Schwab holding will test laser for ice cutting

Holding "Shvabe" (part of the state corporation "Rostec") and the All-Russian Research Institute for Civil Defense and Emergencies of the Emergencies Ministry of Russia signed a protocol on conducting pilot tests of a prototype of a ship laser complex in the Arkhangelsk region, reports Interfax-AVN message of the press service of the holding "Shvabe".

As part of this document, in April 2017, the ice platforms of the region will be studied, the location for the experiment will be selected and the list of vessels that will take part in it will be determined.

- noted in the holding.

The shipborne laser installation was developed by the specialists of the Shvabe enterprise - the National Center for Laser Systems and Astrophysics Systems within the framework of the federal target program “Development of civilian marine technology” for 2009 - 2016 years.

The press service also reported that the holding equipment has a capacity of 200 kW and is capable of cutting ice to a thickness of one meter or more. Citing the words of Shvabe’s Director General Alexei Patrikeev, the press service added that this laser complex will guide any ships through ice fields regardless of their power and will allow creating a full-fledged year-round transport infrastructure in the subarctic and arctic regions of Russia to reduce the ice load on engineering structures operating on the continental shelf.

Pilot tests of our laser facility are scheduled in the Arkhangelsk region at the end of 2017,

- said A. Patrikeev.

The installation consists of a fiber laser, fiber optic cable, installation of guidance and focusing of the laser beam and the power supply system. In the course of operation, the ship's laser will determine the stress concentration lines in the ice cover, focus laser radiation on them, and carry out the thermal effect necessary to break the ice.

Comments

[MPK105]

Chubais nanolaser will be arctic nanolds SAW ...

[RUSOIVAN]

about a knife for chopping ice, they shot a whole film: "Basic Instinct." About IT, I'm even afraid to think that they will remove)))

[Mystery12345]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

about a knife for chopping ice, they shot a whole film: "Basic Instinct." About IT, I'm even afraid to think that they will remove)))

and think what is what? judging by the comment, no ...

[nik-karata]

200 kW and is able to cut ice thick to one meter or more.

The laser power is doubtful, and this is incomprehensible BEFORE ...! Or again, journalists attack professionalism? Maybe FROM one meter .... Although maybe I'm reading it wrong?)))

[Radius]

"Do" confuses understanding. It follows from the text that there will be no blunt ice cutting, but an incision in the place of stress concentration. But the ship is not a bunny. It moves in a straight line. And if a zone with an ice stress concentration does not occur at the direction of movement, then a laser of this power is nothing more than a toy. If you put the installation on a diesel vessel, then the fuel consumption will be about 50 liters per hour, or about 1,5 tons per day. With a fuel supply of about 600-800 tons, autonomy is markedly reduced.

[St Petrov]

Chubais nanolaser

Schwabe is Schwabe. Do not spoil the glorious name with the mention of Chubais

[MPK105]

Sorry, I won’t ...

[Mystery12345]

Quote: MPK105

Chubais nanolaser will be arctic nanolds SAW ...

stupid humor ... "Schwabe" is our Ural holding, the "red dog" has nothing to do with it.

[Couchexpert]

Finally! Now it will be something to "shoot down" from the roofs in winter!

[Smoked]

Yeah, they will please Matvienko.

[cost]

According to Klitschko, the phrase turns out: - "Not every sucker can be brought down by a laser from the roof, or rather, not only all suckers can be shot down, but up to one meter

[marshes]

At one time, Matvienko wanted to use a laser against icicles; her dream came true.

[shans2]

they studied and made the laser the first in the USSR, it is logical that in this industry Russia is the first in the world, as in air defense, and in the nuclear industry ...
Some lame goblin flies version 2.0 aka F-35, and its a laser, a laser .... just kidding, right now, the haters will come running)

[Genry]

Quote: shans2

Some lame goblin flies version 2.0 aka F-35, and its a laser, a laser .... just kidding, right now, the haters will come running)

In every joke, there is a fraction of classified information ...

[Observer2014]

Here’s how the video will be shown. On the application on ice 1 meter thick. Then we’ll talk. And for so long we’ll go to VO after the 1st of April. There are plenty of jokers in different publications even without the first of April.

[100502]

I completely agree with the news, we have almost everything from the category of "will"

[St Petrov]

Read about Schwab. Such an office can do a lot. This is not for you (s)

Even medical equipment is being driven to Japan - this says a lot.

[Zomanus]

Yeah. Laser cut and prick with an icebreaker.
An interesting gizmo should turn out ...
It’s interesting, but can ice be cut out from under water?

[Observer2014]

Zomanus

It’s interesting, but can ice be cut out from under water?

No, the batteries get wet

[Locksmith]

Quote: Zomanus

An interesting gizmo should turn out

Especially when you consider the presence of a guidance and control system for the radar beam on the icebreaker, you already have the software, and the first stage of low-altitude air defense is ready to write, it’s easy to think about what the icebreakers will arm

[Tatarin83]

Does anyone imagine how this will work? After all, the laser needs time to burn the ice. How to cut on the go?
Or do they have something like a Jedi saber?

[g1washntwn]

What will the animal welfare say on the floating halves of polar bears and seals? :)
As for technical performance, as an experiment, perhaps ... before putting into orbit to melt the "spy ice asteroids" and "space debris."

[Makarov]

with ice inhomogeneity, the question itself is surprising ... well, theoretically, the project may be curious ... white ice, translucent, gray, with ice embedded in bubbles ... with a laser ... and even the formation of water and steam .. .

[Vladimir Postnikov]

I must admit that I have old-regime (Soviet) analytical skills. And I also studied thermodynamics (also old-mode). It is possible to cut ice with a thin laser beam. But imagine three meters thick ice. Also, 10 meters cannot be cut through, as the first meter cut begins to freeze back. The thermal conductivity of ice is four times greater than the thermal conductivity of water. It is the mass of ice and its high thermal conductivity that I explain the rapid freezing of the laser section, and even in winter (they are going to work there “year-round”). I do not know. I know for sure that to cut money "high-tech" is always safer than "low-tech." Anatoly Chubais - an outspoken swindler (my subjective assessment), but not du.ak. And he realized that a lot of money was being sawn precisely by nanotechnology.

[abc_alex]

Maybe they are going to loosen ice field, so that later the icebreaker could break it in the usual way? Type of glass cutter ...

...

Yeah, that's right:

“We created a ship's laser for exploring the Arctic. There is a difficult ice situation, while platforms work, and ships must pass. A kind of laser gun is put, ice is cut with it like a glass-cutter, then the ship pushes it with its weight", - commented on the development of the general director of the holding" Schwabe "Sergey Maksin at the international exhibition" Oboronexpo ".

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: abc_alex

Maybe they are going to weaken the ice field, so that later the icebreaker could break through it in the usual way? Type of glass cutter ...

Type of glass cutter, type of glass washing. Everything, money has already been allocated, and the protocol is signed. To hell with thermodynamics! She does not work in these conditions.

[abc_alex]

What does not suit you in thermodynamics? The ice will be cut to a meter depth, then the icebreaker will mechanically split it.

Does laser burning of an aluminum type metal with wild thermal conductivity and a melting point, and even with constant blowing of the surface with air, do not bother you? :) And laser cutting of a steel plate also contradicts thermodynamics?

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: abc_alex

Does laser burning of an aluminum type metal with wild thermal conductivity and a melting point, and even with constant blowing of the surface with air, do not bother you?

It doesn’t bother. Because I do not confuse a finger with another part of the body. And do not drag it here "contrary to thermodynamics." This has absolutely nothing to do with it, if we are talking about a completely different phase transition.

[abc_alex]

Well then, let's just wait a bit. Practice will judge.

[Manul]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

I must admit that I have old-regime (Soviet) analytical skills. And I also studied thermodynamics (also old-mode). It is possible to cut ice with a thin laser beam. But imagine three meters thick ice. Also, 10 meters cannot be cut through, as the first meter cut begins to freeze back. The thermal conductivity of ice is four times greater than the thermal conductivity of water. It is the mass of ice and its high thermal conductivity that I explain the rapid freezing of the laser section, and even in winter (they are going to work there “year-round”). I do not know. I know for sure that to cut money "high-tech" is always safer than "low-tech." Anatoly Chubais - an outspoken swindler (my subjective assessment), but not du.ak. And he realized that a lot of money was being sawn precisely by nanotechnology.

I have the same questions. Even if you allow a non-freezing incision - how can it help? A millimeter incision will still jam with the mass of ice ... What force will open it? Apparently, the talk is about simplifying work on thin ice, where our icebreakers go without problems.

[abc_alex]

Read the comments of Schwabe himself. The icebreaker will open the ice. A laser notch will only simplify his task, as an incision from a glass cutter simplifies the breaking of glass.

[pts-m]

Looks like a “Swabian” was haunted by a novel .... Engineer Hyperboloid Garin ... Now they will not only cut ice, but also drill Arctic wells for mining and not only minerals.

[zaoneginden]

Schwabe does not produce fiber-optic lasers of such power, they are produced by the IRE Polyus (IPG), by the way the world monopolist in fiberglass. I have been working with industrial lasers for a long time, and I have long heard about the development of a powerful laser for icebreakers from the specialists of this company, and the 200 kW figure also appeared ... What does Schwabe have to do with it, and what exactly have they developed - a big question, I’m 100% sure , they are PR and try to pass off the development of others for their own.

[sharp-lad]

Schwabe specializes in optical systems, probably this is the reason for their presence in the project as the final manufacturer-assembler.

[zaoneginden]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Read about Schwab. Such an office can do a lot. This is not for you (s)

Even medical equipment is being driven to Japan - this says a lot.

The office is clearly for cutting, it became clear after their ads began to turn on TV! They do not produce fiber lasers, the maximum that they can do is a collimator lens for this laser and a positioning system that is not any nanotechnology, ordinary optics and drives. Regarding the sales of Japan, I am sure that like most similar offices in our country, they buy equipment somewhere, re-stick labels and veils - such as made in Russia, import substitution is all there is to it! but in fact stupid dealers

[shans2]

Well, you’re directly sure, but others don’t know, you’re on the campaign like him, but “Ukrainian”