"Corner protection" seen on the Syrian "Shilkah"

Successfully tested in the fight against terrorists, new additional protection tanks has now been installed on self-propelled installations ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", reports Messenger of Mordovia.

A month ago, it became known that the Syrian military instead of lattice screens began to install solid armored plates on the T-72М1 tanks, angled in the front upper part of the hull, on the turret and sides. In this case, the full-time dynamic protection "Contact" is not dismantled.

"This innovation increases the resistance of tanks to the so-called" tandem ammunition ", which is now quite actively used by terrorists in Syria," - writes publication author Lev Romanov.

In addition, a steel box is welded in a vulnerable lower frontal part (NLD) of the tank hull, which is usually filled with sand and gravel.

According to the author, a tank upgraded in this way was tested during hostilities in the Eastern Guta area: an anti-tank guided missile hit the car, but this did not lead to fatal consequences.

“The experience gained has already come in handy in the field modernization of the ZSU-23-4 self-propelled anti-aircraft installation. On it also set "corner protection". How well it will show itself on this lightly armored car, time will tell, ”concludes Romanov.

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[cniza]

“The experience gained has already come in handy in the field modernization of the ZSU-23-4 self-propelled anti-aircraft installation. On it also set "corner protection". How well it will show itself on this lightly armored car, time will tell, ”concludes Romanov.

It does not sound cynical, but Syria today is a testing ground ...

[insular]

Quote: cniza

It does not sound cynical, but Syria today is a testing ground ...

What tests are there? Shushpanzery from garbage from the wildest poor.

[Monos]

Quote: insular

What tests are there? Shushpanzery from garbage from the wildest poor.

Once manually finished, then protection is insufficient. And the battles showed it. There is something for designers to think about.

[insular]

Everything is easier to the ridiculous.
Shilka is used almost in urban battles. And this is not the intended use of air defense equipment. Secondly, Shilka is not something that our designers need to modify, simply because they are outdated in every sense. And the funny thing is that tanks are scalded with garbage due to the lack of "magic boxes" in warehouses, but I want to live ...
You would also say that pickups with ZUShki are running and testing))
Of course, it’s your business, but ... Why the word. Blessed is he who believes.

[Monos]

I was not talking about Shilka. This is a defense against tandem ammunition. DZ alone in this case is ineffective.

[insular]

I think you have never heard the word combination "composite armor"?
So, welding with baskets of gravel and gravel, this is a pathetic attempt to create three peanut counterparts. With the minus of low efficiency, large mass and dimensions.
Well, here's how to explain to a person that a stone ax is also an ax, but efficiency and durability are not comparable with a steel analogue, however, when choosing a stone in my hands and a steel ocean overseas, I would also take a stone, but this does not mean that I’ll break it in decided, with subsequent introduction to the masses.
Yes, and about the tandem you are mistaken. For example, "Relic" on the T-90

[Monos]

Oh, this is the magic phrase "composite armor"! You go and tell the Syrian tankers about it. And they find and apply simple, cheap and effective methods of protection. Your arrogance is not appropriate. How much they made fun of the equipment hung with grids, and now they are being protected by MTO on Armata. It’s not at all clever to ignore combat experience. Absolutely.

[insular]

These are your innovations that urgently need to be tested in combat - a hundred years in the afternoon ... You would not have been disgraced, but looked at the historical pictures of tanks with bags, boxes and screens, both mesh and sheet ... And then I already talked about not the relevance of sarcasm stated.
With a smart look about polygons ... Well, well.
Now think about why this remedy, applied for a good hundred years, is not so popular? Yes, because it is a remedy for the savages of the backward. Type APU and ATS

[Monos]

I don’t understand - are you consciously positioning yourself as an idiot or is it like that in life? What are the “historical” photographs with gratings? These gratings are relevant only against cumulative ammunition and appeared precisely on the BV.

[insular]

This is not even funny ...

This is about bars. They appeared in the Second World War, or rather a year in 43-44.
The article does not speak about gratings, but about scrap on the armor by the type of lining, which is no longer a grate, but a screen, which, even before the start of the Second World War, had been used from PTR and had previously been used as additional means of increasing reservations.
And in the Second World War, it’s all over the place. And that just did not go. And bags and logs and sheets of steel.

Yes, there are many interesting things in the chronicles. just believe in the “test” of screens. But only when there is news about a shushpantser in the Armed Forces, the reaction is "Fu rogue and Chushkari", and the analogue in the SAR, the reaction is "HURRY TEST!"

PySy. , Ndiot? Oh well

[Couchexpert]

Indeed, they were interested in spaced-apart armored barriers during the Second World War, that is, before the wide distribution of cumulative shells. I read somewhere about our research in this matter in relation to the booking of attack aircraft (it was required to minimize the weight of structures without weakening the protection). It all came down to the fact that the use of two barriers specially selected for the thickness gives a greater protection effect than a monolithic plate similar in total thickness. At the modern level, this has long been realized in tank protection by using multilayer combined armor made of metal and ceramic layers (here is ours, that is the English “chobham”, that others) and has long been a standard for MBT (we have been using it since T-64A ) Another thing is that on obsolete tanks even these measures against modern means are not sufficient and the victory in the eternal dispute “shield against the sword” in their case is increasingly shifting towards the latter. And here you have to, of course, “improvise” from what is at hand.

[Monos]

Quote: insular

This is about bars. They appeared in the Second World War, or rather a year in 43-44.

You look. Our ancestors, too, came up with protection against cumulatives on the go. I did not come across such photos. Okay, I’m taking my words about the "idiot" back. Convinced. But I ask you to behave correctly in the future.

[igorka357]

Sht-sht ... exactly on BV ... I’m not really laughing at you anymore ..

[Alex_Gazenvagen]

Write too boldly, smartly and rationally, local old-timers do not like this.

[Dangerous]

Well, yes, and then in the Soviet KB xs who was sitting, and savages from the desert without education showed them how to))) The designers already thought at the time, and made on the basis of 72ki T-90, which holds the missiles without modifications, and then once again thought and made Armata. Although the Syrians have their own truth, they are more important than security and mobility in the current conditions.

[Alex_Gazenvagen]

Do you even think sometimes that you write?
Which designers? What to think?
Everything has been considered for a long time, new weapons have been created.
Engineering thought came to active defense, the development of passive reached the limit.
What the Syrians are doing is desperate attempts to at least slightly increase crew survival.

[Borets]

Quote: Monos

means protection is not enough

Yes, it’s clear that it’s not enough. What else can you think of if you shoot NLD from the basement from several tens of meters of barmel So they hang boxes of sand.

[Berkut24]

There is something for designers to think about.

Everything was invented long ago. And implemented on a new technique. And there’s no reason to invent for a long time written off from the Russian army.

[cost]

And war is always a testing ground. And a push for technology

[igorka357]

Nothing cynical, any war is a training ground, and fuel for the military-industrial complex!

[gla172]

.... Yesterday I watched a program about Soviet attack aircraft ........, so they said about the Egyptian troops that they say "any, even the best weapons falling into the hands of unprepared (i.e. Egyptians) become just a bunch of metal. .....

[novel66]

lining of armor - the dream of a summer resident

[san4es]

Angled grill kit increases stealth. And add stones and rubbish, so generally STELS will turn out

[silverwolf88]

Create ... invent ... try and offer ... the main thing is that people are looking for new ways to protect personnel ... and a lot works ... really works in the field ...

[Serzh_R]

And what kind of scarp on the tower?
Or is it a dry ration?

[voyaka uh]

It seems that there was somehow a serious discussion at VO.
I remember that the most effective frame is made of steel strips (enough
durable). The rocket must pass between them, and the stripes edges damage
case and copper cum. cone of the main charge.
The frame must be mounted 30-40 cm from the main armor.

[Parsec]

Quote: voyaka uh

The rocket must pass between them, and the stripes edges damage
case and copper cum. cone of the main charge.

Fierce nonsense.

[gla172]

...... this is more to my liking .....

[Glory1974]

various types of screens were used in Chechnya. And they used them not because they were fools, but because they really helped. Another question is how to do it right, but here the industry is silent, or openly breaches.
During active hostilities there were directives from the command what and how to do. Probably based on combat experience.
Now we are looking at the Syrians and Ukraine, but we have forgotten our experience.