ECHR actually ruled Russia guilty of Beslan 2004 tragedy of the year

The European Court of Human Rights today made a decision obliging Russia (as a state) to pay out to the relatives of the victims of the terrorist act in Beslan 2,95 million euros plus 88 thousand euros of legal costs. The plaintiffs asked the ECtHR to consider article 2 of the European Convention on the Protection of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms. Relatives, when filing a lawsuit, stated that the Russian state violated this article by not protecting the rights and freedoms of those who eventually became victims of the terrorist attack in Beslan in 2004.

Interfax reports that the plaintiffs were a total of 409 people, among whom were former hostages of terrorists.

The ECHR agreed with the arguments of the plaintiffs and their protection and decided to oblige the Russian Federation to pay the above amounts.

From the wording of the ECHR:

Russia has not taken sufficient measures to prevent the terrorist attack and minimize casualties among the hostages.

The decision of the European Court of Human Rights commented in the Kremlin. According to the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Peskov, such language is absolutely unacceptable. Reports about it RIA News. Dmitry Peskov noted that our country has repeatedly faced attacks from terrorists and has always undertaken and continues to do everything possible to counter terrorist activity.

Recall that the victims of the terrorist attack in Beslan were 334 people.

As a kind of afterword, the question is: when will the ECHR deal not only with considering claims against the Russian Federation, but also with real opposition to terrorism? For example, when will the international courts decide to block the accounts of companies that are somehow involved in financing terrorist activities? These companies do not violate the rights and freedoms of civilians? ..

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[Spartanez300]

It’s completely thugs scumbags to make such statements.

[Marksman]

Apparently in Europe they forgot how vehemently they supported the brave fighters for freedom and independence of Ichkeria ... How much stench was on all our actions aimed at their extermination.

"It’s your fault that I want to eat" ...

[cniza]

Why do not we file counterclaims against those who financed and supported the barmalei?

[Odysseus]

Quote: cniza

Why do not we file counterclaims against those who financed and supported the barmalei?

Where to file? At the ECHR?
It’s the same as complaining about a bandit to this very bandit.

[cniza]

And here we will listen to their arguments and how they will look, today there are tools that would put pressure on them.

[SRC P-15]

It is necessary to hint the Yugoslavs, Iraqis and Libyans to submit to the ECHR the EU and the USA for the terror that they organized there.

[cniza]

Many can be contracted there, but why don't we do this ?.

[BATUHAN]

It is time for the ECHR to be recognized as a terrorist organization for the constant terror over reason.
You need to get out of international courts. This is all bullshit.

[Glory1974]

You need to get out of international courts. This is all bullshit.

Fight the enemy with his own weapons. To file claims against sponsors of terrorism, otherwise it turns out to be a one-goal game. What is the way with a lawsuit against Georgians 08.08.08?
And if you just sit doing nothing, then it’s better to go out.

[Orionvit]

So in relation to 08.08.08., Russia has long been recognized as an aggressor, and Georgia is a poor sheep. Interestingly, but in these so-called "international" courts, are there representatives of Russia?

[Abel]

sue usa for libya, iraq, syria, vietnam, korea, somalia

[Shadowcat]

They are not members of the ECHR

[Hammerlock]

excuse me, who are the Yugoslavs? Or do you mean the Serbs?

[Odysseus]

Quote: cniza

And here we will listen to their arguments and how they will look, today there are tools. to put pressure on them.

Well, what are the arguments? Well, excuse me, for being naive. Who is interested in any arguments there?
“Ah, what am I to blame?” - “Be quiet! I'm tired of listening,
Leisure me sort your fault, puppy!
You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat. "
Said and dragged into the dark forest Lamb.
The only and sufficient “instrument of pressure” on them is a way out of this ECHR.

[cniza]

Today, the ECHR is a lamb, so "whoever feeds him dances it."

[Hammerlock]

while they are dancing Arabs and other refugees

[siberalt]

And if the "barmalei" citizens of the Russian Federation and they have already finished? Comrades, let's not dust in vain. The state was already obliged to pay compensation for the victims in Beslan to its own citizens, without waiting for the shame from going to an international court. And nehru blame the mirror! There are still possible appeals to the ECHR of thousands of our children, who were impudently thrown into the "fighting" for the call to Chechnya through the military commissariats. But after all, these "combat" were obtained by someone and sold for 50% really? I personally tried to help dozens of "Chechens" get combat. Useless. Courts of all levels refused to accept claims without any justification.

[alexmach]

Assistance to families of victims of the events in Beslan has already exceeded $ 33 million, but, like Dudiev, they really received only 100 thousand rubles each. This is the standard cash payment, which was established after the terrorist attack in the Moscow theater in 2002, and relies on every member of the family who died due to the fault of terrorists.

https://iwpr.net/ru/global-voices/beslan-kak-post
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So material aid was paid

[siberalt]

And what is it measured in, this material assistance? It is a matter of compensation for non-pecuniary damage, and it is sometimes incommensurable with compensation for the cost of a funeral. Since Russia introduced such an obligation in the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, it is up to everyone to fulfill their own Law, including the state, as an equal subject of civil law relations.

[alexmach]

100 thousand in 2004 prices is not very much, but still it is more than help for the funeral.
Compensating for the loss of a loved one with money is not a fact, which is generally possible.
There was a tragedy. Is the state guilty of what happened? To a certain extent, yes. Could such a tragedy have been avoided? I believe that no one can give a 100% guarantee, terrorist attacks, if anything, take place in the most democratic and prosperous countries.

Why should the state itself compensate for moral damage, and where is my compensation for the moral damage from the collapse of the USSR?

Whether the victims were helped enough - I don’t know. Is there any reason to file a lawsuit and a guilty verdict on it? It seems to me not. The decision is nonsense. Should it be implemented or canceled? To be honest, I'm not busy. It can even make a move with a horse - a decision to recognize as illegal and cancel and still pay additional compensation / help.

[andrewTSO]

Yes, it is necessary to demand compensation from the West for the collapse of the USSR. For moral damage, as well as for lost profits

[Abel]

And how many victims of the terrorist attack in Nice, Berlin?

[Iline]

Quote: siberalt

who were impudently thrown at the "combat" for the call to Chechnya through the military commissariats

They threw not only those who were called up through the military registration and enlistment offices. When we filed a lawsuit in a military court on a similar issue, then such sums came up there - Mama Do not Cry. As a result, during a conversation on the sidelines, the judge spoke out in the sense that if I award these amounts to you, then I will simply be removed from work. And I have a family, children, etc.
But according to the results of this trial, such a good part of the district headquarters in Rostov went through criminal cases.
And about the fact that the state did not protect its citizens from terrorism, this is a far-fetched idea. This, with common sense, can only roll when the state really hasn’t hit a finger in this regard. But this just cannot be said. Or do the gentlemen from the ECHR propose that Russia again introduce the Iron Curtain for everyone, including the former republics of the USSR, make all currency transfers only through a state bank and only for state agents, restore order in religion and turn off the Internet, just in case?
Something I do not see similar after numerous attacks in Europe, including compensation to relatives.

[kirieeleyson]

Quote: Iline

Or do the gentlemen from the ECHR propose that Russia again introduce the Iron Curtain for everyone, including the former republics of the USSR, make all currency transfers only through a state bank and only for state agents, restore order in religion and turn off the Internet, just in case?

This path to total public control. Any state can afford it and introduce emergency modes with the disconnection of all means of communication throughout the region, if not across the country. Can we afford it? “Yes” Do I need to do this? I think the majority will answer no. Relatives of the victims are of course right in relation to claims for payments if they were not posted. On the amount of payments and on the order - a separate decree was issued earlier. If you do not agree with these parameters - it is possible and necessary to protest it. But without the courts of the ECHR. It is constitutionally prescribed for us to be guided exclusively by decisions of sovereign legislation, therefore the decision to give to the ECHR was empty, initially they subjected this process to a conflict of interests and rights of the state and international law. As a rule, in such cases the decision is made in favor of state legislation.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Iline

Something I do not see similar after numerous attacks in Europe, including compensation to relatives.

Moreover, the European Union and European leaders have done everything to ensure that these attacks were then in Beslan, and now in Europe. It is necessary to create some kind of Eurasian council for the protection of human rights with its own court, and to leave the European one.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: siberalt

Useless. Courts of all levels refused to accept claims without any justification.

I got mine. the first time as it should be at the box office of the military unit. the second time, of course, already in court. but received. my colleagues too. so not everything is so ....

[andrewTSO]

A lot of buccaff, not asil.
And who will judge McLaren that he deceived everyone? Or for a test tube with washing powder, for the killing of Gaddafi and more than a million Iraqis. There is a list of wow!

[kapitan92]

Quote: andrewTSO

A lot of buccaff, not asil.

It happens! Free educational program - use it.

Quote: andrewTSO

And who will judge McLaren that he deceived everyone?

Why do you think that he deceived everyone? There is no smoke without fire. They beat not those who steal, but those who are caught.

Quote: andrewTSO

There is a list of wow!

So we are waiting for the Libyans and Iraqis to enter the Hague Tribunal in the USA and NATO.

[Stanislas]

Quote: kapitan92

Libyans and Iraqis get to Hague Tribunal in USA and NATO

There is almost no typo: if they give, then they will fall precisely for all the moral suffering of the NATO

[Pete mitchell]

We must follow the example of Britain and send a message to the ECHR: let them stick their opinions on ... Twitter. Hooks are ready to challenge anyone, if only they stroked the head. With bourgeois filing, terrorists were nurtured in Russia. It is the Country’s business to decide how to resolve the issue with its citizens.

[svp67]

Quote: Spartanez300

Absolutely stupid people have completely messed up.

But I support this decision. Why? Yes, because in this case the State was punished, and not Russia, which could not protect its citizens. And it would be time for officials to recall that they bear RESPONSIBILITY for people and should know that they will be punished for not conscientiously fulfilling their duties.
Who has been punished for having committed this attack? Announce the list. Killed people, CHILDREN. And when I do not believe that it happened just like that. No, "each state of emergency has its own NAME, NAME, and SURNAME." These are the words of Stalin and I here agree with him.

As a kind of afterword, the question is: when will the ECHR deal not only with considering claims against the Russian Federation, but also with real opposition to terrorism? For example, when will the international courts decide to block the accounts of companies that are somehow involved in financing terrorist activities? These companies do not violate the rights and freedoms of civilians? ..

Correctly. But the counter-question - AND WHO SUCH SUITED FOR SUCH? We talk too much about this possibility, but do too little. We could not or did not want to, I feel the fragility of our position, to protect our athletes in the courts. Even now, when international federations begin to make decisions that justify them and reject the “arguments” of the McLaren commission, why are they not suing both him and WADA?

[oborzevatel]

Interfax reports that the plaintiffs were a total of 409 people, including former terrorist hostages.

And, by chance, are the relatives of the terrorists, and the terrorists themselves, also victims?
They also compensation?

[siberalt]

In civil law there is the concept of “recourse claim” (lawsuit). According to which, the one on whom the court “charged” material liability for the actions of third parties has the right to recover the costs from the specific person responsible for the damage caused by the court for the obligation imposed and executed by the court. In a specific case, law enforcement agencies must prove the connection in causing harm to a particular person in a criminal manner, and after the court has recognized his guilt, lay in civil, full or partial (if possible) reimbursement for compensation that has already been paid by the state (in fact, the Ministry of Finance ) So, let the investigators dare, and the courts exact. What the difference is to the citizen who will pay him. He is under the protection of the state and let the state "snoopers" defend his interests. For this, they receive a salary from a part of the earnings of the same citizen.

[mihey]

Do you know a method of combating terrorism? He is the only one - cut the entire relatives of the terrorist! The rest does not roll. Nobody has the right to punish the State and Russia, as the State that committed a terrorist act in their territory. The state itself punished itself with mildness towards these creatures (terrorists) - this is a problem of the state, and not of some obscure Tolerastians there.

[oborzevatel]

Quote: mihey

Do you know a method of combating terrorism? He is the only one - to cut out all the relatives of the terrorist!

In this case, I agree.
And also stop subsidizing regions of residence of both terrorists and their relatives.
How many percent of the republican budget are subsidized from the federal budget, you know?
Only no one will do this, in any case, under the current government.
Because, as in teips they will be very unhappy.

Only conversation, in this case, is not about that.

[mihey]

I expressed my opinion on a specific statement. Appeal to the courts is a crazy idea in the current political situation.
About stop subsidizing the regions of residence of both terrorists and their relatives - in practice impracticable. You can’t hide all the people for a thorn, because they pay to specific people who “solve everything”. Maybe so far this is the most reasonable solution - the absence of hemorrhoids in a particular territory. Although forever, this should not continue.

[mihey]

I'm sorry, Comrade Lieutenant General. Absolutely did not mean by his statement a call for violence, did not focus on any particular nationality. Terrorism as such does not have a nationality or religion. This is a manifestation of a certain ideology aimed at achieving specific goals. That is - a tactical solution to the task aimed at implementing the strategic.

[AID.S]

Quote: mihey

He is the only one - to cut out the whole family of the terrorist!

Are you ready to slaughter terrorist children? Or start a gas chamber? Or decide who is a relative and who is not?

[mihey]

I believe that the question is purely rhetorical? Also, I believe that children of about 10 did not throw Molotov cocktails on your armor? In the distant 80s, as a young boy, a pioneer activist, he met a boy 12 years old, he was in the USSR for rehabilitation. Hero of Lebanon - on his account 4 (!!!) Israeli armor. However, there was a war between states and enemies killed enemies. Girls and women with shahid belts are also from this opera. The examples, in this case, are simply as illustrations of age and gender. Of the two warring parties, the one who succeeds will win. Therefore, the question is not “ready or not ready?”, But what needs to be done to win this war.

[You Vlad]

Quote: mihey

Do you know a method of combating terrorism? He is the only one - to cut out all the relatives of the terrorist!

No need to go to extremes, we have the twentieth century in the yard, and there’s no one to master the north!

[mihey]

Except for an eternal settlement. I do not know of cases where those who returned from there or their descendants have changed for the better. You don’t have to go far for examples.

[andrewTSO]

What does it mean just like that ?! There was a terrorist attack on the school! This is not just taken and killed more than 300 people. If the school crashed and crushed these people, or there is an outbreak of a deadly disease - then it would be another matter. Or, for example, an earthquake shook, and they would not have been saved ...

[cniza]

Why are we so toothless, every “bastard” is promoting on our mountain, where are our lawyers?

[210ox]

I understand the grief of people .. But these "plaintiffs", where are they now?

Quote: cniza

Why are we so toothless, every “bastard” is promoting on our mountain, where are our lawyers?

[uskrabut]

Our Constitutional Court ruled as binding decisions of the ECHR, etc.

[Gray brother]

Quote: uskrabut

Our Constitutional Court ruled as binding decisions of the ECHR, etc.

And he did it right. The accusation of the ECHR, by the way, is based on the fact that the special forces allegedly used flamethrowers and grenade launchers, which caused the undermining of the school and the government of the Russian Federation could not prove the opposite.
Moreover, evidence that this was exactly as they say, the ECHR was not needed.
There is a biased attitude

[novel66]

in my opinion, this is not enough, it is necessary to ban this organization on our territory, and send to hell with dogs, and pendel for last

[Topotun]

Do not ban - quit participating in these projects. From the word in general. Why pay money for participating in openly hostile structures?

[novel66]

forbid - so that their stinking spirit was not here, and money, yes, to hell with them

[alexmach]

Not all. He has the right to overturn specific decisions, such as this.

[siberalt]

No dirt. The Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation can only be “resolved” by a specific decision regarding the mandatory implementation of it, but it cannot cancel the Constitution. The Russian Federation has given part of its sovereignty to international courts and international treaties.
I have not yet met a case of changes in Russian legislation recommended by the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation in a particular case. He relates this to the jurisdiction of the State. Well, it's like a snake swallowing its tail. There is no one to ask.

[alexmach]

Why toothless then? Lawyers - work. Wrote below - the Constitutional Court of Russia has the right to annul the decisions of this ECHR. Perhaps this decision should be done in this way, although of course the victims probably also need help ...

[siberalt]

The Russian Constitutional Court for Europe is not a decree, as long as it is expressly spelled out in our Constitution! The rest is from the evil one. The system must be changed!

[Yeraz]

Quote: cniza

Why are we so toothless, every “bastard” is promoting on our mountain, where are our lawyers?

and what does the lawyers have to do with it. Maybe the state didn’t help the victims enough since they applied in the amount of 409 people ??? Maybe you should take a look at yourself ????
So the victims also scum just dared to go to court of the enemy ????

[Vladimir 38]

It’s a pity it’s impossible to swear at such news without a mat

[Lord of the Sith]

European Viper - Consumption 1 rocket ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

European Viper - Consumption 1 rocket ...

In all its glory, European rat nature ... I remember my grandfather's stories about the Second World War ... they went to Poland, so they were met with flowers and flags in every city with a grateful tear ... in Germany, in order to get a bowl of Hitler-kaput soup, they tearfully repeated ... but I recall the 39th ... fire procession, Russophobia and slogans about the purity of the nation. Oh in vain the German contingent of our troops withdrew from Germany.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: NEXUS

Oh in vain brought немецкий contingent of our troops from Germany.

Andrei, you probably meant the "limited contingent of our troops in Germany"?

[NEXUS]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Andrei, you probably meant the "limited contingent of our troops in Germany"?

Yes, thanks for the amendment ... it was his darling.

[Svarog51]

Sorry to interfere. Then GSVG - Group of Soviet Forces in Germany.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

European Viper - Consumption 1 rocket ...

With a warhead loaded with horse laxative!

[210ox]

Sergey, there’s a dime a dozen of these "gadyushnikov" .. You have to use the regiment .. Minimum ..

Quote: Lord of the Sith

European Viper - Consumption 1 rocket ...

[Warrior with machine gun]

or a lot of shahids for throwing Euro-rams into the air onto molecules until they understand that an armed bandit in the west is no different from an armed bandit in the east

[siberalt]

Don’t rave it! The court is legally right, since it does not have the right to take into account other justifications on the subject of the claim, except as stated by the plaintiffs and other interested parties. It’s just that our “Barshchevskys” once again slapped their ears for the interests of the state (if they didn’t do it intentionally). "The boat sank" !.

[Warrior with machine gun]

our “Barshchevskys” are screwing their brains so that they can file such claims, to the lantern they are interested in the interests of the country, their native pocket is of most interest to them.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Spartanez300

It’s completely thugs scumbags to make such statements.

Everything is clear with them.
I don’t understand.

To sue your state in a foreign court for a popular tragedy, I think it’s wrong
.
This is not a bureaucrat or an unfair court decision to file a complaint.

[Buffet]

It is, of course, yes ... Only now more and more often the news is leaking to the press that here victims of the terrorist attack and relatives of the victims were not paid compensation ... It’s somewhere else. But surely then in 2004 it was said that compensation would be paid. And if such a mass lawsuit, then there were no payments?

[Dimontius]

Why did you attack the ECHR? everything is clear with him for a long time! but do not say a word about 409 plaintiffs? do they do this right?

[Saburov]

Quote: Spartanez300

It’s completely thugs scumbags to make such statements.

Well, the European court is understandable ... narrow-minded people. But on the assumption that our counterintelligence, agents and opera missed the preparation of the terrorist act and hostage-taking, the responsibility for this usually lies with the siloviki and the state. Good work of counterintelligence and agents when terrorist attacks are prevented and prevented.

Sincerely.

[andrewTSO]

Something is not particularly visible to whom it has so much succeeded ...
Even Israel, which in such conditions lives almost from the very beginning of its existence

[Asadullah]

But based on the fact that our counterintelligence, agents and opera missed the preparation of the attack and hostage-taking,

Can you tell me how it should have been done? Maybe a chip to insert, into the minds of all citizens, so that thoughts flock to the central which information center? In this case, these chips still had to be installed in Doha.

[Saburov]

Quote: Asadullah

Can you tell me how it should have been done? Maybe a chip to insert, into the minds of all citizens, so that thoughts flock to the central which information center? In this case, these chips still had to be installed in Doha.

Now, if, for example, thieves pulled money and things from the house (ground floor) through the window, who is to blame? The first thing, of course, is thieves. But this is a consequence, and the reason is that you yourself did not take care to at least put gratings on the windows, knowing about thieves. And the police who do not prevent such crimes. And the social situation, which pushes for such crimes and education, when a person is not able to think that you can earn in other ways than theft. How did the USSR then successfully solve these problems? The country had a clearly streamlined system of intelligence, both from internal agents and from external ones. The district police officers used to know all the criminals and repeat offenders in their precincts (since there were not so many of them). Plus, the country had a single, high-quality education system, from Tashkent to Tallinn, everyone studied using the same textbooks, which ultimately made it possible to eliminate ethnic and religious contradictions. The social system and the state provided citizens with well-paid jobs and free services. Here is the reason for the lack of terrorism and inter-religious conflicts. Think and do in advance, and not dream about chips. No one belittles the heroism of Alpha and the special forces, but for this it would be worth asking those who are the guarantor of the security of citizens of the Russian Federation.

Sincerely.

[Asadullah]

The country had a clearly streamlined system of intelligence, both from internal agents and from external ones. The district police officers used to know all the criminals and repeat offenders in their precincts (since there were not so many of them).

It seems that we lived with you in different countries. After Chebrikov practically defeated counterintelligence, the nepotism system led to unprecedented betrayal in the nineties. Which of course influenced the collapse of the USSR. About district police officers, I won’t even get hung up on them, they knew only people in the villages. Now, about the guarantor, how do I understand about Putin? Do you blame him for failing to anticipate the plans of the enemy who composed them in Qatar? And the fact that since the year 2000 there has not been a single case of betrayal in intelligence, does this mean anything?

[Saburov]

Quote: Asadullah

It seems that we lived with you in different countries.

If we compare the USSR and the Russian Federation, then in different.

Quote: Asadullah

After Chebrikov practically defeated counterintelligence, the nepotism system led to unprecedented betrayal in the nineties.

It is familiar that during his “reign” in the KGB I studied at the ChVTKU. But so to speak, he did not “defeat”, but only did everything by virtue of his abilities as a fast career. Gorbach and Yakovlev and his comrades-in-arms began really to break with 1989 of the year, and EBN finally surrendered all our agents abroad.

Quote: Asadullah

Which of course affected the collapse of the USSR.

The collapse of the USSR artificially created conditions by Comrade Yakovlev.

Quote: I destroyed the Soviet system through the party nomenclature, through the dictatorship of laws in the CPSU, through transparency, through conversion and deficit ... I was cunning, but I knew what was going on. It’s time to end the Soviet system ...

Quote: Asadullah

About district police officers, I won’t even get hung up on them, they knew only people in the villages.

For example, in our country (Nizhny Novgorod 70-e), everyone knew not only their precinct, but almost all of the "neighboring" precincts. They constantly went home and carried out preventive work on education and order. Then the policeman was really a person and representative of the state. And not like now clowns, in whom the mug does not fit under the cap and the mammon falls out of the tunic. Which state, such and representatives is an axiom.

Quote: Asadullah

Now, about the guarantor, how do I understand about Putin? Do you blame him for failing to anticipate the plans of the enemy who composed them in Qatar?

I also thought so before against the backdrop of universal admiration for the guarantor of the constitution. But judged by deeds, not by words. Of course, many thanks to him for airplanes, ships, helicopters and foreign policy, but ... The foreign policy of the state is built on the principle of improving domestic. And now we have an internal policy based on the principles of thieves and hucksters. People are robbed in every possible way. All strikes or strikes are attributed to decoy ducks such as Navalny or crushed by our Russian Guard. According to the media, one bl ... and otupolovlenie people to distract attention from urgent problems. There are long-range strikes on strike, even if someone from the central media has shown that everyone is silent at the direction of local and metropolitan princes and tsars. The people are already embittered by this dumb-headed authority that has parties in the caviar and tells the people that it is necessary to live badly for the motherland, when the fat pop from the screen speaks of humility and repentance, and in his hands there is a watch for 30.000 euros and a Mercedes at the entrance. When the authorities speak of the Soviet legacy, of the bad west, but in fact they are building an ebn center and investing in the western economy, storing money there and buying bonds. When a teacher receives 20 thousand rubles, and a huckster from Gazprom, selling a national treasure, receives a million, when all over the world on social networks people collect 300 thousand rubles for treatment of a child And the government shrugs its hands, saying there is no money with the salaries of regional deputies for 400 thousand When people are paid salaries so that he does not die of hunger, to exist. When the offspring and wives of those in power, knocking down pedestrians to death, are excused on the conditional. When the Russian Orthodox Church takes away from the academies, institutes, schools, polyclinics the buildings that they once owned, and then the buildings will be demolished for offices and paid clinics and crawls into the Moscow Region and schools, it cuts down lessons on astromy for its propaganda. When the social system, which was just one of the stimulating lines in supporting scientific and working personnel, was completely destroyed after the collapse of the USSR. When instead of vocational schools, schools, institutes churches and shopping centers are built ... pray and consume. When loans for the population and small and medium-sized businesses are predatory, and our government reports on economic growth with complete insolvency of citizens. When our media make their own "honest" reports and news from the people an idle herd saying that it’s good with us, but in the West it is bad and the State Department, Masons, Anglo-Saxons are to blame. When a drunken company pisses and shaves at the doorways, and our valiant police do not even come to call, then they bravely report on the plumber “agent” of the State Department detained at the rally and regularly consumes 11% of the total budget. When Mr. Medinsky hangs honorboards to executioners and traitors, while sponsoring false films and programs about our history. welders from Norway cook us submarines, since all vocational schools have been destroyed and there are no ship welders. Or the fact that in Russia almost completely destroyed agricultural vocational schools, where you will take technologists, machine operators, soil scientists? When in the country a mess in the government and the Duma sit completely incompetent people and by nature are pests and thieves. When Russia selling oil and gas abroad, for the most part, it remains poor, although the constitution says that the land and subsoil belong to the people. When will Wehrmacht veterans receive a pension from 2's to 8 thousand euros against our 20-30 thousand rubles? In general, I think that it’s disastrous on the part of our government to give cars and apartments to hockey players and football players, and to pay a penny to a veteran, who climbed out of the country with bullets and caterpillars. When all our patriotism is built on the conquests of another state (USSR) and, apart from the slogan Great Russia, Russia has not created anything that could be proud of either socially, economically, industrially, scientifically, etc. When the housing and communal services office or the Bank throws thousands of people to grandmas, and the government shrugs its hands. When an official writes out 10 million vacation pay, and a veteran or a large family can’t feed themselves. And our so-called elite (according to which the Chekist Nagan cries), except for rowing into his pocket and accepting anti-people’s laws, knows nothing more. At least I have something to compare, of course it was not ideal in the USSR, there were tyrants-tyrants, nomenclature thieves, some laws, but the construction of a society based on the social responsibility of the state, science democracy, and justice was chosen correctly. And everything that happens in the country, the authorities should be responsible for this. As for whom she issues licenses for activities, for her mistakes, for her well-being, for the SAFETY and education of her citizens, for what prices are in stores, what are the teachers' salaries, for what laws in our country and for how much they deflate and they sell oil and gas and how much it increases the welfare of citizens and so on! Otherwise, there is no sense in such a state ...

Quote: Asadullah

And the fact that since the 2000 year there has not been a single case of betrayal in intelligence, does this mean anything?

All the "traitors" applaud you after the 2000 of the year from Mikhailov to Poteev.

[Victor N]

But what about those who filed a lawsuit against Russia, against which the attack was carried out ?! Given how much time has passed, this is not an emotional urge of heartbroken relatives. What is this: Alpha attacked the good terrorists, which led to hostage casualties? Simplicity is worse than theft, and the ECHR took advantage of what could have been expected otherwise!

[Login_Off]

Quote: Spartanez300

It’s completely thugs scumbags to make such statements.

People have lost their children, and you have "spoiled" them.
For me, it’s as if there’s something, but at least you need to keep quiet, and not yell -

[MPK105]

Come on ... It’s not interesting anymore ...... Who would have thought ... Recognized ... Guilty ... Us ............
.. SENSATION, damn it ......

[Zubr]

I was also not surprised, I did not expect anything else from them ...

[Veteran]

It's not a sensation. The ECHR with enviable regularity makes decisions not in favor of Russia, thereby determining it guilty in any situation and before any plaintiff, and mercilessly tries to rob us with payments to the plaintiffs. But these payments, if they are made, lie with you and me, i.e. emptying our wallets as well.

[Victor N]

... empty purses ...... to the joy of terrorists!
It turns out that accomplices filed lawsuits.

[Alex 2016]

..... the plaintiffs in total were 409 people, among whom were former hostages of terrorists .... And who are the rest? Terrorists and their relatives?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Alexey 2016

And the rest, who? Terrorists and their relatives?

It’s just that VO presents Old in a light favorable to him. Probably everything around it.
And here are the other resources that they say.

The plaintiffs were 409 people, including former hostages and the victims and relatives of the former hostages, as well as those killed and wounded.
That's who the rest are.
And you couldn’t turn on the logic, unless a relative of the dead, together with the relatives of the terrorists, would file a lawsuit in court ??????

[Blue fox]

And another thing depresses me - the plaintiffs were a total of 409 people, including former terrorist hostages.. Here it is ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Blue Fox

Here it is ...

This suggests that people were not satisfied with the compensation, and although they are more, I AGREE. What is 100 thousand ??? That is. the state taxes are taken regularly, but how about 100 thousand escaping protection ??? No, really.

[NEXUS]

Russia has not taken sufficient measures to prevent the terrorist attack and minimize casualties among the hostages.

Alpha and Pennant worked as they should and few in the world can compare with them at all. As for the statements of these ... so, the United States has taken enough measures to finance and support such geeks who fight with children. And where is the European condemnation or dumb Europeans bark in that direction?

[cergey51046]

Decisions of the ECHR are an empty ring for Russia. If American, then it was necessary to wipe Bislan from the face of the Earth with the terrorists and everyone who comes across.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cergey51046

Decisions of the ECHR are an empty ring for Russia.

This is inflated to the point of pan-European hysteria ... mark my word.

[Warrior with machine gun]

let them hysteria even before suicide, there’s no difference for us anymore, and these Eurocats may even die from nervous exhaustion

[andrewTSO]

So scary :)

[uskrabut]

This ECHR and Jesus Christ would be crucified again if he were to live now.

[Odysseus]

Quote: uskrabut

This ECHR and Jesus Christ would be crucified again if he were to live now.

Not only would they be crucified, but they would also be blamed for terrorism, extremism and anti-Semitism.

[Observer2014]

ECHR actually ruled Russia guilty of Beslan 2004 tragedy of the year

And these are echoes of our policy. Our specialists have intercepted the negotiations of those times with Western curators. Yes. So why calve and not blame for supporting terrorism?

[Odysseus]

This raises only one question: what are we still doing in this “human rights court”?

[Observer2014]

Odysseus

This raises only one question: what are we still doing in this “human rights court”?

We do not trust our ships! So we are fighting there. There are as many judges as there are traffic cops in the country that we cannot force them to work honestly for 25 years.

[Observer2014]

By the way, a radical fashion proposal from the authorities personally from me (and do not think that "the smartest") For employees of law enforcement agencies for the whole time of work. Judges two hands Not removable to demobilization. At the state expense. We are ready to reconcile with your confidentiality. We will worry about you For your freedoms and your impeccable reputation. We will tear the soul for you!

[alexmach]

By the way, maybe this is right. Still, you need to have available and reserve funds to solve problematic issues. Of course, one should not be allowed to use them as a political argument.

[Observer2014]

alexmach

Of course, one should not be allowed to use them as a political argument.

A colleague you ate about this gadget? That power structures out of politics! They serve only the indigenous foundations of the state! And this electronic gadget will help them to be an impartial minister of the Fatherland, so to speak

[Lostcoast]

God forbid, of course, but the scenario of a suicide bombing of a hospital or school is quite possible at their place. Then the whole world will see how it is necessary to "professionally" take measures to save and prevent ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: LostCoast

God forbid, of course, but the scenario of a suicide bombing of a hospital or school is quite possible at their place. Then the whole world will see how it is necessary to "professionally" take measures to save and prevent ...

They will tearfully call our Alpha and Pennant, because they themselves are not able to ...

[Lostcoast]

I remember very well how the French recently stormed for two half days ...

[oborzevatel]

Quote: LostCoast

Then the whole world will see how to "professionally" take measures to save and prevent ...

Come on!
They will not ask us to help.
They will empathize and sympathize with the occupying building.
They will hold a demonstration in their support.
The Eiffel Tower and Brandenburg Gate will blossom in the colors of their flag.
Announce a fundraiser to support them.
They will ask if hostages are still needed.
A concert with the participation of world stars will be held next to the building so that the terrorists would not be bored ...
I can continue.

[Overlock]

Maybe you pulled women, men, and children suffocating from asphyxia from the buses? Maybe you carried out resuscitation measures for the victims, I don’t know which gas was used and which antidote to use? Maybe you rushed with gurneys along the basements of the hospital, transporting victims from intensive care and back several times a day due to progressive respiratory depression? Maybe you looked into the eyes of the relatives of the dead? That's when I appreciated the "professionalism" of the "rescuers."
As a result of the terrorist attack on Dubrovka, according to official figures, 130 people were killed, including 10 children. Of the dead hostages, 5 people were shot dead before the assault, the rest died after their release. In December 2002, the Russian Ministry of Health officially refused to provide data on the properties of the gas used during the operation. The Minister of Health of Russia explained that information disclosing the means and results of intelligence, counterintelligence and operative-search activities is a state secret, and the state bodies vested with the authority to disseminate information classified as state secrets are the Ministry of Defense, FSB, FSO, MVD, FPS, FAPSI, FSSP. On September 20, 2003, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with reporters that people died “not as a result of the gas,” which, he said, was harmless, but were victims of “a number of circumstances: dehydration, chronic diseases, the very fact that they had to stay in that building. ” And finally. In death certificates, it was forbidden to indicate the true cause of the death of people. There was something to hide. But the "heroes" received orders, seats in the State Duma. Not ashamed? No, they are not ashamed. And you? Yes, for me.

[Lostcoast]

I don’t. Would it be better if you would kill all the hostages? Or do you want shame and concessions to terrorists, like in Budenovsk? Give them buses, more money? Read how Israel is fighting. And I also saw the glassy look of a man. Do not need it here female emotions.

[Overlock]

and where does the terrorists? people died AFTER liberation! AFTER! Killed due to negligence. Due to = NOT RENDERING medical care. That's all. It suits you?

[Glory1974]

No, they are not ashamed. And you? Yes, for me.

you can’t argue here. I agree with you. It is necessary to separate those who acted successfully and who did not. And to show the public that the perpetrators are punished. And in this case, it turns out people did not achieve the truth in their country.

[andrewTSO]

By the way, read in tyrnets how in Japan power services treat hostages ...
Very instructive ... for you.
In short, to put it mildly - they are already considered dead, and operations are carried out WITHOUT accounting for possible harm to the health and life of those taken hostage. In short, becoming a hostage and trying to survive is a PERSONAL headache and a problem, the special services will NOT bother about this

[Overlock]

why then free? What is the reason, if everyone is already considered dead?

[andrewTSO]

"Rid"? Read only learn, eh? Who said release? It is only about destroying the invaders

[evgesha]

note to former compatriots - after the terrorist attack in Israel, immediately file a lawsuit with the ECHR due to the fact that "Israel has not taken sufficient measures to prevent the terrorist attack and minimize losses among the population", let them try not to make a decision on the payment of millions of compensation, but after such a decision netanyahnutny will personally beat the judges of the muzzle

[andrewTSO]

Yes, we buy some popcorn, watch the ECHR torture (there should be another word), swallow dust, sue Israel for money in similar cases :)

[alstr]

Better about the recent terrorist attacks in France, Sweden, Germany, and then about Israel may be smeared that they say not Europe.
Especially the terrorist attack in Nice - that there was definitely a complete irresponsibility of the police

[cergey51046]

The ECHR cannot influence Russia. His decisions are an empty ring. American Tomahawks 50% do not fall before flying, but I fly the Caliber in the window.

[Overlock]

beat yours so that others are afraid

[Holoy]

Well, right, the state is certainly to blame!

[K-50]

ECHR latest scum !!!
Blaming Russia for the guilt of this tragedy is not senility. This is dementia from birth, so to speak Nature recouped them !!!
Soon the "emigrants" will explain this ser to you in more detail !!!
Blaming the guilt of those who, not sparing their lives, fought against the terrorists, covered their children from the cannibalistic "barmalei" with their backs, the purest criticism!
When the Geyropa falls or breaks out in a civil war with tolerance, then they may feel their wrong. Not before their rivers of blood spill.

[Niccola Mack]

It's time to end this liberal booth - and get out of all conventions!
They only do that we are smeared with shit in these courts !!!

[Million]

A double feeling arises after such a trial. Both right and wrong at the same time.

[andrewTSO]

What are the rights? And maybe it’s also “there is data, but is it such a secret that we won’t say”?

[Million]

You learn at least sometimes to think with your head, then there will be less secrets

[bratchanin3]

How long will Russia play with the pederastic ECHR. They provoked distraught from grief, but greedy little people (no money will not raise their lost relatives to them), ready to punish Russia with filthy euro money. It is time to quit European pederastical institutions and lift the moratorium on the death penalty.

[Operator]

The mass death of hostages in Beslan was provoked by Beslan militias - members of hostage families by their own stupidity: they began to storm the school in the absence of special forces, which at that time was training at a similar facility.

Chechen terrorists in Beslan and the school were let in by their Ossetian accomplices - Muslims from the local police.

Now those guilty of the death of their relatives and friends also want to get money from the budget.

[Glory1974]

The mass death of hostages in Beslan was provoked by Beslan militias

And where was the operational headquarters? Why did the chief of the FSB chew the snot and not put up a cordon? Wasn’t it enough? Where are the militants who escaped from school? There are many questions. I don’t agree with the court’s decision, but we weren’t told the truth in our native country, the screwed-up bosses were not retired, not to mention the court.

[Operator]

What do you want from the chief of staff and cordon if several hundred insane Ossetian militias armed to the teeth with riflemen and RPGs rushed to them?

And yet - how long will the center be responsible for the stupidity of the local population?

Let the Ossetians themselves first deal with their fellow tribesmen - Muslims who comfortably escorted the terrorists right to school, and only then file lawsuits.

[Glory1974]

What do you want from the chief of staff and cordon,

The chief of the FSB for North Ossetia-Alania, who led the operational headquarters, did not take priority actions to block the area of ​​the special operation. If there were not enough people, it was necessary to ask for help. This all three days lasted, enough time.
Secondly, he did not fulfill his job responsibilities for disarming the IAF. Where did the militia come from, also armed to the teeth?

And yet - how long will the center be responsible for the stupidity of the local population?

So far, a single country with such laws will be so.
But if everyone runs into their apartments like the USSR, it will be different.

[Operator]

Why ask for help to cordon off when local militias have already played this role? Another thing is that their roof went, but only they are to blame.

And who said that the Ossetian militias in Beslan were an illegal armed group?

It is useful to first understand the Ossetians, and then the center will be tightened.

[Glory1974]

Was this role played by local militias?

they did not play any role. in fact, they tried to somehow organize them.

And who said that the Ossetian militias in Beslan were an illegal armed group?

in Dagestan and in 1999, we had an armed militia. Just show me at least one law on the basis of which they existed.

[Operator]

All that is not forbidden is allowed.

[evgesha]

Glory1974
judging by the text of your comment, are you a former head of the regional FSB? and many prevented terrorist attacks in your activity? name any three ...

[Glory1974]

many prevented terrorist attacks in your activity?

prevented there is no point in calling, you still do not know them. And participation in the suppression of terrorist actions under the vulture.

[evgesha]

those. Are you still the head of the FSB ???

[Eine andere meinung]

Is always!!! The parents are responsible for the child, and the head of state is responsible for everything that is happening in this state. Could not protect? Then repent and compensate for your dullness and sluggishness with money! This is the least you can do. And the officials directly or indirectly responsible - to plant in jail. Science will be different.

[evgesha]

Eine andere meinung
let's say you're right. and what to do with those who created, armed, taught terrorists? give candy and pat on the head? Well oooooochen your logic is strange, do not you think?

[Eine andere meinung]

No, they must be destroyed! Below I wrote about this, such freaks have no place on the planet !!!

[Operator]

Quote: Eine andere Meinung

The parents are responsible for the child, and the head of state is responsible for everything that is happening in this state

No need to juggle - violators of the law are responsible for breaking the law in the state.

Ossetian militias without orders ordered an assault on the school, as a result of which children were killed - for this the militias are supposed to receive a life sentence. But no one judged them, realizing that their children had died (in fact, the militias were pardoned). Nevertheless, the militias ran into court up to the ECHR for money.

You tell your chancellor your tales that she is personally responsible for the mass violence against Germans in Cologne and invite her to repent and pay the money to several hundred victims of violence, yeah.

[Eine andere meinung]

And what is the state responsible for? After all, we are talking about your citizens and the court decides whether the state has done it or not - we do not possess all the facts. I’m talking about what Russian television broadcast, this is not an operation. More precisely, the operation to destroy the hostages ... sad.

[Eine andere meinung]

As I wrote below, it is almost impossible to prevent, but subsequent actions by law enforcement agencies can and must be criticized

[Operator]

What kind of "subsequent actions" of the security forces in Beslan are you talking about: after the Ossetian militiamen started their minds and launched an assault, the next action of the special forces could be only one thing - to support them.

But I would like to know in more detail about the subsequent actions of the Cologne police after receiving several hundred official statements about violence against women - who of the police was responsible for the loss of control over the protection of public order, how many criminals were detained, what terms they received.

[Eine andere meinung]

Yes, there are problems, Wolfgang Albers - the head of the Cologne police is under serious public pressure, but so far, at his post. In any case, it will cost his party dearly, in this region in the next election, they do not forgive this here. 184 people were detained in hot pursuit, an investigation is underway. 34 people were illegally in Germany, did not receive recognition as refugees - sent back. This year, the new year passed without such excesses, reinforced police detachments at the stations checked the arrivals - more than 1000 suspicious were detained. In this regard, there were accusations of racism, because detainees are mostly black. And to clarify, these are not cases of rape, but sexual harassment - girls were surrounded, I’m sorry, they felt, and meanwhile they stole the phone, money, etc. .. Several rape was also, in general, a very unpleasant story, but it has positive consequences . Those who are not recognized as refugees are expelled much faster, 2. camps for unrecognized people awaiting departure, 3. about 3000 jobs for police officers.

[Operator]

More than a year has passed - the head of the city police at the post, not a single suspect was brought to trial, yeah.

So I'm talking about specific criminal offenses of more than 500 - sexual harassment.

[3vs]

"... and when will the ECHR deal not only with claims against the Russian Federation, but also with the real fight against terrorism? For example, when will international courts decide to block the accounts of companies that are somehow involved in financing terrorist activities?"

As children, never will the ECHR engage in real counteraction against terrorism, not for that it was created!
Gentlemen in expensive suits do not need this ...

[Normal ok]

Russia has not taken sufficient measures to prevent the terrorist attack and minimize casualties among the hostages.

It is what it is. Like everyone followed the events then. Much has been done stupidly.

[BAI]

Well, what's the problem? The state is obliged to protect its citizens (especially children). If there was a terrorist attack (especially with the victims) - then the state is BAD performing its duties (the heroism of some, as a rule, is a consequence of the stupidity of others). If compensation for the injured (and the families of the dead and wounded commandos) would not be paid from the budget, but from the salaries of officials who, as always, first created a dangerous situation, and then slapped everyone, it would be even more correct. And since those guilty of poor performance by the state of their functions did not suffer any punishment (most likely they received orders), then such events will continue to happen. The reaction of the state apparatus to the events in St. Petersburg is a clear confirmation of this.

[Tolstoevsky]

I recognized you Makarevich

[andrewTSO]

Yes, there are several orders for each, and the Hero of Russia

[alstr]

By your logic, should the state be responsible for any domestic murder?
Of course not.
Further, no state can give a 100% guarantee against a terrorist attack, because There are many vulnerabilities and you will not put protection for everyone. But even in this case there is no guarantee that a terrorist attack cannot be carried out. Which, in principle, has been shown by the recent terrorist attacks.

Even if attempts were made on the first persons of the state, who are constantly guarded and not by small forces (and even in several layers), then talking about a simple layman is simply ridiculous.
Therefore, the decision of the ECHR is a political decision and nothing more.

[Tolstoevsky]

ah, ah, oh what a surprise, who would have thought ...

[Black]

Maybe the guys "Pennant" already then ... at the same time ... to recover the injured ?? Well, like, they tried poorly ...
Something terrible ....

[PValery53]

At the ECHR, the same Anglo-Saxons rule the ball ?! “No other decision was to be expected.” You just need to take these Saxons to the “zugunder”, they “don’t understand” the normal attitude from the Slavs! As they write: “they encouraged” to shed the blood of Russians. ”- So this measure is applied to them by Him.

[behemot]

The ECtHR goes nuts. Lesha Navalny promised “on children” that he would file lawsuits against “illegally detained” youngsters.

[samarin1969]

The list of terrorists is known ... to find their relatives and make them pay the bill with all sorts of "costs." Every terrorist must understand that brings grief to his whole family ....
ps Let someone explain that Russia gained usefulness from membership in the ECHR? ...

[Fomichev]

They are crooks, in the literal and pivotal sense.

[Eine andere meinung]

There are no words to describe the tragedy of Beslan and, God forbid, once again experience this. And it doesn’t matter how far you were from her - everyone has a heart wound. There will never be rest for that creature whose hand has risen on the children!
For relatives and friends of the deceased, and these are mainly children, even the words of condolences seem blasphemous and out of place. You can agree or disagree with the decision of the court, but to blame these people who have lost EVERYTHING for not finding justice in their country, have appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, only a cruel and narrow-minded person can.
The state is not to blame for the fact that the terrorist act occurred, but is responsible for its actions to minimize damage. Everyone saw the storming of the school and many, I think, had questions - WHAT during the storming, when the highest-level specialists should be involved, we are talking about a huge number of children, do civilians running with a machine gun and shooting anywhere? If this is an operation planned and organized by the state, then I consider not 30000 € per child, but 3 million € too small a sum !!!! Many here zealously defend power. They do not need protection, but those very ordinary people who lose relatives and loved ones lose as a result of criminal negligence of officials. And the most annoying thing is that hundreds of kids and their future are buried, but ... no one can be called to account ...

[ARES623]

And you, comrade with the flag of Germany, I would advise you to silently drink beer with sausages, we will somehow figure out how to settle accounts with the relatives of the victims without you. You will open your mouth when you give us all our scumbags that you save there in the EU, and Germany will reimburse for everyone killed in World War II. You there on a loud voice still have not deserved the right. Apparently, you are asking for a new Stalingrad there.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Eine andere Meinung

Googling how much Germany paid repotrations, how many plants in eastern Germany were disassembled and exported to the USSR,

You better sit and consider how many of our factories Germany destroyed. In Belarus alone, only how much was burned.

Quote: Eine andere Meinung

Everyone who was forced to work during the war received compensation.

My grandfather in captivity worked forcibly, received nothing.

Quote: Eine andere Meinung

Fact.

Quote: Eine andere Meinung

Germany found the strength to recognize

She was forced to admit.

[Eine andere meinung]

and Russia means-not forced?

[ARES623]

Quote: Eine andere Meinung

and Russia means-not forced?

Dear Eine ... how are you there! What the USSR received from Germany, including those small things that soldiers bought through the "military" during demobilization, is not worth 10% of the damage that Germany was obliged to repay. The USSR did not take all the indemnity from you, so that you simply stupidly survive, because you owed us more than the price of your entire territory, together with the inhabitants. By the way, your women, for the most part, surrendered to the winners for a loaf of bread in order to survive. They then, during an abortion, said that they were allegedly raped, but in fact they earned you food. With your assistance, Ukraine your followers bring the same state, you are our fair. Your mention of compensation for forced labor is the cynicism of pure water. Apparently the Nazi ideology is alive in your soul. Regarding making Russia, you get stuck with dust. And check, is it not too hard for you there? We have already put it on your decisions ....., and put it again, there is experience, legal grounds too. And your emoticon matches our facial expression when your reporters tell how German men are looking for a police phone number, when in front of their eyes migrants are raping their wives. So today, force someone ... it's not about you. First you figure out what you need pants or a bra?

[Eine andere meinung]

Very scary - running for a diaper

[ARES623]

Quote: Eine andere Meinung

Very scary - running for a diaper

Vaseline do not forget !!!

[razved]

After that, it is simply necessary to officially declare that the decisions of the ECHR have no legal force for Russia.

[Roma 1977]

Before, not after.

[seregatara1969]

the one who attacked is not to blame! but the Russians are guilty!

[ARES623]

Well, of course, and who else could be found guilty? After all, all the bandits that could escape to the west, they provided political asylum. This ECHR should have been sent to his mother for a long time on a light boat, as citizen Montian says. And it’s not at all clear what we are still doing in the Council of Europe. It is necessary to communicate with national states, if there is nothing to do. The most productive communication with the United States, and the EU, one hell, will ride to the tune of Trump (today).

[Vladimir Mamkin]

Well, judging by this, the United States owes a lot of money to the whole world, why doesn’t it pay? It is necessary for each affected country to bring the United States and coalitions into action.

[ghby]

Quote: siberalt

Courts of all levels refused to accept claims without any justification.

you do not write nonsense. Claims cannot be filed at all levels, only at the first instance. Therefore, I conclude that you are far from the topic of filing claims, respectively, everything you have written is nothing more than your fiction. By the way, in our region the so-called "Chechen" payments were perfectly exacted through the court.

[Roma 1977]

What fright is it all about monetary compensation for the attack? What kind of prices are these? Weren't the wounded cured, the dead buried, and the school repaired? In my opinion, someone just needs a new car or apartment and he is desperately looking for a source of funding ...

[Dark_Filin]

It is high time to refuse recognition of decisions of international courts. For objectivity there does not smell.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dark_Filin

For objectivity there does not smell.

even if it smells, supremacy should be the legislation and courts of RUSSIA

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

at first, these creatures harbored moshad-ugugovy, and now they accused us