Anti-army sanctions

Dmitry Medvedev signed a government decree on indexing social pensions from April 1 to 1,5 percent. The average payout will increase by as much as 129 TALC. What you can buy on them today, no need to explain. Two trips by subway. In fact, a decision aimed, ostensibly, at improving the social situation of pensioners has no practical use. Another thing is unclear: why is the indexation for the promised rate of inflation still not carried out, and what about the military pensions?


In 2012, pensions for retired and reserve servicemen were raised. In accordance with the decision made then, they had to grow by two percent annually until they reach the size established by law. But these obligations are not fulfilled by the state, and unrestrained price increases, inflation ate even previously made allowances. Lawmakers and the government systematically violated the paragraph 2 Art. 19 Constitution of the Russian Federation. In fact, it is a question of discrimination of pensioners on the basis of social belonging to military service.

The law determined that from January 1 2012 the monetary allowance is taken into account when calculating pensions in the amount of 54 percent of salary, and from January 1 2013 will increase annually by two percent to achieve 100 percent of its size (indexation).

The hardships and hardships of the offices

The law “On the federal budget for 2017 year and for the planned period of 2018 and 2019” made earlier decisions suspended until January 1 of 2018. But there is no guarantee that pension sanctions will not last longer. That also applies to those who served in the Armed Forces, the Department of Internal Affairs, the State Border Service, drug control agencies, institutions and bodies of the penal enforcement system, the Russian Guard and the families of these people.

In part, it is possible to understand state officials: anti-Russian sanctions, falling production, problems with tax collection. But then the burden should be borne by all pensioners. However, some people were in a privileged position. The freezing of indexation and the introduction of a reduction factor did not affect the following categories of military pensioners, including their family members:

judges of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation and military courts;
prosecutors (including from the military prosecutor’s office);
employees of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation (including the military investigating authorities of the RF IC);
federal government civil servants.


Such selectivity of legislators, the government of the Russian Federation in respect of military retirees and persons equal to them violates the principle of equality, established by Art. 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation on 16 of June 2007 of the year No. 12-P, where it says: “In the sphere of pensions, compliance with the principle of equality means, among other things, the prohibition to introduce the rights of persons belonging to the same category (prohibition of different treatment of persons in the same or similar situations) ”. But the decisions of the Constitutional Court are binding throughout the Russian Federation for all representative, executive and judicial authorities, local governments, enterprises, institutions, organizations, officials, citizens and their associations.

Why do legislators and the government of the Russian Federation have different restrictions in the form of a reduction factor, a decrease in percentage rates for years of service and tariff discharges, the establishment of only one supplement taken into account when calculating pensions, and the suspension of indexations are applied to 2012 – 2013 only for military personnel and their equivalent?

From the letter of legislative acts, it follows that such restrictions should be fully applied to the federal state civil servants of the presidential administration and the government of the Russian Federation, people's deputies of the federal level, and officials of state corporations. However, this is not. Moreover, the decree of the President of the Russian Federation on 2 August 2012 of the year No. 1100 “On improving the remuneration of federal state civil servants of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation” increased the federal government civil servants and equated them with the money. At the same time, lawmakers “forgot” to apply a reduction factor to them for calculating their pensions, as, incidentally, for military investigators, prosecutors, judges. And this is despite the fact that all of these categories belong to the same type of federal state service. Discrepancy!

Correctly veterans pose a question in a letter to the Supreme Commander, President Vladimir Putin: if, in accordance with paragraph 1 Art. 7 Constitution of the Russian Federation, we live in a social state, then where is the justice? Why such stratification and selectivity in the application of the pension formula in the same group of federal civil servants?

In this case, the lawmakers, the government of the Russian Federation, grossly violated Section 2 Art. 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, where it says: “The state guarantees equality of rights and freedoms of a person and a citizen, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, belief, membership in public associations, as well as other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on the basis of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited. ”

In accordance with Art. 43 of the RF Law of 12 February 1993 of the Year No. 4468-1 (as amended by 3 July 2016, as amended by 19 December 2016) for controlling the circulation of narcotic drugs ... ”when calculating the pension for servicemen and persons equivalent to them for long service, salaries for military posts and military rank and only one monthly allowance (for long service) are taken into account. Other allowances for the cash content are not taken into account.

And for federal employees from 1 in January 2017 of the year in accordance with paragraph 2 and paragraph 3 of the Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation from 17.10.2009 No. 818, the long-term pension is calculated from their average monthly earnings. To determine it, the allowance for civil servants is taken into account, consisting of the following payments:

monthly salary in accordance with the assigned rank of the federal state civil service;
monthly allowance to the official salary for long service in the federal state civil service;
monthly allowance to official salary for special conditions of service;
monthly interest rate to the official salary for work with information constituting state secrets;
monthly cash incentives;
awards for performing particularly important and complex tasks;
a lump sum payment in the provision of annual paid leave and material assistance paid at the expense of the wage fund of civil servants.


Other payments stipulated by the relevant federal laws and regulations are also added. In other words, a retirement pension for civil servants is calculated on the basis of their entire income.

If service in the Armed Forces is part of a unified system of federal public service, then why is only one monthly allowance taken into account when calculating pensions for military and equivalent persons, and everything for federal civilian officials? In this case, the legislators, the Russian government, have violated the principle of equality in the field of pensions, prohibiting the introduction of no objective, reasonable explanation for the differences in the rights of persons belonging to the same category established by the aforementioned decision of the Constitutional Court. And his decisions are required throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. It seems that the care of our country's defense for officials is somewhere in the background.

The law of 15.12.2001 No. 166-FZ "On State Pension Provision in the Russian Federation" in accordance with the application on calculation of length of service (table 1) for federal civil servants has established a ten-year transition process to a single length of civil service (20 years) allowing them to receive (assign) long service pensions. This means that the amount of the minimum length of service required to receive a seniority pension for federal state civil servants (20 years) will become equal to that for military personnel only after 10 years. Such a “novation” allows officials, despite the economic and financial difficulties of the state, to retain the right to high pensions and earlier access to well-deserved rest even during 10 years, which the military cannot afford. Is it possible that in the quiet of the offices there is a risk to life, to the deprivation of service, the complexity of work and the responsibility above?

By the same law (FZ from 15.12.2001 No. 166-FZ), federal civil servants set the percentage amount of the pension received depending on the length of service (table No. 2).

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It follows from the 2 table that federal civil servants both received and will still have higher pensions (from 60 to 51%) over five years than the law establishes for military personnel and their equivalent (50%), with 20 years of service And the money for this is in the federal budget.

How, then, to understand the numerous appeals to the people of state authorities and their representatives about the economy, the need to reduce social guarantees, the tightening of belts, the abolition of indexation, etc.? Why doesn't all this apply to federal civil servants? It turns out, the most difficult and tense path is with them. Because of this, they are more socially protected than military personnel and persons equal to them. Although the need to perform tasks in any conditions, including those with a significant risk to life and health, entails the obligation of the state to guarantee the military special social protection. In fact, it turns out the opposite.

Selective inflation

In the federal law of 07.11.2011 number 306-FZ "On the monetary allowance of military personnel and the provision of individual payments to them" Section 13 Art. 2 sets monthly allowances for payroll salaries, which become effective only after two years of service.

At the same time, in accordance with the law of 27.07.2004 No. 79-FZ “On the State Civil Service of the Russian Federation”, the monthly allowance to the official salary for long service in the civil service begins to operate from the 1 year of service (paragraph 1 paragraph 5 article 50 ).

The question is: why do servicemen receive a surcharge only after two years? Do not they have combat duty before this deadline, do not take part in military conflicts and cannot die there? Does this mean that the military for the first two years of their service are exempt from the oath.

The next nonsense. The RF Government Resolution 21.12.2011 No. 1073 “On the Procedure for Paying the Monthly Allowance for Special Conditions of Military Service to Servicemen Undergoing Military Service under the Contract” sets the maximum monthly allowance to 100 percent of the monthly salary in accordance with the military position held. And for special conditions of civil service, it is paid (according to another legislative act) already up to 200 percent.

Or such a fact. In February, the indexation of insurance (civil labor) pensions in February 2017 was made at inflation of 5,4 percent, approved by the Federal State Statistics Service, and of the military - by four percent.

If service in the Armed Forces is indeed a special type of federal civil service and predetermines the duty of the state to guarantee enhanced social protection, then why does the legislator, the government of the Russian Federation, infringe upon the rights of the military by setting such different monthly allowances? Such a question is given to pensioners of law enforcement agencies G. Zavyalov, L. Grishin, V. Rusakov, A. Efremov, E. Vinnitsky, V. Karabanov, A. Bunkovsky, I. Shvets, many others.

As a result of the analysis of only a few regulatory legal acts regulating the activities of federal civil servants in comparison with the military, you come to the following conclusions:

The lawmakers and the government of the Russian Federation committed direct violations of Art. 2 Art. 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, resolutions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, other legislative acts and placed civil servants in a much more privileged position. The scope and content of the established social protection measures for civil officials do not correspond to their status, the nature of the service, moral standards;
by these actions, the legislators, the government of the Russian Federation, have downplayed the role and special status of military service established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, and thereby allowed discrimination against military retirees and persons equal to them on the basis of their social affiliation;
the establishment by legislators, the government of the Russian Federation for representatives of the federal state civil service, of significantly higher social benefits that exceed reasonable limits, undermines the system of interconnection of all types of civil service, the principles of its construction and functioning;
further delay with the decision of the created legal conflict undermines the defenders of the Motherland, veterans and their family members faith in state authorities, high command, in the justice of Russian laws. Negative emotions towards officials are intensifying, ordinary citizens are being pushed to the decision not to send sons to the army, since it is clear that being an “effective manager” is more profitable and prestigious than defending the Motherland;
Without detracting from the importance of the tasks performed by civil servants, veterans of the Armed Forces believe that the social guarantees established by the state for them and representatives of military service do not fully correspond to the complex financial and economic situation in the country and the capabilities of the state and need to be adjusted.


Subject to the foregoing, army veterans and fleetother law enforcement agencies offer:

1. To organize legal expertise of previously adopted regulatory legal acts regulating the activities of federal state civil servants, military personnel and persons equivalent to them for compliance with the provisions and norms of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and other legislative acts.

2. Obligate, if necessary, the relevant state authorities to prepare and make changes (additions) to the regulatory framework. The Government of the Russian Federation to ensure an annual increase in pensions to citizens dismissed from military service by at least two percent.

3. Take measures to prevent discrimination of pensioners on the basis of social belonging to military service.

Only hopelessness encourages veterans to apply to higher authorities in search of truth and justice. As for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, it certainly is fighting for the rights of servicemen, but now, in connection with the situation in Syria and in the east of Ukraine, he has no time for that. In addition, some of his representatives compare departmental pensions with insurance (labor civilian by age), which is not true. For comparison, it is necessary to take the pensions of federal civil servants.

And the last. The real size of pensions in Russia in the next three years, according to the Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin, will decline. So, to cause an increase in social tension, which, whether the authorities want or not, will have to be taken into account. Especially on the eve of the 2018 presidential election of the year.
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  1. Mystery12345 31 March 2017 05: 56 New
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    Dmitry Medvedev signed a government decree on indexing social pensions from April 1 by 1,5 percent. The average payout will increase as much as 129 rubles. What you can buy for them today, no need to explain.
    Hooray! Glory to EP! go the right way! shoot all pensioners, it will be more humane. good The real size of pensions in Russia over the next three years, according to the Minister of Labor and Social Protection Maxim Topilin, will decrease. And that means causing an increase in social tension, which, whether the government wants it or not, will have to be taken into account. Especially on the eve of the 2018 presidential election.
    1. Titsen 31 March 2017 06: 44 New
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      Quote: Mystery12345
      whether power is desired or not, will have to be considered. Especially on the eve of the 2018 presidential election.


      Do you believe that yourself?

      And, in general, what is the article about?

      Similar letters have been written, written for several years.

      Only no one publishes answers.

      Either they don’t receive them, or instead of receiving answers they receive either specific handouts or a gag in their mouth - no one says ....

      So what about the article, minus the bold!
      1. FID
        FID 31 March 2017 08: 11 New
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        Quote: Titsen
        So what about the article, minus the bold!

        Excuse me, are you a senior citizen?
        1. PSih2097 31 March 2017 09: 33 New
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          Quote: SSI
          Excuse me, are you a senior citizen?

          no, he is an ardent defender of the existing state policy of the state.
      2. V.ic 31 March 2017 10: 52 New
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        Quote: Titsen
        So what about the article, minus the bold!

        ... enter this minus in the form!
        1. Army soldier2 31 March 2017 11: 37 New
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          The owners of the site, apparently, forget what they publish. On February 7 there was already this publication, only in the form of a letter: Veterans seek justice and protect the interests of the RF Armed Forces. Open letter to the President of Russia (https://topwar.ru/108654-veterany-ischut-spraved
          livost-i-zaschischayut-interesy-vooruzhennyh-sil-
          rossiyskoy-federacii-otkrytoe-pismo-prezidentu-ro
          ssii.html # comment-id-6620182)
          But in general, a decent citizen of Russia, if he loves his country and is a patriot, he simply must die the next day after retirement, so as not to cause trouble to his native government.
  2. Mainbeam 31 March 2017 06: 33 New
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    He is not Dimon))))
    1. Mainbeam 31 March 2017 06: 37 New
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      The correct article. Well written. Arranged on shelves. I just remember reading something like that about medical ambulance workers a year ago. And about teachers a couple of years ago. And also about the Izhevsk Kalash factory two or three years ago. And not that there is no sense in these articles ...
      1. FID
        FID 31 March 2017 08: 12 New
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        Quote: MainBeam
        And not that there is no sense in these articles ...

        There is no sense in the government and the president ....
      2. Nikolay K 31 March 2017 09: 16 New
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        I watch military pensioners the most miserable and destitute. The average pension in 2016 is 23000 rubles, while the average pensioners in the country receive 13500 rubles. And the author still has the conscience to talk about discrimination of the social class in the person of the former military.
        We have a frozen and humiliated class of former hard workers, doctors and teachers, the very ones who fed, clothed, treated and taught everyone else: including officials and the military.
        But our government prefers to feed the latter better, because they know too much and know how to handle weapons.
        1. Kostya Andreev 31 March 2017 10: 19 New
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          There are no minuses, otherwise they would roll you in so much that hoo.
          The specifics of this site. Military pensioners. when they demand, then from old memory they think that money is taken from the financial unit. produce products in warehouses, and more. And they don’t know that they need to be earned, and in addition to military pensioners, the state also has other expenses, and other pensioners and people with disabilities.
          Is there really a risk to life, hardships and deprivation of service, complexity of work and responsibility in the silence of cabinets?
          I propose introducing a graduation for the military, who are also in the quiet of classrooms (and there are many of them) and those who risked their lives and whose responsibility was higher. And now I want to note that do not judge, not protecting officials, but we will not judge. they also have work not sugar
          The author of the article, trying to pity the reader for example and comparing officials and military officials, somehow kept silent about the fact that the official (how different they are) do not receive apartments, do not have paid travel, etc., and are not treated in special clinics.
          Let the author clarify that under the name of officials he is bothering. On our site among commentators. there is a famous person who can be called an official, and something according to his statements, I did not notice that he is fattening !!!
          It is ridiculous to look at the patriots who know that the country is in a difficult situation and demand a denyuzhku. There will be a proposal to take money from the rich, I agree only with the addition that in the category of the rich in today's life you need to include military pensioners !!!
          1. bober1982 31 March 2017 10: 33 New
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            At present, it is possible to live well and maintain dependents on a military pension. If you earn extra money, you become a rich person.
            1. V.ic 31 March 2017 10: 55 New
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              Quote: bober1982
              .If you earn extra money, you become a rich person.

              ... if the "side job" is no less than a "piece of green", then you are right.
              1. Kostya Andreev 31 March 2017 11: 03 New
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                Quote: V.ic
                Quote: bober1982
                .If you earn extra money, you become a rich person.

                ... if the "side job" is no less than a "piece of green", then you are right.

                He is even right if a side job in the amount of 30-35 thousand. And why a side job in quotation marks?
                1. V.ic 31 March 2017 11: 14 New
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                  Quote: Kostya Andrei
                  And why is the side job in quotation marks?

                  ... because it’s a “piece of greenery” (for some reason, it didn’t raise a question for you). soldier
                  1. Kostya Andreev 31 March 2017 11: 24 New
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                    And why should he raise a question with me if, as I think, a person knows what he is writing, and I'm not small either !!
                    I know, like all Russians, what is “lemon”, “cabbage”, “mowing”, “grandmother” and other jargon! so that .....
                    1. V.ic 31 March 2017 20: 32 New
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                      Quote: Kostya Andrei
                      I know, like all Russians, what is “lemon”, “cabbage”, “mowing”, “grandmother” and other jargon! so that .....

                      Quote: Kostya Andrei
                      why is the side job in quotation marks?

                      ... then why ask "smart what question"?
          2. Nikolay K 31 March 2017 14: 16 New
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            The specifics of this site. Military pensioners. when they demand, then from old memory they think that money is taken from the financial unit. produce products in warehouses, and more. And they don’t know that they need to be earned, and in addition to military pensioners, the state also has other expenses, and other pensioners and people with disabilities.

            The fact of the matter is that many have already survived to retirement, but do not understand the elementary that money, or rather goods and services, is simply not taken from nothing. And if military pensioners want to find extra money for them, then this money needs to be taken somewhere. And where?
            To take away from the grandmothers receiving a beggarly pension and to give to military pensioners? Or take away from working citizens whose average salary, according to statistics, is not much higher than a military pension.
            There is another option to withdraw money from our crooks and thieves in power, but the trouble is, the government itself does not want to take money from itself, and military pensioners are patriots who can’t allow the political power to swing in the camp because of fears of repeating the Ukrainian scenario. So what do you want to do in the end?
          3. Glory1974 31 March 2017 18: 20 New
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            I propose introducing gradation for the military, who are also in the quiet of classrooms (and there are many of them) and those who risked their lives and whose responsibility was higher.

            I agree with you here. In Germany, such a system works quite successfully.
            It’s ridiculous to look at patriots who know that the country is in a difficult situation and demand a denyuzhu

            but not here. Because the author, in the first place, requires the implementation of the law, and secondly, he is only responsible for his plot (as a military pensioner). It would have been funny if he had attended to the effect of moonlight on the growth of telegraph poles.
    2. Titsen 31 March 2017 06: 46 New
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      Quote: MainBeam
      He is not Dimon))))


      Yes, he is the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation.

      So what?

      It'S Nothing!

      And judging by your brief message, you are a democrat.

      And Medvedev is a democrat.

      Guess my findings?

      I am sure that yes.

      1. the most important 31 March 2017 09: 58 New
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        Quote: Titsen
        Quote: MainBeam
        He is not Dimon))))
        Yes, he is the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation.
        So what?
        It'S Nothing!
        And judging by your brief message, you are a democrat.
        And Medvedev is a democrat.

        What a news!!!! If he hid billions, then immediately a democrat? Democracy is the power of the people! Maybe the people gave him a bunch of cash at residences, vineyards and yachts in gratitude for the amazing results of his work? People went out to ask where such splendor came from during the crisis and sanctions. And he received an exhaustive answer to his question!
        1. V.ic 31 March 2017 10: 58 New
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          Maybe the people gave him a bunch of cash at residences, vineyards and yachts in gratitude for the amazing results of his work? People went out to ask where such splendor came from during the crisis and sanctions.

          Ah, why do they need this power if there is nothing to steal? request
  3. Alexander S. 31 March 2017 07: 05 New
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    Question. If laws are grossly violated here ... did these comrades file lawsuits in the courts? If not ... why? If so ... how are you?
    1. PSih2097 31 March 2017 09: 40 New
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      If laws are grossly violated here ... did these comrades file lawsuits in the courts? If not ... why? If so ... how are you?

      read the bulletins of the supreme and constitutional courts where all these lawsuits go, everything is written there - if in meaning - then DENY is considered, since the indicated laws and decrees are in full compliance with the constitution and do not care at all, even if it is not.
  4. rotmistr60 31 March 2017 07: 39 New
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    As long as members of the government and officials of various ranks are not assigned a pension equal to that which an ordinary citizen receives, there will be no sense at all. But this is of course beyond the possible. Myself - they will not offend loved ones.
  5. raid14 31 March 2017 08: 00 New
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    Write, write, unlike the patience of the people, "the paper will endure everything."
  6. kartalovkolya 31 March 2017 08: 40 New
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    Something reminds me of I. Krylov’s unforgettable fable “Cat and Cook”: “... and Vaska is listening and eating ...” - this is how the Russian government reacts to the needs and requests of military pensioners! But the worst part is that all the vital issues of the Moscow region’s pensioners are decided by officials from the liberal financial and economic bloc and all this looks like petty and vile revenge on the former military, which in principle did not allow the “liberal traitors” to destroy Russia! And even more justifiable is their justification of their actions by sanctions and the crisis, but at least they have bothered to calculate what percentage of all pensioners are military pennies and due to this meager amount they (liberal officials) are trying to overcome the crisis? "Bullshit!", And do not you think dear colleagues that someone of the above wants to "set us on our President? Respectfully, a pensioner of the Moscow Defense Academy since 1990!
    1. creak 31 March 2017 09: 22 New
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      Quote: kartalovkolya
      "but do not you think dear colleagues that someone of the above really wants to" set us against our President? Sincerely, retiree of the Ministry of Defense since 1990!

      But what turns out to be .... Boyars are deceiving the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and there is nobody to tell the truth. Sadly .... But the President chooses his own environment ...
      . And in general, in fairy tales, even such as "the king is good, the boyars are bad" they believe only in childhood, but not in adulthood .... Unless, of course, over the years people again fall into childhood ... hi
  7. Was mammoth 31 March 2017 08: 44 New
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    "3. Take measures to prevent discrimination of pensioners on the basis of social belonging to military service."
    I would write:
    "Take steps to prevent discrimination against retirees."
    But, pensioners for the authorities are parasites, extra people.
    And, the question to the author: “This is why you are annoyed:“ In addition, some of its representatives compare departmental pensions with insurance (civil labor by age), which is not true. For comparison, you need to take the pensions of federal civil servants. "? Perhaps it is necessary for deputies and officials to assign pensions according to a single method, with labor, civil?
  8. vladimirvn 31 March 2017 08: 51 New
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    Here's a different approach. They look at the final amount that is issued on hand. And the conditions are adjusted for this. And according to this, the observance of conditions (the elimination of injustice and equality) is possible only after a general increase in the living standards of the people.
  9. Altona 31 March 2017 09: 33 New
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    Quote: MainBeam
    The correct article. Well written. Arranged on shelves. I just remember reading something like that about medical ambulance workers a year ago. And about teachers a couple of years ago. And also about the Izhevsk Kalash factory two or three years ago. And not that there is no sense in these articles ...

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    There's a meaning. It is necessary to create pressure on the authorities. Articles and other things. The authorities will be forced to respond. And if you don’t talk about anything, don’t protest, the authorities will become completely insolent.
  10. Tambov Wolf 31 March 2017 10: 07 New
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    Mr. author. It is necessary to distinguish between social pensions and labor pensions. So, social pensions are for the Gypsies (non-working, you can hardly find working people) and equivalent "strata" of other citizens. And labor-when you plowed in production for about 45 years, and you they gave something like the gentlemen of the gypsies, well, a little more manko, scars of 300-500. So, sir! March, increased labor, and from April 1, social. Well, and according to the warriors, soon they will also bring Gypsies to the gentlemen. They are nationals, they must be respected, and who are you?
    1. V.ic 31 March 2017 11: 11 New
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      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      , social pensions from the gentlemen of the gypsies (you can hardly find unemployed, working people) and equivalent strata of other citizens. And labor pensions, when they plowed at work for about 45 years, and they gave you something like the gentlemen of the gypsies, well, a lot more,

      ... thank you very much, "benefactor", equated service people with "roms". Not everyone served in the Arbat military district. Not all wives could find a job. Take an interest in the staffing list (availability of kindergarten staff). Kindergarten and school / officer "triathlon": water-firewood-slops / moving from part to part. No wonder the proverb existed: he took off his belt and scattered.
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      They are nationals, they must be respected, and who are you?

      ... would temper ardor, child of perestroika ...
      1. Mystery12345 31 March 2017 12: 12 New
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        military pensioners, do not need to touch, from a word in general, they gave their lives to the country, many their personal happiness, even if they receive a good pension, and all the benefits they are supposed to. soldier
      2. Tambov Wolf 31 March 2017 22: 40 New
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        You, probably with weak humor and satire, too. Of course, this is not given to everyone, especially to some commentators here. I, your zealous one, have two officers themselves. Therefore, without your instructions, you know what and how. You will teach your Sunshine cabbage soup slap, child skirmishes with a fright.
        1. V.ic April 1 2017 10: 15 New
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          At me, zealous you ours, at the very two serve as officers.

          What kind of "dad", "zealous", are such children ... If they do not serve in "places so distant" .... Can you at least know how to wind your footcloths or how Serdyukov?
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          You, probably with a sense of humor and weak with satire, too. Of course, this is not given to everyone, especially some commentators here. Therefore, without your teachings, it is known what and how. You teach your Sunshine to eat cabbage soup, a child of a shoot-out with a fright.

          For the especially “chosen” and especially the “Tambov lupus” breed, he himself spent 5 years and six winters in the Malaya Vedenka PryvO garrison with “officer triathlon”, chopping about 30 kb.m of “firewood” and laying out three stoves for himself two for friends, having built a system of water purification from improvised materials for myself ... If I were not a villager, my children born in that garrison (two sons) would not have survived. So eat your cabbage soup if you can cook them yourself, without fear. You would get up at 5-45 local time to catch a bus to Solovyovka, so that when you arrive at home, where the mistress, barely reaching her eyes, strain milk through cheesecloth ... 3 liters (87 kopecks) to catch the same bus from the final stop (10 kopecks to the driver), for the whole operation 1 rub 10 kopecks / all this in a day /. With current prices in rubles, (child of perestroika), do not align, accept the 1984 ruble for 0,74 foreign rubles. Upon returning to the garrison (10 km), having delivered milk, run without breakfast to the building. To buy butter is to get up early / on Sunday, if not in the “dress” / and at 06-50 go to the bus stop for the same bus and get to 07-30 in the center of Dalnerechensk to take a turn in front of the store. On an individual face 200 gr. oil, after 9-00. So you would have gone in small steps ... I am already sick of printing a rebuke to the shameful wolves ...
          1. Tambov Wolf April 1 2017 13: 03 New
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            Fuck further, shameful son. You haven’t eaten so much porridge yet, but jump on your fist. And don’t lie that you have died of hunger in small garrisons before. This is your grandmother’s story. And about the remote places. Yes, at first everything went such as the Steppe, Amderma, and others that you have not heard of, the rural "survivor." And now they serve very good garrisons, because service and work are in the first place, not drunken and chatter in the VO, you are starving them. By the way, is it really possible for you, the "great rural starving", to know who the footbags are? Although, from where. And you do not get sick.
            1. V.ic April 1 2017 15: 03 New
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              Quote: Tambov Wolf
              do you really, the “great rural starving”, do not know who the footbags are? Although, from where. And you do not get sick.

              ... because the Trotskyite offspring is bursting! Fatten on, child EG! Tochi a cleaver, otherwise you suddenly find yourself in places, stove heating! Thank the "guarantor", for what is now "not the 37th year" and kiss the photo card of Mr. Navalny! hi
              1. Tambov Wolf April 1 2017 16: 09 New
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                I then did not join the Trotskyists and Communists, as some suckers from the "starving farmers", and in 91 I did not betray the country, like some "Communists" here. You can put your friend in the anus with your Jewish "ideals." And you and the former "communists" are still responsible for the collapse of the country. And 37 for all your corrupt brotherhood will seem to be honey. And you all the "best."
  11. brn521 31 March 2017 11: 14 New
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    The article is completely for VO. Because on civilian resources military pensioners are unlikely to cause any sympathy for completely objective reasons. And the content is appropriate:
    Only hopelessness encourages veterans to apply to higher authorities in search of truth and justice.

    The barrel organ is spinning ... But where is it going to spin, if not here?
  12. pts-m 31 March 2017 14: 32 New
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    As the people say ... whoever hurts, that’s what he says ... Recall the USSR. Most lamented that they live poorly, although they did not empty their refrigerators. Only conscripts lived hungry for service, tested on themselves.
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      Something I don’t remember, conscripts were starving. tested on itself in Primorye and Uzbekistan
  13. Glory1974 31 March 2017 18: 14 New
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    service in the Armed Forces is indeed a special type of federal civil service

    Quite rightly written in the article. And only with the rank of lieutenant general is a military man equated with a federal civil servant. Therefore, such a difference in pensions.
    And here at least sign up, such a law ..
  14. Ivan58 31 March 2017 21: 36 New
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    Many have written here. that military pensioners get a lot. However, I will ask a question to these discussants: And who prevented you from serving in what regions, for about 25 years. far from their native places. Especially at that time, the laws on pensions were different and no one could have foreseen that they would be mean to us. Or in the 90s for 4-6 months do not receive monetary allowance, I dare say, without the opportunity to earn extra money. And now, by and large, an article on the equality of citizens in their country.
  15. karakol April 2 2017 15: 10 New
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    And now to gather the entire federal bureaucratic rifle with judges, prosecutors and the like, give them a Mosin rifle and send them to Syrian sands to protect the interests of Rosneft and Gazprom. High fight for the army penny. And so that upon arrival, those of them who were not fortunate enough to go there would tell them that they did not personally send them there.
  16. Leonid 7070 April 3 2017 15: 25 New
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    On the issue of discrimination of military personnel, military pensioners and persons equated with them, by a group of comrades, relevant complaints have been prepared and sent to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation. It would be nice if the site administration posted this complaint here. The complaint was sent to the site administration.
  17. 97110 April 4 2017 11: 28 New
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    Quote: Mystery12345
    shoot all pensioners, it will be more humane.

    In the budget, and so strained with money, and you: "shoot." Well this is what expenses. Yes, one report on the fact of the consumption of ammunition. and steal under this business? Pensioners need to be processed into useful things in the national economy. Craft lampshades, handbags and gloves from us and sell to Deutschland. There, this product was in demand, it is necessary to launch an advertising campaign and restore demand. Fashion will go, re-export will improve - what grandmas shine! Reject defective leather carriers to ash. Packed in bags of defective leather and sold for organic farming. The country will become rich, especially investors in the new industry. The ancestors of modern European elites in the hungry years of the elderly eat up. So it is in accordance with traditional European values. And we, pensioners, do not need to disassemble the upper mathematics again. One and a half percent is not something from arithmetic. Here we are clearly talking about the probabilities of revealing shame at the signatory and the infinity of his administrative delight.