BTR "Eitan" project news (Israel)

The Israeli defense industry, in cooperation with the military, continues to work on one of the most interesting projects of recent times. For the first time presented last year, the wheeled armored personnel carrier “Eitan” has so far not only managed to go to the test, but has already coped with one of the first stages of inspections. About this a few days ago, the Israeli Ministry of Defense reported.

9 April Israeli media published news about the latest industry achievements in the framework of the Eitan project. With reference to the Office of Development tank "Merkava" (MANTAK) the press wrote about the completion of some checks. Just a few days ago, a series of field trials ended, during which experts checked the driving performance of promising equipment in difficult terrain and difficult landscapes typical of Israel. The Ministry of Defense published some information about such work, and also provided the media with a short video showing certain stages of the tests.

According to previously published data, testing of vehicles at various routes and test sites started at the end of August last year. For several months, experienced "Eytan" checked by industry experts and representatives of the military. By the end of the 2016 of the year, servicemen of combat units joined the running tests. A few months ago, soldiers and officers of the Nahal 933 Infantry Brigade were brought to a new test. On the basis of this compound and with the direct participation of its personnel, new tests of the armored personnel carrier were carried out.

As previously reported, the 933 Brigade will accompany the Eitan project in the foreseeable future. With its help, it is planned to carry out all subsequent inspections necessary to determine the actual capabilities of the equipment and its subsequent adoption. Moreover, it is this compound that will receive the first serial equipment of the new type. A similar approach to testing and rearmament has already been applied by Israel and, in general, has justified itself.

Over the past few months, a new type of experienced vehicle has participated in field trials, the purpose of which was to establish the actual characteristics of an armored personnel carrier, as well as to identify and eliminate certain shortcomings. As follows from official reports, the Eitan armored personnel carrier was tested on all major landscapes of the country. Armored vehicles were tested at various ranges of the Israel Defense Forces, including in the Negev Desert, the Jordan Valley and the Golan Heights. In addition, inspections were carried out in urban areas. In addition to testing, an experienced technician took part in several company and battalion exercises.

Further plans MANTAK and the Ministry of Defense are only partially announced. In the near future, the experimental equipment will once again be put to the test, within the framework of which the complex of weapons, protection systems, etc. will be tested. Only after that the armored personnel carrier will be able to count on adoption. The deadlines for the completion of such works, for obvious reasons, have not yet been specified.

The Eitan project is being developed as part of a larger program, Ground Horizon, whose goal is to create several promising armored fighting vehicles. The task of new armored personnel carriers in the future will be the replacement of obsolete vehicles. The latest armed conflicts have shown that the American-made M113 armored personnel carriers in Israel are outdated and do not meet modern requirements. Taking into account the existing problems and challenges, the Ministry of Defense decided to replace outdated armored vehicles with new models. To this end, it was decided to increase purchases of heavy BTR "Namer", as well as to develop a completely new model, now known as "Eitan".

According to known data, the development of the project "Eitan" was completed no later than 2015. In the autumn of the same year, the first prototype was built at an Israeli company. At the same time, as follows from some data, it was not a full-fledged prototype, but only a running model, devoid of some of the most important systems, including weapons. Later new models were built, which differ from the first prototype in one way or another. This technique was intended for use in future trials.

In early August last year, the Israeli Ministry of Defense published quite detailed information about the new project. In addition, the press release of the military department was attached a few photos of the first prototype and a video of the running tests at the sites. In the official report, various features of the new car were mentioned, as well as those or other characteristic features, capabilities, etc.

Just a few weeks after the publication of official information, at the end of August last year, an experienced technician set off for the testing ground. The performance of the BTR Eitan was determined at various test sites, which made it possible to establish characteristics both in the city or on the highway and off-road. From a certain point, such checks were carried out with the direct participation of army personnel.

A new armored personnel carrier is being developed to replace outdated vehicles that no longer meet the requirements of the times. To solve the new tasks related to the protection of soldiers from various threats, it was decided to use both their own developments and foreign experience. As a result, the armored "Eitan" has a significant similarity with modern wheeled armored personnel carriers created in other countries.

The most interesting feature of the “Eitan” project is the use of a wheeled chassis that was not previously used in Israeli military equipment projects of a similar purpose. As reported by officials, this undercarriage was chosen for reasons of economy. Firstly, the wheeled armored vehicle will be noticeably cheaper than the caterpillar in production, and secondly, it will be able to be transferred to a given area under its own power along existing roads. Tracked armored vehicles in such cases have to be transported on tank trailers, which leads to additional costs.

In the presented form, the BTR "Eitan" is a four-axle wheeled armored vehicle with advanced protection, which includes active and passive means. The machine will be able to transport the small office and destroy various targets with the help of different types of barreled weapons. In general, the overall appearance of the Eitan armored personnel carrier was formed in full accordance with current trends in this area.

One of the main complaints about the outdated M113 family of BTRs was the lack of protection. In this regard, the new "Eitan" gets an armored corps with enhanced characteristics of ballistic and mine protection. The exact characteristics of the hull are not reported, but according to representatives of the Israeli Defense Ministry, "Eitan" will be the most protected wheeled vehicle. To further increase survivability in a combat situation, it was proposed to use all existing methods of protection. An existing body with its own armor must carry mounted additional protection modules. Provides for the use of a V-shaped bottom, diverting the shock wave to the side. In addition, the project proposes the use of active protection complex Trophy. Also, another “unique system” of protection should be included in the onboard equipment, but no information about it has yet been published.

Protected body armored "Eitan" is built on the layout corresponding to the current trends in this area. The front compartment of the hull, which is protected by frontal armor, accommodates the control compartment (at the left side) and the right power compartment in which the engine and part of the transmission units are placed. The entire crew is located in front of the habitable compartment. All other volumes are given for the placement of troops. According to official data, the crew consisting of three people: driver, commander and gunner-operator should manage the armored personnel carrier. Aft troop compartment holds nine fighters. The equipment and ergonomics of the habitable compartment are determined in accordance with the developments of the “Timer” project.

To facilitate driving and improve performance, the armored vehicle receives a set of special equipment. A set of video cameras is installed along the perimeter of the case, providing a circular view. To output the video signal and other information at the crew’s workplaces, touch screens are installed to complement other consoles. Communication and control systems are used, allowing a multitude of crews to work in a single information space, receive all the necessary information in a timely manner, and also transmit this or that information. The comfort of the crew and the landing is provided by the traditional for modern Israeli combat vehicles air conditioning.

Landing and disembarking should be carried out with the help of several hatches in the roof and a stern ramp. Hatches are located in the front of the hull and are intended for use by the crew. The paratroopers are invited to get into the car and dismount through the aft hatch, covered with a lowered ramp. When exiting the landing compartment, large box-shaped armored units cover the side of the fighters.

The mobility of the machine is provided by a hp 750 diesel engine. Wheeled chassis received an individual suspension using vertical springs. According to official data, the Eitan armored personnel carrier is capable of speeding up to 90 km / h on the highway. According to the latest reports, during tests on rough terrain, the speed of 50 km / h was obtained. It was especially noted that during tests and exercises, the maximum speed on the roads was limited for safety reasons. Thus, even in difficult conditions, the armored vehicle has a certain margin in speed. The combat mass of the armored personnel carrier, depending on the configuration not exceeding the 35 t, contributed to the achievement of sufficiently high speeds to a certain extent.

The project "Eitan" involves the use of remotely controlled combat modules, fully installed outside the armor corps. The existing equipment on the roof carries a combat module "Katlanit", armed with machine guns of large and rifle caliber. All these weapons are controlled from the console at the operator’s workplace. Machine guns and ammunition boxes are placed outside the protected compartment and do not take away the useful volume. In the foreseeable future, new weapons systems should appear. Thus, it was already announced the creation of a combat module with an automatic cannon caliber 30 mm and a coaxial machine gun. Such a complex of weapons should be tested in 2017 year.

Information about the possible use of combat modules with barreled and rocket weapons is not yet available. BTR "Eitan" has, at a minimum, the theoretical possibility of equipping such products, but their use has not yet been confirmed and not refuted by official sources. It is possible that as the project continues to develop, the armored personnel carrier will receive new remotely controlled combat modules, including those with guided missiles.

Earlier it was reported that during the sea trials at various Israeli landfills, it was possible to identify some of the design and on-board equipment deficiencies. Immediately started work to address these problems, which allows us to bring the terms of adoption of the equipment into service.

The question of future purchases of serial equipment is already being resolved. After completing all the necessary tests and refinements, the Eitan armored personnel carrier will be recommended for use, after which a corresponding contract will appear. The quantitative aspects of future deliveries are not yet known. Currently, the new BTR is positioned as a replacement for the outdated M113. It is known that the Israel Defense Forces are now armed with about five hundred old American-made armored personnel carriers. Announced plans suggest that over the next few years ground forces will receive up to 500 wheeled "Eitan" and tracked "interov", with which they will be able to completely abandon the long-obsolete technology.

The development of the project "Eitan" began several years ago, and by now a promising combat armored vehicle had reached the ground tests. A few days ago, field tests were completed, conducted on various routes of landfills and on a variety of landscapes. Apparently, in the near future, new checks of equipment can pass, which will open the way for her troops. The exact dates for the start of serial construction and supply of armored vehicles to the army have not yet been specified, but there is every reason to believe that these events will occur in the next few years.


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Comments

[Professor]

So, it was already announced the creation of a combat module with an automatic gun of 30 mm caliber and a coaxial machine gun. Such an armament complex should be tested in 2017.

1. Why reinvent the wheel when it is already invented?
2. I hope they don’t put anything more powerful on Eitan. This is a technique of support, not a breakthrough.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: professor

So, it was already announced the creation of a combat module with an automatic gun of 30 mm caliber and a coaxial machine gun. Such an armament complex should be tested in 2017.

1. Why reinvent the wheel when it is already invented?
2. I hope they don’t put anything more powerful on Eitan. This is a technique of support, not a breakthrough.

I completely disagree. The need to install a DUM with 30mm and ATGM systems on Eitan is suggested by the logic of reducing the tank fleet and the ability of these vehicles to go into a deep breakthrough. No tank is chasing after infantry on the Eitan.

[Professor]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

I completely disagree. The need to install a DUM with 30mm and ATGM systems on Eitan is suggested by the logic of reducing the tank fleet and the ability of these vehicles to go into a deep breakthrough. No tank is chasing after infantry on the Eitan.

I rest my case!

This is precisely the danger that some will decide on light armored personnel carriers to solve the tasks prescribed for tanks. On that day, Ktsin Hir knock on the door of many parents. God forbid.
With Namer, we had the mind not to cling to a "super-duper" module, but to confine ourselves to a large-caliber machine gun.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: professor

This is precisely the danger that some will decide on light armored personnel carriers to solve the tasks prescribed for tanks.

And it’s better not to give weapons to the fighters at all, otherwise suddenly they will shoot themselves in the leg by accident.

Quote: professor

With Namer, we had the mind not to cling to a "super-duper" module, but to confine ourselves to a large-caliber machine gun.

Super module is not necessary, adequate enough. On the TBTR, this is a complex of 7,62 mm machine gun, 30-45 mm guns and ATGMs or a complex of the Bahcha-U type, only there should be a separate module removed from the inhabited compartment.

[avdkrd]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Super module is not necessary, adequate enough. On the TBTR, this is a complex of 7,62 mm machine gun, 30-45 mm guns and ATGMs or a complex of the Bahcha-U type, only there should be a separate module removed from the inhabited compartment.

I completely agree with this point of view. It is not acceptable for Russia to equal the terms of reference developed in Israel or any other country. We do not just have a different theater of operations, but, on the whole, the army is imprisoned for different tactics. The armament of the BMP-BTR should correspond to the tasks assigned to the equipment. The absence of cannon armament on an infantry fighting vehicle or armored personnel carrier makes it necessary to create and put into service specialized fire support vehicles. Even with the BTR-82 as an example, one can see how much the squad is strengthening both in defense and offensive. The same namer in defense is absolutely not an assistant, at least from 82 with a 30mm cannon buried in caponier will be much more useless. Specialized fire support machines are also needed, but it is economically more profitable to use them for amplification. The thesis that the armored personnel carrier is just a taxi for the infantry was invented by those who have never been in this infantry. Israel can afford a dozen tanks to cover one armored personnel carrier without armament and when planning operations against Israel, Hezbola can provide multiple fire superiority, but what will be the effectiveness of this approach with a front line of contact like in 2MB? Yes, even with an equal opponent?

[svp67]

Quote: avdkrd

It is not acceptable for Russia to equal the terms of reference developed in Israel or any other country.

Our open spaces do not give us this ... So, that each has its own peculiarity.

[For your motherland, your mother))]

So tanks have a future, since there are "tasks assigned to tanks"))).

[Lex.]

Who will decide which army will decide?
there is an army in the Middle East that wants a war with Israel and will move the tank hordes, just 30 mm dist installation is not enough and a couple of anti-tank missiles may appear in the future

[david_aaron]

begs the logic of reducing the tank fleet and the ability of these vehicles to go into a deep breakthrough

on armored personnel carrier? in deep separation ??? Do you have a bullet wound to the head or something? read at least the Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation !!!
pysy — these victims of the ege and the Western model of “abruzation” got their hopeless stupidity ....

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: david_aaron

begs the logic of reducing the tank fleet and the ability of these vehicles to go into a deep breakthrough

on armored personnel carrier? in deep separation ??? Do you have a bullet wound to the head or something? read at least the Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation !!!
...

Why do I need someone else's charter?

[would]

pysy - these victims of the ege and the Western model of "abruzation" got their hopeless stupidity ...

Here I agree! Victims of the exam can no longer even see the flag of the state of the interlocutor (which is also very noticeable to me personally), read the nickname and add 2 + 2 to find out that the interlocutor is from another country where

1. The Russian exam does not give up.
2. The Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and, like many documents and laws of the Russian Federation, have no effect.

[Lostcoast]

Trophy on an armored personnel carrier is strong. No one has wheel equipment with the kaz yet. In principle, 30X173mm guns for the eyes ...

[david_aaron]

... and if you even weld folding wings, you can save money on aviation!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: professor

I hope they don’t put anything more powerful on Eitan. This is a technique of support, not a breakthrough.

In principle, you can put something like Bahchi-U. But you don’t have one yet.

[Professor]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

In principle, you can put something like Bahchi-U. But you don’t have one yet.

Again. Glory to Gd was not delivered from what is already there. And itchy hands.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: professor

Again. Glory to Gd was not delivered from what is already there. And itchy hands.

In principle, your car, you decide. But for me, artificially, guided to put it mildly by strange considerations, to deprive a vehicle of combat capabilities is stupid.

[yehat]

you all walk in a circle of vicious logic, like a donkey in the circus ring.
set-not set. For a long time, everything has come to the point that such machines will be modular
with the most simplified ability to change the configuration.
And it is configured for a specific task, where it is decided what will be more effective.
In Russia, already in my memory, there were 3 major projects on this topic.
ps praise Namer because it’s essentially heavy, no, a VERY heavy tank carries an incomplete compartment and is disarmed to the point that 1 machine gun remains - this is insanity.
From a military point of view, this only gives a psychological effect, because such armor will always be scarce. Against the Gaza Strip may be enough, but no more.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: yehat

ps. to praise Namer for being essentially heavy, no, a VERY heavy tank carries an incomplete compartment and is disarmed to the point that 1 machine gun remains - this is insanity.
From a military point of view, this only gives a psychological effect, because such armor will always be scarce. Against the Gaza Strip may be enough, but no more.

"Intent" is intended only for action along with tanks. Its main purpose is to transport infantry as close to the landing site as possible. Then a stabilized 14.5 machine gun is a formidable weapon against infantry.

[yehat]

maybe tell me why a conventional BMP hung with all sorts of rubbish is not good,
why do you need heavy intent? What is the point of it in general, if he carries a small group, isn’t it easier to use a couple of mercenaries with passengers?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: yehat

maybe tell me why a conventional BMP hung with all sorts of rubbish is not good,
why do you need heavy intent? What is the point of it in general, if he carries a small group, isn’t it easier to use a couple of mercenaries with passengers?

Security. It was emphasized. Then “Namer” is TBTR, not TBMP. And why a little? Full office plus a ton of property.

[yehat]

I think not a small part of the property can be carried in this style
and you don’t need to create a tbtr for this

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: yehat

I think not a small part of the property can be carried in this style
and you don’t need to create a tbtr for this

And how many infantry in full SIBZ can I place here?

[yehat]

You were not talking about infantry, but about transported property

[evgesha]

do you know, for starters, how much does a “regular bmp” cost and how much will a stuffed nanobrone quasicapsular prodigy cost! it's just a gesheft!

[voyaka uh]

"isn’t it easier to use a couple of mercenaries with passengers?" ////

In Merkava-4 3 soldiers are placed, no more, in the passage between the shelves with shells. Once, when there were smaller projectiles 105 mm, you can
it was, stuffing like peas, plant a branch.
If you remove part of the shelving, a place appears. But the tank will have small ammunition.

[For your motherland, your mother))]

I agree, let the tank have less b / c, but the country will have more people alive. The life of a soldier is the highest value.

[Octopus]

Quote: professor

Glory to Gd was not set from what is already there

Incidentally, I also do not understand this idea. Perhaps he was stuck in World War II, but it seems to me that the gun, which is - it is always better than the gun, which is not, under any other conditions. In relation to the armored personnel carrier, I really like Finnish ideas with mortars.
And excuses, "Then they will go Berlin Cairo to take and be killed about the Abrams “- it seems to me somehow foolish.

[voyaka uh]

"Professor" is right in this matter. Vehicle transporting infantry must not communicate with tanks. The otvetka of the tank is 12 corpses. These are unacceptable losses.
Either carry infantry, or butt tanks. In the IDF doctrine, only tanks fight
tanks and specialized ATGM teams.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: voyaka uh

Vehicle transporting infantry must not contact tanks

This is just understandable. The idea is clear that deep cavalry raids on armored personnel carriers are an occupation.
The idea is not clear "if you put a 30mm gun on an armored personnel carrier, the father-commander immediately imagines himself Rotmistrov and trample on Abramsy / T-72, like on the Panther." Of course, the Jews know better, but from the outside it is not clear where such a low opinion of the IDF generals / officers comes from.
But with infantry protection, it seems that a cannon behind its back, capable of quickly demolishing a building, is better than its absence (if it does not radically affect other parameters of the machine). Now there are fairly lightweight systems of large calibers.

[voyaka uh]

30-mm gun - quite adequate weapons. Although a pair of Colt-0.5 on two independent turrets with dist. control allows you to "deal" with most threats (except tanks).
"Position mismatch" occurs when ATGMs are installed on APCs.
Here they forget that "people are being driven", and not with "elephants butting."

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: voyaka uh

BTR set ATGMs.

It depends on what is considered an ATGM. If NLOS is a very versatile thing, it can be damn useful.
Again. The professor, it seems to me, hypothesizes that the size in centimeters is inversely related to the number of brains. I mean, centimeters in caliber and brains in commander. I'm still not sure about this.

[voyaka uh]

Unfortunately, there is such a thing as "the excitement of battle." Younger officers, commanders in excitement "pulls on feats" (faced with this in his soldier's career) There is nothing more stupid and useless than with inadequate means to attack the enemy. The right tactic says: until you create an overwhelming fire advantage - do not go ahead.
And such under-tanks with guns and ATGMs do not create firepower, but the illusion of firepower.

[Cherry Nine]

Everything seems to be a little more complicated.
Let us leave aside the M1128 MGS, which with this approach will become a crime against a white (and black) person. Let's look at the discussed object.
It differs sharply in reservation from the tank.
It differs sharply in mobility (of all types) from the tank.
It involves transportation on its own, and not on trailers.
Working hypothesis - it is not intended for joint operations with tanks.
Consequently, where the tanks will work (and above all in tank-hazardous areas), the device has nothing to do, and where it will cut through the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater, the tanks are not the fact that they will appear at all (first of all, their tanks). Consequently, infantry will have fire support in this scenario only from grenade launchers and aircraft.
Is that right? Is it really more reliable to rely on grenade throwers and the same NLOSs, but in the hands of the infantrymen, than to bawl this NLOS or something 100+ mm out of the car? Even for ammunition reasons?

And as for protection - tanks are not tanks, but such a device more or less provides protection from RPG-7 and IEDs. And the last time the IDF tanks threatened when? In 1982, it seems?

[voyaka uh]

Maybe you are right. Tactics are changing. When I was in the army, the IDF had good old English tactics: infantry in front, 50 meters behind
crawling tanks, supporting fire. Sometimes they move forward - they kill the firing point and again from behind. BMP in the IDF has never been, armored personnel carriers in the battle did not participate - only transportation.

[Cherry Nine]

On the other hand, maybe we (C AOI) and not are right. Mentioned strikers were sharpened for air transport, which in Israel is not needed for nothing - everything is nearby. With this option, "such a chassis was chosen for reasons of economy" - criminal malice, and the intent or the new BTR-variant of the four - that’s it.
In general, everything is complicated

[yehat]

30 mm gun - quite adequate weapons

one caliber is quite difficult to express what is worth
Now a lot of details are important. The same heavy machine gun on the NAMER is more adequate than the 76mm BMP-1 gun, although the caliber is clearly smaller because a lot of other things are taken into account.

[Victor Wolz]

73mm gun, 76mm rifled gun in PT-76 and it is better than smoothbore 73.

[evgesha]

In the IDF doctrine, only tanks fight
tanks and specialized ATGM teams.

that's why david_aaron is right - Jews are not warriors, not warriors!
soon the tzahalsa will be capricious if they don’t bring ice cream to them and wet wipes

[yehat]

Means transporting infantry ... ATGM groups

and on what do these groups of collaborators transport funds?

[For your motherland, your mother))]

Everyone has their own vision, but I’m sure that any armored crap should be able to really bring people into battle and take people out of battle. And how this crap is classified does not interest me, it should not be a coffin for me, but should pull me out of any city on.
Shouldn't mess with tanks? Yeah))), But it’s not according to the technical passport, but according to the face. As for me - it should have both armor and the ability to butt and drag people from the fire as a whole, it’s possible not 12, but at least 5-6. Will it be expensive? If the state and the nation have no opportunity to provide a soldier, then the state will not have a soldier left, and the state will end.

[Lex.]

What kind of doctrine can Israel fight in greenhouse conditions? The last major war was in 73 when the Palestinians and Hezbola have no tanks. These are partisans.

[haron]

But the Palestinians have RPGs and legs, they do not need nafig tanks.

[evgesha]

In principle, you can put something like Bahchi-U. But you don’t have one yet.

that's very good. as they say, the god didn’t give horns to a vigorous cow.

[evgesha]

is this a technique? Are you seriously?

[Kostya Andreev]

In all countries, the new APCs are like eggs in a store, and the best in the world!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Finally, the Jewish comrades realized that putting one machine gun on the TBTR was somewhat wrong.

[david_aaron]

most likely someone told them!

[david_aaron]

The Israeli defense industry, in collaboration with the military, is continuing to work on one of the most interesting projects of recent times.

Come on!? coffin on wheels "the most interesting project" ??? do not tell my horseshoes !!!

difficult terrain and difficult landscapes typical of Israel

Well, of course, deserts and semi-deserts are nowhere else in the world!

a new type of experimental equipment took part in sea trials, the purpose of which was to establish the real characteristics of the armored personnel carrier, as well as to identify and eliminate certain shortcomings

and below in the same place:

during tests and exercises, off-road maximum speed was limited for safety reasons

the rest is just the masterpieces of the Jewish "military thought" -

Landing and disembarkation should be carried out using several hatches in the roof and aft ramp.

The protected body of the Eitan armored personnel carrier is built according to the layout corresponding to current trends in this area. The front compartment of the housing, which is protected by the frontal armor, accommodates the control compartment (at the port side) and the right power compartment, which houses the engine and part of the transmission units. The entire crew is located in front of the habitable compartment.

Well, Jews do not know how to create both weapons systems and means of support! Well, not given to them !!! buy-sell is undoubtedly theirs, cranking up a scam is also theirs. Well, invent something unnecessary - not a question! to seize someone else’s territory - no problem! to hide behind someone else's mattress back - by itself! but the Jews in arms are full of zeros, absolute. all the weapons they use to put it mildly - "borrowed." to create a coffin on wheels, screaming that this is a prodigy - probably purely for sale is provided. because even the KPVT will surely sew it through, not to mention the GSH-30. straight vertical sides - even in WWII, this crazy idea was abandoned. I wish you success, Jews and the "creation" of weapons!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: david_aaron

straight vertical sides - even in WWII, this crazy idea was abandoned. I wish you success, Jews and the "creation" of weapons!

Well, firstly, thanks for the wish, and secondly, why do you slander Russian engineering?

[david_aaron]

you learn to follow the bazaar in the first place, and secondly - did I ask you something about Russian technology? and learn to distinguish a bulwark ignoramus. where so many come from in Israel?

[Kostya Andreev]

Do you have a spring exacerbation?
Well, Jews do not know how to create both weapons systems and means of support thanks neighing, the Jews did and are making a good weapon! for example, designer Nudelman, Lavochkin is an excursion from the history of the USSR. and now there is a merkava, a spike of the guidance system and so on.
straight vertical sides - even in WWII this crazy idea was abandoned if I understood and translated correctly, the phrase made my day !!!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: david_aaron

you learn to follow the bazaar in the first place, and secondly - did I ask you something about Russian technology? and learn to distinguish a bulwark ignoramus. where so many come from in Israel?

You watch your bazaar. But I still asked you whether or not me. I wanted and wrote. By the way, if this is a bulwark, then maybe you will show us what is behind the bulwark.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: david_aaron

But I still asked you whether or not me.

then pnh

Mutually.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: david_aaron

you learn to follow the bazaar in the first place, and secondly - did I ask you something about Russian technology? and learn to distinguish a bulwark ignoramus. where so many come from in Israel?

lousy speech at you.

[evgesha]

do you think your speech is exquisite?

[Razvedka_Boem]

you learn to follow the bazaar in the first place, and secondly - did I ask you something about Russian technology? and learn to distinguish a bulwark ignoramus. where so many come from in Israel?

If you think that your comments trolling guys from Israel will plus, you are mistaken. Although, however, a couple of similar to you will be found.

[Zaurbek]

For light btr- oblique sides or straight .... they will still pierce.

[yehat]

straight vertical sides

vertical sides are the result of a clear understanding of what to protect from.
this machine is not designed to withstand cannon fire on board,
anti-tank weapons will pierce any side, as you do not tilt it.
The tilt is effective with a low silhouette, and the car has a reverse goal - to raise to mine
were not effective. Therefore, straight sides are a normal solution.
I'm worried about something else - why the boomerang wasn’t truly modular,
to change just a tower and more, and not just the elements of armor.

[david_aaron]

anti-tank weapons will pierce any side, as you do not tilt it.

right. only with a projectile angle (12,7; 14,5) equal to 90 degrees with the aim of breaking through is guaranteed. Well, if only the armor plate is from 30 mm, but there are more energetically saturated systems - 57 mm, for example

[yehat]

I repeat, armor is not from guns. 14.5mm machine gun - it's almost a gun
besides, the danger from land mines is much higher than from shelling at close range with a heavy machine gun. In the forehead, such machines are usually protected not bad enough

[david_aaron]

I repeat, armor is not from guns

well, 12,7 isn't a cannon, is it? and the smaller the angle of the projectile with the target, the lower the penetration, right? The main objective of the armored personnel carrier is the quick delivery of manpower to the clash site and evacuation. the Jewish machine is more of a police function. so it’s necessary to write about it! against unarmed Arabs the most nishtyak! as an army version of the full atstoy. and then about the mine action - how long will it last? 2 kg? 3? and there’s, thank God, anti-aircraft mines. just as if against these shaitan-arba

[yehat]

such machines are effective against guerrilla warfare, where people take advantage of what is easy to carry away - shooting and all kinds of mines, light grenade launchers.
it’s not for an epic battlefield where turret cannon tanks and stuff.
In general, to work in the rear.

[karabas-barabas]

the Jewish machine is more of a police function. so it’s necessary to write about it! against unarmed Arabs the most nishtyak! as an army version of the full atstoy.

Greater sediment than the BTR-82? Why is this Israeli armored personnel carrier more for police functions than army, where it is supposedly "full atstoy"? Something I do not see logic.

and then about the mine action - how long will it last? 2 kg? 3? and there’s, thank God, anti-aircraft mines. just as if against these shaitan-arba

Modern MDIs can withstand up to 6-8 kg, I think this machine is at least 8 kg. will keep. Unlike the BTR-82, which literally 200g is enough to tear the belly.

[evgesha]

the lack of a military education (even within the framework of kmb) allows you to identify a rimba-on-couch, TM57 (although there is 9kg of explosives there) will tear off all the wheels of this miraculous waffle, and even the immobilized Jewish coffin on wheels (or rather without them) is a target for a kindergartener. and now name at least 3 confirmed facts that 200 g of the "torn belly" of the BTR-82. I understand that you didn’t go through this at school, ask dad to search the Internet for you

[karabas-barabas]

Unlike you, I not only passed, but I personally know the survivors of the Taliban landmines. They survived thanks to the fact that they were in modern machines, designed for undermining. Tell you about the Taliban landmines of the last Afghan war and their approximate value? 200 g. TNT is a lot for a machine without a mine system, like the BTR-80.

[yehat]

more sucks by army standards, because a company with equipment can be planted on BTR-82 with the same money, and 6-8 people will come to NAME. That is the difference.

[Lex.]

Well, I’m more likely to survive

[yehat]

understand a simple thing - not everyone will get the intention. not everyone
if it’s rough, then 6-8 will be in intention and 100 outside, and if you take an armored personnel carrier, then for the same money 60-80 will be in armored personnel carrier and 20 outside.
so btr is better

[Lex.]

Well, an anti-personnel mine must withstand 200 g of a passenger car and it will tear apart a belly if only inside
the tiger experienced 5 TNT and you are here about 200 grams

[karabas-barabas]

And breaking the belly to the iron machine is enough for the guys inside to suffer. If I manage to try to find a photo, or a video screen, of an undermined BTR-80 in the gorge, then only at a glance the wine is what happened. All the wheels are in place, but in the middle, something is torn, inside the 200s. 200g TNT is a lot for a machine without anti-mine protection, and the BTR-80, unlike the Tiger, was not designed with protection against IEDs and mines.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: professor

With Namer, we had the mind not to cling to a "super-duper" module, but to confine ourselves to a large-caliber machine gun.

Well, 35 tons is not such an easy technique. Then the "Namer" always goes along with the tanks, but their speed in the conditions of hostilities is up to 35 km, and in the case of a "clean breakthrough" Eitan can go at a speed of up to 70 km. And of course, to put a cannon tower on it with an ATGM is necessary. We put the Lithuanians on the Vohera.

[Professor]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, 35 tons is not such an easy technique.

Everything is relative.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Then the “Namer” always goes along with the tanks, but their speed in the conditions of combat fishing is up to 3 km, and in the case of a “clean break”, “Eitan” can leave at a speed of up to 70 km.

Where to go? Over the front line to the next ambush of their children? Why do we need another Sultav-Yakub?

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And to put a cannon tower on it is necessary. We put the Lithuanians on the Vohera.

Lithuanians (with all due respect) are no example to us. They themselves will never fight, and no one else will ever fight for us. On the Lithuanian papelats, it’s the most that the Philistines drive in Shomron. But there are enough armored jeeps. You can’t even get into Gaza on them. Is that in the second order after Merkav and Namerov.
Imagine how Ethans in a column of six or four at 90 km / h fly north. On the march, more Arabs will die than in battles. Especially on the 70th in Kfar Yasif.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: professor

Lithuanians (with all due respect) are no example to us. They themselves will never fight, and no one else will ever fight for us. On the Lithuanian papelats, it’s the most that the Philistines drive in Shomron. But there are enough armored jeeps. You can’t even get into Gaza on them. Is that in the second order after Merkav and Namerov.
Imagine how Ethans in a column of six or four at 90 km / h fly north. On the march, more Arabs will die than in battles. Especially on the 70th in Kfar Yasif.

Firstly, it’s not at all a fact. Lithuanians do not let Gd have to take the first blow on themselves. Secondly, even with a joint NATO operation, no one will fight for them. Get your piece of work and drag.
Sultan Yakub is a failure of intelligence. With such a failure, the Quartet will not save.
And Eitan is not created for Gaza or YOSH for sure. There he is completely redundant. It came to understand that the army needed "light" brigades.

[Professor]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Firstly, it’s not at all a fact. Lithuanians do not let Gd have to take the first blow on themselves. Secondly, even with a joint NATO operation, no one will fight for them. Get your piece of work and drag.

Fact. With all due respect, the Lithuanian army will last about 3 hours. NATO will fight beyond its borders already outside Lithuania.

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And Eitan is not created for Gaza or YOSH for sure. There he is completely redundant. It came to understand that the army needed "light" brigades.

Well, and explain to me why this papelats to us?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: professor

Well, and explain to me why this papelats to us?

Threats are changing, our answers to them are changing.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: professor

Well, and explain to me why this papelats to us?

For a throw to the Euphrates.

[david_aaron]

Well, and explain to me why this papelats to us?

you - not for what. but for those who still have a pair of shekels, it’s very good. just to do it ... but, all the more for their own very strange decision. the impression that someone seems that the Jews became too much?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Lithuanians do not let Gd have to take the first blow on themselves.

Bloody Tyrant Putin decides to join a small democratic Lithuania to the Empire?

[david_aaron]

no one joins anywhere, just some need to work out Shabakov’s bones, so they try, they lick mattress boots!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: professor

Again. Glory to Gd was not delivered from what is already there. And itchy hands.

It’s just glory to Gd that mobile infantry will receive TBTP, but TBMP. You cannot live wars of the 40th prescription. Moreover, in 2000 we had 32 TBR, and by 2028 only 14 will remain.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Moreover, in 2000 we had 32 TBR, and by 2028 only 14 will remain.

Even without taking this into account, it is still the right decision. The weapons installed on the TBTR can support the fighters here and now without a time lag, and this can be a matter of life and death.

[yehat]

Israel has a very specific theater of operations - often the situation is such that there is no maneuver and no retreat,
often there is no normal camouflage, again, battles in urban conditions are very likely, surrounded by 1-3 story buildings. At the same time, there is always the task of police operations and minimizing losses. I don’t even dare to evaluate what is effective there, because European military experience will not help much. For example, high-performance mobile artillery systems, popular in Europe, do not somehow channel in Israel. Again, there is no need to force the rivers, atmospheric conditions and terrain are such that observation and reconnaissance, including from the air, are very effective, it is often possible to fire from afar

[david_aaron]

Israel has a very specific theater of operations

if Israel wouldn’t go anywhere where the dog doesn’t stick its tail, then there would be no Izril theater. and so - a plug in every barrel, that’s what it takes for cabbage soup, spending tens of thousands of dollars for every Arabs dollar, though not earning, but begging all over the world. the valtsman in the country of fools lives by the same method - begs and steals

[david_aaron]

Given the existing problems and challenges, the Ministry of Defense decided to replace the obsolete armored vehicles with new models.

Well, kaneshno! that's where the Jewish dog rummaged! This is another cut! they will also place the order somewhere in Canada or a mattress, there is nothing of their own.

armored personnel carrier "Eitan"

... "Shaitan" ??? symbolically!

Apparently, in the near future, new inspections of equipment can pass that will open the way for her to the troops.

yeah, let's put in Syria, your "dear" Ishilovites, the Jews are sending their military instructors to them!
at the same time, SAA will check new b / p to Baikal

[david_aaron]

in urban conditions it will be very convenient to stick their border into the roof. at once 12 Jews will cover. and it’s possible to get blindfolded on board at night.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: david_aaron

in urban conditions it will be very convenient to stick their border into the roof. at once 12 Jews will cover. and it’s possible to get blindfolded on board at night.

Wait and see. And you dream.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: david_aaron

in urban conditions it will be very convenient to stick their border into the roof. at once 12 Jews will cover. and it’s possible to get blindfolded on board at night.

You can see right away, a seasoned veteran. the enemy alone nibbled his teeth.
Do not tell the chickens with your kindergarten cues.

[fider]

david_aaron
I did not manage to appear on the site, but already rude to respected people.
Moderator, we must stop this.

[Zaurbek]

he is troll. Unfortunately, the site has recently had a lot of trolls.

[david_aaron]

Armored vehicles were tested ... including on the territory ... of the Jordan Valley and the Golan Heights.

so how does this Jewish shaitan-arba force water barriers? 35 tons, tall silhouette. tin can with armed stew?

[david_aaron]

The development of the Eitan project is being carried out as part of the larger Ground Horizon program, the purpose of which is to create several promising armored combat vehicles. The task of new armored personnel carriers in the future will be the replacement of obsolete equipment

bogaga !!! all of a sudden decided to replace a merkav? for what? on the same ... but? a stitch from a mattress was stolen, this time from whom? Well, what are the "promising" cars? Well, not warriors Jews, not warriors. lavoshniki - good, no doubt, but not warriors!

[Skubudu]

Quote: david_aaron

Well, not warriors Jews, not warriors. lavoshniki - good, no doubt, but not warriors!

For "not a warrior" for how long they exist, in a rather hostile environment.

[david_aaron]

the sons of Israel, can not answer the harsh criticism of the strange andsraeli armored vehicles, but decided to just turn on the boors. Of course it’s easier. I wish you all a long life. reckon, netanyahany shabakovites.
Israel will NEVER create a normal weapon. in principle, even copy quality can not. because a strange country does not have a normal industry. 500 units of 35 tons - this is more than 15000 tons of metal! Something I did not hear that there is a metallurgical industry in Israel. on the other hand, fortunately, the cost of a shot at an RPG is incomparably lower. it’s like an advertised Iron Pan Cooker worth $ 50 million! 1 launch costs from $ 20000! is it against "kassama" ??? which costs 3-4 dollars !!! Jewish moms do not even imagine what a real danger their son will face.

[padded jacket]

In fact, this is supposedly an Israeli "creation" called the ETR armored troop carrier Alter of the American Stryker armored personnel carrier, which was tested in Israel in the amount of 3-4 copies since the Israeli Jews themselves simply are not able to create something in view of the extremely low development of their engineering school.
American BTR Stryker on tests in Israel.

[Professor]

I’ll feed the quilted jacket today. Passover, and he is not fed. Not an order.

Quote: quilted jacket

In fact, this is supposedly an Israeli "creation" called the ETR armored troop carrier Alter of the American Stryker armored personnel carrier, which was tested in Israel in the amount of 3-4 copies since the Israeli Jews themselves simply are not able to create something in view of the extremely low development of their engineering school.
American BTR Stryker on tests in Israel.

1. As always, with a finger to the sky. Strikers are armed with the Tsakhal. In the photo one of them (chemical protection) involved in a car accident on highway number 6. The driver of the car drove at the junction against traffic and fell under the wheels of an IFV. The driver of the car died.

2. An extreme example of the "extremely low development of their engineering school" is illustrated by the example of the Mobilai company that created an autopilot for cars. This Israeli company was inflamed by Intel for $ 15.3 billion. That is how "extremely low" they value "the extremely low development of our engineering school."

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/1.777
083

3. This is particularly noticeable in comparison with the "extremely high development of the Iranian engineering school"

[padded jacket]

Our highly learned Israeli interlocutor decided to tell another tale about how brave Israeli Jews themselves decided to develop something? Do not tell people, Israel itself is not capable of anything; it can develop something exclusively with the help of the USA or other Western partners.

Quote: professor

In the photo one of them (chemical protection) involved in a car accident on highway number 6. The driver of the car drove at the junction against traffic and fell under the wheels of an IFV. The driver of the car died.

Another lie from our "scientist" Israel purchased at least four different variants of the Stryker armored personnel carrier in the USA for subsequent copying and there were not only chemical protection machines there

Quote: professor

An extreme example of the "extremely low development of their engineering school" is illustrated by the example of the Mobilai company that created an autopilot for cars.

Yes, you yourself could not create industrial espionage at best.

Quote: professor

This is particularly noticeable in comparison with the "extremely high development of the Iranian engineering school"

Well, at least Iran itself makes helicopters "advanced" Israel, due to its technical backwardness, buys them abroad
By the way, this helicopter now looks like this.

So eat the matzah and stop making up our Israeli "scientist"

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

Israel bought another lie from our “scientist” at least four different versions of the Stryker armored personnel carrier in the USA for subsequent copying and there were not only chemical protection machines there

vatik, learn to read: "Strikers are in the arsenal of the Tsakhal. In the photo, one of them (chemical protection) is involved in a car accident on highway number 6. "Truth and truth alone.

Quote: quilted jacket

Yes, you yourself could not create industrial espionage at best.

... and what is your evidence? I guessed. This is industrial espionage in Iran. Those. Mobiline stole this development and the Iranians and sold it to Tesla, BMW, and now they sold everything to Intel.

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, at least Iran itself makes helicopters "advanced", but Israel, due to its technical backwardness, buys them abroad

No, a padded jacket. This is not a helicopter, this is a lawn mower. Look at the door.

Quote: quilted jacket

By the way, this helicopter now looks like this.

The same miracle but in green?

Anti-Semite is never smart. It is a fact.

[padded jacket]

Quote: professor

"The strikers are in the arsenal of the Tsakhal. In the photo, one of them (chemical protection) is involved in a car accident on highway number 6."

So what? This your statement only confirms that various variants of the Stryker armored personnel carrier were purchased by Isorail for subsequent copying and the creation of an armored personnel carrier on its basis for their aircraft.

Quote: professor

I guessed.

Did you guess do not make people laugh.

Quote: professor

and now they’ve sold everything to Intel.

Most likely, Intel simply bought out its "daughter" company, which it had previously created.
After all, it was Intel who built the plant earlier for you, by the way, not just like that, but for a discount of $ 600 million in taxes from the Israeli government.
It is reported that the state returns to the company from 5% to 10% of investments, so the Israeli gift to Intel will be from 300 to 600 million dollars.
http://www.jewish.ru/news/israel/2014/05/news9943
24248.php

Quote: professor

No, a padded jacket. This is not a helicopter, this is a lawn mower. Look at the door.

This photo is from 2010 when Iran just built its first prototype and this Zafar 300 helicopter was never mass-produced; on its basis a single-seat light helicopter Shahed - 285 was developed, which is produced in small series in several versions, for example, marine.

Quote: professor

Anti-Semite is never smart.

Well, yes, yes, yes, but they say that someone who hints in particular with his nicknames about extreme “scholarship” is usually a notorious little-educated schoolboy with megalomania

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

So what? This your statement only confirms that various variants of the Stryker armored personnel carrier were purchased by Isorail for subsequent copying and the creation of an armored personnel carrier on its basis for their aircraft.

And what you don’t know how to read, I clearly wrote to you there what kind of object is in the picture.

Quote: quilted jacket

Most likely, Intel simply bought out its "daughter" company, which it had previously created.

I bought it myself for $ 15.3 billion in order to pay 25% in taxes? And you are a genius.

Quote: quilted jacket

It is reported that the state returns to the company from 5% to 10% of investments, so the Israeli gift to Intel will be from 300 to 600 million dollars.

You are definitely a genius. If 10% of the tax credit is $ 600 million, then the rest paid by Intel to the Zionist treasury is $ 5.4 billion.

Quote: quilted jacket

This photo is from 2010 when Iran just built its first prototype and this Zafar 300 helicopter was never mass-produced; on its basis a single-seat light helicopter Shahed - 285 was developed, which is produced in small series in several versions, for example, marine.

Serial production of lawn mowers is certainly an achievement. Where there Mobilaynu and Innel. By the way, your case is not an Israeli processor to your computer?

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, yes, yes, yes, but they say that someone who hints in particular with his nicknames about extreme “scholarship” is usually a notorious little-educated schoolboy with megalomania

Anti-Semite is never smart. It is a fact.

[padded jacket]

Quote: professor

And what you don’t know how to read, I clearly wrote to you there what kind of object is in the picture.

You wrote some honestly nonsense that I myself knew. But the fact remains that Israel purchased several options for the American Stryker armored personnel carrier for the subsequent creation of its wheeled armored personnel carrier on its basis.
Here is the BTR Stryker with a remotely controlled module on tests in Israel.

Quote: professor

I bought it myself for $ 15.3 billion in order to pay 25% in taxes?

How much and what Intel paid to Israel in reality is not known, but by purchase it is quite possible he simply transferred the money from one pocket to another.

Quote: professor

then the rest paid by Intel to the Zionist treasury is 5.4 billion dollars

Professor more and more it seems that when you write you are raving or just at school you are taught "special"
Intel built a plant in Israel for $ 6 billion of these $ 6 billion spent by it $ 600 million. Israel will return Intel without taking taxes from it for several years.
I finally understood, or again the "scientist" didn’t reach you? Are you ours?

Quote: professor

By the way, your case is not an Israeli processor to your computer?

I have Intel's production as far as I remember Vietnam. By the way, how Israel differs from China or Vietnam, and in Israel, as in China and Vietnam, Malaysia was built by an Intel company from the USA, and where they are assembled, it doesn’t matter you can assemble even in Israel, because you are only hired workers who can work exclusively with their hands behind the conveyor ..

Quote: professor

The serial production of lawn mowers is certainly an achievement.

Well, yes, Israel is not even able to create such because of its technical impotence

Quote: professor

Anti-Semite is never smart.

Well, I will not say about anti-Semites since I have never seen them, but some schoolchildren with manners of “scientists” know-it-all are definitely not smart when they are not.

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

You wrote some honestly nonsense that I myself knew

You yourself knew nonsense? Offset.

Quote: quilted jacket

How much and what Intel paid to Israel in reality is not known, but by purchase it is quite possible he simply transferred the money from one pocket to another.

Now I understand why you can’t afford a walk-behind tractor. You and the knowledge economy have zero. You see, Intel is not a private company, but public and all its reporting is in the public domain. Moreover, Mobilai is also a public company and all its investors are known. So you, as always, with your finger to the sky.
Anti-Semite is never smart.
https://www.intc.com/investor-relations/financial
s-and-filings / earnings-results / default.aspx

Quote: quilted jacket

Intel built a plant in Israel for $ 6 billion of these $ 6 billion spent by it $ 600 million. Israel will return Intel without taking taxes from it for several years.

And how much did Intel pay the Zionists taxes?

Quote: quilted jacket

I have Intel's production as far as I remember Vietnam.

Yah? And when did Intel build the FAB in Vietnam?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconduct
or_fabrication_plants

Quote: quilted jacket

By the way, how Israel differs from China or Vietnam, and in Israel, as in China and Vietnam, Malaysia was built by an Intel company from the USA, and where they are assembled, it doesn’t matter you can assemble even in Israel, because you are only hired workers who can work exclusively with their hands behind the conveyor ..

Again with a finger to the sky. You begin to bore me with a lack of knowledge. Here's an educational program for you: the first research center outside the United States outside the United States.

Teach you how to find out where your processor is made?

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, yes, Israel is not even able to create such because of its technical impotence

Let's go in the second round? Come on. Only one located in Jerusalem (or whatever it is in Arabic) Mobilai (which you had not heard of before), brought about $ 300 million a year in profit before its sale. How much is the whole Islamic State of Iran earning per year pumping hydrocarbons from the bowels of the earth?
Here it is the technical impotence to create a flying lawn mower and pass it off as a special achievement.

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, I will not say about anti-Semites since I have never seen them

Look in the mirror.

PS
When you meet Murnia, say hello to him. Have your brains already found him?
I won’t feed you anymore today. A holiday, a holiday, but you also need to know the honor.

[padded jacket]

Quote: professor

You yourself knew nonsense?

About the fact that Stryker crashed into someone? I knew this professor even then you began to go to the first classes of elementary school

Quote: professor

You see, Intel is not a private company, but public and all its reporting is in the public domain.

What kind of public? Well, you’re really funny admit in what class of school you study although judging by your posts no older than the fifth.
And you can show Intel reports to your classmates at school, or whatever your institution is called.

Quote: professor

And how much did Intel pay the Zionists taxes?

It is unlikely that Israel Jews will pay a lot for Intel, only "slaves" who inject the main cash flows go to the United States where his leadership is sitting.

Quote: professor

Here's an educational program for you: the first research center outside the United States outside the United States.

Again wet fantasies professor not bothered to invent that?
This center in Haifa was built by the same Intel from the USA and not you. Israeli Jews themselves are not capable of anything.

Quote: professor

Let's go in the second round? Come on. Only one located in Jerusalem (or whatever it is in Arabic) Mobilai (which you had not heard of before), brought about $ 300 million a year in profit before its sale.

Iran’s profits alone from the sale of oil (without other oil and gas products) about $ 30 billion for 2012
In 2017, they forecast $ 45-50 billion (along with gas).
Iran's revenues from oil exports will be $ 45-50 billion in 2017
Given the price of oil at $ 55 per barrel, the country's revenues from oil and gas condensate exports will reach $ 45- $ 50 billion in the next Iranian 1396 calendar year (March 21, 2017 - March 20, 2018), ”he said.
http://www.nefterynok.info/novosti/dohody-irana-o
t-eksporta-nefti-sostavyat-45-50-mlrd-v-2017-godu

Quote: professor

A holiday, a holiday, but you also need to know the honor.

Yes, go to the rabbi matzoh bite gain great knowledge, otherwise you will remain uneducated.

[evgesha]

Anti-Semite is never smart. It is a fact.

why are you repeating stupid things like a mantra? reassure yourself or persuade? then every si onist latent gay. and who gave you the right to insult others, are you smart?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: quilted jacket

In fact, this is supposedly an Israeli "creation" called the ETR armored troop carrier Alter of the American Stryker armored personnel carrier, which was tested in Israel in the amount of 3-4 copies since the Israeli Jews themselves simply are not able to create something in view of the extremely low development of their engineering school.
American BTR Stryker on tests in Israel.

Are you kidding? Even the troll must see the difference.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Are you kidding?

Why am I kidding? Slightly tinted, slightly changed the shape of the hull, made improvements to the equipment in accordance with Israeli weather conditions, so it turned out that the BTR Sriker turned into the BTR Eitan.
Here is the BTR Stryker in Israel modified under the KAZ Trophy and with extra bookings.

[krass]

Quote: quilted jacket

Why am I kidding? Slightly tinted, slightly changed the shape of the case, made improvements to the equipment

and got

[yehat]

some kind of insurer, not a striker

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Are you kidding? Even the troll must see the difference.

he is still not a troll but just learning. david-aaron in apprenticeship with him.
ps learn david-aaron, otherwise you will give keys all your life!

[evgesha]

Are you kidding? Even the troll must see the difference.

even you but you don’t see the difference, but that doesn’t mean that you are not a Troll

[ligre]

A wretched attempt to pass feces as a candy, but among Jews this is a usual trick, that's what their business is worth.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Liger

A wretched attempt to pass feces as a candy, but among Jews this is a usual trick, that's what their business is worth.

Did anyone offer you this armored personnel carrier? What are you overexcited?

[ligre]

Typically a Jewish reception, asking questions that are not related to the topic and translating the discussion into a marketplace chatter, the funny thing is that they themselves believe in what they say, well, at least while they are paid, I just say that this armored vehicle is complete in my personal opinion junk.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Liger

Typically a Jewish reception, asking questions that are not related to the topic and translating the discussion into a marketplace chatter, the funny thing is that they themselves believe in what they say, well, at least while they are paid, I just say that this armored vehicle is complete in my personal opinion junk.

Well, you seem to be apart from empty-handed statements in which you are trying to pedolate the Jewish theme, were not noted.
As for “Eitan,” until he enters the army neither my nor your opinion is worth much. You can only judge by military reviews.

[ligre]

You know the empty one is just your armored personnel carrier and all Jewish fabrications, I simply express my opinion, which is based on knowledge of technology, operational qualities that do not correspond to what is declared, and just from old age you begin to understand when they lie simply in the face and do not blush.

[evgesha]

well you! calling Jewish things by their proper names is like spitting in their faces. and you know how insulting it is !? they are also exceptional !!!!

[padded jacket]

Quote: krass

and got

Well, unlike Israel, we did not receive the Strikers for copying.

[evgesha]

oh how many klyauz poured to the moderator !!! you tell them that they have this super-super-wunderwaffle, otherwise there will be knee-deep snot! They couldn’t steal and didn’t, because they have nowhere to do anyway, and nothing. there are no plants, there is no metal rolling, there are no technological reserves either. but trading in pseudo-cosmetics de sheli is the most Izriltyan!

[evgesha]

that's rubbish so rubbish! and you weren’t ashamed to put the whole world on the site. or is it gold exclusively involved in Korea?

[evgesha]

Yeah! the Isrilites were unable to replicate the copied thing so that American ears did not stick out with permission to say “armored vehicles”! I repeat the words of one commentator - Israel does not know how to create weapons. mediocre copy yet somehow it can but no more. and then an industrial base that allows building armored vehicles, aviation, sea vessels in Israel, and God forbid, it will not. what for? trade, usury, in extreme cases, resell vegetables. in serious matters you should not meddle. otherwise Israel will soon declare itself a COSMIC power! after all, they have such professors who look at black, but with tenacity worthy of the best use, they call white. it’s in the blood, such a nation. like gypsies. no homeland, no flag

[Victor Wolz]

Is it worth it to create another lightly armed armored personnel carrier? Tracked is already wheeled. It is necessary to equip it with a 35-57mm gun, a 7,62 machine gun and a 30-40mm grenade launcher. Then it will be an interesting bmp.

[evgesha]

you'd better be worried about the Russian as well as the likely opponent

[Victor Wolz]

Well, first of all, why are they the opponents? And secondly, technology has no nationality. We took a lot of interesting and innovative from our adversary Nazi Germany. I worry about our boomerangs too, I just don’t understand why to make boomerangs with a machine gun if there are Typhoons? If the number of transported soldiers is the same and the armor and mine protection are equal, and the price of 1 KamAZ-Typhoon is about 36 million, if the Boomerang will be cheaper than Typhoon?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Victor Wolz

Is it worth it to create another lightly armed armored personnel carrier? Tracked is already wheeled. It is necessary to equip it with a 35-57mm gun, a 7,62 machine gun and a 30-40mm grenade launcher. Then it will be an interesting bmp.

I agree.

[evgesha]

the layout of this strange pepelats speaks of its high center of gravity, which will create a high overturning moment when a mine is detonated from one side. and if the Jewish soldier is not smashed there by the explosion, then they will surely lose their ability to resist after capsizing. summarizing: Jews, you made junk, go think again. Ask Uncle Sam to sell you another type of armored personnel carrier for copying or from Merkel (although probably a Jew is not comme il faut from the Germans? )

[Div Divich]

And what, let them spend money, I do not mind.

Less on drones will remain.

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