Medicine in the village. Where to go for treatment?

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Rural residents - 38 million people, representing about 26% of the total population of the Russian Federation. Does the rural population of the country differ in high living standards? - If only in the reports of local officials ... Is the social infrastructure developed in the countryside? - Unfortunately, too, no more than yes. Have the working conditions for rural residents been created by modern standards? - Not everywhere (to put it mildly). Rural work itself, which has not actually changed in its principles over many decades, leaves its mark on the health of those who are engaged in such work. And the question that has already been raised on the pages of our information and analytical portal - the question of why the Russian village is dying out, is also closely connected with the urgent issue of rural health care.

This question is so painful for millions of Russians that any affecting it causes a sharp reaction. Explainable ...



Medicine in the village. Where to go for treatment?


So, how to get fast and qualified medical assistance in the countryside? Officially - everything for this is available. As the main option - equipped obstetric point with a professional health worker, and better - a few. Meet, listen, diagnose, advise, write out the drug, direction, etc., etc. FAP is the largest pre-medical outpatient polyclinic institution providing primary health care to the rural population and plays an important role in treatment and preventive care, conducting a set of preventive and health measures, as well as in sanitary and anti-epidemic work. The creation of FAPs is caused by the features inherent in rural health care, the need to bring medical care closer to the population in a large radius of care for the local hospital (outpatient clinic) in relation to all existing settlements.

The FAP provides early detection of infectious patients, carries out primary anti-epidemic measures in the outbreaks, and current sanitary supervision of the territory of populated areas. An important place in the activity of the feldsher-midwife center is occupied by the active conduct of sanitary-educational work among the population. Medical assistants and midwives are directly involved in organizing and conducting medical examinations, the annual medical examination of the rural population.

It can be said that FAP is the face of medicine in rural areas. But that's the whole difficulty, that with FAPs everything is great only officially, and even then outside of statistics and exclusively in the language of local reporting. The face of medicine in the village may not come out ...

In fact, most of the FAPs are morally obsolete for a long time, and in many localities there are no FAPs at all. The message is often this: “what kind of a FAP should they have if there are 30 yards left in the village and there are no young people at all”. The fact that the departure of this very young person can be “somehow” connected, including with the lack of elementary medical care, report makers and analytical information for budget variations is not particularly worried.

According to the information of the Independent Monitoring Foundation “Health” with reference to the data of the Accounts Chamber, in 2015 in Russia there were 31,6 thousand FAPs - in all regions of the country. However, not all work now. As it turns out, many are listed only on paper. That is, the FAP as a building, it seems, is there, but as a real medical institution - with staff and equipment, it seems, and not ... And despite the fact that in the vast majority of cases, FAP is the only place in the village where you can buy basic medicines . Well, do not go to the pharmacy network to where customers even if constant, but very few. Do not go.

The issue of the availability of primary medical care in the village and remote areas was discussed at a meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin with the Minister of Health of the Russian Federation Veronika Skvortsova. It was in August last year.

Veronika Skvortsova cited the statistics of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation characterizing the scale of the problem:

- 63% of rural residents seek medical help in the city;
- in the period from 2005 to 2011, the number of obstetric points decreased (or, as we like to say, “optimized”) by more than 5 thousand, then the state program entered, but it clearly does not cover the needs: from 2013 to 2015 year was open only 460 FAP;
- in some villages FAPs work once a week; villages with fewer than 100 people were left without any medical assistance at all;
- 17,5 thousand settlements have no medical infrastructure, of which in the 11 thousand - to the nearest doctor more than 20 km “on the move”;
- in 35% of settlements where there is no medical care, there is also no public transport;
- in regions with low population density, such as, for example, the Kamchatka Territory, there are no mobile brigades;
- The time of arrival of the ambulance carriage to the village can reach several hours. Or maybe this “carriage” doesn’t reach the patient at all for the most banal reason - a thaw, the road is “razvezlo”.

The Ministry of Health, as he claims, keeps this situation under control. In 2016, the Minister of Health signed an order to organize the provision of primary health care to rural residents.

According to the order, populated areas with the number of inhabitants more than 2 thousand people should have an ambulatory. When the number of inhabitants is from 301 to 2, thousand people must have a FAP or outpatient clinic. With the number of 100-300 residents, medical assistance should be provided through the FAP or field work (choice).

In search of a solution to the problem, regional authorities are looking for different ways.

For example, in the Belgorod region, which by many parameters in the Russian Federation acts as a standard, rely on mobility. A mobile obstetric point for the second year runs in areas where there are no medical assistants at all. The same mobile medical stations operate in the Chelyabinsk, Orenburg, Sakhalin regions, on Yamal and in the Komi Republic.

The medical organizations of the Ivanovo region formed 47 medical teams for visits to rural areas, organized the delivery of rural patients to central district hospitals and specialized healthcare institutions.

In the Voronezh region in the framework of the project “Quality of life. Health ”over the past two years, the building has been built 59 obstetric stations and 12 medical ambulance stations.



Nevertheless, measures taken to improve the situation with rural medicine are not enough. They are - it is a fact. But once again - they are not enough for such a huge country. Even despite the positive reports from the regions, the negative trends in terms of access of rural residents to medical care continues to persist. In a number of regions - it is aggravated.

Most rural residents in the 21st century also do not have the opportunity to undergo a normal medical examination and cannot afford complete treatment. For many villagers the trip to the district hospital is very expensive, and the debts. In this regard, the death rate in rural areas, which is often several times higher than the birth rate, cannot but grow. And this causes concern about the state of demography in the countryside. To put it mildly, anxiety ...

In conclusion, I would like to note the following thing: the FAP is not just an important part of the infrastructure where you can get first aid, advice on treating diseases, consult, take a referral to a district clinic, give an injection or buy medicine, but also . (and for the rural dweller it is sometimes equally important) - to find understanding from the person in the white coat - a person who is truly prayed in the villages as someone who can come to the aid at the most difficult moment. This is moral support, the effect of which is sometimes no less than from therapy.

I would like this problem, directly connected with demography, in state structures to be dealt with progressively and professionally.
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  1. +24
    24 March 2017 06: 17
    "crooked mirror" ... on channel 1 everything is fine, all the "shows" are only about Ukraine and Europe, a ban on discussing the internal situation? because everything is bad there? so as not to rock the boat? with "good" indicators, let's go to the elections ...
    1. +11
      24 March 2017 07: 17
      Quote: Mystery12345
      "crooked mirror" ... on channel 1 everything is fine, all the "shows" are only about Ukraine and Europe, a ban on discussing the internal situation? because everything is bad there? so as not to rock the boat? with "good" indicators, let's go to the elections ...


      It is what it is. My friend lives in Chuvashia. 120 km. from the capital. His spouse began to give birth, so due to the closure of all maternity hospitals in the districts, they took them to Cheboksary themselves, over 120 km. Of course I gave birth in a car. An ambulance arrived at the base of the loaf. I thought we don’t have such for a long time. This is our concern for people.
    2. +14
      24 March 2017 08: 48
      There is not a doctor in every city if you have one specialist for the entire hospital, but no coupons. I have to go to the regional (regional) paid. And somewhere it doesn’t work, but only by plane. Yesterday, the box showed how children go to school on foot for 8 kilometers, thanks to Medvedev’s "optimization of school education."
      1. +16
        24 March 2017 09: 00
        Quote: siberalt
        Yesterday, the box showed how children go to school on foot for 8 kilometers, thanks to Medvedev’s "optimization of school education."

        Well, in the village school and under the Union we went for many kilometers. For example, I finished 9th and 10th classes in 40 km. from the house. But what has now been done with medicine in the countryside is by no means:
      2. +5
        24 March 2017 09: 09
        There is such a concept: "Red flags", i.e. syndromic diagnosis. How to reduce queues and improve availability? Emergency care is out of turn. The electronic queue for consultation should be accompanied by a survey and the computer itself will tell whom. Headache - it can be with hypertension, problems with teeth, cervical osteochondrosis, etc. Thus, flows and unnecessary queuing will be reduced. Or here's another option: the patient needs to be tested for hospitalization for planned treatment. Why stand in line with the surgeon or therapist when you can get directions from the hospital in the direction from the hospital. Apparatus for measuring blood pressure, glucometers, sell at every step.
        To measure blood pressure, we don’t have to go to the clinic. After all, no one asks what kind of medicine we want to see.
        1. +6
          24 March 2017 12: 46
          Do not forget that modern medicine is a huge cost. Modern, high-quality equipment and consumables cost a lot of money. And the reason is simple, we do not have our own production. There are no normal drugs, normal consumables for HTMP, normal traumatological iron. And for some reason, none of the bureaucrats is interested in questions of its production. Where are the domestic tomographs? Where are at least x-ray machines? Where is all this in a country that builds airplanes and nuclear submarines?
          1. +6
            24 March 2017 16: 22
            Where is all this in a country that builds airplanes and nuclear submarines?

            If there had been no Soviet Union in the history of Russia, then under the current regime the country would not have built a single aircraft or a single submarine. There would be an ordinary Pipeline.
            It remains to be hoped that the USSR’s backlog is still enough.
          2. 0
            24 March 2017 18: 33
            The income tax from a rural worker is the edge of arrogance and injustice on the part of the Russian authorities. A person without basic medical care pays for the benefits of civilization for a city dweller.
            1. +3
              24 March 2017 18: 38
              Quote: Kohl
              The income tax from a rural worker is the edge of arrogance and injustice on the part of the Russian authorities. Man not having basic care help pays benefits of civilization for the urban dweller

              KolyaYou are probably not in the know:
              - medical insurance in the Russian Federation is paid from the Federal Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund (MHIF)
              - contributions to the FFOMS are paid not by the employee, but by the employer
              - The income tax paid by the employee has nothing to do with medical insurance. From the word "absolutely."
          3. +1
            27 March 2017 08: 33
            In the late 80s, everything was done, clinical trials were conducted, a plant was designated for the production of the whole range of medical equipment, from tomographs to remedies, I myself read this order. Perestroika, the collapse of the USSR and all ruhnolo. Already in the 70s, astronauts flew into orbit with an ECGraph the size of a book! Completely domestic development, was produced at a radio factory in a neighboring region. 40 years ago, as a student, I took part in experiments to study xymedon, a drug that accelerates wound healing. That's only in the clinic I saw him in the late 90s. Several in-house MRIs were developed in our city, some are still working, even if they were not perfect, but there was plenty of work to do. With the support of the state would be brought to mind.
  2. +13
    24 March 2017 06: 42
    Quote: Mystery12345
    with "good" indicators, let's go to the elections ...

    In the village, medicine is completely over, now they have taken on small towns. They close hospitals (enlarge, "optimize"), doctors are now fleeing to regional centers. As one worker said, "Comrades are on the right path." angry crying hi
  3. +7
    24 March 2017 06: 51
    Well, that’s optimized. Now, during the medical examination, it is not necessary to take tests and undergo ultrasound. It remains to listen to the therapist’s chatter, on the topic ... well, what do you want, this is age ... One asks, but then they need horseradish ... You can be treated on TV or on a computer.
  4. +11
    24 March 2017 07: 13
    As for the outpatient clinic in n.p. with a population of more than 2000 people. In the 70s, she lived for some time in a remote village with a population of 1000 people. and there was not only an outpatient clinic, and a gynecologist with a midwife, but also a hospital !!! and there was also a dental office. This place is Kai forests, I recall the place of exile. Here is the information for those who pour the last words on the scoop, as it was undemocratic.
    And the situation with medical care in the village is really difficult. The peculiarity of rural work is injury, in case of bleeding there is no one to help. And also microtraumas, which are not immediately paid attention to, and the inflammatory process begins. In principle, the treatment is simple - dressings and physiotherapy, which is not even discussed in the village. And not treatment with operations ends.
    What's the use of keeping it under control if there is no money for medical care. Huge money is spent on the maintenance of insurance companies. For something to "optimize" the cost of costs. Doctors are fined for providing more medical care. Doctors cannot heal. Those undergoing treatment at the hospital cannot consult another doctor, and in people, a bunch of diseases and untreated problems reduce the effect of treatment of the main one. If a patient wants to receive high-quality medical care, then he must be examined himself and bring the results to the doctor, then the doctor will have the opportunity to treat qualitatively. Recently L. Roshal understood the question of the unnecessaryness of insurance companies. The answer came quickly - the question of age was raised - it is impossible for Roshal and Bokeria to head clinics of the wrong age. These are the cases with medicine in the country.
    1. +11
      24 March 2017 08: 16
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Recently, the question of the uselessness of insurance companies was understood by L. Roshal. The answer came quickly, the question of age was raised - Roshal and Bokeria cannot head the clinic age is not the same. This is the case with medicine in the country.

      Insurance companies, as capitalist enterprises and generally as a phenomenon in a socially oriented state, should not exist! Because inevitably - according to the "logic of capitalism" - they turn into "milking machines" of the population; which, in fact, happened with the auto citizen, but earlier it was less noticeable! - with medical insurance.
      Private medicine - let it exist on an equal footing with the state; but - with the state, as the basis of health care in the state !!!
      ... because medicine, in addition to the tasks of public health, also has another important goal, spiritual: - mercy for the afflicted and weak! who cannot stand up for themselves!
      To demand mercy from the capitalist enterprise existing for the sake of profit - whether there are clinics, hospitals, polyclinics there and other sanatoriums and nursing homes - ..... ???
      1. +7
        24 March 2017 09: 00
        Dear forum users, you got to the point and asked a very painful question about the parasitism of insurance companies at health care. But unfortunately nothing will change, it will only get worse. 10 years ago wrote a letter to the president exactly about this problem, with justification. I received an OFFICIAL answer - from the Ministry of Health: doctor, do not worry, we have the best insurance system in the world, etc.
  5. +8
    24 March 2017 08: 14
    "We say, dear, there are no sick people in the village. There are two categories. The living and the dead."
  6. +12
    24 March 2017 08: 21
    Residents of rural areas - 38 million people, which is about 26% of the total population of the Russian Federation


    Add here more villages with a population of up to 30 thousand. a person where the situation is about the same and now 1/2 of the population of Russia lives as it can.
    Putin asked somehow at the next meeting of Manturov what is being done for medicine now, well, we plan to purchase five helicopters this year. Five? Putin was surprised it is the same zero for all of Russia. Another here made a discovery that he considers it a unique phenomenon that the working population lives below the poverty line. What can we talk about when such people manage their ministries?
    1. +8
      24 March 2017 09: 00
      Quote: krops777
      Another here made a discovery that he considers it a unique phenomenon that the working population lives below the poverty line.

      which does not prevent the local cheer patriot from rejoicing that under Putin there were 20 million fewer poor! ... apparently less than under Yeltsen
      1. 0
        24 March 2017 14: 35
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        under Putin, there were 20 million fewer poor! ... apparently less than under Yeltsen

        Have these 20 million poor people become richer or dead? what
    2. 0
      26 March 2017 15: 00
      A significant part of these villages and villages is quite officially related in some regions to rural settlements.
  7. +3
    24 March 2017 08: 32
    The plans of our enemies to reduce most of the population of Russia, and the remaining ones, turning into slaves, are being successfully implemented.
    1. +4
      24 March 2017 14: 39
      Quote: vladimirvn
      The plans of our enemies to reduce most of the population of Russia, and the remaining ones, turning into slaves, are being successfully implemented

      The reduction of the population of Russia is carried out by the Russian government, governors and officials with the full approval of the president. HPP in all its glory.
  8. +12
    24 March 2017 08: 36
    The site seems to be military .... But I’ll add my 5 cents. Medicine is still not being optimized. Communists are idiots, FAPs built, schools, libraries in villages, and effective managers: suburban and even foreign houses, stadiums, yachts and football clubs. GAZPROM is of course a good company, it supports football, but can they give them instead of regional clubs to sponsor infrastructure there? Football players are adults, let them earn money, our market, inefficient enterprises go bankrupt. FAP in the village unprofitable (according to the insurance company) it is closed. So football clubs can’t survive without subsidies. In villages where there are no health workers, they offer to train anyone who wants to, in 2 weeks, to officially provide assistance (!) Even during the Second World War, nurses were trained longer. We have optimized.
    1. +15
      24 March 2017 09: 30
      Quote: dr.star75
      . We have optimized.

      Well, everything is not so hopeless and not everything is being optimized ..... For example, the medical facilities of the President’s Office for some reason are not optimizing, but rather, on the contrary, they don’t feel a lack of financing and medicines ... Our elite is being treated there, and if necessary, abroad, and not in regional polyclinics, so everything is logical - a well-fed hungry one doesn’t understand, so what are you talking about, what kind of medicine in the village are you talking about, it’s small, it’s more important ....
      And the fact that the whole world has to throw itself off for complex operations for sick children is not at all possible - the state must find funds for such things first of all ...
      The greatness of the country is determined not only by the defense power and the number of Olympic medals won, but also by the care of those who can not take care of themselves ....
    2. +7
      24 March 2017 10: 05
      Quote: dr.star75
      The site seems to be military .... But I’ll add my 5 cents.

      This is not 5 cents! much more expensive ...
  9. +5
    24 March 2017 09: 21
    Medicine in the village. Where to go for treatment?

    In the cemetery, where else.
  10. 0
    24 March 2017 10: 05
    Quote: Svetozarny
    Medicine in the village. Where to go for treatment?

    In the cemetery, where else.

    The cemetery is leveling everyone.
  11. +3
    24 March 2017 10: 51
    Where to go to be treated?

    The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue and without noise and on hips. By stupidity, I tried to be treated, went to the clinic. More than a foot there.
    1. +2
      24 March 2017 12: 43
      This is the right approach. Now, doctors will have time to treat REAL patients, and not those who GO to the clinic.
      1. +1
        24 March 2017 14: 51
        The real patients in line at the clinic and with the complete disregard of doctors will bend there. I remember how about 10 years ago I sat in a queue with a therapist after a severe flu. I barely sat in the crowd of old women and the same sick as me. He spent an hour and a half among coughing and sneezing. Waited for the "reception". They didn’t even really listen to the lungs. Her throat looked out of the corner of her eye. Sits and writes something in different papers. She had no time for me and my problems. I wrote down a bunch of expensive medicines and let's goodbye ... While I work and have money - not a single foot in the "free" clinic!
        1. +1
          24 March 2017 15: 06
          But who is against it, just do not forget that the same doctors work in paid places (he himself is). And the clinic - they don’t treat it there, in fact the control room - is sent to specialists, they are led after hospitals. Something like this.
          1. 0
            24 March 2017 18: 33
            I agree that the doctors are the same. Only the approach to the patient is different - attentive. And do not push around come crowds of patients.
            1. +1
              24 March 2017 20: 39
              Yes, yes. But the doctor of the clinic is not so angry himself, he has standards for 12 minutes per person at the therapist, for 10 for the general practitioner. You must take at least 22 people plus three tenants per day, otherwise the penalties from the leadership. Glory to the Almighty that I have long passed this stage.
            2. 0
              26 March 2017 15: 04
              Sometimes the same doctor works in both the public and private systems. And in different places, his behavior towards patients differs radically. Although, on the other hand, now rudeness of staff, even in some private clinics, has become common.
        2. +1
          27 March 2017 10: 25
          In a paid appointment appointment every 20-30 minutes. In the Free-10-15 minutes per patient.
          They demanded from me in all three paid: appoint more analyzes and consultations, choose those who can pay well, etc.
  12. +2
    24 March 2017 11: 14
    Who needs doctors in the white world?
    After all, everyone knows this
    Only two ailments affect the body -
    Tryndets - is not treated, muyna - will pass by itself.
  13. +1
    24 March 2017 11: 19
    The topic is really painful.
    But there is a comment about the problem of medical care and the extinction of the village.

    We do not have the extinction of the village. We have a population transfer from village to city. And the quality of medical care, as part of the necessary social infrastructure of this trend is very conducive.
    Alas. This is an objective process and we are not alone in this.


    As for the state of affairs in the village with medicine, we need to slightly separate the streams of problems.
    But we must first of all understand that rural medicine will ALWAYS be more expensive than urban medicine simply because the population density in the countryside and in the city varies by orders of magnitude.

    From this, a very simple conclusion follows that the FAP should take into account not only the number of inhabitants, but also the distance to the nearest other FAP. Those. relatively speaking, each villager must have a FAP at a distance of no more than 10/20/30 (conventional figures) km from his settlement, if he is not in this settlement. At the same time, a room with minimal equipment should be in each locality in order to be able to provide a planned exit reception.
    When determining distances, the presence and condition of the road network must be taken into account.

    And now we divide the problem into providing emergency assistance and providing planned assistance.

    For emergency care, the main thing is speed. Therefore, I believe that EACH FAP (even if it is near a large city) should be equipped with a helipad. And accordingly, instead of nuclear powered vehicles to buy helicopters. This is especially true for Siberia and the Far East, but even for Central European Russia, each district center should have two helicopters at a minimum (but at the same time the automotive version of the ambulances should remain).
    Firstly, it will greatly help accelerate the delivery of emergency patients, as well as the response to accidents. Secondly, if you give an order only for our helicopters, you can support our industry in a large series. Indeed, even if we only take a ratio of 1 to 10, the series will be 3-4 thousand. But this is serious. In addition, we have options for such helicopters: KA-226 or Ansat.

    In addition, during epidemics in helicopters, it is faster to make initial rounds of patients.

    As for the scheduled maintenance, then again, the presence of a helicopter can help with this.
    Relatively speaking, we can offer the following scheme of work:
    The plot. Stationary FAP. Helicopter. 5-7 sat without a FAP.
    Every day, the first half of the day is a reception in one of the villages without FAP. And in the afternoon, primary patients are bypassed.
    Moreover, if necessary, hospitalization can also be carried out with the same helicopter.

    There is only one question - who will clear helipads in winter?
  14. +3
    24 March 2017 11: 30
    Where is all the money?
    1. +7
      24 March 2017 12: 20
      Quote: Rabinovich
      Where is all the money?


      Oh, but you didn’t know? Their Jews stole !!! Jews also broke all the roads, they also make people throw garbage from the balcony and, for example, eat ice cream and throw the wrapper under their feet, not in the trash!
      Jews also prevent Russian people from living well and happily. they do not give them work and do not let the RUSSIAN ECONOMY into power. who will build factories, factories and other things for them, so that Russian people can benefit a huge country !!! For example, there was a Russian, and it turned out for him to go about his business. he began to earn income, so he automatically becomes a Jew, a thief and a bloodsucker!

      But seriously, then we have 70 percent of the population, which doesn’t produce anything, but only receives money from the budget and aching a little !!! And the saddest thing is that nothing is being done to ease the budget !!! but even sadder is the fact that the state develops and encourages freeloaders !!!
      1. +2
        24 March 2017 18: 54
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        seriously, then we have 70 percent of the population, which doesn’t produce anything, but only receives money from the budget and aching a little !!!

        Who should be concerned that the population has a job and thus could produce both the useful and the budget? State - isn't it? Or the state can only rip off the population without giving him anything in return to replenish the family wallet? And the budget is replenished by the tax on production, and in civilized countries also by the progressive scale of taxation: the rich pay more tax than the poor. And we have everything under one comb.
        And Kostya Andreev to listen to you, so in Russia there is a lot of work everywhere, but nobody wants to work. Of course, 70% do not produce anything. Trite - nowhere to produce.
        PS: it’s not necessary to make lazy degenerates from Russians who just want to demand, but don’t work. Do not.
        1. 0
          24 March 2017 19: 17
          Well, I’m saying that your task as a commentator and patriot is to point out the shortcomings, criticize, shame and then say that this state should solve the problem. And to give civilized countries as an example, modestly keeping silent that enterprises in these civilized countries do not belong to the state and no one pours and does not blame the authorities for their ruin of tears !!!

          I will never say and did not say that Russian lazy degenerates, But that I can safely say that the Communists made slaves of the Russian people. who are waiting for the good gentleman to come feed, drink and solve problems !!! Regarding taxes, Open your own production, or trade and pay all taxes, teach others and show an example how to, pay a decent salary and pay taxes
          and how was your state ripped off by you?
          1. +2
            25 March 2017 15: 53
            Quote: Kostya Andreev
            I will never say and did not say that Russian lazy degenerates, But that I can safely say that the Communists made slaves of the Russian people. who are waiting for the good gentleman to come feed, drink and solve problems !!! Regarding taxes, Open your own production, or trade and pay all taxes, teach others and show an example how to, pay a decent salary and pay taxes
            and how was your state ripped off by you?

            The fact that small businesses were crushed by taxes is what I know perfectly. But I was not talking about him. I spoke about large city-forming enterprises that were successfully privatized and closed in the 90s and XNUMXs.
            But the communists did not make slaves. They made free people. Free not from permissiveness and lawlessness as it is now, but from worries for tomorrow. People lived and knew that they had a future with many opportunities. And now, many people live one day. It doesn’t work out.
            The state now spit on me and everyone else. The main thing is to pay taxes. And where will you look for money to pay taxes - the government does not care. There is no money - go homeless - you did not fit into a market economy. And merchants and businessmen, everyone will never become. For it is not given to the majority. Only Chubais can calmly talk about 30 million dead, who just did not manage to fit into the realities of a market economy.
      2. +4
        24 March 2017 19: 22
        Quote: Kostya Andreev
        But seriously, then we have 70 percent of the population, which doesn’t produce anything, but only receives money from the budget and aching a little !!! And the saddest thing is that nothing is being done to ease the budget !!!

        The second day I read your experiences for the budget. According to your budget, this is something of value, the fate of which must be relieved. Here lazy people do not give, load the Holy Budget with their existence and do not want anything else. There are so many possibilities in your circle, and everybody wants to fall for the budget thing, by the way, skinny and half empty for most ordinary state employees. Here is something that is hard to believe that the ability to earn decent money outside the budget will be ignored. So maybe first of all, not questions to people, but to those who determine economic policy? And secondly, all the same to the people. Every nation has those rulers whom it deserves.
        1. +5
          24 March 2017 19: 47
          Quote: Karabin
          The second day I read your experiences for the budget

          It seems that Kostya built a tent, and for the first time went to the tax. sad
        2. +1
          24 March 2017 20: 08
          Quote: Karabin
          And every nation has those rulers whom it deserves.

          Smart and correct words !!!
          Therefore, the tit is empty as there are many suckers. The budget is not infinite and if you add money in one place, then in another it will decrease !!! For example, now every city has a thought and management The number of deputies of the representative body of the settlement, including the urban district, is determined by the charter of the municipality and cannot be less than:

          7 people - with a population of less than 1000 people;

          10 people - with a population of 1000 to 10;

          15 people - with a population of 10 to 000 people;

          20 people - with a population of 30 to 000 people;

          25 people - with a population of 100 to 000 people;

          35 people - with a population of over 500 people.

          And this is only for deputies, not counting the secretaries and others, but count how many settlements, cities and so on in the country, you can add other state employees, (for example, employees of the pension fund of the city hall, etc.), you can also add, for example, budget expenses for science, education, maintenance of the kindergarten, etc. understand that there is not enough money.
          In confirmation of my words, you can go to budget organizations starting from the village council and ending with some kind of state office, see how many people are sitting there, and everyone, everyone is engaged in the necessary and necessary business, and often is someone's relative !!!

          I’m not worried about the budget, I’m worried that in order to fill the budget and cover additional costs, they begin to increase taxes, tighten the rules and so on, as a result, the country will come to the conclusion that it will not be profitable to work and will again go into the shadows.
          1. +1
            26 March 2017 15: 10
            Yes, the vast majority of deputies of the rural, village, city level work on a voluntary basis. Moreover, in the vast majority of settlements and districts, the role of the deputies is humiliatingly small. everything is decided in administrations. I believe that at the local level, unlike the federal and partly regional, excessive strengthening of the executive bodies is not necessary. Given the powers of settlements and districts, collegial decision making is more suitable here. This does not apply to large urban districts.
  15. +3
    24 March 2017 12: 06
    Rabinovich. Where is all the money?
    So your fellow tribesmen
    Abramovich, Gusinsky, Berezovsky, Vekselberg,
    Michelson, this money and
    exported and exported to
    huge quantities.
    1. +2
      24 March 2017 18: 31
      Quote: Candibober
      So your fellow tribesmen
      Abramovich, Gusinsky, Berezovsky, Vekselberg,
      Michelson, this money and
      exported and exported

      And a hundred million looks at it. Having opened his mouth and does not do a damn thing, that would change it.
  16. +2
    24 March 2017 12: 12
    Mr. Volodin, I read your article, as well as comments, there is a problem, but why did it arise? I’ll give you an example from my life, my wife was pregnant, so we went to a private office for an ultrasound, there is a woman, an honored doctor, a bunch of awards, diplomas, an authoritative name, I bought a device (Toshiba, or Panasonic), but that’s not the point, and in the fact that it costs several hundred thousand dollars, she serves and maintain it at her own expense, and she also studied for her money! Do you propose to put such an apparatus in every village? it’s possible, but the problem is that the device itself doesn’t work; a specialist is needed for it, but not one, where to get such a salary so that he doesn’t leave for the city, where you can earn money and upgrade qualifications, plus service from a service center, and that’s also worth the money. (by the way, the device is weaker in the state hospital), there are other different medical devices, such as MRI, stamotologichesky equipment and other interesting things that are incredibly expensive. Let me give you another example, last year they put me to examine the heart, since the hospital was near the house, I just went there and left in the evening, but there were villagers, because there are no such hospitals in the village with such equipment, you offer in each village to build a hospital, with all the high-tech equipment and specialists? The cost of this equipment and its maintenance is such that you can simply overpower the whole village in the city, at the state expense (why don't they do this?).
    To realize your unconditionally wonderful dreams there will not be enough money !!!
    And the young specialist will not go to work in the village, not because he is lazy and does not pay much, but also because he will not gain experience in the village.
    By the way, the article gives an answer to your question that you raised about KKM and tax increases! You and commentators were indignant over why taxes are raised. Here is the answer to you that our state contains everything and everything. I also answered you that everything is budgetary with us and people offer to hang it even more on the budget, but they demand it. so that pensions would be raised. salaries, retirement age and more. The funniest thing in yesterday's article is the comments. People who, to put it mildly, are far from KKM, and other things tried to tell me (to a person who knows something) what it is and what it is for. Resented by the actions of the government, and justifying people who evade taxes.
    You mentioned the election. As a means to change things! so I can say that people will vote not for the one who says real things, but who promises more, well, for example, to be elected commentators of VO, considering what contingent is present here, I would promise in my program: In each village, Moscow hospital, and at Moscow State University, and entertainment at the level of capitals, would also promise to open production, increase salaries. And pensions, rearmament of the army and other fiction which has little real with reality!
    1. +3
      24 March 2017 15: 15
      Regarding "our state contains everything and everything," and it is a descendant that the economic model is worthless.
      She worked in a large enterprise in Soviet times. This enterprise worked efficiently, built houses, kindergartens, schools for profit, all this contained an enterprise, as well as a dispensary with all the necessary equipment, as well as a camp site, a boarding house in Tuapse. All this provided products from the subsidiary household — meat, vegetables, which was also built by the enterprise. In addition to production workshops, there was such a unit-like farm, and kindergartens and dispensaries were part of the structure of housing and communal services. And there was a health center that worked around the clock, seven days a week. And production developed, all issues were resolved. And what was the burden on the state, production ensured everything. And where is the money from production now? Where are these profits that provided a decent life to 4,5 employees? This company was destroyed, there were those who felt that such should belong to a group of people. At first it was bankrupt: they came on January 2, and on the account 0, they obligated us to pay taxes on manufactured and non-shipped products, and a huge warehouse of finished goods occupied several hectares, some of the products were always incomplete, such is the production technology. Put today's "efficient" owners in such conditions - everything will go bankrupt. They sold the enterprise, rather they gave it away, they didn’t receive any money for the enterprise, they paid debts on salary for years, they didn’t remember about the shares. Resold a couple of times, the company ceased to exist. Remained boiler room, which provides warmth at home. We have the highest rates in the city. Including because the central heating facility is in sublease, ours, taken for free now, we are resold to tri-roads. These are the residents of our region who wrote to Putin, then he still blew Belykh for his absence after the new year. Think you figured it out? RTS instantly liquidated its press release. I have a printout. And the "effective owners" once said that the tariff should be raised, they don’t have money to maintain the boiler room. Here is the answer. In the USSR, enterprises carried social security, and now only the state, which wants to shift everything onto the shoulders of the population. And where did the profit from working efficient enterprises come from? Yes, everything is withdrawn to the west, it is the personal property of a handful of owners and together with the Central Bank finance the western economy. The population mainly with low incomes cannot objectively support the state, and there is no demand for people with high incomes — they have only continuous benefits.
      1. +4
        24 March 2017 19: 10
        First, the state took away jobs from the population, destroyed a huge number of industries, automatically deprived itself of the lion's budget revenues received from these industries, and now there is no money. That is, money only gets into the budget a little. If you cancel investments in bonds of foreign countries, limit the export of money from the country and make a progressive scale of taxation, and shocked different lieutenant colonels and generals, then there would be enough money to make up the budgets with a surplus.
  17. +6
    24 March 2017 13: 04
    The problem of medicine in Russia is very acute, and is part of a complex of problems in the socio-economic development of the country. It was rightly mentioned here that urbanization and a vast territory play an important role: no doubt, when considering a map, we find an increase in agglomerations and an outflow of population in them. The question is why?
    - Yes, everything is simple. There is no prospect for life and development in the province. Basically. She is not there. This is especially clearly seen in central Russia when you travel outside the Moscow region and normal roads and infrastructure end. 100 kilometers from the CAPITAL, people already go to the hole and drown with firewood, and abandoned villages are found frighteningly often.
    Currently, there is no development strategy for the Russian province and village. The last intelligible solution in this direction was a targeted road construction program in rural areas, already in the 80s of the last century. And that’s all. In the 90s they just spat on everything. Since the 2000s, only declarations, appeals, "development strategies" and lengthy arguments with a smart look and beautiful words have been heard.
    As a result, people are forced to go to cities, get on a mortgage, live in rented apartments in homogeneous concrete bugs. The most intelligent and cunning city dwellers buy cheap apartments and rent these concrete crib to visitors, and at the same time, they buy good land in the province, build their own estates, live and relax like a bar, in nature, in peace and solitude.
    1. +1
      26 March 2017 15: 13
      I would like less expression. You can’t imagine, but many people really like to live in apartments in high-rise buildings.
  18. Fox
    +1
    24 March 2017 15: 18
    we don’t have any medicine ... the last nurse-loaf completely broke ... a few villages by themselves (however, as before) the dead (or dying) are now being taken on their own ... and so, to the area whom the elderly will be taken to, You can start digging the grave. Not for the first time already. But this one, the FAP is ... they built a block ... only there is nobody there and nothing.
  19. +1
    24 March 2017 16: 33
    The ancestors out were not treated with any chemistry. And they were sound: "eat the birch bark, and cheer up, for the time being. Tea is not some kind of chemistry, natural gifts of tea")))
    In general, the salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.
  20. 0
    26 March 2017 06: 55
    Quote: Normal ok
    "eat birch bark, and cheer up, for the time being. Tea is not some kind of chemistry, natural gifts of tea")))

    "Eat a rabbit droppings, it’s useful, it will catch ...."
  21. 0
    26 March 2017 14: 57
    Sometimes small towns in our country are essentially rural settlements. But the opposite is more common - a large village or a village-district center officially refers to rural settlements, but the way of life and the nature of employment in people are mainly urban. And rural status is beneficial for residents in terms of teacher salaries, housing and communal services fees, etc.
  22. 0
    26 March 2017 18: 01
    So that they treat our supreme power in the same way as they treat, cripple in the countryside now. And what kind of health is it when, for any reason and without reason, you need to go 10-50 km, or even further to the regional center for 200 km, and especially when you are a pensioner and this ride is sometimes like death! So who and how can be treated with folk remedies, self-medication, hoping for the best, and this is the road somewhere, it is clear that they are not in health! And why be surprised at the high mortality rate in the countryside, it is just the result of the collapse of the previous health care system and not the creation of a new one, more effective than the previous one. And the one that is is closer to the show, so it was more fun to bend !!! And when the Minister of Health, a cardiologist herself, calls 4 hours — this is the time when you can still save a patient, for example, from a stroke, then I’m sadly wondering if many will wait for an ambulance for these hours judging by the material written in the article.