 09: 43 New
        +16
        correctly.
        so much more than what was built ... and the amortization of heavy equipment (when entering Vilnius .. Tanks wear out very quickly when they drive on asphalt), and the fuel burned. And the actions of the Alpha special group. And moral damage.
        Start counting - they are in debt, like a rat in fleas.
        Give them money ...
        Anyone who requires so much money - then they work off it for a long time and specifically.
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 18 February 2012 18: 35 New
          +7
          give money. given that the occupation is fake - print a carriage of bucks and give it to those who ask
    2. Uralm
      Uralm 18 February 2012 15: 26 New
      +12
      If, in response, they bill for everything that the USSR built, I think Lithuania itself will have to Russia over 100 billion dollars, although why bother paying attention to them at all ?! Is it just for fun
      1. motors
        motors 19 February 2012 20: 24 New
        -6
        Quote: Uralm
        bill for everything that the USSR built



        It has long been exposed.
        1. alex popov
          alex popov 20 February 2012 11: 21 New
          +2
          how and who exposed. You can in more detail, if not difficult.
    3. motors
      motors 19 February 2012 20: 19 New
      +1
      it is a matter of principle. Of course, someone doesn’t.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 19 February 2012 22: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: motors
        it is a matter of principle. Of course, someone doesn’t.

        What is the principle, and what is hoped for, if there are no “bills" anyway?
        1. motors
          motors 20 February 2012 01: 59 New
          -5
          The principle consists in recognizing the fact of the occupation of the Baltic States 1940 year.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 20 February 2012 15: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: motors
            The principle consists in recognizing the fact of the occupation of the Baltic States 1940 year.

            Does this mean that the USSR, together with Stalin, were meaner, worse and more fierce than Hitler, the SS and the Gestapo combined? Are you out of your mind?
            Of course, I understand that Germany rules in your EU, and, most likely, all of you work your daily bread. But I'm purely humanly curious, do you really believe all this yourself? And how would you react if you were in our place? Would you acknowledge your worthlessness and shower everyone with your money (thereby still not redeeming your "guilt")?
            1. motors
              motors 20 February 2012 17: 18 New
              -2
              I, in turn, am very depressed by your understanding of how the international relations are being built in the EU today. why does it seem to you that relations in the EU are being built on the principle of vassalhozain ...

              about the question, who was more likely to run away? I already spoke about this in one comment - the reporters that were held here by the Soviet authorities in 1940 until June 1941 were creepy. Elimination of the intelligentsia by imposing another economic system (After the agrarian reform in the early 1920s, each seed in Latvia received its own plot of land where very many successfully developed their farms, after incorporation in the USSR they were considered fists. Some of them were deported to Siberia and sent to collective farms, etc. Such the changes affected most of the Latvian population), the decline in living standards, etc. ...
              The Nazis in Latvia, unlike other regions in the USSR, did not carry out tangible covert operations, etc. The greasy occupation in the Baltic was much more bloody than the Soviet 1940.

              The repressions concerned mainly the Jews and the communist, and to a lesser extent the Lathes. Nevertheless, the German occupation was not sugar - the Soviet was much worse.

              Quote: Alexej
              Do you really believe all this?


              My family was affected by the consequences of both occupations.
              It is not possible to imagine the fact that the state is short. You believe so and love it conceals unpleasant facts. What should I do ?
              If you continue to browse the accomplices / ungrateful, etc. of all the Baltic states, not trying to penetrate their history to the understanding of the world.

              I am ready to clarify the point of view of Laticea on the development of the stories of the Second World War.

              I want to thank those who are interested in the very contradictory pages of our common stories and ask me questions. yes
              1. Alexei
                Alexei 20 February 2012 18: 00 New
                +4
                Both of my grandfathers fought in the Second World War. And the funny thing is that one was dispossessed and the other dispossessed. I do not condone the harsh measures of the Communists, but you must agree that these measures have delayed the now-exaggerated social stratification, and this is one hundred percent destabilizing fact for any country that all people interested in pumping Russia are trying to take advantage of. Why did the German occupation not touch you (as you say)? Yes, because you did not cause problems and were submissive, unlike us. And indeed they were not up to you. And it seems to me that you are cunning at the expense of the occupation, or that your family simply does not agree on real circumstances. This is shameful and difficult to remember.
                I put you a plus, because you seriously defend your point of view, and ask you to think about my comment.
                1. motors
                  motors 20 February 2012 19: 08 New
                  +1
                  Thank you! :)

                  For a full cortini one needs to know a little about pre-war Latvia and life in it.

                  After the war for independence in Latvia, they carried out agrarian reform - almost all the lands pre-owned by the German landlords were divided and in Latvia grew over 140 rural households (the population at that time was about 000). Almost everyone had their own cry. If we take into account that after the First World War and the War of Independence 2/000 territory was beaten by soot, then the standard of living which was in the period 000-1 impressed. In many indicators Latvia was ahead of Sweden and Finland. Even in the armies the rations of the soldier made up 2 different dishes (even beer was given for dinner).
                  Did you advise the Socialist to prejudice? impoverishment soon took place plus deportation officials, accounting officers, engineers, students with their families

                  The deportations continued but were already unsuccessful - Germany attacked the USSR. The Soviet repressions played into the hands of the Germans. The Germans were very unpleasant for the Latishees before the war, as the Germans colonized us and 700 years as estates enslaved the Latiches and in the period 1918-1920 fed on the territory of Estonia and Latvia to create the Baltic Duchy .. So imagine what happened in 1940 after the Germans in many places met with flowers?
                  There is a predisposition and touch on the question of legionnaires or schaffen ss.
                  1. There were Latvians who immediately went to the service of the Nazis and did dirty work in Belarus and Russia. This is indeed a disgrace to the people of Latvia.
                  2. 1943. when the Germans did not have enough live power, they circled the total mobilization and enlisted their "voluntary" power Faven SS. although they did not appear to be an SS form violence, they were the Esessovites (they could only beat the purity of the Germans) This is even spoken of in the protocols of the Nurnberg process.

                  How did the Latvians react? many had a bloody hatred of the Soviets, and they volunteered to fight against the Soviets. Others obeyed the call purely on the basis of evil and less evil because they knew that otherwise there would be a concentration camp or a lot of trouble (there were cases when those who had stolen from the rain prizes of the arrival of the Soviet military and were shot like a spy). Yes, and it is necessary to notice the successful work of the Nazi propaganda .. Chevo clearly reluctantly scared national symbols on the forms and signs of distinction, etc. Basically, the vocation was hoped for repeating stories like it was in a war for independence - at least some will break up the others and then the good English and Americans will come and help us regain our independence ... It’s naive ... If you take into account the fact that the Western countries recognized the incorporation in the USSR De Facto.

                  I want to say to all of them that the Latvians are victims of the warriors and politics that tyrannies waged like Hitler and Stalin. As a result, Latvia lost 1/3 of the population.
                  The refusal to go deeper into these matters - to call Latishis accomplices and to negligently take human losses, only raises resentment, anger, and in some cases and hatred. Is it necessary? I think no.

                  I am glad that I can spread the point of view of the Baltic states in terms of understanding and, in my opinion, objectiveness.
                  1. Che
                    Che 21 February 2012 07: 50 New
                    -2
                    And the Baltic fascists will not crack the mug for a freebie cut grandmother. By the way, where such a cool picture was found by alexneg.
    4. motors
      motors 20 February 2012 01: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Denis
      bankrupt country



      ??? Where? When?

      Lithuanians even dispensed with the financial assistance of international organizations ..

      Karoche - Litba bankrupt - empty talk

      Quote: Denis
      Europe does not need


      ??
      What does it mean - unnecessary? It seems you know enough about Heb. union once you say so ..


      Quote: Denis
      Take and not renew the gas contract with them


      You don’t know much about infrastructure either ... Latvians will be denied the use of gas in the Inčukalns storage facility and this will damage the Russian economy.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 20 February 2012 16: 25 New
        +3
        There will be no damage to Russia, there is always a backup plan. You would be strangled easily, do not live with you "half-citizens." And this fact will shoot you at point blank range. fool
        1. motors
          motors 20 February 2012 17: 24 New
          +1
          You can shield like that. But with a categorical relationship to historical issues and unheard of relations with others, Russia has gained that the Latvian, Lithuanian and Estonian populations are doing their best to fence themselves off from Russia. Is Russian foreign policy a success? I say no ...
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 20 February 2012 18: 30 New
            +4
            Remember that history can be rewritten under circumstances that are now convenient. If now in Europe and the Baltic states they ask the question: "You are Russian aggressive, why did you attack the Swedes near Poltava?" I’m aware of your attitude, my brother was killed in Estonia for what he celebrated on May 9 (police officers beat him to death). Nobody is going to trample himself into historical mud, neither you nor we. The story is big and thick, and you are engaged in nonsense, because everyone tried to scuffle Russia, but note that we are not forcing anyone to answer.
            No success in foreign policy? I'm glad. To beg your forgiveness by handing out forests, resources and money is generally a failure. It’s a pity that only “half-citizens” are not to blame for anything.
            1. motors
              motors 20 February 2012 21: 06 New
              -2
              I'm sorry that this happened to your brothers.

              As for "strangers" or "half-citizens" .. As I have already said in Latvia, tens of thousands of Russians and other citizens of the USSR who have successfully passed the process of naturalization and live like citizens. If it would have been so bad, could the measures of Riga be Russian? Could the state apparatus be 1/4 of the naturalized? Would there be free Russian schools / libraries and theaters which are financed by the state? Could you beat the table of mixed families where one is Russian and the second is Latvian? I'm not talking about the army and the police where the national role does not play, only the level of knowledge of the state. language

              Quote: Alexej
              The story is big and thick, and you are engaged in nonsense, because everyone tried to scuffle Russia, but note that we are not forcing anyone to answer.


              I would say this- Despite the difficult situation in Russia and a large number of opponents, there is no right to justify anything in the past in any way. I’m not talking about Poltava ... it concerns everyone not only Russian
              1. Pharao7766
                Pharao7766 21 February 2012 16: 59 New
                0
                Please tell us more about this organization as part of the Latvian Ministry of Defense.
                * Office of Learning and Doctrine *

                Whose emblem and your avatar are identical ....

                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%E0%F6%E8%EE%ED%E0%EB%FC%ED%FB%E5_%E2%EE%EE%F0%F

                3%E6%B8%ED%ED%FB%E5_%F1%E8%EB%FB_%CB%E0%F2%E2%E8%E8
                1. motors
                  motors 21 February 2012 17: 47 New
                  0
                  What is not clear here? :)
  3. IrOqUoIs
    IrOqUoIs 18 February 2012 09: 08 New
    +9
    Apparently expecting to receive this money from Russia and not receiving it, Lithuania instantly came to the first place on suicides ... It seems to me that for them it will burp for a long time.
  4. PIZDEC82
    PIZDEC82 18 February 2012 09: 13 New
    0
    but wouldn’t go for x .... these Lithuanians ....)) they wanted money from us ...)))) praise the fascists of the EES-ceav ...))) how the whole world wants Russia from us, money , and our wealth .. especially free then ... it's time to finally give everyone .... just not wealth, but in the ass ...))) militarily ..)))
  5. taseka
    taseka 18 February 2012 09: 16 New
    +12
    Lithuania's accession to NATO automatically removed the issue of compensation from the agenda!
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 February 2012 10: 19 New
      +14
      And if there hadn’t joined, then the question would have been? Then let the territories be returned to Bulorusi and compensate for the costs of creating industry .. I won’t even talk about the period of revolution .. There you can dig up so much that the whole of Europe will not pay
      1. motors
        motors 19 February 2012 20: 30 New
        -5
        Quote: domokl
        territories let them return Bulorusi


        On what basis?


        Quote: domokl
        offset the cost of creating industry


        Interesting- I asked someone about the development of industry? Was there an opportunity to protest and skozat no?
    2. Anatoly
      Anatoly 18 February 2012 11: 09 New
      +18
      With the entry of Lithuania into the NATO bloc, the alliance strengthened at the expense of Lithuania
      Navy Raft and Lithuanian Air Kite. laughing
      1. motors
        motors 19 February 2012 20: 45 New
        -1
        nevertheless, their participation and contribution to international peacekeeping operations is not so small.
        The Lithuanian armed forces consist entirely of contractors and their training is good.
        Of course, this affects the number of military-ground forces mainly consisting of one brigade. Well, what can you want from the Malenkava state?
        1. spirin199
          spirin199 19 February 2012 21: 11 New
          +4
          the little one always agrees to curse the big one
          1. motors
            motors 20 February 2012 01: 22 New
            0
            From where such confidence - Always?

            There is no smoke without fire, did you think why the Lithuanians are demanding anything? Is there any kind of nibut at least maleish blame for Russia / USSR themselves?

            It's easy to overthrow everything on any small ones there ....
            1. Reks
              Reks 20 February 2012 01: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: motors
              Have you ever wondered why Lithuanians are demanding anything
              a normal way to cut down the loot. You also want to live the same and replenish the budget. Not all the same to live in the West wink Well, we certainly don’t know how to live ... crying And in response to present ... what to take from you ??? No offense.
              1. motors
                motors 20 February 2012 02: 04 New
                -1
                As I said, someone on non-money money. it’s a matter of principle that Dobits’s apology from Russia (which took the role of the legal heir to the USSR) in 1940.
                1. Reks
                  Reks 20 February 2012 02: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: motors
                  someone on non-nadeits money

                  drinks and then what doesn’t you say directly ??? Apologize, they say, for this and that ??? So what is needed ??? ... Muddy you. bully
                  1. motors
                    motors 20 February 2012 02: 21 New
                    -1
                    Reks,
                    Quote: Reks
                    and then what not to say directly ??? Apologize supposedly for this and that ???


                    This has already been talked about since the 1990s. Unfortunately, little or just do not write about this in Russian press.
                    And as presented monetary requirements, so attracted attention
                    1. Reks
                      Reks 20 February 2012 02: 25 New
                      +3
                      bully Oh, I'm tired of politics ... better to relax ?? you have a beautiful place there. Yes, and it will be easier for you to be local. And why are you so active here ?????
                      1. motors
                        motors 20 February 2012 03: 18 New
                        0
                        Quote: Reks
                        Why are you so active here ?????



                        I want to convey reviews and other opinions for readers of Voennov. Otherwise, they publish stats that present the one-sided story ...

                        The essence of bad relations - Latishi, Estonia and Litovtsi were very much damaged in 1940 from the Soviet regime. In Russia, they do not talk about violent incorporation or suggest that the USSR is not innocent of anything.

                        And of course, the Russian will think that Baltic rubbish is ungrateful. In turn, the Latish thinks that the Russian imperialist is simply a bastard who is not capable of recognizing even the error.

                        Who needs it? It is pleasing to politicians who are interested in the existence of an external enemy ...

                        The fact of recognition of Russia’s mistakes of stories itself helped strive to improve relations with its neighbors (I, as a Latvian, took such a step very much) and would not undermine any pride in pride and pride to whom Russia is dear.

                        The main focus was viscose. Without a hitch ...
                      2. Krilion
                        Krilion 20 February 2012 03: 46 New
                        +5
                        the idea is understandable ... also no offense - study the history of the emergence of the Baltic states and realize the fact that all these lands are honestly bought by Russia from Sweden for money and are Russian property ... as if the Baltic states were not billed for the rental of Russian property .. against this background, all talk of occupation looks, to put it mildly, funny ...
                      3. motors
                        motors 20 February 2012 15: 03 New
                        -2
                        Well, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania appeared as a state on their own initiative. The agreements between Tsarskai Rosii and Sweden cannot be obliged, since then there was nobody who had nothing to do with the Baltiysav + our states appeared a blogger on the principle of self-determination of people and signatures, an agreement with the USSR in August 1920 stated that Soviet Russia recognized Latvia as a state and renounced claims to the territory of Latvia for centuries.
                        The contract was signed when the front of the Latvian and Red Army passed at the ethnic borders of Latvia (about the same as the modern border).


                        As for compensation, this is for the deportation of the population of Latvia (including the Russian living in Latvia), for the otanaty property and other repressions (shot officers, intellectuals, etc.)
                    2. Sandov
                      Sandov 20 February 2012 20: 22 New
                      0
                      The Russians suffered the most from 30 years, the Baltic states lived with a union during the union, and saw it themselves. Russia should not admit any guilt invented by the Baltic Nazis.
                    3. motors
                      motors 20 February 2012 21: 13 New
                      -2
                      1. If Russia does not play the role of the heir to the USSR, the questions are not weak, but it has taken on this role ...

                      2. Without a contribution to the infrastructure, the Baltic states have also been polluted with environmental pollution + they have repressed and lacked freedom, and can this be easily killed?
                    4. Che
                      Che 21 February 2012 08: 14 New
                      +1
                      motors,
                      The Balts in the union lived on a freebie and now they want the same. Repent for your crimes against humanity during the war years.
                2. Sandov
                  Sandov 22 February 2012 22: 37 New
                  +1
                  It would be good for the three Baltic republics to recognize the fact of the genocide that they carried out during the years of the war against the brothers of the Slavs.
  6. matvey.z
    matvey.z 21 February 2012 22: 38 New
    0
    5+. Is the spelling hopefully consciously like this?
  • Sandov
    Sandov 22 February 2012 22: 34 New
    +1
    A small state would like a little respect for the peoples who contributed to the development of the Baltic republics, rather than kissing NATO boots.
  • Rashid
    Rashid 18 February 2012 09: 40 New
    +12
    In the history of this type of compensation it is customary to call indemnities, that is, the pay of the defeated for the fact that the winners spent their money on the war. Now it remains to figure out who is the winner and who is defeated, and whether there was a war.
  • sanyarusian
    sanyarusian 18 February 2012 09: 41 New
    +11
    lately there have been a lot of such harsh statements addressed to Russia, they forgot along the way that we are a nuclear power, we should remind everyone who the godfather is here.
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 February 2012 10: 21 New
      +16
      They have not forgotten anything .. They simply fulfill the order of smart rich neighbors .. You need to annoy the bear .. Let him take a stupid step ...
      1. подводник
        подводник 18 February 2012 10: 24 New
        +10
        People’s Russian proverb: "And it makes it all the same to anger us to fuck you."
        1. Uhalus
          Uhalus 18 February 2012 11: 51 New
          +8
          Yes, that's right ... But is there something you need to do? In the late 30s, they would have been shouted at once - and all business, but now we are almonds, drooling with them ...
          1. подводник
            подводник 18 February 2012 14: 50 New
            +1
            Folk proverb:
            "Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast!"
          2. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 18 February 2012 16: 00 New
            +6
            THEY ARE SISTER, UNDERSTANDING EXCELLENTLY THAT THE CALINIGRADE WE CAN'T RESET FROM THE ACCOUNT, SO SURE THERE ARE OUR ACTIONS. BUT THOUGHT ANY RADICAL EXIT YES FIND. HOW MUCH A ROPE DOES NOT KIND ...
            1. Ziksura
              Ziksura 18 February 2012 23: 38 New
              +5
              There is a solution: a few years to pay as little attention to them as possible — all their screams will turn into whining — a few more: they will be silent — a few more: according to a nod.
            2. KuigoroZHIK
              KuigoroZHIK 19 February 2012 02: 31 New
              -1
              Yeah ... place "Iskander" near Kaliningrad ....
              Or shut off the gas valve for a couple of weeks .....
          3. Ziksura
            Ziksura 18 February 2012 23: 31 New
            +4
            In the 30s they were at least something petty, but they were. And now they "poke" on them - to humiliate themselves. "Unas claims against Russia." Translated from the common Baltic: "We c-exist."
  • TAMERLAN
    TAMERLAN 18 February 2012 09: 42 New
    +10
    dirty little people extended their hands again and can help them to stretch their legs to shut off the gas and let NATO supply them with all supplies
  • Greyfox
    Greyfox 18 February 2012 09: 56 New
    +9
    For all claims like "INOSтRANSEV"can be answered in one word -" IT'S STOMBING! "
  • Igor
    Igor 18 February 2012 10: 01 New
    +12
    There is a saying in Lithuania: Who will leave last, do not forget to turn off the lights at the station.
    Looks like they want to buy train tickets to their population, since they decided to demand compensation.
  • Grenader
    Grenader 18 February 2012 10: 07 New
    +6
    I don’t even want to delve into their arguments - send in three letters and that's it.
  • подводник
    подводник 18 February 2012 10: 16 New
    +11
    Everything is simple-EEC does not allocate any money to them, once!
    They destroyed their industry (at the direction of the same EEC!) - two!
    But the budget needs money, because the state needs to develop. And where to get it?
    Ask from Russia? And he will give? They ask, he doesn’t give! And if you blackmail me? Again he doesn’t!
    Eat your sprats gentlemen Europeans.

  • Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 18 February 2012 10: 17 New
    +4
    I'll just leave it here)

    Latvian Foreign Ministry protests against Salaspils exhibition

    The Latvian Foreign Ministry criticized an exhibition in Moscow on the crimes of the Nazis and their accomplices in Latvia during the 1943-1944 period. It is reported by DELFI.

    The Foreign Ministry regarded the exhibition as “falsification of history, misinformation and anti-Latvian propaganda.” The ministry noted that the organizer of the exhibition, the director of the Historical Memory Foundation, Alexander Dyukov, denied the “occupation of the Baltic countries” (probably referring to the denial of the “Soviet occupation”, which the authorities of the Baltic republics call the period of stay in the USSR).

    “Those who are really interested in the tragic events of history, it is clear that neither this exhibition nor the activities of Dyukov are relevant to historical science,” - said the Latvian Foreign Ministry.

    The exhibition in question is called “Stolen Childhood: 1943-1944. The fate of children hijacked to Latvia. ” It runs from January 19 to February 15 at the State Central Museum of Contemporary History of Russia.

    As noted on the museum’s website, the exposition includes materials about children who were captured in Russia and Belarus during the Great Patriotic War, driven into the territory of Latvia occupied by the Nazis (it was noted that the operations were mainly carried out by “Latvian collaborationist groups”) and placed in concentration camp Salaspils. Visitors to the exhibition, as noted, will be able to get acquainted with photo documents and eyewitness accounts, “see the burned villages, punitive and their victims, the inhuman life of the Salaspils concentration camp, hear the stories of the saved people and remember the dead.”

    The organizer of the exhibition said that it was dedicated to the “unrecognized victims of the Nazi occupation”. “Children were taken to Latvia in a concentration camp, where many of them died. The survivors were handed out and sold to Latvian peasants as auxiliary workers, ”he said.

    In Salaspils during the Great Patriotic War, the Nazis killed tens of thousands of people. The victims included children, whom the Nazis used for medical experiments, and also as a source of “donor” blood for wounded German soldiers.
    1. Uhalus
      Uhalus 18 February 2012 11: 50 New
      +3
      Yeah, the Russians, of course, forged everything: the photographs, the testimonies, and the camp itself in the end ...
      Is it profitable to turn to myself, Ms. Latvia?
  • Tersky
    Tersky 18 February 2012 10: 39 New
    +13
    The most interesting thing is that the smaller the “state” the more ambitions for Russia, and the Baltic states is generally nonsense in the post-Soviet space ...
    1. KuigoroZHIK
      KuigoroZHIK 19 February 2012 02: 32 New
      +4
      small bug, but smelly! tse
    2. motors
      motors 19 February 2012 20: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: Tersky
      nonsense in post-Soviet space ...




      Maybe because the Baltic states entered into an alliance somehow different from others? recourse
      1. spirin199
        spirin199 19 February 2012 21: 14 New
        +1
        with the Germans they also demand four years to pay back or not
        1. motors
          motors 20 February 2012 01: 14 New
          +1
          Boyus is mistaken, but it seems that materially unsolicited at the state level.
          The fact is that the Germans did not commit atrocities in the Baltic states as it was in Belarus or in Russia. The main objects of repression were Jews and Communists (connection with them, etc.). The Nazi occupation was magkai to the surprise.
          In turn, the Soviet repression (1940) concerned almost all sections of society (Sovietization, nationalization), and these repressions were numbly worse than those that the Nazis did (deportation, rastrel). And we must understand that the incorporation of the Baltic states in the USSR left a big scar in the minds of these peoples.

          I personally have many relatives both in Lithuania and Latvia and in Belarus, who were both red partisans and a vocation in the Waffen SS. I know well that everyone had to survive.
  • Maroder
    Maroder 18 February 2012 10: 52 New
    +5
    Well, how to put a comment here without a mat?
    (supplement to 50 characters smile )
  • bandabas
    bandabas 18 February 2012 11: 05 New
    +25
    In 88, a schoolboy went to Palanga on New Year's Eve. I remember buying 2 ice creams. Declared- "Please give two PLOMBIRIUS" laughing . The seller said that I have a good Lithuanian accent. laughing
  • kubanec
    kubanec 18 February 2012 11: 18 New
    +12
    why not RUSSIA impose sanctions on the Baltic countries (as far as I understand, we are the only consumers of their goods) and tighten the valve slightly, let hot heads cool down a little, otherwise the fascist bastard would breed
    1. motors
      motors 20 February 2012 01: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: kubanec
      as I understand it, we are the only consumers of their goods



      Baltic exports mainly (70%) are directed to EU countries.

      Russia has repeatedly made obstacles to the export of Baltic goods to Russia. Therefore, entrepreneurs are very cautious about business in Russia.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 21 February 2012 20: 31 New
        +1
        Yes, there’s nothing to export from there, probably even the balm was blown away, I don’t see the last time.
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 26 February 2012 21: 56 New
          0
          Riga balm exists. But it is a little expensive, and they are bought in Russia.
  • Tambovskiy volk
    Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 11: 19 New
    -45
    A bit of prose to think about for an adequate perception of the world ....

    Do Russian wars want to happen?
    I. Do Russians want war?
    Do not ask for silence, do not ask those soldiers in the memorials that lie.
    Ask the zinc coffins in which young sons from neighboring lands were brought to the old women so that they would shed tears. Ask the brave guys who are sitting in the Kremlin, sewing on the epaulettes of the stars, waving a club with a "peaceful" club.
    II. Ask the patriots with shaved heads how “peacefully” dark nights they “doused” Moldovans and Greeks, different Caucasians, Tajiks and Uzbeks.
    Ask Poland and Lithuania: Do they dream about Russia?
    You ask spring from Prague: Do the Russians want war?
    Ask the Hungarians, as you once did: On tanks, Russian soldiers cut through Budapest, Ugortsev "accustomed to the world." You will answer the old Finn, who lived a lot - to gray hair, how "peacefully" the Russian troops were torn through the winter and snow.
    III. There is something to be said about the Belarusian, the one whose ancestors were from the Litvinians, at what terrible price the world and brotherhood “gave” them the Muscovite.
    When the Suvorov Horde burned villages, cities.
    Ask, ask Kurapaty, there are rebels there.
    Ask that Ukraine fraternal, assured of Slavic love, from the tenacious hands of a big brother, why should we look for defenses from NATO?
    1. ole
      ole 18 February 2012 12: 16 New
      +18
      Tambovskiy volk
      Why distort so much about the Russians, when you can say all this about all the others listed, they robbed and killed in our lands.
      1. Tambovskiy volk
        Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 12: 49 New
        -28
        ole,
        Well, it’s not clear who only juggles, but okay.
        But you cannot give such an example, and this is a huge difference ...
        1. kubanec
          kubanec 18 February 2012 13: 06 New
          +16
          again, orange and anti-Russian campaigning on the site and all these countries (except Berlin) so fucking live now !!!! some still live at the expense of RUSSIA. Soon everyone will be asked back
          1. Tambovskiy volk
            Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 13: 12 New
            -27
            Quote: kubanec
            some still live at the expense of RUSSIA.

            This slogan succeeds, but what can it be - and Europe lives at the expense of you, you sell gas and oil to it ... yes
            Quote: kubanec
            Soon everyone will be asked back

            The line is not visible in the new financial pyramid. request
            1. IrOqUoIs
              IrOqUoIs 18 February 2012 18: 28 New
              +8
              Recently discussed the rules on the forum, you Troll! I don’t know how Russia personally offended you, but I think I distort!
            2. Pancho
              Pancho 18 February 2012 19: 49 New
              +11
              Tambovskiy volk, but what are you doing here? I think you were mistaken for a door. All these countries fought in one form or another with our country. The USSR has treated them very humanely. Especially with the Czechs who forged the German sword. For me, they still have to smoke. And your comments, who will convince anyone here?
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 18 February 2012 20: 29 New
                +7
                Quote: Pancho
                . And your comments, who will convince here?

                Yes, he inserts komenty in order to annoy normal people. And he does not need our evidence. It's just a “Cossack mishandled.” Honorary follow-up of Mr. Joseph Goebels, master of “black” propaganda and demagogue, indestructible “Mr. Tank.” He feeds on our negative emotions. Who wants-feed, I-will not.
                1. Ziksura
                  Ziksura 19 February 2012 00: 14 New
                  +2
                  Do not feed, but observe and analyze. Not the last thing in military affairs. Protect emotions .... I almost said be calm as a tank laughing
              2. Ziksura
                Ziksura 19 February 2012 00: 10 New
                +4
                Quote: Pancho
                All these countries fought in one form or another with our page

                Are you talking about the photo on the left? I support myself I wanted to pay attention to this so late I went to the forum. But there is something to add. The list under the right photo + 2000. Bulldozer Revolution. Belgrade - This hit parade of the movement "I will frostbite my ears to evil mother" is a reinforced concrete argument in this dispute bully
                Quote: Pancho
                Tambovskiy volk, but what are you doing here? In my opinion, you were mistaken by the door.

                You shouldn’t be so. On the "Military Review" without a sense of excitement of the battle .... The main thing is to keep yourself within. Interesting material for observation and analysis.
            3. SF93
              SF93 19 February 2012 01: 11 New
              +3
              OK. Well, do not buy from your American friends? Or are there not enough eureks? If Europe buys, then they need it. Do not wait for freebies. And yet, what are you doing at NATO? Can you protect a weak Europe from Russia? In my opinion, you got into NATO, and do not get washed off soon.
            4. подводник
              подводник 19 February 2012 09: 16 New
              0
              Tabov Wolf from Germany?
              You forgot what, 1945, let’s come back!
              1. slas
                slas 19 February 2012 19: 26 New
                +3
                today Germany and yesterday Ukraine-joke? laughing
                1. Regularis
                  Regularis 19 February 2012 19: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: slas
                  today Germany and yesterday Ukraine-joke?

                  HAHAHA!
                  so about what and the ordinary trollolo conversation am
            5. slas
              slas 19 February 2012 19: 24 New
              +2
              Quote: Tambovskiy volk
              Tambovskiy volk DE Yesterday, 13:12

              today ----------
              Quote: Tambovskiy volk
              Tambovskiy volk UA Yesterday, 12:49 PM

              Yesterday ----- we can decide laughing
              1. Kremlin
                Kremlin 19 February 2012 19: 27 New
                0
                Quote: slas
                Yesterday ----- we can decide

                he cannot The doctor diagnosed disability and impaired perception of reality laughing
              2. Regularis
                Regularis 19 February 2012 19: 29 New
                0
                Quote: slas
                Yesterday ----- we can decide laughing

                Well, humanity of the world or not of this world fool
                Fairy troll character laughing
        2. ole
          ole 18 February 2012 13: 28 New
          +12
          Good nation is everywhere that you have, that we have. Poles and Lithuanians at one time even sat in Moscow. During the Second World War, Western Ukrainians clearly did not defend their "independence" with leaflets. Hungarians and Czechs - I agree, it is possible to bust, but it was necessary to maintain the integrity of the bloc, and probably without the work of Western special services it was necessary here, these stones destroyed the bloc. But beloved Americans are now sowing the rational, the good, the eternal.
          1. recitatorus
            recitatorus 18 February 2012 15: 40 New
            +11
            We have hundreds of thousands of Hungarians and Romanians lying near Voronezh and Stalingrad !!! I wonder where did these good brave guys come from ??? And you can not stutter about the Germans at all ...
            If we had not gouged this Prague mold in the 60s, then in the Czech Republic NATO missiles would have stood for forty years !!! And they would have stood for our souls.
            And the second list can also include the election of Yeltsin, the State Emergency Committee and the shelling of the White House, but then the list will take on a completely different meaning; the ominous role of Russian insatiable enslavers will disappear from it.
            1. Ziksura
              Ziksura 19 February 2012 00: 22 New
              +1
              I had to go to these graves near Stalingrad, material evidence swayed. No "pictures" and demagoguery can not be beaten.
              1. подводник
                подводник 19 February 2012 09: 19 New
                0
                Something like this:
        3. Piligrim
          Piligrim 18 February 2012 15: 25 New
          +2
          Well, what do you want to say by this ???
          Do you think ordinary citizens of the USSR were happy about this?
          If communism was a viable political system, then it would continue to exist on this territory and disperse around the world.
          And so, we suffered from him the most.
        4. slas
          slas 19 February 2012 19: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Tambovskiy volk

          Well, it’s not clear who only juggles, but okay.
          But you cannot give such an example, and this is a huge difference

          Though read how it really was-Fools fool
        5. spirin199
          spirin199 19 February 2012 21: 19 New
          0
          Chechezhe there were only some Russians by nationality, and the Ukrainians were afraid to withdraw there. The whole Soviet Union was not only Russian
    2. Piligrim
      Piligrim 18 February 2012 15: 19 New
      +1
      Well, you still come up with the Tatars of the Mongols, - to the heap!
      Nuka, tell me at least one state, will I keep silent about empires, which in its history did not oppress anyone?
      Waiting for an answer!
      The only such state is the gypsies! But where is this state, you yourself know.
      1. Tambovskiy volk
        Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 16: 29 New
        -21
        Quote: Pilgrim
        Nuka, tell me at least one state, will I keep silent about empires, which in its history did not oppress anyone?
        Waiting for an answer!
        The only such state is the gypsies! But where is this state, you yourself know.

        There is an answer, and it is simple - there is no scoop, and this is the toughest answer.
        1. Ziksura
          Ziksura 19 February 2012 00: 26 New
          +2
          Here's a bad luck, plusanul accidentally.
        2. slas
          slas 19 February 2012 19: 27 New
          0
          : Tambovskiy volk
          Tambovskiy volk DE Yesterday, 13: 12


          Tambovskiy volk
          Tambovskiy volk UA Yesterday, 12: 49

          it's yesterday ----- we can decide laughing---------------- while typing before our eyes from DE to UA has changed - funny?
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 21 February 2012 20: 37 New
          +1
          Only stupid people can blame everything on the scoop. After the Second World War, work was constantly conducted against the greatest state formation in the history of the Soviet Union, the evil empire and NATO.
      2. Igarr
        Igarr 18 February 2012 19: 02 New
        +1
        Does Mr. Pilgrim have problems with social studies?

        Definition ..STATE ... capable of giving?

        And if they are capable - it means you know - the state is a way of coercion.
        And if you do not understand - you are in the first class.
        And not here - to the site.

        Brains, even if hands drag along the clave, it would not hurt to turn it on.
        Communism ... at least where .. is it ?? No? Well, there is no question ... that means.
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 18 February 2012 17: 44 New
      +3
      I hope that you are not Russian land is.
      1. Tambovskiy volk
        Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 18: 26 New
        -15
        Quote: Cynic

        I hope that you are not Russian land is.

        Fortunately - Ukrainian. good
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 18 February 2012 19: 00 New
          +7
          Quote: Tambovskiy volk
          Fortunately - Ukrainian

          And why is the wolf Tambov? request Then write Hutsul, Bandera, or whatever ... And then you discredit fellow countrymen.
          1. Tambovskiy volk
            Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 19: 24 New
            -7
            Ribwort,
            The proverb is like ...
            1. подводник
              подводник 19 February 2012 09: 24 New
              +7
              So etozh Russian proverb !!!
              Do you have your own ???
              Or is it still drawn to the boot of the previous owner?
            2. Ziksura
              Ziksura 19 February 2012 16: 38 New
              +1
              Here with proverbs I recommend you to be careful because more often you have to really hear: "Your friends in the horse’s horse eats eat up." And about the comrade, excuse arkhoizm.
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 18 February 2012 20: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: Tambovskiy volk
          Fortunately - Ukrainian.

          As they say in Odessa, "Oh, you are mine, and for us it is ... happiness"!
          1. Tambovskiy volk
            Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 20: 55 New
            -8
            Quote: revnagan
            As they say in Odessa, "Oh, you are mine, and for us it is ... happiness"!

            We have in Odessa they say - "why do we need your Eurasian - for ours for free and your thanks" ...
        3. alexng
          alexng 18 February 2012 23: 44 New
          +1
          Yes, it’s hardly Ukrainian - the flag is German. What did the Ukrainian land drive away and for what? You must be too heavy for her? am
        4. подводник
          подводник 19 February 2012 09: 22 New
          +1
          That is why Ukraine is under the Heman flag?
          You must have surrendered?
          laughing laughing laughing laughing
          Now your brain is being pumped through one place?
          1. SL.Kocegar
            SL.Kocegar 19 February 2012 13: 25 New
            0
            1939.11.15 Wednesday
            10:00 LITHUANIA. Vilnius. An official ceremony was held for the entry of Soviet troops into Lithuania, which was purely symbolic in nature, since the Soviet troops were already in Vilnius (Vilnius) from 20.09.1939/16/10. On this day, the majority of Soviet troops were withdrawn from Vilnius to places of permanent deployment. In Lithuania, units of the 31th USC, the 18th fighter and the 786st medium-bomber individual air regiments with a total of XNUMX people were stationed.
        5. slas
          slas 19 February 2012 19: 35 New
          +1
          not good she wears you laughing
    4. slas
      slas 19 February 2012 19: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Tambovskiy volk
      Ask that Ukraine fraternal, assured of Slavic love, from the tenacious hands of a big brother, why should we look for defenses from NATO?

      in a word --- SELL because of people like you and Ukraine in opera
    5. Sandov
      Sandov 20 February 2012 20: 31 New
      0
      Do ukry want war, probably yes. The Slavs do not want, the Russians are a peace-loving people, we do not need someone else's. The Slavic world is great - it stretches from the Balkans to the Pacific Ocean.
    6. Timoha
      Timoha 22 February 2012 11: 01 New
      0
      indeed, YOU are the Tambov wolf.
  • Uhalus
    Uhalus 18 February 2012 11: 48 New
    +13
    It’s all about ... eaten ... A small, vile country (a good person is Lithuanian and generally Baltic, but here is a country, but here is politics ...), a fascist state, actually lives at our expense (we drive gas for a penny, Belarus would ! After the war they were restored, industry was set in this agricultural region), and claims ... And why only 28? Why not 50? - for even counting? Then we, too, can put up a count for them: for supporting the Chechen bandits, for discriminating against the Russian population, for building factories, for losses in gaining independence ... Yes, for a lot of things, I would like to!
    Damn, it’s really like a rat: it turns, stinks, strives to steal something that is lying badly and periodically bites - not fatally, but painfully and humiliatingly. There was a good comrade Stalin, he didn’t resettle all the Lithuanians, he left them language and culture (unlike the Germans and Danes 3-6 years ago), but they’re like ... No good deed goes unpunished.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 18 February 2012 13: 58 New
      +8
      Well, you can’t do that, Uhalus ..
      People can not be bad, good.
      A country cannot be mean or noble. A country is land. This is the territory. The terms of morality are not applicable to such (geo-concepts).
      I went fishing, 1989, from the Klaipeda Trawl Fleet Base. Lithuanians in the team are, of course. So what - people like people, even those who were in Sayudis.
      But then, they already ran into their ears ... let's prove ... some garbage ... to me.
      It’s good that I’ve always been interested in history.
      Summary, so to speak:
      Lithuanians, once again, are fooled - for the sake of political alignment.
      Make a fool - rulers, bought in the bud, with capital.
      Capital is owned by individual, specific people.
      And Russia, by virtue of its historical karma (as the basis of Indo-European civilization) - does not have the right to “give specifically to the brains” ... of the lost.
      Because they, these lost ones, are also descendants of Russia.
      It is a shame for us here. In the future, the development of civilization is a normal phenomenon.
      Time will put everything in its place.
      1. recitatorus
        recitatorus 18 February 2012 15: 53 New
        +9
        You are right, Igarr! This is where we ran into the main problem, all Western propaganda plays on it, and its name is enlightenment! Only dense ignoramus can hang any noodles and with any sauce.
        In our war cinema, Germans are still fighting against us! Romanians, Hungarians, Italians were still fascists .. many of our people do not know at all !!!
        Educational programs, which one-two and miscalculated, go late at night!
        An example with a picture on which all cognitions of history by a given individual end, a vivid confirmation of the dense population, and not only ours ...
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 18 February 2012 18: 12 New
          +5
          That's right ... for some reason, we were raised like that ... Germans are enemies ...
          And the fact that Salaspils, Auschwitz, Khatyn (not Katyn .. easy to confuse) - the production of nationals from the USSR - is forgotten, they do not want to remember ..
          And before I said - the first one to land ... on the rack ... for the count .. the Minister of Education .. I was supported then by our Generalissimo - esaul ..
          All and all sorts of perversions begin with young, uncomplicated brains ... put in them a thought - Russian rubbish ... and it will .....
          Now what ... Ukrainians believe - they are GENETICALLY different from Russian ... but who could have minded such a thing?
          Chinese, Hottentots, Indians, Amazons - flies Drosophila worms - Scalpius plant Alder - Birch - animal Lancelet ... have the same genetic material ....
          only UKRA have pink DNA ...? What kind of brains do you need?
          And it all starts with EDUCATION at school ....
          And claims education - the Minister ...
          Stake him ... in tradition .. as in "Pan Volodyevsky" ..
          (Who, when and why believes that the stake was planted through the anus ????????
          Stake in the anus - there was a PUNISHMENT of arsonists, night thieves, rapists - in Russia ... well, read the "Arkhip" of Tolstoy.
          To put on Kohl is hands tied over your head — or behind your back — a swollen sternum, through bending the body backward — in proportion to the wooden point of the skin in front of the sternum — and gradually raising to a vertical position .. and then self-planting on a wooden canoe (log) with movements .. .the more you move, the faster you sit down) ..
          Has anyone ever tried to imagine the mechanics of the whole process?
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 18 February 2012 20: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: Igarr
            Now what ... Ukrainians believe - they are GENETICALLY different from Russian ... but who could have minded such a thing?

            None other than the above-mentioned pan Joseph Goebels. In 1941, the German invaders drew attention to the fact that Ukrainian children practically do not wear glasses, they have healthy teeth and organisms in general. Here Goebbels quickly bungled the theory that Ukrainians are a branch of the true Aryans, and we can be used as genetic material for the healing of the Aryan race. Then the Bandera people also picked up this idea - they really liked it! After all, advanced German science enrolled them in the "Europeans"! Sheptitsky is joyfully boiling water n .... yal.
            1. Igarr
              Igarr 18 February 2012 20: 59 New
              +4
              Class .... hurt yourself ... Goebbels himself by a quarter - it’s clear who ... Hitler has eight - Semitic blood .. Aryans - burst my eyes ..
              There was one, Aryan ... even where ... ended from opium ... Goering .. but at least really German Goering (I know, I know ... not from opium ended .. from the loop).
              When I first read it, clarified it, and I’m bored ... from the fact that our genetic code is no different from the OAK code (well, there a couple of amino acids are rearranged in places from a sequence of 128 chains)
              I generally became .... let's say - extremely cautious ... with conclusions ...
              Well it’s not given to me ... that worm and I are of the same blood ..
              Pop my eyes!


              Hop ... supplement ... all Japanese people wear glasses, all Europeans have false teeth ... Are they underperforming ...? Under the knife ...? They will call for execution - I'm the first, okay ..?
              I also have vision problems with the intestines, all my teeth are treated, except for the incisors.
          2. old rocket man
            old rocket man 19 February 2012 20: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Igarr
            Has anyone ever tried to imagine the mechanics of the whole process

            Well, you're straight, young naturalist, but the rest is all about the case + to you, with my respect
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 26 February 2012 03: 30 New
          +2
          Germans, by the way, were never fascists; they were Nazis; and fascists were in Italy, Spain, Hungary and Romania, still Portugal.
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus April 28 2012 05: 51 New
            0
            At least someone gave the correct wording of Nazi Germany !! - Nazism !!! A fascist is generally a purely Italian concept as well as a symbol - "a bunch of fascines (rods) with an hatchet inserted in them"!
  • ward
    ward 18 February 2012 12: 02 New
    +21
    In the 80's I was in the Baltic states ... Damn yourself occupation ... My hands almost came off ... Last year I drove too ... Thank you God avenged you, I took revenge ...
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 18 February 2012 13: 15 New
    +9
    A leash was pulled from Washington, and they were yapping.
    In the order of delirium ... I’m wondering, will they agree in return for compensation to return everything that was built from them during the “occupation” period and return to their farms and fishing villages?
    If you are ready, you can also think =) What else works is to be put to work, squeezed to the end, and then, at the same time, it’s already ruined to be used as a training ground, otherwise aviation has long had to practice destruction of large areas laughing
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 19 February 2012 00: 40 New
      +6
      Return - they will agree, because there is nothing to return.

      The rrrussian consequences of the occupation have already been eaten, it was tasteful, now we want a compensation for the eaten laughing bully
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 19 February 2012 11: 18 New
        +1
        Eh. sorry, such a landfill disappeared crying
        laughing
  • tanit
    tanit 18 February 2012 14: 02 New
    +2
    Eestonesians seem to have identified themselves as enemies of Estonia. smile I quote yesterday's post on the same site. smile
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 19 February 2012 16: 42 New
      +1
      Estonians in this matter were the fastest (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) in the Baltic states. But in fact, it is true precisely in enemies Estonia.
  • prunx
    prunx 18 February 2012 14: 25 New
    +3
    We must drive the invaders from our Baltic lands! If I had boo ba ba ble ble ble buni - I added the semantic load, otherwise the administration considers my comment short, and therefore, according to Her understanding, do not carry any semantic load. laughing Laconicism is not a "skate" of local overseers wassat
  • Artur09-75
    Artur09-75 18 February 2012 14: 57 New
    +8
    Quote: Landwarrior
    and they will agree in exchange for compensation to return back everything that was built from them during the "occupation"

    What can they return Dear? The article says that everything has already been destroyed, at the insistence of their masters from Brussels. They are Holodtrans. The owners pay them while they bark, and then they renewed with the amount of payment, the “Lithuanian havs” is not very expensively quoted. Therefore, they emanate a bile, in which they will soon drown. And to return to farms and fishing villages - I think they have already forgotten what to do there, how to work, because it is easier to get lost and bark than take care of cattle. And in general, to whom they can offer their products - they will not be allowed into Europe, the "older brothers" will not be allowed. So, maybe out of pity and to justify the handouts to them, they will buy canned food and send it as humanitarian aid somewhere to Africa (they themselves will disdain to use it). I agree with everyone who offers to close their ventel. They barked - covered, still barked - still covered. Let them parachute fuel to them.
    Thanks to Elena for the article.
  • Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 18 February 2012 15: 33 New
    +8
    The less we pay attention to the Baltic states, the faster they will choke in their own bile ...
  • Igarr
    Igarr 18 February 2012 15: 35 New
    +12
    Guys ... lugging at the old posts found ... earlier somehow missed by ..
    ..
    Roman0774 February 4, 2012 17:34 p.m.
    5 The goat from Chukotka: - you can continue to bark, we need pX.


    A little about myself - my father, a Ukrainian, from western regions. Mother Kuban Cossack. Our grandchildren raised us, grandchildren, and hereditary Kuban Cossack. She has seen a lot in her life - Gr.voyna, link to the Urals, HUNGER 32-33, collectivization, and in 37 g came at night - her brother was taken ... WAR, occupation. And after the war it was very hungry ...
    Naturally, we all knew this from the cradle - everything is for us !!! They told me, Besides, my grandmother didn’t like it, I’m a Nazi face, oops, and something like that, not really ... (this is the Kuban ambition, it is still valid!). And besides, all this was said on the "little ballet" - Kuban. dialect. Why, there, both of my grandmothers spoke Ukrainian. Our cuisine is also appropriate - borsch, bacon, varenki, dumplings ...
    Here is such a "compote"
    But, to the question: - who are WE? (nat.) she always answered - WE ARE RUSSIAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND DOT!
    From myself: OUR RUSSIAN LAND SPREADS FROM LVIV AND HORSE TO KAMCHATKA AND ANADYR!
    CURRENT UKRAINE IS THE RUSSIAN LAND !!!!!!!!! I teach this and my children! A, "I am the Nazi face, s" and "" - this is shtetl crap for the uneducated.

    PS - UKRAINE IS NON-REMAINING - THIS IS SHOW ???? THIS IS ON THE SHOVEL! LAUNCH IN CANADA,, DISSEMINATE YOURSELF RESIDENTS.
    In the case of a mess, I will beat Bandera and other hu-yen with a special "pleasure", without mercy and pity.

    it is necessary here, ka Ца п - turn in the Nazi face. Well done
    ......
    Replace - similar to the Lithuanians ... Yes, one to one ..
    That only general Lituaniushte govnorment allows itself ... Great Lithuania from the Baltic to the Black Sea ..
    Clowns, one word ... lacking in principle people lack any crap tryndet ..
    eh, they’d be taken to the camera ... to ... offended closer ... they themselves - are offended ...
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 18 February 2012 18: 22 New
      +7
      What can I add on my own - I attributed our Russian food to myself .. well, what is it, huh?
      Borsch - burst my eyes - pure Russian ... cabbage soup, called
      Fat - in Ukraine it is only in chocolate ...
      dumplings - vosche niv what gate ... Ermak brought them from Tyumen ...
      dumplings - yes, they still eat their current in the Belgorod region .. What does it have to do with it?
    2. IrOqUoIs
      IrOqUoIs 18 February 2012 18: 32 New
      +4
      Plus! I would like to say a lot! But I won’t! You said everything yourself!
  • Strabo
    Strabo 18 February 2012 15: 35 New
    +9
    I quote; Russia's accusations of occupation are just an excuse for receiving another portion of its funds from its budget. Our politicians have apparently taken a wait and see attitude. Yes, no need to wait, you can promise to give this money with a reservation if all the countries that occupied the USSR during the years of the Second World War and during the years of intervention, and these countries gaining about 40 will also pay Russia. Let Lithuania speak to the world community so that everyone will be returned money to Russia for the genocide, for the extermination of the population, cities and villages. Well Compensation and still lost profits. Then please from this money you can unfasten to poverty.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 18 February 2012 20: 14 New
      +5
      Strabo - let the Balts first return to us for everything that was built on their territory during the Union - and this is a huge amount ...
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 18 February 2012 18: 07 New
    +4
    Their ears are from a dead ass, not money!
  • Per se.
    Per se. 18 February 2012 18: 13 New
    +8
    Maybe they also return Hitler? Let their Georgian friend demand compensation for Stalin and Beria!
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 19 February 2012 00: 49 New
      +6
      In Georgia there is a museum of Russian acupuncture. There are portraits of Stalin and Beria almost in the first place among the exhibits bully fool laughing
      Oh do not suffer peoples Russophobia !!! The side effect is scary.
  • Regularis
    Regularis 18 February 2012 19: 22 New
    +3
    Want is not harmful bully
  • selbrat
    selbrat 18 February 2012 19: 24 New
    +4
    It would be more logical to ask the Latvian neighbors for money. For the "Latvian shooters" who carried Soviet power to the masses.
  • SIA
    SIA 18 February 2012 19: 34 New
    +2
    When will these politicians calm down? What more compensation to them, for what?
    For the fact that they were freed from the Nazis in the Second World War? "Forest Brothers", damn it. They walk with a nasty and petty smile. They can say hello right away, and only turn away, they will stab a knife in the back.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 18 February 2012 19: 53 New
    +4
    Russia - demand something from these Baltic feasts too ... By the way, it’s realistic to demand financial compensation from them for everything the USSR built in Lithuania wink
    All that showed the cohabitation of the Slavic republics and the Baltic states in the former USSR is that we don’t need such "friends" on x ... During the years of the Union, there was little sense from them - only our elite lived there — like in Europe ...
  • Selevc
    Selevc 18 February 2012 20: 09 New
    +3
    Russia - demand something from these Baltic feasts too ... By the way, it’s realistic to demand financial compensation from them for everything the USSR built in Lithuania wink
    One thing surprises me - historically, East European countries have always been sixes in the Great Game between Russia and the West, and in the former socialist camp these countries were a kind of elite ... If they like to get their feet wiped, then this is their choice good
  • nokki
    nokki 18 February 2012 20: 15 New
    +4
    I remember the Soviet times, when the Baltic was like a showcase of the USSR. Incidentally, advanced industries were concentrated there, people lived unmatchedly better than in Russia. Now the Baltic states are the backyards of Europe, ordinary people live worse every day. Here it is a pity for him ... And let the frenzied "forest brothers" go for Washington with help (30 pieces of silver)!
  • aironfirst
    aironfirst 18 February 2012 20: 21 New
    +4
    Lithuania requires 28 billions of dollars for Soviet occupation

    and they can’t pee on the back so that the sea smells?
    Quote: Selevc
    By the way, it’s realistic to demand financial compensation from them for everything built by the USSR in Lithuania

    well b, but when you divorce, jointly acquired property is usually divided in half smile
    During the years of the Union, they were of little use.

    well, sprats "Riga" were nothing good
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 18 February 2012 20: 37 New
      +6
      That's it - sprats alone - 60 years on the ashtray market good Interestingly, someone thought that we built the Balts in the days of the Union - it’s so clear anyway ... They had no time for them, you see, they resisted for 50 years the regime that forcibly built housing, hospitals, schools and factories ...
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 21 February 2012 20: 48 New
        +1
        I recognize the Slavs, it’s nice that we have not yet been completely destroyed; God willing, let us go out of all the troubles, strong and strong.
  • irony
    irony 18 February 2012 21: 11 New
    +2
    No need to put everyone on the same shelf, friends. Baltic politicians work out Western grants. They need at least something to earn a living! And ordinary Balts (not Russians living there, namely the Balts) live in the hope of earning a piece of bread. and with this hope they go to work in Scandinavia and other Europe.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 18 February 2012 21: 15 New
      +2
      Well, everything is back to square one - they are wiping their feet about the Baltic states in a new round of Istria ... This is really not a fart ...
    2. aironfirst
      aironfirst 18 February 2012 21: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: irony
      And ordinary Balts (not Russians living there, namely the Balts) live in the hope of earning a piece of bread. and with this hope they go to work in Scandinavia and other Europe.

      they are free citizens of a free country, so let them decide whether they need a homeland, or to escape from it, leaving them to politicians, whom they themselves chose
      1. irony
        irony 18 February 2012 22: 35 New
        +2
        Nobody chose, I think. Elections are fiction! Everywhere and always! (IMHO) So, collecting information about the moods of the plebs. And a jester with them, with the Baltic states! It’s time for our clever women from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to make a list of requirements for:
        - Monogolies, Sweden, Poland, Finland, France, Lithuania))), Japan, England, USA ... The list can be adjusted.
  • Nilf-gaard
    Nilf-gaard 18 February 2012 21: 17 New
    -2
    Quote: esaul
    these cannot understand. What explanations does Riga require if “there are no Russian airspace planes


    Today we just have a referendum on assigning the status of the state language to the Russian language. Here and the planes materialized. The collective farmers are doing very well for this.)

    During the years of the Union, there was little sense in them --- And what do we have about half of the radio equipment for the union produced? I am silent about aviation and cosmonauts in general.
    Cognition is visible.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 18 February 2012 21: 47 New
      +5
      That's it - I’m talking about this - that they built all the production facilities they hated by the Soviet regime ... And now where is their radio equipment? The return of the Baltic republics to the economy of the former union was insignificant in comparison with the volumes of funds invested there ... because they made a showcase - so to speak, exemplary European life ...
      1. Reks
        Reks 18 February 2012 22: 03 New
        +2
        good Krasava !!! keep a plus sign from ................ (wow moderation earned-class) The old soldier is a friend !!!!!! fellow
    2. aironfirst
      aironfirst 18 February 2012 21: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Nilf-gaard
      -And nothing at all that we had half of the radio equipment for the union produced? I am silent about aviators and cosmonauts in general.

      But what about the fact that these plants were built by the whole Union?
      but in general it’s right when there is nothing to say, it’s better to keep silent.
      Quote: Nilf-gaard
      Collective farmers are perfectly led to this

      For collective farmers, I’ll say: these are people whom you, probably, do not know the PRICE of bread (not to be confused with the price tag), misconceive.
  • smile
    smile 18 February 2012 21: 24 New
    +9
    Guys, in the late nineties I read in the Lithuanian press that, according to the calculations of their special parliamentary commission (specially created), we owed them 162 billion dollars. The crisis, however ... And the article is good and absolutely true, it’s a pity that such press does not appear in our press. By the way, Latvia and Estonia never had their own statehood (before the October Revolution), Lithuania began to possess its three main cities only thanks to the USSR - we took away Kaunas (kovno) and Vilnius (Vilno) from the Poles (in return we gave them 2/3 of East Prussia) ), Klaipeda (Memel) - among the Germans (the Germans laid down this city). Where thanks When Lithuanians condemn the Moscow Treaty with foam at the mouth (For propaganda purposes, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was called during the Cold War, after all, the Poles and Germans didn’t name the exact same treaty, only from 1934, the Jozef Bek-Ribbentrop Pact), it would be useful to recall that since they condemn him so much - it’s time to put an end to the damned legacy of the communist past and restore historical justice - to return the city to its true owners. And in general, it is not out of place for us to count the investments in their economy and the development of a completely illiterate population - after all, over time they will try to sue us in the international court - after all, the European Parliament has not just equalized us with the Nazis, and there are already close to reparations .. for some reason I don’t believe in the impartiality of the international court .. why would it?
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 18 February 2012 21: 59 New
      +5
      Well done smile - keep raising ... Poland is generally overgrown - this country in its current form was made by Stalin by giving it territories that they NEVER owned - western Pomerania, Celesia and 2/3 of East Prussia - that is, about 25-30% of the territory of former Germany ... And they are still unhappy with something - let them then give it back ... good
      By the way, during the partition of Czechoslovakia, Poland also snatched a piece for itself - for some reason they keep silent about it ...
      Historically, Poland for Russia was even a greater enemy than Germany - they now again took up the old ...
      1. smile
        smile 18 February 2012 22: 22 New
        +6
        Thanks for the addition. By the way, a little joke from my family tree - I'm a quarter Pole. Grandmother had numerous relatives, ethnic Poles, before the war they lived in the suburbs of Vilno. They hated the Russians, despised the Lithuanians, the Germans did the same, but at the same time they were afraid. At the beginning of 1945, her grandmother married her grandfather .. In full force left for Poland in 1945 ... Until 1971, her relatives did not communicate with her grandmother, what about a double crime - not only did she marry a Soviet officer, also for the Ukrainian !!!! The Ukrainians of the Poles are also not happy with something ... (well, it’s clear to us, but the format does not allow us to write about it). We’re talking now, they don’t hide their views, and from this conversation (as well as from talking with neighbors of my relatives and the Polish press), I concluded that they, like Mamba, hate everyone)))). Unless the empire of goodness is respected, and only because now, thanks to the ... oh ... Americans, in their opinion, Poland will take Germany's place in Europe ... panopticon, they really believe in it !!!!
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 18 February 2012 22: 39 New
          +4
          My ancestors were Polish nobles too, but that’s not the point - the matter is the current attitude of Poles and politicians of Poland towards their eastern neighbors - it seems to me to be somehow more friendly and able to build normal relations even with former enemies - this is Finland an example - they only won from normal relations with the Union and Russia.
          1. smile
            smile 18 February 2012 22: 47 New
            +1
            You are absolutely right!
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 19 February 2012 06: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Selevc
        By the way, during the partition of Czechoslovakia, Poland also snatched a piece for itself - for some reason they keep silent about it ...

        to say that they were accomplices in the outbreak of WW2 is a shame and does not fit in with the "real" history, as taught in Europe. They also know that it was with the Soviet-German treaty that 2MB began. And here - the victim, together with his executioner, shares the corpse of the third
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 21 February 2012 20: 54 New
      0
      Short memory of the Nazis. I never would have thought that the Balts would fall so low before the fascization of their society.
  • Nilf-gaard
    Nilf-gaard 18 February 2012 21: 54 New
    +2
    But what about the fact that as a nation, Latvians, Estonians and others appeared only in the 19th century, and then thanks to the Russian Tsar?
    1. Reks
      Reks 18 February 2012 22: 00 New
      +3
      yes at Finikov (Finland) .... there is a monument to our tsar. And there’s no need to break into NATO and there are no claims to Russia ..... Well, they’re just going to Peter drinks
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 18 February 2012 22: 23 New
        +4
        Dates in general are great fellows — that’s who needs to learn how to build diplomatic relations with the former enemy — they fought with the Union, lost part of the territory and do not scream to the whole world like the Baltic states and Poland about their resentment towards their eastern neighbor ... They live quietly and prosper .. .
    2. motors
      motors 20 February 2012 14: 27 New
      -2
      As a united nation, the Letts (I suppose and Estonians) began the formation of the 16-17th centuries.
      The attitude of the Laticea to the king is ambiguous. Since at the end of the 19th century in the Baltic States they began to carry out Russification, it was not taken into account in Latvian and so on.
      1. funt12
        funt12 20 February 2012 18: 57 New
        +1
        Do not confuse modern Russia (even though it is the successor of the USSR) and the Stalinist regime from which not only Latvians, Lithuanians, Moldavians, etc., but also Russians themselves suffered, after so many years, remembering only bad things does no honor to anyone.
      2. Denis
        Denis 21 February 2012 12: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: motors
        in the Baltic States began to carry out Russification - it was not taken into account in Latvian, and so on.

        and the Nazis, who are small but "proud" (it would be nice to replace them with another more characteristic adjective), with joy and with all their might rushed the six began to intensively develop the language and culture?
        they didn’t consider them to be people
        in a bad Soviet school a Latvian taught and did not yap
  • 755962
    755962 18 February 2012 22: 00 New
    0
    About this in our village they say: "Small bug, but smelly."
  • APASUS
    APASUS 18 February 2012 22: 01 New
    +6
    I can’t wait for the Baltic countries (which were part of the Swedish Empire) to bill Russia for the Battle of Poltava !!! There will probably be more dividends there.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 18 February 2012 22: 10 New
      +2
      Yes, it’s better then to invoice the Mongols for a 200-year-old yoke ... Already for 200 years they have done things .... Well, let them pay tribute back - with interest - a lot has come over 600 years :))))
      1. Tambovskiy volk
        Tambovskiy volk 18 February 2012 22: 15 New
        -6
        Quote: Selevc
        Yes, it’s better then to invoice the Mongols for the 200-year-old yoke ...

        Tatars, Buryats, Bashkirs ... lol
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 19 February 2012 09: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Selevc
        Yes, it’s better then to invoice the Mongols for the 200-year-old yoke

        Dear, did you read the article? ........... so take it and read it!
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 19 February 2012 13: 55 New
          -1
          Dear - I read it - but you, in my opinion, are not quite up to date with the issues discussed - follow the dialogs !!!
    2. alex popov
      alex popov 20 February 2012 19: 55 New
      +1
      Bolt them for the whole physiognomy. Recommended Peter the Great bought this territory from Sweden “for eternal possession” for several million gold thalers. Nekhay return and enjoy their independence to the fullest.))
  • Nilf-gaard
    Nilf-gaard 18 February 2012 22: 07 New
    +6
    Reks,
    But it doesn’t mean there to maintain the degree of Russophobia. There recently, a survey was conducted of whom the Finns dislike most. The Russians are in the first place, although they should not be taken for clean information. This is the media. But the fact that they respect the tsar is a fact. Try to spoil the monument will be torn.
    But here at the Freedom Monument, the British, so beloved by our government, pardon me constantly!)))
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 18 February 2012 22: 31 New
      +5
      This shows the true attitude of the British towards the Baltic states ... However, in Ukraine it is almost the same ... For Western Europe - Eastern European countries have always been and will be Scythia or a wild field ... I am sure that most of them, even on the map, are really neither Ukraine nor Latvia will not be shown good good
    2. Reks
      Reks 18 February 2012 22: 36 New
      +1
      ...... it would be surprising that everyone loves. Yes, and if you approach the issue (Russophobia) comprehensively, then there are a lot of components and, everyday (reasons) I think more ... we also like to drink drinks Gopnik and gangsters ... where without them .. contribute to this ...... Personally, I am loyal to the Baltic states ... I think that ... eh ... politicians muddied all the water in the river ...
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 19 February 2012 20: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Nilf-gaard
      But here at the monument to freedom, so beloved by our government, the British piss constantly

      Well, what did you expect, because your mother (Russia) warned you, for the Anglo-Saxons we are all subhuman
    4. motors
      motors 19 February 2012 23: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Nilf-gaard
      Russophobia.



      Well, tell me- Where did you meet Russophobian sentiments in the same Latvia?
      1. urzul
        urzul 20 February 2012 13: 09 New
        0
        But what about your know-how, your passport is not a citizen ?? Is this not Russophobia?
        1. motors
          motors 20 February 2012 14: 22 New
          -1
          No, because
          1.This is unresponsive only in Russian
          2. Citizenship is easy to get an exam in the Latvian language, stories. If Zhivosh in the country for a few years + free programs for those who wish to learn language, where is the problem?
          And many have already gone through naturalization and, as citizens, have successfully integrated into societies. Even in the service of the army, the police, nobody shares no one according to the national nast. And in Latvia it is very spread the mixing of the family. Of course, if there is no dwelling then Nestanish citizens

          3. For non-citizens, the sole restriction is the right to vote, but as for the rest, all rights to education, culture are the same for citizens. Even less obeisances. For example, the non-citizen was uninjured in the army.
          1. bob
            bob 20 February 2012 17: 45 New
            +1
            all Baltic shit. dick them spelled and not 28 billion
          2. Sandov
            Sandov 21 February 2012 21: 03 New
            +1
            Non-citizens do not have the right to vote, they cannot solve issues of general living arrangements, even a passport is not the same as that of the main ethnic group.
  • savelij
    savelij 18 February 2012 22: 51 New
    +6
    The Soviet Union was built in Lithuania from 1945 to 1991

    1-Cities
    2-Built roads and highways
    3-Paved oil and gas pipelines
    4-Electricity paved, each house had electricity
    5-paved railway tracks
    6-Built hospitals and clinics
    7-built schools
    8-Built sports centers and bassins with libraries
    9-Created collective farms
    10-Built universities, technical schools, dormitories for students
    11-built airports
    12-built the Mazeikiai Oil Refinery, Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant and a bunch of other businesses
    13-From 1945 to 1990, the population of Lithuania increased by 1 million 300 thousand people, from 1990 to 2009 decreased by 400 thousand

    Where were the Lithuanians at that time? rested in Siberia?
    1. alex popov
      alex popov 20 February 2012 19: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: savelij
      Where were the Lithuanians at that time? rested in Siberia?

      A rhetorical question.
      Since you will not get a clear answer to it, wait for the next portion of political agitation. (
  • lBEARl
    lBEARl 18 February 2012 23: 04 New
    0
    Greetings to all! I have been following the news on the site for a long time. Registered only today.
    In continuation of the topic, I propose to think about: from whom and for what we can demand money ... maybe the state will also benefit from our resource: we have a lot of money for what-thread, and we tell them: you owe us .. a hundred times more))) )))). Here, with my forests, I propose to bill Latvia for the air that their population breathes (no matter how our forest in percentage terms in any country enriches the air with oxygen)))) How much will we evaluate ?!)))
  • lBEARl
    lBEARl 18 February 2012 23: 06 New
    +4
    Greetings to all! I have been following the news on the site for a long time. Registered only today.
    In continuation of the topic, I propose to think about: from whom and for what we can demand money ... maybe the state will also benefit from our resource: we have a lot of money for what-thread, and we tell them: you owe us .. a hundred times more))) )))). Here, with my forests, I propose to bill Lithuania for the air that their population breathes (no matter how our forest in percentage terms in any country enriches the air with oxygen)))) How much will we evaluate ?!)))
  • Mahamont
    Mahamont 19 February 2012 00: 10 New
    +1
    Destroy industry and agriculture in order to spread to the west, shout about indemnities without taking out from your mouth .. strange people.
  • Nilf-gaard
    Nilf-gaard 19 February 2012 00: 12 New
    +2
    aironfirst,
    But what about the fact that these plants were built by the whole Union?
    but in general it’s right when there is nothing to say, it’s better to keep silent.

    But I'm not saying that this is the merit of one.
    You said that there was no benefit from the Baltic states, this is not true and insulting.
    If you don’t know, look at how many aviators and astronauts we have learned.

    For collective farmers I’ll say: these are people whom you, probably, do not know the PRICE of bread (not to be confused with the price tag), misconceive

    They represent that they sold all the land to the bourgeoisie. They got loans to build hotels for tourists (they’ll guess it), they were in debt. they said "Russians are coming, save the Latvian !!!!" and he goes to vote for those who robbed and beat them. And what to call it?
  • Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 19 February 2012 00: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Ziksura

    There is a solution: a few years to pay as little attention to them as possible — all their screams will turn into whining — a few more: they will be silent — a few more: according to a nod.

    Here! I subscribe to every word! good
  • Patos89
    Patos89 19 February 2012 01: 16 New
    +2
    Yeah, then Russia should pay the Mongols, the French, the Germans, well, at all rubbish