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UEC supplied the engines for IL-112В in Voronezh

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The United Engine Corporation, part of the state corporation Rostec, supplied two TV7-117CT engines to equip the first prototype of the Il-112В military transport aircraft, the website reports JDC


The engines were delivered on time and in accordance with the obligations under the contract of JSC "UEC" with JSC "Il"
- the report says.

IL-112 - a long-developed project of a light (with a maximum load of up to six tons) transport aircraft. The project progressed with difficulty due to non-rhythmic funding and problems with engines that did not develop installed capacity. Earlier, the Ministry of Defense refused to finance the fine-tuning of the IL-112 and purchase these aircraft, however, in the 2013, work on the machine was resumed. The version of the aircraft for the military is called IL-112В and is intended to replace the An-26 aircraft. In total, according to experts of Ilyushin, the company plans to build up to 2030 Il-200 aircraft of all modifications up to 112.

The twin-engine machine must be equipped with TV7-117CT turboprop engines developed by Klimov (part of the JDC). Bench tests of the engine at Klimov began in September of the 2016 of the year and will continue until the 2019 of the year. Under this program, 16 TV7-117CT test units will be released, including the IL-112B flight test engines. TV7-117CT is a deep modernization of the TV7-117CM engine in terms of increasing power, resource and reliability. Its power at maximum take-off mode is 3000 horsepower, at increased emergency mode - 3600 horsepower.

Earlier, the general designer of JSC "Il" Nikolai Talikov said that the Il-112В aircraft must make the first flight on June 30. However, he did not rule out that the date of the first departure could be “shifted to the right” by about a month, since simultaneously with the production of the aircraft, the tasks of replacing imported components, including Ukrainian ones, are being solved.
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  1. figwam
    figwam April 5 2017 19: 52 New
    10
    The plane will be beautiful.
    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT April 5 2017 20: 00 New
      +6
      The workhorse in the troops will be and not only in the troops. And for export you can sell a huge market.
      1. cost
        cost April 5 2017 20: 27 New
        14
        light transport aircraft IL-112V

        IL-112 is intended for transportation of a wide range of various cargoes weighing up to 6 tons at a distance of up to 6000 km. Features The IL-112 is superior to its analogues in range and flight speed, when it is possible to operate from short runways, in any geographical and climatic conditions, day or night, in simple and difficult weather conditions. One of the main features of the aircraft is the ability to operate in small, low-equipped airports with both concrete and unpaved surfaces of runways. The aircraft is also characterized by high fuel efficiency and increased, in comparison with machines of the same class, height and width of the cargo compartment.
        Characteristics of the aircraft:
        profile - screw monoplane with upright straight wing
        crew - 2 pilots
        passenger capacity - 44
        load capacity - 6 t
        length - 23,49 m
        wing span - 25,74 m
        height - 8,9 m
        curb weight - 15 t
        normal take-off weight - 20,4 t
        Max. take-off weight - 21 t
        fuel capacity - 7900 l
        The main characteristics of the power plant:
        number of engines - 2
        engine type - turboprop
        engine - TV7-117ST
        power - 2 × 2800 hp
        propeller - single-row six-blade AV-112
        screw diameter - 3,9 m
        thrust - 3 645 kgf
        afterburner traction - 4 kgf
        fuel consumption - 500 kg / hour
        Aircraft performance:
        maximum speed - 550 km / h
        cruising speed - 480 km / h
        practical range - 1 km at maximum load, 000 km - 3 tons
        ferry range - 5 km
        practical ceiling - 7 m
        take-off run - 870 m
        run length - 600 m
        1. cniza
          cniza April 5 2017 20: 56 New
          +7
          This is a good and necessary thing. Successes.
          1. Vz.58
            Vz.58 April 5 2017 21: 24 New
            +6
            Am I ashamed of your comments? If alone, I regret Russia
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 April 5 2017 21: 29 New
              15
              Quote: Vz.58
              Am I ashamed of your comments? If alone, I regret Russia

              But am I also ashamed of you alone? I respect your opinion, but Russia does not need your pity. yes
            2. bulvas
              bulvas April 5 2017 21: 33 New
              12
              Quote: Vz.58
              Am I ashamed of your comments? If alone, I regret Russia


              “Shameful,” “sorry”?

              Have you done a lot?

              They found finances, raised production, developed technology, found specialists, organized logistics?

              It’s a shame for those years when everyone destroyed and plundered,

              Now: you can - do it, you cannot - .....
              As the poet said:
              Take your feelings in check
              Do not hehe and do not agay
              Fulfilled the plan - go to ....
              Not done - go to ....


              1. Samaritan
                Samaritan April 6 2017 09: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: bulvas
                Quote: Vz.58
                Am I ashamed of your comments? If alone, I regret Russia

                “Shameful,” “sorry”?
                Have you done a lot?
                They found finances, raised production, developed technology, found specialists, organized logistics?
                It’s a shame for those years when everyone destroyed and plundered,
                Now: you can - do it, you cannot - .....
                As the poet said:
                Take your feelings in check
                Do not hehe and do not agay
                Fulfilled the plan - go to ....
                Not done - go to ....


                It's five! So THEM!
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas April 6 2017 12: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Samaritan
                  It's five! So THEM!


                  Exactly!
            3. without reverse
              without reverse April 5 2017 23: 23 New
              +2
              I’m not ashamed .. but somehow sad.
      2. AUL
        AUL April 6 2017 13: 26 New
        0
        In total, according to experts of Ilyushin, by 2030 the company plans to build up to 200 Il-112 aircraft of all modifications.
        The planes will do something. But with the engines for them it is possible strained. Something for the Klimovites is going tight for now.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 5 2017 20: 02 New
    +1
    "In total, according to the estimates of Ilyushin specialists, by 2030 the company plans to build up to 200 Il-112 aircraft of all modifications."
    "Bench tests of the engine at Klimov began in September 2016 and will last until 2019."

    That is, dvigun will be in 2020, the plane still, somewhere, a year later, and by 2030 they promise already 200 pieces? request Ambitious statements.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov April 5 2017 20: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      That is, dvigun will be in 2020, the plane still, somewhere, a year later, and by 2030 they promise already 200 pieces? request Ambitious statements.

      Are you still not used to them?
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT April 5 2017 20: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Pirogov
        Quote: Vladimirets
        That is, dvigun will be in 2020, the plane still, somewhere, a year later, and by 2030 they promise already 200 pieces? request Ambitious statements.

        Are you still not used to them?

        He has long been accustomed and screaming and aching at the whole site after seeing something worthwhile .. wassat So everything is fine, men work! Create, and this is important ..
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 April 5 2017 21: 15 New
          +1
          An-24 also needs to be changed. But there is practically no talk about the passenger version.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets April 5 2017 21: 18 New
          +7
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          screams and whines on the whole site after seeing something worthwhile ..

          Firstly, I have NOT seen anything worthwhile, but only READ how good it will be. And secondly, you would need to more adequately assess the surrounding reality.
          "Delirium (lat. Delirio) is often defined as a disorder of thinking with the appearance of painful representations, reasoning and conclusions that do not correspond to reality, in which the patient is completely, unshakably convinced and which cannot be corrected." wink
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT April 5 2017 21: 55 New
            +4
            Quote: Vladimirets
            "Delirium (lat. Delirio) is often defined as a disorder of thinking with the appearance of painful representations, reasoning and conclusions that do not correspond to reality, in which the patient is completely, unshakably convinced and which cannot be corrected.

            In, you are talking about OUR engines, you make such conclusions .. and this diagnosis is more suitable for you (judging by the nervous reaction to any criticism ..)))
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets April 5 2017 21: 57 New
              +3
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              judging by the nervous reaction to any criticism.

              Do you imagine criticism so-so? belay
              1. Ulan
                Ulan April 5 2017 22: 01 New
                +1
                As constructive criticism, not nagging.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets April 5 2017 22: 07 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Ulan
                  not nagging.

                  What is nagging here? My doubts? I am sincerely happy if you get warm airplanes on paper.
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 5 2017 21: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Vladimirets
      That is, dvigun will be in 2020, the plane still, somewhere, a year later, and by 2030 they promise already 200 pieces? Ambitious statements.

      Not certainly in that way. There is an engine and it will already be put on manufactured aircraft. The engine problem is a relatively low resource, now it is 3 times lower than that of the similar Motor Sich engine. In the near future they plan to increase it, so the gap will be 2 times. Well, and accordingly, all the remaining time will be brought to the motor, raising its reliability, power and motor resource. But the planes will already go into series, as the fleet of old An-26 has long been in need of replacement.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 5 2017 21: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        the fleet of old An-26 has long been in need of replacement.

        This is understandable, there is nothing to discuss here.
        Quote: svp67
        But the planes will already go into series

        With an unreliable engine?
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 5 2017 21: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: Vladimirets
          With an unreliable engine?

          Why unreliable? Within the declared motor resource, and this is more than 2500 hours, it is quite reliable. But Motor Sich has 8000 hours. Ours simply have to raise this figure.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets April 5 2017 21: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            Within the declared motor resource, and this is more than 2500 hours, it is quite reliable. But Motor Sich has 8000 hours.

            Well, well, much less reliable than MS, will that work? You will not argue that an engine with a lesser resource is less reliable?
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 5 2017 21: 48 New
              +7
              Quote: Vladimirets
              You will not argue that an engine with a lesser resource is less reliable?

              I will. You do not forget that aviation has its own laws, there the unit, assembly, part are replaced when its life is exceeded, regardless of the condition. Our specialists will be forced to more often replace the engine. But within the declared motor resources it is RELIABLE.
              1. Karaul73
                Karaul73 April 5 2017 23: 00 New
                +1
                It may be reliable, but not effective.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 April 6 2017 07: 21 New
                +3
                Quote: svp67
                But within the declared motor resources it is RELIABLE.

                The Chinese also say so about their dviguny (the same 2-3 thousand hours), but they buy from us!
          2. not main
            not main April 5 2017 23: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            Why unreliable? Within the declared motor resource, and this is more than 2500 hours, it is quite reliable. But Motor Sich has 8000 hours. Ours simply have to raise this figure.

            By the way, TV2-117 and TV3-117 produced by Motor Sich had a resource of 850 to 1000 hours!
    3. Skif100500
      Skif100500 April 5 2017 21: 28 New
      +1
      So the series is being built much faster than the development and testing is going on ... As soon as all the rigging is done, the construction itself is nothing complicated, the same aircraft is technologically simple.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 5 2017 21: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Skif100500
        So the series is being built much faster than the development and testing is going on ... As soon as all the rigging is done, the construction itself is nothing complicated, the same aircraft is technologically simple.

        I am not saying that this is impossible, I am saying that it is ambitious. It turns out 20 planes a year, of course, they surrendered more superjets, but there are other possibilities. Apparently, the IL-112 VASO will be built, and the SS-100 KnAAZ, where there is much more money and capacity.
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT April 5 2017 22: 02 New
          +3
          Vladimirovts have already explained everything to you!
          Quote: svp67
          I will. You do not forget that aviation has its own laws, there the unit, assembly, part are replaced when its life is exceeded, regardless of its condition. Our specialists will be forced to more often replace the engine. But within the declared motor resources it is RELIABLE.

          Why are you so restless then .. hi
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets April 5 2017 22: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            Vladimirovets VM have already explained everything!

            Department, what does your copy-paste have to do with my previous post? That's who the restless or, as they say in our village, in each barrel a stopper.
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 5 2017 21: 47 New
      0
      Usually in modern airplanes they use more than one engine variant ... tightened with ours, put an imported one ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 5 2017 22: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Usually in modern airplanes they use more than one engine variant ... tightened with ours, put an imported one ...

        Alas, for this plane there is no where to get them yet. Since it will be delivered to our aircraft, any such delivery is subject to sanctions, which means no repairs, no parts ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 5 2017 22: 02 New
          +2
          The same topic with the Mi-8-24-28. For export with Ukrainian engines, to itself with VK-2500. The bad thing is that there are no Ukrainian analogues ...
        2. dauria
          dauria April 5 2017 22: 18 New
          0
          Alas, for this plane there is no where to get them yet.

          Yes, they won’t. But these engines in the Ukrainian An-132 ...

          Powerplant: 2 × PW150A turboprop (Pratt & Whitney Canada)
          Engine power: 2 × 5071 ks (2 × 3782 kW) (each take-off power)
          Propeller: six-bladed R408 Dowty Propellers

          We are making a plane that has already been developed by Ukrainians. Fun. But it could be normal. Missed - pay. And in the foreign market it will be difficult for us to deal with this airplane.
          Or maybe for the best, at least learn how to make engines ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 5 2017 22: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: dauria
            We are making a plane that has already been developed by Ukrainians. Fun. But it could be normal. Missed - pay. And in the foreign market it will be difficult for us to deal with this airplane.

            Not certainly in that way. I'm on the plane account. "Il" is a more modern aircraft, with great capabilities, built from scratch according to modern requirements and taking into account the transportation of new equipment. "New" is the same "An", new in quotation marks, it is a MODERNIZED Soviet An-32, with all the ensuing advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that the aircraft has already flown and checked, it is very reliable, the disadvantage is that it was designed for other requirements. Well, it's better to see once than hear twice. See for yourself. The An-132 has the same geometric dimensions as the An-32, and the one, respectively, is the same as the An-26. See for yourself
    5. Samaritan
      Samaritan April 6 2017 09: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "In total, according to the estimates of Ilyushin specialists, by 2030 the company plans to build up to 200 Il-112 aircraft of all modifications."
      "Bench tests of the engine at Klimov began in September 2016 and will last until 2019."
      That is, dvigun will be in 2020, the plane still, somewhere, a year later, and by 2030 they promise already 200 pieces? request Ambitious statements.

      By 1993, TV7-117C was developed for the regional aircraft IL-114. In 1997, the engine was certified, and today it is installed on the AN-140, IL-114 and IL-114T aircraft.
      TV7-117ST is a deep modernization of the TV7-117CM engine
      This is a new and cool engine for decades. On the basis of the aircraft TV7-117C, the helicopter engines TV7-117V (VM) for the Mi-38 and its modifications, TV7-117VK for the modernization of the Mi-28, Ka-50 and Ka-52, were developed and tested.
  3. UVB
    UVB April 5 2017 20: 06 New
    +3
    first departure date can be “shifted to the right”
    I wish that the dates at least sometimes shifted to the left!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 5 2017 22: 04 New
      +1
      Even 9 women cannot bear one child in 1 month. For a certain process, you need a certain time.
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids April 5 2017 20: 07 New
    +3
    When will we have our own aviation, without foreign planes, or foreign components for our trucks or passenger cars?
    1. Muvka
      Muvka April 5 2017 20: 11 New
      +3
      And tell me a country that has "its own aviation, without foreign planes, or foreign components." Very interesting to see. I'm waiting.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 April 5 2017 20: 36 New
        0
        We are in this position (and for a long time and more than once will be in the same position) that required a fairly large range of products to have their own production. Visual examples explaining this fact are enough.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 5 2017 21: 03 New
          +2
          But if even the USA with its powerful economy and technology cannot afford it, then this is extremely difficult and costly ...
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 April 5 2017 21: 10 New
            +1
            Huh? And why did everything work out under the Union? And we are not talking about EVERYTHING, but there are strategic products. If KIMPs can be quickly replaced with your own in case of another bzdyk, then for God's sake, you can (and even need) to buy over the hill.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka April 5 2017 21: 23 New
              +1
              Remind me how many countries were in the Union and how many were people. And also budget expenses for all this business.
        2. Skif100500
          Skif100500 April 5 2017 21: 31 New
          +1
          -)) Big does not mean everything ... In the current situation, we can’t do everything ourselves, we don’t have enough people to do everything from needles to rockets.
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 5 2017 22: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Muvka
        And tell me a country that has "its own aviation, without foreign planes, or foreign components." Very interesting to see. I'm waiting.

        Of course there aren’t any. Globalization is doing its job.
      3. yehat
        yehat April 6 2017 14: 27 New
        0
        go fishing, there are so many aviation! And, most importantly, without foreign components, you will immediately understand where such a country is. laughing
    2. Genry
      Genry April 5 2017 22: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      When will we have our own aviation, without other people's planes,

      Do you have a training manual about “all polymers have been fucked up”, reprinted in the new edition?
      Its aviation is now creeping out of the underground.
      All military aviation, in a relatively good development tone. The citizen is also recovering. Superjet100 rocked, the MS-21 is being prepared, and the development of regional projects (IL-114) and local agricultural level is underway.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS April 5 2017 20: 12 New
    +1
    Let's hope that the IL-112 project will reach the stage of mass production, although some data say that the project will fail
    1. Genry
      Genry April 5 2017 21: 19 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      although some data say that the project will fail

      Well .... Where are the data?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 5 2017 21: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Genry
        Well .... Where are the data?

        Aircraft design began in the first half of the 1990s

        the general customer (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) completely suspended the financing of the project, and invited the developers (AK named after S.V. Ilyushin) to independently find funds (about 800 million rubles) for the assembly of four prototypes [

        In May 2011, the Russian Ministry of Defense decided to abandon the military transport version of the Il-112 and purchase 7 An-140 cargo-modified aircraft. July 20, 2011 the assembly of the experimental car was stopped

        Few ? Still write?
        1. Ulan
          Ulan April 5 2017 22: 08 New
          +4
          So what? Where are the grounds? In the nineties they didn’t build anything at all, are there grounds for asserting that there will be nothing today?
          Maybe it’s time to remember that we inherited from Yeltsin-Chubais-Gaidar-Khristenko?
          Well, at least that they were not able to completely destroy the aviation industry.
          And now we want to reach the world level in ten years.
          And I want, but you have to be realistic.
          Superjet, IL-112, Yak-130, IL-476, soon the MS-21 will do. Helicopters.
          Well, of course I would like more, but not to see that the case has moved off the ground. impossible.
        2. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn April 5 2017 22: 19 New
          +1
          and Taburetkina personally do not want to quote? his "fateful" decision is already in the trash, and the IL-112 aircraft is assembled in metal and will fly by autumn
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 5 2017 22: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: nov_tech.vrn
            his "fateful" decision is already in the trash

            The decision is in the trash, and Taburetkin is in the UAC.
        3. Genry
          Genry April 5 2017 22: 34 New
          0
          Quote: APASUS

          In May 2011, the Russian Ministry of Defense decided to abandon the military transport version of the Il-112 and purchase 7 An-140 cargo-modified aircraft. July 20, 2011 the assembly of the experimental car was stopped

          Few ? Still write?

          This was before the decision was made to continue development. Then there was no engine and the hope for the Ukrainian plane was built.
          So write more ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 5 2017 22: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Genry
            It was before

            That's right, it was in the life that was before. Since 2014, a new countdown has begun, life AFTER.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS April 6 2017 18: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Genry
            So write more ...

            There will be a contract for 100 cars for our Moscow Region. It will be possible to say that the car took place, but for now, who is waiting for someone there is not clear, but there is no car!
            1. Genry
              Genry April 6 2017 19: 25 New
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              There will be a contract for 100 cars for our Moscow Region. It will be possible to say that the car took place, but for now, who is waiting for someone there is not clear, but there is no car!

              Nobody will give you a contract for 10 years in advance. They will conclude for a year or two, taking into account changes in prices and expanding production capabilities. And the fact that these contracts will already exist is the history of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which has signed a contract for the development of IL-112 and a government program for financing the engine (which is also the case in IL-114). Everything goes sequentially and throw out half the money and not get the product, nobody will do it. Capitalism damn it ...
              The Il-112 program will crash and the Il-114 will crash automatically. They have a lot in common (engines, avionics, actuators ...).
              1. APASUS
                APASUS April 6 2017 19: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Genry
                Nobody will give you a contract for 10 years in advance.

                In the aviation complex, contracts are concluded for the number of cars, and not for the time. Prices are always minimal for such lots, and for such a plant 100 cars is exactly 9-10 years
                Quote: Genry
                . Everything goes sequentially and throw out half the money and not get the product, nobody will do it. Capitalism damn ..

                No one immediately transfers money for 100 cars. It’s normal practice when there is an advance payment and the balance after receiving the car. And so on for each car.
                Quote: Genry
                The Il-112 program will crash and the Il-114 will crash automatically. They have a lot in common (engines, avionics, actuators ...).

                It will not crash, it just won’t start, it can end on 1-2 cars
                1. Genry
                  Genry April 7 2017 00: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: APASUS
                  In the aviation complex, contracts are concluded for the number of cars, and not for the time. Prices are always minimal for such lots, and for such a plant 100 cars is exactly 9-10 years

                  Time contract? Well, you came up with! Childhood?
                  You want to say that for 10 years everything will remain as it was, the prices for the plane, for components, for avionics, for materials, ...? That the aircraft will not be upgraded (while the price will float). In addition, the MO expressed a desire to buy more than 100 IL-112V if their production is expanded (increasing the capacity of the enterprise, which usually happens with working industries).
                  Knowing this, no one has signed a contract for more than 2 years. An agreement of intent - please, at least for 1000 years, but there are no prices and no firm obligations.
                  Quote: APASUS
                  No one immediately transfers money for 100 cars. It’s normal practice when there is an advance payment and the balance after receiving the car. And so on for each car.

                  Advance payment is transferred before the start of production, for the purchase of materials and components, and not for one aircraft, but for the entire series (contract). Money can be transferred according to the schedule of the degree of readiness or at the end (then the price of concluding the contract rises, taking into account the cost of the loan).
                  Quote: APASUS
                  It will not crash, it just won’t start, it can end on 1-2 cars

                  Here, several projects are linked into one node. At least one puncture, and all the rest are useless. Given the financing of all OCD, this simply cannot happen already. Financially tied MO, government, and funds of the aviation corporation. The train has already accelerated, and you’ll stop it. There are no fools who would abandon an already completed project.
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS April 7 2017 16: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Genry
                    Time contract? Well, you came up with! Childhood?

                    Reversed? Whose words are these?
                    Quote: Genry
                    They will conclude for a year or two, taking into account changes in prices and expanding production capabilities.

                    Quote: Genry
                    You want to say that for 10 years everything will remain as it was, the prices for the plane, for components, for avionics, for materials, ...

                    I want to say that the price of a batch is minimal, but the price is discussed for each machine, specifics, terms, there are many factors affecting the price.
                    .
                    Quote: Genry
                    Knowing this, no one has signed a contract for more than 2 years. An agreement of intent - please, at least for 1000 years, but there are no prices and no firm obligations.

                    What kind of kindergarten? How to buy Boeings, Airbases not in pieces, but in years? Here is a good example:
                    Bombardier currently has solid orders for one hundred CSeries aircraft - 38 CS100 and 62 CS300

                    Quote: Genry
                    Advance payment is transferred before the start of production, for the purchase of materials and components, and not for one aircraft, but for the entire series (contract).

                    I say how foreign partners pay for contracts, settlement schemes may vary
                    Quote: Genry
                    Here, several projects are linked into one node. At least one puncture, and all the rest are useless. Given the financing of all OCD, this simply cannot happen already.

                    Well, yes it can’t.
                    And what about the fate of IL-114, Tu-324. Was there little money invested?
                    1. Genry
                      Genry April 7 2017 23: 13 New
                      0
                      Quote: APASUS
                      Reversed? Whose words are these?

                      You would still catch me that they pay for the air.
                      For naive people, I specify, the contract indicates the number of products, cost and execution time - TIME of the contract. It makes no sense to me to discuss prices and quantity (no questions). But I also discussed time with you.
                      Quote: APASUS
                      I want to say that the price of a batch is minimal, but the price is discussed for each machine, specifics, terms, there are many factors affecting the price.

                      "party" - You have some kind of slang, like a perfume merchant.
                      What does the price mean? Zero?
                      The price of the contract goes immediately to the entire series. In addition to the base price, there may be options that can be (for each aircraft) taken into account in the contract or ordered and paid separately (then a little more expensive).
                      Quote: APASUS
                      What kind of kindergarten? How to buy Boeings, Airbases not in pieces, but for years?

                      Are you pretending or seriously ...
                      Quote: APASUS
                      Bombardier currently has solid orders for one hundred CSeries aircraft - 38 CS100 and 62 CS300

                      You pulled this phrase out of context, in which it was apparently a question of the degree of recoupment of the OCD of the project (usually about 100 aircraft). In the initial period of production, they calculate this hundred (approximately), then to reach the payback and further profit.
                      Quote: APASUS
                      I say how foreign partners pay for contracts, settlement schemes may vary

                      Keep silent ...
                      Quote: APASUS
                      Well, yes it can’t.
                      And what about the fate of IL-114, Tu-324. Was there little money invested?

                      IL-114 is just tied to IL-112 (unified), for engines, avionics, mechanics, materials and components. So their fate is common.
                      Tu-324. Well, how can I tell you ... The flawed and ambitious stupidity of dullness with the installation of engines behind the wings broke off. At certain speeds and angles of attack, there was a shadowing by the wings of the air flow into the engines, which is why they stopped, followed by a flat corkscrew. These modes arose in different situations, and planes crashed very often. When we figured out what was the matter, then the military on a similar Tu-22 aircraft carried the air intakes forward (Tu-22m ...) and the accident rate dropped sharply.
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS April 8 2017 21: 59 New
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                        Quote: Genry
                        Keep silent ...

                        Of course, I’ll keep silent about what I’m talking to, as I reached the beginning of the workshop in a machine-building enterprise, but it looks like Tupolev’s hat puts pressure on his turnip, it remains only to envy ....................
  6. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 5 2017 20: 34 New
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    Quote: APASUS
    Let's hope that the IL-112 project will reach the stage of mass production, although some data say that the project will fail

    With such a government, everything is still possible! hi
    1. Vz.58
      Vz.58 April 5 2017 21: 05 New
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      Both Americans and Europeans, or rather different companies, buy what is beneficial to them. Only Russian patriots serve everything Russian! When will you bring Russian tomatoes to the stores? Or milk, which milk? When will the board "NUMBER ONE" on the Russian avionics and with GLONASS fly? A particular question for engines. Connoisseurs! Is everything Russian there?
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 April 5 2017 21: 21 New
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        Russia can gradually do ALL at home (absolutely everything). The union was easier, not even because of the presence of another 14 “brotherly sisters,” but because of the absence of internal enemies (not only all choral, but also incompetent management).
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets April 5 2017 21: 46 New
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          Quote: samoletil18
          The union was easier, not even because of the presence of another 14 “brotherly sisters,” but because of the absence of internal enemies (not only all choral, but also incompetent management).

          It was easier for the union in that it could easily redirect resources (economic, human, material) in different directions, huge funds did not flow into the pockets of individuals, and the population as a whole was not yet struck by the consumption mania.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan April 5 2017 22: 11 New
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            This is true. Here I completely agree. And the Union also had a guaranteed sales market - CMEA and other social services. country.
      2. Genry
        Genry April 5 2017 21: 38 New
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        Quote: Vz.58
        Both Americans and Europeans, or rather different companies, buy what is beneficial to them. Only Russian patriots serve everything Russian!

        And you have all the Russian household?
        Are the machines in production only Russian?
        And cars on the road ....?
        And vychtekhnika?
        That you strongly, with your dislike of patriots, have pinned!
        Quote: Vz.58
        When will you bring Russian tomatoes to the stores? Or milk, which milk?

        Tomatoes sell different varieties and different manufacturers. Milk - not tangerines, no problem! And they began to make cheeses and derivative milk ...
        Quote: Vz.58
        When will the board "NUMBER ONE" on the Russian avionics and with GLONASS fly?

        The plane is crammed with Russian electronics. What avionics are you writing about?
        Quote: Vz.58
        A particular question for engines. Connoisseurs! Is everything Russian there?

        What about engines? In military technology, the question is closed.
        With Ukrainian components-sent ukrov far. And where it is profitable to buy, look at the first paragraph of your absurdity.
      3. jonht
        jonht April 6 2017 05: 57 New
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        You won’t believe it, but the bot number 1 is really all Russian equipment! And there has never been anything else at the Presidential Bots ... But the interior trim is most likely Italian. laughing True, this does not affect the characteristics of bot No. 1.
    2. Vz.58
      Vz.58 April 5 2017 21: 15 New
      +1
      With such a government? Where have you been in the elections? Serve everything to you on a plate, and eat a fish and so that it is good? Don’t hit a finger and God forbid to mark your civic platform, but to be taken care of? Suckers and parasites, however. Deserve to be ... there!
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket April 5 2017 22: 30 New
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        Advertising cartoon about IL-112
        1. Genry
          Genry April 5 2017 22: 41 New
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          Didn’t find more shitty quality?
          Just to put on your channel ...
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      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain April 6 2017 01: 09 New
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        Quote: Vz.58
        With such a government?

        Submachine gunner, what about your government? Whatever it is, but it’s OUR and NOT YOUR government, if everything is fine in the Czech Republic, I’m happy for you, but it’s up to you, not we to decide which YOU government. yes
        Quote: Vz.58
        Serve everything to you on a plate, and eat a fish and so that it is good?

        And who did you call parasites here? negativeIf you yourself worked, you would not tryndel your broom. negative
        Quote: Vz.58
        Suckers and parasites, however

        For this, a person is nice, you can, and you need to break into your face, even better with your foot, so that next time I would think what to write. yes
        Quote: Vz.58
        Deserve to be ... there!

        You have long been .... there. tongue
  7. Mike2388
    Mike2388 April 5 2017 22: 46 New
    +5
    Quote: Vz.58
    With such a government? Where have you been in the elections? Serve everything to you on a plate, and eat a fish and so that it is good? Don’t hit a finger and God forbid to mark your civic platform, but to be taken care of? Suckers and parasites, however. Deserve to be ... there!


    Please tell me how much shit-eaters like you get such trolls? Or are you so stupid that you write all sorts of crap for free? Well, sadly, you write ...
  8. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov April 5 2017 22: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: Vz.58
    With such a government? Where have you been in the elections? Serve everything to you on a plate, and eat a fish and so that it is good? Don’t hit a finger and God forbid to mark your civic platform, but to be taken care of? Suckers and parasites, however. Deserve to be ... there!

    I was in the elections and always went and cho ?? shoot a wise guy sorry for the cons ...
  9. begemot20091
    begemot20091 April 6 2017 02: 49 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Vladimirets
    That is, dvigun will be in 2020, the plane still, somewhere, a year later, and by 2030 they promise already 200 pieces? Ambitious statements.

    Not certainly in that way. There is an engine and it will already be put on manufactured aircraft. The engine problem is a relatively low resource, now it is 3 times lower than that of the similar Motor Sich engine. In the near future they plan to increase it, so the gap will be 2 times. Well, and accordingly, all the remaining time will be brought to the motor, raising its reliability, power and motor resource. But the planes will already go into series, as the fleet of old An-26 has long been in need of replacement.

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    The solution is simpler: the Buryat-Nenets armored cavalry separate landing battalion on foot to Zaporozhye. And while Motor Sich delivers its own version, modify the Russian
  10. kos2910
    kos2910 April 6 2017 06: 27 New
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    The passenger option would not hurt for the internal lines ...
    1. Genry
      Genry April 6 2017 19: 42 New
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      Quote: kos2910
      The passenger option would not hurt for the internal lines ...

      As a near-regional "paxavos" restore IL-114. He has optimized for economical, intensive traffic.
  11. yehat
    yehat April 6 2017 14: 24 New
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    if the project succeeds, the army will make a large order, and civil aviation will follow it
  12. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff April 6 2017 16: 32 New
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    An-24 -1959-1960 (Ai-24)
    An-26-1968. (AI-24)
    An-32- 1976 (Ai-20)
    An-132 - 2017 (PW150A (Pratt & Whitney Canada)
    IL-112- 2017 (TV7-117ST)
    All the advantages of the IL-112, if he had the AI-24 or AI-20 - radio avionics, which allows you to save on 3 crew members. (From the point of view of civil aviation, this is a huge saving on salary - 50%. From the point of view of the military - complete garbage, there will still be a navigator and a flight attendant. The only thing is that there will probably be no flight attendant. (I remember, the school was the opposite of tuning the shortwave radio transmitter and "T-t-t-ta").
    So, the oldest adage about "would be an engine ..." - once again justifies itself.
    So all the hope for the engine. Judging by the promised, TV7-117ST will be very welcome, because before that the 117th were delivered from Zaporozhye. N-yes .. Watch the old film "Talent".
    Here on the latest modification of the An-24-26-32-132 engines - five thousandths slammed.
    Joy Poroshenko 31.03.2017/26/32 there was no limit: "Flies! Flies!" Well, of course! The slightly modernized An-XNUMX-XNUMX got the opportunity to take more fuel and cargo. Miracle! Miracle!
    In general, I wish our engine operators to do their best to establish a series of TV7 with reliability and circulation, like that of TV3
  13. Genry
    Genry April 9 2017 16: 02 New
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    APASUS,
    I am not a shop manager and I will never be. I had to go to college, and I ran into the institute.
    But your position says that you are not concerned with the problems of buying and selling airplanes. I am also far away, just wondering how you are.