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Syria as the second Afghanistan for Russia: is it so?

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President Barack Obama, who did not want to drag his home country into the Syrian war, warned Russia at the time: a protracted conflict in the Middle East could be the second Afghanistan for Moscow. Russia will get bogged down in this war. To lead a long war Russian simply can not afford. In addition, due to actions in Syria, the risk of a terrorist threat to the Russian Federation increases. Some experts believe that Obama's predictions are moving into the category of prophecies.




In the headquarters of the operation "Enduring determination" officially told the Russian newspaper "News" about their readiness for security measures to protect the American military in Syria.

An American commentary on a statement by the Russian defense department notes that coalition forces, when planning Syrian operations, do not focus on the possibility of opposition from the Russian Federation and, at the same time, are ready for force protection of their personnel. Moscow's withdrawal from the agreement on the prevention of air incidents will not interfere with actions aviation coalitions. Blows will be carried out throughout Syria, in all places where the allied forces will require air support.

The response to the “Izvestia” request states the following:

The coalition continues to provide air support to partner forces in Iraq and Syria. The level and number of attacks depend on the operational needs and the availability of targets.


Under the "power protection", explains the publication, in the US Army usually understand the complex of force decisions aimed at protecting troops from the actions of the enemy. This may include preemptive strikes against threatened objects, raids and fear actions.

As for any reaction of Russia, foreign experts do not think that Moscow will take any kind of "military measures", and therefore the Americans may hit the Assad bases again.

The American expert on the Middle East, retired Major General Paul Vallely, who advised the command of special operations and other structures of the Pentagon, told Izvestia:

I do not think that Russia will take any military measures. I do not rule out new strikes on the Assad air force using the above bases.


As the doctor of political sciences Alexander Ivanovich Shumilin believes, Syria is becoming a burden for Russia.

“What is common between the US missile attack on Shairat airbase and an explosion in the St. Petersburg metro? - such a question is asked by the scientist on the pages "Independent newspaper". And he answers: “The answer, most likely, is this: Russia's intervention in the Syrian conflict, under whatever pretext it happens, is becoming more and more dangerous and burdensome for Russia itself.”

“Of course,” he continues, “here and now it is appropriate to recall the prophecies of Barack Obama (and not only him) that Russia's intervention in Syria on the side of Bashar al-Assad will surely turn into an increase in the terrorist threat to the Russians. In Moscow, these words were made to laugh. But it was no time for jokes after the explosion of a civilian liner over Sinai in October 2015. At that time, the rulers of the Islamic State (IG), banned in Russia, were openly proud of this atrocity. ”

Further, the expert recalls the recent terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg metro, where, probably, a trace of Islamists linked to the Central Asian and North Caucasian underground is visible. True, none of the likely relevant groups have yet taken responsibility. However, the "IG" does not put a signature under the committed atrocity. “This may mean an increase in intraspecific rivalry: the IG brand seems to have passed the peak of its popularity and is already losing its appeal as the Caliphate loses the territories it controlled. Instead, regional groups can increase influence, weight and independence, ”the expert concludes. In his opinion, the main breeding ground for the cultivation of radical Islamist sentiments is happening in Syria.

Russia is disappointed with the formal, “protocol expression of condolence” that comes from the West. And then there is the US missile strikes on Syria: they say, "Russia, please step aside, free up a platform for strikes." And this is after the gigantic investments of the Russian Federation in supporting the “legitimate president” of Syria, reminds Shumilin. Frustration can be attributed to the “world Russophobia”, as the organizers of political shows on federal TV channels “are trying to do,” but this trait is “false,” the expert believes. With blows at the Syrian air base, Trump was solving his tasks, but he also extended his hand to Moscow “in the fight against terrorism in general,” he believes. Like the Obama administration, the Trump team believes that the tasks of fighting terrorism in Syria are not very compatible with the support of the Assad regime.

Meanwhile, Ankara also expressed discontent towards Moscow.

Last Sunday, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt авavuşoлуlu said that Russia and the United States are “competing” in Syria in support of the Kurdish National Self-Defense Detachment (YPG). He writes about it Mixednews.ru with reference to the site kurdistan24.net.

The statements of авavuşo отмечlu, it is noted in the publication, sound like a reproach both to Russia and the USA. Ankara is unhappy with the cooperation of these countries with the Kurdish organization, which is recognized as terrorist in Turkey. “Rivalry for a terrorist organization is unacceptable. This is unprofessional, ”Cavusoglu said.

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At the recent G-7 Ministerial Summit in Lucca (Italy), US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson made clear to the audience: Assad figures in the future of Syria are not visible. Russia will have to either take the side of the United States, or be on a par with the said Assad, Iran and Hezbollah. In essence, the state secretary outlined a "rogue" circle.

Later, Tillerson’s visit to Moscow, which in the USA was called an “ice meeting,” confirmed the Kremlin’s fears: the Trump administration took an unbending stance on the Syrian president. Tillerson does not allow the preservation of Assad in power. In the government of Syria, the role of Assad is "not envisaged," he said.

If Mr. Obama has diligently avoided the confrontation of the United States and the Russian Federation in Syria, then the Trump team goes the opposite way. To understand this is not surprising: Mr. Trump decided to revive the former power of his native America through the military-industrial complex. And there, where the military industrial complex swells like a yeast, new enemies and new wars are immediately required. Somewhere fit and hot war, but somewhere - cold. Ronald Reagan would be pleased with his correspondence student.

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  1. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah April 14 2017 06: 05
    +7
    I don’t know how we are, but they are definitely stuck in Afghanistan.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 14 2017 06: 51
      +7
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      I don’t know how we are, but they are definitely stuck in Afghanistan.

      Syria under Obama Russia was tough, under Trump-hard.
      1. Orel
        Orel April 14 2017 07: 20
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        Syria under Obama Russia was tough, under Trump-hard.


        I would argue here. She was too tough under Obama, but the difference is that Obama is more pragmatic and used to think a few steps ahead, which is difficult for Trump to notice. Trump sometimes makes tactical moves, even brilliant ones, but no long-term strategy can be seen behind these steps. Obama was a typical functor, constant and long deliberation, which to many seems slow and ineffective, but he was such a person. And from a long-term perspective, Obama was certainly right in relation to the United States that they should not get very involved in the Syrian war, and against Russia that it would get bogged down. It's unavoidable. We will be forced to make more and more efforts, because the forces that are involved there are clearly not enough. They need to be increased. Consequently, costs will increase, engagement will increase, and losses will increase.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus April 14 2017 07: 46
          +1
          increase-output.
          I already wrote-- the loot steers ,,,, .......... "Gref, Kostin and co" downloaded the loot from the outskirts, in Syria there is no their interests. Who pays for the "entry" into Syria? he calculated the consequences of long cap investments? exchange as many said.
          1. Orel
            Orel April 14 2017 07: 53
            +13
            Quote: antivirus
            exchange as many said.


            I'm afraid that is unlikely. We have nothing to offer the West. We have nothing. I still can’t understand what is the benefit for us from participating in this booth called “the Syrian campaign”. For Putin’s vanity, there was or was a benefit, before Trump’s blow, but it was, but for Russia and its citizens I do not see any benefit. It was possible to advertise weapons without the support of a dictator, no one bothered to shoot. The base in Tartus is not needed. Previously, they did without it, and modern ships for 1000 miles leave their native coasts and they do not need bases in Tartus for this. ISIS would have been killed without us. You might think that Israel, Turkey, the Kurds and Iraq would allow ISIS to creep out. This is extremely naive. They would have ended up without us as a result, only we would have saved money and people's lives. Prior to our intervention, no ISIS was recalled in Russia, but how the terrorist attacks climbed. If you climb, then please protect your citizens from the consequences, and it so happened that people with their lives pay for the ambitions of one person.
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag April 14 2017 08: 47
              +3
              Quote: Orel
              I still can’t understand what is the benefit for us from participating in this booth called “the Syrian campaign”.

              Maintaining access to the Mediterranean Sea, this is a point of entry into the European hydrocarbon market and Iran needs and Qatar needs pipes to Europe, it threatens to lose part of the market for Gazprom, lower profits and other nishtyaks, there are no other interests in Syria, all these words about " distant approaches "for the electorate, they are fighting terrorism there, and terrorist attacks in Russia are taking place ...
              1. Walanin
                Walanin April 16 2017 13: 23
                0
                Quote: sa-ag
                Preservation of access to the Mediterranean Sea

                Turkey manages the exit. But what does Syria have to do with it?
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 April 14 2017 08: 51
              +14
              Bases in Syria will be unclaimed and will become "non-grata" an hour after the overthrow of Assad. And Assad will be overthrown or removed, this is definitely. And most likely their own. The Syrians are tired of the war and of this odious clan that plundered the country for 50 years and at the end
              finally destroyed the country.
              1. Petrol cutter
                Petrol cutter April 14 2017 09: 20
                +2
                But I would probably agree with that.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 14 2017 10: 42
                +3
                Quote: xetai9977
                Bases in Syria will be unclaimed and will become "non-grata" an hour after the overthrow of Assad.

                This is yes.
                Quote: xetai9977
                And Assad will be overthrown or removed, this is definitely. And most likely their own. The Syrians are tired of the war and of this odious clan that robbed the country for 50 years and at the end of the Onts destroyed the country.

                Is the USA and the company their own? Those who were at war with it destroyed the country: before the war (and this, too, Assad), nothing was destroyed. How many BILLIONS were pumped into them by the USA, the SA and Qatar? If these billions were not there, it would have been quiet and calm for a long time. Under Assad.
                1. Walanin
                  Walanin April 16 2017 13: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  : before the war (and this is also Assad), nothing was destroyed.

                  Wars just do not start. Never in any country in the world have revolutions just happened like that.
              3. Dmitry 2246
                Dmitry 2246 April 14 2017 10: 58
                +3
                Cool. In your opinion, is it time to change the power in Azerbaijan?
                Heydar Aliyev - 1st Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Azerbaijan SSR (1969-1982)
                How many years is left before 50?
                Oh, I forgot: there was a small breaker.
                Be careful with the numbers.
                Those who allow will rule, such as Erdogan, but without the largest NATO army.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym April 14 2017 17: 42
                  +3
                  To get stuck, as in Afghanistan, you need to introduce a significant group of troops, but it is not. So Obama’s predictions are untenable.
                  After meeting with Rex, the GDP held a meeting of the Security Council, talked on the phone with Erdogan. And today is the meeting of the Foreign Ministries of three countries: Iran, Syria and the Russian Federation.
                  The United States, too, has not had much success at the front, and for a long time already (I mean from the time of Korea). It was reported that the GDP passed on to Rex its analysis of recent events, "presumably it will be conveyed to Trump."
                  Presumably, Rex agreed on something - the NATO team began to fly again.
                  Based on everything, I think that Moscow will make an agreement. Moreover, that same Afghanistan became a trap for the USA. And it can become hell if the neighbors start supplying weapons to illegal armed groups. hi
                  1. KCA
                    KCA April 16 2017 09: 35
                    +1
                    So far, everything that the Russian Federation is doing in Syria does not exceed the scale of large-scale exercises, close to military ones. Losses? They would have been inevitable without Syria, even somewhere near Astrakhan, with so many people and equipment involved, the reasons are complete - the human factor, the failure of equipment, the abnormal operation of ammunition, and no one canceled the disease
            3. Tanarri
              Tanarri April 14 2017 09: 24
              +4
              The gas pipeline project to Europe from the Persian Gulf seems to be the number one reason.

              Regarding terrorism as a consequence. The Saudis sponsored radical preachers in Chechnya and are now helping radicals in Syria. It is better to fight them on foreign territory, and the terrorist attack in St. Petersburg confirms that they are beginning to lose faith in the victory of terrorists in Syria.
            4. antivirus
              antivirus April 14 2017 09: 52
              0
              that's why they can exchange
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              1. Aleksandr12
                Aleksandr12 April 14 2017 12: 27
                +2
                Mr. Troll, re-read your message again, please, and correct it. Its meaning is not visible.
              2. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ April 14 2017 12: 53
                +1
                E-mine, did you read this scribble yourself? Try, something I did not succeed.
              3. vovanpain
                vovanpain April 14 2017 12: 57
                +8
                Quote: Natalia Shpitsak
                It is nothing but n

                This is nothing more than another "daughter, another officer", moreover, having violated a bunch of site rules, having beaten and obscured everything and everything, it’s also illiterate laughing what Well, the "daughter" fellow
        2. Megamarcel
          Megamarcel April 14 2017 11: 28
          +5
          Actually, someone from the Rothschilds about our king the sun said that tactics are tolerable, but no strategist.
          So as they say their black guy is not alone ...
      2. Maskom
        Maskom April 14 2017 14: 50
        0



        you definitely said that. Obama was completely impotent and insignificance, inferior to enemies (agreement with Iran is a prime example) and betraying friends
        1. Megamarcel
          Megamarcel April 14 2017 17: 17
          +1
          Impotent and insignificance at the head of the first world economy, albeit nominally? Oh well. Again, throw all the hats?
        2. Walanin
          Walanin April 16 2017 13: 25
          0
          With impotent and insignificant, the US economy grew faster than before. Especially when compared with our macho.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 14 2017 14: 05
      +1
      The question is not even, but whether the Americans will allow us to leave our military bases in Syria?
      1. Maskom
        Maskom April 14 2017 14: 52
        0
        base in Syria + Ukraine in exchange for Iran and North Korea: here is a reasonable and logical formula of agreement
      2. nikon7717
        nikon7717 April 14 2017 15: 10
        +2
        I remind you.
        Russia and Syria signed an agreement to expand the Russian base in Tartus. More details at TASS: http://tass.ru/politika/3958420
        The agreement is designed for 49 years and is automatically renewed for another 25 if neither party notifies the other in writing of the desire to terminate it in writing
        In addition, all documents in force in the Russian Federation, including passports and driver's licenses, will be recognized as valid in the territory of Syrian Tartus.
        It is noted that the point in Tartus is transferred to the Russian Federation for free use and on the condition of immunity from the jurisdiction of Syria.
        "The use of shared facilities by the Russian side is free of charge."

        Tartus, Syria
        © REUTERS / SANA

        MOSCOW, 20 January. / TASS /. Russia and Syria signed an agreement to expand the territory of the material and technical support point (MTO) of the Russian Navy in Tartus for 49 years. The relevant document is published on the official portal of legal information.

        See also
        VKS planes at Hmeimim airbase
        The agreement on the deployment of aircraft of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Syria is valid for 49 years

        "This agreement is valid for 49 years and is automatically renewed for subsequent 25-summer periods if neither party notifies the other party in writing through diplomatic channels of at least one year before the expiration of the next period of its intention to terminate it" , - the document says.

        Russia at the logistics point in Tartus can simultaneously deploy up to 11 warships.
        "The maximum number of warships of the Russian Federation that are allowed to be simultaneously in the logistics point is 11 units, including warships with a nuclear power plant,

        And now .
        What is a full-fledged base for the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean? When was she at the RF? What is a missile strike from a nuclear ship in Tartus? What is a county defeat?
        A similar agreement was concluded at the Khmeimim airbase.
        What is the deadline for approaching the Bosphorus, the Dardanelles on overseas? What is the strategic profit of the Russian Federation as a result?
        Who are the cons?
      3. wvg
        wvg April 14 2017 15: 12
        +2
        American time to allow or not to allow ends if it is not over!
        Syria is the front line of defense and this line cannot be lost, because the "partners" are cunning and will have to be stopped again near Moscow.
      4. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 April 15 2017 05: 34
        0
        Question of a man who is fully caved in. Without a doubt, regrets and other things.
    3. Awaz
      Awaz April 15 2017 09: 02
      0
      if at one time the United States and its satellites did not interfere in the affairs of the USSR in Afghanistan, peace and order would have long been established there. It may not be prosperity, but the world is poor and poor. The United States can’t do anything in Afghanistan even when no one from outside helps the bandits, just as the United States used to contain barmales. But even in Syria, the Russian Federation may become stuck if the United States and in particular Israel, not to mention other sponsors, do not continue to help terrorism.
      1. Walanin
        Walanin April 16 2017 13: 26
        0
        And let's try to remember what the USSR forgot in Afghanistan.
      2. Krabik
        Krabik April 21 2017 16: 10
        0
        Awaz

        In Afghanistan, the United States grows heroin and sells it in the EU and Russia.
        The profit is sufficient to keep the military there on self-sufficiency.

        In Syria, the Russian Federation is already bogged down, I think that the Russian Federation needs to expand its presence in Syria to the scale of the African continent.
        Naturally for expansion there must be profit and allies!

        We already get profit from Turkey and Israel, and the allies in the person of Palestine and Iran support us with living force, their benefit is in abundance.

        The main thing in this matter is the narrow neck to Syria through the strait and the muddy path through Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iraq by land.
  2. datur
    datur April 14 2017 06: 24
    0
    I agree! SYRIA wink
  3. populist
    populist April 14 2017 06: 26
    +4
    Syria as the second Afghanistan for Russia: is it so?

    This is so, and not quite so. Syria for us continues to be the second Afghanistan, and is already getting worse than the second Afghanistan. The double process ... hi
    1. Aleksandr12
      Aleksandr12 April 14 2017 12: 22
      +1
      The worse I would like to know?
      1. populist
        populist April 15 2017 15: 36
        +1
        In Afghanistan, the United States did not bomb us or our allies.
        1. Aleksandr12
          Aleksandr12 April 17 2017 11: 09
          0
          The Americans are not bombing us now. And their advisers and special forces, as he was present now, were openly behind the scenes now (in principle, there is no difference).
    2. wvg
      wvg April 14 2017 15: 13
      +1
      you are probably right: for you it is getting worse and worse. Soon, Israeli planes will begin to shoot down ...
      My condolences to you.
      1. Walanin
        Walanin April 16 2017 13: 27
        0
        Who will start shooting down?
  4. datur
    datur April 14 2017 06: 40
    0
    our commandos in siriiubi
  5. jovanni
    jovanni April 14 2017 08: 12
    +2
    Our usual mistake is all the eggs in one basket. And if the basket is rotten, our eggs beat. And now everything is set on Assad, we’re swelling huge grandmothers, we endure hard arrivals, but God forbid, he will get under the tram tomorrow, and why? We are in the face of the world poking that "a legitimate government has called us"! Where will it be with the moved Assad tram, this government? Oh too ...
    1. Aleksandr12
      Aleksandr12 April 14 2017 12: 54
      +2
      There is no mistake. Do not bet on us do not understand what kind of opposition. And under the tram he will not get do not worry.
    2. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ April 14 2017 12: 56
      0
      And how do you propose resisting the gas pipeline from the Persian Gulf to Europe?
    3. wvg
      wvg April 14 2017 15: 16
      0
      how caring you are for your eggs! It’s better to worry about them when ISIS knocks on your house and don’t hope that they have the leader of an Israeli agent ...
  6. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 14 2017 08: 15
    +4
    it depends on which side to look. Our goal in Syria is to maintain a strong point in the Mediterranean Sea. And that’s all. We are not fighting terrorism there. For there are many of them everywhere ... there ... in Central Asia it is full, but we are not there. There will be no stronghold ... there will be no Mediterranean squadron ... which means we will be locked in the Black Sea. This is not good ... and so they are getting closer to the borders. And these boundaries need to be pushed back ... this is a matter of life and death ... for then the Americans will definitely achieve isolation. So Syria is not a burden to us.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag April 14 2017 08: 49
      +1
      Quote: Alexander S.
      There will be no stronghold ... there will be no Mediterranean squadron ..

      If I’m not mistaken, then back in Soviet times the Mediterranean squadron received supplies in Alexandria, Egypt, where it was more convenient
      1. creak
        creak April 14 2017 10: 22
        +3
        Quote: sa-ag
        If I’m not mistaken, then back in Soviet times the Mediterranean squadron received supplies in Alexandria, Egypt, where it was more convenient

        You are not mistaken, besides there was Port Said and something else in Egypt .... Only all this splendor ended after Sadat came to power, despite the fact that the USSR invested unthinkable money for Egypt at that time and covered Egypt in every possible way, starting since 1956
        So in Syria, not the most pleasant options are possible for us; let's not forget that there is a civil war and we are not the only players in this field ... And we can recall to incorrigible optimists that in our time, both Algeria and the People’s Democratic People’s Republic and Ethiopia and Somalia, etc. etc.
        And where are they now - as they say, "love passed, tomatoes wilted" ....
        1. Aleksandr12
          Aleksandr12 April 14 2017 12: 30
          0
          Well, love may not have passed. USSR was gone and there was no one to love smile Yes, and somehow I don’t really love for free smile
          1. creak
            creak April 14 2017 12: 52
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr12
            Well, love may not have passed. USSR was gone and there was no one to love

            I allow myself to disagree - because, for example, we were asked from Egypt when the USSR was still alive and well .... And what kind of love was and how it left, I know from my own experience, I had a chance to see something in my time in this region, if it’s all about money, it’s not so simple ...
            This audience, like no one else, is very well characterized by the aphorism "No good deed will go unpunished."
            And we’ve been nursing Syrians for so many years, and it’s still not known who in the end this big-age “baby” will become .... what
            1. Aleksandr12
              Aleksandr12 April 14 2017 13: 02
              0
              Well, depending on who is ultimately in power. If Assad’s opponents, then all efforts and sacrifices are down the road, if Assad himself or his supporters, then “happiness and prosperity” and the Syrian grateful people will admit to us friendship forever from all the TVs of their small country. smile
              1. Grigory_78
                Grigory_78 April 15 2017 05: 40
                0
                Assad is unlikely to stay. The reason - "the settlements that joined the truce" - many people don’t tolerate Assad for a bunch of reasons. And this is a significant part of the population of Syria. As far as I understand, they want him to answer not only for his sins, but also for the sins of his father. But I think his supporters may well remain in power.
        2. wvg
          wvg April 14 2017 15: 22
          +3
          the list of allies could be continued! That's only thanks to the EBN and Kozyre6u and Chernomyrdin, who fulfilled all the requirements of the Washington Regional Committee, all that was possible and all that was not possible.
          Assad’s emergency departure can still be experienced, but Putin’s departure and the liberal’s arrival after him will already be an Armageddian! The Americans will not miss such a chance and the Chechen war will seem like a prank, however ...
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn April 14 2017 10: 34
        +1
        so there the base was conditional - one berth, for small ships! There was no connection with the Mediterranean squadron
        1. Grigory_78
          Grigory_78 April 15 2017 05: 43
          0
          There was a "supply point." You could go in, refuel with water and fuel, replenish the supply of products, make minor repairs - and that’s all. And now they plan to deploy a full-fledged base.
    2. Megamarcel
      Megamarcel April 14 2017 08: 59
      +5
      Yes, we are already locked in the Black Sea. Ever since Turkey and other Black Sea countries in NATO. What is the use of this base in Tartus? A plus. How many new ships in the Black Sea Fleet? I won’t even remember. Minuscule. All the rest either came up or fit the deadlines. They need to be written off already, because overhaul is too expensive and because other types of medium and current repairs were not carried out or were carried out somehow. First you need to at least start mass-building ships of the ocean class, and then show off with the bases. That mascot fleet in the effectiveness of which patriots are trying to convince everyone is just laughter. And yes. About the fact that the enemy is getting closer. Yes, the Americans, with the permission of our rulers, calmly used our air base. And maybe they continue to use it. Plus Ukraine. Yes, if the United States asks for a small fee, they will allow them to concentrate the army for the strike. So ay! What Tartus, what Syria. And why did Stalin quickly abandon the world revolution at one time. Yes, because unlike our current businessmen, he understood from the army that there were no forces to cover his territory. But the current figures are ready for the sake of the budget and the moon and the Arctic. Uhh
      1. wvg
        wvg April 14 2017 15: 23
        0
        Katz offers to surrender?
        Taki oh!
    3. ando_bor
      ando_bor April 16 2017 01: 12
      0
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Our goal in Syria is to maintain a stronghold in the Mediterranean

      Our goal in Syria is to break America’s global dominance system, based on the fact that everyone who didn’t lie under them will be destroyed, all the rest - pipelines, bases - a second time.
      And Russia will achieve this goal at any cost, because America does not want and will not pay any price, and Russia has no choice.
    4. Walanin
      Walanin April 16 2017 13: 28
      0
      Why does Russia need the Mediterranean Sea? That’s really what’s the point?
  7. captain
    captain April 14 2017 08: 34
    +4
    The more we invest in Syria, the more we are drawn into this war. We don't need her. Our authority in the Arab world, because of the war, will not grow. Our Muslims are mostly Sunnis, and we are fighting in Syria with the Sunnis. In allies, we have Shiite Iran. Our guys in the Foreign Ministry apparently have a vacation, otherwise how to understand our desire to have good relations with the Arabs and fight against them.
    1. old rats
      old rats April 14 2017 08: 47
      0
      Yeah, and not Arabs for Assad, are they fighting a stoll?
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 14 2017 08: 50
    0
    The statements of Cavusoglu, noted in the publication, sound reproach to both Russia and the United States.


    ... today Erdogash called the GDP. Together, they condemned the affairs and mericatosians in Syria ...
  9. Altona
    Altona April 14 2017 09: 36
    +7
    Quote: Orel
    I'm afraid that is unlikely. We have nothing to offer the West. We have nothing. I still can’t understand what is the benefit for us from participating in this booth called “the Syrian campaign”.

    -------------------------------------
    How a showcase of Russian weapons works perfectly. Concluded contracts for the supply of arms to other countries for $ 50 billion. We spend about 4 billion there a year. In total, 46 billion of the net annual “burden”. What is it about?
    PS Do not procrastinate this rotten thesis "Syria-second Afghanistan." There is no comparison even close. We protect the key point for ourselves in every sense, and as a transport, military, cultural and other types of nodes. Then we will receive contracts for economic recovery.
    PPS And let’s generally shrink to the size of 4-5 areas. What for us back and forth? the costs are the same. We move to Solovki in general, give everything.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 14 2017 10: 38
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      How a showcase of Russian weapons works perfectly.

      Well, now I’ll ask you this question - what contract have you recently tied to Syria ?! What damn 50 billion - at least one call ?! No one has answered yet ...
      Quote: Altona
      PS Do not procrastinate this rotten thesis "Syria-second Afghanistan." There is no comparison even close. We protect the key point for ourselves in every sense, and as a transport, military, cultural and other types of nodes. Then we will receive contracts for economic recovery.
      Cultural?! have we been friends of the Alawites historically? Transport - and what are we transporting there - oil-gas, or grain ?! And what was the key to this Syria? Where is Russia and where is Syria
      1. wvg
        wvg April 14 2017 15: 28
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        And what did the USA lose in Syria? Bring Syria from America even further!
        Please do not offer democracy!
        They have already planted democracy in Libya, in Iraq and Afghanistan they continue to plant.
        And why is Russia such a democratic environment?
        So the tanks brought the tribaltics so that democracy does not fade. It’s somehow impossible without tanks.
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 14 2017 10: 40
      +5
      You say so, as if we hadn’t sold weapons to Syria.
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  10. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 14 2017 10: 30
    +2
    I read the comments -! Syria, we do not need a second Afghan! Learn to think globally, Syria has always been our ally in the BV ..... hordes of radicals can rush into the Russian Federation and cannot be held so easily by borders, there are any economic interests, but I think this is not the main thing, the eternal confrontation with the West .... According to the statements of many, there is nothing for Russia to do there, and then a question, and for the West what to do there?
    1. captain
      captain April 15 2017 12: 22
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      Quote from Alexey-74: ".... Syria has always been our ally in the BV ..."
      Yes, we and Iraq were our ally and Egypt, as soon as they were offered, the Yankees guys had more money than we, then they immediately became partners with us. The Bulgarians are generally our brotherly people, and for some reason they are in NATO, and we shed a lot of Russian blood for them. And how many of ours were killed for Montenegro ..... and those in NATO. British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston: "We have neither friends nor enemies, but there are permanent interests." Very well said. And the adage of our Tsar Alexander III: "In the whole world we have only 2 faithful ally - our army and navy. All the others, at the first opportunity, will take up arms against us." It is very true today, or rather, especially today.
  11. Felix
    Felix April 14 2017 10: 59
    +1
    Civil wars are the most brutal wars, and in Syria, whatever the Russian media sang there, it was the civil war. Speaking on the side of the ruling clan, the Alawites less than 10% of Syrians seriously someone thought that there would be a fun walk? And the igil (with which the opposition also fights) is only one of the parties to the conflict.
    Did you want to raise Ymidge by speaking on a united front with the terrorists from hezbollah and the ksir?
    1. wvg
      wvg April 14 2017 15: 31
      +1
      civil war supported by the American coalition? Is that now called in Israel?
      That's when Israel is at war with Hezbola - this is a real civil war - from all sides of the Semites ...
  12. turbris
    turbris April 14 2017 11: 29
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    How did you get to this site, what kind of conversation style are we in the bazaar? It is disgusting to read your comments, they are for whom they are intended, for idiots? Here it is appropriate to ask, where are our editors?
  13. mihey
    mihey April 14 2017 11: 38
    +4
    Why compare fat to bald? In Afghanistan there were our troops (I’m not talking about officers), consisting of boys who went on an urgent basis: a month or three of mountain training and forward. In Syria, too, OUR boys, only they chose a profession like this, they have such a job. You can compare the political, economic and other reasons for the introduction of troops into Afghanistan, Syria or elsewhere, but not at the level of "stuck, not stuck." Let's say that they are “stuck” in India, where our NPP specialists are building and they are also getting money for it. There are also risks of a conflict between India and Pakistan. And in Bolivia, Venezuela (but who knows where at all), the internal situation is difficult. And in Turkey, our ambassadors are killed in broad daylight. Maybe we can take out from everywhere our specialists (military, builders, diplomats), and we will not forget about tourists. We’ll build a wall, close ourselves in a sink, put our head in the sand and live like on another planet. Awesome plan! A "wonderful" discussion article ...
    1. Megamarcel
      Megamarcel April 14 2017 13: 53
      +2
      Exactly. We give foreign countries loans and credits on favorable terms so that they pay with us for nuclear power plants and equipment, and for their people and business at predatory rates. And then we wonder why we can’t get off the oil and gas needle. The Turks shot down our plane, but we are not proud. They burnt and that's enough. Again, Turkish builders are building in Moscow with what using their materials and rigidly squeezing Russian builders and manufacturers from objects? Well, where is the national pride and national interests? Or who is the more to roll back one and the other?
  14. 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th April 14 2017 12: 30
    +1
    The Americans in Afghanistan are not stuck.
    What they need is what they got - finding their military bases there. I think the main thing is the possibility of control at the "intersections." Preferably at the "fences" of the probable enemy. And the fate of local Aborigines is of little interest to them. In Syria, we also, approximately the same, put a "bone in the throat" on someone else's "Wishlist" ....
  15. yehat
    yehat April 14 2017 13: 30
    +3
    for those who think that it would be better not to intervene in the Syrian events, I propose to think about what would happen if they did not intervene. I think that defense industry sales would be half to three times less, the equipment of the army would be seriously cut. Ukraine would have brazenly climbed the Donbass, etc.
    Even taking into account the incidental losses of the Russian Federation - 3 aircraft, personnel, etc. I think that the country will ultimately benefit. Question
    in another, how the elite will manage the results. If it drains into the toilet, then the intervention is a mistake, if there are concrete results, then the intervention is justified
  16. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 14 2017 13: 39
    +3
    analytites damn)))) I can’t even laugh anymore))) in Syria there are now 1200-1500 people. Afghan from 60000 to 100000 in different years. You have found what to compare with. already completely wedge brains?
  17. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 14 2017 13: 41
    +2
    despite the fact that all the funds for this go with the MO. can you compare thick with liquid already?
  18. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint April 14 2017 13: 50
    +5
    do we supply weapons to Syria? Yes. from storage. ammunition? Yes. junk all that then would have to be disposed of. do our pilots fly? Yes. what are they doing at home? drink tea? run in new weapons? Yes. and where is it best to do that? participate in hostilities? of course. but the forces of the MTR which need to do this. etc. etc. komenty of people who do not understand what the army is and why it is needed; it’s really better to mark toilet paper.
    1. mihey
      mihey April 14 2017 14: 06
      +2
      You know, and I would mark toilet paper I didn’t trust it: here 100 pounds of something necessary for marking will either be broken, lost, or else somehow loved.
  19. Altona
    Altona April 14 2017 14: 22
    +1
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Well, now I’ll ask you this question - what contract have you recently tied to Syria ?! What damn 50 billion - at least one call ?! No one has answered yet ...

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    Address this question to Putin and Rogozin, they voice these figures (even it seems to be about 65 billion), I am not a member of Rosoboronexport, they don’t trust me with such trade secrets. We sell planes and air defense systems, we sell tanks, missiles in export performance, it's not a secret like. Then, on whom are you going to demonstrate these weapons? Name one? If there is profit, then we will bomb according to the precepts of Grandfather McCain. Do you think he’s calling for a bomb in vain? For the sake of art? And it’s probably better for us to sell gas and oil, the prices of which, if we even leave Syria, will be made by Qatar and the Saudis. In general, explain to me, do we want the economy of a gas station or is it still something technological to sell something? And how will we sell it? Put a stall in the taiga near Omsk? Or effectively covered bearded under the video from a drone?

    As for the cultural and other center, then Jesus Christ was a Syrian, that's enough. The country was secular and multi-confessional. Militarily, we control the Mediterranean and all our Qatari, Saudi and Israeli friends. What else do you need? Oh yes, the Turks will close the Bosphorus and we all ... we should drink. So chtoli? And then we shout that we need bases. We opened two first-class bases, shout close, blowing in the back, sorry, sorry for the money. So what? What do we want in the ending ?.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 14 2017 15: 07
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      In general, explain to me, do we want the economy of a gas station or is it still something technological to sell something?

      To listen to you, so without Syria we did not sell any military products - I will tell you, they sold, and even very much, this is just the drop in demand now. But not a single contract related to the demonstration of our weapons in Syria - not one, but one! Neither Su-24, nor Su-34, nor Mi-28, nor Su-25 were sold after the start of the operation ...
      Quote: Altona
      As for the cultural and other center, then Jesus Christ was a Syrian, that's enough. The country was secular and multi-confessional.
      in fact, he was born in Nazareth and crucified in Jerusalem - this is Palestine, not Syria!
      Quote: Altona
      Militarily, we control the Mediterranean and all our Qatari, Saudi and Israeli friends.
      We do not control Nicago, in general, from the friends you named
      Quote: Altona
      And then we shout that we need bases. We opened two first-class bases, shout close, blowing in the back, sorry, sorry for the money.

      Why are they first-class ?! It was first-class in Kamrani and Lourdos, and Tartus was one pier, and Khmeimim airfield was of dubious value.
  20. Altona
    Altona April 14 2017 16: 05
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    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Why are they first-class ?! It was first-class in Kamrani and Lourdos, and Tartus was one pier, and Khmeimim airfield was of dubious value.

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    Well, justify your estimates. And how can Lourdes and Camranj control the Mediterranean Sea? This is a different geography at all.
    in fact, he was born in Nazareth and crucified in Jerusalem - this is Palestine, not Syria!

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    This is the ultimate truth, Jewish friends wrote. How not to believe them?
    We do not control Nicago, in general, from the friends you named


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    There is simply no political will, and so we can easily drive into the room. Or in the words of the late Churkin, "if you are rude, tomorrow there may no longer be such a country as Qatar."

    In general, you are not convincing.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 14 2017 19: 55
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Well, justify your estimates. And how can Lourdes and Camranj control the Mediterranean Sea? This is a different geography at all.

      No way - why do you need the Mediterranean Sea?
      Quote: Altona
      There is simply no political will, and so we can easily drive into the room. Or in the words of the late Churkin, "if you are rude, tomorrow there may no longer be such a country as Qatar."
      Oh, funny, Turkey shot down our plane, Qatar blew up our plane, Israel bombed our ally, but there wasn’t any will - this will not happen under the current leadership ... in order to bomb Qatar, you must first remove the largest US base from there, the Yankees will not be allowed to bomb, unlike ours.
      Quote: Altona
      In general, you are not convincing.
      Yes, in general, in some kind of looking glass, forgive me, live - no specifics
  21. Music
    Music April 14 2017 18: 35
    0
    I have long called Syria Afghanistan-2.0 call. But there is no common border. And there are straits. VM
  22. Altona
    Altona April 14 2017 21: 56
    0
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Yes, in general, in some kind of looking glass, forgive me, live - no specifics

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    Do I live in the Looking Glass? Well you give. I live in the reality given to us by sensations. And you live yesterday, speculation and the subjunctive mood. Anyhow yes, yes, what for. Lie on the stove and think, look for specifics, secret meanings. Good luck to you as Oblomov.
  23. dahpaz
    dahpaz April 15 2017 00: 31
    +2
    "events" like Syria never have one single goal! there are always several. some secondary ones are more important to achieve. is it possible to guess what is the main goal of the GDP ... I suppose a hundred approximately in the following sequence
    1. sales markets / gas lines
    2. Contrast the states with their presence as a counter argument. like a stop signal! that is, deliberate aggravation (controlled aggravation without bringing to n @@@@@@@) the confrontation with the West and God forbid to give slack!
    3. The only "home base" in the Mediterranean.
    everything else along the way, the tasks being solved, or rather, the tasks are corrected by the approach of the play and arise as a direct consequence of the presence in Syria. for example, the "Syrian training ground" as a platform for testing new types of weapons ... RUSSIAN WEAPONS DO NOT NEED ADVERTISING. MOST WORD-BORDING RUSSIAN WEAPONS ARE BRAND! which is popular and respected throughout the world. if there is an opportunity to test once again on real databases then why not ...
    Well, along the way, and to check the coherence and effectiveness of the work of everyone who is involved in this hard work. the group may not be big, but a lot of people and resources are involved in ensuring its work. and this is a good rehearsal and an opportunity to open problems. after all, the conflict with the West will not go anywhere and will rather be aggravated and it does not matter who is sitting in the white house.
  24. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx April 16 2017 00: 08
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    The situation is very dangerous. Perhaps a direct invasion of US troops to overthrow Assad. We need a preemptive strike against militants of unprecedented power, possibly very powerful vacuum bombs. We must shake and frighten potential aggressors with something. It is urgent to show their power before the invasion begins. Or strike on another front, for example, on the APU artillery batteries firing at Donetsk.