"Iron dome" over the CIS: with whom and from whom?

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How much do we know about the so-called Unified Air Defense System of the CIS Member States (CIS Air Defense System)? At best, just know what it is. And maybe it works.





Немного stories: The CIS Air Defense System was created on the basis of an agreement of ten Commonwealth countries signed on February 10 in Almaty by Almaty 1995. The 22 of the year is a hefty time, so it’s not surprising that by now the 6 member countries are actually in the contract:

Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia and Tajikistan.

Plus, Uzbekistan, which left the CSTO in 2012, but continues to take part in joint exercises of the CIS air defense forces and maintains bilateral cooperation with Russia on air defense issues.

To date, the air defense system has proven to be robust and sustainable. And so, recently, high-level conversations began about the need to strengthen the possibilities and modernize the existing one.

Not for nothing.

Moreover, if one glance at the documents, it means that in the event of a threat of military conflict, the air defense forces are coordinated from Moscow.

This is logical. But: the coordinator and the commander are positions somewhat different from each other. Especially when it comes to such serious things. Actually, it turns out that the air defense system of the CIS simply does not have a single command. And each “in which case” will decide with his head. Which, I recall, six.

Naturally, no one encroaches on the independence of the air defense forces of each of the participating countries, but precisely in the case of repelling a threat, orders must come from one place and be carried out without question. This is the army after all, not the parliament ...

At present, Russia is intensively implementing the idea of ​​“integrated regional air defense systems” or LFSs again within the framework of the CIS air defense system. What is the point?

The essence is in bilateral direct agreements with the member countries of the air defense system and the creation on their basis of these same air defense systems. In the East European, Caucasus and Central Asian regions of collective security. As an example, I will give the LFS of the air defense of Russia and Belarus, which is already working.

In April, 2016, Russia and Belarus completed the formation of the first unified system of this type in the Eastern European region. Everything is transparent here, Belarus is of strategic importance for Russia not without purpose. Near Poland and the Baltic states with NATO bases and airfields with American aircraft. Therefore, Minsk after Moscow has the most significant air defense forces in the Commonwealth, here Lukashenka doesn’t regret money, and Russia helps as much as it can. Including the upgraded MiG-29, the C-400 SAM and the Opponent-GE radar.

The meaning of the EPC air defense lies in the fact that in peacetime, the air defense systems of states operate in the normal mode, separately from each other. But in the event of a “threatened period”, a joint command is urgently created to control the EPC. Coordination is carried out from the Central command post of the commander of the Russian HQ.
And immediately the question arises: what is the "threatened period"? According to the text, this is the period of time that precedes the outbreak of war and is characterized by an extreme aggravation of the international situation. Vague, and if you look at the summaries News today, so we have almost this "threatened period" in the yard.

It turns out that the Russian VKS take command immediately before the outbreak of hostilities. And when we have enough time, if you look into the history, in such situations? Yes, never to anyone.

But the logic of reason still won, and 14 of March of this year, Lukashenko approved the changes and additions to the agreement on the EPC air defense. The “threatened period” was replaced by the “period of immediate threat of aggression”. This is a more accurate concept.

As an example, one can interpret the threat to the Russian contingent in Syria. Both military and civil.

It seems to be all fine. Of course, the dances of Lukashenka with a tambourine around a possible exit from the CSTO are a little strained, but even in this case, the EPC Treaty of Air Defense is valid. For this is a direct bilateral interstate agreement.

In addition to the East European system, two more EPCs are being created: the Caucasus and the Central Asian. Documents with Armenia and Kazakhstan have already been signed, negotiations are underway with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

From whom are the defense forces of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan protected? From China? It is doubtful, to be honest.

Kazakhstan’s air defenses are C-300, C-200 and C-75, which, to put it mildly, are not the first freshness. Kyrgyz air defense is even more modest - mainly C-75, C-125, and the Krug air defense system. The situation is similar in Tajikistan - С-75 and С-125.

But Russia and China have no differences, such as with the West. And the sale of new C-400 and Su-35 fighters would hardly have taken place, if it were otherwise.

So it’s not about China, and certainly not about India. The question arises: against whom, in fact, are friends?

And it turns out there is against whom. In the region there are two states. One of which is the generally accepted Central Asian hotbed of Wahhabism and other pleasures under the banner of pseudo-Islam. And the second, albeit not so radical, but at one time expressing protests against the launches of the "Calibrov" from the Caspian Sea.

So, there is against whom. Considering that air defense is absolutely defensive weaponthere can be no complaints from the former Soviet republics or states. And since we are talking about creating a system to counter the threat from the air, then we, that is, Russia, will have to seriously take care of this.

As for the Caucasian EPC, everything is clear there. He is still a boiler. And taking into account the water area of ​​the Black Sea, and the presence of Turkey, where Erdogan apparently never understands whose friend he is and how much in the time interval, then the need for the same actions is obvious.

Although work in this direction has been going on for years. Yes, the air defense of the participating countries has somewhat progressed, thanks to the Russian side. It is especially worth considering that the military budgets of the participating countries are far from the world tops.
Nevertheless, the acquisitions were made largely due to the ability (and desire) of Russia to provide weapons at reasonable prices.

In the 2015-2016 years, Kazakhstan received the 5 divisions of the C-300PS complexes, and Belarus the 4 divisions. The complexes were not new, but derived from the Russian air defense system when replaced with C-400. But they were provided free of charge.

Special financial conditions allowed Belarus and Armenia to acquire several new short-range systems Tor-M2 and medium-range Buk-M2.

Of course, first of all everyone is interested in C-400. But the new (and expensive) complex is the subject of a separate topic of conversation. The fact that C-400 as a skyguard in these regions is necessary is not discussed. Only the price for its use is discussed.

Buy in their full disposal C-400 countries are unlikely to be able to. To place on its territory Russian air defense systems under Russian control is a matter of diplomacy. And again, money.

Meanwhile, air defense is not only air defense missile systems, it is also airplanes. And here, too, the process goes.

Kazakhstan received the first batch of four Su-30CM in April 2015, and then another two fighters in December 2016. It is likely that Belarus will also receive these aircraft.

In general, the air defense system of the CIS may well become an effective military tool. The limited capabilities of Russia's allies in air defense (and even much more than modest within the framework of missile defense) can become an obstacle to the creation of an effective unified regional air defense system. Or delay the creation of the air defense system, which is aimed at repelling attacks from the air. Unfortunately, money here is the most fundamental factor.

However, the rather unstable political situation in the world, when, as practice shows, not a single country that has chosen an independent path of development can be insured against “restoring order” and “solving crises” by “peacekeepers” from NATO in general and the United States in particular shows that it is better to be not fully prepared than to be completely unprepared for such actions.

For Russia, closer interaction with the network of allied air defense systems and the creation of joint regional systems will provide their own air defense / missile defense forces with more opportunities to organize response measures, thanks to earlier information on threats.

Doubts about how realistic it is in the near future to create truly effective systems exist, and they are justified. Yes, and the Allied Air Force and Air Defense are much inferior to the Russian, if not more. But the first steps in this direction have been made, and as you know, only the walking will master the road.
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  1. +4
    April 14 2017 05: 53
    I’m still ashamed of the courage of the Americans in the 90s. Their generals openly mocked us openly. And why do you need an umbrella, we will cover you! I hope Russia will not tolerate such humiliations anymore?
    1. +2
      April 14 2017 06: 38
      I (I don’t want to drive one from the liberals in this regard), but it seems that "this umbrella" in Syria did NOT work ... (although we were assured of this after the Turkish attack on the Russian bomber)
      1. +3
        April 14 2017 07: 04
        But we had losses, or wounded? I don’t remember something? The USA is not suicides to climb under the fire of Russian air defense, or coastal missile systems!
        1. 0
          April 14 2017 08: 19
          what a somewhat strange definition you have for this very "umbrella" ... (if I’m not mistaken) ... the "closed sky" excludes the very possibility of delivering air strikes (be it aviation or the Kyrgyz Republic) ... that’s respected. if there is protection. then the Americans WELL NEVER CAN NOT fall under this very fire
          1. +1
            April 14 2017 09: 45
            the term "closed sky" should not be taken so literally. Opposite Air Defense implies the REFLECTION of air strikes and the leveling of negative consequences for the protected objects, and not the IMPOSSIBILITY of air strikes. the impossibility of strikes does not guarantee even the total use of nuclear weapons.
            1. +1
              April 14 2017 17: 07
              I would like to add. In the Central Asian direction, in the Republic of Kazakhstan, there is also a MiG-31. At least the squadron underwent repairs, maybe even modernization. At one time, it was these aircraft that made up a significant part of air defense in Kazakhstan. hi
      2. KCA
        0
        April 16 2017 03: 22
        And HOW should our air defense have worked, if Trump warned Putin 2 hours before the volley? Say thank you, impose detection tools and knock it down? Assad Putin warned that he removed people and equipment from the airport, here the games that large uncles play, we should not argue, although 36 axes were lost
    2. 0
      April 16 2017 21: 40
      The stronger the "iron dome" over the CIS, the faster Central Asia will switch to Latin. laughing
      1. 0
        April 16 2017 22: 01
        The stronger the "iron dome" over the CIS, the faster Central Asia will switch to Latin.
        Is it hot or cold for us? Vaughn Tataria, too, announced the transition to Latin. Maybe she switched, I don’t know. Their difficulties end up.
  2. +4
    April 14 2017 09: 21
    It seems to me that our umbrella is somehow leaky ((
    1. 0
      April 14 2017 09: 46
      strange emotional basis for assessing military-technical potential ...
    2. 0
      April 16 2017 03: 26
      Quote: Buka001
      It seems to me that our umbrella is somehow leaky ((


      Azerbaijan is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, respectively, if you have an umbrella and a hole, you have nothing to do with it, however, the Azerbaijani Air Force can always check the degree of its hole through an air raid on Yerevan or Gyumri ....
      1. 0
        April 16 2017 19: 48
        And why check if the US has already checked if, due to the "curvature of the earth", BGM-109 could not intercept what to say about the Dalilah-GL CD that can be launched with Lynx, which is sold by Israel ... for those who have even less radio horizon in the tank in the mountains than in the desert ... and all objects in the MLRS coverage area ..

        Armenia's problems lack of strategic depth for air defense ...
        1. 0
          April 16 2017 19: 53
          t00r Today, 19:48 ↑
          And why check if the US has already checked if, due to the "curvature of the earth", BGM-109 could not intercept what to say about the Dalilah-GL CD that can be launched with Lynx, which is sold by Israel ... for those who have even less radio horizon in the tank in the mountains than in the desert ... and all objects in the MLRS coverage area ..


          I didn’t hear something about shelling of Armenia
          BGM-109
          Did this internal connection of your tank headset tell you?

          Armenia's problems lack of strategic depth for air defense ...

          Israel has the same problem, for example, so what?
          1. +1
            April 16 2017 20: 46
            Quote: commbatant
            I didn’t hear something about shelling of Armenia
            Do you want to say that the S-300 in Armenia is somewhat different from the S-300 / S-400 in Syria ??? )))
            Quote: commbatant

            Armenia's problems lack of strategic depth for air defense ...

            Israel has the same problem, for example, so what?

            compared the territorial entity with which the GDP is less than Laos with Israel ...)))
            1. 0
              April 16 2017 21: 30
              t00r

              Do you want to say that the S-300 in Armenia is somewhat different from the S-300 / S-400 in Syria ??? )))


              But what, is there evidence that the Russian air defense systems deployed and protecting the RF Armed Forces in the SAR made an attempt to bring down the American “axes” and nothing came of it?
              Provide evidence to the "studio", or are you one of the many trolls working on a voluntary basis to promote the "best American weapon in the world" and to "prove" the flaw of Russian?
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    1. 0
      April 14 2017 18: 06
      Tell the unknowing people. For example, in Latakia, we have 5 installations with 300 with 4 missiles in a salvo, are these 20 missiles ready to be launched, and if the Americans fired 60 medieval tomahawks in one gulp and we would shoot at them with a probability of 1? Will the rest fly further?
      1. 0
        April 14 2017 18: 24
        In Latakia-S-400 and for each KR, two S-400 missiles are needed .... Therefore, in Latakia not only S-400 ....
      2. 0
        April 15 2017 01: 21
        Quote: Clever man
        Will the rest fly further?

        Not only the rest will fly. Everyone will fly on. There are 12 C300 installations with 4 rockets each. 48pcs It makes no sense to shoot. All the same, the goals of the axes will be achieved. Our defense was built to combat aircraft. This decision was made after the downing of SU24 by the Turks. No one in the leadership of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation could even imagine (brains for the future are not enough? Kindergarten!) Such a massive attack. And this same miniature Amer BSU turned out. And even we were not ready for him. And amers, already now, have 7 thousand units prepared for the Fast Global Impact. KP. Who will protect us? Can’t we talk about the allies - the Syrians? ... Is there no money for a full-fledged defense? Forgot about 41? Or will we immediately engage nuclear weapons?
        1. +1
          April 16 2017 07: 24
          If seven thousand tomahawks fly in our direction, then we’ll apply nuclear weapons right away! The doctrine of the Russian Federation says in black and white, and any sane person in the Moscow Region understands that even if we reflect at least 30-40%, which is very, very unlikely, then the remaining 60-70% of axes will destroy our military infrastructure almost to zero! Conclusion, there will immediately be a missile strike at bases in Europe, and then across the ocean !!! There will never be a war between the US and Russia in the sense in which we imagine from the movie, it will be just the end of humanity, and the survivors, n envy burned per second in a nuclear Armageddon!
      3. 0
        April 16 2017 03: 31
        Quote: Clever man
        Tell the unknowing people. For example, in Latakia, we have 5 installations with 300 with 4 missiles in a salvo, are these 20 missiles ready to be launched, and if the Americans fired 60 medieval tomahawks in one gulp and we would shoot at them with a probability of 1? Will the rest fly further?


        Three echelons of defense: how does the anti-aircraft missile defense at the Khmeimim air base
        More on TASS:
        http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2650477

        Article from the video from the VO site (this year) https://topwar.ru/113128-s-300-is-400-nadezhno-z
        aschischayut-rossiyskie-bazy-hmeymim-i-tartus-vs
        irii.html
  4. 0
    April 14 2017 20: 08
    I don’t know, of course, how much we have. But the fifth point is that I feel that it’s so small that different complexes need to be increased tens, if not hundreds of times. This sensation comes from a simple fact - several thousand cruise and other sea-based missiles from NATO (mainly the United States), air-based cruise missiles, a couple of thousands of US and NATO aircraft and what the hell knows what.
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  6. +2
    April 16 2017 06: 40
    With all due respect, the author took up the topic in which little is understood. The article contains a number of errors of a technical nature and contains obviously not reliable information. For example, quote:
    Therefore, after Moscow, Minsk has the most significant air defense forces in the Commonwealth, here Lukashenko spares no money, and Russia helps as much as it can. Including modernized MiG-29, S-400 air defense systems and Opponent-GE
    The most significant forces are probably all the same in Kazakhstan, but they are spread there over a vast territory. But this is not about that, if the MiG-29 and the Opponent-GE radar in Belarus really exist, then regarding the S-400 air defense systems it is a mistake, the Belarusian military does not have such anti-aircraft systems. No. The newest anti-aircraft systems in the air defense of the Republic of Belarus are the S-300PS, built during the Soviet era and undergoing a “minor modernization” and restoration.
    1. 0
      April 16 2017 20: 05
      Bongo

      The most significant forces are probably all the same in Kazakhstan, but they are spread there over a vast territory.

      contradict your own statements, the RK does not have a continuous radio-electronic field and fragmentary cover of certain directions of the air defense system.
      The Republic of Kazakhstan does not have C-400 in service, but there are a lot of rarities (which were long written off in the Republic of Belarus) - the Kub, S-75, S-200, Krug air defense systems ....

      In fairness, I must say that the Republic of Kazakhstan has something that the Republic of Belarus does not have: Su-27, Su-30MS and MiG-31, which partially compensate for gaps in the air defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan ....

      it’s a mistake regarding S-400 air defense systems, there are no such anti-aircraft systems at the disposal of the Belarusian military

      you are mistaken again, there are such systems (they were delivered to the Republic of Belarus via barter as a lease of land for Russian radars in Vileyka and Baranovich)
      https://rns.online/military/Rossiya-postavila-Bel
      orussii-dve-zenitnih-raketnih-sistemi-S-400-2016-
      06-28 /

      https://riafan.ru/532810-moskva-otblagodarila-min
      sk-za-besplatnuyu-arendu-zemli-sistemami-s-400
      1. +2
        April 17 2017 02: 29
        Quote: commbatant
        contradict your own statements, the RK does not have a continuous radio-electronic field and fragmentary cover of certain directions of the air defense system.

        What is the contradiction? Or do you want to say that air defense in Belarus is not focal?
        Quote: commbatant
        The Republic of Kazakhstan does not have C-400 in service, but there are a lot of rarities (which were long written off in the Republic of Belarus) - the Kub, S-75, S-200, Krug air defense systems ....

        The Krug and Kub military complexes in Kazakhstan are also decommissioned ...
        Quote: commbatant
        In fairness, I must say that the Republic of Kazakhstan has something that the Republic of Belarus does not have: Su-27, Su-30MS and MiG-31, which partially compensate for gaps in the air defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan ....
        That's fair ... there really is Yes But how many and in what territory?
        Regarding C-400, I am not mistaken, you provide false information. And the source is clearly not authoritative, Military Balance, Global Security, etc. do not confirm this. Nowhere have I made any mention of the fact that the S-400 air defense systems carry databases in Belarus either in the past or now. Russian S-400 launchers in the past participated in a military parade in Minsk, but they returned to Russia. Unfortunately, we have an abundance of politicians who want to be promoted and not responsible for their words. negative
        In addition, the lease of land under the radar SPRN and the communication center with submarines under the interstate agreement is carried out on gratis.
        Here about Belarus air defense: The current state of the air defense of the countries of the former Soviet Union republics. Part 1

        Air Defense of Kazakhstan: The current state of the air defense of the countries of the former Soviet Union republics. Part 8 (clickable) hi
        1. 0
          April 17 2017 09: 48
          Bongo

          Air defense in Belarus is not focal?


          Focal, but the distance between the foci is less, and the territory of the Republic of Belarus is less than the Republic of Kazakhstan ...
          The Republic of Kazakhstan does not have C-400 in service, but there are a lot of rarities (which were long written off in the Republic of Belarus) - the Kub, S-75, S-200, Krug air defense systems ....


          VIKI gives this source: International Institute For Strategic Studies. The Military Balance 2016 / James Hackett. - London: Taylor & Francis, 2016 .-- 186 p. - ISBN ISBN 9781857438352.
          Your favorite Directory "Jane, for example, is updated ONCE a year, and not in the current mode"

          This is fair ... there really is yes But how much and to which territory?

          On "VIKI" this is also indicated with reference to the source I mentioned above: International Institute For Strategic Studies. The Military Balance 2016 / James Hackett. - London: Taylor & Francis, 2016 .-- 186 p. - ISBN ISBN 9781857438352.
          TODAY.KZ. The second batch of Su-30SM generation 4 ++ fighters arrived in Kazakhstan (ru-RU), Today.kz. Retrieved December 27, 2016.
          http://military-kz.ucoz.org/index/sily_vozdushnoj
          _oborony_vvs / 0-20

          I must note that the MiG-31 is in service only with the Russian Air Force and the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

          Regarding the S-400, I’m not mistaken, you provide false information. And the source is clearly not authoritative

          I brought you two sources, and the information apparently has not yet managed to get into your authoritative sources ....

          The above articles about the air defense of the CIS countries I read I liked ....
          1. +2
            April 18 2017 07: 33
            Quote: commbatant
            Focal, but the distance between the foci is less, and the territory of the Republic of Belarus is less than the Republic of Kazakhstan ..

            Of course, but if you looked at a map of the deployment of air defense systems and air defense systems in the Republic of Belarus and the Republic of Kazakhstan, you probably noticed that they are not just “spread out” across the territory, but also cover specific objects. Given the fact that the territory of Kazakhstan is mostly desert and steppe, this country is much more interested in long-range interceptors than air defense systems.
            Quote: commbatant
            On "VIKI" this is also indicated with reference to the source I mentioned above: International Institute For Strategic Studies. The Military Balance 2016

            Vika, this is laughter, not the source ... which air defense systems were sent to the Republic of Belarus last year, I know, just like where they carried the database .. Moreover, in the past I even saw these C-300PS close. It will not be difficult for you to quote Military Balance 2016, which says that in Belarus there is C-400. You can even in English.
            Quote: commbatant
            The second batch of Su-30СМ 4 ++ fighters arrived in Kazakhstan

            And where did I deny it? what Although the "pluses" is a purely Russian invention.
            Quote: commbatant
            I brought you two sources, and the information apparently has not yet managed to get into your authoritative sources ..

            I see no reason for sarcasm, we draw information from various sources.
            Quote: commbatant
            The above articles about the air defense of the CIS countries I read I liked ....

            On this cycle, it took me about 2 months. hi
  7. 0
    April 16 2017 22: 07
    Somehow all this is incomprehensible. We will not take all 6 states, we take Belarus. Suppose the enemy strikes the Kyrgyz Republic against the Russian Federation. Foreign intelligence did not convey, did not recognize, etc. Naturally, this is not the time of the cavalry or even the Wehrmacht of the time of 41 years. The launch of the Kyrgyz Republic is tens of minutes to the goals. It is necessary to reach an agreement with the Old Man, get his consent. Or maybe refuse. And How? Time is running out. The first echelon can go KR without a warhead.
    So this is one dad, and if you take the five remaining? It will take time to persuade, negotiate. Then the question. And why do we need such allies. In my opinion, it is better to deploy advanced missile defense bases of the Russian Federation there for each ally, and then the coordination issue disappears on its own. Type - we will protect you. And so we spend money, train, supply at our expense. And what kind of efficiency. It is clear that this cloud is the so-called Allies will pull the blanket over themselves.
    In this regard, I understand the behavior of the United States. We pay, protect and decide Everything for you. And no one will pick up !!!! Are they planning to attack the Russian Federation or China will coordinate this with their "allies" ?! Do not tell my sneakers!
    For 25 years, they have implanted in all the states of both Old and New Europe their presidents and their closest associates. And those seeing that it is black Everywhere will claim that it is white. We see it every day. And we try to take into account the interests of all.
    We should rely only on ourselves. And in modern conditions, it is probably not very good to feed others who are not too rich.
    1. 0
      April 16 2017 22: 17
      You are a young man, you don’t feel the whole political moment and obviously do not share the line of the Party and the Government of the Russian Federation ...

      “Old Man” said I don’t need your damn air regiment near Baranavichy equipped with Su-30 MS, you’d better give us these planes for free and we will defend the Union sky for them ourselves (so what, that the RB sent all its Su-27s for storage ) ....
      And does anyone know how much the Russian Federation pays for the rent of a radar in Vileyka and Baranovichi, no, and I don’t know, but I know that the Russian Federation has delivered several S-400 air defense systems in Belarus to pay this rent ...

      In short, it is necessary to disperse this “almshouse", but as you don’t listen to the leaders of our "allied countries", the Russian Federation owes everything, there is no Union 1/4 century, the Russian Federation paid Soviet debts for the entire republic, but it still owes to these republics ... .