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Polish side: "Tu-154 began to collapse before a collision with the ground"

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Today, mourning events are held in Poland to mark the seventh anniversary of the plane crash near Smolensk with President Lech Kaczynski on board. The main events are held in Warsaw, where the first persons of the state organized a mourning rally. No cost and without provocation. To the building of the Russian embassy, ​​"activists" were driven, who are demanding the return of the wreckage of the crashed airliner to Poland.

Against this background, regular statements on the progress of the investigation, which the Poles started six years after the catastrophe and more than four years after the investigation was completed by an international commission, were made by representatives of the Polish “investigative subgroup”.

Polish side: "Tu-154 began to collapse before a collision with the ground"


The head of the "subgroup" Vaclav Berchinsky announced literally the following (quote TVP):
Our investigative team came to the conclusion that the plane began to fall apart even before the collision with the ground. We analyzed the pilots talk data and realized that the plane began to collapse when it was in the air. The wreckage was scattered tens of meters.


Attempting to provide the information contained in this statement, as an achievement of the Polish investigation team, looks more than strange. And when else should the plane have started to collapse, if not before the collision with the ground, taking into account that it touched the trees with a wing during the descent? The reduction of the aircraft was started, despite the bad weather conditions and despite the proposals of the dispatchers of the Smolensk Severny aerodrome to withdraw to the alternate aerodrome.

Recall that a few days earlier, the Polish side stated that the blame for the collapse of the Polish side of the №1 in April 2010 lies with the Smolensk dispatchers and with some kind of “third person”. But what exactly is the "fault of dispatchers" in Warsaw prefer not to say.
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  1. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us April 10 2017 11: 43
    +17
    And why do we need diplomatic relations with Poland constantly deceiving us? It’s time to start filtering enemies, and to trim your internal 5th column.
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 April 10 2017 11: 44
      +9
      There is a Polish proverb:
      Gdansk vodka, Torun gingerbread, Krakow girl, Warsaw boot - these are the best things in Poland.[i] [/ i]
      In general, it is necessary to thump less in flight, and do not bother pilots with women
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter April 10 2017 11: 48
        +7
        To whom - what, and to the bald - a comb! The Poles continue to howl paid for by mattresses toward Russia. Nothing changes, gentlemen ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 10 2017 12: 00
          +6
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          To whom - what, and to the bald - a comb!

          I’m wondering what logic they use?
          Our investigative team came to the conclusion that the plane began to fall apart even before the collision with the ground. We analyzed the pilots talk data and realized that the plane began to collapse when it was in the air. The wreckage was scattered tens of meters.
          As I understand it, if it were at a great height, the radius of spread would be calculated not in tens, but in hundreds of meters. And the next, if the cause of the fall was a collision with a birch, as a result of which the plane lost part of the wing, then what did they want to say?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter April 10 2017 12: 03
            +10
            Quote: svp67
            what did they want to say?

            The same as always - Russia is to blame for all the troubles of Poland.
            1. cniza
              cniza April 10 2017 12: 44
              +3
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Quote: svp67
              what did they want to say?

              The same as always - Russia is to blame for all the troubles of Poland.


              Why only Poland, today we are “on duty” guilty of everything, and guilty because we want to live as we like, and not as someone wants from outside.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter April 10 2017 12: 46
                +4
                Quote: cniza
                Why only Poland, today we are “on duty” guilty of everything, and guilty because we want to live as we like, and not as someone wants from outside

                Let your "longing" and "longing" in the latrine satisfy. wink
                1. AnpeL
                  AnpeL April 10 2017 13: 20
                  +1
                  Pshek’s brain began to decompose before it met the ground
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter April 10 2017 13: 40
                    +4
                    Quote: AnpeL
                    Pshek’s brain began to decompose before it met the ground

                    You can’t argue with that. yes
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad April 10 2017 12: 44
            +3
            They didn’t want, but once again proved that among the Poles hi there are many zheks wassat !
            1. SergeBS
              SergeBS April 10 2017 20: 30
              0
              IMHO wrong. Among the many Psheks ("great descendants of the grand free gentry"), it is very difficult to find a Pole. They are all heroes of “blue bloods”, and you poke them in THEIR national “bible” - the “Three Books” of Henryk Sienkiewicz and ask: “where is the Pole hero”, there’s a problem right away. They cannot find ...
          3. Reviews
            Reviews April 10 2017 12: 44
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            As I understand it, if it were at a great height, the radius of spread would be calculated not in tens, but in hundreds of meters.

            If it were not for the forest and the terrain, it was estimated at tens of meters and at the beginning of the destruction it was already on the ground (for a rather wide angle of encounter with the ground). And even hundreds. The scatter of the debris of the 737th in R-N-D is, EMNIP, half a kilometer at a meeting angle of something around 30 ... 45 °.

            And the next, if the cause of the fall was a collision with a birch, as a result of which the plane lost part of the wing, then what did they want to say?

            The fact that they are morons. Say the well-known fact and add “Thus, ...” (The gap is filled with the desired delirium).
            One example (I don’t remember which garbage can I wrote):
            Fact: The Siberian Tu-154 was shot down in the area of ​​missile firing.
            Conclusion: this happened because the leadership of the airline forced the pilots to fly in a straight line, saving a penny on kerosene. And it wouldn’t make it; the tragedy didn’t happen.
          4. Karaul73
            Karaul73 April 10 2017 19: 13
            0
            The third force is a jumping birch, which fulfilled the mission of the center with honor.
        2. ARES623
          ARES623 April 10 2017 18: 51
          0
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          To whom - what, and to the bald - a comb! The Poles continue to howl paid for by mattresses toward Russia. Nothing changes, gentlemen ...

          In matters of hatred of Russia, arrogance and the inability to criticize their shortcomings, the Poles succeeded even before Columbus discovered America. Here they will lead even for free.
      2. yehat
        yehat April 10 2017 11: 55
        0
        Krakow girl ... things

        curious position
        1. Slovak
          Slovak April 10 2017 18: 34
          0
          in any position :)
          1. Lycan
            Lycan April 11 2017 12: 15
            0
            Ah, a sinner, in a great fast you confuse people. : D
      3. Vladimir 38
        Vladimir 38 April 10 2017 12: 17
        +1
        Duc, and he fell apart in the air can be seen so dancing ..
    2. AUL
      AUL April 10 2017 11: 47
      +6
      the Polish side said that the blame for the collapse of the Polish side No. 1 in April 2010 lies with the Smolensk dispatchers and a certain "third party".
      And the "third party" was in the cockpit in a very tidy condition!
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 10 2017 12: 05
        0
        Quote: AUL
        And the "third party" was in the cockpit in a very tidy condition!

        No, this time the Poles "moved" him to the Smolensk tower of the KDP ...
    3. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller April 10 2017 11: 48
      0
      Then sanctions against Putiners can be strengthened and they will not be able to fly home to Europe.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 April 10 2017 11: 53
        +5
        And here in Warsaw they prefer not to say what exactly is the “dispatcher’s fault”.

        The fault of the dispatchers is that they did not drink wine, unlike the passengers of the plane! yes
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 10 2017 11: 56
          +3
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          The fault of the dispatchers is that they did not drink wine, unlike the passengers of the plane!

          Have you watched the Polish film "Smolensk"? Everything is fine there, our dispatchers are drunk or from a waste ....
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 April 10 2017 12: 00
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            Have you watched the Polish film "Smolensk"? Everything is fine there, our dispatchers are drunk or with a lot of money ..

            I try not to look at chernukha, especially foreign ones: it is known in advance who is to blame.
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 10 2017 12: 03
              0
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              I try not to watch chernukha, especially foreign one: it is known in advance who is to blame.

              But I don’t disdain. In order to talk about something, one must have an opinion. So it is necessary.
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain April 10 2017 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Then sanctions against Putiners can be strengthened and they will not be able to fly home to Europe.

        Is Putiners live in Europe belay Not Putiners znachitsa in Russia what Interesting math. what
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 10 2017 13: 04
          0
          Quote: vovanpain
          Is Putiners live in Europe

          For some, they are like "cyborgs", they have filled the world ...
      3. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 10 2017 12: 53
        +2
        in vain do you torture Claudia. your delicate posts
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 10 2017 14: 41
        0
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Then sanctions against Putiners can be strengthened and they will not be able to fly home to Europe.

        And the demon with them, let them not fly. In my opinion, it is necessary to completely cease all contacts with this country - political, economic, humanitarian, cultural - in general, everything is zero. If they want to communicate, let's go through the Belarusian Foreign Ministry.
    4. kapitan92
      kapitan92 April 10 2017 12: 02
      +4
      Quote: There are many of us
      And why do we need diplomatic relations with Poland constantly deceiving us?

      Deep we won’t touch the relations yet, but in economic terms we can squeeze the Poles, given that Poland is one of the ten exporters of its products to Russia.
    5. antivirus
      antivirus April 10 2017 12: 49
      0
      filter bandwidth has a limit - you have to start and continue 10 years ago.
      Chief Sanitary Cordon. we returned to the situation of 30gg of the 20th century
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 10 2017 11: 44
    +4
    The same tree, with traces of a collision with an airplane - is not required? So he cut down that birch plane, what a disaster. Did you find any traces of explosives during exhumation? Ai-yai-yay, what a bad luck ... laughing But what are the wreckage for? To still detect these traces (or toss it up?). Well, the accusation does not stick together.
  3. Greg Miller
    Greg Miller April 10 2017 11: 44
    +2
    Of course, because they first hooked a birch with a wing ....
    1. zivXP
      zivXP April 10 2017 11: 53
      +4
      Agent "Birch" took root in a role for a long time
      1. Lostcoast
        Lostcoast April 10 2017 11: 58
        +4
        Quote: zivXP
        Agent "Birch" took root in a role for a long time

        Now they will require the birch operator and fog calculation ...
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  5. Machete
    Machete April 10 2017 11: 44
    +10
    It began to collapse back in Poland, when the elite began to command.
  6. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky April 10 2017 11: 45
    +6
    Digging out a dead twin once a year is an old pans fun. And the Russians are always to blame for not falling under the gentry
  7. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded April 10 2017 11: 45
    0
    Was it Kaczynski during which he already whispered by account of exhumation?
  8. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 April 10 2017 11: 46
    0
    For a long time it came to them, as much as six years what ! Further as Sergey Viktorovich said fool
  9. Lostcoast
    Lostcoast April 10 2017 11: 48
    +9

    They have such hatred and Goebbels-made propaganda against us that they, as a Jewish population, killed us in 1939-1945 if they could. In my opinion, we don’t need a diplomatic relationship with them. "There are a lot of us" right ...
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh April 10 2017 11: 53
      +1
      Panochki dream of Putin
    2. SergeBS
      SergeBS April 10 2017 21: 03
      +1
      Quote: LostCoast
      They have such hatred and Goebbels-made propaganda against us, that they, as their Jewish population, in 1939-1945 killed us if they could.

      IMHO, everything is simpler. MONEY! RESTITUTION! Lviv region, like a tidbit. And you can get it EXCLUSIVELY by signing up for "the main enemies of the Russian Federation." So that when 404 begin to tear apart the "true democrats", to obtain fertile land (the industry is Polish in .ope, so the rest, such as raw materials or ALREADY factory ruins - just do not dig up). Moreover, to obtain land with the "successfully" reduced by 2-4 times the indigenous population, half of which (in the Lviv region) attributes themselves to the nobility. At the end of the 19th - beginning of the 20th century, Lviv ALREADY Catholicized, simply killing the Orthodox (the slaughter was comparable to the slaughter of the Slavs at Aloizych). And now, with the support of the “most democratic country” (the United States, if anyone doesn’t understand), it’s easy to “liquidate” Orthodoxy when the Lviv region is captured by pshons, and at the same time drive the “ragul” back into the slaves of the master. Here you have new lands and new slaves. Moreover, you just need to REPEAT what has already happened. Profit
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 10 2017 11: 49
    +1
    ... fools fools, fools ...
  11. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 10 2017 11: 53
    +6
    They are right. Earth is not there! "Tu-154 began to collapse before collision with the ground"
    bully
  12. Machete
    Machete April 10 2017 11: 53
    +1
    Isn’t this old fool himself disgusted every few months to excite his brother’s ashes?
    Or is it so for the Poles? Any of the most vile and vulgar methods to achieve a goal?
  13. prior
    prior April 10 2017 11: 59
    +8
    Perhaps it's time to engage in the exhumation of the Katyn Poles to conduct examinations to determine the causes of their death.
    There is compelling evidence that they died from the bombings of the American Tomahawks.
    But this is classified information and we will not show it to the Poles.
  14. Baloo
    Baloo April 10 2017 12: 10
    +4
    The head of the “subgroup” Vaclav Berczynski announced the following (quote from TVP):
    Our investigative team came to the conclusion that the plane began to fall apart even before the collision with the ground. We analyzed the pilots talk data and realized that the plane began to collapse when it was in the air. The wreckage was scattered tens of meters.
    Stars like Trotsky. On TV they showed this recording with the translation of conversations in the cockpit. Screams of horror arose after the crew clearly bickered and asked someone to leave the cockpit. The plane began to collapse in the air from a collision with a birch: first, for several seconds, an automatic warning of a collision against the background of the bazaar in the cockpit and the command to gain altitude, then screams. The aircraft left wing touched the birch and really began to collapse. But the dispatcher is clearly and tough before: get ready from 100 to leave for the second round. Pilots have never landed at this airport and did not know the terrain on approach. There is a strict rule, if up to 100m did not see the ground, you need to go to the second round. Am I confusing anything? Although I am not an aviator or an investigator ...
    1. Reviews
      Reviews April 10 2017 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: Balu
      There is a strict rule, if up to 100m did not see the ground, you need to go to the second round. Am I confusing anything? Although I am not an aviator or an investigator ...

      To the height of decision making. It is different for different planes, crews and airfield equipment; the meteorological minimum with the largest number is taken. For the equipment that stood in Smolensk, the meteorological minimum could not be better than 150x1500m. But, most likely, it’s much worse, because 150x1500 is for the option when there are two driven radio stations at the airport, which was not in Smolensk, EMNIP.
    2. intuzazist
      intuzazist April 10 2017 13: 00
      0
      There is a strict rule, if up to 100m did not see the ground, you need to go to the second round. Am I confusing anything? Although I am not an aviator or an investigator ...
      ---------------------
      There is no such rule! There is the height of the decision to leave for the second round. Usually it coincides with the personal minimum of the pilot (FAC) or the span of the near radio drive ............
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 10 2017 12: 10
    +3
    They even dug up the corpses from the ground as their "experts" "had evidence" that they were alive after the disaster and they were "finished off" by Russian special forces, who were ambushed there for this case. Seriously, I’m not exaggerating, it was just that they had a “version”. Remember how much hype they had about this "exhumation", like- "now we prove" cunning "and" atrocities "of the Russians." Then the corpses quietly buried back ...
  16. SPIKER
    SPIKER April 10 2017 12: 15
    +2
    The Tu-154 began to collapse as it approached Smolensk, when the "Polish Pans" began to thump, only taking off from Warsaw !!! Therefore, sit on ... opera exactly, the aviators are bad !!!
  17. Kenneth
    Kenneth April 10 2017 12: 22
    +1
    Who knows why we did not give them this trash.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews April 10 2017 12: 52
      +2
      Quote: Kenneth
      Who knows why we did not give them this trash.

      Can you imagine that they will “discover” the degree of stench that they will raise?
  18. demo
    demo April 10 2017 12: 23
    +1
    The brains of Polish politicians collapsed during kindergarten age. And conscience has not formed at all.
  19. shura7782
    shura7782 April 10 2017 12: 28
    0
    Judging by the investigation, the Poles are right. The plane really began to collapse before a collision with the ground. Russia planted a birch in this very place and grew it for many years especially for this occasion. What can I say in this case? On just cured. Now we have no forgiveness.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 10 2017 12: 34
      +3
      Russia planted a birch in this very place and grew it for many years especially for this occasion..

      Yes, yes, it was Stalin and Beria who were imprisoned just in case. and there are all kinds of cases, Lieutenant Rzhevsky said, putting a jar of petroleum jelly in his pocket.
  20. nikola
    nikola April 10 2017 12: 33
    0
    again, the smokers smoked
  21. Reviews
    Reviews April 10 2017 12: 37
    +1
    “Spring is in full swing, we haven’t yet gone around, but the schizo was already torn from the brains ...” © paraphrased.
    When will they calm down?
  22. Topotun
    Topotun April 10 2017 12: 44
    0
    Of course - still in the air. The trees are tall, the ground was still hoo
  23. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 April 10 2017 12: 50
    0
    They told the truth. Kaczynski's liver began to collapse long before the plane even took off. Alcohol - kills, after all.
  24. Vitalson
    Vitalson April 10 2017 12: 53
    0
    I'm sorry ...... and again they gave a voice.
  25. Sergey Kranov
    Sergey Kranov April 10 2017 13: 17
    +1
    If the plane began to collapse before a collision with birches, it means that a bomb went off there, but where could it be planted? Only on Polish territory. So look for hail from yourself.
    1. Topotun
      Topotun April 10 2017 13: 33
      +2
      It was a mine frog - how to jump .....
    2. Reviews
      Reviews April 10 2017 13: 41
      0
      Quote: Sergey Kranov
      If the plane began to collapse before a collision with birches, it means that a bomb went off there, but where could it be planted? Only on Polish territory. So look for hail from yourself.

      Some kind of mongrel yapping about repairs on the Aviakor.
  26. Nmpanfil
    Nmpanfil April 10 2017 13: 29
    0
    No matter how many investigations are carried out, whatever commissions work, the Poles will constantly return to this incident, so that, God forbid, the sponsors thought that they had quieted down and stopped Russophobic fuss.
  27. Zulu_S
    Zulu_S April 10 2017 13: 48
    0
    And here in Warsaw they prefer not to say what exactly is the “dispatcher’s fault”.

    This is already clear: his dispatchers from MANPADS, right from the tower!
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 April 11 2017 08: 52
      0
      Why, from the outside, they themselves cope well with this, get drunk and direct the actions of the strips.
  28. Eddie
    Eddie April 10 2017 14: 00
    0
    Poor, narrow-minded fools! They no longer know how to spoil Russia more painfully. How can an overseas cookie work out! Slave little souls ... pah! fool
  29. Operator
    Operator April 10 2017 14: 13
    0
    Real downs: the official crash investigation report says in black and white that the Polish plane began to collapse just before it collided with the ground - its wings were cut off from hitting trees even before it came in contact with the ground.
  30. afrikanez
    afrikanez April 10 2017 16: 29
    0
    Tu-154 began to collapse before a collision with the ground
    Yeah, as soon as he took off from the territory of Poland, he immediately began to fall apart. fool
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 April 11 2017 08: 49
      0
      Totally agree with you.
  31. 4ekist
    4ekist April 10 2017 22: 18
    +1
    ProfessionsOnal, forever offended Russophobia. Sorry for the birches.
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  33. cergey51046
    cergey51046 April 11 2017 08: 48
    0
    You should drink less. Drunken sea knee-deep.
  34. Nasty
    Nasty April 11 2017 20: 50
    0
    The third person is the president himself. They thumped and the general went to tell the pilots to sit down. But they did not sit down. Underground
  35. Charond
    Charond April 13 2017 11: 59
    0
    So he squealed all the trees before finally falling