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MTR PLA. What are the features of Chinese special forces

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The topic of the special divisions of the world, the specifics of their training and the possibilities of their use are constantly worrying readers. After the sudden appearance of such units in the Crimea, the appearance of reports on the work of the SSO in Syria and Iraq became a brand for the average person. For some reason, it is believed that the appearance of "polite people", "green men", "cats", "leopards", "sea lions" and other "living creatures" guarantees victory with the 100% result.


MTR PLA. What are the features of Chinese special forces


The interest of readers is understandable. Everything that is covered with a halo of mystery naturally attracts attention. And the operations, reports of which periodically appear in the press, look really impressive. Moreover, due to the incompetence of correspondents, or for other reasons (which is no secret, advertising is even necessary in such a case. Remember the Soviet "In the zone of special attention" and "Response") such messages are overgrown with details that terrify and respect for the townsfolk, and cause outright laughter of experts.

“Alexander, why journalists, including you, speak and write about the US, British and other countries' MTR units, but completely ignore our closest neighbors? Why are there no articles about Turkish special forces, about Chinese, about former Soviet republics? After all, everyone understands that such units are there. What is the reason for such ignoring? Weakness? Lack of information? Reluctance to tell? "

This is an excerpt from a letter I received recently. By the way, thanks to everyone who writes. Thank you not only for questions and suggestions, but also for interesting memories and materials that you generously share with me.

The answer to the question about the reason for the lack of materials for some countries in the absence of reliable information. Alas. By the way, this also applies to the Chinese SSO. Information "hides" not only behind the regime of secrecy, but also behind the vagueness of the concepts themselves. I will explain. Many remember the words of Goebbels about what should be a lie to believe in it. But few understand that you can do the same with the truth. The fact around which the "cordon" of fiction is created always begins to be in doubt. Therefore, I ask you not to take my article as the ultimate truth. It is simply an attempt to systematize what is known from open and "ajar" sources.

For some reason, it is believed that the special-purpose units in the PLA appeared thanks to Deng Xiaoping. It was he, then the head of the CPC, in June 1985 of the year stated that "the Communist Party does not see a global war in the future, therefore, the PRC should be prepared for transient border conflicts." And this statement was fundamental to the creation in 1988 of the first MTR unit in the Guangzhou Military District.

However, if you look into history China, the way I think, there are doubts about this thesis. The fact is that even during the war of the Kuomintang and the Communist Party (1927-1950), the Chinese widely used amphibious units prepared at US military bases. True, they acted against the CCP. And acted quite successfully. So much so that Mao decided to create similar units in the PLA.

Therefore, again, in my opinion, the beginning of the creation of the MTR of China should be considered the 50-s of the last century. And the first combat operations were carried out by new units during the war of North and South Korea. And in repelling the attacks of Taiwanese nationalists, it was not without the participation of these units.

Immediately after the end of the Korean War, at the end of the 50-x-beginning of the 60-s, three airborne divisions were formed in the PLA. There is nothing interesting and new for the Russian reader in these compounds. Just because they were formed with the help of the USSR. But the fact that in parallel with the creation of the Airborne Forces in the PLA, special reconnaissance units were created is more interesting.

The fact is that in the formation of such units initially completely opposite tasks were laid. They carried out reconnaissance and opposition intelligence of the enemy. They acted as DRG and, at the same time, were used to counteract the enemy DRG. And such "versatility" somewhat reduced efficiency. However, it was these divisions, the best of them, that became the basis of future PLA MTRs. And it is precisely from these divisions that the groups that are available today for conducting special operations are formed.

Chinese masters on flowery expressions. Yes, and the attitude of the Chinese to their sun is amazing. Many readers have seen Chinese units at the recent military games in Russia. Such an attitude was expressed in the names (known today) of the SSO detachments. "Falcon", "Hawk", "Flying Dragon", "Dunbey Tiger", "Night Tiger", "Magic Sword of the East", "Sharp Sword of Southern China".

The "discovery" of the PLA SSF occurred during the competition of the special forces units in Estonia (ERNA). Nobody knows the Chinese special forces then, in the 1998 year, from the 20 types of competitions won 8. In addition, one second place and third 4. Agree, the result is more than good.

What are the features of training Chinese fighters? Why are the Chinese today considered the most difficult to counter? Let's try to deal with this issue.

I remember in the comments after the article on "Green Berets" among the readers there were a lot of people who were quite prepared to serve in the service. Well, try to "serve" in the special forces unit of China. Not in the elite, but (for the purity of the experiment) the usual division of the SSO. Here are the standard standards that any PLA SSO soldier must meet:

1. Climbing the wall of a brick building to the fifth floor without the use of improvised means (I carry everything with me, arms and legs) - 30 seconds.

2. Forcing a water barrier long in 5 km with full equipment and weapons (automatic and 4 grenades) - 80 minutes.

3. Ride 10 km in a bag with tied legs and duffel 4,5 kg weight.

4. In full combat gear, in the rain, on a broken mountain road for 12 minutes to overcome the distance: excellent - 3,5 km and more, good - 3,4 km, satisfactory - 3,3 km.

5. Lifting on the crossbar and pushing up on the bars at least 200 times.

6. Obstacle course (400 meters) with a group of 4 people with 14 targets hit - 105 seconds.

7. Push up for 1 a minute - 100 times.

8. Lifting dumbbells weighing 35 kg per minute - 60 times.

9. Shooting: hit a moving vehicle at a speed of 50 km / h on a growth target at a distance of 200 meters.

10. Throw a grenade into the car window from a distance of 30 meters.

I understand that most readers now thought that the regulations are clearly not feasible. However, it is these standards that are established in the Chinese manuals for SSO. And, most importantly, the regulations are feasible. But for this you need to be Chinese and serve somewhere in the Beijing airport area.

The thing is that the special forces training itself takes place at the limit of human capabilities. The differences that exist between the fighters are due to the location of the unit and the tasks for which the fighter is being trained. Analogues of Chinese training in the world yet. At least, so say the Chinese commanders.

To get into the elite units of SSO is quite difficult. Unlike the majority of similar detachments from other countries, there is no possibility for PLA to join the detachment of their own accord. The selection is carried out from the soldiers of the usual parts. Moreover, often the candidates do not even know that they were "hit the pencil" by a special forces officer. There are almost no refusals to offer to serve in the SSO. This is the dream of the PLA soldiers and officers.

The basis for the training of fighters laid the technique of maximizing the physical and psychological capabilities of the human body. Ancient Chinese versions of martial arts, methods of training Tibetan monks, Chinese Wushu gymnastics, various variations of qigong are used. Some sources talk about non-Chinese yoga and similar techniques.

Special attention is paid to the development of not only strength, but also agility. And clearly focused on the performance of specific tasks. Self defense without weapons. Different options for Chinese and Japanese martial arts. Learning to swim at the level of a serious swimmer. There is evidence that, for example, "night tigers" or "falcons" are trained in the conduct of underwater combat without the use of scuba gears due to a special breathing technique. In other teams, professional climbers and skiers are trained.

There are Chinese special forces and a distinctive feature that makes them quite "noticeable" for counterintelligence. The fact is that according to the same training methodology, each fighter must necessarily master a special exercise called “Iron palm”.

Those readers who are engaged in martial arts, are well aware of the opportunity to "get a hand." When for a long time a fighter literally stuffs the edge of his palm or knuckles to the state of appearance of coarse cloth or "corns". This allows not only to reduce the pain from strikes on a hard surface, but also to increase the very force of the blow due to the appearance of "brass knuckles".

At one time, when karate was banned in the USSR, the police perfectly figured out the karatekas precisely according to their crowded knuckles and the “ribs” of their palms. Hide it was difficult.

The “iron palm” is the daily stroke of the palms of beans with the palms of the hands. 300 beats daily. In addition, fists, elbows, feet, knees, head are also stuffed ... Simply put, every Special Forces officer “wears” a bag with beans a thousand times a day, with different parts of the body.

Naturally, the skin coarsens and ... "stuffed" parts of the body increase in size. This becomes a signal to move to the next stage of training. Beans are exchanged for metal chips. And now this “shell” becomes a constant companion of a fighter. And enlarged palms are the calling card of the PLA SSO Special Forces Officer.

In addition, soldiers of the SSO without fail undergo the most severe training in survival in any terrain. And none of the commanders and chiefs especially think about the safety and life of the person being tested.

For example, the survival exercise for the soldiers of the naval special forces looks like this. The group is dropped from a helicopter at a distance of 5 and more kilometers into the sea near an almost “naked” island. Each soldier has a supply of drinking water, a knife, and rations for a day.

Survive as you please. You can drown, not sailed to the island. You can starve (the supply of water allows you not to die of thirst, and death from hunger comes much later). And you can live in "your pleasure", feeding on the fact that he lives in the sea or on an island. The only inconvenience is the absence of fire. But not at the resort. The Chinese also remember the "military service".

Survival "on the ground" is not at all easier. Here's an example from the Falcon. A group of 6 special forces heading into the mountain-wooded area. Equipment standard. Knife, lightweight machine and helmet. It is allowed to take 1 kg of rice, 5 pieces of pressed biscuits, salt and matches. Everything else is withdrawn. March-March Conditions: For 7 days, the group must pass 200 (sometimes 300) km through mountainous wooded areas. Part of the route passes at an altitude above 2700 meters above sea level. Most water sources are not suitable for consumption. The area is "teeming with" poisonous insects and other "reptiles". Therefore, clothing should always be buttoned at all buttons and zippers.

The task of the fighters is not only to pass the route. But also to determine reservoirs suitable for use (most often this is done in the footsteps of birds and animals), eat all sorts of "delicacies" like mice and insects in the mountains (other "goodies" do not live there). A "snack" to perform even more 20 combat missions, such as taking a prisoner, remove the sentry, destroy the object, bypass the outpost, etc.

Such training in the life of PLA SSA fighters takes 3-6 months in a year ...

An important issue for understanding the combat potential of the PLA MTR is the equipment of such units. Armament and equipment. Alas, but in modern war even the best fighter without special equipment and good weapons is weak. I think we should start with the most famous types of weapons.

Pistols The main pistol of the SSA PLA is a QSZ 5,8 pistol created by Chinese designers with a device for silent flameless firing and a telescopic sight. The gun was created under the new low-impulse cartridge DAP 92x5,8 mm. The cartridge has a greater penetrating and damaging ability than other ammunition. And also has a more flat flight path.

The gun has a weight of 0,76 kg. Made with the use of composite materials. It has inserts on the pistol grip, allowing you to adjust the size of the handle. What makes the recoil momentum much smaller than from a standard NATO pistol. The shop is designed for 20 cartridges. The double-lever lever safety lever is used for the safe descent of the cocking. The frame has grooves for mounting a tactical flashlight or laser pointer. It is possible to shoot with both hands, either with the right or with the left hand. The trigger guard has a rounded shape (a feature of a slightly different shooting technique from the "short bar", characteristic of China). The length of the gun 190 mm, barrel length 115 mm.

But, as in other units of such a profile, the fighters can use other pistols of the armies of the world. Depending on the tasks and skills. By the way, the Soviet TT is still popular.

In addition to pistols, the SSO also has submachine guns of type 05. The Chinese use PP under the same cartridge as for the gun - 5,8 mm. 50 magazine capacity. Bullet speed 480-500 m / s. Automation with a free shutter. Composite materials are used. Shooting is conducted in three modes - single, in 3 bursts of shot and in bursts of arbitrary length. It is possible to install a collimator or optical sight, tactical flashlight.

Automatic. Here the question is quite complicated. The fact is that today, three domestic developments are already in service with the PLA SSO in service. And they are all quite interesting. Talking about preferences is difficult.

Let's start with the most common - army QBZ-95, adopted by the 1995 year. 5,8 caliber mm. Used domestic cartridge 5,8х42 4,1 g weight with a steel core. The initial speed of the bullet 930 m / s. 30 magazine capacity. 3,35 weight kg. The length of the machine 760 mm. The length of the barrel 490 mm. The layout bullpup. There is a Chinese-made grenade launcher (40 mm) and a bayonet. Sighting range 500 meters.

The next modification of this machine for some reason turned into a carbine. Honestly, I do not understand. So, QBZ 95-1. A rifle with a telescopic sight and an 35-mm rifle grenade launcher. The machine gun is much more popular in spetsnaz than the first army version. The differences are quite noticeable. From ejection liner (45 degrees forward) to quick-detachable optical sight. In addition, this machine has a shortened version.

But the third machine - rather a tribute to the traditions and the "old" school. The fact is that the layout of the bullpup does not suit enough of many. What looks beautiful in the movie, most often not very adapted to perform specific tasks. Therefore, the SSO is also armed with a machine gun with a classic layout - QBZ-03. Weight slightly more - 3,5 kg. Length is also 950 mm. However, with a folded butt - 750 mm. 30 magazine capacity. By the way, the shops of all automata are unified.

Among the Chinese machine guns, QJY 88 deserves our attention. The development of Chinese gunsmiths. In my opinion, the weapon is a failure. 5,8 caliber mm. Under the domestic cartridge 5,8x42 mm. Weight with tripod 16 kg (body - 11,8 kg). Length xnumx mm. The length of the barrel 1151 mm. 600 tape ammo. It does not correspond to the needs of the MTR machine gun.

The more common QBB-95 light machine gun is nothing more than the Chinese equivalent of our RPK, only for the 5,8 caliber mm. Less reliable than our machine gun. Yes, and significantly inferior to the Soviet counterpart in firepower.

Probably, you should write about another, mandatory in special forces, the form of weapons. About sniper rifles.

The standard rifle of the PLA MTR is QBU-88, which began to enter service with the army in the 1997 year. 5,8 caliber mm. A special version of rifle cartridge 5,8x42 mm with a bullet with a steel core is used. Weight - 4,1 kg. Length xnumx mm. The length of the barrel 920 mm. Aim range - 640 meters. Optics domestic 800X. Shop 4 cartridges. It is possible to install almost all types of sights.

Large-caliber sniper rifle M99. Available in two versions. Under the cartridge 12,7X108mm (М99-1) and under the cartridge 12,7х99 mm (М99-2). It is intended for counter-sniper fighting, as well as for the destruction of easily armored targets, machine-gun nests, positions of grenade launchers, etc. The number of such weapons today is quite small. Therefore, it is still difficult to assess the combat quality of the new weapon.

More common large-bore rifle QBU-10. Under the cartridge 12,7X108 mm. Sighting range up to 1000 meters. However, the rifle is clearly "Chinese." To sniper standards does not reach. Length xnumx mm. The length of the barrel 1380 mm. Weight 780 kg.

It is clear that all types of weapons that are used in the PLA MTR are difficult to list. And not very important. It is clear that for certain tasks can be used completely different "trunks" or other weapons. Moreover, it is also clear that in any unit has its own "chips".

Chinese special operations specialists are not only army units. As in other countries where special attention is paid to this issue, there are quite serious police units in China. Such as the "Snow Leopard". By the way, in 2014, this particular division was recognized as the best in the world at competitions in Jordan. And those about whom I told above, then took the second place. This is from the 36 teams involved.

And in conclusion I want to cool down the fervor of particularly violent "fighters." The PLA MTR, the only ones in the world, have fully female divisions in their composition! No support services or individual military personnel. Namely, completely female. 4 a year ago, the PLA Command decided to create such units.

As part of these units today, women up to 30 years. Training is almost not different from the "male". The level of education is worthy of the most elite parts. Approximately 80% with higher education! In terms of combat potential, women's squads are valued, as not offensive to men, higher. The fact is that women compensate for the lack of physical strength by scrupulous performance of all training and combat tasks. And, therefore, prepared in general, better than similar male groups. And, again the paradox, women in battle are more fanatical fighters! This is an assessment of Chinese psychologists after analyzing the actions of women's units from various countries during wars and conflicts.

From various sources, periodically appear and other names of the detachments of the MTR of China. But the information about these units is so fragmentary and, often not without reason, fantastic, that it would be foolish to draw any conclusions about their preparation or purpose. These are "Panther", "Snow Wolf" and "East".

Judging by the tasks that are attributed to them by the sources, these are counter-terrorism units designed to combat terrorism and separatism inside and outside the country. So, they are still not army troops, but security officers. This is either the Ministry of State Security or the Ministry of Public Security of China.

Be that as it may, today the PLA MTRs have a stable authority among the staff of the relevant structures in most countries. Professionals always quickly understand who is in front of them. And respect those who are truly worthy of respect.
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  1. Vladycat
    Vladycat April 3 2017 15: 28
    +10
    And I, and we .... A ...... Damn creepy like that. But I think we also have something to scare our neighbors with. That’s what they are doing well in that they use their historical achievements to the full. For our race for excellence is starting to strain :(.
    1. free
      free April 3 2017 20: 04
      +12
      they are great in that they have a national idea and actively promote it from an early age, and liberalism does not smell there!
      1. Duke
        Duke April 4 2017 01: 36
        +5
        Chinese special forces.



    2. Buffet
      Buffet April 3 2017 22: 26
      +2
      The question is different, do they have real combat experience? They didn’t have their own “Chechnya” and “Afghan” ... and separate episodes ... somehow it’s hard to perceive.
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol April 3 2017 15: 49
    +6
    serious guys. standards are impressive good
    1. Jknid
      Jknid April 3 2017 16: 04
      +15
      More than impressive: masters of sports in swimming 5 km swim in about 1 hour (+/- a couple of minutes), of course without grenades and machine guns, in swimming suits. Immediately, Chinese special forces in full uniform in 1 hour 20 minutes ... With such a system for training swimmers at all World Cups in open water, some Chinese should stand on the podium. But not one was ever there. Either they breshet, or a water barrier ankle deep, where you can stupidly run away.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol April 3 2017 17: 40
        +3
        yeah, and in the mountains they run downhill, in a minute they have 600 sec, etc. in short caps
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 3 2017 18: 40
          +9
          I do not believe in the authenticity of these standards.
      2. tracer
        tracer April 3 2017 19: 25
        0
        Have you seen Chinese films? They generally fly there at a time.
      3. free
        free April 3 2017 20: 08
        +3
        Well, in general, it’s hard to use the ankle for 5 km from the word oooooochen, and the standards look fantastic, although the Chinese have plenty to choose from. But how will we continue to live? And with such neighbors and with our liberalism.
      4. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik April 4 2017 06: 44
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        JKNID I agree with you! It’s like their vaunted fighters in different hand-to-hand styles, you just can’t see anything on the Chinese pedestals!
      5. rasteer
        rasteer April 4 2017 07: 24
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        More than impressive: swimming masters of 5 km swim in about 1 hour

        You MS in what style of swimming you take? Here are the standards of MS and KMS for swimming in open water, even KMS for 5 km, should be within 15 minutes.
        "The Master of Sports of Russia (MS) is considered to be an athlete who took: 1-8 place at distances of 5, 10, 16 and 25 kilometers at the Championship of Russia, keeping within the established time limits (at a distance of 5 kilometers - 10 minutes, 10 kilometers - 20 minutes, 16 kilometers - 30 minutes, 25 kilometers - 60 minutes).
        To comply with the requirements of the Candidate for Master of Sports (CCM) standard, you must: participating in the Russian Championship, finish the distance, keeping within the time limit of 5 kilometers - 15 minutes, 10 kilometers - 30 minutes, 16 kilometers - 45 minutes, 25 kilometers - 90 minutes. participating in the Championship of Russia, international or regional competitions with the participation of at least 3 subjects of the Russian Federation, show at an average distance of at least 12 kilometers: men - 4,06 km / h; women - 3,80 km / h. "
        1. dragy52rus
          dragy52rus April 4 2017 09: 47
          +2
          Quote: rasteer
          show at a distance of at least 12 kilometers the average speed: men - 4,06 km / h; women - 3,80 km / h.

          25 kilometers - 60 minutes is 25 km / h. 5 km in 10 minutes is 30 km \ h. are you confused by your numbers? it is faster than 100 meters running.
          1. dumkopff
            dumkopff April 4 2017 13: 34
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            I was also surprised by 5 km in 10 minutes (or even 15). Speeds for runners. 5 km world record - 12 minutes 37 seconds. On the run! For 1 category per 5 km, the norm for swimming is a speed of 4,17 km / h. Even if MSMK gives 5 km per hour. 60 minutes and it turns out.
          2. tforik
            tforik April 5 2017 23: 32
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            30km / h is a good motor boat))
        2. domokl
          domokl April 4 2017 18: 00
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          repeat A little bit about the topic ... In my youth I turned around and handed over for the first category in cross-country skiing .. and when I became a first-class sportsman in the 9 class, I was surprised to learn that it wasn’t necessary to get stuck .. It was enough to get to the finish of the marathon in 50 km. .Get, without regard to time, a natural-first-rate student bully
          1. Ruslan 77
            Ruslan 77 April 4 2017 23: 19
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            C'mon?)))) You're cool)))
      6. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 4 2017 16: 02
        +3
        The Chinese, of course, are lying. That is their culture. They immediately take into account the psychological effect ... at the same time they shamelessly put pressure on this very effect, unable to stop. This feature among the Chinese is manifested in absolutely everything. Having got a brush and paints in his hands, the Chinese will sculpt the brightest colors wherever he reaches ...
        On the other hand, there is clearly preparation, and a serious one. They certainly comply with the main principle of this deep preparation, namely, the risk of loss of life or serious injury is more than real. A real fighter cannot be prepared otherwise.
        And also, unconditionally, they should have units of "ultimate tension". That is, people prepared to show true miracles. Once. After which most of them will die, some "lucky" will become disabled.
        This is also a feature that goes back centuries. The Chinese have been working on this topic since time immemorial, combining ginseng with psycho-practitioners and various other powerful stimulants. By the way, now in our taiga there is a uniform robbery, the Chinese are rowing ginseng under a rocking chair, sparing nothing ...
        At "their" Olympiad, they just showed in large numbers such "disposable" ones that safely disappeared after. In general, about swimming with a human glider - nonsense. And the enemy is terrible.
      7. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx April 7 2017 20: 49
        0
        Well, they have plenty to choose from .... There are many applicants ......
  3. Guest171-Again
    Guest171-Again April 3 2017 16: 04
    +2
    Interestingly, plus. They had previously had subunits (the Tigers group in the 70s-80s), and the incredible performance was explained simply: from the time of Mao, the army was staffed on a competitive basis (as in our prestigious university) what about special forces, and there’s nothing to say.
    1. passing
      passing April 3 2017 20: 32
      0
      and they collect in the yards at the Olympic Games?
      masters of sports in swimming 5 km swim in about 1 hour (+/- a couple of minutes), of course, without grenades and machine guns, in swimming suits. Immediately, Chinese special forces in full uniform for 1 hour 20 minutes.
      1. rasteer
        rasteer April 4 2017 07: 29
        0
        and they collect in the yards at the Olympic Games?
        And you do not believe everything that is written here, you read the official documents the standard of the master of sports in open water 5 kilometers - 10 minutes.
        1. engineer_j
          engineer_j April 4 2017 08: 31
          +3
          Swimming 5 km in 10 minutes? (this is a speed of 30 km / h, people run slower {5km run - world record 12 min 37 sec})
          You either have good humor or bad arithmetic)))
          There is another option that the article uses not the metric system of measurements, but the Chinese one)).
          The standards are, of course, fabulous. If they are published by Chinese comrades, then in order to create a Legend.
          1. rasteer
            rasteer April 4 2017 08: 45
            0
            You either have good humor or bad arithmetic)))
            So please do not swear obscenities. I did not understand the word limit))) Chukchi is not a swimmer, Chukchi bathing suit)))
  4. Clueless
    Clueless April 3 2017 16: 19
    +5
    It is foolish to take women into battle. If a man is captured, a soldier will be able to complete his task. And what if a woman from her own gets captured?
    I hope in our army there will be no insanity from this series - to take women into combat units. War is masculine.
    1. Archon
      Archon April 3 2017 18: 00
      0
      it is hard to say. Too many examples indicate otherwise, including in the Second World War.
    2. tracer
      tracer April 3 2017 19: 24
      +6
      Nobody has canceled physiology and evolution. Women are not fighters, and every man knows that. Yes, you can make a kingon out of a woman .. But even then for the time being. Nobody has yet canceled the methods of “combat pregnancy”. A woman should stand next to a man in the struggle for survival, but not in his place.
      1. rasteer
        rasteer April 4 2017 07: 47
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        Yeah, you tell this to our ancestors, or to the Celts with the Irish, where women and babies went into battle and the leader’s title in fights was defended to death. All these moral and ethical complexes "about a woman is not a warrior" and the "war for the bridegroom" were invented by civilization of the modern state type. For tribal cultures, such similar fantasies did not exist, simply because of a lack of resources, and in some cultures, like the picts, this was even encouraged.
        Well, yes, the Chinese have a long history of using women as killers and saboteurs.
        1. tracer
          tracer April 6 2017 00: 39
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          You probably watched Hollywood movies. There, women’s men cut down and run in heels even faster than usual. The CELTS ARE EXPLAINED ...)))))) In some civilizations it is customary to eat older women. Are you going to follow these requirements? Do not I wonder how this can be in my head? You probably stare at female bodybuilding?
          1. rasteer
            rasteer April 6 2017 07: 41
            0
            You probably watched Hollywood movies.
            What are you more in Russian classics "There are women in Russian villages. A horse will be stopped for a ride in a burning hut." And not any bodybuilding wink
            In some civilizations, it is commonplace to eat older women.
            And in some, they did not pay attention to gender and age. What did you want to say? Or so sad? lol
            Women are not fighters, and every man knows that.
            It’s not the fighter who convinced Ladna, but the pilot, sniper, sailor, etc. (I'm talking about the Soviet army 41-45gg). By the way, the nurse’s strength and endurance at the front line should be no worse than a commando. Or do you not think so?
            Yes, you can make a kingon out of a woman ...
            Well, you all remember your favorite Hollywood wink Taki learn the system of training recruits in the shop. Although why do you need it, these are Jews ... they all are not like civilized people. wassat
            A woman should stand next to a man in the struggle for survival, but not in his place.
            You and I have different perceptions of the word next to you, as I understand it, a woman sees only as a housewife, and I believe that everything depends on the specific situation and her desires.
            1. tracer
              tracer April 7 2017 16: 31
              0
              And you, as I understand it, have an invisible skirt .... Hid under his woman and in the house ..
              1. rasteer
                rasteer April 7 2017 18: 21
                0
                And you, as I understand it, have an invisible skirt .... Hid under his woman and in the house ..
                As I understand it, in fact, you have nothing to answer, so you start inventing invisible skirts. And right now, such skirts that I fit do not wear. hi
      2. zoolu300
        zoolu300 April 6 2017 20: 15
        0
        Women are the most effective way to eliminate men. But this subtlest tool should work individually (maximum) in a small-group order, and not as part of units.
        1. rasteer
          rasteer April 7 2017 07: 28
          0
          not as part of units.
          So they worked in small groups, but it’s easier to prepare units. Well, and this is China. They have everything smaller than the battalion. This is a small group. laughing
    3. andy.v.lee
      andy.v.lee April 3 2017 21: 57
      +2
      These (Chinese women) should never be spared. They were distinguished by special (we can say fantastic) cruelty during the attack on Vietnam.
    4. domokl
      domokl April 4 2017 03: 10
      +3
      Quote: Bad
      It's silly to take women into battle

      I would like to agree with this thesis ... Only the experience of the Vietnam war suggests the opposite. The American women were scared as hell incense. And it was the women's units that performed the most difficult tasks ...
      I, too, have always been amazed at this, precisely from physiology. As far as I remember, the muscle mass of the male body is 45% of weight. Feminine total 30% (data from memory). But the fact is "on the face" ...
  5. PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 3 2017 17: 48
    0
    Weapons MTR PLA ...
    QSZ 92

    Type 05

    QBU-10

    QBU-88
  6. Ruslan 77
    Ruslan 77 April 3 2017 19: 49
    +13
    8. Lifting a dumbbell weighing 35 kg per minute - 60 times. ---------------- Such nonsense, I’ll just explain, I was engaged in weight-lifting, kmf. Well, when fulfilling this standard, in the absence of a push technique, given the inevitable distortion, the load on the spine, our Chinese friends will become, at best, deeply disabled.
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK April 3 2017 21: 08
      +10
      I agree. Engaged in the same weight lifting Fiz. Vos graduated from the KSM in kettlebell lifting. I did two-pounding 40 times, with one hand there is a push, who does more, but in a minute 60 times I have never seen in any weight. All world records in this sport belong to the Russians in all weight categories and not a single Chinese like that ?! Either they are monsters, or pi ... l am inclined to the second.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 4 2017 03: 11
        +4
        You proceed from the "right", i.e. globally accepted exercise ... And confuse a dumbbell with a weight ...
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  7. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 April 3 2017 20: 18
    +7
    Lift the dumbbell by 35 a kilo of 60 once a minute? Climb a five-story building in 30 seconds? Ikh ... request sad No, I do not believe in such standards. No.
    1. rasteer
      rasteer April 4 2017 08: 03
      0
      Climb a five-story building in 30 seconds?
      But no, it’s only 2km / h at an angle of 90g. to the top. The main run is more authentic wassat
      1. gringo
        gringo April 4 2017 10: 24
        0
        https://youtu.be/5A69ssQKNi0
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 4 2017 17: 54
          +2
          Quote: gringo
          https://youtu.be/5A69ssQKNi0

          In your video, they climb the stairs. Let them try like spider Chinese, without wow. And they won’t succeed. repeat
          1. gringo
            gringo April 5 2017 12: 19
            +1
            So I put it to that, because it is clear that without devices on the fifth floor in 30 seconds you can’t climb.
            1. rasteer
              rasteer April 5 2017 15: 09
              +2
              So I bluntly said the main thing wassat This is the Chinese ... As in the joke "the Chinese launched the first spacecraft, 10 thousand Chinese earned a hernia." Ancient anecdote wink
            2. tracer
              tracer April 6 2017 00: 42
              +1
              I once worked as a lifeguard for 7 or 8 years ... So with all responsibility I declare that on no 5th floor without special scum with a machine gun NOBODY and NEVER will rise.
              1. gringo
                gringo April 6 2017 08: 27
                0
                But Jackie Chan, how about, he climbed the bamboo forests at Rush Hour in ten seconds and even visited the rookies of rogues, apparently the Chinese special forces are such special forces, they are direct special forces.
                Although in my opinion there was a clash between the Soviet special forces and the Chinese, in Romania ours won but ambiguously. the body of the Great Conductor had to be left.
                1. tracer
                  tracer April 7 2017 16: 35
                  0
                  Yes you're right brother. One trouble, bamboo five-story buildings are not very common. Hi 14 sling ...
          2. tforik
            tforik April 5 2017 23: 39
            0
            Maybe every Chinese commando in a backpack has such a ladder ..
            compact, folding ... with aliexpress) _
  8. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki April 3 2017 20: 18
    +3
    It’s just that the monsters are some Terminators, and judging by their movies, Shaolin and the White Lotus annealed them weakly for some reason, but for some reason the Vietnamese who did not watch these films piled them weakly in the war 70, and Great China trampled everyone who could get to those parts from the Mongols of Chenghiz Khan to the Britons and Japanese are a paradox, however, but the ability to break bricks does not make a soldier out of recruit and by the way 1000 recruits is not an army (by the way, all their heroic fuss with Yapy and Chaykanshi 40-50x is heroic only for them in real life it was only fuss knows him but really for the PLA pok There is nothing but lighten up does not mean to become a dragon alas only hamster
  9. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny April 3 2017 21: 18
    +6
    One word in the language - HARD!
  10. Guest171-Again
    Guest171-Again April 3 2017 21: 30
    +1
    Question to the "weight-lifters": only a push with one hand? Not with two? A jerk is no longer practiced, with one?
    1. Ruslan 77
      Ruslan 77 April 4 2017 05: 55
      0
      The push of two weights, the jerk of one. There is still a long cycle, relay race. The dumbbell jerk will not work, the dumbbell will fly away. More or less safe for the spine, a dumbbell of such mass can be pushed.
  11. Holoy
    Holoy April 3 2017 21: 39
    0
    Actually, active MTR fighters do not go to the competition of Special Forces fighters ...
    1. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket April 4 2017 03: 48
      +3
      About the competition. There was an article about competitions in Jordan, where King Abdullah himself was a former special. So here. The first place to the Chinese was provided by speed. They weren’t so accurate in shooting and exercises, just fine circles quickly wound up. Due to speed and youth. And like a plane freed the fastest. And the Russians worked with the aircraft on time more than anyone else. But ... According to the organizers of the competition, our specialists did not perform the exercise, but actually cleared the entire plane. ..... hi
      1. domokl
        domokl April 4 2017 05: 53
        0
        I didn’t see the Chinese work live. Only the tv. But last year I watched the participants in the War Games quite closely. Serious guys. And prepared well in their specialty. By the way, the technique is not inferior to ours somewhat. Cars will be even more powerful. And all of their own production ...
      2. mole
        mole April 4 2017 11: 18
        0
        The Chinese worked in competitions where it is important to take first place, not quality. It is not known how they will work in real conditions.
        1. domokl
          domokl April 4 2017 18: 06
          0
          Quote: Mole
          The Chinese worked in competitions,

          And where did we work? Right there. Even on some obstacles. But compared with the Kazakhs and others, the Chinese are specialists of the hoo .. Our equals, and won (if won) on a serious strain of strength ...
  12. Holoy
    Holoy April 3 2017 21: 44
    0
    I can’t say anything about the MTR PLA ... There are no infa anywhere!

    ...But! I heard for a long time about their super secret unit of Saboteurs, who now apparently are part of the MTR ... one moment I just ... killed me! belay
  13. RoTTor
    RoTTor April 3 2017 22: 32
    +1
    These guidelines, especially
    2. Forcing a water barrier long in 5 km with full equipment and weapons (automatic and 4 grenades) - 80 minutes.
    3. Ride 10 km in a bag with tied legs and duffel 4,5 kg weight.

    unreal
    1. rasteer
      rasteer April 4 2017 08: 21
      +1
      Not knowing the weight of the full equipment in this situation, as well as in what water it is handed over, it is difficult to say about feasibility.
      But to jump 10km in a bag with bound legs and a thing a bag, an exercise for the development of the vestibular and stamina is useful. There is only one question. And what for then to pass the norm on it? They are preparing MTR fighters or Maidanchik bunnies there. wassat In this exercise, by the way, the time frame is not defined. Like who galloped and passed, so what.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 4 2017 18: 10
        0
        Quote: rasteer
        Not knowing the weight of the full equipment in this situation, as well as in what water it is handed over, it is difficult to say about feasibility.

        Full uniforms (approximately 1,600 grams with berets, automatic machine-3,5 kg, two magazines-1200 grams, 4 grenades F-1-2400 grams ...) Total, including everything else - about 7-10 kilograms ...
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        2. rasteer
          rasteer April 5 2017 15: 18
          0
          Well, yes, you think so according to the Soviet layout, "but the Chinese may not be so, at least" grenades of another system. " laughing
  14. Gunther
    Gunther April 3 2017 22: 51
    +5
    Quote: Author
    3. Skip 10 km in a bag, with legs tied and a duffel bag weighing 4,5 kg.

    Horror. So you’re walking along a country road, and then, suddenly, a bag jumps towards you.
    Skok, skok ....
    From China.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 4 2017 03: 13
      +1
      bully A bag with a Chinese head ...
    2. urman
      urman April 4 2017 08: 19
      0
      Quote: Gunter
      the bag jumps towards.

      laughing
      And the Chinese were supposed to barefoot, run from the border to Novosibirsk.
      1. oleole97
        oleole97 April 4 2017 10: 30
        +1
        In winter and in full gear ...
        1. urman
          urman April 4 2017 10: 36
          0
          I don’t know the truth is no, well, the border guards who served there supposedly said that they also scooted in sneakers in the winter. This is in the cold there.
          1. domokl
            domokl April 4 2017 18: 12
            +2
            Quote: urman
            I don’t know the truth is no, n

            True ... No matter how we laughed, but such things are true. as well as climbing. I myself saw how the "tiger" went up the cliff .. I beg you ... Only the AKC helped to calm the cross-eyed ... Kunduz-82 ...
            1. rasteer
              rasteer April 5 2017 15: 24
              0
              Climbing and for 30 seconds to the fifth floor are two different things. I know many climbers and prolamps, many with the level of masters of sports, but for 30 seconds, no one climbs a brick five-story building.
  15. Glory1974
    Glory1974 April 3 2017 23: 32
    +2
    the standards may not be real, but somehow the composition of the outfit knitted one Chinese. Now I realized that he was part of the MTR forces. The three of them could not wrap his hands behind his back. He just then jumped to us from China in a bag.
    1. mole
      mole April 4 2017 11: 21
      0
      Quote: glory1974
      the standards may not be real, but somehow the composition of the outfit knitted one Chinese. Now I realized that he was part of the MTR forces. The three of them could not wrap his hands behind his back. He just then jumped to us from China in a bag.

      He passed the exam in the rear of the "enemy" for survival. Did not pass.
  16. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy April 4 2017 00: 11
    +1
    More like a fairy tale. That's something about the real combat experience of such Chinese units do not write anything. The Kwantung army at one time also inspired. And there are all kinds of kamikaze and samurai. But in the end, Russian men drove by trains from near Berlin in August 1945, and this army quickly ended.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 4 2017 03: 15
      +1
      Well, why ... In the Pakistani press there was a message about one of the operations. Terrorists have taken hostages from China. Chinese commandos arrived. At night they freed everyone. The terrorists were cut ... And the “popes” of today's MTR were met in the DRA ... Just the “tigers” ...
    2. shinobi
      shinobi April 4 2017 06: 34
      +2
      Practice shows that no matter what the deployed Special Forces unit is, they are rolled out into a thin pancake upon detection. Specialization is affected. A competent military raid is an effective and rather terrible result.
      1. mole
        mole April 4 2017 11: 25
        0
        Quote: shinobi
        Practice shows that no matter what the deployed Special Forces unit is, they are rolled out into a thin pancake upon detection. Specialization is affected. A competent military raid is an effective and rather terrible result.

        Upon detection, the keyword. Well, when they are discovered, then there is a chance of conducting a competent military raid. But when is the round-up not entirely competent?
        1. domokl
          domokl April 4 2017 18: 17
          +1
          Quote: Mole
          A competent military raid is an effective and rather creepy thing in terms of results.

          I wish I was surprised if some special forces could withstand the usual motocopy units ... with BMPs and other stuff ... The military operation is a priori a death for DRGs. automatic machine against an armored car .. Well = well ..
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  17. Vladycat
    Vladycat April 4 2017 02: 01
    +1
    Quote: Gunter
    Quote: Author
    3. Skip 10 km in a bag, with legs tied and a duffel bag weighing 4,5 kg.

    Horror. So you’re walking along a country road, and then, suddenly, a bag jumps towards you.
    Skok, skok ....
    From China.

    Aliexpress delivery :)
  18. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket April 4 2017 03: 38
    0
    I saw "tigers" at the "window dressing" in one of the KTPO border detachments in 87. Ours were in no way inferior to them. hi But, I must admit, the Chinese were more spectacular, as they showed various Wushu techniques. But then the impression was that physically they were still inferior to our specialists.
  19. Alexdark
    Alexdark April 4 2017 04: 24
    0
    What to believe? This is the Chinese, like the Severkors, are very fond of lying. In everything, in everything. The first spacewalk of them, in the pool with Photoshop, remember ... Yes, they have an idea, ideological people, as if to exaggerate everything. Ideological ... yes of course. Democratic China is suddenly ideological, atm then there is no communism, for show, somewhere it’s chirped.
  20. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem April 4 2017 05: 48
    0
    Information “hides” not only behind the regime of secrecy, but also behind the fuzziness of the concepts themselves. I will explain. Many people remember Goebbels’s words about what a lie should be in order to be believed in it. But few understand that the same can be done with the truth.

    The Chinese themselves created a veil of rumors and supposedly "leaks" about their MTR. This, for example, is like in a forest at night - it is not known who wanders around, the brain draws various horrors, and in the morning you see traces of some badger ..
    But underestimate them certainly is not worth it.
  21. shinobi
    shinobi April 4 2017 06: 23
    0
    They certainly have a fizuha, it’s recognized by everyone. It was only when our specialists went to exchange experiences with them, they only noted a fizuha. It was the beginning of the 2000s. Envy provokes the attitude of the state and society towards its army. Yes, it will become quite 20 years from now a serious opponent.
    1. mole
      mole April 4 2017 11: 27
      +1
      In addition to fizuhi, one must take into account their ideological charge.
  22. free
    free April 4 2017 06: 33
    +1
    in 30 seconds climb on the 5th floor? unrealistic! firefighters climb according to the standard out the window of the 4th floor with a storming ladder in 28 seconds (standard of the 1st group up to 25 years old) like firemen with a ladder, and the Chinese seem to be without it, by the way their firefighters must also climb walls without attack. they seem to have a standard (for assault), and I don’t remember something about fire fighting sport when they won.
    1. rasteer
      rasteer April 4 2017 08: 35
      0
      firefighters climb according to the standard through the window of the 4th floor with an attack ladder in 28 seconds.
      Moreover, now the world record in the region of 13 seconds. At the same time, the number of failures and injuries of athletes during the attack is simply huge.
      By the way, their fires are also likely to climb walls without attack.
      Of course, all firefighters and special forces of China undergo a mutation as a spiderman. wink
  23. Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf April 4 2017 07: 18
    +1
    And along the road, the dead with braids stand. Bullshit. They were all felled without falling. Even the Mongols were stupidly crushed by the masses. And then there were 10 thousand Dzhungar army beat 500 thousand Chinese. Even the emperor was taken prisoner. The Chinese as Arabs are not warriors.
    1. mole
      mole April 4 2017 11: 33
      0
      Quote: Starshina wmf
      The Chinese as Arabs are not warriors.

      Have you taken that from the reserve of more than 1,3 lard, they will not recruit warriors?
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  25. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA April 4 2017 12: 02
    +3
    Fuck your hands with beans to stuff? First and foremost, a MTR fighter must develop brains in the first place, and a terminator can be made a simple infantryman. Chinese tigers could jump over a 1-meter-high fence on the border with China and write something on our border post
  26. Vasya Vaskin
    Vasya Vaskin April 4 2017 12: 43
    +1
    In 2004, the Ukrainian boxing championship was held. And so, there, the light heavy boxer, smashed everybody. For once, two. But ...... when it was necessary to seriously fight with * muslims *, he escaped at the sight of them ... Many wave their legs and arms beautifully, break bricks etc ..... And will these commandos be able to blow themselves up in a hopeless situation? Or point the battery at their coordinates? As our Wars (soldiers) have always done
  27. Alexei-
    Alexei- April 4 2017 13: 26
    +1
    and, I also read about Selus scouts, they were given one chicken egg, two matches and so that in a day on the prairies he brought to the location of the part the egg was already boiled. And, more !!! about a foreign legion, they sailed from the island to the coast through a strait teeming with sharks. Also an exam. A, more. A, more ..... here are our just emptied containers being hit on the head and swimming in fountains in public. Should it be a shame? Nichrome like that, proud. Because the guys know their business servile.
    I remember as a child, the neighbor on the porch, Uncle Kolya (the foreman worked at a construction site), forgot the keys at home, but he asked the neighbor to put them on the balcony and climbed to the top floor and didn’t pass the minutes, uncle was fifty dollars, he served as the midshipman in the fleet. drunk and yelling that he was dad. Uncle Kolya did not demand satisfaction later, Uncle Kolya later seduced his redneck wife. That's what I understand. The Force of Special Operation))))
    Everyone should do their own thing, someone to climb floors, someone to guard at the exit. But, God forbid from stupidity in uniform.
  28. dumkopff
    dumkopff April 4 2017 14: 03
    +2
    Would be impressive. To go nuts would be impressive. If not for the very dubious figures. It should be noted that the article does not specify the weight of “full combat equipment”. Generally a very loose concept. It may vary depending on units and tasks. But in theory - not less than 20 kg.
    1. Climbing the wall of a brick building to the fifth floor without the use of improvised means (I carry everything with me, arms and legs) - 30 seconds.
    Firefighters with a ladder to the 5th floor - 28 seconds.
    2. Forcing a water barrier 5 km long with full equipment and weapons (automatic and 4 grenades) - 80 minutes. Kutso some full equipment and weapons. Maybe at least spare shops and cartridges add.
    MSMK without equipment and weapons - about 1 hour.
    3. Ride 10 km in a bag with tied legs and duffel 4,5 kg weight.
    Mneee ...
    4. In full combat gear, in the rain, on a broken mountain road for 12 minutes to overcome the distance: excellent - 3,5 km and more, good - 3,4 km, satisfactory - 3,3 km.
    Running 3 km - a world record of 7 minutes 20 seconds. If you run 3,5 km at such a pace, you will get 8 minutes 13 seconds. No burden. No height difference. On a flat track.
    5. Lifting on the crossbar and push-ups on the bars at least 200 times. World record - 612 times. 1 hour 40 minutes. If you sharpen on such a number of pull-ups, you will have to forget about strong legs and fast running. However - conditionally feasible.
    6. Lifting a dumbbell weighing 35 kg per minute - 60 times. Weight lifters are smiling.
    "It seems to me, gentlemen, it was a comedy."
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    2. domokl
      domokl April 4 2017 14: 49
      +2
      Quote: dumkopff
      4. In full combat gear, in the rain, on a broken mountain road for 12 minutes to overcome the distance: excellent - 3,5 km and more, good - 3,4 km, satisfactory - 3,3 km.

      Hmm ... you served in what regiment? In the grenadier? I’m from the airborne soldiers .. 1 km in the form of number 4 -2 min 55 seconds .... And the constant results were about 3.05-3.10 ... Like, too, I'm lying?
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem April 4 2017 15: 01
        +2
        1 km in the form of number 4 -2 min 55 seconds.... And the permanent results were about 3.05-3.10 ... Like, too, I'm lying?

        Well it is more like Yes..
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 April 4 2017 15: 32
        +2
        3 km shaped like number 4 -2 min 55 seconds ..

        Maybe 1 km?

        Standard for 3 km 11 min. 45 seconds excellent for infantry
      3. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem April 4 2017 19: 30
        0
        You have already fixed the error, I thought that a typo, not 3 km.
        If 1 km, then not bad. At school, in the 10th grade, 1 km ran at 3:20, the TRP standard, and one of the classmates ran at 3:05.
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      5. free
        free April 5 2017 18: 24
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: dumkopff
        4. In full combat gear, in the rain, on a broken mountain road for 12 minutes to overcome the distance: excellent - 3,5 km and more, good - 3,4 km, satisfactory - 3,3 km.

        Hmm ... you served in what regiment? In the grenadier? I’m from the airborne soldiers .. 1 km in the form of number 4 -2 min 55 seconds .... And the constant results were about 3.05-3.10 ... Like, too, I'm lying?


        Fireman 3rd group age 1km estimated 3 4min 10sec, 4 3min.50sec, 5 3min.40sec. So I think so.
  29. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 4 2017 16: 19
    +1
    What is the "special forces"? No one really knows. The concept was blurred to impossibility, and from the beginning it was not entirely clear what it was. Let's try to dance from the stove, that is, solve the problem from the goal. The military has two goals. The first is to contribute to victory in the war. And the second is the “silent war”, that is, ensuring the implementation of special operations in peacetime.
    From the first goal, who are our special forces? This is a soldier specially trained to ensure a common victory. It is clear that in general you can’t prepare infantry at a high level, there is simply no time and money. It’s also pointless. Having swollen irreplaceable and finite resources into a person, you lose him under the bombing, from which all his preparation does not help ... And in the end?
    As a result, it turns out that such special forces should be primarily ... original instructors. That is, specialists trained to solve a wide range of tasks of a real war, in a short time able to prepare people to help themselves, to solve these problems. Officers are needed to command full-time units in regular situations, on which the war "rests". And the special purpose is for solving contingency tasks, which often tip the scales in one direction or another, and which you won’t write textbooks about. You can prepare people for the "impossible" ... damn it.
    This is the topic of the article. But maybe someone will develop an idea?
    1. domokl
      domokl April 5 2017 05: 37
      0
      It’s a reasonable question ... It’s really worth talking about it ...
    2. free
      free April 5 2017 18: 20
      0
      Mikhail3
      As a result, it turns out that such special forces should be primarily ... original instructors.

      An officer should be such a little bit of special forces.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 7 2017 09: 53
        0
        Yes. The truth does not come out in any way. Very much the officer has many other duties.
    3. morved
      morved 5 June 2018 15: 10
      0
      The great war showed that the classic special forces are not really needed. Well, of course, it’s good on the principle, but if something is done, we’ll manage well without it. It is not surprising that during the post-war reduction of armies it was he who was let under the knife, first of all, all the armies of the world. And only the appearance of tactical nuclear weapons (or rather, initially simply non-strategic nuclear weapons) resurrected a niche for him. Well, action in peacetime, and then various forms of counter-insurgency operations. Incidentally, the Germans used Brandenburg against partisans in the second half of the war.

      The green berets described by you are exactly what they are intended to be primarily instructors. In the USSR and later in Russia, this did not enter. Our special forces are fighting on their own.
  30. iomoe
    iomoe April 4 2017 18: 47
    0
    Supermonsters. But only when the last time the Chinese defeated someone in the war?
  31. Wengr
    Wengr April 4 2017 23: 53
    0
    Quote: Ruslan 77
    Airborne infantryman))))))))) Like yes, you're lying, a sofa cutter.

    What the hell is that?
  32. Sedoy
    Sedoy April 5 2017 15: 47
    0
    * For some reason, it is believed that the appearance of "seals", "leopards", and other "animals" guarantees victory with a 100% result.
    ------------------------------

    Well ... there is every reason ...
    Classical warfare - army to army has not been waged since the end of World War II ...

    A single front line, hundreds of kilometers long, is also not there at the same time ...

    those. all so-called military operations (operations) take place at the local level and as a rule do not even reach the scale of the city - but mainly a house / street / quarter ...

    the latter are not "urban" fights, in large numbers, were fought except that in Vietnam ....
    and even there it was expressed in partisan, on the one hand, and punitive, on the other, actions ...

    so the current base is bd comes down to a raid of aviation / artillery stripping, and then jihadzhips or special forces ...

    perhaps this is also due to the fact that the “cool armies” did not collide with each other for a long time - all their activity was reduced to “stupid pursuit of partisans” on donkeys ...
    we have it from Afghanistan, pin:) dos from Vietnam

    therefore, messages look so strange that as a result of a bomber attack, another barmale of the rank of battalion commander was destroyed ...

    just imagine the "cost" of such liquidation ... :)
    given the costs of reconnaissance, the flight of a bomber, the cost of a precision bomb ...

    as a result, wars go on for years, losses from all sides are minimal, as a rule, there are no territorial shifts ...

    it turns out that it’s easier to hire a crowd of professional killers and order them barmaley ... :)
    well i.e. the same special forces ... :)

  33. DV Coms
    DV Coms April 7 2017 12: 18
    +2
    Quote: rasteer
    and they collect in the yards at the Olympic Games?
    And you do not believe everything that is written here, you read the official documents the standard of the master of sports in open water 5 kilometers - 10 minutes.

    Quote: Sedoy
    So it turns out that it’s easier to hire a crowd of professional killers and order them barmaley.

    Is that not so? Where really needed?
  34. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko April 7 2017 12: 22
    0
    thanks Alexander for an interesting article. somehow he tried to find the materials specifically for China's .... request found almost nothing, just just official reports from the competition, and almost everything. either fiction or golimaya dez.
  35. ROM1077
    ROM1077 April 9 2017 17: 45
    +1
    and Serdyukov the scoundrel, the Berda brigade of special forces disbanded