Peaceful atom for blue-eyed

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Perhaps the “naive sovereignty” of the Republic of Belarus does not manifest itself so vividly as in the energy issue, and specifically in the construction of a nuclear power plant in Ostrovets. This NPP is being built by Rosatom (Atomstroyexport JSC), and it is clear that it is for a Russian loan. In Russia, this topic is little discussed, unlike in Belarus. But in Belarus, it is discussed constantly and very nervously: the people are against. People against the "peaceful atom". In addition, Lithuanian neighbors viciously hiss.



That is, many Belarusians do not like the fact that the nuclear power plant, and what is expensive, and what is built on Russian credit, and the fact that dependence on Russian fuel rods is formed, and the fact that Poland does not want to buy electricity from it , and the fact that supposedly an excess of unnecessary energy is formed. In short, everything is bad, everything is sad.

We sort through the points. First of all, any industrial society needs a large amount of electrical energy, this trend arose at the end of the 19-th century and then everything went on increasing. With each decade, the volume of energy produced / consumed only increased. With the smelting of iron / steel - here is somewhat different, but the production of e / e is an indicator of unmistakable. The more developed / safely our society is, the more electricity it consumes. It is needed in everyday life, in production, and transport.

It’s just that we lived for a very long time within the framework of the industrial superpower of the USSR and somehow got used to the fact that our electricity was just to hell. Just plug the plug into the socket ... We perceived electricity as something very cheap and for granted (who cut the wires for non-payment under Brezhnev?). What can I say for a long time? In fact, not everything is so simple. And even under socialism, the same Poland had certain energy problems. What is the trouble? Power generating facilities are very, very expensive, and you have to spend money here and now, and the return will go for decades. But thenwhen this particular politician will no longer be at the helm.



And the money must be spent on power generation and power lines. This is all very long and very expensive. Just an inhabitant in the USSR somehow did not think about it. Therefore, in the industrialized countries of the West there is a lot of electricity, but it is quite expensive. And what do you want? Common goods. Both for industrial enterprises and for households, paying electricity bills is a big headache.

For the countries of the third world, electricity supply in itself is a huge problem. The reason is the same - high capital intensity. But the post-Soviet citizens are not accustomed to think about it: in their view, electricity, firstly, should be, secondly, should be cheap. The trouble is that the USSR is almost gone for a quarter of a century. And yes, the very power plants that were laid down during the Soviet era, regularly give out megawatts to the network. But they do not become “newer”.

Sooner or later, it is necessary to invest in repairs, sooner or later, the old capacities must be decommissioned and new ones put into operation. So, as we remember from the school course of economic geography, the main sources of electricity are: thermal power plants, hydro power plants, and nuclear power plants. Let's start with hydroelectric power plants: they cannot be built everywhere, some of the land is flooded, the dam of a giant hydroelectric station is a very expensive thing. And there is no place to build large hydropower plants in Belarus. And small hydropower plants produce much less, much more expensive electricity. The scale effect has not been canceled.

Regarding thermal power plants: almost all the electricity in Belarus is generated for them! Great, but what is fuel? Here, in 80-e, the USSR actively built NPPs everywhere, but in connection with the well-known events, the NDP flew past the cash register, so the Poles are still actively burning coal. Such is the "ecology". (Yes, and the Poles have plans to create a nuclear power plant! And the Germans are totally against it!) By the way, Ukraine in 1991 was much more advanced energy than Poland - there they relied precisely on nuclear power, and not on coal. About 40% generation. And until now, it is the Soviet nuclear power plants that save Ukraine from complete collapse. It is they, relatives, and not the idea of ​​"Banderaism-svidomizma."

How many people like to admire the staunchness of conscious Ukrainians, whom Russia “crushes”, but they “hold on”. Ukraine is "holding on" thanks to Soviet investments in energy and infrastructure. Soviet, Carl. All that the Ukrainians were capable of was nuclear experiments with Westinghouse fuel and explosions of power lines. Thermal power plants need large volumes of coal (as we all know from News), coal must be transported literally in trains. Then burn, scattering soot around the TPP. Due to the barbaric operation, both thermal power plants and nuclear power plants in Ukraine are gradually failing. And nobody, as we all understand, will build new ones for them. HPP also needs to be repaired, if that.

But the Ukrainian government does not even think about the problem of power generation in the next decade. They expect that by the time Ukraine is plunged into darkness, they will no longer be there (Yatsenyuk path). That is, the problem of power generation is very, very specific, many simply do not understand this. Belarusian electricity generation goes, firstly, to TPPs, secondly, while mostly natural gas is burned. Great, comfortable and environmentally friendly. The only problem is that it is very, very expensive. That is, in rich Germany, it is still possible to close your eyes (although there this “Fairy tale” energy balance is not observed). But in poor Belarus ... somehow too "curly."

Peaceful atom for blue-eyed


The second source of generation - fuel oil is also not cheap and also from Russia. As a matter of fact, the Belarusians needed the nuclear power plant “just yesterday”. In fact - the cheapest energy. But they are against. Against a nuclear power plant. As an alternative, the European experience of “green energy” is necessarily mentioned. Windmills and solar panels. The trouble is that “green energy” is not just “expensive”, it is insanely expensive. Even for a rich / environmentally friendly Germany.

It is precisely the energy question that highlights the complete unpreparedness of the Belarusian society for genuine independence. The USSR, which once created the energy system of the future RB, no, and a very long time ago. In full growth, there is a problem (no, not racing with BCHB flags and not moving to the MOV) of self-sustaining the country's energy balance. But who is interested in Minsk? The very “debt for gas”, which the Belarusian side cannot cover in any way, arose in many respects precisely during the generation of electricity due to the burning of this very gas. Expensive, is not it?

That is, today gas generation of electric power to the Belarusian society is absolutely beyond our means. Sailed, Panov. The decision of "independent Belarusians" - reduce the price of gas! Now imagine how much electricity and at what prices will be generated in the Republic of Belarus under the condition “gas at market prices”, in fact this would mean an immediate collapse of the Belarusian power industry - you cannot save the integral power system with such a sharp drop in electricity production.

Electric power engineering is not only “one of the branches of the national economy,” but, this is, the basis of the economy. And so in Belarus today it is subsidized at the expense of Russia. Because cheap gas. When considering the prospects for this, Belarusian specialists consider mainly technical aspects (as in Soviet times). The billions needed to implement these technical solutions should apparently appear by themselves. People can’t understand the “price of independence”: Lithuania could shut down the nuclear power plant in Ignalina (under EU pressure), but none they will not build a new nuclear power plant. Live as you wish. And "as you like" means import e / e Before the closure of the NPP, Lithuania was an exporter ... The example of Bulgaria is no less interesting - there already in the post-Soviet time three Russian projects were hacked to death: the NPP, the gas pipeline and the oil pipeline. And that's it - hello to my family ... Bulgarians are now really angry. In Russian. The EEC is - there is no energy ...

Due to the sharp deterioration in Moscow-Minsk relations, the introduction of market prices for gas (as in Ukraine) is only a matter of time. Forgive me, what kind of fool would give billions to a “not too friendly regime” every year? But the Ukrainian power industry was based on the Ukrainian nuclear power plants and the Donbass coal (TPP). But the production (metallurgy + chemistry) actively eats up Russian gas. Belarusians to generate electricity stupidly burn Russian gas ... which they can not afford (debts are growing!). Such is the energy in the “independent” Belarus.



But at the same time, they are categorically against an “unsafe” nuclear power plant. It's funny, Moscow (!) Has been concerned about the energy security of Belarus for a very long time - hence the project of the nuclear power plant in Ostrovets. In theory, it should have been started at 10 before, but nuclear phobias ... Belarus does not have large coal, let alone gas / oil deposits, there is no excess of hydro resources either (not Norway!). But this is not Bangladesh yet (electricity is actively consumed by enterprises and the population). So, excuse me, closing the energy balance?

Belarusians are not interested in such things (as Ukrainians were not previously interested). It seems that for those that are for others, independence is in an embroidered shirt to run / jump, wave a national flag ... on a move to exercise. An “independent state” with an independent energy sector must be built by someone else. Constantly you meet comments in the Belarusian press that while “unsafe NPP” is being built in Ostrovets, “the whole world is going a different way”. That is, it is as if hinted that the solution is, is it ...

The role of this “decision” is to serve as a virtual alternative to the “bad nuclear power plant”. NPP in Ostrovets is bad because: a) unsafe, b) expensive, c) Russian. As for “safety”, any man-made object is usually unsafe: both the mine, and the chemical plant, and the hydroelectric dam ... It’s a shame of course, but this is largely a payment for civilization ... And what other options? Back to the jungle (so today the jungle is not enough for everyone)? Security needs to be ensured, this is a problem ... but by refusing you can’t decide anything. So Japan drowned out the power units of the nuclear power plant ... and faced a wild electricity shortage. And the economy is falling, and the trade balance went into a minus.

Germany after Fukushima step by step suppresses power units of nuclear power plants ... and problems grow like a snowball. A densely populated, urbanized, industrial country such as Germany / Japan is doomed to use the energy of the atom in the modern world to us (the second option is to “lie down” under Russia). As for the transition of the Federal Republic of Germany to the “alternative” energy sector, there is a mass of information and discussions on this issue in the network. In short, even in an industrial, rich and “environmentally friendly” Germany, it quickly became clear that “green energy”: a) is very expensive, b) is very unreliable, c) not a damn thing is “ecological”.



Why? And ask, how there is a "green" kilowatt hour ... "Green" products produced on "environmentally friendly" energy will be golden (already without any quotes). And it is not to sell it to anyone. No, if we close down almost all the plants in Germany and “halve” the population ... The next ambush is the periodicity of the “green generation,” that is, the sun, that is, no; the wind will blow, it will subside ... And how, I'm sorry, are you going to build around this the energetics of a whole industrial state? The solution is to keep the TPP in the “heated” state constantly. Just in case. And then the "green" energy becomes just the weight of diamonds ... And that if you do not take into account large add. Costs for power transmission lines and transformers: “relieving” voltage from one NPP is one thing, collecting it in “fields, forests and along lanes” is quite another.

As for the “environmental friendliness” of “green” energy: the mass production of solar batteries and batteries is not a damn ecological process, and the environmental pollution is enormous. "Wonderful" windmills all frankly steamed in densely populated Germany. Imagine that a giant fan is spinning around the clock in meters from 100 from your house ... haven't you tried to live in a factory? And you thought he was silent? Everything, you know, has its price, and not only in money. And its payback time is 15-20 years ... How will its gears gnash through 15 years? Cap repair, speak?

So, under the condition of normal operation of energy NPP much cheaper "green", and the problems for others are much less. Yes, I agree, every single windmill is much cheaper than a nuclear power plant unit, but we must look at the problem as a whole, on a national scale. Citizens are bred like rabbits: someone else, somewhere, at someone’s expense, will build a “green generation” - simply, quickly, cheaply and safely ... and you will only use it. In fact, a purely "green" electric power industry is permanent blackouts and monstrous energy bills. That is, the e / e of bread turns into black caviar ...

The most annoying thing is that, once in this “new wonderful world”, it is no longer possible to break through to the world, “when the father paid for the 10-ku light ...”. Think about who needs to “independently” produce electricity, if it is produced in industrial scaleworth a penny? It's like cooking soap.

About the fact that the nuclear power plant is Russian. And what were the options? Is Belarus ready to pay for the construction of a French / American nuclear power plant out of its pocket? The nuclear power plant is being built on credit by Rosatom. Russian loan. Something is wrong? Or Russia should have credited the western manufacturer of nuclear power plants? Why do we need it? This, by the way, is a very characteristic moment - Belarusians categorically do not like it when Russia derives at least some profit from cooperation with them. So it should not be - all the money and "nishtyaki" should go strictly in the direction of Minsk.



Any “turn” in this question causes a categorical rejection. So, the fact that Rosatom is earning something there on the construction of a nuclear power plant in Ostrovets does not suit Belarusians in any way. That is, Western companies in this global for Belarus project do not want to get involved with Lukashenka (and they do it right!), Belarusians cannot build a nuclear power plant in any way ... Russia remains. But it does not arouse absolutely warm feelings towards the “main ally”. Here, not even the air base and not recognition of the Crimea, here is an infrastructure project of enormous importance for Belarus. It is for Belarus, because for the Russian Federation the commercial side of this project, given the internal instability and insolvency of the customer, is a big question, but this construction does not cause any positive for the Belarusians.

The project is not military, not defensive, Belarus, moreover, has not even begun to pay for its implementation (and not the fact that it can), but there is a lot of negativity there. There were "antiatomic" demonstrations. Since the project is essentially Russian, these demonstrations are anti-Russian ... By the way, it is this NPP in Ostrovets that proves the complete absurdity of all attempts at Russian-Belarusian economic cooperation: for the “right” to create the first NPP for the Belarusians, 10 demanded a billion dollars supposedly under construction, but with free money, which is typical ... (That is, first 6, then 9, then 10 ...)

Otherwise, the project will not be implemented. Hardly so ... I wonder who needs the energy security of Belarus? Putin or Lukashenko? Why pay 10 "Lard greens" for the right to build nuclear power plants for Belarusians? Maybe stop trying to solve others Problems? Build a nuclear power plant next with the Belarusian border (you do not have to pay 10 “Lard” for this!) and in the future sell them energy. What's wrong? It is absolutely not clear that Russia receives as a result of the project in Belarus ... and given the tense current situation, it’s not a fact that it will be completed.

We at our own expense built a nuclear power plant in Ignalina - “grateful” Lithuanians closed it to hell and accused Russia of occupation, now we are building a nearby NPP in Ostrovets, and again “on our own”, which is typical (say that “dancing on a rake” - is it the national fun of Ukrainians?) ... And let us remember the mega-project on the creation of nuclear energy in Ukraine ... someone told us thanks? Yes, nuclear power plants are absolutely critical for the future of Belarus, but if the Belarusians themselves do not want to understand this, then what will you do here? Few countries on the planet live in the light of torches / kerosene? Ukraine (like many other post-Soviet countries) has lost its industry, is losing energy and is moving to the Third World, but we will not be able to help them.

Unfortunately, the level of "elites" that Ukraine, that Belarus did not allow them to stay in the "first world" (Kazakhstan holds, which is typical!) And now there is a natural process of lumpenization and "bantustanization", but we cannot help them - they are “independent” ", And for their leadership" it is better to be first in Bangladesh than the second in Switzerland "...



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  1. +5
    April 1 2017 05: 18
    The point is that nuclear power plants are built on Russian loans. And there is no doubt that it will be necessary to give credit funds, since the agreement between the two countries differs from those agreements under which Belarus used to receive money from Russia. Of course, it’s unlikely that official Minsk will be able to take and stop the construction of a nuclear power plant in Ostrovets just like that, including due to serious financial injections into this project from Russia. But the Belarusian side may well drag out the process until it is frozen due to “serious technical problems during the construction”. Subsequently, it will be possible to bargain with Moscow, and even if the latter does not make concessions, to hold a nationwide referendum by submitting to it, including the question of the need for a nuclear power plant in the country. Therefore, today, official Minsk has already begun to solve a rather difficult task - to place punctuation marks in the phrase "you can’t refuse to build."
    1. +3
      April 1 2017 06: 13
      And the meaning of the article is that what a great country was. And what scraps have turned out.
      1. +6
        April 1 2017 06: 44
        Show me this "People Against" .. Some fools with posters from Pshekia and Sprat ... By the way, the author probably doesn’t know that there are nuclear power plants on the border, in Desnogorsk, Smolensk NPP.
        1. +4
          April 1 2017 07: 17
          The author has no idea either about the energy sector (I have been working in the energy sector for many years), nor about what Belarusians and Belarus live in (I myself come from there and regularly go there).
          1. +4
            April 1 2017 07: 36
            The author is an ordinary propagandist
            1. +5
              April 1 2017 08: 35
              Quote: Lex.
              The author has no idea about energy (I have been working in energy for many years)

              I have been working in the energy sector all my life. What is wrong?
            2. The comment was deleted.
            3. +1
              April 1 2017 08: 53
              It smacks of provocation rather than propaganda ..
              Quote: Lex.
              The author is an ordinary propagandist
              1. +5
                April 1 2017 09: 28
                I read the article and express my thought: if Belarus did not need a nuclear power plant, nobody would force it to build. And if this is a construction site on the initiative of Lukashenko, then all this talk about "popular protest" is just an attempt by the liberals to "stir up the water." Protests were needed when they were just about to build a station. But they did not seem to be. So there’s nothing to talk about. Belarus needs cheap electricity and it will get it!
                1. +6
                  April 1 2017 12: 12
                  I read the article and express my thought: if Belarus did not need a nuclear power plant, nobody would force it to build. And if this is a construction site initiated by Lukashenko


                  1 Belarus’s nuclear power plants are not really needed - they are satisfied with the “gift gas”.
                  2 construction not on the initiative of Lukashenko - he is not interested in such things.
                  The nuclear power plant was not interesting to him, but the loan "under the nuclear power plant" was another matter.
                  1. 0
                    April 2 2017 00: 13
                    I’m reading an article and I think one more Olezhek appeared on VO, the same - a mess in my head, and then flipped to the end of the article - everything is in order, there are no more patients.
                    On this topic.
                    The nuclear power plant has almost been built, and here the author climbs out and tells how everything is against construction. Probably after the start of the nuclear power plant, the author will write an article that Belarusians are fools that did not agree to build a nuclear power plant, because it could already work.
                  2. +1
                    April 2 2017 05: 10

                    construction not on the initiative of Lukashenko - he is not interested in such things.

                    Yes EVERYTHING is simpler)) It's not funny, but EVERYTHING is simpler.
                    All Lukashenko’s knowledge of managing the country is gleaned from the old SimCity 2000 toy already from the distant 1994)
                    Build roads (we are still building). People start to rebel - wait for police stations, but more (and Belarus is the first in the world in the number of police per capita). Boring people - the library (the National Library in the form of a diamond for xs how many billion dollars). The people require spectacles - the stadium (Minsk Arena + 21 Ice Palace) and the crown of the toy is a super expensive Nuclear Station (by the way, which exploded all the time in the toy) And where does the collective farmer still learn to manage the country)))
            4. +4
              April 1 2017 11: 14
              Quote: Lex.
              The author is an ordinary propagandist

              Ordinary propagandists, as a rule, are rather literate people. Like Oleg Makarenko, for example, or Irina Alksnis. Well, there are also "megastars" Soloviev, Kiselev and Leontyev.
              And Oleg Egorov simply amazes with illiteracy and incompetence. So he is a very unusual propagandist. He is a very outstanding propagandist in the wrong direction. And who only pays him for this "creativity" ....
            5. +1
              April 1 2017 11: 49
              Quote: Lex.
              The author is an ordinary propagandist

              Truth is the best propaganda tool.
          2. +2
            April 1 2017 08: 35
            I have been working in the energy sector for many years),

            Everything is not so clear there? am
            1. +4
              April 1 2017 08: 55
              In the energy sector, believe me, everything is clear .. In contrast to political provocations ..
              Quote: Olezhek
              I have been working in the energy sector for many years),

              Everything is not so clear there? am
              1. +1
                April 1 2017 09: 11
                In the energy sector, everything is clear


                Since the special tell us about the prospects of the Belarusian energy ...
                In Russian gas ... for which she did not pay for a year.
                1. +3
                  April 1 2017 09: 36
                  Yes, normal prospects. This foam will come down. I mean political and economic frictions. By the way, why does RUSSIAN gas sell to Belarus at a price 2 times higher than in the Smolensk region? Next to everything, everything could be cheaper for an ally .. The price is a little lacking as we sell to the Poles. Say, this is not an ally! Let’s break our hands. Hands would be torn off to those who run with similar posters in Belarus and here, in Russia.
                  Quote: Olezhek
                  In the energy sector, everything is clear

                  Since the special tell us about the prospects of the Belarusian energy ...
                  In Russian gas ... for which she did not pay for a year.
                  1. +1
                    April 1 2017 12: 18
                    Yes, normal prospects. This foam will come down. I mean political and economic tensions.


                    Somehow, in recent years, nothing but "foam" is not visible. If the "foam" comes off, then what remains? And at least something remains?

                    Nearby, after all, an ally could be cheaper


                    A lot of things could be possible for an ally ... on the other hand, the times of “free gas” in Russia also end irretrievably.

                    .
                  2. +3
                    April 1 2017 21: 50
                    Dmitry, why did you decide that Russia sells gas to Belarus at a price two times higher than in the Smolensk region? It is not true!
                    In 2016, the gas price for Belarus was 132 dollars per thousand cubic meters. In Russia, in the European part, the gas price for the population is plus or minus $ 100. For enterprises - 110-120. Of course, the price of a well is cheaper - Lukashenko wants to get this price for a well of about $ 80, because of this, all the cheese is boron. But we do not sell gas at this price in the domestic market. For example, in the Bryansk region, the price of gas for the population is now $ 103. Why should we sell it cheaper in Belarus?
                    If there was a normal ally, then one could still talk about something, and so ... And last year’s price is quite normal!
                    1. +2
                      April 2 2017 05: 17
                      I’ll surprise you, but Russia gave us gas 132 each last year. And the budget of Belarus was considered based on expectations 82.
                      Do you remember? $ 82 So for the population this gas costs $ 221 and for enterprises $ 278
                      Nobody knows where the difference is in Belarus, or rather, the difference goes to the presidential fund. This difference is not reflected in the budget, and nobody knows where the money from the presidency fund goes.
                      And it is precisely for this that all of Belarus hates Lukashenko.
                      1. 0
                        April 3 2017 10: 47
                        Quote: GspdjGneva
                        I’ll surprise you, but Russia gave us gas 132 each last year. And the budget of Belarus was considered based on expectations 82.
                        Do you remember? $ 82 So for the population this gas costs $ 221 and for enterprises $ 278

                        You did not surprise me at all. But internal pricing in Belarus is an internal affair of Belarus. All possible questions - to your leader. That's just to sell gas cheaper than it costs in Russia, Russia is not obliged and will not.
                        But I googled tariffs for the second half of 2016 in the Gomel region, adjacent to my Bryansk .. In the summer, gas costs 284,2 Belarusian rubles per thousand cubic meters for the population, that is, about $ 140. In the heating season and even less - 90,2 bel. Ruble - about 45 dollars. This is subject to the availability of metering devices. In a circle it turns out even less than in Russia! http://www.gorjkh.gomel.by/Tarify.html
                        And your gas prices for the population in Belarus are like a fake!
          3. +7
            April 1 2017 13: 25
            Victor Jnnjdfy Today, 11:17 ↑ New
            The author has no idea either about the energy sector (I have been working in the energy sector for many years), nor about what Belarusians and Belarus live in (I myself come from there and regularly go there).

            I’m a 40 years old man in the energy sector and tell me what the author is wrong about? Atomic energy, for today, is the cheapest.
            1. 0
              April 1 2017 16: 11
              You are older than me, but not by much. The author compares nuclear power plants during "normal operation" and "windmills" ... Don’t you, if you are a power engineer, are funny? In addition, a nuclear power plant is not only the cost of MW * h, but also a lot of related things. From object protection to its disposal.
              1. +4
                April 1 2017 19: 17
                Wind power plants are not only a wind turbine with a generator, but also batteries, converters, regulators. Nearby there should be a thermal power station or hydroelectric power station for insurance when there is no wind.
        2. +3
          April 1 2017 15: 10
          Show me this "People Against" .. A few fools with posters from Pshekia and Sprat.


          That's right. People are generally in a drum. All shares paid with Western money. Only in Lithuania there are already about twenty Belarusian opposition centers where the entire Belarusian protest electorate is trained, coordinated and financed. Lithuanians about nuclear power plants generally kept quiet until a certain time. Then they consolidated their forces, using this theme to divide the Belarusian society. Only with a modern repressive control system, a dead number. I visit Belarus every second to third month, the people in the mass support repression against all this riffraff. Yes, and such a slugger is sluggish, they work for visas, for little money. But without a twinkle.
    2. +3
      April 1 2017 07: 35
      Only if you look at the other way to give loans, Belarus after Chernobyl was left alone and the losses are 300 billion why do not you compensate for the damage to your nuclear power plant is your successor to the USSR And on this site everyone writes an unfriendly regime
      1. +7
        April 1 2017 08: 06
        But you are not aware that Russia, as the successor of the USSR, has paid international debts for many years. And the money taken then went to all the republics of the USSR. But they wished independence, but they granted Russia the right to settle debts. Moreover, some who are still trying to make Russia financial claims for the period of being in the union. Regarding Chernobyl, you’ll listen to you, it turns out that Belarus alone participated in the liquidation. Therefore, who and whom should we figure out for ourselves, and even more so without advisers from Israel.
        1. +2
          April 1 2017 10: 10
          For example, I have Belarusian citizenship, what’s wrong. I myself, Belarus, what’s wrong?
          So, at the expense of the USSR debt, a little more than 9 mln people now live in Belarus with the collapse of the USSR 10 in Russia and Ukraine, the population is ten times larger, Belarus didn’t go hungry when all the products went to Moscow by cars from the Orsha meat processing plant he saw what it was in Belarus debt?
          1. +3
            April 1 2017 15: 14
            he saw


            Moses, is that you!? belay
        2. +2
          April 1 2017 11: 23
          Quote: rotmistr60
          But you are not aware that Russia, as the successor of the USSR, has paid international debts for many years. And the money taken then went to all the republics of the USSR.

          In some way already got these illiterate cries about "all debts." Already disassembled repeatedly, including in.
          According to the “zero option” from 1993 of the year, the Russian Federation proposed an option in which the Russian Federation received ALL USSR assets (listed in the partition agreement) in exchange for paying ALL debts. Moreover, even under the agreement on the division of USSR assets from 1991, assets exceeded debts. And practically no one accepted the “zero option”, since the Russian Federation refused to give a report on the assets listed in the agreement from 1991 of the year. That is, the actual difference between debts and assets is even greater.
          So if suddenly for some reason it is not clear to someone exactly what the foreign policy of the Russian Federation looks like in this particular case, at least refrain from spelling.
          1. +4
            April 1 2017 12: 26
            According to the “zero option” from the 1993 of the year, the Russian Federation proposed an option according to which the Russian Federation received ALL USSR assets (listed in the partition agreement) in exchange for paying ALL debts


            And no one really wanted to pay the debts of the USSR.
            And above all, Ukrainians-categorically.
            The position of the Ukrainians in this matter is the most credible: we don’t know the debts of the USSR — but the assets must be divided.

            The position of Russia was completely satisfied with international lenders (even then it became clear that Russia was one thing, and all the rest ...) that is, none of the Soviet lenders was interested in knocking out their debts from different Georgia and Tajikistan.

            Therefore, Russia took over the debt, but received assets.

            Now something to “demand” is just ridiculous.
            1. +2
              April 1 2017 15: 47
              Quote: Olezhek
              And no one really wanted to pay the debts of the USSR.
              And above all, Ukrainians-categorically.
              The position of the Ukrainians in this matter is the most credible: we don’t know the debts of the USSR — but the assets must be divided.
              Uh ...
              And come on, I’ll be with you, as with the Professor. He also carries any nonsense periodically ... Proofs will be? And then you live in some kind of virtual reality ...

              And now a little real world:
              Here is a link to The contract of December 4 1991, "On the succession in relation to external public debt and assets of the USSR" http://www.studfiles.ru/preview/3844527/
              which from Ukraine was signed by Lissitsky. And somehow it turns out that the text of the contract has nothing to do with what you wrote. Ukraine was just about to pay debts. Together with the rest of the signatories. But the fact is ...
              In the text of the contract in the preamble, in particular, there is such:
              Considering the impossibility of guarantees to pay off the external debt of the USSR without resolving issues regarding the division of assets of the USSR,

              So, the Russian Federation refused to provide full information about the state of the gold reserve, diamond fund and balances of banks of the former USSR for 1 of December 1991 of the year, as well as the book value and market value of property of the former USSR abroad with international audit. Didn't you know that? Willingly I believe in it. Judging by your articles, you really have problems with knowledge. In general, the foreign policy of the Russian Federation since the time of Yeltsin is not at all something to be proud of.

              Quote: Olezhek
              Therefore, Russia took over the debt, but received assets.

              Even according to preliminary estimates from 1991, assets exceeded debts by 15 billion US dollars. And according to some estimates, the value of assets exceeded debts by 4 times - debts were by 94 billion, and assets by 400. But an audit is necessary for a precise definition - which the Russian Federation categorically refused.

              Quote: Olezhek
              Now something to “demand” is just ridiculous.
              You can’t even imagine how much joy the uncertain legal status of some objects of foreign property or other assets can bring. It will not be funny at all.
              By the way, this has already happened recently. One epic with the Noga company is worth what ... And there the amount of the claim was only 23 million dollars. It is hard to determine how much Russia’s reputation costs and lost profits ultimately cost. And also direct losses were enough. proof: http://refland.ru/2198-ref.html
              1. +2
                April 1 2017 17: 23
                Quote: Mik13
                So, the Russian Federation refused to provide full information about the state of the gold reserve, diamond fund and balances of banks of the former USSR on December 1, 1991

                Everything is fair - that anyone on the territory - then him - that was the principle of division. Someone received diamonds and gold, and someone the strongest army in Europe, at that time even stronger than the Russian.
                1. +1
                  April 1 2017 21: 13
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Everything is fair - that anyone on the territory - then him - that was the principle of division. Someone received diamonds and gold, and someone the strongest army in Europe, at that time even stronger than the Russian.

                  Nothing like this. What was the principle of the section is clearly indicated in the document, the link to which I gave. (http://www.studfiles.ru/preview/3844527/) And it is clearly indicated there that:
                  - assets of the USSR - this is the immovable and movable state property of the USSR outside its territory, gold and foreign exchange funds and reserves of the USSR, investments abroad, any financial obligations with respect to the USSR of another state, international organization or any other foreign debtor.

                  And they shared assets and debts according to this principle:
                  The share of each of the Parties in debt under the Debt on 1 of January 1991 and Assets at the time of the succession is determined on the basis of a single aggregated indicator agreed by the Parties. The distribution of USSR debt that arose in 1991 for foodstuffs and consumer goods is carried out according to the actual use by the successor states of the loans received, the rest according to the aggregated indicator.
                  .
                  And there, in the 4 article it is indicated who claims to what percentage share.
                  And this principle of the section has absolutely nothing to do with what you wrote.
                  1. +1
                    April 1 2017 21: 45
                    What was the principle of the section clearly indicated in the document, the link to which I cited


                    So, we begin to read and begin to laugh ...

                    CIS Multilateral Document, Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, USSR, Tajikistan, Ukraine,


                    The parties agreed that the shares of the subjects of the former USSR in the total debt and in the Assets, determined on the basis of a single aggregate indicator, are: (in percent)

                    Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic 61,34
                    Ukraine 16,37
                    Republic of Belarus 4,13
                    Republic of Uzbekistan 3,27
                    Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic 3,86
                    Republic of Georgia 1,62
                    Republic of Azerbaijan 1,64
                    Republic of Lithuania 1,41
                    Republic of Moldova 1,29
                    Republic of Latvia 1,14
                    Republic of Kyrgyzstan 0,95
                    Republic of Tajikistan 0,82
                    Republic of Armenia 0,86
                    Turkmenistan 0,70
                    Republic of Estonia 0,62
                    Total 100,00


                    The mechanism of repayment of shares of the Debt of the states that were subjects of the USSR, not signatory to this Agreement, is the subject of a separate agreement of the states that have signed this Treaty.


                    In short, the CIS / USSR and Tajikistan signed ... but Estonia did not sign ...

                    You understand Komrad - all this is a filkin letter and a set of good wishes.
                    it really could not be forced to work ...

                    Part of the "subjects" separated at an early stage - 7 pieces.
                    Seven Carl! Almost half a damn did not sign.

                    ... Latvian republic...

                    The only real option was Russia as the main payer.
                  2. +1
                    April 1 2017 21: 51
                    And there, in the 4 article it is indicated who claims to what percentage share.


                    Comrad - there were two options: the first (good!) Occurred in reality.
                    the second is that by now we would swear and sue ... no one would pay a damn and everyone would hunt for shares in the legacy of the USSR.
                    Scandals, swarms, swearing and courts. And every damn thing would not pay ...
                    And the property of the USSR would be stupidly arrested all over the world ... for debts.

                    How do you force the 15 republics to agree if, already at the initial stage, the 7 of them were “rolled off”?
                  3. 0
                    April 1 2017 21: 58
                    Quote: Mik13
                    Nothing like this. What was the principle of the section is clearly indicated in the document, the link to which I gave.

                    This applies to external assets. Not domestic.
      2. +4
        April 1 2017 08: 42
        Do you know how many people were removed from the infected areas? How many people have been provided with free housing since the USSR? And these "losses" about which you write - calculate the difference in the price of gas for Belarus and Poland. And calculate how much money Belarus has already received.
        1. +1
          April 1 2017 09: 07
          Dear comrade from Belarus .. Unfortunately, many people on the site are obscured by LAS statements, taken out of context, relations in economics and politics .. I think this is foam, the reception was not raised from Russia and Belarus. I lived almost fifty I’m with you in Smolensk and have relatives there and I know what they say and how they live .. Many people read publications of Regnum and other media, up to the Charter. hi
          Quote: zulusuluz
          Do you know how many people were removed from the infected areas? How many people have been provided with free housing since the USSR? And these "losses" about which you write - calculate the difference in the price of gas for Belarus and Poland. And calculate how much money Belarus has already received.
          1. +3
            April 1 2017 12: 22
            .Unfortunately, many people on the site are blinded by the statements of the LAS, and taken out of context, relations in economics and politics


            As well as articles and comments on them in the Belarusian press.
            As well as the foreign policy of Belarus.
            All this "covers" people's eyes.
            But somewhere in “parallel reality” there is a completely different Belarus ...
          2. +1
            April 1 2017 13: 01
            Dear comrade! some numbers ..
            "!" "" We will build a station of the most advanced level in the world. Thus, we will move away from electricity imports, and we will supply a significant part of it to foreign markets, "Alexander Lukashenko said five years ago.
            “” Every year in Belarus about 30-34 billion kWh of electric energy is generated. It is mainly produced at thermal power plants by burning natural gas imported from Russia.
            Electricity consumption in our country is at the level of 37-38 billion kWh. About 4-7 billion kWh of electricity Belarus imports.
            “We import about 10% of electricity, but this is not due to the fact that we do not have enough capacity. At the moment, in our country, the installed capacities fully satisfy our energy needs.


            The nuclear power plant under construction near Ostrovets will annually generate about 18 billion kWh of electricity. Even taking into account the complete substitution of imports in Belarus, an excess of electricity of 10-14 billion kWh is generated. This makes up about a third of all electricity consumed in the country.
            “This is a very difficult question, how will we consume energy from nuclear power plants, and why do we build it at all,” says Artem Bystrik (. Artem Bystrik, Energy Program Center for Environmental Solutions).
            The main argument of the authorities in favor of the construction of a nuclear power plant is a decrease in dependence on Russian gas.
            According to estimates by the Department of Energy Efficiency of the State Committee for Standardization, after the commissioning of nuclear power plants in 2020, natural gas will save about 5 billion cubic meters per year. Today, Belarus annually consumes 19,4-19,6 billion cubic meters of gas. "
            And again, Lukashenko seemed to have stepped on his favorite rake. saving on gas in the hope of selling excess electricity in the future. will receive its excess. and problems.
            Russia in ++++ -. Geopolitical project
            1. +1
              April 1 2017 13: 23
              The nuclear power plant under construction near Ostrovets will annually generate about 18 billion kWh of electricity. Even taking into account the complete substitution of imports in Belarus, excess electricity is generated in 10-14 billion kWh


              Every year in Belarus about 30-34 billion kWh of electricity is generated. It is mainly produced in thermal power plants. by burning natural gas imported from Russia.


              The Republic of Belarus is not able to pay natural gas for thermal power plants even at preferential prices.
              Energy from nuclear power plants cheaper

              Some such surplus?
            2. +1
              April 1 2017 15: 25
              And again, Lukashenko seemed to have stepped on his favorite rake. saving on gas in the hope of selling excess electricity in the future. will receive its excess. and problems.
              Russia in ++++ -. Geopolitical project


              Do you also have the birds dead? Do you know how much Belarus buys electricity? Ignalina NPP gave 50% of the generation; for this purpose, a hydraulic storage was built to reduce the cost of generating at night. Excess electricity is an industry attraction., In any form. Or are you the same, three cents for a hundred words? What a geopolitical project in the ass, your posts, this is a geopolitical project. When the projects are over, you will sit in the trench, and wait until in the last moments of life you see your insides. Designers, damn it.
            3. +1
              April 1 2017 22: 08
              Belarus will have free capacities - even it will be able to sell electricity to Russia - in our areas of border with Belarus there is not much surplus energy, despite the existing Smolensk, Kursk, Voronezh NPPs.
              And about the protests - in the eighties because of them the Armenian nuclear power plant was closed. And then, long and hard, with the help of Russia, it was launched again. Now it works great - and no one even stutters to close it!
              Protests are naked populism.
              1. 0
                April 2 2017 05: 29
                Quote: andj61
                Protests are naked populism.

                The protests are based - and most importantly - after the commissioning of nuclear power plants, the cost of electricity for Belarusian consumers will increase by 2.3-2.7 times
                1. +1
                  April 3 2017 11: 30
                  Quote: GspdjGneva
                  Quote: andj61
                  Protests are naked populism.

                  The protests are based - and most importantly - after the commissioning of nuclear power plants, the cost of electricity for Belarusian consumers will increase by 2.3-2.7 times

                  The rise in electricity prices due to the commissioning of a nuclear power plant in Belarus is your fake as well as the prohibitive gas prices for the population in your other comment. Hello to the troll!
                  1. 0
                    April 7 2017 11: 51
                    Quote: andj61

                    The rise in electricity prices due to the commissioning of a nuclear power plant in Belarus is your fake as well as the prohibitive gas prices for the population in your other comment. Hello to the troll!

                    To explain for a long time, but unreasonable and will not understand.
                    The basis of the cost of electricity at nuclear power plants (about 12 cents / kW * h) will be formed not by the cost of uranium (whose price will be less than 1 cent / kW * h), but by loan payments, maintenance costs, waste disposal and burial etc. For comparison, the cost of electricity at existing TPPs is about 3 cents / kW * h (at IES 1,5 times higher). But as we know, at the same time the tariff is about 8 cents / kW * h. And if the cost price is 12, then the final price will be 14, i.e. almost 2 times higher than now? But the cost of a loan at nuclear power plants is not everything. The minimum capacity of the Belarusian energy system (in the summer at night) is about 1,6 GW, while, as we know, the capacity of the NPP is 2,4 GW. But you won’t stop the rest of the stations / boiler rooms, as Hot water and steam are still needed at the plants. But since electricity cannot be put “in the warehouse” we will have to sell it at any price at which it will be bought from us. But since when our neighbors have a night, it’s also night and they have the same problems as ours (where to get the excess electricity?), then we will have to offer electricity significantly lower than the cost, i.e. we will be forced to work at a loss. Of course, this loss will then need to be compensated for by daily tariffs. But that is not all. It is impossible to hope that the neighbors will buy an excess of electricity, because if they still don’t buy, it threatens an accident at a nuclear power plant. A nuclear power plant can be unloaded by only 10-20% (and slowly, for about a week). The remaining extra ~ 400-600 MW should be consumed domestically by virtually completely converting the existing power plants to supply only thermal energy, and transfer excess electricity to heat on electric boilers. In order to imagine a rise in price for thermal energy, it is enough to look at the efficiency of generation of gas-fired boilers and the total efficiency of heat generation with an electric boiler. In the first case, this is ~ 90-96%, in the second ~ 25% (efficiency of electric power generation at nuclear power plants, losses in electric networks, losses on transformation of electric power, efficiency of the electric boiler itself). Those. Efficiency is more than 3 times lower. So after all, electric boilers still need to be bought and installed, which also costs money, and most likely credit. And of course, the efficiency of existing power plants, of course, will also decrease due to work at lower loads. In addition to the problems (loss-making) of the minimum loads, there are still problems with the maximum loads due to the fact that existing power grids are not designed for them. Minsk, for example, will not be able to provide electricity from outside in full, as existing electricity networks will not allow the required amount of electricity to pass through.
                    In addition, the Russian commodity loan for the construction of the station (10 billion +%) will cost $ 15.75 billion, which will also fall on the shoulders of Belarusians. Another 500 million construction of power lines .. itd
                    http://www.greenworld.org.ru/?q=book/export/html/
                    961
                    https://thinktanks.by/publication/2017/01/02/posl
                    e-zapuska-aes-elektrichestvo-v-belarusi-podorozha
                    et-v-3-raza.html
      3. +4
        April 1 2017 09: 07
        Quote: Lex.
        After Chernobyl, Belarus was left alone and the losses were 300 billion; why aren’t you compensating for the damage to the nuclear power plant your Russia is the successor of the USSR

        Oh how. Lex, I look at you for good reason the Jewish flag. laughing But nothing about Chernobyl in Ukraine? You do not make claims to it? Let us pay you for the tsunami in Japan, for Fukushima. And also for Hurricane Katrina in Mexico. Try to compensate here for the occupation of Belarus of the USSR, for the repression of the KGB, for the murders of European citizens in an ice battle, for the famine.
        Maybe you immediately announce the entire list of financial claims? Consult the Balkans, swearing with the non-brothers, do not rush. And then just draw a NUMBER, let Dimon have his eyes on his forehead.
        1. +1
          April 1 2017 10: 12
          Darling, my wife is Jewish. I myself am a purebred Belarusian tuteys, so your malicious smile is out of place
          1. +5
            April 1 2017 10: 26
            Quote: Lex.
            I myself am a purebred Belarusian here so

            It certainly changes everything laughing The position is just funny. Since the USSR owed you (why suddenly), now the RF owes it because the assignee. But the Republic of Belarus owes nothing to anyone, because it will be independent and will set prices itself. Because gladiolus.
            In experience, such a path ends with the collapse of the country. Peaceful, as in the Baltic states, or bloody as in Ukraine.
          2. +4
            April 1 2017 11: 55
            Quote: Lex.
            Darling, my wife is Jewish, I myself am a purebred Belarusian

            Maybe you are a purebred Belarusian, but your children will be purebred Jews.
            1. 0
              April 5 2017 16: 52
              Maybe you are a purebred Belarusian, but your children will be purebred Jews.


              wassat in life and it does not happen wassat
    3. +1
      April 1 2017 12: 08
      And there is no doubt that it will be necessary to give credit funds, since the agreement between the two countries differs from those agreements under which Belarus used to receive money from Russia.


      So today Belarus is not able to pay current gas consumption at preferential prices
      Preferential, Carl!
      Not capable!
      And the debt is growing, but it is not recognized as official Minsk.
    4. +1
      April 1 2017 13: 22
      Lukashenko's appeal to Belarusians and Russians on the occasion of the Day of Unity of the Peoples of Belarus and Russia (April 2) President 01.04.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX
      "" "Dear Belarusians and Russians, the Day of Unity of the Peoples of Belarus and Russia is not just a significant date in the new history of our countries, it is a confirmation of the spiritual and cultural closeness of the two fraternal peoples, close political and economic partnership. This year is doubly remarkable - the beginning of the third decade of the union construction and the 25th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between our countries. The advantages of union integration are undeniable. Together we make a great contribution to ensuring social guarantees and equal rights of Belarusians and Russians, as well as deepening bilateral humanitarian ties. A high level of trust allows us to closely interact in the field of foreign Politics and Security: In a relatively short period of time, the Union project has uncovered enormous creative potential for the further development of the economies of Belarus and Russia, united by close cooperative ties, complementarity of our industrial and agricultural complexes, and strong contacts at the regional level, we must strive even more persistently and consistently to create a full-fledged single economic space, to remove all the barriers that impede the development of our integration. Moreover, in accordance with the requirements of the time, we need to focus on high technology and high technologies that can give impetus to bilateral economic development. Recognition of the obvious successes of the union building, a number of its innovative developments make a significant contribution to the formation of a viable architecture of Eurasian integration. However, the scale of achievements should not be taken for granted. Various kinds of strength tests reveal their fragility. Therefore, through joint efforts we will be able to effectively overcome the difficulties that the world agenda dictates to us, to open up new opportunities for raising the national economies, and improving the well-being of our peoples and states. Unity Day is a symbol of the enduring value of Belarusian-Russian friendship. Historical memory and mutual support have always been above us for any mercantile or tactical considerations, and our common duty is to remain faithful to this fateful choice that meets the expectations and aspirations of the peoples of Belarus and Russia. I am convinced that the aspiration of people that comes from life to joint creation will be successfully realized. May our relations grow stronger day by day, bringing confidence in the future, peace and harmony! I heartily congratulate you on the Day of Unity of the Peoples of Belarus and Russia! Health and well-being to you, your family and friends! Alexander Lukashenko. "
      http://www.belta.by/president/view/obraschenie-lu
      kashenko-k-belorusam-i-rossijanam-po-sluchaju-dnj
      a-edinenija-narodov-belarusi-i-rossii-240450-2017
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  2. +3
    April 1 2017 06: 22
    Why pay 10 “lard greens” for the right to build nuclear power plants for Belarusians? Maybe stop trying to solve other people's problems? To build a nuclear power plant near the Belarusian border (you do not have to pay 10 “lard” for this!) And in the future sell them energy. What's wrong?

    Good offer. The question is how much has been invested, can it be preserved; and the Kremlin’s understanding of the fact that Lukashenko is not an ally.
    1. 0
      April 2 2017 05: 36
      Quote: populist

      Good offer. The question is how much has been invested, can it be preserved; and the Kremlin’s understanding of the fact that Lukashenko is not an ally.

      EVERYTHING is OK with that) Give a loan for construction (and a loan is money in growth against state guarantees), train specialists, serve the entire service life, and most importantly, sell nuclear fuel there
  3. +1
    April 1 2017 06: 53
    The short-sighted thinking of Russian politicians leads to an opera ... throwing a bisector in front of pigs ... Maybe it’s enough to please the neighbors and expect good neighborly relations. The patience of the peoples of Russia is not Iron.
  4. +4
    April 1 2017 07: 54
    The article has a strange tone and meaning. After all, does anyone really force Russia to give these loans?
    Logically, Russia seems to have no way out and is forced to give money. What follows from this?
    1. +2
      April 1 2017 08: 33
      Well, gentlemen, an adequate person from Israel (they do not hold others there) quite logically asks: Why are you doing this? Who makes you? request
    2. +3
      April 1 2017 16: 31
      Perhaps forced. In Belarus, they can take loans from Germany for the construction of a windmill.
      1. 0
        21 August 2019 08: 28
        "Perhaps they are. In Belarus, they can take loans from Germany for the construction of a wind farm."
        1. At the top, they’ve already told 10 times how much the energy of windmills actually costs,
        2. Apparently for Svidomo it doesn’t come in any way that there is no line of people who want to race, to give loans to Belarus ..
    3. 0
      April 3 2017 18: 07
      You can say no one forces, only after 10 years, when circumstances change (prices rise, gas runs out, energy consumption rises) they will say again, what did Russia do for Belarus ??? And the fact that gas used to be cheaper for them and forgiven loans / debts will be immediately forgotten about them, and Russia will be to blame in the end .... we did so in Moldova and we immediately forgot that about the influx of money from Russia (15-20% GDP through guest workers + 50% of exports) for 10-15 years, despite constantly accusing Russia, while declaring, but the EU has given loans for 600 million and forced to build 300 km of roads on its own terms ...
      Therefore, forgiving loans is an ungrateful business, and it’s better to put something to build on loans ...

      As for the article and how it is provocatively written, I agree with you
  5. +1
    April 1 2017 08: 38
    and for leadership, “it’s better to be first in Bangladesh than second in Switzerland”
    How beautifully said! And, most importantly, to the point!
  6. +4
    April 1 2017 11: 27
    But father was the chairman of the collective farm, and remained. And the tricks are the same. Blackmail, scandals, attempts to call "a penny pennies." Previously, it turned out! Well, now it won’t work ... We need gas. For sale to stupid Germany. She “slammed” her nuclear energy, but you won’t stretch out on windmills. And gas consumption FOR FULL-WEIGHT EURO is growing. That’s the saving for Russia (or rather, the benefit). Belarusians - cheap energy from nuclear power plants, and gas saved - to Europe. The difference between Belarusian and European prices is in profit.
    So nuclear power plants in Belarus on credit - it turns out not altruism at all.
    1. +2
      April 1 2017 12: 20
      That’s the saving for Russia (or rather, the benefit). Belarusians - cheap energy from nuclear power plants, and gas saved - to Europe. The difference between Belarusian and European prices is in profit.
      So nuclear power plants in Belarus on credit - it turns out not altruism at all.


      Now explain to me the slow-witted - why energy is for RB (cheap or expensive, it doesn’t matter)
      - are these our problems?
  7. +2
    April 1 2017 12: 53
    A strange article, apparently the main thing was not at all a scientific approach to the problem, more a “propaganda raid” on it. However, there are already comments on this.

    All that the Ukrainians were capable of was nuclear experiments with Westinghouse fuel and explosions of power lines.

    Yes there are such "citizens of Ukraine" but there are also such

    but these "Demons" who indulge / tear and do not work at nuclear power plants at all .. Or are there Martians or something?
    1. +2
      April 1 2017 13: 24
      Who built this nuclear power plant and who trained specialists?
      Is Ukraine capable of developing nuclear energy itself?
      Specialists in the photo exploit the Soviet legacy ...

      It's like with the world's largest transport aircraft (Ukrainian!)
      1. 0
        April 1 2017 22: 02
        Quote: Olezhek
        Who built this nuclear power plant and who trained specialists?

        search for a specialist site of the Kharkov branch of the All-Union Institute "Teploelektroproekt" The Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR formed a special commission chaired by Academician Alimov, who reviewed and approved the feasibility study of the South Ukrainian energy complex.
        Also, the CM of the Ukrainian SSR was in charge of everything, the locals built, it is clear that the money of the USSR (although formally the budget of the republic) The equipment was supplied by the plants of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR.
        Teaches to this day “Kiev Polytechnic Institute. Igor Sikorsky "(NTUU" KPI ") and Odessa National Polytechnic University (ONPU)
        Quote: Olezhek
        Is Ukraine capable of developing nuclear energy itself?

        It’s hard to say at all - there is potential and opportunity. All Sama-hardly. Something will have to be bought (the same assemblies because they are not produced)
        Quote: Olezhek
        Specialists in the photo exploiting the Soviet legacy

        There are modernized halls — but the NPP itself was built in Soviet times — everything is Soviet there — even the assembly of the Swedes.
        Quote: Olezhek
        It's like with the world's largest transport aircraft (Ukrainian!)

        AN 224 flies solely thanks to Antonov as KB and Antonov Airlines. Without them, his fate would be sad, like his cargo shuttle Buran.
        So the Ukrainians breathed a second life into him, and he is the pride of the Design Bureau (and of the country). No one knows what would happen to him; if he were not in Ukraine.
        For the backlog in the case of nuclear power plants and aircraft, certainly many thanks to the USSR (the Ukrainian SSR was part of it)
        1. +1
          April 1 2017 22: 08
          search for specialist sites of the Kharkov branch of the All-Union Institute "Teploelektroproekt" Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR


          And in Soviet Ukraine, there was much that was good when it was part of the USSR.
          Today, neither develop nuclear energy nor even accidentally exploit what is Ukraine cannot

          A break with Russia is the finale for both nuclear energy and the aircraft industry in Ukraine.

          AN 224 flies solely thanks to Antonov as KB and Antonov Airlines.


          Antonov, as it were ...
          And Mriya flew after the USSR in one copy, that is, in Ukraine such aircraft were not made.
  8. +1
    April 1 2017 12: 55
    Belarus suffered a lot from the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, therefore, the attitude towards the new nuclear power plant is also wary. I agree with the author about cheap nuclear energy, but alternative sources cannot be discounted, and he considered them in his inferiority article. After all, there is a CHP on wood waste, pellets. Of course, they cannot replace completely nuclear energy, but they will reduce the situation with gas dependence. But most of all, the article does not like the fact that the author of the equalization of the speech of nationalists, with all the people. They simply attach themselves to any problem that arises in the country. This is an occasion for them to run around with flags and show themselves. The bulk of the people do not catch their ideas.
    1. +1
      April 1 2017 13: 30
      Belarus suffered greatly from the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, therefore, the attitude towards the new nuclear power plant is also wary


      The economic problems associated with power generation have not been canceled.
      If Belarusians prefer to buy gas and burn it, it is certainly environmentally friendly, but expensive.
      Russia should not pay for their fears.
      1. 0
        April 4 2017 11: 59
        And she pays in any case, because the nuclear power plant is built on a Russian loan, which Belarus probably will not be able to repay
  9. +2
    April 1 2017 13: 06
    Quote: Olezhek

    Now explain to me the slow-witted - why energy is for RB (cheap or expensive, it doesn’t matter)
    - are these our problems?

    And where from the article shows that the construction of a nuclear power plant creates problems for Russia? Why do you even pose the question like this? Or for you the word loan is a kind of gift? Do you have information that the contract for the construction of nuclear power plants for the contractor is unprofitable? Do you have any figures?
  10. +1
    April 1 2017 13: 38
    Gentlemen simply rave about fat (fat is understandably Russian), gentlemen - it’s clear not the people of Belarus, but European mobs, brainless clowns who have no idea how to live without electricity. and in the direction of a stupid neighbor, turn your head just too lazy. The day will come and scream about the treachery of the Russians and Putin’s long arm, but it will be late — there is no friendship — there is no help, and there is a direct road to the EU with a barrier (a neighbor passed along this path). Old Man is a cool man, of course, but you still need to have a little mind about the same as steepness, for balance and balance.
  11. +1
    April 1 2017 15: 01
    I read, spitting and I will not comment!
  12. +2
    April 1 2017 15: 15
    The author forgot to indicate that we have many CHP plants that work on wood chips (we have enough of this good).
    1. 0
      April 4 2017 12: 05
      We don’t have as many CHP plants on the chips as we would like, but it’s the way * of our rulers, it was not the palaces that needed to be built, but the CHP plants. Even those countries that started building them earlier cannot fully provide themselves with electricity from wood chips, and we are significantly behind them.
  13. 0
    April 1 2017 17: 32
    and the fact that supposedly an excess of unnecessary energy is formed.

    This is what kind of "excess of unnecessary" energy is formed ???? We Belarusians will not pay for electric power ???? AN EXCESS IS THEN WHEN THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY DO NOT PAY FOR ELECTRIC POWER, AND USE IT FOR FREE! AND THIS IS NOT AN EXCESSION — BUT COVERING — THE INTERNAL NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
    Regarding the atomic one, I don’t really like it. Enough of us for Chernobyl and Polesye. It would be better for Lukashenko to develop alternative and safe sources of energy.
    1. +2
      April 2 2017 15: 59
      Quote: Belarus is Russia
      Regarding the atomic one, I don’t really like it. Enough of us for Chernobyl and Polesye. It would be better for Lukashenko to develop alternative and safe sources of energy.

      alternative and safe sources of energy are good, but cost?

      For this figure, statistics are taken on the website of the World Energy Council.
      Personally, I found this table here: http://geoenergetics.ru/2016/07/14/pochemu-zelena
      ya-energetika-obrechena /
  14. +1
    April 2 2017 06: 05
    Quote: Olezhek

    The Republic of Belarus is not able to pay natural gas for thermal power plants even at preferential prices.

    Yah)
  15. 0
    April 3 2017 15: 21
    One cannot but agree with the last sentence
  16. +1
    April 5 2017 00: 34
    An extremely stupid and absurd article, and, which is characteristic, the author is Oleg Egorov.
    Thoughts, conclusions, "analytics" of the author:
    - “The people are against the“ peaceful atom. ”Moreover, the Lithuanian neighbors hiss viciously.
    That is, many Belarusians do not like the fact that the plant is nuclear, and that it is expensive, and that it is built on a Russian loan, and that dependence on Russian fuel elements is formed, and that Poland does not want to buy electricity from it , and the fact that supposedly an excess of unnecessary energy is generated. ": - This is Yegorov from the opposition sites who got the opinion of the former presidential candidate in Belarus, and at the same time ignored the response of the Belarusian Foreign Ministry to" Lithuanian neighbors ".:
    - "... the problem of power generation is very, very specific, just many do not understand this," except for Yegorov, of course, and of course- "... Belarusians are not interested in such things ...";
    - "So, the fact that Rosatom will earn something there on the construction of a nuclear power plant in Ostrovets does not suit Belarusians in any way." Well, everyone knows, you can’t hide anything from the insightful Egorov;
    - "At our own expense, we built a nuclear power plant in Ignalina"; - it was in the USSR, but for the author it was not a fact;
    - “Yes, the nuclear power plant is absolutely critical for the future of Belarus, but if the Belarusians themselves do not want to understand this, then what can you do?”, How smart, everyone understands not that some dense Belarusians are there;
    In general, ".. unfortunately, the level of" elites "is that of Ukraine, that of Belarus ..." here it is. What kind of "elite"?
    I know only Lukashenko, but Yegorov knows much more.