Turkey completed the tests of the main battle tank Altay

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Tests of the promising Turkish main combat tank Altay completed. The Otokar company, which developed the first pre-production samples of the Altay tank, completed all tests of the combat vehicle and is ready for its release, the militaryhistorical portal "Warspot" with reference to the portal defensenews.com
Altay completed the hardest qualification test. He was tested for mobility, endurance, including, over rough terrain and in different climatic conditions. In addition, the tank completed fire tests and survivability testing. Altay showed that is one of the best main battle tanks of modern times,
- said the general director of the company Otokar Serdar Gorguts.
According to previously announced plans, the first batch of Altay tanks will consist of 250 units, which should be commissioned by the Turkish army within five years. In total, the Turkish military plans to purchase 1000 new tanks, in addition, the company Otokar plan to establish their export assembly.
Turkey completed the tests of the main battle tank Altay

It should be noted that despite the readiness for mass production, the developers have not yet chosen the engine for the tank. It was originally planned to develop a new engine in collaboration with the Japanese company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Then the military ordered the development of the engine of the Turkish company Tumosan. In January of this year, it became known that the company Tümosan terminated the contract with the Austrian company AVL List GmbH, which was to transfer to the Turkish contractor the technology for the production of motors. Thus, the mass production of tanks was put at risk. However, in March, a Memorandum was signed on the possibility of supplying Ukrainian diesel engines of the 6TD-3 type with a capacity of 1500 l. with. development of the Kharkov engine design bureau. Since the contract for the supply of Ukrainian engines has not yet been signed, it is not yet clear what kind of engine Altay will be equipped with.
The mass of the new Turkish tank is 60 t, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h. The combat vehicle has a reservation system from Roketsan, as well as active protection and fire control systems developed by Aselsan. In addition, Altay tanks will be equipped with radiation and chemical threat detection systems. The cost of producing one unit is estimated at about $ 5,5 million, and about $ 500 million was spent on developing a new tank. According to the plans of the Turkish Defense Ministry, Altay tanks will have to be replaced by German Leopard 1A and Leopard 2A, as well as the American M48 and M60, which are in service Turkish army.
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  1. +1
    30 March 2017 18: 46

    Altai? Charles?
    1. +11
      30 March 2017 18: 49
      And these got in touch with Ukraine. Do not see this tank a bright future ...
      1. +8
        30 March 2017 19: 05
        Leopard as Leopard well, the name is different, well, still the Soviet engine of 1980
        1. +6
          30 March 2017 19: 24
          The trouble is that the Soviet engine Ukrainians forced 200% and at the same time they have an Achtung in the country ... and damn it, one of the best tanks, how to understand this ??? Not that it's better than tip96 or something else from the last century, but damn it, the 21st century and I doubt very much that without a tank school you can create a mega tank from scratch that will compete with the leaders ...
          1. +9
            30 March 2017 19: 37
            Quote: Alex_Rarog
            The trouble is that the Soviet engine Ukrainians forced 200%


            What trouble is this, the dviguna is still no one except in the layout has not seen. The 6TD-3 engine was launched back in the 1980s for the KhKBM promising tank Object 477 (Hammer). After so many years, its overall layout was publicly demonstrated in September 2011 in Nizhny Tagil at the VIII International Exhibition of Arms, Military Equipment and ammunition (REA-2011), and then already announced the preparation of 6TD-3 for mass production. This preparation And now vague doubts torment the ability of the Malyshev Plant to bring this engine to acceptable levels of reliability and resource in the current industrial and economic conditions.

            Yes, and it is doubtful that the engine should be done for 37 years, well, Muscovites didn’t give it up to the collapse, but why didn’t they make a damn thing about it in the remaining 27 years of pure, not defiled by damned Muscovites?
          2. +9
            30 March 2017 20: 25
            In vain doubt.
            The tank and engine still do not (from the word in general), but it already runs at a speed of 70 km / h ...
            He, go, and shoot without a cannon and an SLA might.
            What is a tank school where they can do it?
            1. +1
              30 March 2017 22: 31
              Chinese, the main thing is to provide the right amount of L.S (Human Forces)
        2. 0
          30 March 2017 19: 25
          Trucks like for the highway, as off-road running interesting
    2. +8
      30 March 2017 19: 01
      Well, correspondent authors ...
      it is not yet clear which engine will be powered by Altay.

      And right there
      The mass of the new Turkish tank is 60 tons, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h.

      With an unknown engine and known mass, the speed is already measured!
      Carlsonchik however.
      1. LEK
        +5
        30 March 2017 20: 35
        They have German MTU engines. And in the first party in 250 Altai there will be a German heart.
        In general, the Turks may not bother and not spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the development of a new engine. This is purely ambition of Erdogan, in order to gain independence from the European Union.
        Recently, the Turks ordered new parts and engines for leopards 2, which participated in the Shield of Efvrat, but the Germans refused to supply ... So there you go.
        1. +5
          30 March 2017 20: 55
          Quote: LEK
          In general, the Turks may not bother and not spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the development of a new engine. This is purely ambition of Erdogan, in order to gain independence from the European Union.
          Recently, the Turks ordered new parts and engines for leopards 2, which participated in the Shield of Efvrat, but the Germans refused to supply ... So there you go.

          Well, you yourself answered why the Turks should bother. They’re doing it right. Of course, they haven’t reached their development, but they are going in the right direction.
    3. +1
      31 March 2017 09: 14
      I thought that Altai is closer to Russia than to Turkey. Well, judging by the name, Altai is like Russia. or am I wrong?
  2. +1
    30 March 2017 18: 48
    Why do not we shoot an awesome movie about Armata and about the T50, well, about something else ?? !!
    1. +9
      30 March 2017 18: 53
      Quote: garx
      0 garx New    
      Today, 18: 48
      Why do not we shoot an awesome movie about Armata and about the T50, well, about something else ?? !!

      It’s not just cool videos that we shot, but entire films based on the shopping star!
    2. +7
      30 March 2017 18: 55
      And then we don’t have ?! belay
    3. +6
      30 March 2017 19: 02
      Keep:

      !!
      1. 0
        31 March 2017 07: 31
        Oh well, it's just slicing with GoPro, I mean a full movie. For example, hire Fedor Chipmunk and let him shoot a 2-minute video, on YouTube likes from envious people drool.
  3. +12
    30 March 2017 18: 48
    It was a decent car. The Turks did a good job. And did not hesitate to use someone else's experience, which is also good. There is no need to invent a wheel.
    1. +3
      30 March 2017 18: 55
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      It was a decent car. The Turks did a good job. And did not hesitate to use someone else's experience, which is also good. There is no need to invent a wheel.

      The hodgepodge, Bastion and Leopard, turned out to be a Turkish tank.
      1. 0
        31 March 2017 09: 32
        Well, what a hodgepodge there. The Turkish tank is a spout of the South Korean Black Panther, which is not surprising.
    2. +7
      30 March 2017 18: 57
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      It was a decent car. The Turks did a good job. And did not hesitate to use someone else's experience, which is also good. There is no need to invent a wheel.

      Well, if YOU praised the Turks, then the tank sucks .... lol
      1. +12
        30 March 2017 19: 01
        Quote: Samaritan

        Well, if YOU praised the Turks, then the tank sucks .... lol

        Are you sure you are better at BT?
    3. +5
      30 March 2017 18: 58
      and the Turks have to do with it? it was the Koreans who did their work and made their black panther. and then they simplified it and so Altai appeared.
      1. +2
        30 March 2017 20: 17
        They didn’t simplify anything there. Just originally it was a solid Korean tank, localized in Turkey.
        Then the Turks were ruined by their NATO allies. I had to turn to the Ukrainians. Well, actually, it turned out what happened.
        1. +2
          30 March 2017 20: 56
          Quote: Spade
          I had to turn to the Ukrainians. Well, actually, it turned out what happened.

          Well, so far only a memorandum has turned out. The history of Altai continues.
          1. +2
            30 March 2017 21: 56
            Quote: Yeraz
            Well, so far only a memorandum has turned out. The history of Altai continues.

            C'mon, the Germans, even with formally normal relations with Turkey, managed to put sticks in the wheels of their ally.
            And now, with the elections on the nose ... I'm afraid everything will be even worse.
    4. +1
      30 March 2017 22: 29
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      It was a decent car.

      This "decent car" was at least twenty years late.
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      There is no need to invent a wheel.

      Is the wheel a leopard? Then what is “armata” in your comparison?
      1. +3
        31 March 2017 07: 59
        Quote: KaPToC

        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        There is no need to invent a wheel.

        Is the wheel a leopard? Then what is “armata” in your comparison?

        This is an attempt to create a conceptual breakthrough in BT.
  4. +6
    30 March 2017 18: 48
    Still, the Turks are great, they don’t buy but try to produce it themselves .. Check them on the tank Biathlon! Weakly our kind of like "allies" hehe heh ..
    1. +1
      30 March 2017 18: 57
      I think that our Minister of Defense will be against it.
      The name in Russian transcription is Altai.
      What if something happens.
      The world community will cry out - Altai is the most-worthless tank.
      Come then prove that you are not a camel.
      1. +7
        30 March 2017 19: 57
        Quote: demo
        I think that our Minister of Defense will be against it.
        The name in Russian transcription is Altai.
        What if something happens.
        The world community will cry out - Altai is the most-worthless tank.
        Come then prove that you are not a camel.

        Well, Russians are now in a “brand” in the world ...! We raised this chicken coop of the world again .. laughing Turks in this tough world are trying to establish themselves as an independent country and for that I respect them ..! Especially if they are friends with Russia, they will succeed (within the limits of course ..) The main thing is that the Turks "Abrams" and "Merkava" do not appear .. Then everything, extinguish the light ...
        1. +2
          30 March 2017 20: 19
          abrams and merkavas- carcasses of the light. Are they ,, invulnerable ??? I don’t understand panic ... Tigers stopped at one time, albeit with losses, but stopped ...
          1. +5
            30 March 2017 20: 38
            Quote: Suhow
            abrams and merkavas- carcasses of the light. Are they ,, invulnerable ??? I don’t understand panic ... Tigers stopped at one time, albeit with losses, but stopped ...

            I'm talking about politics ...! The tigers were stopped of course, but they could have been without such enormous losses .. (now it seems like the 41st is planned again ..) The main thing is not to become isolated inside the country, we are being forced to do this again ..
            Here is the good news ..
            Russia and Serbia signed an agreement on the supply of MiG-29 fighters to Belgrade
            https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91968/

            And the Abrams and Merkavs will threaten the world, but not of Russia ... We will never be in their "clip" ... Most likely, as in their films "who will quickly pull out the Colt and shoot .." negative We have a different understanding in world politics .. hi
            1. +11
              31 March 2017 05: 18
              In fact, you are 100% right, but with the wording recourse
              "who is quicker to pull out the colt and shoot .."
              Colt is a useful thing, but it causes negative associations. "Mr. Colt" ruled during the conquest of the Wild West and unbridled lawlessness. The Americans provoked the Indians to resistance and cynically destroyed them, which they are doing now. But as Fedya from Operation Y said
              - Shurik, this is not our method! request
              The words of A. Nevsky "Who is to us with a sword ..." Well, or the words of Abdullah from "The White Sun of the Desert" are more suitable for us
              “The dagger is good for whoever has it.” And woe to him who does not have it.
              I completely agree with everything else. hi
  5. +1
    30 March 2017 18: 48
    Really gave birth, but with the engine from Ukraine, let's see how much they will be able to ring a year! ?
  6. +1
    30 March 2017 18: 49
    Turks and the construction of tanks, things are not compatible, with all due respect, the tank will be inferior to the world's top ten clearly. There is no engine with questions, etc. ...............
    1. mvg
      +3
      30 March 2017 19: 16
      who is in the first "10" - ku then enters? and what is inferior? everything that was possible was taken from the K-2 “black panther”, the cannon and the MSA are imported, the engine will most likely be German, the suspension is South Korea ... than not a tank?
      1. +2
        30 March 2017 19: 25
        And what is Turkish there?
        1. +1
          30 March 2017 19: 49
          Development and production of components. What is the problem?
          1. +2
            30 March 2017 22: 31
            Quote: Uralsky
            Development and production of components. What is the problem?

            Most of the components are not Turkish, so the fair question is - which components did the Turks develop (and manufacture)?
            1. +3
              30 March 2017 22: 36
              Tank shells, for example, armor, active defense systems. The list is long.
              So you can ask in the opposite direction. Is Sukhoi Superjet 100 a Russian aircraft?
              1. +3
                30 March 2017 22: 39
                Quote: Uralsky
                Tank shells e.g. armor

                Did they develop their own armor alloy, or did they take from someone ready-made, fifty years behind in quality?
                Quote: Uralsky
                active protection systems

                A sense of humor is good.
                Quote: Uralsky
                Is Sukhoi Superjet 100 a Russian aircraft?

                This is a commercial project on which foreign companies earn money.
                1. +1
                  30 March 2017 22: 49
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Did they develop their own armor alloy, or did they take from someone ready-made, fifty years behind in quality?

                  and you ask them. And then at such a pace you and Lada will not be a Soviet machine.
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  A sense of humor is good.

                  this is not a sense of humor. Aselsan AKKOR is a Turkish development. How would you not like to think differently.
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  This is a commercial project on which foreign companies earn money.

                  I asked you a specific question, to which the answer will be either "yes" or "no." But judging by your pouring water, it is understandable in principle. By the way, a very interesting question is who makes money on the SSJ-100. In particular, Russia as an investor.
                  1. +1
                    30 March 2017 23: 11
                    Quote: Uralsky
                    and you ask them. And then at such a pace you and Lada will not be a Soviet machine.

                    I didn’t just ask. If they bought on the side — then someone will sell them the news, if they themselves have developed - something, I doubt the ability of the Turks to design an alloy with characteristics close to the leaders.
                    Quote: Uralsky
                    this is not a sense of humor. Aselsan AKKOR is a Turkish development.

                    So, there wasn’t and bam - did? This does not happen.
                    Quote: Uralsky
                    I asked you a specific question, to which the answer will be either "yes" or "no."

                    You are comparing a project that is important for the country's defense with a project that does not affect this defenses in any way, but what the difference is whose superjet, even Chinese, doesn’t allow the pilots to fight in it. Therefore, I am not writing my answer to your pointless, unnecessary question in this discussion.
                    1. +1
                      30 March 2017 23: 26
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      I didn’t just ask. If they bought on the side

                      what did you buy on the side? The Turks have been producing various armored vehicles for several days. And they certainly do not exchange armor for tomatoes in Russia.
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      Something I doubt the ability of the Turks to design an alloy with characteristics close to the leaders

                      What does this conjecture have to do with the original question? It was not about characteristics at all.
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      So, there wasn’t and bam - did? This does not happen.

                      As it happens. Turks produce both radar and ammunition, and these are the main elements of KAZ. Israel didn’t have it either, and then they did a bam. And successfully use. Unlike the Russian Federation, for example.
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      You compare a project that is important for the country's defense with a project that does not affect this defense

                      I do not compare projects. I asked if the Superjet 100 is a Russian aircraft or not. And if he still I hope is Russian, then what is Russian about him?
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      Therefore I do not write my answer

                      Not at all. It's just that this question is not convenient for you personally.
                      1. 0
                        30 March 2017 23: 41
                        Quote: Uralsky
                        And if he still I hope is Russian, then what is Russian about him?

                        And if not?
                        Quote: Uralsky
                        I asked if the Superjet 100 is a Russian aircraft or not.

                        I would like to draw your attention to the fact that imported components for the jet are not being sanctioned.
                        Quote: Uralsky
                        It's just that this question is not convenient for you personally.

                        It can not be answered "yes" or "no." We can talk about the degree of localization, if such a term is suitable for the machine designed in Russia. Altai is not designed in TURKEY.
                    2. +1
                      31 March 2017 00: 44
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      And if not?

                      no and no trial. Then the question remains where and what the money of Russian taxpayers went to.
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      It can not be answered "yes" or "no."

                      Quite possible. Here is a Ford Focus of Russian production, whose car is it? Probably all the same American, albeit worse quality?
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      Altai is not designed in TURKEY.

                      and where is Otokar and its design bureau located?
                      1. +1
                        31 March 2017 21: 29
                        the Turks tried not to be accused of illegitimate copywriting based on leopard 2 using Korean technolonies to slap a tank for free.
                        in the end, they threw all the clumsy asshole and what they will release, from which, and which components are not clear. almost all of them refused because the Turks impudently tried to clear the technolonies.
                        Well, maybe Ukrainians will sell them technology on their engines that last century deep. put on a box of obscure armor ukrodvigun and will be watered.
                        in order to produce a battle-worthy tank, one must have both a scientific and technical base, and the Turks thought to cook up a freebie. all boil and make suckers. only suckers then they themselves. Of course, there wasn’t much money swelled, but the money was thrown out.
                  2. 0
                    31 March 2017 10: 25
                    Quote: Uralsky
                    and Lada will not be a Soviet machine.

                    "Penny" was created on the basis of Fiat 124 after the conclusion
                    general agreement on August 16, 1966 between the Italian company Fiat and the Soviet Vneshtorg on scientific and technical cooperation in the development of passenger cars. Within its framework, the project for the construction of an automobile plant in the USSR was approved. This agreement also determined the models themselves: two cars in the “normal” configuration with sedan (VAZ-2101) and station wagon (VAZ-2102) and a luxury car (VAZ-2103). As a prototype for the "norm" was immediately identified Fiat 124, received in 1967 the title "Car of the Year."


                    As a result, our engineers made about 800 changes to the same Fiat 124, was Russified and received the Fiat 124R index. The same "treshka" only Italian assembly
                    The Russification of the Fiat 124 turned out to be extremely useful for the FIAT company itself, which has accumulated unique information about the reliability of its machines in extreme operating conditions.
                    fellow
                    So the "Lada" can be called a Soviet machine with a certain stretch
              2. +1
                31 March 2017 00: 03
                [quote = Uralsky] Is the Sukhoi Superjet 100 a Russian aircraft?
                Still would! What about aluminum?
          2. 0
            April 1 2017 01: 00
            Who is the constructor? What components are turkish?
      2. 0
        30 March 2017 19: 29
        Quote: mvg
        who is in the first "10" - ku then enters? and what is inferior? everything that was possible was taken from the K-2 “black panther”, the cannon and the MSA are imported, the engine will most likely be German, the suspension is South Korea ... than not a tank?

        You can still take shells from the Americans, they say the best uranium, there will be ... a good tank .......... there is no school and the Turks will not have it soon, the Turks are not able to engine, guns, etc. do it yourself, what could be the questions?
        1. mvg
          +4
          30 March 2017 20: 29
          Turks are not under sanctions. They can buy a license for both the engine and the gun and armor. Common technologies are Korean. What is the problem? Will the tank get worse from this? If you take all the best that is in the global tank building? The German engine is the best, so that there would be no arguing about their diesel engines (and ours, with a dvigun from KV and T-34), 120 mm M256, for ready NATO’s shells - there are no options, hydropneumatics - like K- 2 and type 10, LMS - Korea ..
          PS: Everything is fine with them, since 1000 pieces are going to be done. Reduce the price tag, recapture part of the BV arms market. “Sabra” and Leo - 2A4 will release their secondary wound
          1. +2
            30 March 2017 20: 57
            Quote: mvg
            Reduce the price tag, recapture part of the BV arms market.

            At the beginning, their market will be more than enough for them, given the state of their tank fleet.
            1. mvg
              +1
              30 March 2017 22: 40
              In which condition? M60 went through modernization to Sabra, Leo - 2A4 is a medium tank for Europe, for BV in general super. Who should Turkey fight with? Only Jews have a better condition. Syria is not a fighter, it fights on the T-55 and T-62, Iraq - only only after the war, there are few Abrashek, mostly the remains of what was not destroyed in 1991 and 2003, Iran - for so many years under sanctions ... modern very few, hardly more than fifty. Pakistan is a friend, comrade and brother, and the most modern there is the T-80UD and Al-Khalifa (in my opinion). So the Turks are almost "in chocolate". KSA and Qatar are also friends, and they won’t climb to Turkey ...
              PS: if there are export orders, the Turks will make a factory as builders - they are great.
          2. +1
            30 March 2017 21: 57
            Quote: mvg
            Turks are not under sanctions.

            You tell the Germans.
          3. 0
            30 March 2017 22: 44
            Quote: mvg
            Turks are not under sanctions. They can buy a license for both the engine and the gun and armor. Common technologies are Korean. What is the problem? Will the tank get worse from this? If you take all the best that is in the global tank building? The German engine is the best, so that there would be no arguing about their diesel engines (and ours, with a dvigun from KV and T-34), 120 mm M256, for ready NATO’s shells - there are no options, hydropneumatics - like K- 2 and type 10, LMS - Korea ..
            PS: Everything is fine with them, since 1000 pieces are going to be done. Reduce the price tag, recapture part of the BV arms market. “Sabra” and Leo - 2A4 will release their secondary wound

            can a couple of small and modest questions? If everything is as easy as you painted here, why did many rich European countries not go this way? Why didn’t India go this way, but buy Russian tanks and do it at home and slowly create something of its own? You said the Turks are not under sanctions? But what about the refusal of Germany and Austria to supply engines? Have you read the article? .................................................
            ......................... You told the Leopards 2A4 to the secondary market, so the Turkish Tank prodigy wafer do you think will be better than Leo 2A4? ...... .............................. You cheered me up!
            1. mvg
              0
              31 March 2017 00: 36
              I am happy for your mood. Most countries in Europe have a tank fleet of 100-200 pcs, it’s pointless to deploy their production (it’s shown in the article that the research institute spent $ 500 million), just buy a hundred Leo -2 at 5-6 million / pcs, or used Leo - 2A4 from the same Holland and the Bundeswehr, 1.5 million each, as the Poles did, for example.
              The Germans, with their MTU 883, just want to supply finished units, and not share technologies .. They will not buy from the Germans, they will buy from the Kaklov 6TD-3 or from the Chinese, or our B-84. No problem. Right now, "runs" with a German diesel engine.
              The Hindus have already tried to make their "Arjun", apparently they went the wrong way))) But stopudovo that the T-90 is the last foreign tank that they bought .. and they do it at home (T-90S). Right now they will upgrade to MS and EVERYTHING.
              Altai is better than Leo - 2A4, which right now is among the Turks. Definitely ... I think that it is at about 2A6.
              ZY: Do not thank for the mood .. Not at all
        2. 0
          30 March 2017 22: 34
          Quote: Pirogov
          You can still take shells from the Americans, say the best uranium

          Uranium shells have a higher density, not more. With equal dimensions, the projectile is heavier, but such a projectile needs a more powerful powder charge, a more durable (and expensive) barrel, a heavier platform - which can withstand recoil.
  7. +2
    30 March 2017 18: 50
    "Altai" one in one clone Leopard 2, apparently the characteristics and survivability are about the same!
    1. +1
      30 March 2017 18: 59
      This is a simplified version of the Korean black panther.
      Koreans developed it, and the Turks brought pure paper for drawings there.
      and emnip, it seems, the Turks also worked on the tower, they removed the AZ and expanded the tower so that the loader fits.
  8. +4
    30 March 2017 18: 50
    Turkey spoils relations with Europe just in time, especially with Germany, half of the tank is German components, another half are Korean. Normal turkish tank smile As usual in the east, "Good show off is more expensive than money"
    Something tells me.
  9. 0
    30 March 2017 18: 51
    leopard mmmpim
  10. +2
    30 March 2017 18: 55
    60 tons? belay But why? Regarding the engine, Ukrainians should not miss the chance to earn money in order to have money for the development of their own APU.
    1. +1
      30 March 2017 19: 15
      Quote: Moby_by
      60 tons? belay But why? Regarding the engine, Ukrainians should not miss the chance to earn money in order to have money for the development of their own APU.

      And why not 60 tone is quite suitable for an Asian theater. Do not believe me, ask the Jews!
      1. +3
        30 March 2017 20: 31
        engines that Ukraine can offer is not even yesterday.
        Ukrainian engine is comparable with German and French diesel engines of the 60s.
        and then the German will be preferable.
        Btr Fuchs was decommissioned after 30 years of service and the original engine worked like a clock.
        on tanks of course the engine has to be changed, the loads are completely different.
        1. +3
          30 March 2017 22: 24
          Quote: Alexaner Arier
          Btr Fuchs was decommissioned after 30 years of service and the original engine worked like a clock.

          The phrase is nothing. How many kilometers have passed? How many hours did the engine work? How many average repairs were carried out? What does "original engine" mean? More questions to ask? I can answer! He stood for 30 years once a year making a 3km run. or even plant once every 5 years with reconservation. I also started a BMP-1 company in 1998 (73 years of production — it smelled of factory paint), set up a battery and started up with a half kick. Although on the beh, the engine is, to put it mildly, capricious. They just put it in a high-quality storage. And you "30 creeps, BTR fuuuukssss."
          1. +1
            31 March 2017 19: 03
            It would be foolish to talk about the technology standing in storage. the worn out bert was.
            Byssy 150 ran. I don’t remember how many times I tried the suspension, but three or four times. I skipped over landfills so there were repairs. and the engine only changed the fuel and oil systems, the visited units were, of course, the usual service.
        2. mvg
          0
          30 March 2017 22: 43
          In fact, read something about the 6TD-3 plant named after Malysheva, then you will talk about 60 years
    2. +3
      30 March 2017 20: 24
      about the development of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - I doubt that I live here in Ukraine, but I saw the dough and the construction of something like a wall of egg - that's yes ...
      1. +2
        30 March 2017 21: 16
        And where is your wall being built? Normally, your defense industry works. You are a self-sufficient country, you can build everything and a tank, and an airplane, and a rocket, and small arms. You have to believe more in your own strength and you will succeed.
  11. 0
    30 March 2017 19: 03
    The mass of the new Turkish tank is 60 tons, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h.

    is it curb weight or what? speed on which coverage?
    1. +2
      30 March 2017 20: 30
      This is the speed of the 3D version on the monitor
  12. 0
    30 March 2017 19: 04
    That is, in addition to the prototype, there is no tank as such! I won’t be surprised if the Turks buy engines from us!
  13. +3
    30 March 2017 19: 13
    supplies of Ukrainian diesel engines of type 6TD-3 with a capacity of 1500 liters. with. and these are ready to lie under anyone .. if only it would be convenient.
    1. +3
      30 March 2017 19: 14
      sell and rusty Ukraine already to the Turks .. all the money.
  14. +1
    30 March 2017 19: 35
    wait what the Kurds say
  15. 0
    30 March 2017 20: 14
    If you get to the dill diesel - Khan tank. Pollard greenery spent on development and have not decided on the engine? Something badly "soaped up" such infa wassat and so, much like a “Leopard” looks like.
  16. +3
    30 March 2017 20: 26
    Turks, like the Tatars, consider themselves to be unbelievably cunning. the Turks actually tried to copy leopard 4a and put Korean technology in this project so that Germany would not accuse of copying. but neither the German quality nor the Korean technology could be mastered by the Turks.
    and modern Turk engines tried to steal from everyone, but they all sent them. now they have come to ukra that would at least put something on their tanks.
    for the release of armor, technology and special production are needed; for the production of modern devices and control systems, the Turks have no prospects at all.
    and they will all buy and collect something mediocre and simply compare the whole of Europe with the leopard and mix Canada and Canada, which have been riding leopards for 40 years. Yes, and Turkish people bought old leopard models and orgasms when compared with the rest of the trash.
  17. +1
    30 March 2017 20: 26
    Good tank. The Turkish Army will receive a powerful resource in the near future, which is very important in the confrontation with Iran ...
  18. 0
    30 March 2017 21: 00
    Since we have a chewing gum with the Turks, friendship with the Turks, we must invite them to this tank altitude. So let's see what he is in business.
  19. 0
    30 March 2017 21: 24
    Rear view mirrors? Are you seriously?
  20. 0
    30 March 2017 21: 34
    Altai in Russia, and why a Turkish tank with that name?
    1. +2
      30 March 2017 21: 55
      Like Ararat. The mountain is considered a symbol of Armenia, although it is located on the territory of Turkey. You can figure out these Asians.
    2. 0
      31 March 2017 04: 49
      In honor of some Turkish commander, his surname was Altai
  21. +1
    30 March 2017 21: 42
    Everything has a beginning. Turkey was late but could catch up.
  22. +1
    30 March 2017 21: 52
    A variation on the theme of a second-generation Western tank. 250 tanks in five years will produce 4,16 tanks per month, it’s not clear which engine ... Well, let's see
  23. 0
    30 March 2017 22: 00
    I would really like to know what the survivability tests were carried out. 60 tons, what is the specific pressure on the ground? on what soil can he pass? what power reserve? What is the motor resource? Another Turkish Durkava / Leoperd / Arbams? a tank is an offensive weapon. where is turkey preparing to invade?
    1. +2
      30 March 2017 22: 04
      From leopard-2 there are tracks and drive wheels. And support wheels ... And supporting ones with a steering wheel and track tensioning system ...
  24. +3
    30 March 2017 23: 13
    Quote: LostCoast
    Like Ararat. The mountain is considered a symbol of Armenia, although it is located on the territory of Turkey. You can figure out these Asians.

    Yes, just to read, I would say stupidly interested, I probably need more. The Altai tank is named after General Fakhretdin Altai. General Altai commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps of the Turkish Army during the Revolutionary War. He participated in the defeat of the Greek and Italian expeditionary forces occupying the western parts of Turkey, as well as in battles with troops of other Entente countries.
    1. 0
      31 March 2017 07: 53
      Occupying the western parts of Turkey, it’s funny, maybe it’s the other way around, it’s the nomadic Seljuk Turks who occupied these territories
      1. +2
        31 March 2017 11: 54
        You know, all this is talk for the poor. Damaging philosophy of losers. That is, the moans and noises of the defeated or small peoples who have long lost their statehood due to their weakness or inability to create strong and self-sufficient states .. The Ottoman Empire, and before it, the Seljuk empire has existed in this geography for more than 500 years. Historically, this is a lot, bearing in mind that the Caucasus and Crimea (not to mention Kaliningrad, etc. :) Russia finally annexed itself only in the 19th century. According to the logic of these "deprived" small nations, the United States, most Latin American countries, and so on would have to self-destruct.
        1. 0
          April 1 2017 13: 20
          An interesting excuse, in the style of the ideas of Goebels and Hitler. Turkey is a fake state, dreaming of the imaginary past greatness of the Ottoman Empire, which destroyed and spread rot on its people in the territories it occupied by fire and scimitar. Fortunately, it fell apart, in fact, it is waiting for modern Turkey, and everything will start from Kurdistan. Why fortunately, yes, because, historically, this bunch of nomadic rapists has not given anything to humanity, except for mass cuts and genocides! No culture, scientific works and scientists - only violence and the destruction of the entire cultural heritage of mankind!
  25. +2
    31 March 2017 04: 33
    Quote: Uralsky
    Quote: KaPToC
    So, there wasn’t and bam - did? This does not happen.
    As it happens. Turks produce both radar and ammunition, and these are the main elements of KAZ. Israel didn’t have it either, and then they did a bam. And successfully use. Unlike the Russian Federation, for example.

    I belittle you laughing , it’s some kind of radar that Turkey is doing that is struggling around the world with air defense, then they wanted to buy from the Chinese, the Germans are “guarding” the shaz, over there are calls for S-400 !! And about Izrail, you tell this to schoolchildren, 90% in your scientific breakthrough is the collapse of the USSR and the flight of fools with technical promises fooled by the sweet promises. No one had rockets fired through the barrel of a gun and suddenly “sudden Hitler” they appeared among the Yavreis. Straight well, very very similar to those in the USSR. And the ATGMs you have are not even like the Amer TOU or the Naglov Javelins, but what? Whose one is just like the ATGM of the USSR?
    So fairy tales about super smart Turks that the third in the world created KAZ you tell schoolchildren.
    And by the way, about the "super duper" Korean tank - so also nothing outstanding. Over there the fascists in 45 years "MYF" harbored bully and sho? This barn was completely incapacitated, not on the pallet wherever any tanks at that time would be looking at it, but in a real War !! For it is not enough to have the coolest cannon or armor, you must still come up for War in all other parameters !! Do you know the cost of the Korean "miracle"? Which country can afford MBT for such a wild loot? Even the mattress mattresses have stinted and are still turning the old abrams of shaggy years.
  26. +1
    31 March 2017 05: 05
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Samaritan

    Well, if YOU praised the Turks, then the tank sucks .... lol

    Are you sure you are better at BT?

    The fact that you understand everything without exception, we do not even have doubts .....
  27. 0
    31 March 2017 07: 49
    Late, 30-40 years old. For that kind of money it’s easier to buy the already proven Leopard 2 and not this “copy-paste”, I'm not talking about Merkava which is a million cheaper, moreover. Or Armata for 4 million
  28. +3
    31 March 2017 09: 04
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Are you sure you are better at BT?

    Judging by your statement

    It was a decent car. The Turks did a good job. And did not hesitate to use someone else's experience, which is also good. There is no need to invent a wheel.

    you don’t understand it at all, or you are lying shamelessly.
    The Turks spent $ 500 million on pushing for some reason an extra skating rink to Korean K2 and removing “extra equipment” to make the tank cheaper. This you call "well done." Yes fucking.
    Now they can’t pick up the transmission and engine because of the additional roller. Moreover, the Koreans themselves as a result of the tests switched to other equipment. In fact, the Turks have no tank, and when it appears, it is not known, because they will not let the tank into the series with obvious problems of mismatch between the chassis, engine and transmission.
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  29. +1
    31 March 2017 09: 22
    Quote: Pirogov
    You said the Turks are not under sanctions? But what about the refusal of Germany and Austria to supply engines?

    In addition, the Koreans not only refused to transfer the TIUS and BIUS technologies to the Turks, but even refused to supply these components and now the Turks have something of their own. What the Turks were able to write and collect is generally covered in darkness. So it just looks like a K2 or Leopard. Stuffing is cheaper, Turkish Bus. The combat characteristics of the resulting mysterious.
  30. +3
    31 March 2017 10: 49
    Quote: seregatara1969
    I thought that Altai is closer to Russia than to Turkey. Well, judging by the name, Altai is like Russia. or am I wrong?

    Good day. Turks belong to Turkic language group and consider the homeland of their ancestors Altai.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 21: 15
      this is when the Turks in the Altai lived. Altai groups are more likely to be attributed to the Mongolian and Chinese nationalities. although in China this group is absolutely not related to the Chinese themselves.
      the Turks wandered several times at the foot of the Altai.
  31. +1
    31 March 2017 11: 14
    strange no engine but passed the test and develops speed recourse
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      1. +1
        April 2 2017 13: 35
        Well, of course ... therefore, the Chinese are already copying Turkish equipment, household appliances (light bulbs, generators, electrical cables, medical equipment and much more) ... They tried to do this many times ... even the Chinese made light industry products (clothes, shoes , furniture, etc.), sold under the Turkish name and made in Turkey in the world)) When buying something, they always ask us, China or Turkey? There is no need to impose your rednecks here ...
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          1. +1
            April 2 2017 21: 18
            Listen here, self-taught village wit. I did not talk about weapons. Where are the Turks, practically without anyone else’s help, they begin to take their first steps. They really are still far from China. For decades, China has received weapons and technology, first from the USSR, then from Russia. Turkey did not and does not have such an opportunity. China, with its enormous human and industrial potential, is copying everything it can. And now, on the basis of copies, it creates quite tolerable weapons, especially MLRS and armored vehicles. I’m talking about this: "and the Turks are much dumber and lazier than the Chinese, they can’t even copy with a loss of quality" ... No need to generalize, the first guy in the village. These "Turks" took over all technologically sophisticated construction projects in the Russian Federation ...
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  32. +2
    31 March 2017 11: 46
    Quote: Uralsky
    Aselsan AKKOR is a Turkish development. How would you not like to think differently.

    Are you so knowledgeable what is your source of information? And then it looks like a prototype Saab LEDS.
    The development term hints more at adapting something than developing from scratch.
  33. +1
    April 4 2017 10: 49
    Russian name is similar to abrams but in fact zilch!

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