Seals, or SEAL Team 6

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After the publication of the American "green berets", I received numerous requests to tell about similar structures of the American army. Especially often asked to talk about the detachment "Delta". However, it seemed to me more appropriate to talk about the fleet analogue of the Delta, known to most readers under the name "fur seals". More precisely, the elite "sea lions" codenamed SEAL Team 6.





It’s not even the case that there are much more materials on Delta, and those who are really interested in this topic will be able to “dig up” the necessary information on their own. An army unit that lives by army law is more predictable than one that is a "ghost." The secrecy level of the 6 Team is such that even in the American press there are not so many materials. Most Americans talk about "cats" on the basis of knowledge obtained from feature films and interviews of former "cats" that sometimes come up in the press. And the very existence of this detachment can always be questioned.

Publicly, the Pentagon denies having such a unit. SEAL Team 6, this is exactly the name of this top-secret unit, is shrouded in such a veil of secrecy that sometimes it is surprising that there are messages on this topic. There are no divisions, but, for example, there is an interview with a fighter from this division who "personally killed Osama bin Laden". Therefore, if you look at media reports for the last 10-15 years, it becomes clear that the veil of secrecy is tearing. The desire to earn money on the PR of their exploits and talk about their own heroic life prevails over promises to be silent.

And the increase in the number of units is not conducive to secrecy. What the two know knows the pig. And according to the estimates of the same American and our experts, today the number of 6 Team has grown to 300 commando people and to 1500 service personnel. True, the "seals" themselves do not call themselves commandos. Moreover, they do not like this name in principle. Between themselves and in the documents, which sometimes "pop up", the soldiers of the detachment are called operatives.

Hence, a competent analyst can already conclude that Team 6 is not a purely naval structure. It is rather a symbiosis naval intelligence and the CIA. With an appropriate attitude. I mean not only the restrictions imposed by military orders and charters, but also the ability to act "at one’s own discretion", which gives membership of the CIA.

History detachment began not so long ago. First of all, the very name of SEAL is interesting. It comes from a combination of three English words - Sea, Air, Land. That is how the team of divers was called during the Second World War. However, it is impossible to consider the diving team as a prototype of the unit being described. It is rather one of the methods of camouflage adopted in reconnaissance and sabotage units during the Cold War.

By the way, the 6 Team (Team 6) from the same song. The Americans, already during the formation of the detachment, understood that the Soviet intelligence officers would soon learn about the "kittens." In fact, at the time of the creation of the 6 Team in the United States, there were only two SEAL units. Therefore, it would be logical to call the squad Team 3.

When did the "seals" appear? According to some data from open sources, the detachment was formed immediately after the failure of the special operation to rescue 53 hostages in the US embassy in Tehran (Operation "Eagle's Claw"). Let me remind you, it happened in 1980 year. And the operation of the elite special forces of the US Army ended then a complete collapse. A military helicopter with special forces crashed into a plane on the ground and exploded. Killed 8 special forces. The Pentagon was then placed in a very delicate situation.

The naval commanders thought in the same way. It was necessary to urgently create a structure that could quickly and by any means solve the issues of combating terrorism. The goal, as you see, is a good one, but it was entrusted to realize it by a rather ambiguous person - a commander (corresponds to the Russian naval rank of second rank captain) Richard Marcinko. During the Vietnam War, Marsinko earned a reputation as a rather cruel and merciless officer. (By the way, for those who are interested in his biography: Marcinco wrote the book "Warrior-Plut.")

The 6 Team Headquarters is located at the Dam Neck branch of the Oceana Naval Air Station, south of Virginia Beach. It is there that today is the majority of "sea lions". To cover the base in the same place and other army units.

The commander did not particularly care about the observance of army regulations and orders. The first detachment was formed according to the principle of personal courage (especially in the Vietnam war), friendship between the fighters and ... readiness to carry out any command order.

How do they become members of the 6 Team? Usually the selection procedure is as follows. In the seals divisions that perform normal tasks, after several years of service, casting is held for those who want to go to the 6 Team. There are three such places in the USA. They are perfectly "tracked" by numbers. "Even Numbers" is located in Virginia Beach. The base of "odd numbers" in San Diego. Third place - Hawaii. There is another "secret" of the US Navy - the base of submarine mini-boats. Typically, the dropout rate when passing 50 tests and above.

The officers of the Team usually come for one or two terms of the contract. And changes often enough. Although, according to some information, there are cases of returning to the Team several times. This practice reduces the importance of the officer corps somewhat, but raises the importance of sergeants.

According to the officers of the unit, many soldiers, and especially sergeants, tend to exaggerate their own role. Marcinko laid this style of service. Everyone can be everyone.

But on the other hand, this style of service generates some bravado from the 6 Team. All other SEAL units are “white” or “standard” for them. Although, in fairness, it should be said that they perform the same tasks. However, any operative from the Team will always say: "If you need to take away the atomic bomb from the bad guys, or save the prisoners in the war zone, then only we can do it ..."

That is how two squads (assault groups) of the 6 Team were created. The names they received by the colors of the American fleet. Blue and gold. By the way, at the same time fighters from the "blue" appeared. The fact is that the "Blue" group has chosen the Jolly Roger as its symbol. It is clear that the "pirates" soon became quite famous. They even got the unofficial name “Bad in the Blue”.

In order for you to understand the system of training detachments, it is enough to cite a couple of well-known open source examples. The state police kept several hundred protocols on the members of the Team for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. And in the accident database there are a lot of acts on the write-off of equipment, which the operatives broke during their training.

A former member of the Team, and now a congressman from Montana, Ryan Zinke recalls one of the exercises in which he took part in the preparations for the Summer Olympic Games in Barcelona in 1992. Then he accompanied the commander of the exercises, the American admiral.

"When we opened the door, what I saw resembled Pirates of the Caribbean."

- Is that my fleet? Are these guys my fleet? The admiral asked me. "

Indeed, for the naval admiral what he saw was a shock. The top secret, most prepared unit of the naval special forces looked like gangsters from a Hollywood film. Long hair, earrings in the ears, beards ... And an appropriate attitude to the form of clothing. Each of the fighters dressed to perform "their" task.

After this episode, the detachment underwent a most severe reorganization. Team composition Team 6 "thinned" thoroughly. And at all levels. Many officers and even admirals were transferred to other units or dismissed from military service. This also affected the non-commissioned officers. These reorganizations created SEAL Team 6 in its current form.

Today a lot is known about the detachment. Everything you read above is just the tip of the iceberg. The fact that some soldiers of the detachment "opened their mouths," especially after the operation to eliminate bin Laden, became the basis for initiating a multitude of criminal cases on charges of treason. Readers will probably remember two names: Matt Bissonnet (the author of two books about his service in the Team) and Robert O'Neill (the one who claims that he killed bin Laden). Both today are charged for this article.

After some excursion into history, probably, it is necessary to tell about the peculiarities of this unit’s actions in a combat situation. What is the difference between teams from the "white fur seals"? And they really are. And quite substantial.

Most strongly SEAL Team 6 "inherited" in Afghanistan. Therefore, the analysis of actions in this country, in my opinion, will be most indicative of an understanding of the work of this special unit.

First of all, about the principles of the work itself. Those that were laid by the founder. The first, which is fundamental for the operatives of SEAL Team 6, is in the words of one of the former officers of this unit: "If you feel threatened for just a second, it means that you will kill someone."

This principle acts strictly. As, however, and in other special divisions. "Doubt - shoot." Moreover, none of the commandos will not pass by the already killed enemy without a control shot. For a formal report of the operation, the feeling of being threatened is enough to justify any loss.

True, in official papers, if it comes to killing civilians, the picture is created perfectly perfect. For example, I’ll quote the words of one of the commanders of the team: "Do I think something bad was happening? Did I think that there were more murders than necessary? Naturally. I think the natural response to the threat was to eliminate it; and only then you wondered: “Didn’t I overestimate her?” Do I think that guys deliberately killed those who didn’t deserve it? No, I somehow find it hard to believe. ”

The second principle of the Team’s work was best expressed by the retired admiral, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, James Stavridis: "If you want a squad to sometimes conduct activities that violate international law, you definitely don’t need publicity."

William Banks, an expert on national security issues at Syracuse University, wrote more specifically about this: "If you are not on the battlefield, then you are not responsible."

It was not in vain that I cited these two principles as the basis on which all further actions of the detachment are superimposed. The Americans often use the latest advances in technology to create a picture of an "honest" war for the whole world. Remember TV reports about the use of precision bombs. When the entire flight of the bomb is broadcast live on television. Remember footage from drones, which show the effective work of American units anywhere in the world.

Not passed this bowl and SEAL Team 6. Some operations are controlled by headquarters at Dam Neck or by the overseas operations coordination center using drones. And, as a rule, end in failure. But those that are held according to the established scheme are often successful.

Operations are usually performed at night. Not only pistols and rifles with silencers are used, but also cold weapon. Operatives make their way to places of concentration or residence (which was done much more often in Afghanistan) and simply cut out everyone.

I think here it is necessary to tell about one scandalous operation “Bad guys in blue”, which was held at the very end of their stay in Afghanistan in 2008. And entered the history of the detachment codenamed "Panther".

The "bad guys" were then in the Afghan province of Helmand. One of the most difficult militarily and still considered the support of the Taliban. The main population of the province is Pashtuns. It is in this province that the largest plantations of opium poppy are located. Southern border province, which always and everyone was causing a lot of trouble.

So, at the beginning of 2008, the elders of one of the Pashtun villages addressed the commander of the coalition forces with a complaint that the "seals" had destroyed several peaceful dehkans. Just like that, without any reason. The complaint was submitted to Captain Scott Moore, who commanded the "seals" division.

Moore demanded an explanation from the unit commander who directly conducted the “Panther”, Captain Peter Weili. As always happens in such cases, "civilians were not killed." I am not me, and the horse is not mine. To which Moore demanded the Operations Center conduct its own investigation.

The result of the investigation were shocking facts of ordinary Americans. "Seals" destroyed all the men in the village! Base? They had weapons at home. In addition, another unflattering episode has surfaced. It became known that one of the Team was cutting the throat of a dead Afghani. As one of the Blue commanders, Captain Slabinski, commented on this episode, “he seemed to have crippled the body” ... By the way, to Slabinski himself, the investigators also had questions. The fact is that, according to the testimony of some operatives, it was this commander who ordered the killing of all without dismantling men.

The thing in the end was "hushed up." No commands Slabinski did not give. And the operative who cut the corpse, it turns out, just took off the equipment from the victim. But, until now, there is no exact information about the number of dead Afghans, nor about the goals of the operation, nor about the exact place of burial of the corpses.

Up to this point, I wrote about well-known episodes of SEAL Team 6 activities. And now it is time to touch on another side of the work of this squad. The fact is that, in addition to the “Blue” and “Golden” mouths, another team is part of the Team - the “Black” company.

The story of the emergence of this squad as part of Team 6 is quite interesting. Originally it was a team of high-profile snipers. And the task of this team was to ensure the actions of the operatives with fire support. Accordingly, team members were assigned to perform specific tasks to the Blue or the Golden Companies.

The transformation of the team of snipers in the "Black" company "contributed" Saudis. More precisely, those who organized and carried out terrorist attacks in the US 11 September. Immediately after these events, it was decided that a purely intelligence unit should be part of the SEAL Team 6. The preparation of future operations of the Team not only does not exclude, but also fully justifies the conduct of intelligence.

Today, operatives from the "Black" company are scattered around the world. They are in American embassies not only in Africa, Latin America or Asia, they are in European embassies. It is not excluded that we have such specialists.

According to the stories of some of the former members of the Team, hundreds of Black operatives are using diplomatic channels not only to collect and send intelligence information, but also to deliver weapons and equipment to the necessary countries. In addition to the official "roof", the operatives of the "Black" company work under the guise of local residents. In the same Afghanistan, there are often reports of local media about the capture and destruction of incomprehensible scouts.

In addition to agents, operatives, "Black" company uses the technical means of intelligence. From specially equipped cars to yachts and other supposedly civilian ships, which are actually floating espionage stations. UAVs have become commonplace.

There are only a few cases when operatives from the "Black" company used weapons. According to internal orders, the use of weapons by operatives of this unit is possible only in emergency cases. And any such case is considered in detail by the command as a serious emergency.

But there is something in the “Black” company that is not found anywhere else and which causes undisguised envy of other operatives. Women serve in this detachment! Moreover, women operatives work not only on their own, but, more often, for a couple with men. The tandem raises less questions from the special services of the state where the pairs are located. And in the case of finding interest in one of the operatives, the work does another. The first "plays the fool." In the American special services, this tactic is called "softening."

Today the “Black” company is a rather serious intelligence structure. The coming to power of Donald Trump made the work of some US intelligence agencies quite problematic. And most American politicians understand that this is just the beginning. It is doubtful that the president will simply retreat. His positions are too strong. The security service worked too well. Too little dirt is stored in the "vaults".

And the policy of orientation to internal affairs proclaimed by Trump speaks for itself. Little by little, the American army will wind down its operations abroad. However, American interests outside the US have not been canceled. Business, and therefore politicians, will require operations to ensure the "contractual capacity" of leaders of other states. Wants this Trump, or does not want. America wants to advertise its presence, or does not want.

Whatever it was, but for today the “Black” company is already quite numerous. More than a hundred operatives. On the number of units to provide information, alas, not yet. And the company is constantly increasing.

In general, the squad SEAL Team 6 continues its activities in all corners of the world. With their problems, victories and defeats. And you can not discount it. The above-mentioned congressman from Montana, Ryan Zinke, once said an interesting phrase: "When I was in business, we were always looking for war. And these guys were finding." I think it's better not to say.
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  1. +5
    30 March 2017 06: 58
    moles! the coolest underground! laughing
    1. +3
      30 March 2017 08: 40
      Only eggs are cooler! wassat
      1. +1
        31 March 2017 06: 11
        Especially in profile drinks
  2. +9
    30 March 2017 08: 27
    Great article, thanks! And for our analogue of "seals" there are extremely few materials, practically nothing. Which by the way can indicate the level of professionalism, about the selection system - "mouths shut."
    1. +10
      30 March 2017 11: 57
      Great article, thanks! And for our analogue of "seals" there are extremely few materials, practically nothing. Which by the way can indicate the level of professionalism, about the selection system - "mouths shut."


      Material as an entertaining article. A potpourri of American military tales, there is in every publication on popular military subjects, a sea of ​​all the details and covert operations, and how many shirts of black thermal fabric with the inscriptions swift silent deadly are on sale are unmeasured, and what kind of chevrons are on the sleeve! Actually, you should not confuse educational institutions, where, by the way, any US citizen can study for money, without signing contracts, and contract service in a particular unit. As for the fizuhi, it is the same for all the specialists of the world, running and owning the body on the crossbar. The rest is a puppet booth. After the school, which may be called, for example, SEAL Atl. Team-S (Atl. - Atlanta) recruit enters into a contract and can be credited anywhere. Special operations, again, a very different approach. If it is planned with the knowledge of the government, then such a unit is always consolidated, and has no name other than a code. Going to a camp, for special training tailored to the task. Other names are assigned to \ s, and each has its own legend, they cannot know each other before that. So in the nineties, in the old missile launchers of the United States, the combined teams trained in the tasks of capturing Russian nuclear facilities. According to some reports, they were disbanded only at the beginning of the two thousandth. Army permanent units are designed only for operational actions, in the planned operations from them will be attended by individual military personnel. How they are chosen, well, this is probably the American specifics of staff planning. That was how the operation in Tehran was planned, and the personnel of the mission, despite the gossip, was magnificent and extremely professional. But American intelligence was not just weak, but completely deserted. No specialists will correct the situation that was created in the tweed chairs. They don’t reschedule the operation, it’s not their task. By the way, today, American intelligence is full of jo.
      1. +5
        30 March 2017 12: 38
        winked In the article about Thomas, and you about Yerema ... That is the essence of this team, that they are not exactly army. therefore, army men do not go there with their charter.
        But Tehran was a purely army puncture ... They mixed everything and everything ... And about the contracts too ... By the way, there are quite good American sources that are trustworthy. For example, Veteran. There you will find an explanation on all the issues raised. And according to the history of the US Army and the applicable laws and regulations ...
        1. +4
          30 March 2017 13: 21
          That is the essence of this team, that they not quite army. therefore, army men do not go there with their charter.


          laughing What is it like? Like, naval? USSOCOM heard this? So, they have your seals in operational subordination, like any other Special Forces, any other combat arms. What is incomprehensible and where does "your charter"? I hope you didn’t mean that this unit is a hybrid of "free civilian artists" and military "vacationers"))))

          As for the publications, your Veteran, like a hundred others, is always designed for free ears, which can be hung on the noodles and seasoning of advertisers. If a more substantive discussion takes place, then on the pages of forums that are closed from the uninitiated.
      2. +8
        30 March 2017 13: 24
        Asadullah, but if you are "in the subject" of this topic, so post your opinion?
        1. +6
          30 March 2017 13: 58
          Asadullah, but if you are "in the subject" of this topic, so post your opinion?


          So, in discussion I also do it, as if. This is by no means a criticism of the author of the article, the author bowed for the interest. Consider that I am only supplementing from my sources and in no way striving to gain some kind of lousy authority of omniscience, God forbid. While reading, I learn a lot of new things, with whom I find answers to some kind of personal old-time questions. Many thanks and active writers.
          1. +13
            30 March 2017 16: 33
            I'm the same without a "joke." Just (based on a good memory) from you were sensible and interesting comments for the Foreign Legion as well. Why do I propose, maybe your info will complement the article? Yours faithfully hi
            1. +2
              30 March 2017 16: 45
              Why I propose


              I get it. Well, let's continue the topic.
      3. +1
        30 March 2017 20: 21
        You apparently purely judging by your own logic and a bunch of conflicting information. In fact, in all NATO countries there are special forces of their own, mobile, always combat-ready "commandos", KSK Germany, similar throughout the world and the Russian Federation as well. These are not composite units, but separate battalions, with their own traditions, training, etc. And the physical exertion during the tests is as severe as possible, along with moral stress. People are also punched for possible problems in the past and for education, and specialists are trained in short. Enough in the open admission of all kinds of documents about preparation of all kinds of foreign special forces and fizuh nefig is not the same everywhere, it differs very much from rembats. You look at the guys from the Russian special forces, especially after several years of service, these are essentially athletes, otherwise it’s the same in the West to not achieve the skills that are required in special forces. The seals are a serious special spirit, they knew this very well in the USSR, because now they are killing fanatics, or the spearheads of the marines are clearing cities in Iraq, but in general they are imprisoned for sabotage, like undermining infrastructure, ships, warehouses, and there’s not much that can cause a lot of trouble if, suddenly, God forbid, a serious conflict is created.
  3. +6
    30 March 2017 09: 39
    Is it not that secret detachment that, when it seized the residence of Osama bin Laden, lost one helicopter, and the second sat by mistake outside the residence.
    1. +6
      30 March 2017 11: 22
      sad Well ... Revealed military secrets ... bully These are really these very ...
    2. +11
      30 March 2017 13: 26
      Itself not from "specialists", but in my opinion the action specified by you was carried out brilliantly, IMHO of course. Virtually in hostile territory to destroy such a target?
      1. 0
        31 March 2017 11: 29
        darling roundabout and when did Pakistan become enemy territory for the US? laughing
        1. +7
          31 March 2017 14: 01
          "Dear ... Murzik" - There are different inscriptions on the fence, and this is firewood. So it is in Pakistan. See who Pakistan has been friends with for the past 10 years? Both, with China. He even purchases weapons. How? How dare you? A direct competitor to the USA? And watch the movie: "Goal Number 1." Although artistic, but based on facts.
          1. 0
            April 2 2017 17: 38
            Roundabout Pakistan is now friends with the United States, and graters have always been and will be! I saw the movie "goal number 1", I have it in my collection!
            1. +7
              April 2 2017 19: 51
              "Friends", which is an observer in the SCO, with might and main welcomes Chinese business. "Love has passed, the tomatoes have withered." And for the film, did you notice that Paxitan condemned his citizens who helped the Americans? And it is true. And so friends do not act.
              1. 0
                April 3 2017 06: 11
                Fragmented in the first place - Osama bin Laden himself was an agent of the American special services, otherwise they took him alive, secondly, there is a version that the assault of bin Laden’s house has been ordered, he was killed earlier! And thirdly, Pakistan condemned its citizens to please the United States, unless this is not friendship! belay
                1. +6
                  April 3 2017 08: 18
                  The word "Version" is key. That's when the Version turns into Fact, I agree with you, I admit my opinion is wrong. And Pakistan condemned those citizens who helped the United States, and not to please them.
                  1. 0
                    April 3 2017 12: 29
                    something doesn’t look like enmity! US assistance to Pakistan
                    In October 2009, the US Congress passed an expanded partnership law with Pakistan (often referred to as the Kerry-Lugar-Berman Act in honor of its authors) to demonstrate US long-term commitment to work with Pakistanis. From 2009 to August 2012, the United States allocated about $ 2,9 billion in material assistance to Pakistan, including nearly $ 1 billion for emergency humanitarian assistance after a series of floods in 2010 and 2011.

                    Material assistance to Pakistan from the United States is focused on five priority areas: energy, economic growth, ensuring internal stability, education and healthcare. These areas have been identified in consultation with the Government of Pakistan.
                    US Assistance to Pakistan
                    turkaramamotoru.com ›en / US-Pakistani ...
                    Bilateral economic relations
                    In 2009, Pakistan’s exports to all countries of the world were estimated at 17.87 billion, and imports at $ 28.31 billion. In 2008, the United States accounted for 16% of Pakistan's exports and nearly 5% of imports, making the United States the second largest trading partner of Pakistan. In 2010, large US investments were made in the exploration of oil and gas in Pakistan, the development of energy, trade, construction, food and chemicals.
    3. +1
      30 March 2017 20: 02
      What do the seals have to do with this puncture? The pilot flew the helicopter and not the operative and all the claims to it.
    4. 0
      30 March 2017 20: 27
      They sat in a place like Rublevka in Pakistan, among the forks of various ministers and generals, etc. the beau monde of Pakistan, there Bin Laden lived quietly .. In general, it is unclear how they sat there, there are high fences everywhere, they lost sight of one helicopter.
  4. +2
    30 March 2017 11: 48
    If everything is as described, then these are ordinary SS men. The methods of warfare are absolutely fascist.
  5. 0
    30 March 2017 11: 49
    SEAL fighters from the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter special operations security task force. The so-called "fire brigade". in the photo or am I mistaken? blue or gold? really curious would be to find out
    1. +1
      30 March 2017 12: 32
      It’s difficult to judge by equipment and weapons. But the entourage is blue ... Gold more for a more wooded area designed mainly
  6. +1
    30 March 2017 11: 51
    painfully seriously armed. the number of machine guns at 4 is impressive ...
    1. 0
      30 March 2017 19: 34
      Just a production photo, they tried to stand like that in a battle, with a dog. Machine gunner's dream is one turn and many corpses.
    2. 0
      31 March 2017 04: 27
      M-249 is a very versatile light machine gun. Very accurate and quick. The ideal weapon to achieve fire superiority in battle. With MDO or Machinegun Day Optic, a machine gun daylight scope allows the shooter to fire accurately at a range of 1000 meters with a 5.56 round. But the most favorite weapon in DEVGRU is the M-60 and its modernization. A group of 4 operators carries 2000 rounds per group, plus the necessary equipment.
  7. +13
    30 March 2017 12: 35
    Incomprehensible negativity in relation to the "Morcot". Well trained and fantastically equipped professionals. Motivated by the most "neither want." Having a very wide carte blanche from your government.
    Why are these slops - "SS", "fascists", "the coolest on earth"? Yes, they are enemies, but any enemy is worthy of respect, not respecting the enemy do not respect yourself.
    Regarding the cutting out of the male population. Maybe we should learn from them? Do not breed snotty demagoguery - human rights, civilians, etc. nonsense. But it’s hard to crush the enemy and not give “soldiers” their own. It was very insulting when they shoot at you, you see from where, you know about who, but in response you can’t — otherwise, in court. There is a civilian population! What are you! You enter the village, and there are such "peaceful shepherds" sitting! And they laugh in your face!
    Therefore, I personally have no hatred and anger for any Americans and Israelis, but only envy. Their state values ​​them, does not give offense, and yours merges you at the first sneeze.
    But they do not choose their homeland.
    1. +1
      30 March 2017 15: 49
      Quote: otto meer
      Yes, they are enemies, but any enemy is worthy of respect, not respecting the enemy do not respect yourself

      It’s hard to respect the enemy. You can recognize the high level of training, moreover, you must reckon with this, but to respect (in the literal sense of the word) is almost impossible. You can respect the opponent in the ring, but not the enemy.
      1. +2
        30 March 2017 17: 29
        Quote: MRomanovich
        It’s hard to respect the enemy.
        Very difficult, I agree. I know for myself. It is even harder to understand why he is doing this, and not otherwise. It is difficult to learn his language, customs, faith. But you have to. Without the concept of the enemy, without his respect, there is no victory.
    2. +7
      30 March 2017 16: 05
      Quote: otto meer
      Yes, they are enemies, but any enemy is worthy of respect, not respecting the enemy do not respect yourself.

      Professionals differ from laymen in that they respect professionals, even if it is a potential adversary ....
      In our difficult history, there have been many cases when cap-making has cost us a lot of blood ..... Probably it is not necessary to give examples. The enemy must be studied in the most thorough way and objectively evaluated, and not awarded with derogatory epithets ....
      1. +3
        30 March 2017 17: 30
        Quote: ranger
        In our difficult story, there have been many cases when cap-making has cost us a lot of blood .....

        Quote: ranger
        The enemy must be studied in the most thorough way and objectively evaluated, and not awarded with derogatory epithets ....
        That's exactly what I wanted to convey ...
  8. +4
    30 March 2017 13: 16
    Quote: otto meer
    Why are these slops - "SS", "fascists", "the coolest on earth"? Yes, they are enemies, but any enemy is worthy of respect, not respecting the enemy do not respect yourself.
    Regarding the cutting out of the male population. Maybe we should learn from them? Do not breed snotty demagoguery - human rights, civilians, etc. nonsense.

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    There is no need to pour emotional rhetoric here, it will not work. I used the term "SS" intentionally, based on ethical considerations. The principle of reciprocity is important in everything. Squeal about the "human rights", then nefig everywhere Guantanamo breed and shout about the "bloody Stalin." As for professionalism and ultra-supermotivation, the SS men had no worse motivation and professionalism, do not worry. A professional with a "license to kill" is a trash, an unfinished James Bond.

    Their state values ​​them, does not give offense, and yours merges you at the first sneeze.
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    Nobody values ​​them. In the USA, veterans and disabled people of any wars are higher than the roof; nobody is going to pay them much. Many are homeless and live. And if your state does not suit you, then look for yourself what you like. Only relatives and friends acquire first in the future permanent residence, otherwise "torment dust swallow" alone.
    1. +7
      30 March 2017 15: 25
      Quote: Altona
      There is no need to pour emotional rhetoric here, it will not work.
      I absolutely agree with you, so let's be more constructive, without emotions.
      Quote: Altona
      Nobody values ​​them.
      Have you heard of at least one fact of the extradition of ANY US or Israeli soldier to the opposite side? For any malice. No? And we Chechen investigators are collecting information about veterans of the 1st and 2nd, why? And no one will give them hands. Facts? There is - in PM.
      Quote: Altona
      In the USA, veterans and disabled people of any wars are higher than the roof; nobody is going to pay them much.
      Is it different with us? Facts? You know where.
      Quote: Altona
      And if your state does not suit you, then look for yourself what you like. Only relatives and friends acquire first in the future permanent residence, otherwise "torment dust swallow" alone.
      Relatives - the sea. Almost any country in Europe to choose from. Citizenship is easy. Language, real estate, work - everything is there. But I am here, here are my children, my ancestors, so this attack is past the box office. Make the difference between the state and the homeland.
    2. 0
      30 March 2017 20: 07
      American veterans have benefits that you never dreamed of. And the pension, and the payment of the university, and the scholarship is monthly. Employment benefits and good housing loans.
  9. +2
    30 March 2017 14: 44
    I remember very well how in the English media in the late 90s they were outraged by the provocation of the Romanian special services in Constanta, where the US landing ship entered. But in fact, three Romanian homeless people swept five “fur seals”, while taking away their money and valuables, including our own “chains”. So - "No need to sing war songs, but count us as fools." Hollywood and reality are too different things.
    1. +5
      30 March 2017 15: 32
      Quote: beer-youk
      But in fact, three Romanian homeless people marked five "fur seals"
      Some kind of fairy tale. Just look at the top photo. Such faces. Maybe there was such a fake in the media (especially if in ours, and in theirs too). But to the truth, it seems to me, this has a very distant relationship.
      1. +1
        30 March 2017 19: 41
        About the fairy tale, ask the American marines guarding the American embassy, ​​they are forbidden to run jogging in Moscow from the late 90s, when they got a dule from returning from the club, and the visitors of the club "hungry duck", there was such an American project in Moscow there, too, from time to time.
        1. +1
          30 March 2017 23: 32
          MSG or Marine Security Guard is not an elite. These soldiers have never seen a war and will not see it unless the contract is extended for another 4 years. One year in study and three years abroad. One year in three different countries. No one in the Marine Corps them. Sit and pass checks all day.
  10. +4
    30 March 2017 16: 01
    The Navy special forces unit is more open than the Delta squad, respectively, there is more information about them. Although at one time in the USSR, Delta was promoted by our propaganda, be healthy. Everywhere they wrote about them, but there was no konretika, they were simply attributed to all special operations conducted by the US Armed Forces. But at that time, seals were not taken seriously. But in vain. Many people note that Seals are in fact the most universal special forces in the world! And I agree with that. Their main element is the ocean, the sea in general water, but they work equally well on water, under water, on land, in the air, in this regard they have no equal.

    Although the Seals have one detachment, which, like Delta, is totally classified. This is a former 6th detachment that specialized in anti-terror as part of the entire unit. On its basis in 1987, they created a naval special-purpose quick deployment group, referred to as NSWDG or DEVGRU. It is autonomous as part of the Seals division. This group is entrusted with the most complex and responsible missions in the fight against terror! On a par with the Delta. There is information that this group receives the most in terms of funding. In 2010, the Ministry of Defense changed the name of this group, and classified this name.
    The total number of seals is more than 3000 people. The unit consists of 10 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,7, 8, 9, 10) units. Each unit has its own area of ​​responsibility.

    Participation in combat operations:

    Invasion of grenada
    Capture of Achille Lauro
    Invasion of panama
    Operation Desert Storm
    Operation Return of Hope
    The Battle of Mogadishu
    Operation Enduring Freedom
    Operation Iraqi Freedom
    Operation "Spear of Neptune" (the destruction of terrorist No. 1 in the world of Osama bin Laden)

    The operation "Spear of Neptune" to destroy the No. 1 terrorist in the world of Osama bin Laden was carried out by the DEVGRU group (the former 6th detachment). In my opinion, the operation was carried out very professionally. Here we must take into account the fact that it was conducted on the territory of a sovereign state, which has powerful armed forces, secretly from the government. The task was completed, and this is the main thing.

    I want to note that here, too, the Americans were pursued by their main evil rock, and namely helicopters! The attack on a house in Abbottabad involved 24 Seal fighters in two helicopters, one of which crashed, but this time was lucky, not one fighter was injured.

    But the evil rock did not let them go: on August 6, 2011, a Chinook helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan, transporting 15 members from the DEVGRU group (the former 6th detachment), which destroyed Osama bin Laden on May 2, 2011. All in the helicopter died; Among the dead there were no participants in the operation to eliminate bin Laden. This is the biggest loss of personnel for DEVGRU (the former 6th detachment) (in addition to them, two “seals” from another unit died in the crash). But many analysts claim that among the dead were those who participated in the destruction of the number one terrorist, however we will never know about this again.

    I understand that the author tried to tell only about the DEVGRU group (the former 6th detachment), and not about the entire tactical unit of the Navy Seals ... But this is only one detachment, even the most daring secret one, but the Seals have TEN Detachments...
    1. +1
      30 March 2017 16: 12
      At the beginning of the year, the confirmed loss of 6 team 35 people ...
      1. +1
        30 March 2017 16: 15
        Everything can be ... DEVGRU is the most howling group in the campaign world ...
        1. +2
          30 March 2017 18: 03
          Quote: Holoy
          .DEVGRU - the most howling group

          alas, but here I will argue with you .. It’s the 6 team that remained in service .. Just for today, this unit practically does not obey the command of the fleet, but will fulfill the tasks set by someone else .. I have an answer, but there is no evidence of an answer crying
          Moreover, the Black Company in the team today in the lead. So, the team goes into the category of not just special forces, but the intelligence agency ..
          1. +2
            30 March 2017 20: 17
            DEVGRU - according to my information, this is a complete analogue of the detachment called Delta in us. In the United States COO, Delta and DEVGRU perform unusual functions - they work exclusively on the tip of the Intelligence Support Activity, ISA (Agent and Technical Support for Delta and Seals), as well as together with the 4th group of psychological operations in the framework of the MTR. These are elements of psychological warfare, and intelligence work, and even strategic intelligence ... In combat operations, they use ordinary camouflage without identification marks, and often even civilian clothes in general. In appearance, the soldiers of the Delta and DEVGRU squads cannot be distinguished from civilian personnel, since none of them are cut as a military, and many use beards and mustaches. This is apparently done in order to hide the similarities between classified fighters and to prevent military personnel being recognized during the invasion ... These units are completely Autonomous ... In the event of war, they will first have to either capture or destroy the highest political leadership of the enemy’s country ... In Peacetime, the entire elite of these units are usually dispersed under the guise of Tourists or introduced citizens in the countries of the likely enemy ... General management is carried out by the joint command of special operations (OXO)

            The CIA - likes to use the Green Berets in its operations, since they are not very busy in the framework of the MTR in peacetime ... but they are also well prepared and know languages ​​and all the specifics ...

            Classical Special Forces in the US MTR is the 75th Rangers regiment, Regiments of special operations of the Marine Corps, air wings of special operations of the Air Force
  11. +1
    31 March 2017 04: 01
    Full name Special operations Sea Air Land (SEAL) - Special operations on land and in the sea. Team 6 was described in one of the issues of the American magazine “Soldier of Fortune” in the mid-90s. It submits like all the silos structures to the US Navy Command. seals "came in the 90s from the incorrect translation of American videos. Our military translators always translated sils as seals. In one of the newspapers Komsomolskaya Pravda for 85 years there is an article about this special unit, there is still a photo of training to remove the sentry with a knife and in The article uses the word seals.
  12. +2
    31 March 2017 09: 58
    Full x ... nya. No facts, no serious thoughts. The level of the magazine "Murzilka".
    1. +8
      April 1 2017 22: 22
      Yeah, the articles in the Western Military District of the late 70s recalled) And in the 80s we were more interested in CAC. Still, the smallest group to solve the same problems.
  13. 0
    April 2 2017 09: 46
    Yes, American MTRs are the best in the world, the most experienced. so historically. we, like everyone else, can only copy their tactics, equipment, methods, equipment. sniping, mine blasting - America is a trendsetter in this, others are already copying, like us.
    1. +7
      April 3 2017 17: 47
      Thank God, I did not serve in the MTR, I can’t judge. But tactical and special intelligence in the army of the Union was much better. Outfit - yes, here we were not very, but otherwise, on the contrary. And yet there is no such "mine-blasting case", there is a mine-blasting case. Even the textbook was called that. However, everything is possible with our “rudders”)
      1. 0
        April 3 2017 20: 37
        ... there is no such "mine-blasting", there is a mine-blasting

        this refers to the copying of US mines, such as the M18A1 Claymore.
        Thank God, I did not serve in the MTR, I can’t judge. But tactical and special intelligence in the army of the Union was much better

        comparison criteria? I do not claim that in the SA fool was by no means, but in practice, in addition to the assault on Amin’s palace, what other successful actions were under the USSR? and America has been fighting since the time of the rangers with the muskets, using the tactics of Special Forces, including changing regimes in other countries.
        in general, the message was this - it is necessary to develop harmoniously, meringues of distortions and not splash hungry saliva, like many here (not you).
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