August 23 - Soviet Victory Day in the Battle of Kursk (1943)




The Battle of Kursk occupies a special place in the Great Patriotic War. It lasted 50 days and nights, from 5 July to 23 August 1943. By its bitterness and perseverance of struggle, this battle is unrivaled.

The general plan of the German command was to encircle and destroy the troops of the Central and Voronezh fronts defending in the Kursk region. If successful, it was planned to expand the front of the offensive and return the strategic initiative. To implement his plans, the enemy concentrated powerful strike groups, which numbered over 900 thousand people, about 10 thousand guns and mortars, up to 2700 tanks and assault guns, about 2050 aircraft. Great hopes were pinned on the latest Tiger and Panther tanks, Ferdinand assault guns, Fokke-Wulf-190-A fighter planes and Heinkel-129 attack aircraft.



The Soviet command decided first to deflate the enemy's strike groups in defensive battles, and then proceed to a counteroffensive. The battle that started out immediately took on a grandiose scope and was extremely tense. Our troops did not flinch. They met avalanche tanks and infantry of the enemy with unparalleled steadfastness and courage. The offensive of the enemy strike groups was suspended. Only at the cost of huge losses he managed to wedge himself into our defenses in certain sectors. On the Central Front - at 10-12 km, on the Voronezh - up to 35 km. Finally, Hitler's operation "Citadel" was buried, the largest in the entire second world war, the oncoming tank battle at Prohhorovka. It happened on 12 July. In it from both sides simultaneously participated 1200 tanks and self-propelled guns. This battle was won by Soviet soldiers. Fascists, having lost a day of battle to 400 tanks, were forced to abandon the offensive.

July 12 began the second stage of the Battle of Kursk - the counteroffensive of the Soviet troops. 5 August Soviet troops liberated the city of Eagle and Belgorod. In the evening of August 5, in honor of this major success in Moscow, for the first time in two years of the war, a victory salute was given. Since that time, artillery salutes constantly proclaimed the glorious victories of the Soviet weapons. 23 August was released Kharkov. So victoriously ended the battle of the Kursk fire arc. In the course of it, 30 selected enemy divisions were crushed. The Nazi troops lost about 500 thousand people, 1500 tanks, 3 thousand guns and 3700 aircraft. For courage and heroism over 100, thousands of Soviet soldiers who participated in the Battle of Tierra del Fuego were awarded orders and medals. The battle of Kursk ended a radical change in the Great Patriotic War.

Tanks. Kursk battle

The Battle of Kursk, or Operation Citadel, was a turning point, and occupies a special place in the Great Patriotic War. It lasted 50 days and nights, from July 5 to August 23 1943 g. By its bitterness and tenacity of struggle, this battle has no equal. The battle, which took place more than sixty years ago, still attracts attention as the most formidable clash of tank armadas in all history wars The defeat of the Nazi troops at Kursk and the subsequent exit of the Soviet troops to the Dnieper completed a radical change in the course of the Great Patriotic War.






August 23 - Soviet Victory Day in the Battle of Kursk (1943)
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  1. jamert
    jamert 23 August 2011 09: 34 New
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    Happy Anniversary!!! Health to veterans !!!
  2. ballian
    ballian 23 August 2011 09: 35 New
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    "... The Hitler’s operation" Citadel "finally buried the largest counter-tank battle of the whole World War II near Pro-Khorovka. It took place on July 12. 1200 tanks and self-propelled guns simultaneously participated on both sides. This battle was won by Soviet soldiers. Fascists having lost a day before the battle to 400 tanks, they were forced to abandon the offensive. "
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    "... During it, 30 selected enemy divisions were defeated. The Nazi troops lost about 500 thousand people, 1500 tanks, 3 thousand guns and 3700 aircraft."

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    The author apparently except the Brezhnevsky 12 volume WW-2 did not read anything about the war,
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    As for the “radical change,” it is actually a very controversial statement, although it has been taken for granted since Soviet historiography. Yes, the Germans were already unable to attack, but they had a chance until the summer of 44 that the Soviet Army would be drowned in losses and would not be capable of a serious attack, in the summer of 44 it became clear that this chance was gone
    http://d-prospero.livejournal.com/73841.html
    1. Smirnov Vadim 23 August 2011 09: 40 New
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      It seems that this person is a ballian (I don’t dare call a friend as a friend) from Tomsk and shits like a lousy Yankee.
      1. ballian
        ballian 23 August 2011 09: 52 New
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        Are you able to object? Or for more than yapping, off topic, can not you?
        1. Smirnov Vadim 23 August 2011 10: 03 New
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          Firstly, we did not drink brotherhood.
          Secondly - You yelp like that Pug, and in almost all the comments.
          Thirdly - I am not going to enter into a stupid and useless discussion with you. Our grandfathers shed their blood, And you, with your dirty comments, only you have a bright memory. This post is a Memorable date and not a discussion with such shortcomings as you.
          1. ballian
            ballian 23 August 2011 10: 21 New
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            Deliberately lying even to “finishing touches” with a sauce of date is ugly.
          2. Varnaga 23 August 2011 10: 32 New
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            It is absolutely correct to argue with an underdeveloped troll that did not master at least Vasilevsky’s memories, an empty lesson.
        2. mar.tira
          mar.tira 23 August 2011 10: 15 New
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          Where did you get STRATEG from such information after so many years? And we just sit there and don’t know. It turned out differently. There is still so much dirt on our land. You would tell my uncle tankman who burned 3 times in a tank, but he stayed alive. When he was drunk, he told me a lot about this Arc. When in the heat of battle they didn’t know where were ours, where were the Germans. When the Germans surrendered, but they were shot, along with the wounded Germans. Because there was nowhere to send them. They drove into pits and beat from machine guns, and people howled before being shot, and moaned with fear. Our spirit won that battle, is it really not clear. They were scared even then, and we had confidence
      2. zczczc
        zczczc 24 August 2011 04: 03 New
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        We have already 7-12% of these about various social data. polls. The machine is fooled for 20 years plows - it forms brains ...
      3. SAVA
        SAVA 24 August 2011 14: 12 New
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        And I WARNED THAT THE ENEMY IS INSIDE RUSSIA AND SUCH VERY MUCH AND THEY DO NOT SIT ON THE INTERNET AND PLANEALLY KILL THE MORAL AND PHYSICAL DRUGS OF THE WINNERS
    2. dmb
      dmb 23 August 2011 10: 19 New
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      As the Gorbovsky at the Strugatsky used to say: “Exhortations did not help, you have to go on insults.” But what did this chance itself disappear? Or if there weren’t El Alamein, then they would not have won the war? 12 volumes by the way were written mainly by those who participated in this war. But from my own experience I know that after the war, you don’t really fear someone or crawl before someone. So these authors have more faith than gentlemen with indecent surnames Sokolov and Pravdyuk.
      1. ballian
        ballian 23 August 2011 19: 47 New
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        [quote = dmb] 12 volumes by the way were written mainly by those who participated in this war. But from my own experience I know that after the war, you don’t really fear someone or crawl before someone. So these authors have more faith than gentlemen
        No comment - if you're so dense.
      2. ballian
        ballian 23 August 2011 19: 52 New
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        Quote: dmb
        12 volumes by the way were written mainly by those who participated in this war. But from my own experience I know that after the war, you don’t really fear someone or crawl before someone. So these authors have more faith than gentlemen

        If you are so dense - these are your problems
        1. dmb
          dmb 24 August 2011 12: 58 New
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          Curious, what is "denseness"? If only in disagreement with you, then this is the argument "tram" from the category "Himself a fool."
    3. MichaelVl
      MichaelVl 23 August 2011 10: 27 New
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      ballian
      maybe the Germans had a chance, but swam :)
      It is clear to everyone, even without your sarcasm, about "self-evident Soviet historical facts" that the Germans could still do a lot. And not only they could in theory, but did it in practice, they did it 2,5 years after the Battle of Kursk. But what did you mean by that? The battle is won, the ridge of the Nazis was broken, and as a result the war was won. What is your "very controversial statement" there? The author wrote a short patriotic good word about the Battle of Kursk, which our ancestors won, and it doesn’t matter what you read there.
      By the way, did you watch the video in the article? There even a German veteran speaks of the significance of the Battle of Kursk and a turning point in the war. So sarcasm and anti-patriotism besiege your little and reduce emotions. How do you say there - "POTTRIOT"? So you are the yapping pop.
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 23 August 2011 12: 29 New
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        In fact, the Battle of Kursk itself was not planned as an offensive operation, but it was a tough defense operation and, if possible, a counteroffensive. The fact that as a result of the battle itself, both sides suffered serious losses, and the USSR seems larger than Germany does not mean that the battle failed. The battle is won if the tasks are completed, and the tasks of that battle - to stop the advance of the enemy and to bleed it was completed by 150%. Although parts of the Red Army participating in it were no less bloodless than the German, the Red Army had not weak reserves and the Germans did not have them. As a result of the Germans being able to restrain the Germans in the area of ​​Kursk, successful flank operations were conducted in the north and in the south, one of which was crowned by the liberation of my hometown of Kharkov and Belgorod, this time a rally without serious battles (unlike the Barvenkovo ​​operation 42 years), the Red Army reached the ridge of the Germans in the final to the Dnieper and liberated half of Ukraine, removed the threat to Moscow.
        During this operation, my great-grandfather, Ignat, who was a young man in Russian-Japanese, died, defended Port Arthur, where he received the St. George Cross. He fought in World War I, was wounded three times, where he was always silent as a civilian relative, I think that he was not in the Red Army, at 21m he returned home. When at 41m the Red Army was retreating through his village (retreating, to put it mildly, the soldiers rode cows on horseback and were sleeping at the same time) he was under 60, he could not stand it and put on boots, a sheepskin coat and went with the first infantry division he got, his they didn’t want to take, but he insisted. He survived in Stalingrad, after the beginning of the Kursk Operation, letters ceased to come, then a notification came that he was missing. In 1972 (it seems) they sent a letter that his remains were found in the mass grave. It turned out to be 20 kilometers from his native village, his regiment already took this village, but without it. It is interesting that he felt when he was going to the last battle, because he thought about how he would hug his family in a couple of days.
        1. chehywed 23 August 2011 12: 48 New
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          On losses in the Battle of Kursk there was a large article in the VIZH at the end of the 80's. The losses amounted to: 2500000 of our and 900000 Germans, in fact, the forces deployed at the beginning of the battle. The difference is impressive. But it can be explained by the fact that ours were advancing for 1,5 of the month breaking through German defenses in the forehead.
        2. LESHA pancake
          LESHA pancake 23 August 2011 16: 09 New
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          THIS IS THE FATE OF A MAN WITH A BIG LETTER!
        3. zczczc
          zczczc 24 August 2011 04: 08 New
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          Real man.
        4. Dovmont
          Dovmont 24 August 2011 15: 09 New
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          A deep bow and eternal memory to your grandfather and to millions of our compatriots who shed their blood defending our land !!!!
      2. LESHA pancake
        LESHA pancake 23 August 2011 15: 47 New
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        DO NOT DISTURB ON MOSQUITOES.
    4. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 23 August 2011 15: 27 New
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      THE BEST TESTIMONIES OF THOSE YEARS STORIES OF SIMPLE SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS. ALWAYS DECLINED BEFORE THEIR COURAGE. GOING TO DEATH CONSCIOUSLY NOT EVERYONE CAN. Glory to them.
    5. Glory
      Glory 23 August 2011 16: 05 New
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      until the summer of 44 that the Soviet Army would be drowned in losses and would not be capable of a serious offensive?
      You would have studied the statements of your spiritual father, Adolf G., more closely, he would have approximately the same way until the end of April 1945. kept repeating, sitting in his rat hole under Berlin. And here it’s only summer 44, no offense)
      1. LESHA pancake
        LESHA pancake 23 August 2011 16: 13 New
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        THIS SPIRITUAL FATHER IN HELL IN A PAN FRYING?
      2. ballian
        ballian 23 August 2011 17: 57 New
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        I gave the Glory reference if you weren’t Asilili, you think that Adolf G. wrote it, and I am not able to comment on it - these are your problems.
        1. Glory
          Glory 24 August 2011 11: 34 New
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          The link is certainly good, only, firstly, I did not comment on it, but your statements here, but on this page, and not on the blog you are linking to.
          Secondly, the information in one of the millions of blogs is certainly undeniable and absolutely authoritative, so to speak, the ultimate truth. And by the way, based on the meaning of the article in this blog, it turns out that before the assault on Berlin, the Germans had good chances to drown the advancing Soviet troops in the blood and thereby avoid defeat. Well, exactly in the spirit of Hitler, Berlin - Stalingrad, on the contrary, etc.
          1. ballian
            ballian 24 August 2011 19: 33 New
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            Quote: Glory
            And by the way, based on the meaning of the article in this blog, it turns out that before the storm of Berlin the Germans had good chances to drown the advancing Soviet troops in the blood and thereby avoid defeat

            Quote: Glory
            And by the way, based on the meaning of the article in this blog, it turns out that before the storm of Berlin the Germans had good chances to drown the advancing Soviet troops in the blood and thereby avoid defeat

            you are not able to read WHAT is written there ????????
            Well, I even wrote HERE 44 HERE - AND YOU are lying: (((((((((
    6. chehywed 24 August 2011 00: 06 New
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      Ballian, but we did not choke in the blood. We learned how to fight quickly enough is about commanders, but a soldier didn’t forget how to fight. Since the beginning of the century, 4 soldiers. And the losses of the Germans and without allies are close to 14 million. And you read about battalions that were left before German machine gunner and marvel, but who took Berlin? Women and children?
      1. ballian
        ballian 24 August 2011 10: 55 New
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        Emae - I gave the link - is it really difficult to read? Human resources are not infinite - what the Germans have, what we have.
        And for your information - in 45, we began to call on 17-year-olds.
        1. chehywed 24 August 2011 20: 28 New
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          And of course you didn’t look at the chronicle where Hitler was kidding children with faustpatrons by the cheeks.
    7. aleks 24 August 2011 12: 40 New
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      Such a hardened thinking can be in the case of a worn-out NTS employee of the spill of the 50s or a yard “cicero”.
  3. Superduck
    Superduck 23 August 2011 10: 00 New
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    Happy holiday to all! Kharkovites with a double holiday!
    1. SAVA
      SAVA 24 August 2011 13: 59 New
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      PLEASE FIND OUT WHICH HOLIDAY?
  4. MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 23 August 2011 10: 17 New
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    Eternal glory to our heroes !!! Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!
    Health strong and cheerful mood!
    We remember their exploits and will pass on to children, grandchildren, and if we are lucky, and great-grandchildren!
  5. mitrich
    mitrich 23 August 2011 10: 32 New
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    Tomsk is a city of students, it is famous for. And the students are the same Jews, baaalsh revolutionaries in the interpretation of history!
    They have at least Brezhnev’s 12-volume, at least Manstein’s 2-volume - they still will not believe. Young is green ...
    1. mar.tira
      mar.tira 23 August 2011 10: 38 New
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      Actually, I'm writing from Tomsk, no need to generalize.
    2. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 23 August 2011 15: 29 New
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      ZATO AUTOMATIC MACHINE HANDS IN PANTS AND FORWARD URAAAAAAAAAAAA!
    3. Michael
      Michael 23 August 2011 21: 35 New
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      they, students, are now of a transitional age, urine in the head and all sorts of hormones call for rebellion and the negation of everything and everything ... indigo slightly diluted with alcohol ..
  6. mitrich
    mitrich 23 August 2011 10: 47 New
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    And who generalizes? An assumption has been put forward on the social status and level of knowledge of a particular Tomich ...
  7. vasek-3180 23 August 2011 10: 55 New
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    ballian- ... andon!
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      Old Cat Basilio 23 August 2011 12: 08 New
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      vasek-3180, you can treat ballian’s comments as you like: agreeing, disagreeing, approving, criticizing, disputing is up to you. But why insult a person? In the end, we are not on the “soap”!
      1. zczczc
        zczczc 24 August 2011 04: 15 New
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        And I believe that this is not an insult, but a statement of fact. If a dubious designer Lebedev or a journalist Podrabinek humiliate our veterans, then who are they? Gandons are. And this ballian gandon.

        The memory of the ancestors who defended the independence of my land is holiness.
  8. MichaelVl
    MichaelVl 23 August 2011 11: 43 New
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    The people, and for what SuperUtke minus slapped for congratulations ???
    Who is this minus one? Respond and summarize your minus! :)
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 23 August 2011 11: 57 New
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      Yes you hammer on them.
  9. figwam 23 August 2011 12: 33 New
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    except balliana.
    My grandmother was from Prokhorovka, they fled away from death in those days with their family, and they found salvation in Kharkov, which was finally liberated (on August 23), after the famine, until the end of their life they crushed crumbs from the table to the floor. And after many years, It was on this day that I was born.

    Yes, our losses were great, we lost more tanks than the Germans, but the tanks were mostly light (T-60) and the Germans drove the heaviest tanks, the armor reached 200 mm, and the weight was under 70 tons, their barrels were an order of magnitude longer , the caliber is greater. So to withstand and disrupt the German offensive plan was already a victory.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 23 August 2011 12: 43 New
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      Happy Birthday!
    2. indrik
      indrik 23 August 2011 23: 15 New
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      with a double holiday!)
      1. Svyatoslav
        Svyatoslav 24 August 2011 03: 13 New
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        I am joining. Happy double holiday !!!
    3. Svyatoslav
      Svyatoslav 24 August 2011 03: 19 New
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      Happy Birthday!!! All the best.
    4. zczczc
      zczczc 24 August 2011 04: 17 New
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      Happy Birthday :)
    5. solodova 24 August 2011 09: 50 New
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      Happy Birthday! All the best!
      1. figwam 24 August 2011 10: 37 New
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        Thank you all for your congratulations! smile
        1. Marat
          Marat 24 August 2011 22: 51 New
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          I join the congratulations to Figwam! You seem to me a real SOVIET person!
          And all a happy victory day in a great battle!
    6. SAVA
      SAVA 24 August 2011 14: 01 New
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      Many years !!))
    7. Ivan35
      Ivan35 24 August 2011 20: 22 New
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      Dear Figwam! Happy Birthday to you! And on the anniversary of our Victory in the greatest battle!
  10. baykal79
    baykal79 23 August 2011 15: 18 New
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    WITH A HOLIDAY FOR EVERYONE !!! VETERANS AND PARTICIPANTS IN HEALTH AND LONG LIVING CENTURY !!!! LIGHT MEMORY TO EVERYONE FELLING !!!!
    1. Svyatoslav
      Svyatoslav 24 August 2011 03: 20 New
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      I join all of the above!
  11. makrus
    makrus 23 August 2011 15: 45 New
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    On this occasion, I would like to write the following. Both companies of 41 and 42 years, the Germans attacked in the weakest directions, which ensured a quick breakthrough of the Soviet defense with catastrophic consequences for us. But in 1943 the Wehrmacht decided to attack Soviet positions on one of the most fortified directions, well, the result is corresponding.
    1. ballian
      ballian 23 August 2011 18: 05 New
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      Commenting and refuting your laziness is not so much more difficult, but just on the topic - the biggest tank battle was not at all near Prokhorovka, but in the 41 near Dubno in Western Ukraine - the Germans were there in a multiple minority, and the real numbers of losses under Kursk is completely different, as well as what was near Prokhorovka - all those interested have long read the books of Zamulin and Lopukhovsky ..
    2. vlbelugin 24 August 2011 21: 18 New
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      Here was a big game of intelligence. Our intelligence turned out to be better. The Germans got into a mess.
  12. solodova 23 August 2011 16: 12 New
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    Thank you very much, war veterans. We are indebted to you, bowing at your feet for your sacrifices, for the Great Victory.
    History will put everyone and everything in their places.
    Forgive our generation, we will someday become wiser.
    1. Maximum
      Maximum 23 August 2011 18: 08 New
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      It is unlikely that they read your comments and statuses, just say thank you for what we still have, I'm glad that they will not read the comments and statements of some "patriots", they got it anyway, we don’t understand them, but such "patriots" in the forties before the detachment detachments were released))) It's nice to see that he is here in a clear minority))
      1. solodova 24 August 2011 09: 53 New
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        True, they will not read it, but those present here, I hope, will convey to them our congratulations. (except balliana) ;-))
        It’s a pity, I personally don’t know a single one now, therefore I congratulate you in absentia.
      2. SAVA
        SAVA 24 August 2011 14: 32 New
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        HERE AND THEME !!! ABOUT NKVEDIS with machine guns and machine guns that were behind the soldiers who went into battle with rifles is not funny. YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT VETERANS most of them NKVEDESHNIKI LIVE and hearty old man, which is now the PEOPLE NOT MUCH LOVE AND THIS dislike they transmit their grandchildren who work in the police and all sorts detriment of their own people (the Sagra, Kushchevskaya, Politkovskaya's murder, murder of Yegor Sviridov ) LIST YEAR NEEDED
        1. chehywed 24 August 2011 23: 19 New
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          SAVA, detachments engaged in business not related to firing on their own. This was invented again in order to belittle OUR Victory. They say the Russians are such cowards that they won’t go on the attack without a machine gun or hold on to the trench .. And the detachments, spies and deserters, of course, were caught by detachments. And several divisions of the NKVD fought like ordinary rifle. And the border guards who took the first blow belonged to the NKVD. The Germans were taken to capture the frontier post from 2 to 6 hours. And the outposts were held for several days! And in the rear, the enkavedeshniki fished for all sorts of scum. And you all recorded in the guard.
          1. SAVA
            SAVA 24 August 2011 23: 41 New
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            HOW EVERYONE HAS KNOWED WITH SOME INFORMATION I AGREE, WHY DIDN'T THERE DRUG DRUGS NOW !!! ??
            1. chehywed 25 August 2011 00: 00 New
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              Duc of the NKVD is no more. smile
              1. SAVA
                SAVA 25 August 2011 00: 04 New
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                wink BECAUSE THAT THE SAME IT IS RECEIVED HOLY PLACE ALMOST AL AS !!! ??? And the FSB AND OUR SBU IS NOT THEIR REACTIONS !! ???
                1. chehywed 25 August 2011 00: 12 New
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                  Looks like degeneracy among them. The breed is smaller. sad
                  1. SAVA
                    SAVA 25 August 2011 00: 21 New
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                    Well, at least what peace but provide, without them, even worse !!!
  13. ESCANDER
    ESCANDER 23 August 2011 18: 24 New
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    Well done, our grandfathers.
    Thank you very much.
    Now everything is not going smoothly in the tank (as in other things then), but somehow, with “God's help and such and such a mother”, hope remains for simple and reliable equipment and the Soviet (now - Russian) soldier. The most savvy, unpretentious and universal.
    (Grandfather participated, tore off his leg.)
    1. PSih2097 23 August 2011 22: 26 New
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      Especially smiled: German with PPSh at 2.38
  14. SOLDIERru
    SOLDIERru 23 August 2011 22: 09 New
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    The peculiarity of the Battle of Kursk is that in it, Soviet troops could embody their most powerful strengths. These include stability in static defense, which appeared in 43, the ability to deliver powerful concentrated strikes by large armored forces. The Germans, in this kind of battle, in no way could realize their most powerful side, the ability to maneuver with their available forces.
    PS Our grandfathers of course bow to the earth. But the Germans, of course, were not idiots. And they knew how to fight. I would even say that before 44, they excelled us in military art.
    1. chehywed 23 August 2011 23: 46 New
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      Of course, he was a strong German warrior, and he was able to advance and was assiduous in defense. But Stalingrad in 1942, Kuban, Kursk, Kiev, Smolensk, Bryansk, Leningrad in 1943, so we already exceeded.
      1. His
        His 23 August 2011 23: 48 New
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        I must say that we defeated then united Europe with all their industrial potential and technical superiority
        1. ballian
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          This is the funniest thing - we look at the production of military equipment in the USSR and "united Europe" and compare - it turns out that supposedly united Europe is compared to the limit of the militarized USSR.
  15. His
    His 23 August 2011 23: 42 New
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    Such victories make history. The West stubbornly does not want to remember them. For this is our greatness. The greatness of the spirit and strength of the Russian people. For another hundred years, the Germans will not poke our heads if history is remembered
    1. borkovn
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      Since 1948, the West Germans live and work as normal people. And how about YOURSELF, how do they live? WHO WHO WON?
  16. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav 24 August 2011 03: 17 New
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    Happy Veterans! Eternal memory to the fallen heroes! Happy birthday to figs! All the best.
  17. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav 24 August 2011 03: 20 New
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    All veterans on a holiday !!! Eternal memory to the fallen heroes !!!
  18. zczczc
    zczczc 24 August 2011 03: 41 New
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    Glory to the soldiers!
    We will not let proliferate the victories of our grandfathers!

    The victory in the Great Patriotic War is so apolitical and concrete that it is more than Soviet - it is national and even family for everyone who lives today. We really knocked out our independence in 1945, and now we are losing it, losing every day ...
  19. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav 24 August 2011 03: 48 New
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    I apologize for repeated messages - the Internet is buggy. what
  20. svvaulsh
    svvaulsh 24 August 2011 13: 31 New
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    On mil.ru (the website of the Ministry of Defense) there are archival documents about the Battle of Kursk. It describes in detail the correlation and alignment of forces, the course of the battle, losses on both sides in all divisions. Believe the documents, and not all the speculations of a computer strategist from a psycho. dispensary.
    1. ballian
      ballian 24 August 2011 13: 59 New
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      I apologize for the banality, there is no one "document-truth", there are different documents that historians filter and compare and a picture of history is created from this mosaic - historical studies are written - and liars are engaged in "speculation", -the general losses of the Germans in the Battle of Kursk - for both period - the offensive and defensive are within 200 thousand - no more documents can be obtained.
  21. SAVA
    SAVA 24 August 2011 14: 15 New
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    EARTHWAY TO OUR ANCESTORS !!!!!! WE REMEMBER ABOUT THE EXPLOIT WHO PERFORMED OUR BOLD AND GOOD SOVIET PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!
  22. Banshee 24 August 2011 16: 25 New
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    ballian, but at least prove yourself. Give figures, facts. They prove only one thing - your personal inferiority. A sort of Tomsk stormtrooper with a portrait of St. Adolf on the wall and a volume of rezun (Suvorov) at the head of the bed.
    The bottom line is one. May 1945 of the year.
    I think you have nothing to cover.
    Therefore, calm down, decent people gather here. And do not like that your ideals do not cultivate - your problems.
    1. ballian
      ballian 24 August 2011 17: 58 New
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      I looked at this site for two years, once decided to register - this is not a specialized site about the second war, so it is of little interest to me -
      if the majority of those who are really interested on this site - they will not argue with me - I'm sorry to have bothered.
      1. ESCANDER
        ESCANDER 24 August 2011 18: 16 New
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        Sorry.
        But still strange ... Two years to watch and then decide to register ...
        How tall are you?
        No offense - do not reach the giraffe?
    2. borkovn
      borkovn 24 August 2011 21: 24 New
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      Who lives better? "WINNERS" or "WINNING? I do not wait for an answer. Life itself said.
  23. vlbelugin 24 August 2011 21: 26 New
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    Do not peck strongly ballian. It's not his fault
    What they put in his head, he says.
    These are the first calls to the fact that when our generation leaves and a little younger, no one will defend the truth of our fathers and grandfathers.
    Modern authorities have done everything to create ballian-nov. In our history books on the Battle of Kursk, several pages have been written. And now about the entire Great Patriotic War a few lines.
    ballian is a product of Fursenko and DAM.
    1. mitrich
      mitrich 24 August 2011 21: 32 New
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      Nothing like this. He understands everything perfectly. He just jokes. He likes it when we mugs get nervous and angry. This is a new generation of advanced I-net users.
  24. SAVA
    SAVA 24 August 2011 21: 43 New
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    vlbelugin, CORRECTLY IT IS NECESSARY TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND ANALYZE WHAT A PERSON OF A CERTAIN GENERATION IN THE HEAD AND MAKE CONCLUSIONS, SIMPLY SPEAKING "WHERE BREATHES", MAYBE IT IS PERFORMANTLY NOT ASAP.
  25. vlbelugin 24 August 2011 22: 10 New
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    Is it possible to relieve stress a little?
    In our regiment there was a chief of communications of the regiment, a knight of the Order of the Red Star. Missile regiments were usually formed on the bases of jet mortars during the war. Therefore, the personnel were not spoiled by orders. Parts yes, had many rewards. And then a signalman and suddenly an order. They pestered him as he received it, for which.
    Here is his story.
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    In 44, he graduated from the Communications School and was sent to the Leningrad Front as the communications chief of the Marine Corps battalion.
    Arrived at the location of the battalion at the CP at the time of the offensive. He wanted to report to the battalion commander, but he waved him off. One company lay under a dagger machine-gun fire battalion commander is not up to him.
    The battalion commander calls the company - no one answers. Shouts - there are signalmen. Silence.
    Glance falls on the second lieutenant. Who are you? Head of communications battalion ml. Lieutenant Ivanov. Are you not a signalman? Establish a connection with the company.
    I took the coil with the wire and crawled. I watch one signalman killed, the second. He crawled to the NP company. NP scattered explosion. Around the dead officers. The phone is torn. I pick up the phone. The company commander is the voice of a battalion commander. I say no officers. All are killed. And who are you? Head of communications battalion ml. Lieutenant Ivanov. You're not an officer. Raise the company to attack.
    I took out a TT and, as they taught at the school, I jumped onto a parapet (a company was lying right in front of the trenches). For the motherland, for Stalin's attack. Hooray! The company is lying. Everything whistles around, explosions. And next to me lies a sailor. A sapper shovel is stuck in the ground, and he digs a hole with his hands in order to hide his head.
    I felt so upset that I would die, but he would remain alive. He took a spatula and flat on the ass with all the dope as he gave. The sailor probably thought that it was a bullet and in a wild voice howled yell aaaaaaaa. The company went on the attack - Hurray!
    For this he was awarded the Order.
    _____________________________________
    He was a little shy. But we didn’t push the nickels. That's life. Everything happens in war. After all, he is also a hero. Not everyone can stand on the parapet under machine guns.
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 24 August 2011 23: 43 New
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      My grandfather Vasily was also a signalman, after the war he was in charge of communications in the Western Group of Forces, but the Order of Lenin, 2 red stars, a medal for military services and much more, all military ones. In general, it so happened that all my grandfathers were either radio operators or signalmen, and fate did not spare me, my father was only a tankman. Karma ypt.
  26. markir
    markir 26 August 2011 02: 02 New
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    A low bow to the war veterans. The battle in its intensity and bitterness, in scope, takes its rightful place in world history ..
    Although, of course, about 1200 tanks in the battle of Prokhorovka and 400 tanks destroyed by the Germans - an exaggeration. P
    By the way, according to Isaev, the Germans during the July counterattacks on the Miuss bridgehead lost more people in their SS divisions than under Prokhorovka.