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Shoigu: Frigates like Admiral Gorshkov will become the basis of the fleet

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Naval Replenishment Issues fleet Russia’s new courts were discussed today at a meeting of the board of the Ministry of Defense. There were five issues on the agenda, including the completion of tests of the head frigate Admiral Gorshkov and the implementation of the presidential decrees in May.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 21 2017 19: 10
    +3
    FRIGATE Fleet Base ????? What does it mean? What is the ocean fleet we have not yet seen? We will huddle to our shores.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS April 21 2017 19: 58
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      FRIGATE Fleet Base ????? What does it mean? What is the ocean fleet we have not yet seen? We will huddle to our shores.

      And what are these border guards?
      Project 22350 frigates are multipurpose frigates of the far sea zone being built for the rearmament of the Russian Navy.
      Full speed - up to 29 knots. Cruising range - 4000 nautical miles
    2. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And April 21 2017 21: 44
      +1
      He said:
      в the nearest run should become

      In addition, the frigates of this series are going to build on a modified project, with increased displacement. So far, an increase of 1100 tons has been reported, but in the process there may be more, who knows.
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 April 22 2017 08: 41
      +2
      what And who was the basis of the Soviet fleet?
    4. 11 black
      11 black April 22 2017 09: 30
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      FRIGATE Fleet Base ????? What does it mean? What is the ocean fleet we have not yet seen? We will huddle to our shores.

      Well, that’s right - there’s no point in the ocean fleet, and giving up Leaders and Storms is a thousand tanks and a hundred aircraft.
      The only reason is to build the 1 AB and 1-2 Leader, only without harm to the ground forces and aviation, in order to maintain the scientific potential and technology until better times, I don’t see any more sense ...
      Let's be honest - in the NATO ocean, we can’t defeat any fleet, the USSR could not do this, and the fleet’s only task is to provide a safe area for our SSBNs, which can be dealt exclusively with submarine forces (7 Yasenei and 15-20 Kalin can to do without the participation of the surface fleet) working under pack ice.
      And as a “scarecrow” for mattresses in Middle-earth or even where the Gorshkovs are enough, and if a war happened they wouldn’t let Petya go to the AUG ... that is, even the surface Navy of the USSR could act only from a tracking position, and then it makes sense in this fleet .. .SSSR sadly finished, not least because of exorbitant military spending, even where they were not so important.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 22 2017 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: 11 black
        even the surface navy of the USSR could act only from a tracking position

        Did you take part in this yourself? Or do you draw conclusions from what you read?
        Quote: 11 black
        The USSR sadly ended, not least because of exorbitant military spending, even where they were not so important.

        The USSR sadly ended because of the wives of high-ranking communists who wanted the same fur coat, as well as a mantle and a hat like that of Nancy Reagan!
        1. 11 black
          11 black April 22 2017 11: 01
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          Did you take part in this yourself? Or do you draw conclusions from what you read?

          I draw conclusions from the facts - NATO surface fleet ,sorry, surface fleet I’d spread any enemy along the bottom of the sea ... and now nothing has changed
          Quote: Serg65
          The USSR sadly ended because of the wives of high-ranking communists who wanted the same fur coat, as well as a mantle and a hat like that of Nancy Reagan!

          Well, yes - this is a famous mantra ... It turns out that the superpower was ruined by the hat Nancy Reagan - did not know laughing
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 22 2017 12: 02
            +3
            Quote: 11 black
            I draw conclusions from the facts

            From what facts. my young friend?
            Quote: 11 black
            NATO’s surface fleet, I'm sorry, any enemy’s surface fleet would have spread across the bottom of the sea

            The presence of at least one Soviet ship in a friendly port of one of the conflicting parties dramatically changed the operational situation in the area. Here are the facts!
            On the 6.07.1967 of the year, the arrival of the Voronezh Komsomolets BDK with a landing on board sharply reduced the activity of the Israeli Air Force in Port Said.
            October 1973 of the year, as a result of the "exercises" of the 5 th OPEsk 3 AUG, the US was forced to leave the eastern Mediterranean, and the crisis caused by the Doomsday War ended.
            April 1986, Operation Eldorado Canyon during which the Americans were about to end Gaddafi. Exercises conducted by the USSR Navy in Sidra Bay with the agenda "Preparing and conducting hostilities to destroy enemy carrier groups during the first fleet operation using conventional and nuclear weapons" extended the life of the Libyan leader until 2011. (your humble servant was personally involved in these teachings)
            Quote: 11 black
            It turns out that the superpower was ruined by a hat Nancy Reagan - did not know

            bully and you thought that the Soviet Union ruined the shortage of toilet paper?
            1. 11 black
              11 black April 22 2017 13: 14
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              From what facts. my young friend?


              Let’s take the reference point as the end of WWII - ok, the destroyers of the USSR fleet were the base - so we stock up on popcorn, so:

              US destroyers: 1944 to 1950
              Goering Type: 98 Ships
              Evarts Type: 70 Ships
              Canon Type: 72 Ship
              Edsell Type: 85 Ships
              Buckley Type: 108 Ships

              We pass to the US destroyers built in the 50's and 60's:
              John Butler - Xnumx Ship
              Daily - Xnumx Ships
              Forrest Sherman - 18 Ships
              Kunz - 10 ships
              Charles F Adams - Xnumx Ship

              Seventies:
              Spruance - 31 ship + 4 Kidd destroyers based on them

              And finally, from the 90's, the 64 destroyer (in fact of the light missile cruiser) Arly-Burke came into operation.

              The list does not include a number of ships built in small series (up to ten).
              The situation with cruisers / battleships / aircraft carriers is even more depressing ...

              As for the episodes you mentioned - this is not about the military power of the fleet, but about the fact of its presence - with the same success Gorshkov can enter the port and the result will be the same.
              As for the exercises, the same Gorshkov, equipped with missiles with special warheads and located in the tracking position, will be no less dangerous for the United States in closed waters than the group of ships you mentioned above, and in the ocean, I repeat, they will not allow anyone to even approach the ACG .

              PS if where I made a mistake in the list, then correct, it was too lazy to print it))
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 22 2017 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      The base of the fleet FRIGATES ?????

      I think it’s not so ... there is a frigate of project 22350, and the project of the "frigate" 22350M, which will add a thousand tons in displacement, is already under discussion. In essence, it will be a light destroyer. Which will be the basis of the ocean fleet.
      I believe that both ships of project 22350 and its larger version, 22350M, will be built.
      Perhaps, after the release of a small series of the 22350M project, there will be a laying of the Leader destroyer with a gas turbine with a displacement of 8-10 thousand tons. hi
  2. Bronevick
    Bronevick April 21 2017 20: 29
    +1
    According to the project, the Leader even OCD was postponed until 2025, so if the first ship appears in the year 2040, it will be seen by our generation.
  3. barabaner
    barabaner April 21 2017 21: 37
    +1
    The country of the 3-th world is only frigates and can do it. Yes, and then with difficulty.
    1. commbatant
      commbatant April 21 2017 22: 41
      +1
      The Israeli Navy does not have frigates at all (there are three corvettes “Eilat”, “Lahav”, “Hanit”), these are the largest ships, the rest is only boats ....
      In July 2006, an anti-ship missile C-802 was launched into the Khanit corvette, which took part in the Israeli blockade of Lebanese ports.
      IDF finds bodies of missing sailors aboard damaged Navy ship
      1. 11 black
        11 black April 22 2017 09: 42
        +1
        Quote: barabaner
        The country of the 3-th world is only frigates and can do it. Yes, and then with difficulty.

        Yes - I sympathize with Israel ... you hold on there, being a third world country is not a reason to despair laughing

    2. ssergn
      ssergn April 22 2017 10: 03
      +1
      And do you have many frigates?
      Quote: barabaner
      The country of the 3-th world is only frigates and can do it. Yes, and then with difficulty.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS April 22 2017 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: barabaner
      The country of the 3-th world is only frigates and can do it. Yes, and then with difficulty.

      I specifically looked at what the Israeli Navy and manufactured products are, and it turned out that apart from the Saar-4,5 missile boat, you aren’t releasing anything, of which only 2 were added to the fleet of the AKHI Kherev on May 8, 2002 and the AKI Sufa "May 24, 2003, and the rest are old men.
      Corvette type "Saar 5" to be built in the United States, the submarine type "Dolphin" has German roots.
      What are you kind about?
      What kind of frigates you mentioned there ................
  4. Dmitry Dmitry
    Dmitry Dmitry April 22 2017 02: 52
    +2
    Quote: barabaner
    The country of the 3-th world is only frigates and can do it. Yes, and then with difficulty.

    The representative of the country whose fleet, in its entirety, can fight in a yard pool, said. Your opinion is very important to us.
  5. andy.v.lee
    andy.v.lee April 22 2017 18: 23
    +1
    There was a good series of articles here on this subject: “Shipbuilding Program of the Navy of the Russian Federation, or Very Bad Premonition” in four parts.
    And there are many types now, of which there is no need, why the number of units suffers. It’s not clear how many corvettes are already, or 5, or 6 types.
    Also today there is no doctrine of the fleet, which is why the construction program should be developed.
  6. exo
    exo April 23 2017 19: 19
    0
    In fact, the fate of the construction of large warships has been decided. It is especially hard to read after news from China. In fact, China has risen in just 20 years. And the starting advantages were by no means much better than ours.
  7. exo
    exo April 26 2017 14: 55
    0
    Here, a good article about the fate of the "Leader":
    https://www.dp.ru/a/2017/04/25/JEsminec_uhodit_v_
    mist2