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Development of a tethered aviation platform has begun

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The Institute of Control Problems named after Trapeznikov began the development of a multifunctional unmanned tethered high-altitude platform with a long duration of flight, reports RIA News citing a source in the Russian defense industry.

The basis for the development of a new product is the developed technology of transferring high-power energy from a ground-to-point drone to high-power copper conductors of small section. The platform used is a multi-rotor unmanned aerial vehicle of helicopter type,
- Said the source agency.
According to him, in fact, the duration of the flight of such a device depends only on the supply of electricity from the ground by wire and the wear of the drone parts.



The complex includes a ground-based energy conversion station, a Kevlar-based cable cable with three copper conductors of small cross section for transmitting electric power to the UAV for powering electric motors and equipment for the payload of a drone, fiber-based cable for high-speed information transmission, and a helicopter unmanned vehicle such as a multi-rotor circuit, equipped with an onboard flight control and stabilization system and a GLONASS / GPS-based navigation system.
The power of electricity transmitted from land to board - up to 20 kilowatts. The device can lift the payload with a mass up to 30 kilogram to a height of up to 300 meters. The ground-based component of the system in a mobile version may include a mobile power station with a power of 100 kilowatts, with a residential module on the KAMAZ 43114 chassis, or in the field - a diesel power station with a power of 25-30 kilowatts.

The deployment time of the complex is no more than 10 minutes. The system allows operation at temperatures from –50 to + 50 degrees Celsius. The device can fly at wind loads up to 15 meters per second.

This system can be used in communication systems and to ensure the security of military facilities, as well as the Border Guard Service, where it can be used to monitor the state border.
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yandex.ru/images ›tethered type UAV
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  1. cniza
    cniza April 19 2017 16: 27
    +7
    The deployment time of the complex is no more than 10 minutes. The system allows operation at temperatures from –50 to + 50 degrees Celsius. The device can fly at wind loads up to 15 meters per second.


    It sounds like a fantasy. Successes.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 19 2017 16: 37
      +4
      Quote: cniza
      It sounds like a fantasy. Successes.

      Yes, here it was. Armata with a similar UAV
      1. elmi
        elmi April 19 2017 19: 07
        +1
        high-power energy transfer from a ground station to a drone through small-sized copper conductors

        Surely the weather conditions will interfere with the work, for example, strong winds, given the total cable length. Plus there is a low chance of bird collisions
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 April 19 2017 19: 25
          +1
          The complex includes a ground-based energy conversion station, a Kevlar-based cable with three small cross-section copper conductors for transferring electricity to the UAV

          With three copper conductors - is it possible that the UAV engines are powered by a three-phase current? Maybe there are asynchronous motors? And where then to get zero on the equipment? Or the function of zero will be performed by the cable on which this drone is attached. But does the Kevlar from which the cable is made have electrical conductivity?
          1. Grim Reaper
            Grim Reaper April 19 2017 22: 08
            +4
            it turns out UAV engines powered by a three-phase current?
            Quite. Cheap and cheerful.
            Maybe there are asynchronous motors?
            Why not. SIFU. Frequency converters.
            And where then to get zero on the equipment?
            And for what? Zero is for a single-phase network.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 20 2017 00: 24
          +1
          Quote: elmi
          Surely the weather conditions will interfere with the work, for example, strong winds, given the total cable length. Plus there is a low chance of bird collisions

          Objections are not serious! All this is "solved"!
    2. gorgo
      gorgo April 19 2017 16: 39
      +5
      And what's fantastic? Helicopter on a wire? ... I generally wonder why this has not been done before .... I also understand when it flies on batteries, it should be oriented, and the satellite should be caught, and some kind of payload, and so that this energy would be enough for everything even any decent flight time, at least about an hour ... Yes, it’s difficult ... And then ... well, a helicopter hangs in the sky ... I don’t see any problems with power from the ground - everything can be done. .. No, the thing itself is useful, as for me, but ... why didn’t they do this before? Are such technologies right there incredible? What kind?
      1. Reviews
        Reviews April 19 2017 17: 39
        +2
        Quote: gorgo
        why didn’t they do this before? Are such technologies right there incredible? What kind?


      2. Maverick78
        Maverick78 April 19 2017 18: 20
        +3
        Power up to 20 kW. .. wow posting. ..
        1. Tersky
          Tersky April 19 2017 19: 58
          +4
          Quote: Maverick78
          Power up to 20 kW. .. wow posting. ..

          And where does the power and wire? It is enough to transmit high-voltage electricity. The higher the voltage, the lower the current, and accordingly the thinner the conductor. We lower the voltage at the end of the conductor with the help of a tr-ra and at its output we obtain the required power.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 April 19 2017 21: 09
            +1
            That is also a 20kVA trans on board to place ... no, well, of course they know better
            1. Niccola Mack
              Niccola Mack April 20 2017 03: 59
              +1
              Ie also trans on 20kVA on board to place

              Have you ever heard of switching power supplies?
              Those who are now the vast majority in the equipment.
              1. Loki_2
                Loki_2 April 25 2017 11: 04
                0
                20 kV pulse circuit in the studio! Have you definitely ever designed high voltage circuits?
                1. Niccola Mack
                  Niccola Mack April 25 2017 12: 12
                  0
                  Have you definitely ever designed high voltage circuits?

                  Never (only in his youth, the circuit of radio-frequency receivers and transmitters), but often repaired!
                  And you, judging by the fact that you confuse reactive power with voltage, are far from this.
        2. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper April 19 2017 21: 47
          +2
          An ordinary cable 3x6 square if you take 0.4 kV for the eyes is enough. And his weight will be ... well, 100 pounds for a maximum of 300 meters.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 April 19 2017 22: 16
            +1
            This is if 3 phases then yes ... and 0? And I'm not sure about the weight. + sailing. .. in general, it should be an apparatus with a carrying capacity per ton
          2. Loki_2
            Loki_2 April 25 2017 11: 06
            0
            3x6 square no dissonance with a line: with three small copper conductors
            Although the concept of a small section for everyone has their own ...
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 19 2017 16: 43
      +3
      No fiction. The Germans managed to supply fuel for the UAV tethered.
    4. Reviews
      Reviews April 19 2017 17: 08
      0
      Quote: cniza
      The deployment time of the complex is no more than 10 minutes. The system allows operation at temperatures from –50 to + 50 degrees Celsius. The device can fly at wind loads up to 15 meters per second.

      It sounds like a fantasy. Successes.

      Nothing fantastic.
  2. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids April 19 2017 16: 30
    +5
    Now in the American DAPRA weeping nervously, this is their hobby is the creation of meaningless and useless military or quasi-military developments, and then Russia bypassed them in this project on the turn.
    1. andr327
      andr327 April 19 2017 16: 39
      +1
      Obviously useless and complex device. but how beautiful it looks at the exhibition, everything is clear, amusing., but what for is not necessary.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 19 2017 16: 44
        +3
        And what is complicated and even more useless here ???
        1. Arzoo
          Arzoo April 19 2017 17: 04
          +3
          For border guards, the thing is very useful.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 19 2017 17: 26
            +4
            Quote: Arzoo
            For border guards, the thing is very useful.

            Not only to them.
            For example, it is necessary to raise a fairly heavy reconnaissance. equipment.
            Aircraft-type UAVs with large payloads are tied to airfields
            Heavy multicopter and helicopter-type UAVs have too small battery capacity for long flight and power supply of equipment.

            Mounted UAVs are a great solution. At least until the invention of really capacious and lightweight batteries.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat April 19 2017 18: 59
              +5
              Well, use tethered mini balloons! why the hell did you spend energy on rotation? stupidly heating air will cost a hundred times more economical!
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 19 2017 21: 08
                +1
                Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                Well, use tethered mini balloons!

                Time. Hang them longer and lower them longer. Safety balloons - exclusively for "hospitals"
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat April 19 2017 22: 09
                  0
                  You as a military think narrowly, strictly within the framework, you already have balloons (in the form of plates) held by hot air and / or helium but have engines for maneuvering, i.e. Returning to this “development”, we combine both the lifting speed and the cost-effectiveness of hovering. But in any case, this is a useless development, because from a tactical point of view it is useless, since it provides only one point of view and it is impossible to look around the corner, it is much more practical to use a TEU module with a UAV (30-50pcs), a generator, a quick battery change and a control panel , all this on the radius of action
                  small radius - sniper distance (1-2km)
                  average radius - distance of the ptur (5-10km)
                  far radius - 10-30km
                  In such a TEU, you can also use a similar kite, but only for communication at a mid-far radius ...
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov April 19 2017 22: 18
                    0
                    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                    Shovels you as a military think narrowly, strictly within

                    Time, respected TIME. A tethered drone can be raised in seconds. Aerostat - dozens of minutes.
                    The same is true for the descent and bringing the vehicle to the stowed position.


                    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                    as it provides only one viewpoint and it is impossible to look around the corner

                    To make it easier for the enemy to bring him down? I went to Defense update yesterday- 4 articles almost in a row about anti-drone counteraction complexes
                    Damn, why aren’t you opposing a bunch of completely stationary monitoring devices? Also "useless"?
                    1. ProkletyiPirat
                      ProkletyiPirat April 19 2017 22: 37
                      0
                      Time, respected TIME. A tethered drone can be raised in seconds. Aerostat - dozens of minutes.

                      LOPATOV please read my post again! this is not a balloon! This is a hybrid of a multirotor and a thermo plan!
                      To make it easier for the enemy to bring him down?

                      They even shoot down invisible missiles and planes, but it’s better to lose a couple of UAVs worth $ 100 than the convoy will be ambushed and destroyed ...
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov April 19 2017 22: 44
                        0
                        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                        LOPATOV please read my post again! this is not a balloon! This is a hybrid of a multirotor and a thermo plan!

                        And he does not have a shell that needs to be filled?

                        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                        but it’s better to lose a couple of UAVs

                        ... than not to lose them ... And what is better? For manufacturers it’s clear that they have income. What is better for the military?
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 20 2017 00: 30
                +1
                Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                Well, use tethered mini balloons! why the hell did you spend energy on rotation? stupidly heating air will cost a hundred times more economical!

                And the sizes? What about sailing? And the time to prepare for lifting and "cleaning" the spider?
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat April 20 2017 18: 40
                  0
                  clarity - form factor convex disk (ala UFO) google "thermoplane"
                  measurements - the inflated part folds up and does not take up much space
                  lifting and landing - it is similar to the multicopter from this article because the engines are the same, there is simply fuel saving due to heated air and aerodynamic shape (the principle of a kite)
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I April 21 2017 05: 44
                    +2
                    1. For any "form factor" of the erostat there will be more than a multicopter of a similar purpose! Though a “donut”, at least a “parallelepiped”; 2. If even the case is not of a rigid type, but a soft shell, then “extra” time is required (compared to the multicopter) first for “inflation” and then “inflation” lol 3. Because of the greater windage, maneuverability is deteriorating down to the unacceptable ...
                    1. ProkletyiPirat
                      ProkletyiPirat April 21 2017 13: 42
                      0
                      what maneuverability does a tethered drone have? I repeat does not require inflation for short work...
                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I April 21 2017 14: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                        what maneuverability does a tethered drone have?

                        The maneuverability necessary to follow the carrier (given that the carrier will not always move “in a straight line”, but also, for example, to perform a “maneuver of evasion”). Even if we consider the binding to a conditionally stationary “base”, then for increase the survivability of the "unit" will have to provide for the possibility of maneuvering in a certain range ...
                        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                        does not require inflation for short-term operation ...

                        belay What is it like? Maybe we call different balloons a balloon? Hurry up and tell you what genius Aerostat (!) Did, which does not require a working fluid to create lifting power ?!
              3. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A April 20 2017 08: 03
                +5
                Quote: Spade
                Mounted UAVs are a great solution.
                Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                Well, use tethered mini balloons! why the hell did you spend energy on rotation? stupidly heating air will cost a hundred times more economical!

                good What difference does it make that the one on the leash ...
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat April 20 2017 18: 27
                  0
                  include rational thinking, what is better to spend 100 liters of fuel per day or 5 liters, all other things being equal?
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A April 20 2017 20: 23
                    +5
                    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                    include rational thinking, what is better to spend 100 liters of fuel per day or 5 liters, all other things being equal?

                    THIS - I mean what is in the picture - Bumbarash from the film of the same name in "air reconnaissance". If you didn’t look, look. If you looked - reconsider, refresh in memory ... hi
      2. Reviews
        Reviews April 19 2017 17: 12
        +2
        Quote: andr327
        Obviously useless and complex device. but how beautiful it looks at the exhibition, everything is clear, amusing., but what for is not necessary.

        Everything is exactly the opposite. In the form as presented (on the basis of the whole KamAZ and for a long barrage right up to the wear of parts), it looks silly. A tethered UAV for a brief lift, quick reconnaissance and back hiding is a very useful contraption. For example, as part of a small unit: platoon / company, battery, etc.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 19 2017 17: 18
          +1
          Quote: Avis
          A tethered UAV for a brief lift, quick reconnaissance and back hiding

          For this, he has enough batteries.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews April 19 2017 17: 34
            +1
            Quote: Spade

            For this, he has enough batteries.

            This eats up the payload and increases the size (EPR) of the device.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 19 2017 17: 58
              +3
              Quote: Avis
              This eats up the payload and increases the size (EPR) of the device.

              You might think that the power cable is weightless ...
              8)))
              They will be the same as with the battery, and with the power cable. Just the second will be able to stay in the air indefinitely.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews April 19 2017 18: 15
                +1
                Quote: Spade

                You might think that the power cable is weightless ...
                8)))
                They will be the same as with the battery, and with the power cable.

                A three-hundred-meter cable will in no way weigh like a 20kW battery.
                And the cable does not add dimensions to the device.
                1. Yarr_Arr
                  Yarr_Arr April 19 2017 18: 44
                  +3
                  The article was about the technologists who created 1) a cable with good strength characteristics 2) a method of transferring energy through wires of small cross section 3) yes, and about the cross section of the carrier cable.
                  No more no less
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv April 19 2017 21: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Yarr_Arr
                    The article was about the technologists who created 1) a cable with good strength characteristics 2) a method of transferring energy through wires of small cross section 3) yes, and about the cross section of the carrier cable.
                    No more no less

                    Durable thin flexible cable created a very long time ago. Watch the shooting video of the Babies
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 19 2017 21: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Avis
                  A three-hundred-meter cable will in no way weigh like a 20kW battery.

                  More as it will be.

                  Quote: Avis
                  And the cable does not add dimensions to the device.

                  Adds. The larger the mass, the larger the size of the quadcopter.
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews April 20 2017 08: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: Avis
                    A three-hundred-meter cable will in no way weigh like a 20kW battery.

                    More as it will be.

                    How many? Both.

                    Adds. The larger the mass, the larger the size of the quadcopter.

                    The battery will add even more sizes. She is on board. Hefty and heavy.
    2. sancho
      sancho April 19 2017 16: 43
      +3
      apparently the redhead poked his stupid subject for huge loot.
    3. minus
      minus April 19 2017 16: 47
      +2
      Sawing, sawing and sawing again. One of the main commandments of capitalism. wassat
      Off-topic of course, but I can not help but write. On one of the main streets at the crossroads, curbs change. You kick the old one and it crumbles into components. And put them TWO years ago! But the builders in the courtyard of the house were tormented all day — they put up fencing of lawns and for this they had to dig holes. So, under the layer of earth were the old curbs, tentatively produced in 1973. And so bad luck, do not take the punch these curbs! They had to dig them out completely along the entire length ...
  3. Makarov
    Makarov April 19 2017 16: 30
    +1
    "National Corps" hung on the monument to Vatutin the plate "Executioner"

    On April 19, members of the "National Corps" hung a sign on the monument to the Soviet military commander Nikolai Vatutin with the inscription "The executioner destroyed by Ukrainian nationalists." This was reported by the press service of the party.

    The National Corps believes that Vatutin brought a lot of grief to the Ukrainian people, and preserving a monument to such a person in Kiev is unacceptable, especially in times of conflict with Russia. The police tried to convince the members of the "NK", but they continued to insist on their own.

    “We hung this plate so that people knew that this is really an executioner. And whatever the police would say that the process of decommunization is ongoing, ”said NK Speaker Nazar Kravchenko.

    Also, the National Corps said that “there should be no Soviet spirit” in Kiev, since Ukraine is being established as a “strong, free and independent state, ousting the Russian occupier from it.”

    Recall: on April 8, members of the National Corps blocked the Rossotrudnichestvo representative office in Kiev.

    (Http://sharij.net/81382)
    1. kirieeleyson
      kirieeleyson April 19 2017 16: 33
      +2
      and you yourself then VNA Ukraine or Russia, comrade Makarov?
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov April 19 2017 16: 42
        +5
        Quote: kirieeleyson
        and you yourself then VNA Ukraine or Russia, comrade Makarov?

        And what does it matter? He wrote everything correctly, Natsik insolently insolent. If you are interested, then I’m happy.
        1. kirieeleyson
          kirieeleyson April 19 2017 16: 45
          +4
          Quote: Pirogov
          And what does it matter?

          Well, for example, it’s difficult for me to travel for 3,5 km to Kiev to give these scumbags for all their tricks. When are you finally planning what is going on in the Danish kingdom?
          1. Verba
            Verba April 19 2017 16: 58
            +8
            Quote: kirieeleyson
            Well, for example, it’s difficult for me to travel for 3,5 km to Kiev to give these scumbags for all their tricks. When are you finally planning what is going on in the Danish kingdom?

            On the one hand, you are right! And on the other, what to give with bare hands? You all see very well that the Natsyks have any weapons and all permissiveness, which can not be said about the people.
          2. Pirogov
            Pirogov April 19 2017 17: 02
            +3
            Quote: kirieeleyson
            Well, for example, it’s difficult for me to travel for 3,5 km to Kiev to give these scumbags for all their tricks. When are you finally planning what is going on in the Danish kingdom?

            A leader is needed with strong eggs, then people will rise, and so it’s scattered to fork with machine guns, what's the point?
          3. Maverick78
            Maverick78 April 19 2017 18: 25
            +4
            This is certainly good to sell, but the Natsik will have the data on the same day ... from the same police ... where do you order the family?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 April 20 2017 16: 44
              0
              Everyone urgently needs to watch the trilogy about Maxim: 1) Maxim's Youth (1935), 2) Maxim's Return (1937), 3) Electoral Party (1938). And study, study and study again, and God forbid you, stupidly copy everything that is shown in the film.
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    1. Professor
      Professor April 19 2017 16: 41
      +6
      Quote: kirieeleyson
      those. Balloons are no longer urban and non-kosher?) I wang when this platform will be done. it will be already late for 20 years.

      No, not kosher. It’s not a kosher charge and a long time to deploy them, and there can be no talk of secrecy.

      The Israeli company Sky Sapience (Sky Sapience) is close to the start of serial production of a tethered reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) HoverMast-100 (HoverMast), capable for a long period of time to conduct reconnaissance in hover mode.

      In the transport position, the HoverMast-100 UAV is placed in a container with a diameter of 80 cm on the roof of a vehicle, ground robot, or ship. The kit can include up to four UAVs. The container is automatically opened "at the touch of a button" by the operator and HoverMast within 15 seconds. rises into the air to a height of 50 m.

      “HoverMast-100” uses two coaxial rotors of the opposite rotation for takeoff and landing and four additional control screws for stabilization and maneuvering. The device can perform tasks even in wind conditions at a speed of up to 25 knots.

      A 30-50 m cable provides power to the UAV systems directly from the vehicle or a separate generator. It is also used as a data channel to a ground control station. The device weighs 10 kg and can carry a payload of 6 kg, including electro-optical / IR sensors, laser target designators, radar, electronic intelligence tools.

      After the UAV assembly was completed in February 2012, the system passed complex tests. In September of that year, Sky Sapiens transferred HoverMast-100 to the command of the Israeli Ground Forces, which is the first customer of the UAV. It is assumed that after the completion of supplies for national customers, the company will begin selling UAVs to foreign customers..

      The use of HoverMast allows reconnaissance and MTR servicemen to conduct reconnaissance from behind cover, which reduces the likelihood of their detection and shelling by the enemy. As further directions for improving the UAV application concept, options for its installation on board robotic ground vehicles are considered.

      With the support of the Research and Development Department of the Israeli Ministry of Defense (MAFAT) and private investors, Sky Sapiens continues R&D to improve UAVs. Currently, three new samples of the HoverMast family are under development:

      - "HoverMast-120" allows you to transport a payload of a larger mass;
      - “HoverMast-Exo” (HoverMast-Exo) will be a stable platform designed for use on board ships and ensure port security (new materials and coatings are used in the design to withstand moisture and difficult weather conditions);
      - “HoverMast-C” is being developed specifically for use in the civilian sphere, including ensuring the safety of facilities, monitoring the situation, and ensuring the rule of law.

      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 19 2017 16: 48
        0
        Well, this scandal will "soar" with stealth technology?
        You know, the wires will be torn, and they will be put somewhere in a corner so that it does not interfere, as it happens)
        1. Professor
          Professor April 19 2017 16: 53
          +4
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          Well, this scandal will "soar" with stealth technology?
          You know, the wires will be torn, and they will be put somewhere in a corner so that it does not interfere, as it happens)

          And you try to make out her for a couple of kilometers.
          1. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson April 19 2017 17: 02
            +1
            Yes. good lighthouse, prof, we're joking. I watched this platform for a long time, everyone hoped that we would get away from balloons, otherwise I see some manic persistent stuffing on this topic in the last six months, and everyone was silent about making a heavy platform.
            1. Professor
              Professor April 19 2017 17: 09
              +2
              Quote: kirieeleyson
              Yes. good lighthouse, prof, we're joking. I watched this platform for a long time, everyone hoped that we would get away from balloons, otherwise I see some manic persistent stuffing on this topic in the last six months, and everyone was silent about making a heavy platform.

              Did you make out a couple of kilometers?
              This company is my neighbors, and the field in the video is my routine of morning jogging. There are a couple of companies that make tethered drones (I had an article about them). The truth is not based on Kamaz. wink
              Balloons are something else.


              PS
              Here is another tethered drone demonstrated at MAKS 2011.
              http://www.ato.ru/content/bespilotnik-na-privyazi
              1. corporal
                corporal April 20 2017 00: 21
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                UAV "HoverMast-100"

                I was pleasantly surprised by the movement of the car with the UAV released. I was reasoning about inertia about hospitals and checkpoints.

                Posting columns. Here is the first thing that comes to mind.
  5. minus
    minus April 19 2017 16: 33
    0
    A controversial and sooooo expensive solution.
  6. Soran
    Soran April 19 2017 16: 54
    0
    A similar thing was in the design of some British "stealth ship of the future"
    1. Reviews
      Reviews April 19 2017 17: 33
      0
      Quote: Soran
      A similar thing was in the design of some British "stealth ship of the future"

      "Similar thing" soon 3/4 century.

      Fa.330 Bachstelze

      And a little less similar - and in general a century is coming soon. These are tethered observation balloons on ships.
      But everything also remained in the experiments.
  7. Tatarin83
    Tatarin83 April 19 2017 17: 02
    +1
    How much will 300 meters of cable weigh?
  8. Operator
    Operator April 19 2017 17: 04
    +1
    300 meters of height with 30 kg payload - nothing.

    The only application is as a GPR carrier at a height of one meter above the ground for 50 meters in front of an engineering mine clearance vehicle.
  9. Reviews
    Reviews April 19 2017 17: 06
    +1
    Lord, what the hell ...
    high-altitude platform with long flight duration

    the flight duration of such an apparatus depends only on the supply of electricity from the ground via wires and the wear of the parts of the drone.

    payload weighing up to 30 kilograms to a height of 300 meters.

    "High" at a height of 300m is, of course, "strong" ...
    And what for a long flight on the rotor, if it is better to do a balloon?
    1. t7310
      t7310 April 19 2017 19: 21
      +1
      at the rotor in front of the balloon, the stealth-like advantage is inconspicuous; in peaceful life, a bright flashing beacon will be hung on the balloon, and here the secrecy
      1. minus
        minus April 19 2017 19: 54
        0
        And here you are very mistaken. Electric motors, power cables, etc. cannot be called elements with a small EPR. In this regard, a balloon is preferable. Visually, of course it will be more, easier to get .... Of course there are a lot of thoughts, you can write even more ... Only in case of a serious war neither ZhPS nor GLONASS will work !!! Well, I don’t like the craze for sophisticated communication, navigation and control systems. All this will be incapacitated ... Copper vapor and our lamps are all !!!
        And the more often we use “advanced” technologies, the more vulnerable we become. I do not want to recall the complete destruction of the bomb shelter system and other things. In an emergency, at present there is not even a system capable of conveying information to the public! Wired broadcasting is virtually destroyed, the introduction of modern technology in the field of wired telephony is also disastrous! Previously, each automatic telephone exchange had backup batteries and, with a complete power outage, communication remained. What do we see now in many cities? Fiber optic drives, it provides a high data transfer rate ... Only why the heck is this fiber, if in the absence of power supply this network will not work ???
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 21 2017 05: 24
          +2
          Lord! What are you talking about? belay Yes, why did you think that the batteries were canceled ?! Nobody canceled the electronics, and, therefore, the electrician! But at present, fully optical subsystems and even data transmission systems are being introduced in the WDM, DWDM standards .... photoelectronic converters of laser radiation received via a fiber optic line into electric power and so on are being tested.
    2. abc_alex
      abc_alex April 20 2017 12: 45
      +3
      And you imagine that it is tied to a car-tank. Or to an ACS battery providing machine. For a tank, a UAV lift of 100 meters will give a horizon of more than 40 kilometers. But this is not particularly necessary, right? Enough and 10 meters. At such a distance, the horizon will move 17 kilometers. Already this will give any tank an advantage over the enemy, as it will make the tank capable of effective horizontal destruction of targets. Balloon hanging 10 meters above the tank does this bother you? Then estimate the dimensions of such a balloon provided that the load is 30 kg. and the time it takes to inflate it with gas or heat.

      And for a self-propelled gun battery, such a thing will generally eliminate the need for spotters. From 300 meters, it will receive a viewing radius almost equal to the maximum firing range of the 155 mm howitzer.

      Moreover, mind you, replacing the copter with a balloon will still not save you from having to pull up the power cable for on-board equipment and the data fiber.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews April 20 2017 13: 02
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        Quote: abc_alex
        And you imagine that it is tied to a car-tank.

        And what should I imagine, I wrote about this elsewhere on the branch.

        raising the UAV by 100 meters will give a horizon of more than 40 kilometers. But this is not particularly necessary, right? Enough and 10 meters. At such a distance, the horizon will move 17 kilometers.
        Balloon hanging 10 meters above the tank does this bother you? Then estimate the dimensions of such a balloon provided that the load is 30 kg. and the time it takes to inflate it with gas or heat.

        35 km and 10 km, not what you wrote.
        And, most importantly, do not ascribe to me what I did not write, and brilliantly refute it. Read what specifically I quoted and what exactly it answered. Maybe then direct your wit into a more constructive channel.
  10. APASUS
    APASUS April 19 2017 18: 31
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    Maybe I didn’t understand something, why not use a helium balloon in the place of the UAV? Minimum mechanical parts, the system allows you to hang around for days without power
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 April 20 2017 00: 19
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      Quote: APASUS
      Maybe I didn’t understand something, why not use a helium balloon in the place of the UAV?

      An order of magnitude more cumbersome system (you can’t manage with two containers), imaginary simplicity (where to get helium from or warm air - means helium / propane cylinders, a balloon also needs to be controlled - means screws, transferring energy for the payload means cable, huge windage means greater dependence on weather, an order of magnitude less mobility and deployment / coagulation time
      1. Reviews
        Reviews April 20 2017 08: 21
        +1
        Quote: Winnie76
        the balloon also needs to be controlled - that means the screws

        The attached balloons sniffed offendedly.
        About mobility. A small balloon is quite mobile and inflates quickly. Take a look at, for example, Mr. Skyhook.
        Roundedly speaking, 1 cubic meter of helium raises 1 kg of payload. The ball is 4 m in diameter. That is, to lift 30 kg of PP requires 150 liters of helium compressed to 200 atm. How much does such a bottle hold there? 50l? In my opinion, acceptable. The shells are now no longer made from "guts", including, the pollution of the rising gas and / or its volatilization will not be so scary. Including, I think, gas can be pumped out of the ball many times. Don't like dear helium? Lighter gas doubles these parameters, that's all.
        And these cylinders occupy no more places than an entire power plant with a tank for hundreds of hours of operation of a helicopter UAV.
  11. Pacifist
    Pacifist April 19 2017 18: 43
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    Vague doubts gnaw me, and will a balloon platform not be easier?
    In it, after all, the cost of soaring is only gas, and everything else is optionally on the payload or sometimes screw-steering. Anything energetically more profitable in my opinion.
    1. zivXP
      zivXP April 19 2017 20: 49
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      Firstly, the secrecy disappears, secondly - a great dependence on weather conditions, thirdly, the preparation of the unit and output to the point takes a lot of time ...
      1. Pacifist
        Pacifist April 20 2017 09: 58
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        Debatable. As for secrecy, for sure, a balloon can be made from materials with radio absorption, and visually mask it with a deforming color. A large balloon is not needed to suspend a heat-video system. A multi-screw copter will loom in the sky in no way less noticeable. In addition, the sound.
        Here probably all the same it is worth deciding on the scope (tactics) of application. Then it will become clear what is more convenient and profitable. For MBT uniquely copter for strategists aerostat.
        And by the way, the weather dependence of a balloon is not much more than that of a copter.
  12. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 20 2017 00: 08
    +2
    Quote: gorgo
    Are such technologies right there incredible? What kind?

    Written in Russian
    The development of a new product is based on the developed technology for transferring high-power energy from small ground sections to ground aboard a drone.
    Making a helicopter on a leash is not tricky, but betraying 20 kilowatts is a problem. At leisure, figure out what section of a conventional wire is necessary for such power. and how much the bay of such a wire 300m long will weigh.
  13. jonht
    jonht April 20 2017 00: 26
    +1
    Modern anchoring and retention systems through positioning systems keep multi-ton vessels in a storm at a point, and therefore this pepelats is quite capable of keeping itself in a certain zone of permissible deviations even with a strong wind.
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 20 2017 00: 57
    +1
    This message is a balm for my soul! At one time I was proposing a draft tethered drone helicopter with control and transmission of electric power via a cable-cable. I sent a "project" to the editorial office of military (military-technical) magazines back in the "Soviet times" and ... "all in vain"! And only now, it happened! fellow Among the proposals were the use of an unmanned aerial vehicle in self-propelled anti-tank systems based on armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles (placing an unmanned aerial vehicle instead of a tower ...) to ensure the launch of anti-tank missiles from “closed positions”: and as part of the anti-radar missile systems to “deflect” anti-radar missiles, etc. You can try the multi-quadcopter platform for lifting the AFAR SAM ...
  15. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru April 20 2017 08: 18
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    The Kulibins and Lefthanders have not yet transferred to Russia! Not everyone bought the Anglo-Saxons, there are still patriots of their homeland !!!
  16. nikolai55soot
    nikolai55soot April 20 2017 08: 35
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    Half a year there is no response from the Minister of Transport R.F. Sokolov and the President, it seems my super idea is working (being tested): he is more formidable. As they say ; Moscow was not built right away .... Will watch ... .
  17. Nikolay Vozisov
    Nikolay Vozisov April 20 2017 09: 02
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    Everything is beautiful, BUT ... not fully thought out. Correctly, the video surveillance system shown is tied to one point. And what prevents us from raising the charger for a mobile quadrocopter with constantly working screws to a height of 300 m, the radius of action of which can be up to 10 km. He does not need to spend energy for lifting. And by the way, not one, ten can be operated on. THOSE. as the energy is spent, put another quadrocopter on a recharge. In addition to the online radio channel, during recharging, drain from it via a protected cable entry.
  18. Mentat
    Mentat April 20 2017 10: 51
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    Quote: andr327
    Obviously useless and complex device. but how beautiful it looks at the exhibition, everything is clear, amusing., but what for is not necessary.

    Obviously? Are you a specialist with such a broad outlook? An observation tower with a height of 300 m on a mobile chassis, of almost zero visibility, unfolds in 10 minutes, carries 30 kg, i.e. the whole range of surveillance equipment. Yes, obviously useless ...
    Useless ejections of letters in messages like yours.
  19. Pencil
    Pencil April 20 2017 10: 56
    +2
    Reminds "Electronic wristwatch with batteries in two suitcases." And by the way, I quote "The device can perform flying with a wind load of up to 15 meters per second. "Hanging, not flying. Yes, why does a flat tiltrotor have such a hefty storage container. Is there a launch pad, a launcher?))
  20. nikolai55soot
    nikolai55soot April 20 2017 13: 14
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    Not all at once - and after you find out - as they say.
  21. biznaw
    biznaw April 20 2017 15: 49
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    Isn’t it easier with an airship than with powered electric motors on a copter. In Israel, airships even hang radars.
  22. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander April 21 2017 23: 03
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    Here, kill, I don’t understand why the GLONAS / GPS unmanned aerial vehicle? For a red word? Or show the “coolness” of the developers of this “prodigy”? So the "steepness" at the level of stupidity directly rushing from all the cracks!
  23. Loki_2
    Loki_2 April 25 2017 11: 08
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    From a technical point of view, the article raises serious doubts about the adequacy of the author.