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Media: Due to the modernization of the "Sineva" fleet efficiency increase in 2,5 times

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Media: Due to the modernization of the "Sineva" fleet efficiency increase in 2,5 times

Modernization of the R-29RMU2 Sineva sea-based missile will increase the combat effectiveness of the Russian strategic nuclear forces fleet 2,5 times, said the representative of the main headquarters of the Navy Izvestia.

“The rocket in its new version will be called“ Liner ”and will be used on the same submarines as“ Sinev ”, as well as its predecessor,” he said. “However, the Liner, unlike the Blue, can carry not four warheads, but ten. In this regard, the Navy combat effectiveness will be increased more than twice. "

Also, the Liners will be needed so that while the Borey 955 submarines and the Bulava missiles are built and put into service, “Russian naval strategic nuclear forces are up-to-date and, if necessary, withstand possible threats from a probable enemy.”

At the same time, the Navy General Staff reported that there are no exact dates for the modernization of the Sinevy, and the process of updating these missiles will continue until 2020.

Earlier, Vladimir Vysotsky, commander in chief of the Navy, stated that the Liner missiles would be delivered to all the submarines of the 667 project, Kalmar and Dolphin.

In the State Research Center (State Rocket Center) named after Makeyev, where the basic rocket P-29 and its subsequent modifications, Sineva and Liner, were developed, after upgrading the rocket could be used on all boats of the 667 project.

“Mass and dimensional characteristics of rockets of the same type. Therefore, the “Liner” can be installed in the mine for the “Sinevy” or another P-29 rocket. However, in order to use a new rocket, it is necessary to slightly modernize the submarine: to improve the control system, as well as the electronic filling, which is associated with the rocket. But this is a small amount of work that can be carried out during the next scheduled repair, ”said a representative of the Makeev Culture Center.

According to the GRT representative, the complex as a whole remained the same, the developers only changed the “head” of the rocket, and also increased the number of warheads from 4 to 10. The cost of upgrading a missile range from 40 to 60 million rubles. The cost will directly depend on the state of the missile complex.

Colonel-General Viktor Esin, consultant to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia, former chief of the General Staff, called this modernization “moderate” caused by the developer’s desire to promote the rocket, of which the new Bulava is a direct competitor.

“It must be remembered that the life of the submarines of the 667 project, which are armed with the Sinevy complexes, will expire by 2020. What happens next with these submarines is not yet known. But rockets without boats are simply not needed, ”the colonel general explained.

However, Konstantin Sivkov, the first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, is sure that the modernization of the Sineva missiles is necessary.

“With timely repair, the submarine can be used for several decades. Therefore, the 2020 year is not the limit for the 667 project, ”said Sivkov.

According to him, “Sineva” significantly exceeds “Bulava” in power, and therefore the desire to preserve this development is quite natural, Izvestia writes.

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  1. Cripple cross
    Cripple cross 15 February 2012 16: 23
    +7
    According to him, “Sineva” is significantly superior to “Mace” in power,


    Good news smile
    1. Physician
      Physician 15 February 2012 17: 51
      +26
      Dear administration!
      Indicate the virtual wallet, we will help you than we can, such a trash as Bandera should be removed from the site all this scum here in order to paralyze the resource and mock users it just goes beyond all boundaries remove the sadist and Russophobe and his bots that sow racial hatred and mock Patriotic and National feelings of people!
      This bot is public

      dmitri076
      de_monSher
      Dust
      Kievan
      karla

      All residents of Military Review with Hope are looking at you!
      1. SmacXnumx
        SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 17: 58
        +8
        I support this scum and scum gloating and pouring their bile on each user
        1. Joker
          Joker 15 February 2012 18: 08
          -19
          Read the site rules to get started.
          1. Physician
            Physician 15 February 2012 18: 15
            +4
            Quote: Joker
            Read the site rules to get started.

            The rules are the same everywhere. Do not climb to everyone. Do not scoff at the feelings of your forehead. DO NOT PRESS MENTAL!
            What does this scum of Bandera do on a resource in life qualifies as articles of the Criminal Code!
            1. Cripple cross
              Cripple cross 16 February 2012 11: 20
              0
              I see the Jaminated Miner, 2 deleted comments and a large discus. Please tell me, did I miss something? smile
          2. SmacXnumx
            SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 18: 36
            +3
            Guys and this Joker turbid suits We all say that Bandera got the bots and he repeats the same spell
            Joker
            Guys, you read less fiction, otherwise you already have trolls around you. Are you not elves by chance? Or gnomes?
            In the 21st century, mental illnesses are well treated, it’s time for you to see a doctor, otherwise you can start and really ears will be pointed

            You understand what they say that we are all so eccentric and it seems strange to us When everything with us in your soul begins to boil from Bandera's hatred of the Russians and our Allies for us!
            it looks like a bot Bandera latent just crawled out now! am
            1. Reader
              Reader 15 February 2012 18: 38
              +2
              Quote: Smac27
              Guys and this Joker turbid suits We all say that Bandera got the bots and he repeats the same spell

              Yeah, I carefully read his comments. This mole is muddy. yes
            2. alex-defensor
              alex-defensor 15 February 2012 21: 34
              +3
              Guys, let the "sent Cossacks" be, we are already minus them !!! we need "whipping boys" laughing laughing laughing

              А Jokerbut in vain zaminus, he is definitely not one of them ...
              1. MURANO
                MURANO 15 February 2012 22: 17
                -4
                Quote: alex-defensor
                And Joker in vain zaminusili

                And dmitri076 too.
                In general, all this hysteria shows only weakness.
                Do not like someone, do not communicate. And if you communicate, it is argued.
                1. dmitri076
                  dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 25
                  -8
                  "And dmitri076 too." - I agree laughing Thank you for the moral support ... otherwise I don’t see anything except dozens of minuses .. yes
                  1. MURANO
                    MURANO 16 February 2012 01: 31
                    -10
                    I confused you with dmitry98 .. Just now I noticed. repeat laughing
                    1. dmitri076
                      dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 52
                      -3
                      "I confused you with dmitry98 .. Just now, notice" - said, they say, thanks ... it would be nice to use glasses laughing
                    2. go and see
                      go and see 16 February 2012 01: 59
                      -3
                      Quote: MURANO

                      I confused you with dmitry98 .. Just now I noticed.

                      You're already banderlog in your nicknames confused laughing laughing laughing
                2. go and see
                  go and see 16 February 2012 02: 01
                  -3
                  Quote: MURANO
                  Do not like someone, do not communicate

                  Well, what are you here THEN ran banderlog do not like do not communicate Licimer am
              2. dmitri076
                dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 24
                -7
                "sent Cossacks" will be, we will minus them so !!! "- my friend, so maybe not stupid minus, but bring some arguments and come to a common opinion together? ... have you tried? laughing
                1. SmacXnumx
                  SmacXnumx 16 February 2012 01: 27
                  -4
                  Quote: dmitri076
                  I don’t see anything ..

                  Quote: dmitri076
                  come to some kind of consensus? ..

                  What a bunch of banderlog shit again am
                2. Regularis
                  Regularis 16 February 2012 01: 39
                  -3
                  dmitri076, MURANO
                  In bots, not well, in kind, you’re in kind a banderlog sick for the whole head fool
                  1. MURANO
                    MURANO 16 February 2012 01: 45
                    -4
                    Have you written anything useful and informative on this site? smile
                3. ikrut
                  ikrut 16 February 2012 02: 48
                  0
                  with Bandera to "common opinion" ??? What are you talking about??? And for what? These are enemies worse than the SS. for them - only isolation and reservation. And in turbulent times - a bayonet and a bullet.
                  1. Arc76
                    Arc76 16 February 2012 10: 15
                    0
                    In vain you curse your founders so. These are your founding fathers. You must respect them.
                    1. ikrut
                      ikrut 16 February 2012 13: 40
                      +1
                      I owe you, the little ones, nothing ... Neither all in a crowd, nor everyone in particular.
                      and how are your "founding fathers" doing in Israel? I see that you respect them very much. You are constantly fighting for the "national idea" here, right? :)
                      1. Arc76
                        Arc76 16 February 2012 14: 06
                        0
                        Well, I’m generally a citizen of Russia, unlike you. By the way, I don’t go into Kiev politics with stupid advice, you better not curse with bretwald, you are one state, Rusyns will agree among themselves. wink
                4. alex-defensor
                  alex-defensor 16 February 2012 10: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: dmitri076
                  buddy, it might not be stupid to minus it, but could you bring any arguments and come to some kind of consensus? ... didn't you try?


                  "Buddy" (in quotes), so you carefully read my comments, so I argue, and more than yours, sir.

                  Speaking of argument: You would first remove the profile picture that offends our president, and after that they would talk about argumentation.

                  Better insert your photo, the US State Department should know its heroes in person, and we are also interested ... repeat
                  1. Arc76
                    Arc76 16 February 2012 12: 02
                    -2
                    And I like the profile picture, which is insulting. And as Putin wrote the foreign press today, his daughter is now studying in the states, so the State Department knows her face well.
                    1. ikrut
                      ikrut 16 February 2012 13: 55
                      +1
                      and what is insulting that the "Holocaust" is a lie?
                      1. Arc76
                        Arc76 16 February 2012 13: 57
                        -1
                        Nothing offensive. I do not know anything about this issue, it is you, my "young" Ukrainian friend, who will constantly raise it. You probably have a lot of relatives in kozmag camps for violating racial laws, that's why you exaggerate these phenomena, well, I won't argue with you from the insides of this process, you could better see how the Germans behaved with you there.
      2. Reader
        Reader 15 February 2012 18: 01
        +6
        Quote: Doctor
        Indicate a virtual wallet will help than we can

        Many agree to help not to see these creatures here
        If there is a technical means, please make it possible for each user in his own branch to remove the viciousness of these nonhumans independently.
        1. Regularis
          Regularis 15 February 2012 18: 04
          -3
          Quote: Lector
          If there is a technical means, please make it possible for each user in his own branch to remove the viciousness of these nonhumans independently.

          I agree! Dear Administration, give users the opportunity to edit their own branch from comments as in LJ so as to throw such scum as Bandera and its bots out of the dialogue!
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 16 February 2012 01: 01
            -2
            yeah, but at the same time those who say that the article.
            Not a good idea.
      3. Joker
        Joker 15 February 2012 18: 06
        -17
        Please run away to mom laughing in the country, democracy, whoever thinks what he is saying, does not like to listen to someone else's opinion that contradicts yours, bring it to another site. The site has its own rules for their non-compliance with the ban, if the user does not violate the rule and simply expresses his opinion (whatever it is) this is not a reason to call a person a sadist and Russophobe, you insult the person thereby violating one of the site’s rules, for that the administration should give you a ban. You are no better than the rest of the people on this site and it’s not for you to decide who needs to be removed from here.
        1. Physician
          Physician 15 February 2012 18: 12
          0
          Quote: Joker
          Run away to the mother, please, in the country, democracy, who thinks what he says and doesn’t like to listen to someone else’s opinion that contradicts yours, bring it to another site. The site has its own rules for their non-compliance with the ban, if the user does not violate the rule but simply expresses his opinion (whatever it is) this is not a reason to call a person a sadist and a Russophobe,

          There are no complainants am
          The resource is suffocating from Bandera and its bots. The vast majority do not want to see these sadists and virtual bandits here. We like and get out of here Bandera henchman!
        2. SmacXnumx
          SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 18: 20
          -1
          Quote: Joker
          call a person a sadist and Russophobe, these you insult a person thereby violating one of the rules of the site, for which the administration must put a ban on you

          How can a sadist and a Russophobe be insulted by the TRUTH? We don’t need to shut our mouths. People massively believe that these scum have no place on Military Review, and the last time the overwhelming majority spoke out in favor of expelling these non-people! am
          1. Dust
            Dust 15 February 2012 18: 25
            -13
            That's right, it’s even better to shoot reptiles!
            Who told you. What are you most? And what are you all right about?
            1. SmacXnumx
              SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 18: 49
              -1
              Quote: Dust
              That's right, it’s even better to shoot reptiles!

              This creature climbed here. We don’t want to say this. Please give us simple users the opportunity to get rid of this type. DATE US THE POSSIBILITY OF EDITING DELETING COMMENTS IN YOUR BRANCH
              In the meantime, I have only the opportunity to say
              Dust WENT YOU ON XXXX! am
              1. Dust
                Dust 15 February 2012 18: 52
                -5
                But in essence, there is something to say - we didn’t seem to intersect anywhere?
                No topics were discussed, except your insults to me - well, why such a fiery impulse? I'm just curious...
                1. go and see
                  go and see 15 February 2012 19: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Dust
                  But in essence, there is something to say - we didn’t seem to intersect anywhere?

                  This is a Bandera bot still here
                  Guys this one Dust here is this creature that is hiding behind a word in essence only yesterday humiliated the user Protopap Avakum for the fact that a person posted statistics EXACTLY FOR EXISTENCE!
                  Dear administration!
                  Please give us the opportunity to edit your comment thread to remove any misanthropic flood of schizophrenics like banderlog from it!
                  1. Dust
                    Dust 15 February 2012 19: 06
                    -4
                    I have not humiliated anyone - and my conversation can only be with a protopop about this, and not with you! He has not voiced any complaints - but what have you got to do with it?
                    I see you for the first time ...
              2. Physician
                Physician 15 February 2012 18: 52
                0
                Quote: Smac27
                Dust WENT YOU ON XXXX!

                Keep
                and Joker, by the way, is a Bandera clone, and he called it a trump card which he went now
                so guys
                Joker is a Trojan horse
                he has the same type of psychology with Bandera, the same style and the same style!
                1. Dust
                  Dust 15 February 2012 18: 59
                  -6
                  Do you have other topics to discuss?
                  Just barking - and who's messing up the forum here, eh?
                  Personally, I have never crossed paths with you anywhere - why are you attached to people? Or are you clones and trolls here?
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 15 February 2012 19: 29
                    -4
                    Don’t pay attention, I’ve probably been registered on this site for a year now and throughout the year there are such zander and whiners who cannot defend their opinion except as insults. If the site is all of the same opinion it is not interesting, then who to argue with?
                    1. Reader
                      Reader 15 February 2012 19: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Joker
                      If the site is all of the same opinion it is not interesting, then who to argue with?

                      They argue with the opinion of a person and not with the enemy exuding anger!
                    2. Dust
                      Dust 15 February 2012 19: 45
                      -3
                      I'm not a newbie, I have already been landed a couple of times ...
                      1. Physician
                        Physician 15 February 2012 19: 49
                        -3
                        Quote: Dust
                        I'm not a newbie, I have already been landed a couple of times ...

                        It is visible to the troll professional ...
                    3. Ascetic
                      Ascetic 15 February 2012 22: 51
                      +6
                      Quote: Joker
                      If the site is all of the same opinion it is not interesting, then who to argue with?


                      You can argue with a person who defends his views, let's say we are with comrade. under the nickname SAMSEBENAUM we disagree on the activities of Putin and Zyuganov, but we are both patriots of Russia and wish her well. And with those who call Russia Russia and this country and throw mud to argue about nothing and why. They turn the military-technical, historical, socio-political site "Voennoye Obozreniye" into a marginal trash heap
                      1. NovoSibirets
                        NovoSibirets 15 February 2012 23: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        You can argue with a person who defends his views ... And with those who call Russia Russia and this country and throw mud to argue about nothing and why. They turn the military-technical, historical, socio-political site "Voennoye Obozreniye" into a marginal trash heap


                        +1
                      2. SmacXnumx
                        SmacXnumx 16 February 2012 02: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: NovoSibirets
                        You can argue with a person who defends his views, let's say we are with comrade. under the nickname SAMSEBENAUM we disagree on the activities of Putin and Zyuganov, but we are both patriots of Russia and wish her well. And with those who call Russia Russia and this country and throw mud to argue about nothing and why. They turn the military-technical, historical, socio-political site "Voennoye Obozreniye" into a marginal trash heap

                        Banderlog slops with barrels on people today pour this mess am
                      3. Snake831
                        Snake831 15 February 2012 23: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        And with those who call Russia rashka and this country and pour mud, there’s nothing to argue about and why

                        One thousand percent is right! I don’t quite understand, is this a Russian resource or what? Something the administrators have is not right in their behavior! Recently, they corrected me! They inserted a completely inappropriate and silly phrase!
                      4. go and see
                        go and see 16 February 2012 02: 04
                        -3
                        Quote: Snake831
                        One thousand percent is right! I don’t quite understand, is this a Russian resource or what? Something the administrators have is not right in their behavior! Recently, they corrected me! They inserted a completely inappropriate and silly phrase!

                        Here, in general, some sort of Bandera coup has occurred, schizophrenics gain the upper hand insolently openly and cynically am
                      5. viktor_ui
                        viktor_ui 16 February 2012 08: 32
                        0
                        Ascetic - hello drinks ... about disputes over the diversity of views ... there is a feeling that most of the debaters are guys with the level corresponding to them, which is even and directly dependent on the surrounding fauna and flora + population (it is very noticeable on the topic of statements and the following plus or minusyatina - a splash of that and that on a scandalous or clearly provocative bazaar well, or on any other Fried TOPIC) winked ... therefore, the presence of skullheads clearly keeps the site in good shape (if any of the red or white bears outright crap, then it’s more than enough to simply tell your opponent about this without going into further controversy).
                        We all have our own level of resentment towards the opposite side, but in the bonus there will be one who has more brains (axiom).
                        It is a pity that the Local one disappeared from the site (or changed his name) - he has infa about the Taliban’s presence of 4 Skud installations that were seized from the Najibula’s regime - we had a controversial topic about their use in conjunction with An-24 Afghanistan and about their disgusting accuracy.
                        Good luck.
              3. desava
                desava 15 February 2012 19: 02
                -2
                Why did everyone get fed up? Joker case says. Everyone has the right to their point of view. What are you getting into a skirmish with? Do not pay attention to such comments. Or do you want to read opinions that only match yours ?! And why the hell then such a communication? I look here right after the castes are organized)))
                1. SmacXnumx
                  SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 19: 06
                  -3
                  Quote: desava
                  Why did everyone get fed up?

                  Because it got everyone here, even if you want to talk to him about health, even if he doesn’t crawl with everyone, but only to you, please, WE DO NOT WANT TO COMMUNICATE THESE BANDERLOGUS !!!
                  it is now clear
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 15 February 2012 19: 29
                    -4
                    Do not talk, who makes you?
                    1. Reader
                      Reader 15 February 2012 19: 32
                      -2
                      Quote: Joker

                      Do not talk, who makes you?

                      You cannot help but see that this banderlog climbs everywhere literally to everyone!
                      Nobody will mock him here. am
                2. Dust
                  Dust 15 February 2012 19: 09
                  -11
                  Yes, there really are castes - and all untouchables! And why then the forum?
                  He did not have time to blink an eye, and not a day had passed since registration, as already minuses were thrown above the roof ...
                  1. SmacXnumx
                    SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 19: 13
                    -1
                    Quote: Dust
                    Yes, there really are castes - and all untouchables!

                    they really say you bandit Everything went to XXX am
                    1. go and see
                      go and see 15 February 2012 19: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Smac27
                      they really say you bandit Everything went to XXX

                      YES WENT YOU DUST ON XXX !!!
                  2. Reader
                    Reader 15 February 2012 19: 24
                    -1
                    Quote: Dust
                    Yes, there really are castes - and all untouchables!

                    HAHAHA!
                    WHO SAYS THIS GOD'S OLOLOLO!
                    THIS IS IN YOUR LJ YOU ARE SECTANTS TO THE untouchable! SOMETHING AND THERE IS NOT A WHOLE MAGAZINE WITH A HUGE HISTORY!
                    NOSE DEMAGOGY ALREADY ALL REACHED!
                    (FROM THE WORD OF THE NOSE IF WHAT)
                    1. Dust
                      Dust 15 February 2012 19: 29
                      -5
                      I am not God's chosen one, but is it really forbidden for Jews to access?
                      I’m not a Ukrainian, but is Ukrainians also denied access?
                      I do not have my own LJ, but is it possible for the owners of LJ access is closed?
                      Isn't it hard to write the same thing in three windows at once, all?
                      And who is the troll here, huh?
                      1. SmacXnumx
                        SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 19: 52
                        -3
                        Quote: Dust
                        Isn't it hard to write the same thing in three windows at once, all?

                        IN I AM EVEN THE WAY THERE WASN'T KNOW THERE YOU ARE TROLL AND BURNED
                      2. go and see
                        go and see 15 February 2012 19: 55
                        -5
                        Quote: Smac27
                        IN I AM EVEN THE WAY THERE WASN'T KNOW THERE YOU ARE TROLL AND BURNED

                        And I thought how this type of banderlog manages to crap everywhere
                      3. Churchill
                        Churchill 15 February 2012 21: 35
                        -2
                        Specify, my dear, than this gentleman has annoyed you! Apart from swearing, nothing is heard from you yet.
                      4. go and see
                        go and see 16 February 2012 01: 58
                        -2
                        Quote: Churchill
                        Specify, my dear, than this gentleman has annoyed you

                        this gentleman and you are one and the same face or rather the face of a fat troll am
                      5. ikrut
                        ikrut 16 February 2012 03: 08
                        -2
                        He (like you) is unpleasant for us in relation to our values ​​and goals. It provokes people to unnecessary explanations and evidence that, and so here, the MOST is clear. Typically Jewish approach. He introduces aspects of doubts about the correctness of ideas, taunts our highest interests, ideals, people's achievements, the exploits of OUR Heroes, and the memory of OUR ancestors. Experienced and experienced people may well pass this by their ears. But the site has a lot of young people, for whom we must and will fight this scum of yours.
                        You have already forgotten a lot and are thinking. that everything is allowed and available to you. If only because you are "virtual". However, you shouldn't hope. It is quite easy to "calculate" you. I don't even mean the address and so on. In everyday life. And the time will come when you will remember your ridicule and bullying. People have grown a lot wiser over the past 20 years. Take my word for it. Judas can be seen from a kilometer away. so you better shut up and don't be dashing. while it sleeps.
                      6. Arc76
                        Arc76 16 February 2012 10: 10
                        -3
                        And you have your own state and your values. You are now a respected foreigner. The funny thing is that you are also going to calculate someone else, well, you will calculate what’s next. Come on to Uncle and Grandfather, they were waiting for you on the Neva Piglet. You are my dandy.
                      7. ikrut
                        ikrut 16 February 2012 13: 51
                        +2
                        Son. It is your "uncles and grandfathers" who have rotted long ago and there is no memory left. Because they lived only for themselves. By theft and deception. Laugh at this. And it is you and your fellow believers - foreigners. You parasitize everywhere and everywhere. Shit. And my ancestors lived gloriously and managed to protect their land. And we will be able to. So, don't be afraid. And your bgat needs to cry to learn. Remember, so to speak, the experience of the hated ancestors.
                      8. Arc76
                        Arc76 16 February 2012 14: 59
                        0
                        You’re all moaning and moaning, you’re able to protect something, you are trying to protect everyone, as far as I know no one has attacked Ukraine. Better come with Bretwald to work, an excellent team of Ukrainians-finishers would come out of you ? So old time.
                  3. Joker
                    Joker 15 February 2012 19: 37
                    -6
                    Well, it's okay, at one time I generally had a rating of -5000 and got used to the guys, sometimes we argue and everyone gets pleasure from it. And do not pay attention to the Doctor from those people who cannot defend his opinion with reasonable words and facts, but simply go on insults, such people do not cause respect for anyone, only pity. Always say what you think, but do not pay attention to the rating, just don’t pass on insults and everything will be ok.
                    1. Physician
                      Physician 15 February 2012 19: 46
                      -3
                      Quote: Joker
                      such people don’t respect anyone,

                      Yah!
                      In general, then your respect is a tragedy for Normal you are a Bandera bot empty place laughing
                    2. Churchill
                      Churchill 15 February 2012 21: 42
                      +1
                      I earned 500 points for the Chinese, our single-parent brothers. And this is only because I dared to assert that you can’t believe them, much less count on such allies! What they actually proved today! But how sharply, how radically the opinion changed esteemed community! And with what voluptuous inspiration it, this very community, pluses each other for the same thing, for which they recently anathematized! .. It is somehow irrational. fool
                      1. go and see
                        go and see 16 February 2012 01: 58
                        -6
                        Quote: Churchill
                        I am for the Chinese, our one-mother brothers

                        you have no brothers other than orderlies laughing
                    3. domokl
                      domokl 16 February 2012 07: 02
                      -1
                      A conversation between a man and a donkey ... reminds ... What do you break your spears in the fight against windmills? There are quite sensible people here who are competent and not politicized ... But talking to immigrants from the homeland of elephants means simply writing to nowhere. .. None of them will read you ... They will simply be sprinkled with saliva and bile ... Their point of view and all were well-reasoned and clear ...
                  4. NovoSibirets
                    NovoSibirets 15 February 2012 20: 10
                    0
                    Dust, my dear, I convincingly proved your essence to you yesterday, and here again you lit a snot with sugar. This is certainly fun, I even laughed yesterday, but entertainment also has a limit! You are a troll, my friend! This is proven.
                    But the troll is peculiar. It’s hard to classify you. A kind of troll - masturbation, a lot of movements, but the result is zero, there is ejaculation, but there is no thought! )) Do you understand? Your main task is to breed a return post! What good is it for you? Well, admit, a bad person! )))
                    I even loved Banderlogos, he even has a position, and your character is just shapeless jelly that parasitizes on our bright face !!! )))
                    1. Dust
                      Dust 15 February 2012 20: 16
                      -4
                      You have proven in your imagination, dear!
                      Have a good night's sleep? Have you entered the shift?
                      In fact, it is precisely on this topic that I don’t see any reason for such close attention - I simply asked who would be responsible for the stupidly spent money on the development of new missiles! And away we go, gurgled - it turned out that I was to blame ...
                      Well. well, although to be honest - it's not me ...
                      1. NovoSibirets
                        NovoSibirets 15 February 2012 20: 24
                        -2
                        Quote: Dust
                        You have proven in your imagination, dear!

                        Remind evidence base? ;)

                        Quote: Dust
                        just asked,

                        This is your main method!

                        Quote: Dust
                        And away we go, gurgled - it turned out that I was to blame ...

                        If you are talking about diarrhea, then intestinal bacteria are always to blame for it, the result of which is gas. Do you understand where I'm getting to? )))

                        Quote: Dust
                        Well. well, although to be honest - it's not me ...

                        Miss you, Dust, miss you ...
                      2. Dust
                        Dust 15 February 2012 20: 32
                        -4
                        You noted in a raid on me, poor thing, called bacteria? But these are your words, they already arranged ritual dances near me ...
                        I would rather talk about something more substantial, rather than bacteria, even as many large-star ones, but the topic is really not visible, all just puppies frolic, minus the strangers and handing out their pluses ...
                      3. SmacXnumx
                        SmacXnumx 15 February 2012 20: 44
                        -2
                        Quote: Dust
                        I, minus sign strangers and distributing my plus sign ...

                        Correctly schizophrenics like you are labeled on the Web, although you minus the banderlog and plus like a robot changing bots and then you completely quack quack
                      4. NovoSibirets
                        NovoSibirets 15 February 2012 20: 45
                        -5
                        Quote: Dust
                        You noted in a raid on me, poor thing, called bacteria?

                        Nicely "turned over". )) I'm sure you understand the true meaning of what was said to you.

                        Quote: Dust
                        I would rather talk about something more meaningful than about bacteria, even as many large stars,

                        Well, the real face of the "intelligent little one, looking at life with naive and pure eyes", so sincerely asking all members of the forum about certain entertaining events, is beginning to see through!


                        Quote: Dust
                        all just puppies frolic, minus the strangers and handing out their pluses ...

                        Don't mind us, sir! Do you have to deal with such trifles! Carry yourself beautifully! ;)
                        Okay, gracious sovereign, stay, as it’s not good with you, but Zenith-Benfica is more interesting. All the best. Maybe we'll meet again if you are interesting. Everyone .., moved ... He left.
                    2. Regularis
                      Regularis 15 February 2012 20: 33
                      -1
                      Quote: NovoSibirets
                      Dust, my dear, I convincingly proved your essence to you yesterday, and here again you lit a snot with sugar.

                      He is not nice, he is petty, even a complete scoundrel without honor and conscience
                      for which words such as Morality and Morality are meaningless, this is an open, impudent enemy, and appealing to his conscience is throwing beads in front of a pig only in lice to drive him and his bots am
                    3. Reader
                      Reader 15 February 2012 20: 34
                      0
                      Quote: NovoSibirets
                      Dust, my dear, I convincingly proved your essence to you yesterday, and here again you lit a snot with sugar.

                      He is not nice, he is petty, even a complete scoundrel without honor and conscience
                      for which words such as Morality and Morality are meaningless, this is an open, impudent enemy, and appealing to his conscience is throwing beads in front of a pig only in lice to drive him and his bots am
                    4. Reader
                      Reader 15 February 2012 20: 36
                      0
                      Quote: NovoSibirets
                      Dust, my dear, I convincingly proved your essence to you yesterday, and here again you lit a snot with sugar.

                      He is not nice, he is petty, even a complete scoundrel without honor and conscience
                      for which words such as Morality and Morality are meaningless, this is an open, impudent enemy, and appealing to his conscience is throwing beads in front of a pig only in lice to drive him and his bots am
                  5. alexng
                    alexng 15 February 2012 21: 01
                    -3
                    Don't scratch Honduras and it won't bother you. In fact, getting cons and continuing in the same spirit is already a disease, a roguel is called
                  6. Churchill
                    Churchill 15 February 2012 21: 32
                    -2
                    They want everything to be like in the Duma. One said - everyone nodded! ..
                    I’m not a banderlog, not a troll, and certainly not a Bendera, but if my opinion is at variance with the hymnology that, unfortunately, there are too many infected, this does not mean that I need to adapt. To live with wolves, howl like a wolf for all!
                    1. ikrut
                      ikrut 16 February 2012 03: 15
                      -2
                      Who are you? how do you write the word "God"? Through the dash?
                      But tell me - the Holocaust - was it really - or is it a lie from beginning to end?
                      Do you think Israel is worthy of destruction or not?
                      Let's talk, huh?
                  7. dmitri076
                    dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 31
                    -2
                    "As already the minuses have been thrown over the roof." - ha-ha, for sure .. even at night the push buttons "work" laughing how they work at work ...
                    1. go and see
                      go and see 16 February 2012 01: 57
                      -3
                      Quote: Churchill
                      they don’t want them to have everything as in the Duma. One said - everyone nodded! ..

                      Quote: dmitri076
                      ha-ha, for sure .. even at night the buttons "work"

                      In how the schizophrenic himself and Saba talked laughing
                3. Joker
                  Joker 15 February 2012 19: 33
                  -7
                  And you don’t remember? smile Each time, newcomers register and try to set their own rules everywhere smile If there is no one to argue with on the site, then it makes sense to write comments, stupidly something to praise the crowd or whom to humiliate? on the contrary, when there are people with an excellent point of view, it is always nice, you can consider the issue from different points of view. I'm glad that the old people support me in this smile
                  1. desava
                    desava 15 February 2012 19: 39
                    -4
                    I fully support. In particular, I like to have a dialogue with SWEET SIXTEEN - I posted several publications about American ships and the fleet in general. In my opinion, the argument with him was entertaining.
                    1. go and see
                      go and see 15 February 2012 19: 55
                      -2
                      Quote: desava
                      In my opinion, the argument with him was entertaining.

                      With a normal person, but not with a troll of Bandera
                      1. desava
                        desava 15 February 2012 20: 06
                        +1
                        To be honest, I do not quite understand what criteria you all use when you call someone a troll or something else. It's a bit far away, you see ... But why you start to get personal - I don't understand. This is now I'm not on the topic of the forum talking to you. I like to discuss any issue, so I argue not with a person's personality, but with his opinion and point of view. And the fact that you started to "minus" me here so there is an appropriate saying: "I scared a hedgehog naked ... sing!"
                    2. Foamas
                      Foamas 15 February 2012 20: 48
                      -1
                      desava
                      You can prompt information on pr.945?
                      The question here is - http://topwar.ru/11297-mplatrk-proektov-945945a945b-barrakuda-kondor-mars.html
                      1. desava
                        desava 15 February 2012 20: 57
                        -1
                        Foamas
                        I asked this question about 2-3 months ago on the forum to another article, I don’t remember which one already. Then he just asked - they pounced on - why is being asked, what is the point ... I read today's, nevertheless - I thank you.
                      2. Foamas
                        Foamas 15 February 2012 21: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: desava
                        just asked - pounced

                        How's that?
                        Fleet article? or news?
                      3. desava
                        desava 15 February 2012 21: 19
                        0
                        I do not remember exactly. Then our "Kuzya" just went on a campaign in the Mediterranean, and in the process of discussion, I asked if I was building the pr.945 nuclear submarine. It became curious because at one time in my graduation project "Barracuda" was one of the private prototypes. The durable titanium alloy case should last a long time, but the lightweight one is made of steel. I don't remember whether electrochemical corrosion is possible between them, as between the bronze propellers of ships and the hull skin ...
                      4. Foamas
                        Foamas 15 February 2012 22: 05
                        -2
                        Can go to the fleet, and then the audience is riotous ...
                        Reviewed the entire fleet in 3 months - could not find winked
                        There are questions about other projects ...
                      5. MURANO
                        MURANO 15 February 2012 22: 18
                        -1
                        Did they look at DIMMI? At the Base?
                      6. Foamas
                        Foamas 15 February 2012 22: 42
                        -3
                        Hello MURANO smile
                        DIMMI does not have 945, the database gives conflicting information.
                        Here, I'm trying to clarify with specialists ..
                      7. MURANO
                        MURANO 15 February 2012 22: 56
                        -1
                        K-239-on conservation in Severodvinsk .. Fate is decided. Most likely, they will cut it. The rest are part of the 7th division.
                  2. Reader
                    Reader 15 February 2012 19: 39
                    -2
                    Quote: Joker
                    on the contrary, when there are people with an excellent point of view, it is always nice, you can consider the issue from different points of view

                    Joker cool down Man if he is normal he communicates and does not impose his communication not to whom it is Man
                    and Bandera is a schizophrenic bot and cannot communicate except for mockery and mockery of people's feelings, this creature has nothing!
                    He has neither Conscience nor Morality; he is this evil pure Evil and he has a place in Hell in the bathhouse and not among Normal users!
                    1. Joker
                      Joker 15 February 2012 19: 55
                      -3
                      And in my opinion a normal person, what is this answer hi, attacked him, get aggression in response smile
                      1. Physician
                        Physician 15 February 2012 20: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: Joker
                        And in my opinion a normal person, what is this answer hi, attacked him, get aggression in response

                        You are a clone of this not normal being who adapted adapted to the situation and now you got out of the sleeve you are another voice of one Bandera head
                      2. Reader
                        Reader 15 February 2012 20: 04
                        -4
                        Quote: Doctor
                        You are a clone of this not normal being who adapted adapted to the situation and now you got out of the sleeve you are another voice of one Bandera head

                        It seems you're right Dr with these words that the normal banderlog he gave himself away
                      3. Joker
                        Joker 15 February 2012 20: 53
                        -5
                        Guys, schizophrenia is being treated. laughing
                      4. Churchill
                        Churchill 15 February 2012 21: 51
                        -5
                        Rudeness is not treated! Alas! .. foolThe Sharikovs are indestructible, professor! .. crying
                      5. ytqnhfk
                        ytqnhfk 16 February 2012 07: 42
                        -1
                        The joker, too, is watching you different attitude towards you! You look at different questions in different ways and still analyze this or that info. You have an opinion but it is not traditional! Not everyone is like you, I’ll say about trolls so they always have the same idolology! they don’t need anything (I’m talking about discussion) they just do everything and everyone! There’s a conversation about this I wrote several times that the TU-160 costs 7-10 billion rubles, it writes dollars and does not admit its mistake with such people time to waste! and so on any topic, even having proved his mistake, he simply does not recognize it, in my opinion it’s easy to block them!
                      6. Joker
                        Joker 16 February 2012 15: 44
                        0
                        I agree with you, I’m just leading to everything, that if you yourself begin to go down to insults, then what are you better than the troll.
                4. Churchill
                  Churchill 15 February 2012 21: 26
                  -5
                  Finally a sound judgment! gentlemen, the squabbles of women do not paint the gentlemen! And even in the heat of the moment no one is allowed to go beyond the bounds of decency. After all, where were you brought up?! .. fool
        3. dmitri076
          dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 28
          -1
          "Mummy run away complain" - absolutely sure, youngsters have nothing to say simply due to the lack of a brain ... you do not stupidly minus, but give some articulate information! fool
          1. SmacXnumx
            SmacXnumx 16 February 2012 01: 32
            -6
            Quote: dmitri076
            absolutely, youngsters have nothing to say simply because of the lack of a brain ...

            while the schizophrenic sausages from nick to nick runs and crap and smiles puts aggravation to replace the weather or the day fool
      4. Churchill
        Churchill 15 February 2012 22: 03
        -5
        I declare the Komsomol meeting open! fool fool fool
        1. Physician
          Physician 15 February 2012 22: 57
          -1
          Quote: Churchill
          Rudeness is not treated! Alas! .. Sha

          Quote: Churchill
          Finally a sound judgment!

          Quote: Churchill
          I declare the Komsomol meeting open!

          And this is not trolling. A normal person. Not a schizophrenic.
          you schizophrenic banderlog and troll
          fool fool fool fool fool
          1. Joker
            Joker 15 February 2012 23: 17
            -8
            Besides your guesses, how can you confirm this? fool
            1. Reader
              Reader 15 February 2012 23: 28
              +4
              Quote: Joker
              Besides your guesses, how can you confirm this?

              And why should he confirm when it is already clear to everyone that you are a troll, a Bandera man has come running HOW ASAPID to stand up for his next bot named Churchill
              YOU'RE Joker CRAZY CRAZY fool
          2. go and see
            go and see 16 February 2012 01: 55
            -3
            Quote: Doctor
            And this is not trolling. A normal person. Not a schizophrenic.
            you schizophrenic banderlog and troll

            +100500
        2. Joker
          Joker 15 February 2012 23: 15
          -9
          It all reminds me of the plot of the movie "Hipsters", did you look like that? smile
          If not briefly, here is the plot- The film takes place in Moscow in 1955-1956 years. Stalin has already died, but the cult of personality has not yet been exposed by his successor - Nikita Khrushchev. A fashionable trend appeared in the capital - the so-called “styling”. The dudes, as they are contemptuously called feuilletonists from Crocodile, or dudes and dudes, as they call themselves, are young people from different families who are fond of jazz and rock and roll and prefer a free and vibrant lifestyle and clothes to the gray officialdom of "goons" - exemplary Soviet citizens. The company of young people “craps around Broad” (Gorky Street), has fun at the “Cocktail Hall” (“Koke”), conducts “processes” at the “huts”; not wanting to wear a disgusting “coincidental”, they buy foreign “clothes” from blacksmiths, order “jackets”, “hawks”, “trauser”, ties of flashy colors, with parrot palms and half-naked girls, “shoes for semolina” in clandestine workshops "Rewrite jazz" on the bones. " Their lifestyle contrasts sharply with the boring, miserable post-war Soviet life. But the country still has a directive on the fight against "rootless cosmopolitanism" [3]. And the Komsomol patrols and squads armed with scissors to rip narrow trousers and cut off ties and “cocoons” are connected to the fight against “dudes”.

          That’s for people like the Doctor, I’d probably also be waiting in the porch with scissors in those days laughing
          1. Physician
            Physician 15 February 2012 23: 23
            -1
            Quote: Joker
            It all reminds me of the plot of the movie "Hipsters", did you look like that?

            In my opinion, no one doubts that Joker this is a banderlog bot a person cannot be so devoted to two different villains with different nicknames to perceive everything as a personal insult! already for everyone it is OBVIOUS that Joker Churchill Dust this is the same sore head of the same sadist bandit Bandera yes
            1. Dust
              Dust 15 February 2012 23: 28
              -7
              Personally, I am not familiar with the characters you indicated - you would have cooled, tired, honestly ...
              1. Physician
                Physician 15 February 2012 23: 34
                -2
                Quote: Dust
                Personally, I am not familiar with the characters you indicated - you would have cooled, tired, honestly ...

                The schizophrenic and your bots are tired of you here; everything for you is a thug; am
            2. Joker
              Joker 15 February 2012 23: 48
              -3
              Do you know that no one is in doubt? that you are a schizophrenic and a troll, ask the admins what IP and Dust I have, maybe after their answer you will understand that it’s time to be treated. And I support him because I hate people like you, people trying to impose their opinions on others. You are a very stupid person and I can justify these words to you. You are a spammer and a troll, such as you need to be isolated from society in mental hospitals, because your actions and words show that you are crazy because you have a persecution mania. I will no longer argue with you, such as you just have to wait until you lose consciousness, you don’t understand otherwise. Learn to listen to the opinions of others and not go on insults Mr. Troll. Wish you all the best.
              1. Physician
                Physician 16 February 2012 00: 07
                -4
                So listen!
                You are not Joker, you are a banal six.
                What a voice of the offended Mademoiselle how many lies and hypocrisy before changing nickname to Dust and not continuing your mockery of the residents of the IP resource dynamically changes and proving that you are just a voice in one sore head is very difficult. If it were a local resource, you are a schizophrenic, but you would not dare to open your mouth because you are not far away to visit, and here you post and post changing one your nickname to another and do not even hide that you are just the same crazy wretch suffering from mania you are probably watching in some Israeli psychiatric clinic.
                You are a schizophrenic day on the fly monitoring resource in search of satisfying the desire to emphasize your own exceptionalism
                You are sick, and if possible, I will achieve your forced hospitalization.
                1. dmitri076
                  dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 38
                  -1
                  "You are sick and if there is an opportunity I will achieve your forced hospitalization" - ahah, this "doctor" is already "treating" people here too ?! ... laughing activist entertainer ..
            3. desava
              desava 16 February 2012 00: 34
              +3
              Listen to the Healer - stop talking on behalf of everyone! Do you take too much on yourself, dear ?! I have been communicating with Joker and Murano for a long time. I believe in their adequacy much more than in yours. I will not enter into a dispute with you as I have self-esteem. But without knowing the person, your opponent, you are carrying illiterate hysterical nonsense to him. Do not you think that you still need to think about your statements? The impression of you is created that you are a schoolboy with complexes.
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 15 February 2012 23: 27
            +5
            Quote: Joker
            Their lifestyle contrasts sharply with the boring, miserable post-war Soviet life.


            So they just turned their way of life into Russia into HOUSE-2.
            Ped ........ ie young people recalled from head to tip of the penis along with glamorous sheep-shaped girls
            1. Joker
              Joker 15 February 2012 23: 58
              -7
              Oh, and you yourself refer to the gray mass? In the USSR, if you are at least different from others, you are an enemy of the people, but for example, I like to decide for myself what to do, how to dress, what to spend money on, how to spend free time. And I don’t want it to be decided for me by some Vasya and Petya whom I don’t even know, but for that they are members of the trade union and will teach me what to wear and what to do. How old are you? 25? You didn’t live in those days, but if you lived, you would be glad that communism no longer exists. Man is an individual and not just one organism from a gray mass. Naturally, I'm talking about things that do not go beyond the standards of decency, such as all sorts of gays and the like.

              Ped ........ é young people reminded from head to tip of the penis along with glamorous sheep-shaped girls, here you lie, this movement began with those people who liked jazz, and they all dressed in what they wore at that time in Europe and the USA, they didn’t put on lipstick, believe me smile
              1. MURANO
                MURANO 16 February 2012 00: 02
                -3
                Quote: Joker
                Oh, and you yourself refer to the gray mass? In the USSR, if you are at least different from others, you are an enemy of the people, but for example, I like to decide for myself what to do, how to dress, what to spend money on, how to spend free time. And I don’t want it to be decided for me by some Vasya and Petya whom I don’t even know, but for that they are members of the trade union and will teach me what to wear and what to do. How old are you? 25? You didn’t live in those days, but if you lived, you would be glad that communism no longer exists. Man is an individual and not just one organism from a gray mass. Naturally, I'm talking about things that do not go beyond the standards of decency, such as all sorts of gays and the like.

                Ped ........ é young people reminded from head to tip of the penis along with glamorous sheep-shaped girls, here you are lying, this movement began with those people who liked jazz, and they all dressed in what they wore at that time in Europe and the USA, they didn’t put on lipstick so believe me smile

                +1
            2. Physician
              Physician 16 February 2012 00: 12
              -1
              Quote: Ascetic
              So they just turned their way of life into Russia into HOUSE-2.
              Ped ........ ie young people recalled from head to tip of the penis along with glamorous sheep-shaped girls

              + 100 million
              1. MURANO
                MURANO 16 February 2012 00: 16
                -1
                Physician
                How old are you?
                1. Physician
                  Physician 16 February 2012 00: 19
                  -7
                  Quote: MURANO
                  Physician
                  How old are you?

                  HAHAHA !!!
                  Missing Joker appeared MURANO this happens when you change your nickname HERE THE SAME NETWORK DETECTION IS BANDERLOG fool
                  WELL OK TO TOMORROW TO WORK THIS YOU A BANDERLOG BOTTOM WORK BETWEEN PROCEDURES write your HISTORY OF DISEASE TOMORROW I WILL REVIEW wink
                  1. MURANO
                    MURANO 16 February 2012 00: 24
                    -1
                    And suppose that your hysterical posts may "interest" not only the Joker weakly? laughing
                    1. Reader
                      Reader 16 February 2012 00: 32
                      -7
                      Quote: MURANO
                      And suppose that your hysterical posts may "interest" not only the Joker weakly?

                      The doctor is right and it’s clear to everyone here just like the fact that you’re a banderlog bot and why did the Jews already get everyone here am
                      1. MURANO
                        MURANO 16 February 2012 00: 38
                        -2
                        Now I am forced to admit that schizophrenia is present in some comrades ...
                        So fuck up the topic ...!
                      2. Reader
                        Reader 16 February 2012 00: 42
                        -5
                        Quote: MURANO
                        Now I am forced to admit that schizophrenia is present in some comrades ...
                        So fuck up the topic ...!

                        one of you the Doctor said and left and you all rushing around like a paranoid and I’m crazy with you crazy I don’t want to talk without brakes schizoid fool
                      3. Foamas
                        Foamas 16 February 2012 01: 14
                        -2
                        Reader - with your head The trouble...
                        Choose expressions when communicating with PEOPLE..
                        Reread site rules am
                      4. go and see
                        go and see 16 February 2012 01: 54
                        -7
                        Quote: FoMaS
                        Choose expressions when communicating with PEOPLE ..

                        teach yourself not to troll am
                      5. Joker
                        Joker 16 February 2012 00: 51
                        -5
                        Yes, I’m talking about smile You can still put forward at the end such a topic that Dust and the Healer are one and the same person who likes to argue with himself laughing
                      6. SmacXnumx
                        SmacXnumx 16 February 2012 01: 23
                        -6
                        Quote: FoMaS
                        Choose expressions when communicating with PEOPLE ..

                        Quote: Joker
                        Yes, I’m talking about

                        You don’t know how many bots the banderlog managed to get latent hidden Healer respect you opened up this secret abscess now we need to remove this cancer tumor FoMaS, Joker, MURANO how much did am
                      7. dmitri076
                        dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 40
                        -3
                        "Now I am forced to admit that some comrades have schizophrenia ...
                        So shit the topic ...! "- exactly, pseudo-healers - masters of their useless" business "... in the" rocket "topic to discuss mental illness ... laughing
      5. Marat
        Marat 15 February 2012 23: 08
        +2
        I will support the Healer!
        1. Regularis
          Regularis 16 February 2012 01: 46
          -3
          Quote: Marat
          I will support the Healer!

          The doctor in the cap of all the reptiles collected all the biz of a schizophrenic!
          good good good
      6. old rocket man
        old rocket man 16 February 2012 00: 57
        -4
        Physician,
        I support, they dishonor the site
        1. Regularis
          Regularis 16 February 2012 01: 47
          -4
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          I support, they dishonor the site

          All these banderlogs dmitri076 FoMaS MURANO Churchill
          They turn the site of the Military Review into the trash! am
          The doctor brought all this scum to clean water and in one place he collected in kind the Doctor, the specialist calculated all the shit yes
          1. go and see
            go and see 16 February 2012 01: 53
            -3
            Quote: Regularis
            All these banderlogs dmitri076 FoMaS MURANO Churchill
            They turn the site of the Military Review into the trash!
            The doctor brought all this scum to clean water and in one place he collected in kind the Doctor, the specialist calculated all the shit

            I just now noticed the whole shushera got out healer magician good
            1. MURANO
              MURANO 16 February 2012 01: 56
              -2
              Insanity grows stronger! laughing laughing fool
      7. dmitri076
        dmitri076 16 February 2012 01: 21
        -3
        "Dear administration!" - ha ha, what am I actually doing on this wonderful list? laughing "doctor" here is a knocking user? ..... not good somehow lol
        1. Regularis
          Regularis 16 February 2012 01: 42
          -2
          Quote: dmitri076
          here is a knocking user

          The doctor does not knock, he diagnoses you a schizophrenic PUBLIC and you knock the Jews in a personal guide to LJ am
      8. ikrut
        ikrut 16 February 2012 02: 43
        -2
        I support. Why from a specialized interesting site to make the next platform for skirmishes and inciting ethnic strife. it’s better not to give a reason for this. Of course, you can give a rebuff to them, but it's a pity to lose your time for this. Thanks in advance
    2. Neighbor
      Neighbor 15 February 2012 20: 36
      -4
      It is high time!!!! Show Amer-what they should in case of what kipesh-naprvenlenngo against Great Russia !!!!! wink

      Sineva - going in the Chelyabinsk region. Developed in Chelyabinsk - Department of Ballistic Missiles of the South Ural State. University!
      Hooray!!!! For Putin Vovka !!!!!!!!! wink

      Yes!!!!! Sineva is going to the Chelyabinsk region !!! Developed in Chelyabinsk - SUSU - Department of Ballistic Missiles !!!!!
    3. domokl
      domokl 16 February 2012 06: 29
      -3
      An excellent solution and probably the cheapest of all options ... Building boats for new missiles is expensive, but building missiles for old is real and fast ... Well done ... And the hysteria that is being pumped up by our ex-brothers is nothing more than cries of powerlessness and anger .. Do not pay attention ... Srbaka barks, the caravan goes ...
  2. grizzlir
    grizzlir 15 February 2012 16: 34
    0
    Oops, it means Bulava is postponed indefinitely. And how many URA were there when there was a chatter about the fact that very soon so many and so many boats armed with a Bulava rocket would be built. How long ago it was. And yet, I saw information that there were not 4 warheads on Sinev as written in the article, and 8. Otherwise, an increase in warheads from 4x to 10 will affect at least the range of the missile.
    1. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross 15 February 2012 16: 41
      -1
      27/12/2011 Yuri Dolgoruky on December 23 successfully fired two Bulava missiles
      After that, a source in the state commission for testing this new sea ballistic missile said that the Bulava would be put into service in the very near future.


      So that all is well. Let Sineva be led to a leisurely mind now, and the Mace for the time being will guard.
    2. Eugene
      Eugene 15 February 2012 16: 48
      +3
      It seems to me that you are mistaken:

      Squids and dolphins at the moment are the only active missile carriers, and they need a replacement missile, Boreev is not yet particularly visible, and if we immediately depreciate the project due to old 667 missiles, we will not have any nuclear forces left. Therefore, the liner is indestructible, possibly as a temporary measure.

      10 warheads are unlikely to lead to a significant reduction if they lead to: because most likely everything will be aimed at reducing the power of the charge, despite the fact that the accuracy can be significantly increased. If we trace the history of the development of warheads, it can be seen that with an increase in accuracy, they reduced power.

      Even more interesting is the question of 7 boats of the 667th project, 16 missiles on each, 10 goals on each. We can tear a serious piece of the limit from the rest of the nuclear triad.
    3. MURANO
      MURANO 15 February 2012 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: grizzlir
      an increase in warheads from 4x to 10 will affect at least the missile range.

      Should not. The combat units are smaller in size and mass. The arithmetic is simple, either many small or small large.
      1. MURANO
        MURANO 15 February 2012 19: 01
        0
        It’s interesting, what clever man put a minus and for what? laughing
        1. desava
          desava 15 February 2012 19: 19
          +1
          I remember once I also asked when I asked the question "are the 945s in service." Do not pay attention - someone's lack of education, or just cattle ... Hey, people! Whoever wants to argue with such a visual one, I'm not afraid to say with an axiom:
          Quote: MURANO
          either many small or small large
          ?
          1. Joker
            Joker 15 February 2012 19: 39
            +1
            Yes there guys set their rules up smile they minus everyone smile
          2. old rocket man
            old rocket man 16 February 2012 01: 21
            -2
            desava,
            And what can I say - you can not argue with mathematics
        2. Cripple cross
          Cripple cross 17 February 2012 17: 31
          0
          MURANO I give you a plus sign to disqualify someone minus. especially since I agree with your logic. smile
  3. timhelmet
    timhelmet 15 February 2012 16: 36
    +1
    To upgrade such power is power squared.
    Why not.
    Perspective.
  4. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 15 February 2012 16: 43
    +1
    Our military are heading in the right direction! I am in terms of modernization and extension of service life.
  5. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 15 February 2012 16: 47
    +3
    Well done, now our missile carriers of projects 667BDR and 667 BRDM will receive these missiles and will serve Russia perfectly for several decades ...
  6. Nechai
    Nechai 15 February 2012 17: 00
    +2
    Quote: CrippleCross
    "Sineva" significantly surpasses the "Mace" in power,

    Makeev tried to drive this truth into the heads of Ustinov & K. No, the Americans have created a lot for us too. And work on bone ICBMs, whether sea-based or land-based, to stop. From the direction where the USSR had superiority. And start from scratch, without any safety net. Supporters of solid fuel RNs will say their sympathy is safer. To some extent they will be right. Yes, more "fool-resistant". But how long does it last? And then just recycling. Well, if the launch. Bone bones, besides this, have a different fate.
  7. Dust
    Dust 15 February 2012 17: 04
    -4
    And who is now responsible for the money thrown out?
    1. alex21411
      alex21411 15 February 2012 17: 19
      -1
      Such as you, alarmists * uevy ...
  8. Hedgehog
    Hedgehog 15 February 2012 17: 06
    -1
    Krutotenechka fellow
  9. Desert Fox
    Desert Fox 15 February 2012 17: 12
    +3
    In Russia, in 2011, the flight test program for the new Liner, a strategic sea-launched ballistic missile, was completed, Interfax reports citing a source in the General Staff of the Navy. The tests were considered successful, and in the near future the missile will be adopted by the Navy - along with the modernized R-29RMU2 Sineva, the Liner will be equipped with project 667BDRM Dolphin submarines.


    The Liner has similar flight characteristics with the Sineva ballistic missile of submarines, but differs from it in more advanced systems for overcoming the missile defense system. The new missile is capable of carrying up to 12 combat units of low power or up to four medium-power units. In addition, the Liner is also able to carry combat load from warheads of various capacities. Earlier it was reported that the adoption of the “Liner” into service will extend the existence of the north-western group of submarines 667BDRM until 2025-2030.


    For the first time about the tests of the Liner, it became known on May 20, 2011, but then it was reported that the Russian Navy made a control launch of the Sineva. The missile was launched from the side of the K-84 Yekaterinburg nuclear submarine. Later it became known that the launched rocket was the “Liner”. Some experts expressed the view that the Liner is a deep modernization of the Sineva, which was adopted by the Russian Navy in 2007.


    The length of the R-29RMU2 is about 15 meters, the diameter is 1,9 meters, and the starting weight is more than 40 tons. The missile system allows simultaneous and single missile launches when moving at depths of up to 55 meters and at speeds of up to 7 knots. “Sineva” is capable of carrying from four to eight warheads, and its range is 8,3 thousand kilometers. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, “Sineva” will be in service with the Navy until 2030.
  10. morpex
    morpex 15 February 2012 17: 13
    +17
    Gentlemen, militarists! Forgive me, that was not the topic. I was expecting an article to appear dedicated to the day Soviet troops were withdrawn from Afghanistan, but for some reason there is none. So, let me congratulate all Afghan veterans on the 23 anniversary! Health and long life! Eternal memory to the dead. We in Ukraine celebrate this date. In Russia, how?
    1. Dust
      Dust 15 February 2012 17: 17
      +3
      I was also surprised that no one even remembered about it here ...
      1. ikrut
        ikrut 16 February 2012 13: 34
        -2
        Yeah. And that you and on this subject nasr *** al ... And so - the constipation was formed. Yes?
    2. vel77
      vel77 15 February 2012 17: 41
      +2
      I join in the congratulations.
      1. Dust
        Dust 15 February 2012 18: 15
        +3
        What is there to congratulate? It’s better to remember those who didn’t return ...
    3. estonian
      estonian 15 February 2012 18: 25
      -4
      I don’t agree that a mace is worse than a blue one; it’s stupid to compare the warheads for mnostics.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 16 February 2012 01: 35
        -2
        estonian,
        Well, in principle, you're right, and in particular, you need to remember that all the "stuffing" is in the warhead, which, in the sense of the stuffing, can be crammed into any warhead, the main thing is that it corresponds to the rocket's thrown mass and the larger this mass, the smarter ". may be MS
  11. nokki
    nokki 15 February 2012 17: 25
    +1
    Quote: morpex
    morpex

    Of course, note. And quite broadly. Thanks for the congratulation! Have a nice one you too!
  12. Antibrim
    Antibrim 15 February 2012 17: 26
    -2
    there are a lot of questions on missiles, personally with me. why do we need a mace, in fact, small differences from blue, as they say accuracy is better, but in fact this is not a significant difference, because a blue rocket is an excellent rocket!
    and a question for connoisseurs, is it possible to upgrade a shark to the blue?
    1. Andy
      Andy 15 February 2012 17: 36
      -1
      where did you get the idea that the differences are small? The question is different, why does SO rely on raising the effectiveness of our Navy? I mean boats 667. It seems that we have few missiles, but dofiga of worthless generals / admirals
      1. Antibrim
        Antibrim 15 February 2012 17: 45
        -1
        blue or P39 for Abandoned weight, Power of warheads is better! The mace is smaller in size, but for example it has not gone so far from blue.
        1. Andy
          Andy 15 February 2012 18: 17
          0
          what about overcoming missile defense? We are not all about rockets publish.
    2. PLO
      PLO 15 February 2012 17: 47
      -2
      solid mace, blue bone, so they have their drawbacks and advantages, and what is still better debate

      Is it possible to upgrade the shark under the blue

      you can, of course, it’s not necessary to be an expert here, everything depends on the price and expediency
      1. Antibrim
        Antibrim 15 February 2012 17: 51
        0
        Well, I mean about this, is it advisable. what is possible and no brainer, everything can be done if you want
    3. MURANO
      MURANO 15 February 2012 17: 53
      0
      Quote: AntiBrim
      why do you need a mace

      Everything was complete here. It was necessary to change carriers, BDRMs were not eternal and outdated in many respects. New rockets were needed too. Solid fuel rockets are more reliable, have better characteristics in other respects.
      The development of a new carrier and missile was delayed. BDRMy in the ranks. Naturally R&D continues, and this led to the further development of the R-29.
      We’ll see how the Bulava will be finalized over time .. Sineva did not immediately appear.
      Quote: AntiBrim
      Is it possible to upgrade a shark under the blue?

      Only theoretically. The main reason is rockets that are different in fuel. Sineva has a very developed and complex system of everyday maintenance.
  13. Nechai
    Nechai 15 February 2012 17: 35
    -1
    Quote: Dust
    I was also surprised that no one even remembered about it here ...

    Well, why not who? In the afternoon. Not on all topics. In place.
  14. grizzlir
    grizzlir 15 February 2012 18: 31
    -1
    Guys, I’m completely confused. I’ll say right away that I’m not special, I’m sitting here reading information about Mace and Sineva, and the conclusion is that the advantage of the first over the second is that it is solid fuel and needs less maintenance.
    Russia has taken a course towards the creation of solid-propellant sea ballistic missiles in the future, "the agency's interlocutor said.
    At the same time, he said, fuel missiles are still needed by the Navy.
    "Our strategically submarine missile carriers of Project 667 BDRM, whose combat service continues, are armed with Sineva fuel-fired missiles, and their further perfection, in particular, on the Liner theme, will allow these submarines to remain in the fleet's combat composition for many more years, until complete rearmament on the latest submarines of the Borey class (project 955), - explained the representative of the defense department.

    According to the Makeyev SRC, the Liner rocket surpasses all modern solid-fuel strategic missiles of Great Britain, China, Russia, the United States and France in terms of energy and mass perfection, and in terms of combat equipment (four blocks of the middle power class) it is not inferior to the four-block (in the conditions of START-3 ) American "Trident-2".
    The Liner missile can carry 1,5-2 times more warheads of small power class than the Bulava missile.

    Considering the fact that Sineva both in terms of range of application and in mass of combat load exceeds the Bulava. Conclusion, they try to adopt it because they already build boats for it.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 15 February 2012 23: 16
      +2
      "BULAVA" is essentially the same "TOPOL" adapted for launches from SSBNs, if you do not go into details precisely in adaptation with nuclear submarines, and all the problems with testing were. Initially, this is a GROUND missile.
      "SINEVA" is a "native" BR for third-generation submarines is a modification of the R-29RM (RSM-54) complex, which was put into service in 1986, so it is incorrect to compare them like a lion with a crocodile
      "
  15. Owl
    Owl 15 February 2012 18: 33
    0
    Now the main strategic nuclear forces of the fleet are deployed on boats of Project 667 BDR and BDRM, new boats arrive in scanty quantities, with a gigantic delay, with missiles losing in all characteristics to the missiles of the "probable ally". Of course, to maintain the balance of power, it is necessary to modernize and equip the existing boats with missiles from the Makeev Design Bureau.
  16. Andy
    Andy 15 February 2012 18: 45
    -2
    what the hell? and here all the cons.
  17. Neighbor
    Neighbor 15 February 2012 20: 36
    -1
    Yes!!!!! Sineva is going to the Chelyabinsk region !!! Developed in Chelyabinsk - SUSU - Department of Ballistic Missiles !!!!!
  18. Tenok
    Tenok 15 February 2012 21: 08
    +1
    It’s NOT GOOD to go over to the personality !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  19. General
    General 15 February 2012 22: 39
    -2
    the good news is that all old techniques need to be modernized, but what is not profitable is better to sell to African countries there is a lot of demand
  20. djsa1
    djsa1 15 February 2012 23: 26
    -1
    At least someone spoke on the topic, happy)Neighbor,
  21. Regularis
    Regularis 16 February 2012 01: 45
    -6
    The doctor in the cap of all the reptiles collected all the biz of a schizophrenic!
    good good good
    And lists are not needed
  22. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 16 February 2012 02: 34
    +1
    Gentlemen, explain how you like a novice or a fool, if at the moment many samples of Russian military equipment do not meet modern requirements, then what is patriotism to shout all over the world what is our best and go all in or draw conclusions from this and try to correct the situation
  23. VadimSt
    VadimSt 17 February 2012 06: 17
    0
    And let this "Liner" become a guarantee to serve "zealous passengers" in the first class. Maybe their force will diminish.