Decommissioned Russian T-62M in demand in Syria

According to "Messenger of Mordovia» Tanks T-62Mdecommissioned by the Russian army and delivered to Syria are actively used by Syrian government forces. This confirms most of the reports from the battlefield, which took place in the republic.

For the first time, this armored vehicle was spotted in Syria in mid-January. Soon was fixed their use in the re-release of ancient Palmyra. According to the results of the first battles, they received high marks from the Syrian soldiers. The tanks were created in the beginning of the 1980-s, however, they confidently demonstrate a fairly high survivability, including with the defeat of anti-tank guided missiles.

Significant number ATGM hits, captured in the relevant photographic and video materials, so far never been accompanied by an explosion with the separation of the tower and the ignition of ammunition. This is achieved through the use of metal-polymer containers in front of the tower, which have received the nickname “Eyebrows of Ilyich”. On the other hand, the upper frontal part of the hull received significant reinforcement. The absence of super dense internal layout did not lead to large-scale destruction inside the machine, even when armor was broken through. This also contributes to the serviceability of the system of fire-fighting equipment, almost already absent in many armored vehicles of the Syrian army.

The combat weight of the T-62M is 41,5 T. The armament is represented by the 115-mm U-5ТS (2А20) smooth-bore cannon, the PKN 7,62-mm machine gun is paired with it. The tower is installed 12,7-mm DShKM. Engine power 620 hp (There are versions with the engine in HP 690). Power reserve - 450 km. Maximum travel speed - 50 km. / H.

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[Altona]

As experience shows, any more or less suitable armored vehicles can be in demand, T-34 and "super-Shermans" are still fighting.

[cniza]

War is hard work for everyone and technology in the first place.

[Nick]

Quote: Altona

As experience shows, any more or less suitable armored vehicles can be in demand, T-34 and "super-Shermans" are still fighting.

If a newer gun to install, on a projectile caliber 125 mm. from T-72, then you can compete with the Turks

[Marksman]

They would give us Azerbaijan, Iran, and ... Kurds to drive the train with the train written off there, that would be the topic)

[Berkut24]

then you can compete with the Turks

With the main number of Turkish tanks, this gun will cope. In general, the history of recent centuries, that Syria has now shown that the Turks without the Anglo-Saxons or Germans merge any smaller and more organized enemy.

[siberalt]

And why there is no data who and where these tanks wrote off?

[Glory1974]

And why there is no data who and where these tanks wrote off?

For example, they were armed with explosives as part of a tank regiment in Cossack camps. The regiment was reduced, the equipment was transferred to the Moscow Region for warehouses.

[Doliva63]

Afiget! Once in the Cossacks there was a TP of the SA division, I trained there as a commander of a tank platoon. The tanks were simple 62s. Of the three cars, I gathered myself one worker. I handed over night shooting at it to the standard b / p Glavkoy of the Headquarters of the south-west direction Zaitsev. I will never forget!) In the platoon there was the best gunner of the battalion, Yakut, he aimed the gun at the triplex, without a sight - he would not have seen, would not have believed). The capter in the company was a black man, he even remembered the name - Abubakar Dianta, a Malian, in my opinion. With the last size of the jumpsuit that could be found, his bare legs were sticking out of felt boots). Survived as best he could. He provoked me to a fizo competition, cattle. I suggested 2 exercises - running in a jumpsuit in the snow and lifting a coup in a jumpsuit and felt boots. Lost nigger devastating, then silk was. There were few Russians, mostly tank commanders. The rest are Asia and the Caucasus. The former were like calves, the latter were aggressive for no reason. Once, after the guard, the Chechen rushed at me with a knife. I added him to the Rostov disbath for a week (we had their company standing) - he hid from me before leaving). Oh, damn it, life was!)))

[Damir]

Well, at our storage sites you can still find something .... soon we will see the BRDM-1, BTR-40, BTR-152 and other rarities ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Already seen in the TV shows 122mm howitzer M-30 model 1938 - cheap and angry. at last.
He wrote more than once that she was in Syria the place. Thank God that I wasn’t the only one so smart.

[volot-voin]

Quote: Altona

As experience shows, any more or less suitable armored vehicles can be in demand, T-34 and "super-Shermans" are still fighting.

Normal international practice for the disposal of your old equipment. Well, the T-62 is still awesome how to serve can faithfully.

[RASKAT]

Great tank, Simple as a Kalashnikov assault rifle, and most importantly there is no complicated equipment in it, and the average Syrian has nothing to break there. For them, this is still an ideal weapon, the only one of our craftsmen could at least attach a DZ to them from the frontal projection, it would not be superfluous.

[Incvizitor]

A large number of "thirty-four" of the last modification were delivered after the war by the Soviet Union to the states of Europe, Asia and North Africa. In the early 1960s, T-34-85 entered service with the armored units of Syria.

For the last time, the “veterans” for their intended purpose were used by the armed forces of this country during the Six Day War in 1967. Subsequently, the T-34 were used as fixed firing points, many vehicles were converted into self-propelled artillery mounts.



You can still notice them.

[Lostcoast]

This is of course all good, but the “youngest” projectile for 2A20 ~ is about 27 years old. Where will the Syrians take the shells

[iliitchitch]

Quote: LostCoast

This is of course all good, but the “youngest” projectile for 2A21 ~ is about 27 years old. Where will the Syrians take the shells

Difficult, extremely difficult to make shells. Technology is lost, most likely.

[Archon]

We must go to the Ents in the enchanted forest. in the ancient book it is possible to find this knowledge

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Archon

We must go to the Ents in the enchanted forest. in the ancient book it is possible to find this knowledge

And spells, most importantly spells. This is what the shell would say.

[Black Colonel]

And what is so cosmic about shell technology that you can lose? This is not a “Buran” to reproduce or a wooden wheel for a cart.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Black Colonel

This is not a “Buran” to reproduce or a wooden wheel for a cart.

The analogy is awesome. Both that, and that - with wheels, not to undermine.

[Smoked]

China? IMHO, they financially support Syria.

[Lostcoast]

Quote: Smoked

China? IMHO, they financially support Syria.

Apart from the USSR, such shells were produced by the DPRK and Czechoslovakia. So, you can probably buy them in the DPRK ...

[SRC P-15]

What I love our members of the forum for is that they always praise Russian technology, despite the fact that it is not the first freshness! This does not work with the enemy.

[Stabilization]

Well, it would be strange if it would be the other way around) ...

[Black5Raven]

And you need to look objectively, that's all.

[samoletil18]

Well, how else? Other forum users on this technique gave away from 2 or more years to their homeland.

[Kvazar]

So for reference. In contrast to the T64 and T80 banned for use in local conflicts, already in the mid-90s Grachev after the PCV. T62M took part in the defeat of Georgian troops on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX ... Well, in the second Chechen one, too, rode

[Captain Pushkin]

And they will take from our warehouses. And for the money.
This will generate income, instead of being stupidly disposed of, again for money.

[alone]

What income? What money are you talking about? Assad has been fighting at the expense of Iranian and Russian money for several years. You look at what they turned Syria. Everywhere ruins.

[Farid05]

nicknamed "Ilyich’s Eyebrows" - I wonder, is it so called in the union?)
There is no bad tank; misuse is possible.

[Kvazar]

Yes, comedians in the USSR were still those +) Soldiers nicknamed very similar to the article +)

[aszzz888]

... and who will say that our tanks are worse than others! Could and can do !!!

[Spartanez300]

What we have always been able to do is weapons, including tanks, that is what is.

[svp67]

Decommissioned Russian T-62M in demand in Syria

And I am glad that the "swan song" of the "irons" is sung beautifully and with dignity.

[alex-cn]

Well, why the "swan song" In Syria, even after the war they will still serve and will serve

[svp67]

Quote: alex-cn

Well, why the "swan song" In Syria, even after the war they will still serve and will serve

Oh, how they do it, as there is little faith in it ...

[Black Colonel]

A friend said that in the mountains of Chechnya in the second campaign, the T-62 were better in driving performance than the T-72

[Monarchist]

This is the first I hear. A friend, he served at the beginning of the first Chechen one, he said that an armored personnel carrier was preferable to any tank

[Doliva63]

It depends on what.

[Mountain shooter]

Good tank. He can’t meet with the Abrams and Leclerks, against the barmalei he is a super-killer, with a powerful gun and practically invulnerable, except for the ATGMs, which, of course, the barmales lack, no matter what they say about this. This is not a grenade launcher.

[NUR]

In Syria, 55 guns and 45 years of war. I think there are no problems with shells in the Union; everything was in reserve for a decade.

[mitrich]

That's right, why cut what was done by our grandfathers. To re-preserve, refine and fight. More dynamic protection would not regret it.

[nivander]

the fact that the large internal volume of the T-62 saves from overpressure was learned in Chechnya. Yes, and in Georgia (08/08/08) the advanced units were not without reason armed with the T-62

[Two handed]

it doesn’t save from pressure, but from shell fragments and armor.

[nivander]

oh well, but then in the tank army of Rybalko even an order was issued which explicitly states that hatches are recommended to be kept open in battles in the city in order to avoid damage to the crew from the actions of Faustpatron \ Panzerfaust \ Panzershrek and other Ofenorors separately in the instructions describes the actions of a tank landing to prevent the enemy from throwing grenades into the open hatches of our tanks

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: nivasander

in battles in the city, hatches are recommended to be kept open in order to avoid the defeat of the crew from the actions of Faustpatron \ Panzerfaust \ Panzershrek and other Ofenorors

Another cumulative myth | Army Herald
army-news.ru ›Army Bulletin
However, the "holy place is never empty" and replaced one myth against cumulative ammunition immediately came another ... ... dreamers basic postulates are as follows: - tank crews allegedly kills excess

[Glory1974]

The main postulates of dreamers are as follows: - the crews of tanks allegedly kill excess

These are not postulates of visionaries, but practitioners.
Therefore, practitioners in the war still open hatches, as the nivasander wrote.

[nivander]

from the new one you can read the records of front-line tankers collected by A. Drabkin and there is described externally a whole IS-2 with hatches tucked from the inside, only in the pursuit of the tower there is a through hole with a three-copeck coin. When the hatch was opened with autogenous, they saw the whole crew outwardly whole, only dead " ... Faust his job "

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, yes .... disputes are still ongoing. For each article about the "cumulative myth" (overpressure), an article appears about the "overpressure" as the truth of life. The same article as in the "Army Gazette" was published and in topwar. You can read it at your leisure, and it has formulas, calculations, schemas.

[Nikolaevich I]

PS Concerning the Faustpatrons .... I had to read such an “explanation”: many Faustpatrons had an 150-mm caliber and hemispherical cumulative recess. Such a design, in comparison with the conical one, had less armor piercing, but "made" a hole in the armor of a larger diameter. Thus .for the armor a larger number of fragments of armor was formed ... well, and due to the larger size of the punched hole, there could have been a higher explosive action of the faustpatron through the hole. (something like that ...) That is tankers could die from fragments of armor, from the "spray" of the metal lining. Faust

[Glory1974]

For each article about the “cumulative myth” (overpressure), an article appears about the “overpressure” as the truth of life

Well, let's not call the excess pressure, but the energy of the explosion, penetrating the car through the hole. In addition to fragments of armor and "splashes" of metal cladding, explosion products also penetrate for sure.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: glory1974

let's not call the excess pressure, but the energy of the explosion, penetrating the machine through the hole.

I also "spoke" about it:

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Larger explosive action of the Faustpatron through the hole.

"Overpressure" - well then what to do? "Popular" expression!

[Doliva63]

Excess - including.

[Kvazar]

There was no godfather, but the strike core was. Which gives a lot of fragments secondary.

[Two handed]

https://topwar.ru/20498-esche-odin-kumulyativnyy-
mif.html

[pafegosoff]

Well, they themselves still hang something from the cumulative shells ...

[zoolu300]

Real Soviet tank quality! Simple as an ax, as reliable as a cobblestone, as deadly as a venom of a cobra! Where there mattress and Zionist tank sucks.

[Black Colonel]

Quote: Zweihander

it doesn’t save from pressure, but from shell fragments and armor.

YAH ?!!! Take a look at the principle of the cumulative projectile before looking like an incompetent interlocutor

[Two handed]

"competent" victim of myths)

[Two handed]

What do you think of Viktor Ivanovich Murakhovskiy’s opinion then? (born March 6, 1954, Saratov) - Russian military and public figure, reserve colonel, member of the Expert Council of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation [1], expert of the Russian Council for International Affairs [2], expert of the Izborsk Club [3 ], author of several books and publications on information technology and the military, editor-in-chief of Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine [4], organizer of Arsenal-press publishing house, columnist and expert in a number of central mass media: Kommersant [5], “Vedomosti” [6], “Arguments and Facts” [7], “Military-Industrial Courier” [8], “Evening Moscow” [9] [10], “Vzglyad” [11], “Vesti 24” [12 ], “Channel 1” [13], LifeNews [14], etc.

[Two handed]

Here is his article that was published on the same site https://topwar.ru/20498-esche-odin-kumulyativnyy-
mif.html

[Two handed]

This myth probably went back to the time of the Second World War, when the first cumulative ammunition did not have the optimal funnel shape for armor penetration, which provided greater armor impact. Now google the actions of tanks over the past three decades and find a huge number of tanks affected (sometimes repeatedly) by cumulative ammunition and the surviving crews.

[Captain Pushkin]

And in the Second World War there were many cases when the crew found a hole in the armor from the Faustpatron only after the battle.
This only says that the shock increase in pressure kills only from a certain threshold, and it is exceeded only if the armor breaks through with a large margin.
If the ammunition breaks through the armor at the limit of its maximum, the crew will not die.

[Terminator]

Interestingly, if Syria is a testing ground for military equipment so why not break in armature there?

[Altona]

Quote: terminator

If Syria is a testing ground for military equipment, so why not break in armature there?

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Yeah, and the T-50 at the same time fly around so that the adversaries took off all kinds of portraits — frequency, thermal, and generally looked at these products in action. ELEMENTALLY, in the form of MSA, avionics, airborne defense on other products (T-90 and Su-35) apparently run-in.

[Vovavvs]

The new weapon, of course, is good, but the most important thing is what kind of people are fighting on it! They somehow showed on the TV a Syrian tanker (for 50, by the way) ... He himself is wearing glasses and is fighting on the T-55 (!) As a gunner (! !) 3 (!) War. Says: "for the grandchildren")). They sat in the siege for 1,5 years. At the same time, 5 Igilov’s tanks and guns were destroyed, but does not count infantry and firing points ... 2 times ATGMs fell precisely in their 55th. They repaired it themselves, and even in the conditions of the blockade. Of course, the electric drive does not work, it shows how it presses (seizes, apparently) with the foot of the gun and manually shoots the machine gun coupled with the cannon (but the trigger is tight there: while you turn your thumbs on hands fall off).

[myobius59]

Yes, they show on TV how they "fight" there. An automatic machine gun or a machine gun above his head from the trench will stick out and not aiming the whole store or tape in white light like a penny. If only somewhere in that direction. It seems that only ours, Iranians and Kurds are fighting there. The Syrians are like that, at the catch, or when to tick it is necessary quickly, as from Palmyra. Something the orchestra this time does not give a concert there, they are probably afraid to jinx it, otherwise in a couple of months the Basmachi will again beat this Palmyra.

[Vovavvs]

so the T-62 in such hands will certainly show themselves ...

[Monarchist]

Again the ubiquitous Spring of Mordovia. "T62 in demand in Syria" is absolutely nothing surprising: there are constant military operations in Syria, which means losses in the crew and BM, and T62 reliable and unpretentious machines. A long time ago, somewhere in the magazine I read the memoirs of Rezun "Suvorov" he deigned to praise the T62. And in conversations I heard that the T64 was a raw machine

[Monarchist]

Quote: terminator

Interestingly, if Syria is a testing ground for military equipment so why not break in armature there?

Already on our site it was said that one had to be sick on one’s head in order to send “Armata” there. Well-wishers of money will not regret to get it. And this is what we least need !!

[Monarchist]

Quote: zoolu300

Real Soviet tank quality! Simple as an ax, as reliable as a cobblestone, as deadly as a venom of a cobra! Where there mattress and Zionist tank sucks.

I have already said more than once: in my opinion, only two tank schools are leading: German and ours, and the rest is stomped from the side.

[Doliva63]

Yeah, that's 62-ku, finally appreciated! Although M, but the difference is not great.

[alone]

Everything that can shoot is in demand in Syria. Not only the t-62m

[Kvazar]

Not certainly in that way. They just have a lot of trained people from the reserve precisely on the T-55 and T62. T72 is supplied only for the guard, which is almost gone for 6 years, all knocked out.

[ura-banzai]

Quote: Black Colonel

A friend said that in the mountains of Chechnya in the second campaign, the T-62 were better in driving performance than the T-72

I may be mistaken, but your friend probably talked about the T-64A tank in these tanks, a two-stroke diesel engine and chokes in the mountains at an altitude of. T-64A was created for the European theater.

[ura-banzai]

Quote: nivasander

the fact that the large internal volume of the T-62 saves from overpressure was learned in Chechnya. Yes, and in Georgia (08/08/08) the advanced units were not without reason armed with the T-62

T-62 were the first to enter South Ossetia for the simplest reason, they were closest, and T-72 and others were in Chechnya beyond the Caucasus Range. And the explosion is the excess pressure. The latest example is 1,5 years old. My friend stood at a distance of slightly more than 10 m and his comrade at a distance of 6 m from the corner of the base of the Khrushchev in an open place. And the tank lupanul blank OBPS in the corner of the base and there are blocks FBS-60. The result is a familiar cantusia of moderate severity and his comrade died a few hours later. The damage to the body was not at all concrete or shell. This is the excess pressure that formed in front of the disc and hit the wall.

[Two handed]

How could the NPS create an explosion and fatal pressure 10 meters from being hit by a wall? I admit fragments of the wall, otherwise it becomes unclear why high-explosive ammunition is needed if blanks can kill people tens of meters from the place of impact.