What is with the machine tool program in Russia?

In 2016, the subprogram “Development of the domestic machine tool industry and tool industry” of the Federal Target Program, which began its work in 2011, completed its operation. The subprogram (PP) was designed for a significant increase in the volume of the machine tool industry.

The curator of the implementation of these plans was the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

By the beginning of the implementation of PP in Russia, there were about a hundred machine-tool companies, the volume of products which barely covered a tenth (these are official indicators, and therefore could well have been embellished) the needs of the Russian economy in machine tools and other tools for creating industrial products with high added value. . For obvious reasons, such indicators clearly did not satisfy the requests that existed in relation to the Russian industrial production. It was necessary to undertake something in order to give the machine-tool industry in the country at least some kind of development impulse after two decades of constant decline.

The implementation of the subprogramme meant not only an increase in the number of domestic manufactured machines, but also the development of the entire machine-building complex, including R & D to develop the latest models in the machine-tool industry and the creation of new jobs at the industrial facilities of the machine-tool industry. The total funding for the implementation of this segment of the subprogrammes was assumed to be at the level of 50 billion rubles (by the time of the start of the implementation of the PP, about 1,7 billion US dollars). Of these, about 52% are funds from the federal budget.

The commencement of the implementation of the subprogramme at the “civilian” level actually coincided with the beginning of the implementation of plans to re-equip the Russian army. Initially, the development of the machine tool industry in the framework of the modernization program of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to 2020, provided for about 3 trillion rubles. The amount is more than serious, and it instilled significant optimism about the fact that the machine-tool industry in Russia will still go up, and very confidently.

What were the results of the PP “Development of the domestic machine-tool industry and tool industry”, which actually acted as part of a project for military-technical modernization? Let us try to figure it out.

And this is not easy at all, if only for the reason that the 2016 year ended more than 3,5 a month ago, and the data on the implementation of this part of the Federal Target Program for the year 2016 mentioned has not yet been consolidated and not officially presented. In this regard, it would seem, why run ahead - well, wait quite a bit, a week or two - you look, the responsible “comrades” will present a report on the implementation of the software on 2016 in particular, and for the 2011-2016 period as a whole. Here then it would be possible to analyze what is there with the machine tool program. But here's the catch - one could wait, if not for one remarkable nuance. On the site that publishes reports on the implementation of various kinds FTP, there is no summary data not only for the past, but even for the year before (2015) year! The question arises: but how is that? - How long to wait for reporting on the implementation of the “machine-tool” sub-program of the federal program?

The answer to this question in a somewhat veiled form is presented by the people who published reports on FTPs. It turns out that the sub-program under consideration, announced under the loud title “Development of the domestic machine-tool industry and tool industry,” actually ordered to live long in the 2014 year (at least, no reports since then). It was this year that the fervor of federal funding for PP came to naught, and the subprogramme itself, as a separate phenomenon of strategic importance, ordered to live long. Here is the schedule and table of budget financing and the so-called cash execution, which are currently hanging on the site. As you can see, the last 32 million rubles (which the program should not be the last) were allocated three years ago.

And this is the data on what specific plans for machine tool construction in the Russian Federation were being hatched by persons who created the paper version of the software, and what results the industry has come from.

Waiting for compilers of PP in terms of products manufactured at established production sites - 4,5 thousand by 2016 year. But reporting on the results for 2011-2016 years - zero point zero. That is, either the Ministry of Industry and Trade has no data on this, or there is data, but about them is either good or nothing ... Nothing so far ...

Waiting for the compilers of the PP on the power input at the established production sites for the production of developed technological tools of engineering production - 672 per year. This is a plan, but the fact and in this case there is no data for any of the subprogramme’s years of implementation.

For the period from 2011 to 2016, it was planned to create 17 new systems of high-tech components, providing the production of dual-use equipment. Performed from them - 9 (2012 and 2013 years).

Plans for the creation of computer-aided design, computing, modeling, technological preparation of production, life cycle support - 45. Performed by 26.

Plans for the creation of dual-use equipment systems for the manufacture of parts without machining - 22. Performed by 19.

Plans for the creation of instrumental systems - 14. Created by - 11.

There is, in fairness, and fulfilled, and even partially over-fulfilled plans. For example, the plans for the implementation of a project on the creation of forging and pressing machines with CNC related to dual-use process equipment (plan - 8, fact - 12) have been exceeded.

Reporting has been published for some time by the Department of State Targeted Programs and Capital Investments of the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia.

The study of the implementation of the subroutine leads to another interesting fact. The Federal Register of Government Contracts says that contractual plans were available for all years of the program’s term, but there was no real contracting for more than two years.

In the 2014 year, in which the last “trace” of reports on the Federal Targeted Program is taking place, the Minister of Industry and Trade announced that state investment in the industry will continue and be at the level of 5 billion rubles over the 2014-2016 period, while the level of private investment will increase to 10 billion rubles .

Denis Manturov:

Due to this, by 2020, the share of machine tools with numerical control in the domestic market in Russia will increase more than three times, which will contribute to the modernization of the industry and the development of a competitive Russian machine tool industry.

This is all great, but why wait for 2020, in order to announce the results that for some reason are missing in the reporting table for the implementation of the already completed subprogram? It is possible, because in the rating table of the main machine-tool states of the world, our country (with state programs and relevant ministries in charge of their implementation) is still in the top ten. And when she claimed the first place in the world ...

Against this background, there are individual enterprises that report on steadily growing profits from the production of machine-tool equipment.

In particular, the largest Russian machine tool manufacturer STAN, which has seven industrial sites from Moscow and Kolomna to Azov and Sterlitamak, reports on the growth in revenue. Among the customers of the machines are such companies as RZD, Roskosmos, Rosatom, companies holding Rostec, etc. The steady growth in profits suggests that the demand for high-quality machines in the country is really great, and this demand today is clearly not satisfied with domestic offers. And so that the proposals on their quality and quantity were satisfactory, is it worth waiting for 2020 of the year, then again to be perplexed about the “lost” reporting? Or is it worth it to deal with the real effectiveness of the FTP now?

Comments

[ImPerts]

It will be interesting to know the results, as well as Manturov's comments on this issue.

[Sirocco]

Quote: ImPerts

as well as Manturov’s comments on this subject.
Е

China will help us. UAZ helps and not badly, only as always, the quality is lame, But cheap. Managers but profit. Like Kartsev with crayfish)))))

[Astart]

The topic of machine tool building is very complex (everyone understands that machine tool building is the basis of all industry in the country) and there can be no "liberalism in the economy" on this issue. You can recall the joke of Joseph Vissarionovich. When Minister Baibakov told Stalin that it was impossible to open new oil fields in the near future, Stalin replied, There will be oil, Baibakov will be ...... Oil was found very quickly

[Goodmen]

Our ghouls campaign eternal affairs regardless of the results)))

[Megamarcel]

Of course they did. Comrades from the NKVD who needed to be stimulated and found. And the one who did not find one then did not find it.

[Lelek]

Quote: Astarte

... in this matter, there can be no "liberalism in the economy".

Exactly. And A. Volodin raised a very important topic. The quintessence is that we will be at the forefront literally in all sectors of the economy or will we select scraps of advanced (technologically) countries for a lot of money. So far, no tangible breakthroughs have been observed in this field. This is a big minus to our government.

[Alikos]

Quote: Astarte

The topic of machine tool building is very complex (everyone understands that machine tool building is the basis of all industry in the country) and there can be no "liberalism in the economy" on this issue. You can recall the joke of Joseph Vissarionovich. When Minister Baibakov told Stalin that it was impossible to open new oil fields in the near future, Stalin replied, There will be oil, Baibakov will be ...... Oil was found very quickly

Machine tool construction in Russia is almost gone.
Most of the plants are destroyed and stolen

[afrikanez]

It is useless to wait for the results. At the top, these results are like: with a sickle on yay .. m! In my city, for example, a huge shopping center now stands on the site of the former and largest glass factory. So make a conclusion!

[siberalt]

The Ministry of Industry and Trade, as well as the cultural and commercial center. Here, either to raise culture and production, or to shove the people’s bullshit.

[Sirocco]

What to say? The reformers of the 90s did their rotten job, destroying the country, industry, instrumentation and machine tool industry, creating, so to speak, the Western "worst partners" a good market. (The same thing is being done with Ukraine in the worst case scenario) At the end of the 80s, he worked in the laboratory of experimental work at the KB PZTO, and so we already assembled our Soviet automatic turning and milling machine. But grabbing the air of independence in 90-91, they buried this initiative without completing the project. And they began to produce, auger type churns, and installations for pressing bricks. Which fell apart, both the first and second. About PMZ with their Stiletto, as I said, they say pots, trams, and other things that failed.
As you can see, the business of the bad guys is more alive than Lenin)))))

[Mystery12345]

a friend was looking for a cnc lathe for a long time (he produces hardware) spat ... bought through an Internet in China,. brought,. works. so it turns out, the whole "economy-raw materials and defense industry" ... the rest, nafig went .... and the rest, millions, they have children and old people.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Mystery12345

spat ... bought through the Internet in China ,.

Duc Ulan Ude Aviation Plant, acquired there three years ago, the price was decisive in the purchase, quality, of course, but that, but I think the money was washed and not bad.
Again, we look to whom it is beneficial that there would be no our machine tool industry, is it profitable for China? profitable, it sells to us, to whom else, our officials are lobbying for the interests of China, and they cough their interest to them. In general, only the name of the State Corporation remains, the state cannot influence private capital, it does not shy with its fist on the table. But our bad guys are happy about this, the dog says it’s barking, the caravan from China is coming, it’s impossible to offend the Chinese partner, and its own will be killed, as in the case of the Russian Railways, they have already brought in 80 Kyrgyz citizens, they kicked their own again, it’s supposedly from above, they gave such a decree, they say we have an agreement with Kyrgyzstan, we are obliged to employ. And your hard workers? Do not starve to death. Something like this turns out, everything goes in a circle, everything is connected, and there is no end to this. Sadness however. In all sectors.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Sirocco

Again, we look to whom it is beneficial that there would be no our machine tool industry, is it profitable for China? profitable, it sells to us, to whom else, to our officials

It’s profitable for our inner fifth column to yell that everything’s gone! It’s bad that there is not enough GDP for everything in our country.

[spirit]

after 100 years, you will shout that the liberals are to blame for 90, but the GDP simply did not have time))) an absolutely brainwashed)

[You Vlad]

Quote: spirit

after 100 years, you will shout that the liberals are to blame for 90, but the GDP simply did not have time))) an absolutely brainwashed)

Wow, you are a wonderful man! Only such eccentrics as you can believe that in 15 years from the country which stood with one foot in the grave, you can build an Eden garden!

[Krabik]

Yeah, but not wonderful.
17 years of the reign of GDP gave us taxes of 50+%, bank interest for business 30 +% and free import of Chinese goods by Russian Post.

This is not counting the ongoing raider seizures of living enterprises and institutions funded by the state.

For example, my wife worked at a Moscow school and there the director worked for 10 years with a beggarly salary, and as the schools were raised funding and the director’s salary increased from 20 thousand to 200 thousand, they immediately found drugs at school and instead of an experienced director they brought a woman from the region who worked teacher in Togliatti%)
She already bought an apartment in Moscow.

Nobody will build a garden here, Medvedev won back one castle, the second GDP, built a 1-meter-high fence from slaves and will live happily ever after.
And the Amers are paid tribute so that they do not beat and make it possible to sit on the neck of this armada of mediocrity.
And it’s not exactly science that is beneficial for amers with such a sovereign, soon we won’t be able to produce oil ...

[You Vlad]

Quote: Krabik

taxes 50+%

This is from where? You have not confused Europe with Russia?

Quote: Krabik

Bank interest for business 30 +%

From 12% to 27%!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: You Vlad

This is from where? You have not confused Europe with Russia?

Calculate the employer's tax on workers (34%) - it is foolish to assume that the employer does not take into account the amount of future tax when calculating the salary of an employee. Plus VAT, excise taxes on fuel, transport tax, real estate tax - more than 50% will come out.

[You Vlad]

Sorry! I understood my mistake

[Grigory_78]

A plant for private money can only be built with a loan of 2% per annum maximum - otherwise the plant will never pay off the loan. That is - without an order from above and appropriate financing, no one will ever build a plant with us under the existing system. Well, in fact - why is a commodity superpower an industry?

[Krabik]

You Vlad

Dear Vlad, I worked part-time as an accountant and calculated (until the death of the enterprise this year) salary and taxes to the budget.

And I also have clients who took loans to develop their plant.

Yes, I didn’t confuse Europe and we are Europe, well, in any case, Moscow, where I live.
And while we physically did not fall off from it ...

[You Vlad]

I meant that in Europe taxes are 50%.

[AA17]

Sad and anxious. How will we live if the “West” for us in the present, the whole country “organizes sanctions” (and, not like now, 150 “persons close to the emperor”). He said many times, and now I repeat: whoever does not know how to make "kitchen knives", he will never be able to make a "sword".

[You Vlad]

Quote: AA17

Sad and anxious. How will we live if the “West” truly organizes the whole country to us “sanctions”

And how do you think the collapse of the ruble did not affect you? the real sanctions for each of us arranged by the west!

[AA17]

Dear, Vlad. These are flowers. That's when a ban on the purchase of our oil and gas, agricultural products will be introduced, Russia will not sell components for aircraft, machine tools, etc. this will be real sanctions.

[You Vlad]

Quote: AA17

That's when a ban on the purchase of our oil and gas, agricultural products will be introduced, Russia will not sell components for aircraft, machine tools, etc. this will be real sanctions.

Well, glory B - I don’t have GDP! I generally wonder how we saved the country Bow to him to the ground!

[Walanin]

Quote: You Vlad

Bow to him to the ground!

for the fact that instead of developing industry, petrodollars formed into a small pill, which was stored in American banks at the same time?

[You Vlad]

Quote: Walanin

for the fact that instead of developing industry, petrodollars formed into a small pill, which was stored in American banks at the same time?

Hello, I will not write, for a long time, here is the link there everything is written in an accessible language About the Stabilization Fund of Russia. An educational program for dummies. [Media = https: //news2.ru/story/105427/]

[Walanin]

Excuse me. I do not go to yellow sites

[You Vlad]

Quote: Walanin

Excuse me. I do not go to yellow sites

Then go to the official site. Give a link?

[Walanin]

Which one for example?
I went for example to the official website of the US Treasury. I watched how much Russia invested in their economy instead of their own by buying up US government bonds. Where else to go?

[You Vlad]

Quote: Walanin

Which one for example?

[media = http: //old.minfin.ru/ru/stabfund/about/]

Quote: Walanin

I went for example to the official website of the US Treasury. I watched how much Russia invested in their economy instead of its own by buying up US government bonds. Where else to go?

Well, if you didn’t understand something from the first link, then it will be harder for the Ministry of Finance.

[Walanin]

according to your own link, it is directly written in Russian in white that the Stabilization Fund’s money is invested in foreign securities.

In accordance with the approved procedure, the management of the Fund’s funds can be carried out in the following ways (both individually and simultaneously): [7]

by acquiring debt obligations of foreign states at the expense of the Fund;
by acquiring foreign currency from the Fund

In other words, these are investments in foreign economies. But not in Russia. This money comes out purchased, including the very Tomahawks, and funded Maidans and other Navalny.
So what kind of "stabilization" is it that blocks the development of its own industry?

[You Vlad]

Quote: Walanin

according to your own link, it is directly written in Russian on white that the Stabilization Fund’s money is invested in foreign securities

Read why they are invested in such assets and why in such!

[Vadim237]

But this will never happen.

[Grigory_78]

A ban on the purchase of oil and gas will not be introduced - it is not profitable for themselves. But the termination of components for machine tools, aircraft and other things will be a real disaster, especially with our comprador "elite"

[Sars]

Despite the individual hotbeds of resistance, it can be argued that mechanical engineering in Russia has been completely destroyed as an industry, and machine builders as a profession.

[Mystery12345]

Quote: SarS

Despite the individual hotbeds of resistance, it can be argued that mechanical engineering in Russia has been completely destroyed as an industry, and machine builders as a profession.

in our city, we made two controls to the head: to the Mechanical Plant and to the Nickel .... everything .... absolutely. the locks were hung up but a quiet looting is already underway .... "with tonars". taxi drivers in the city increased in three. I think that they’ll just clear the place and build new plants, better than the old ones ... cheers!

[Cat man null]

Quote: Mystery12345

in our city...

- Crimean, daughter of an officer?
- the correct message is this: "on such and such a date-year, such and such plants were closed in city N (identifiable names of enterprises are given)"
- without this - throw ash on the fan, call ...

However, it is in your style ... go on, go on

[Serg65]

Quote: Cat Man Null

the correct message is: "on such and such a date-year, such and such plants were closed in city N (identifiable names of enterprises are given)"

Well, why did you do this ??? Master, Vlad and SyroKKo sang you so beautifully .... straight lyrical drama
Novel if I'm not mistaken? Roman, you’re always trying to put sticks in the wheels! That’s why you don’t believe the Master? He, after all, from koment to koment truthfully tells how the country is rolling into the abyss!

[region58]

Quote: Serg65

Master

Nope, mystery - in Nashinsky there will be a "secret."
Py.Sy. Of course, the meaning of the above does not change, lyrical digression, I beg your pardon ...

[You Vlad]

Quote: Serg65

That’s why you don’t believe the Master?

Because I'm tired, read what I see at the bottom of the branch.

[Serg65]

Quote: You Vlad

Because I'm tired, read what I see at the bottom of the branch.

Yes, and I'm tired!
Messrs. Liberals and fellow communists!
There are laws of economics - which you can’t get around! Hmm ... although there is one workaround - these are the reforms of Joseph Vissarionovich, but are you personally ready to endure 10 years of deprivation, refusal of comfort, standing in line for food? Are you personally prepared for the fact that your neighbors will knock on you and God forbid you go to one of the construction sites free of charge? Are you ready for this ???
Comrade Communists at the end of the 80 of the last century rushed to break the foundations and the structure of the state with foam at the mouth, in the 90's the very same communists but already becoming liberal democrats dragged everything in a row. How many will put their hands on their hearts now ... my children were swollen with hunger, my wife filed for divorce because I could not provide for my family, we wore castoffs ... BUT I did not rob my factory! I did not take not one nail, not one screw!
Below, comrade Vanyavatny cried for the KZTZ, but bashfully kept silent that the plant had already died by the middle of the 90, that one Ukrainian oligarch had asked Rutskoi to sell the plant, but Rutskoy refused. When only the walls remained to zero from the factory, I had to sell it, but already cheaper, because building a new one is much cheaper than reconstructing the old one!

[You Vlad]

Do you know what I think about the Communists? Which of them has a conscience is silent in a rag! And all these pseudo-Communists either simply speculate on the past to drag out the electorate or just trolls who are rubbed into trust! Well, yes, it’s like patriots and start Russia from head to toe, well, you understand))!

[Serg65]

Quote: You Vlad

! And all these pseudo-communists either simply speculate on the past to drag out the electorate or simply trolls who are rubbed into trust!

Ah-yay! What is your not popular thinking (emphasis on Y), I hope I put on a helmet ? Well, you have the right opinion. buddy! Indeed, in fact, communists and liberals are children of one parent
Gentlemen, comrades, do not try! I have a helmet on Kaptsovskaya technology!

[You Vlad]

I don’t listen to what they’re saying! I watch what they’re doing

[ImPerts]

Quote: Serg65

Messrs. Liberals and fellow communists!

Quote: Serg65

Are you personally prepared for the fact that your neighbors will knock on you and God forbid you go to one of the construction sites free of charge?

It's you in vain, talk about informers is far-fetched, they have a lot of fiction.
Example: relations of Lysenko and Vavilov. A common version is that Vavilov was arrested on a denunciation of Lysenko.
“The point is not whether Lysenko was right or not, but that it is not worth solving scientific disputes by the methods that Lysenko used against his opponents, but he simply destroyed them using repressive organs that declared genetics the so-called pests and "enemies of the people. And even if Lysenko was right in something, which is not surprising, he was an unfinished quack, then this fact is unlikely to somehow justify his well-known actions."
Although:
"For example, Zhores Medvedev does not find Vavilov's confirmation of the" scientific struggle "not in his scientific articles, but in his denunciations of Lysenko to the people's commissar of agriculture and the secretaries of the Central Committee."
http://www.contrtv.ru/common/2792
Denunciations were written by those whose descendants in 1991 from ardent "communists" turned into ardent liberals, not forgetting to saw off a piece of state property.
In those years, they often criticized at meetings, in the open, and did not write denunciations. The denunciations were the lot of rats who wanted to drown the competitor that was bothering them. And such rats feel good with any system and ideology.
Z.Y. Knocking is highly developed in the countries of the golden billion. What then what now. But they will talk about the USSR - Russia. Because they have a pre-emptive crime, and we have snitching.

[Serg65]

Quote: ImPerts

It's you in vain, talk about informers is far-fetched, they have a lot of fiction.

Oh dear! I somehow don’t care about Lysenko and Vavilov, but I know very well how my distant relative, being the chairman of the comedian and an alcoholic - a quiet guy banged on everyone including his relatives and yes ..... all for the sake of profit

[34 region]

07.07. Cat! It’s good of course to look at the world with sarcasm. But people write what they see with their own eyes. They are answered: Look Made With Us! Our country is on the rise! Why don't people see it with their own eyes? Do not live in Russia? And what kind of growth do people see? The number of merchants is growing rapidly. And it is noticeable to everyone and everyone notes it. Small trade absorbs large. A small factory manufacturer maybe? In the 90s, everyone became small entrepreneurs, having hit the trade. This business did not make a boom in the economy. And why didn’t the business hit the machine tool industry? Machine tool construction cannot be a small business. These should be normal enterprises. Then another sales factor. Who will use the machines? For which industries to produce? Here we are still integrated into the global economy with the division of labor. Will we sell machines for export? Simply put. Do you see many construction projects from the window? A lot of working industries are visible? This is to make reference to Made With Us. What your eyes see, not what they show you.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Region 34

Cat!

So they communicate, well, not very decent people, I wrote who but censorship did not miss!

Quote: Region 34

It’s good of course to look at the world with sarcasm. But people write what they see with their own eyes.

I see with my own eyes how a third of the cities have been demolished and built new houses and are still demolishing and building! I see a new stadium from the window! I see from my window the Evalar production facility that works for all of Russia and 22 foreign countries, I see from my home the windows of Sibribormash, which had been dying for a long time and finally came to life, now there the 50% youth team is working there! What is it doing? Secret. I see Altai FNPC from the window what is it doing? It's also a secret! I see the new modern Altai Broiler from meat and grain ,their lot ! I see from the window Aniikht! What is doing? Well, this is also a secret! I saw Belokurikha resort, what is it doing? Well, you are in the know. I see good roads from the window. I see the Oleum Plant, well, it’s better not to write what they’re doing there we have a city of defenders! Something like this

[34 region]

15.10/XNUMX. Vlad you! I can’t even believe it. New homes are almost not being built. What is being built is populated for a long time. Factories disassemble. Doctors cut. Young people have nowhere to work. Rather, there is but for a penny. The rent was equal to the monthly salary. Yards in ruin. Roads in the craters, either from bombs, or from shells. New ones are not made. It’s good if they put latki. More like a city on the defensive. If the site was a little more comfortable then it would not be necessary to write to whom you answer. All this would be displayed immediately. With arrows it is very inconvenient. It was possible to make an icon (expand-collapse).

[You Vlad]

Quote: Region 34

I can’t even believe it

I don’t know how small children, I believe, I don’t believe it! Well, don’t believe it, see how many people have built new houses from the dilapidated house according to the program! Then answer me.

[Mystery12345]

Quote: You Vlad

Then answer me.

[You Vlad]

Have questions? Do not be silent dear!

[Walanin]

And how much if not a secret?

[You Vlad]

It's no secret! Here you can find the side there for each city. [media = https: //www.reformagkh.ru/relocation/alarm
/ indicator? ind [] = 1 & tid = 2208174]

[Walanin]

By reference the city of Biysk. Already 365 mostly private houses with an area of ​​30-300sq.m. for each. It is not thick for a city with 200k of the population and with housing stock mainly from Khrushchev.
Doesn't pull it on one third of the city

[You Vlad]

Quote: Walanin

It doesn’t pull a third of the city

Well, this is for you, but for me as a resident of the city it is Well there are many more cities you see

[Alikos]

Quote: you Vlad

Quote: Region 34

I can’t even believe it

I don’t know how small children, I believe, I don’t believe it! Well, don’t believe it, see how many people have built new houses from the dilapidated house according to the program! Then answer me.

In Moscow, yes! Build and resettle ...
But Moscow is not Russia

[Alikos]

Quote: you Vlad

Quote: Region 34

I can’t even believe it

I don’t know how small children, I believe, I don’t believe it! Well, don’t believe it, see how many people have built new houses from the dilapidated house according to the program! Then answer me.

Moscow, Peter, Kaluga. Well, another five large cities.
So that is all!

[Pivot]

Well, why are you saying such things, good salaries in Volgograd, a new production facility and potash and fertilizer mines are being built in Kotelnikov, Mikhailovka is a good city, and good salaries are in Uryupensk.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Pivot

Well, why are you saying such things, good salaries in Volgograd, a new production facility and potash and fertilizer mines are being built in Kotelnikov, Mikhailovka is a good city, and good salaries are in Uryupensk.

Well, it’s not interesting! Now, if you told me that everything was lost there, then you would have been supported by the chorus: everything was lost

[34 region]

08.59. Vlad you! Oh well! And what good? Volgograd will soon lose its status as a city of a million people. Why if all is well? You call in the villages, there are abandoned houses. Why drop out if life is getting better? Mikhailovka has been living relatively well since the 90s. Uryupinsk also still somehow holds on. I don’t know about Kotelnikovo. But I will not be mistaken if I say that it is the same as in the whole region. Not a damn thing good in our region. What did not stop to surprise last year Medvedev and Putin. How so! Russia is on the rise, and in the Volgograd region blockage! In the news we are being rubbed about some kind of investment projects. But over time, they somewhere evaporate. If our region is developing successfully, why is it at the end of the list of regions, and not in the first three lines? Even the praised Made At Us does not show explosive growth of the economy of our region. View on the map, there are growth points! You start to increase it. Figw !!! Nothing and nobody. So there is no need to deal with hypnosis. We are fine! We are fine! Nothing good. In addition to building stores, nothing is being built. And if we have growth, why is there an outflow of population? Run away from a good life?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Pivot

Well, why are you saying such things, good salaries in Volgograd, a new production facility and potash and fertilizer mines are being built in Kotelnikov, Mikhailovka is a good city, and good salaries are in Uryupensk.

why then Volgograd in 2014 was recognized as the most depressed city in Russia?
- http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/52578?page=2

[Maxim Sheludyakov]

New houses, micro-districts are growing like mushrooms, a plant is being built right under the window. Yards in ruin every spring because of the residents themselves. I drive along a new road. Yes, in the city of pit, begin repairs

[34 region]

15.19. Maxim! Well, you and the storyteller! What neighborhoods? Separate houses are barely building. Factories are not being built at all. And in the courtyards even in winter the snow is not removed. And repair of roads is at best a replacement of dimples on a tubercle. There is no complete removal and laying of new asphalt. Even the allocated area this year there will not be enough money for all the work. The only thing is the repair of tracks. But the quality is awful. Not enough for the season.

[Grigory_78]

"Made with us" - tears. Released a dozen tractors. They mastered the release of new products. Launched the hull of the vessel, for which there are no normal engines - only Chinese low-quality copies of German diesels. The news about the opening of a new plant - at best, every six months. And it should be - once a month, at least.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Cat Man Null

the correct message is: "such a date-year

Tolyatti, AvtoVAZagregat, Volzhsky Machine-Building Plant closed. I don’t remember a year, not more than three years ago, the region is four. And the widely publicized zone of economic development is in the cold - investors with sanctions do not give money.
Or the fact that I didn’t indicate the year exactly. not considered a fact?

[Alikos]

Quote: SarS

Despite the individual hotbeds of resistance, it can be argued that mechanical engineering in Russia has been completely destroyed as an industry, and machine builders as a profession.

Like machine tools!

[My address]

But interestingly, our government will be honored at least once to recognize its failure in a serious area of ​​activity? With specific names, terms, amounts of confiscation? I can provide the list: return of the merchant and fishing fleet under the jurisdiction of Russia, high-speed processing of fish in ports; creating 20 of millions of high-tech jobs (until 2020, there was nothing left); restoration of civil aircraft in at least a little serious volumes; ban on export of roundwood and so forth, and so on.
We lack Stalin with his real: intelligence, organizational skills, dedication, control and responsibility systems. And in relation to Stalin. I respected him, although I did not consider him the ideal ruler. But I lived in the Russian Federation and realized that he is the one who we need now. Well, now the joke about Stalin:
- Vityok, but why the communists consider Stalin a communist, hard workers - laborers, patriots - a patriot, scientists - scientists, commanders - a commander?
- Seryoga, this is because bastards and stupid people consider Stalin a bastard and a moron.
And Volodin

[Sirocco]

Quote: My address

(until 2020 there is nothing left);

Magpie on the tail brought such news, presented a claim here to one soldier, says, be patient, until the 20th year, the army will be re-equipped (so to say they will put good doors, windows, alarms, SECURITY) Then from the 20th, they will engage in the "civilian" sector . True or not, I don’t know what I bought for, why I sold it.

[You Vlad]

I like this idea, because I also think so sinful! So to speak, get rid of external pressure! And let them yell about perpetrated democracy there Although they are no longer ambiguously pulling equipment to our border.

[Sirocco]

Quote: You Vlad

Although they are no longer ambiguously pulling equipment to our border.

Everything is as far back as the 30s. The same tension was created in the east, not only with Japan, but with Korea, the West was imposed, people and equipment were brought in, well, the Southeast is already a kind of PMC in the person of Isil and Co. It’s all like that, it seems that somewhere it’s already been seen and passed. ((((((

[Alf]

Quote: Sirocco

until the 20th year, the army will be re-equipped,

And after 2020, what, it will not be necessary to arm? A strange kind of military ...

[Grigory_78]

I would like to believe. But the problem is not in financing as such. And in the economic bloc of the government, in which Gaidar’s only extra feeding - starting with Medvedev. When: 1) Gaidar’s carcass is dug up, burned, and ashes are shot from the cannon in the direction of those whom he served faithfully - according to the old Russian custom; 2) all followers of Gaidar will be deprived of all academic degrees, ranks, merit, and at the same time stolen - only then there will be hope for a bright future. As the beginning of this process, one could regard the removal of Gaidar's fosterlings from power. I wait and hope.

[Alf]

Quote: Gregory_78

As the beginning of this process, one could regard the removal of Gaidar's fosterlings from power. I wait and hope.

I'm afraid that I have to wait a long time.
Today, Dimon spoke on a box, said that the Russian economy showed growth (interestingly, in what) and ended its booth ... speaking in words to the Duma-Take care of our government.

[Walanin]

Quote: Gregory_78

in which Gaidar’s only extra feeding - starting with Medvedev

Again the exact same tale about a good king and bad boyars. Medvedev is Putin’s best friend for that matter. Since Putin was not afraid to entrust him with a country to circumvent the Constitution of the Russian Federation with a limited number of terms.
The Gaidar Forum in January was welcomed by Putin. The Yeltsin Center was created under the patronage of the Presidential Administration.
It's time to throw off the pink glasses.

[Peaceful Basmach]

In Kursk there were machine-tool building and press-forging equipment factories (KZPA). All collapsed and ordered to live long. And so with most city-forming enterprises. The city began to live by trade, production can be counted on the fingers.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Peaceful Basmach

In Kursk there were machine-tool building and press-forging equipment factories (KZPA). All collapsed and ordered a long life

- collapsed - when? Under King Pea?

[vanavatny]

in the dashing nineties, although stop ... for example, their plant was torn down to the foundation only a few years ago is it really a process of destruction .. oh well no, of course, away silly thoughts

[Cat man null]

Quote: vanavate

... for example, their plant was removed to the foundation only a few years ago ...

- a few - how much? Dug up a working plant, or ruins?
- "their factory KZTZ" - I do not find such a factory, even in the "former" ... strange, right?

[vanavatny]

brought to a state of delirium and demolished for housing, as elsewhere with the local governor, a drunkard and a beetroot, there was no even talk of any modernization. Why can’t you find it? KZZ or Kurskagromash, came from all over the union for tractor parts, from a dozen years ago acquaintances there ordered something else on the foundry

[Cat man null]

Quote: vanavate

from all over the union gathered for tractor parts

- When in Russia the production of tractors was killed, do not remind?
- spare parts ... you see, if there are no tractors, spare parts for them ... are not needed

Quote: vanavate

brought to a state of delirium and demolished for housing

- this is not the answer, this is verbal diarrhea, sorry

[vanavatny]

well, you, as an educated person, will be able to explain to the government and individual regions the meaning of the same worn-out words, such as reprofiling and modernization, that’s interesting, the German cars beloved by many are so good, because they are still being sculpted on Krupp presses, from the time of the Führer. or because the process of modernization of production is endless, as is the process of re-equipment? if for a couple of decades in the once industrialized region the only thing the plants are busy is hanging banners, renting, then yes - we call a bulldozer and then, maybe pumping it out of an oil pipe money we will begin to build anew the world destroyed to the foundations

[Okolotochny]

For a good economy, re-profiling and reorganization should be considered. When calculating, it turns out that it is easier and cheaper to build a new one than to "re-profile and reorganize." Watch it. Well, “cuts” also play a role, not in all cases, but there is such a thing. And for the opening of new industries - to build one enterprise, to obtain permissions to connect to utilities and communications OTHER, obtaining all sorts of certificates and permissions THREE. And for the machine tool industry I fully agree. One of the backbone (economics, state survival) industries.

[Dante Alighieri]

I won’t say for all of Russia, and in our Altai Territory, the largest producer of agricultural products in Siberia, the Altai Tractor Plant was finally destroyed in 2008, and before that he was still trying to shaman something, even models of tractors and combines at some exhibitions suggested, but not visible to the largest agricultural region, do not need their own production capacities for the creation and repair of tools, which need to cultivate both the land itself and the crops growing on it. It’s even more interesting in Barnaul: there was an equipment factory, read it in the very center of the city, that year they covered it, and already in this place a shopping center was already opened, though the roof collapsed in winter - they were in such a hurry to recapture the investments. And along the road for a long time hung ads for the sale of used bricks, farms and ceilings, all that was once the ridge of the factory. And so it is everywhere: Geophysics, a transmash, a boiler room is more alive than dead, a car repair was re-qualified only for the repair of couplings, there are no other orders from Russian Railways. Only the cartridge chamber lives, but the plant in the village of Yuzhny — but this is the sphere of the military-industrial complex. But there are about 12 pieces of shopping centers. Impressive stats!

[You Vlad]

Quote: Dante

I won’t say for the whole of Russia, and in our Altai Territory, the largest producer of agricultural products in Siberia, the Altai Tractor Plant was finally destroyed in 2008,

He is alive, though judging by the sales in 2016, 45 tractors were sold! Looks like banks are more likely to give loans for imported equipment or they are simply not competitive!

[Dante Alighieri]

We don’t suck it right, they sell off the remnants of already manufactured products and repair equipment, they are no longer directly involved in the production of new equipment. Again, it seems that part of the capacities was involved in the assembly of cars from our Belarusian brothers, but I can’t say what specifically.
About competitiveness - our farmers are glad that they have one, I have a farmer friend in the Charysh district, I am exploiting Soviet-made equipment with all my might and no money.

[Semenov]

Banks give loans, but whoever takes it, he’s too heavy!

[You Vlad]

Quote: Semenov

Banks give loans, but whoever takes it, he’s too heavy!

Westerners give, under the norms,%, but not for our equipment! They seem to have taken on the CBR, and they often reduced the interest rate.

[Locksmith]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- spare parts ... you see, if there are no tractors, spare parts for them ... no request

Something like this, there was a car repair plant in Samara - gas 52-53, peasants came from all over the region .. for spare parts, because they didn’t drive cars - motorists stupidly sold new and assembled motors from parts from dismantling. There was a case he drove one arm carrier, his own car crushed it, stood at speed, and he had the urge to crank the crankshaft, and she, after taking the engine (!), take it and start it, well, nobody at the factory believed it, laughter and sin.
Then they found out that the man himself had assembled the motor !!
Such plants probably are not needed, quality production is needed.

[Sars]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- a few - how much? Dug up a working plant, or ruins?

Friend Cat, do you have other examples? Skolkovo? Or something else?

Come to Barnaul - I will show what remains of the plants.

[borov]

Quote: SarS

Come to Barnaul - I will show what remains of the plants.

Yes, if only Barnaul ...

[alekc73]

Liberal reforms that the bombing of the Luftwaffe are only extended over time, the result of the ruins

[Vadim237]

This plant - excess production from the USSR, with outdated equipment that could not offer anything new on the market - was burned up and its restoration does not make sense, because wear is almost 100%

[Alf]

Quote: Vadim237

This plant - excess production from the USSR, with outdated equipment that could not offer anything new on the market - was burned up and its restoration does not make sense, because wear is almost 100%

So build a new plant in its place, and not just another shopping center or an elite housing block.

[You Vlad]

Quote: SarS

Come to Barnaul - I will show what remains of the plants.

Who were slowly killed after the perestroika? Come to Biysk, I'll show you ours! Yes, after the perestroika, the whole country saw on the site of the factories, where is the warehouse, where is the supermarket, where is it simply rented out, and where are simply unowned ruins! We will have to restore it for a long time what we lost in 90g! Our market captured the west and even those who survived it was hard to survive and sell their products!

[krops777]

Cat man null

Tovarisch, did you see a Russian-made lathe in the store? me not. So draw conclusions about our machine tool industry, otherwise shout at each corner prove prove.

[Serg65]

Quote: krops777

Tovarisch, you saw a Russian-made lathe in the store

Tovarisch, what’s your milk in the store? Belarusian or domestic?

[Alf]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: Peaceful Basmach

In Kursk there were machine-tool building and press-forging equipment factories (KZPA). All collapsed and ordered a long life

- collapsed - when? Under King Pea?

In my Samara, the 9th Bearing Plant is now bankrupt, they are already selling space.
Probably for the purpose of import substitution.
P.S. The 4th bearing plant was destroyed 20 years ago, the territory is built up by shopping centers.

[vanavatny]

no wonder some news: The government failed the regular programs offered to urgently allocate kuda some two or three hundred kilograms of money to hold a congress of United Russia, as the culprit to appoint Niger eared, well, or whatever it is accepted to do with failures nat projects

[basmach]

And you look at the giblets of the machines that we still have. Then I had to look (in Ryazan) a couple of months ago. From ours, only contactors, everything else is Siemens. So "domestic" is conditional.

[vanavatny]

yeah, like drugs

[antivirus]

Yes. it is necessary to start with the "centrolites" - to pour and sharpen the beds. this is the physical responsibility for the release of iron. then -mech processing of machine parts + small parts of the sample. and last but not least software.

China works for food - practically at “0”, the only way to reach production volumes.
and without a tight schedule, with reference to the buyer (he is obliged to buy), nothing will come of it. Politically, we are a single country, economically, not yet
Aviation and other sub-state factories and raw materials do not "pull" 2 and 3 redistribution into a bright future. It is not necessary.
only after 20 years will be required.

[andj61]

Quote: basmach

And you look at the giblets of the machines that we still have. Then I had to look (in Ryazan) a couple of months ago. From ours, only contactors, everything else is Siemens. So "domestic" is conditional.

Siemens only releases electrical and electronic parts. And this is only part of the machine. The bed is also an important thing. But a naturally aged bed (it was cast long ago, and stood for at least 10 years without processing) generally costs decent money, when studying at the Moscow Higher Technical School in the early 80s, the story was told that there were a dozen and a half dozen beds cast on Stankolite or Centrolite cast for included in the series of machines in the 60s. In the late 70s, the Swiss accidentally learned about this at an exhibition in Moscow, bought these beds, and specially designed under the beds, high-precision machines were designed and manufactured. For CNC machines, ball screw pairs are very important. We did them in the 80s, but the quality was worse than German. Siemens produces high-torque engines (and not only), but once we did a good coupling, too. In those days, the installation of frequency regulation of the speed of rotation of asynchronous electric motors occupied giant cabinets, but now it is a small block. Asynchronous motors themselves and we had a very good level, but now, most likely, they are from China - the whole world is buying there.
To be honest, even in Soviet times, high-precision CNC machines did not work very well for us, especially when compared with Germany, Japan and the USA. But universal, special and specialized ordinary ones were at a very good level. Forging equipment manufactured in the USSR was not considered backward for the most part, and unique powerful presses and advanced countries were not averse to purchasing

[basmach]

without "brains, the CNC machine will not work unambiguously. We have both Ryazan (killed in the trash) and German (they plow and more productive). Moreover, all the mechanics are broken on Ryazan. But the point is not only in it. The conversation about that it’s not enough to do only iron, we need brains for them. And now we have both iron crap and brains. I’m not writing about the USSR, but about “democratic” Russia, in which the production of machine tools has become much smaller .

[Cat man null]

Quote: vanavate

what unsurprising news: the government failed another program ...

For the period from 2011 to 2016, it was planned to create 17 new systems of high-tech components, providing the production of dual-use equipment. Performed from them - 9 (2012 and 2013 years).
Plans for the creation of computer-aided design, computing, modeling, technological preparation of production, life cycle support - 45. Performed by 26.
Plans for the creation of dual-use equipment systems for the manufacture of parts without machining - 22. Performed by 19.
Plans for the creation of instrumental systems - 14. Created by - 11.
There is, in fairness, and fulfilled, and even partially over-fulfilled plans. For example, the plans for the implementation of a project on the creation of forging and pressing machines with CNC related to dual-use process equipment (plan - 8, fact - 12) have been exceeded.

- where did the “government fail”?
- executed more (much more) half of the program
- in 2014, funding stopped (it is not clear to anyone why - in Kashchenko), the program "stood up" ... what's so surprising?

Author: Volodin Alexey

- Ah, I see ... that means everything is very bad...
- though -

The largest Russian machine tool builder, STAN, which has seven industrial sites from Moscow and Kolomna to Azov and Sterlitamak, reports on revenue growth. Among the customers of the machines are such companies as Russian Railways, Roscosmos, Rosatom, Rostec holding companies and others.

- oh how ... and not everything is bad, it turns out
- strange ... I don’t understand anything ... morning, or what?

[vanavatny]

ahhh ... this is such a success, I’ll go half pay taxes, pay a little for light-gas, work until noon, pick up a comrade from the operation for the brewery, and to the question, what are you doing proudly I will require the dough

[Cat man null]

Quote: vanavate

... this kind of success ...

- no. It’s just that if you fill the fuel car halfway, it will drive half the way ... and get up
- flood again - it will go further, as if nothing had happened.

This is an analogy, if

[vanavatny]

analogy, hmm, if I am an ambulance driver and, together with my superiors, I was such that I couldn’t calculate the required amount of fuel, and the patient died, if I pulled on the tank to win, but forgot about the maneuver coefficient, then I’m planted, otherwise and you need to shoot, they don’t have enough money for machine tool building? and for concrete boxes to the World Cup was enough? or only ordinary Russians should be able to prioritize while standing with a wallet in the middle of the store

[Serg65]

Quote: vanavate

if I am an ambulance driver and, together with the bosses of such a de bi

Oh my god, what self-criticism .... bravo bravo !!

[midshipman]

Alexey always publishes the most interesting articles. Thank. I want to share the work of enterprises once subordinate to me. For the drilling of printed circuit boards at the enterprises used machines of the company "Shmol". I forbade when I headed the GU of my Ministry. For three months, Yaroslavl machines were modernized and all sections in the workshops were equipped with domestic machines. In HAP-ah, only domestic CNC machines were used. And at 45 enterprises there were more than 20 sections of HAP. Without domestic machine tool industry, industry cannot be raised. In vain the industry is led by incompetent specialists. I have the honor.

[Herman 4223]

Machines can be invented and made, of course it is possible. Only now production is in private hands, and the participant is looking at how to save money, so he buys either Chinese-made or expensive European if he wants quality. The root of the problem is here. If you do not look for a way to make buying his, then not which programs will not help.

[uskrabut]

Quote: Herman 4223

If you don’t look for a way to make you buy your own, then some programs will not help.

This is called state economic policy. When protective duties are imposed on foreign countries, so that their own can be developed and sold.

[g16.ru]

Most of the import substitution and “production in Russia” are gluing the “Made in Russia” nameplates or arranging assembly production from imported components. Alas.

[uskrabut]

Well? And in this segment, sheer Ulyukaevschina! But this problem has specific surname, name and patronymic. Why haven’t you been asked from this particular? Or the minister is a political figure, not to work. And we want Russia to be respected in the world! With this attitude of the authorities towards their country, who will respect us? This is what incompetent leaders need to be, so that with tremendous wealth on the surface and in the bowels of Russia, the Russian people (not so numerous) eke out a miserable existence, and the country is a ruin. Somehow sad and shameful. But we all studied according to the same textbooks, and they clearly stated about the need for our own production of means of production and the excess of the growth of labor productivity over the growth of wages. Only now, neither labor productivity nor salary growth.

[borov]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- Crimean, daughter of an officer?

When “pink glasses” of stability are put on, officers’s daughters everywhere seem ...
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http://refru.ru/st11.pdf

[borov]

Quote: SarS

Friend Cat, do you have other examples? Skolkovo? Or something else?

He does not go further than the Moscow Ring Road, although there are enough examples there ...

[Nitarius]

I’ll surprise if I say .. that the MINISTERS and TP responsible for this area should not only be put on the wall .. but also up to 5 knees.

[NordUral]

What else to say but: bastards! Ruined and finish off machine tool building!

[Vadim237]

I don’t know what you are doing there, we make our machines, and we also localize foreign ones on our territory

[Klaus]

Raise the machine tool industry - I do not think that such an insoluble task. Stalin at one time, for 10 incomplete years, bought, implemented and raised. But then there was a clear goal and strategy: it was clearly understood why the country needed machine tools, for which factories and for which products.
In other words - why the hell is machine tool building, if there is no understanding what to do with it? And one decree here is not enough. If someone didn’t notice, then Russia “suddenly” turned out to be included in the world division of labor, and they are expecting from us there not high-tech products, but raw materials of a low degree of processing. Yes, open your eyes, we are in the WTO !!! We have deliberately climbed into the world market since the 2000s, and then suddenly, by some decree, let's take it all back: we will raise engineering again ... It's ridiculous!

[Semenov]

Each failed program has a first name, last name, and middle name. It's time to declassify and shake the bins from his wife, relatives and acquaintances.

[valerei]

I read the article and did not understand anything. Who is investing? Who will be the owner of these plants? How will the sales market for the products of these plants function? Machine tool construction and tool industry must, in fact, be re-created. And this is not only money, but also personnel and, above all, the engineering corps! Well, for example, they will let out young, “green” ones from institutes, but they need to be taught additionally for about 2 - 3 years. Who will do it and where? Modern machine tool industry - it has already become an area of ​​high technology! However, the machine-tool industry is not to trade in vodka and not to sit on the “pipe”, which our “oligarchs” thieves have long been accustomed to. They did not drive a nail of rust into the property that they illegally own, and here one must not be “Khodorkovsky” and “Abramovich,” but “Fords”. Well, they won’t give money to these plants, because the return will not be in a week, but in a dozen years. And the fact that Russia needs this is so they do not care deeply about this matter. So, I strongly doubt that in the next 10-15 years our industry will be able to buy our machines and we will feed foreign machine-tool factories with our money for a long time to come.

[Klaus]

I agree. This is an area of ​​high technology. I think that at the moment it would be relevant to create "technology sites", especially with large enterprises, or with engineering departments of leading universities. Let it be a small platform, but with a high concentration of the most modern technology and the best personnel. Let there be not so many, but with guaranteed funding.

[valerei]

Quote: Semenov

Each failed program has a first name, last name, and middle name.

A small addition: Sergo Ordzhonikidze, People's Commissar of Heavy Industry of the USSR.

[Semenov]

According to the updated information, the words of L. M. Kaganovich about accidents on the railway: "Every accident has ...".

[valerei]

Quote: SarS

Come to Barnaul - I will show what remains of the plants.

Come to Saratov and show.

[Zaurbek]

In Krasnodar there was a factory-manufacturer of turning rotary machines plant them. Sedina (there were 2 of them in Europe), immediately in 90 he was bought by the Schiss holding (this is the 2nd plant from Germany) and devastated and closed. And that’s all ...

[You Vlad]

Quote: Zaurbek

In Krasnodar there was a factory-manufacturer of turning rotary machines plant them. Sedina (there were 2 of them in Europe), immediately in 90 he was bought by the Schiss holding (this is the 2nd plant from Germany) and devastated and closed. And that’s all ...

This is the sad classic of the nineties What about this, and got to strategic production!

[Recoil]

Simbirsk machine tool building went bankrupt, curtailing cooperation with the Skoda machine tool division. The reason is funny - lack of turnover

[Fetaxa]

In particular, the largest Russian machine tool builder, STAN, which has seven industrial sites from Moscow and Kolomna to Azov and Sterlitamak, reports on revenue growth. Among the customers of the machines are such companies as Russian Railways, Roscosmos, Rosatom, Rostec holding companies and others.

STAN - these are raiders involved in the withdrawal of turnover, cutting state programs and the re-purchase of old plants for bank loans at inflated prices.

A very correct wording: they report, although they do not fulfill orders, and what they do at the expense of the assets of the previous owners of the plants is disgusting (if the money is withdrawn, then there’s nothing to be done qualitatively).

the considered sub-program, declared under the high-profile name “Development of the domestic machine tool building and tool industry”, actually ordered a long life back in 2014 (at least there have been no reports since then).

The problem is that Rostekhov's Stankoprom was put in charge of this state program. Despite the complete incompetence of Stankoprom in matters of machine tool industry, he was delighted and began to communicate with the industry in the spirit of "I'm sitting on my wallet, so crawl to me on my knees and dance on my hind legs. And maybe I'll give you a little money on slavish terms." The industry also went on the principle, and practically no one with Stankoprom completed this GP. Therefore, in 2015, the status of Stankoprom substantially fell, they were deprived of “dispatching”, the structure was practically disbanded, and its only serious machine-tool plant (Savelovsky machine-building) was transferred to the control of well-publicized saw cutters from STAN.

Although, horseradish radish is not sweeter IMHO.

[asushnik 78]

And how can one not recall Stalin? Under him, the ministers worked! And the current ones only steal!

[Aviator_]

It seems that the ministry of "industry and trade" is more involved in trade than industry.

[Grigory_78]

I would say that the "Ministry of Industry and Trade" should have been renamed the "Ministry of Trade"

[Piligrim]

Quote: Vadim237

This plant - excess production from the USSR, with outdated equipment that could not offer anything new on the market - was burned up and its restoration does not make sense, because wear is almost 100%

Excuse me, dear, but how old are you and where did you study? These terms operate "excess production", "market". I will explain everything to you with a simple example. In the 90 years, whoever remembers the environmental protection company was raised, all the newspapers were full of articles about how deodorants and air fresheners destroy the ozone layer. The result - Soviet chemistry was eliminated. The market was cleared, western brands came. Tell me that the current deodorants do not destroy the ozone layer, or did he learn to restore himself, all of a sudden?

[Vadim237]

And what is not redundant - the production of 15000 tractors per year - technically and morally obsolete - who needs them in FIGs, now they need equipment that meets the criteria, lower cost, maximum efficiency. And the time when he could introduce new equipment to the market has long been lost. This is the case with most giants' factories - from a planned economy, their capacities and products did not meet the needs of the market in which fierce competition appeared, the state does not need unprofitable enterprises, they only support strategic ones. And no deodorants have anything to do with it.

[Grigory_78]

You will not believe - schools and hospitals do not bring profit! And, according to the laws of the market, almost all are subject to liquidation. In addition to those that are self-supporting (private at least).

[Walanin]

Even as they bring. Western economies instead of Russian. Try to find at least some normal Russian-made medical equipment. Not to mention the high-tech type of tomographs.

[Alf]

Quote: Vadim237

And what is not redundant - the production of 15000 tractors per year - technically and morally obsolete - who needs them in FIGs, now they need equipment that meets the criteria, lower cost, maximum efficiency. And the time when he could introduce new equipment to the market has long been lost. This is the case with most giants' factories - from a planned economy, their capacities and products did not meet the needs of the market in which fierce competition appeared, the state does not need unprofitable enterprises, they only support strategic ones. And no deodorants have anything to do with it.

So what's the problem ? If the old factory is ineffective, then demolish it and build another in its place, three times less in area and three times more efficient, producing world-class equipment. But, for some reason, only shopping centers and neighborhoods of elite (and even "elite") housing are being built in its place.

Quote: Vadim237

only strategic support.

The aviation industry is also strategic. How many passenger aircraft were built in 16? How many machines were built (built, but not assembled from Chinese parts)?

[Vadim237]

It is no longer profitable to assemble from Chinese components.

[pafegosoff]

In general, they killed not only the industry, but also people.
How many engineers, young specialists and experienced - no one needs in their specialty!
Although ... how to look. Perhaps metal cutting machines are endangered dinosaurs?
Ten years will pass and: to grow, sinter, weave and glue the details will be everywhere, as a matter of course.
New sliding principles will replace conventional bearings. Yes, and the details in the engines and propulsors will be reduced. Everything will look simpler, but a thousand times more technologically advanced and more powerful. As a modern phone, it’s more powerful than the five-story computer of the 1960s.
The mechanics are a bit behind electronics. But she is on the verge of great change.
It would seem that yesterday everyone was crazy about 8-bit computers on the i8080 (КР580) and Z-ZX-80, 81.
Binary and hexadecimal codes, assembler - all this seems to be somewhere in ancient Egypt since the construction of the pyramids.
And building, decoration materials? Plumbing, pipelines: plastic, bimetal ... Where is cast iron and steel?
The same will be with metal cutting machines.
And twenty years later it will be so much fun that ... as John Silver said there to the besieged?

[Vadim237]

3D machining centers with CNCs will increasingly replace conventional machines, earlier it took several machines to produce one part, and now one of them will fully cope with their functions.

[Div Divich]

You're wrong.

Simple machines for simple parts, complex machines for complex parts.

Nobody will make nuts on such machines.

We need different machines for different types of parts.

[Vadim237]

It depends on what size nuts and bolts are, and also from what material - but even ordinary nuts and bolts are already made on CNC machines.

[Piligrim]

Quote: Vadim237

And what is not redundant - the production of 15000 tractors per year - technically and morally obsolete - who needs them in FIGs, now they need equipment that meets the criteria, lower cost, maximum efficiency. And the time when he could introduce new equipment to the market has long been lost. This is the case with most giants' factories - from a planned economy, their capacities and products did not meet the needs of the market in which fierce competition appeared, the state does not need unprofitable enterprises, they only support strategic ones. And no deodorants have anything to do with it.

I like your "time lost." And who missed him? Who organized this "missed"? Imagine producing 15000 tractors a year, and you are aware that in Canada there is a museum of agricultural machinery and Belarus is there. By the way, it was the scheme of this tractor that was recognized as the best for wheeled tractor equipment and all the others were ripped off without a twinge of conscience. And how much of this amount was exported? You take an interest. Then you will understand that "perestroika" is a tool to kill a competitor. And I brought you deodorants to illustrate the working methods of Western corporations. There was a similar pattern with tractors. So think more and study the primary sources more carefully, otherwise MBA bears a mile away from your comments.

[Vadim237]

“So think more and study the primary sources more carefully” - There is no point in studying anything, the technology is outdated, and the outdated factories have been crumbling for a long time. Now they are trying to build medium-sized plants, but with maximum output - automation is being implemented everywhere.

[Walanin]

Quote: You Vlad

Read why they are invested in such assets and why in such!

read right at the top:

to ensure the balance of the federal budget while lowering oil prices below the base

that is, money is withdrawn from the oil-dependent commodity economy in order to reduce dependence on fluctuations in oil prices.
But now explain why this is done. instead to invest in your own industry and cease to depend on oil prices at all?

[Krabik]

In the 90s, all managers were shot and melted and prepared an army of traders at the universities of economics.

Now they are not investing their money in securities, but are purchasing the necessary equipment in China.

Here we take a vivid example, Putin and Medvedev.
They can indulge on TV as much as they like, but locally place their friends and relatives in responsible enterprises.

Tale for adults:
When Vladimir was a little boy, he often chased a ball with neighboring boys.
Once Volodya fell and planted his knee, a good neighbor who worked as a cleaner in a local store came up, wiped Volodya’s knee and felt sorry for him.

Now the son of this cleaning lady runs a port in Vladivostok ...

[Vlad5307]

It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines! We need a real program, not a paper and office, for which no one will ever answer!

[delvin-fil]

The stadium "Zenit Arena", built for 43 billion rubles, leaked roof

They also started with fanfare.

[Krabik]

The technical room, there is nothing to worry about, if the stadium has not collapsed, then everything can be repaired.

[brs2]

I don’t even see the point, but I can imagine how the one who wrote was tormented internally. Machine tool construction was the only industry in the USSR, evenly distributed across the republics. Everything else was 70-90% produced in the RSFSR. This is to talk, by the way, about the allegedly 30% share of Ukraine in the GDP of the USSR. It wasn’t even close. Even all the republics taken together did not have this share.