What does an Englishman do in a top-secret military institute?

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What does an Englishman do in a top-secret military institute?


Central Institute of Aviation Motors P.I. Baranova (TsIAM) - basic for aviation and even rocket industries. Due to its enormous reserve and unique experimental base, the institute survived foreign orders in the 90s of the last century. Sparked with developments, went to hypersound. But in two thousandths of bread and he was reached by the raking paws of greedy-stupid reformers of industry - they sensed budget rivers. Therefore, do not be surprised out loud: “Why are there so many Boeings in our sky? Where is our scientific background and new developments? And what are these scientists doing at all? ”



Predators

About eight or ten years ago, Arkady Mamontov released on television screens the film "Predators" about the raider seizure of defense enterprises. And the real organizers of the raider attacks told how it is possible to seize and stop (or obstruct) the activities of any of these enterprises using absolutely legal methods.

Quite by chance among these enterprises, as an example, the first in the list was CIAM im. Baranov. Everything is simple - it is necessary to begin with the substitution of managers for formally thinking crisis managers. And fill-fill-fill organization with your people.
Surprisingly, the Mamontov film was perceived by the team of the ex-vice-premier of the Russian government, Boris Aleshin, as a training, as a plan for action. The aviation science has bent down. From the sixth (!) Approach, it was possible to push through the idea of ​​creating a structure uniting the leading aviation research firms - National Research Center N.Е. Zhukovsky. CIAM has fallen.

The offensive was conducted under the flag of the general economic expediency of allocating state subsidies and minimizing costs. That the country's leadership did not hurt the eyes. Today, the head of the SIC them. N.Ye. Zhukovsky is a true “Alyoshin” Andrei Dutov, he served as his deputy at Rosprom, then replaced the chief in a responsible post and taxied for a short time by the Federal Agency for Industry. A few years later, he was again in the backstage of B. Alyoshin, already in TsAGI them. NOT. Zhukovsky. The year was ordered by the FSUE “Krylov State Research Center”, the leading scientific organization in shipbuilding, where he earned the title “Honorary Shipbuilder”. Apparently, this is why the Minister of Industry and Trade Manturov, representing Dutov when he was appointed head of the National Research Center (SIC) named after N.E. Zhukovsky, where CIAM was pulled in, called him "a man of science."
The question is - what science? Dutov - a graduate of the Moscow Financial Institute, worked in banking structures and immediately from there in 2004-m moved to the head of department in the Rosprom. Historically, in the USSR each branch had its own scientific centers. And the more complex and diverse the problems that they had to solve, the more sophisticated they were. It was a real science recognized by colleagues and competitors abroad. When the emphasis shifted to the organization of communications and the management of industry, these "science-bearing heads" began one after another to disappear from real life.

Hypersound went to the West

Survival of CIAM at the expense of friendship with foreign customers from the USA and France has a negative side. It is not surprising today that the Americans, who had never mastered the problem of supersonic fuel combustion in hypersonic aircraft combustion chambers, suddenly began to declare them as their promising technology. Everything they had somehow surprisingly well developed, eh? The question is - where was the FSB of Russia? Moreover, it is not necessary to go far, at TsIAM with the FSB remand prison in Lefortovo, a common fence.

While scientists from the USA “slept”, more than a dozen of the largest institutes worked on this topic, billions were invested, and as a result, at the end of 80, the real flying GLL — the hypersonic flying laboratory Igla under the Kholod program.
Today, work on hypersound is probably suspended - they say, underfunding affects. But what about our response to the adversary, man-made airguns, missile warheads, hypersonic aircraft? Instead of them - loot and grub for insatiable crooks and rogues?


"Pavel Andreich, are you a spy?"


CIAM General Director, Mikhail Gordin


And finally: apofige. It is finished. The leaders in CIAM began to be appointed by directives — across all election regulations, laws, and statutes.

If the previous leader is an expert and a scientist, though also from “Aleshin residents”, five years ago he was at least formally conducted in a competition (albeit already very similar to a parody: with one participant with prudently dismissed most promising candidates), now in CIAM for the post of general director of the SIC them. Zhukovsky sent a former manager of SIBUR concern Mikhail Gordin. He specialized in the production of artificial rubber and never worked in any scientific institution. Plus (!) Has English citizenship. In London, he worked for six years as a clerk in the European representation of the American oil corporation Conoco Phillips. He married there too, three children. It seems that someone decided to mockingly joke: either over the appointee, or over the institute - by combining them.

Where is the FSB looking? Or is he a secret agent of this respected organization?

We should not forget that all developments in the field of aircraft engine construction, including promising projects, go through CIAM. Combat aviation, hypersound, engines for strategic missile carriers, Tu-160M, PAK FA, PAK DA ... Or did we sign that our science has fallen and all hope for an enlightened Europe?

Gordin looks something like the actor Yuri Solomin in the film "Adjutant of His Excellency". The same neat haircut, antennae. Involuntarily, the language asks the famous question-quotation from the film: “Pavel Andreich, are you a spy?” In the meantime, CIAM is in the process of replacing an ordinary telephone network with ip-telephony. For users, this method of communication is convenient and fast, but then what secrecy can we talk about?

Now every word said in the walls of the CIAM buildings will go to the provider and further to the servers and routers that tightly control the well-known NSA and CIA of the USA. Or the echo of the grand scandal after the publication of the next portion of the WikiLeaks documents slipped past the ears of the new CIAM CEO? Or is he in a hurry to get ahead of our counterintelligence? Even televisions are watching their masters today, what can we say about communication systems via the Internet?

NK-93 - victim of an attack on CIAM

"AN" wrote about how CIAM, for purely market considerations, actually hacked down work on the super-engine NK-93. During the war for the institute of the former (up to 2011 of the year) CIAM Director Vladimir Skibin, they were faced with a choice - either a negative review on the subject of NK-93, or the head of the chair. Alas, a respected worldwide scientist chose a chair. True, then, when the war for the CIAM was V. Skibin finally lost, his opinion on the prospects of NK-93 changed to the exact opposite - we must continue to work. The most promising application of the NK-93 engine would be the creation of a scientific and technical basis for the development of aircraft engines with an ultra-high bypass ratio and would allow Russia to return to the world leaders in the aviation engine industry. But it was too late.

A design scheme of our miracle was in demand in the line of promising engines of the company "Rolls-Royce" Leap, already released for flight tests. FSB, where are you? President what is going on?


We are no longer enough in ranks of eight ...

The highest form of admission under the regime of secrecy, the new general director definitely cannot have - dual citizenship. Therefore, a possible English spy is forced to leave the ex-general director Vladimir Babkin in the position of the first deputy director of CIAM. He has his own for the "Aleshin" team, it was during his time that the ciam positions began to surrender. On the one hand, he is a scientist who made a career in science, but in 1992, he entered the civil service at the Department of Aviation Industry of the Ministry of Industry of Russia. By 2011, he was promoted to head of the aviation industry department at the Ministry of Industry and Trade. But at least he has no problems with tolerances to the state secret.

With his arrival and to this day, CIAM conducts the entire economy as Deputy Finance and Economic Affairs Elena Bokhanova, which was strongly recommended by the Director of the Aviation Industry Department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and loyal Alyoshin Andrey Boginsky (he now heads Russian Helicopters). Also an economist and financier.

With the arrival of the ladies, the institute's profit indicators went down, the wages of "science" too (at times!). The number of scientists at the institute is rapidly declining, but office plankton has received an ideal breeding environment - ordinary managers without specialized education are assigned salaries at the level of doctors of science. The administrative and managerial staff of CIAM began to swell like a weed. In it appeared new, previously unknown departments and sectors. Lawyers suddenly became as many as seven. More than any other legal advice. There were three (!) Planning department. Grew up a grand and incomprehensible what is making the purchasing department. Immensely inflated construction and repair departments, reaching a number of several dozen people. And this is despite the fact that third-party organizations are also hiring for any such works. The army of cleaners, janitors and workers in the territory grew by an order of magnitude and more. We decided to make redecoration in the office of the general director. Quite a natural desire - the last time the apartment was overhauled was repaired very “long ago”, three years ago, for the previous director. New cosmetics has poured into 8 million rubles.
Sources "an" suggest that the amount is inconclusive. A fantastic division appeared, deliberately planning scientific work. Negotiate any little thing has weeks. There is no "paper" for which it is necessary to collect less than six or seven signatures of approval. Nothing is operatively solved. It is necessary to collect a month for a travel visa certificate.

The deputies of the new CEO, Mikhail Gordin, are 13 people. And all - with three-digit (in thousands) wages, which the ordinary learned people never dreamed of. Assistants become seven. And as much at the chief engineer. Well, a lot more. And all this is done with a significant mina of maintaining mode and secrecy. To no-one-nothing. At one time, even an order was issued. Then they fucked up. Do you recognize the tracing paper from the Mammoth Predators? You can explain this number of deputies with the general director: Gordin is a man infinitely far from aviation engine building, without advisers anywhere. Therefore, among the strange figures in the assembly of deputies there are also real scientists.
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  1. +15
    18 March 2017 04: 54
    it feels like we have ten of such "proud" in each industry, but the "king" doesn’t even see ...
    1. +11
      18 March 2017 05: 27
      Interestingly, the editorial board of Arguments of the Week checked the facts in an article by V. Sokolovsky before publishing it? Here is just a rare case when you must be punished. Or defendants in an article, or an author for a lie
      1. +5
        18 March 2017 06: 13
        Quote: Rich
        Interestingly, the editorial board of Arguments of the Week checked the facts in an article by V. Sokolovsky before publishing it? Here is just a rare case when you must be punished. Or defendants in an article, or an author for a lie


        Yes, you must also hear the second side. Least.
        1. +2
          18 March 2017 12: 40
          Quote: Olgovich
          Yes, you must also hear the second side. Least.

          ... start with the fact that the article was written according to the stories and data of the Tsiamovites, who support the Case and the Fatherland.
          And here - "Creation of SIC" Institute named after N.E. Zhukovsky "- is it progress, or the last nail in the coffin of Russian aircraft industry?"
          https://topwar.ru/37028-sozdanie-nic-institut-ime
          ni-nezhukovskogo-eto-progress-ili-posledniy-gvozd
          -v-grob-russkogo-aviastroeniya.html
          foreword of the current situation ...
          1. 0
            19 March 2017 07: 31
            I do not know...
            Skibin was the first thief in TsIAM. And his resignation stopped the leakage of budget streams into his pocket and his two associates.
            Drummer sorry that they did not put. This c ... and tyril always more than half of the funds from each purchase. I almost destroyed the case. There could be big sacrifices.
            But about Babkin do not pour mud. Sorry man. He was appointed, and the money was hung in the form of a carrot. First, they’ll give you a type in the new year, then you don’t make an application for budgeting and we’ll give it in the next. And then the type will be SIC and therefore you will receive money from there. And how to raise without money? He did what he could.
      2. +3
        18 March 2017 09: 56
        I agree, the author claims that the work on hypersound is poher, but what about Zircon? Many authors with foam at the mouth five years ago proved that Caliber missiles do not fly further than 500km. I would be skeptical of all this material, for that they are closed institutes so that you and I, and the adversary, knew less about their developments. I am sure the work is underway and the genius of Russian engineering will once again surprise us all.
        1. +2
          18 March 2017 11: 13
          You are right that sooner or later many technical issues will be resolved. However, now it is safe to say that while the direction of research is moving in a non-logical direction. The same problems of burning fuels at hyper speeds are solved in a radically different way than is done now. There are a whole complex of such key problem issues and they must be solved in the same complex and interconnected manner, and not by “pulling a holey blanket” ..
    2. +1
      18 March 2017 11: 05
      Truth spoken by Mystery12345. Currently recognized only academics.
    3. +1
      18 March 2017 11: 24
      Quote: Mystery12345
      we have ten such "proud" in each industry, but the "king" does not even see it.


      The eternal fourth Russian sorrow (fools, roads, steal ...). Yes
    4. 0
      20 March 2017 12: 40
      Look at any office here, everywhere. What is in the defense, what is in the civilian research and production sector. Everyone wants to eat)
  2. +1
    18 March 2017 05: 01
    FSB? ahahha)))
    1. +3
      18 March 2017 11: 06
      Quote: Alexander S.
      FSB? ahahha)))

      This is first ahahha, and then, ohohho, as a rule Yes Why is the coffee mug from the table, to the right of the keyboard, not removed and the bunk not filled? And don’t have to so loudly click on the keys, otherwise it’s a microphone in the microphonewinked
      1. Net
        0
        19 March 2017 08: 15
        No, the clapping of the keyboard makes it difficult to listen to the noise of engines at the Gelenvagen races)
  3. +4
    18 March 2017 05: 29
    Today, hypersonic work is probably suspended - they say underfunding is affecting.
    Here is the news!
    I didn’t know, but we are discussing articles about our fastest missiles, with beautiful pictures from the near future. And here it is.
    Dissuade me, because everything is exactly stated and it seems to a person for a power is insulting, which means truth.
    1. +3
      18 March 2017 11: 08
      , because everything is exactly stated and it seems insulting to a person for a power, which means truth.-to be true this is enough ??? well-well ....
    2. +1
      18 March 2017 18: 24
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      ... all exactly stated and like a man for the power is a shame, and mean true...

      - you can’t say better good
      “Are you really so ... um, naive, or is it such a banter?” I don’t understand in any way what
      1. 0
        18 March 2017 20: 59
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Dissuade me, because everything is exactly stated and it seems insulting to a person for a power, which means truth.
        1. +1
          19 March 2017 07: 36
          The article is half true.
          But the fact that the new appointees are trying to pamper themselves loved ones is true.
          And the fact that Skibin cared primarily for the cause is a lie. I'm a little sorry for him. He is very ill. Incurable.
          1. 0
            19 March 2017 10: 27
            Quote: B-15
            I'm a little sorry for him. He is very ill. Incurable.



            01.04.2016g.
            On April 1, a civil requiem took place in connection with the death of Skibin Vladimir Alekseevich, which was visited by the Head of the city, Evgeny Seryogin. Vladimir Alekseevich Skibin from 1964 year worked at TsIAM them. Baranova. From 1984 to 1998 he was the head of the research and testing center, from 1998 to 2011, he was the director general of the institute and the chairman of the dissertation council. Doctor of technical sciences, professor. Winner of the Prize of the Government of the Russian Federation, Honored Engineer of the Russian Federation and Czechoslovakia. He was awarded the Order of Honor, medals.
  4. +5
    18 March 2017 05: 34
    it’s very sad to realize that EVERYTHING is sold and bought from us ... capitalism with a wild face. nevertheless, such critical industries should be in control and with state administration.
    1. +5
      18 March 2017 08: 59
      It’s sad not because everything is sold and bought, but for impunity it’s utter, if the eggs pulled out there would be no lawlessness. I believe the article, I myself observe something similar
  5. +11
    18 March 2017 06: 15
    Is this liberal ideas (read: selling Russia wholesale and retail) that lives and wins? And where is our formidable Guarantor, and why has so far no one been sent to "logging", or "we have not 37," extends only to those especially betraying the interests of the motherland? And what for the common people as it was 37, it remained and continues: for stolen chicken for a real term, and for billions - conditionally? Wonderful are your deeds, Lord (though these deeds and the Lord seem to amaze no less than us)!
  6. +12
    18 March 2017 06: 31
    Well, in the USA, in high-tech industries, busy specialists of all levels are paid SALARY and a very decent salary, and everyone is interested in the final result. And in Russia, all the money is sawed by a bunch of ghouls that are set up by “masquerades” for the type of “leadership”, and they don’t understand anything at all in the production “led” by them, and those specialists who are engaged in research and development and in production themselves have miserable, miserable salaries at best case at the level of "street ice cream sellers" or "cleaners, dishwashers in a cafe" in the USA ..
    1. Fox
      +2
      18 March 2017 08: 56
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      And in Russia, all the money is being sawn by a bunch of ghouls that are put by "maskquats"

      so here in ZAMKADye, there is no life ...
    2. +3
      18 March 2017 11: 02
      The exact same situation was described in an article on the Voronezh plant where rocket engines are made.
    3. +2
      18 March 2017 13: 14
      Moreover . Scientists have remained on the outskirts of Russia who turn their heads in different directions and far from their homeland, the main argument for their choice is not their homeland. Moreover, countries in which individual creativity is not encouraged cannot form research institutes, where those unite their talents and efforts. Over the years, we have been working on our developments, and most importantly, the theoretical foundations of new and more efficient engines for aviation, where you can combine the propulsion and the engine itself and the generator. But all is useless. Like in a joke about a monkey, a man and a banana. And what can a person say and shake a tree, and the monkey is looking for a way and the most effective solution.
    4. +1
      19 March 2017 07: 48
      Evidence in the studio. And do not come back without them.
      I do not believe. At least by the fact that even now, Boeing and Airbuses go to bow to TsIAM. Not to mention the rest.
      Is it difficult to develop science at TsIAM? Highly. But she is developing. Developed by enthusiasts, altruists or word people. And this is most worrying for competitors.
      For example, the snekma gas generator for the superjet at TsIAM was rejected in the concept. The result is a few years behind the creation of the engine for the superjet. Isn't that a diversion?
      And the United States now has virtually no Engineers. Worked collected from the world on a string. In general, Boeing is trying by all means to lure our guys working in the Russian branch into the states. Working conditions even here are not comparable with our flight institutes.
      But not all go.
      Therefore, leave your advertisement for a beautiful life with you.
      Do not teach us how to live and we won’t tell you where to go.
      1. 0
        19 March 2017 10: 34
        Quote: B-15
        At least by the fact that even now, Boeing and Airbuses go to bow to TsIAM.

        Facts to the studio!

        About PS-90P and other similar projects - no need ...
        1. 0
          19 March 2017 21: 46
          These companies, and not only, are verifying their projects for achievable results at TsIAM.
          Of course, they do all the calculations and developments themselves. I do not argue. But they check the correctness of their models from our scientists.
  7. +4
    18 March 2017 09: 07
    I simply have no words, and there is no limit to indignation. If it's all true, it’s very similar to her
    1. 0
      19 March 2017 07: 49
      Partially. And this is the worst kind of lie.
  8. +6
    18 March 2017 10: 48
    I know firsthand how the same UVZ is managed by “effective” managers, this is where to look, not Ukraine. Brain sucked us on TV, only about her "darling" and they say.
    1. +1
      18 March 2017 11: 15
      I don’t know these managers, but the plant is in the black, it designs and sells wagons, it is littered and sells with orders for tanks ahead of schedule, it makes new developments quite successfully. What is the weak efficiency of enterprise managers?
      1. 0
        18 March 2017 16: 40
        Well, then UVZ is not one enterprise, but dozens, and if everything is demonstrably good there, then this does not mean that everything is fine everywhere, the very ChTZ is taken apart in parts. And their orders, again, are not always their merit, a huge layer is government orders from taxes.
  9. +1
    18 March 2017 11: 12
    The article is similar to a showdown for power in a single production and, possibly, for financial flows in the ministry. This one is bad .. and this one is good. Why do we need to know this? God is God, and Caesar's is Caesarean section.
    1. +8
      18 March 2017 11: 49
      Quote: Berkut24
      This one is bad .. and this one is good

      I googled a bit. At STN, they decided to re-open the installation for welding in a vacuum. So found only two specialists who know how to handle it. (Both for 70-yat) And more. it is believed that NK 93 will not be able to bring to mind. This had to be done when the General Designer of SNTK Gritsenko was alive, and other grandfathers from Kuznetsov. Is it time to peal the bells? The frames then disappear. There, my neighbor-designer earned a disability and drank too much.
      1. +2
        18 March 2017 14: 51
        All over the world, many projects cannot bring to mind. And this is not a disaster. For the path chosen is not always the right or the most optimal one. And in the USSR they worked at a table. In many companies, design is now being transferred to engineering firms that solve problems in some bottlenecks. they pay normally, management is quite maneuverable to organize the process. engineers are recruited around the world, they solve the problem in their narrow specialization, get paid and go to another project. Just the current ala-Soviet system is gradually becoming obsolete. Soft-small have programmers around the world, in the United States only the top. and everything works. New technologies imply a new approach to the organization of development.
        As for welding in a vacuum ... Boeing and Airbus hemorrhoids with titanium parts. Then they created a joint venture in Russia and the question was closed. Why are you so focused on the old installation on STNK? There are many entrepreneurs who can invest their money in a specific operation. Buy equipment, train people and start the process. The question is a firm contract and payment on time. In Vnukovo, a friend of mine bought 2 CNC machines and, from the strength of 2 workers, titled parts for a aviation plant from titanium.
        1. +2
          18 March 2017 16: 47
          You can beat yourself in the chest as much as you like and say that everything is the best with us, but at any enterprise everything is more complicated than a sledgehammer, usually foreign, and from there the latest developments do not come to us, but as a rule things 10 years ago. At our enterprises, this is considered innovative equipment.
          1. +2
            18 March 2017 18: 11
            Yes, that’s how it will be until they change the very system of enterprise management. In addition, nobody even supplied new equipment to us in Soviet times. That did not stop at the state level to develop machine tools and to cooperate with other states to develop equipment. If you now look for specialists in steam locomotives, then there will be as many of them as you say were found on the vacuum welding unit. And at the same age. But is it necessary to revive a steam locomotive? Otherwise, is it necessary to count on vacuum welding equipment of the 19th hairy year? Or is it more profitable to order from an engineering company the development of new equipment that is not inferior to the old at least, so that they can then train people and sell new sets several times to other consumers?
            In Zlatoust, about 20 years ago, I saw equipment from the tsarist era at a metal factory. And there, too, the leadership sighed that no one wants and does not really know how to work on this junk. With this approach, there is no hope for the development of production.
            1. +2
              18 March 2017 21: 30
              Quote: Berkut24
              In Zlatoust, about 20 years ago, I saw equipment from the tsarist era at a metal factory. And there, too, the leadership sighed that no one wants and does not really know how to work on this junk. With this approach, there is no hope for the development of production.

              So I’m practically talking about this and say that nobody wants to update. They wait until it falls, And by the way, where were those workers from Zlatoust 20 years ago? The company could not organize training? So let the leadership itself for the royal machines and get up. And then grind your tongue, do not wave a sledgehammer.
              1. 0
                18 March 2017 22: 23
                There are things that are completely pointless.
                All enterprises were built either under the tsar or under the Bolsheviks. But the situation is constantly changing. Infrastructure is changing, state priorities are changing, technologies are changing, and the financial component is changing. Magnitogorsk plant was built near the field. Then it made sense. Now the deposit has been exhausted (and for a long time). Raw materials are transported from Kazakhstan. The financial indicators are now such that the development of the plant in the future is not at all obvious. therefore, they refine on what is, sometimes the equipment is updated. But strategically this particular project is doomed. In the USSR, in general, many projects were built on the basis of some of their concepts about industry. Now most of the enterprises have become private and new owners have begun to consider profitability, which, in general, is characteristic of a normal economy. Therefore, many enterprises are doomed. after corporatization, the new owners try to capitalize on what they bought. But investing in the fact that it will no longer become competitive makes no sense.
                Now the situation is much different. You do not need as many design bureaus with Kuhlmanns, because design technologies have changed a long time ago. You don’t need so much metallurgy, because the production of alternative materials has greatly advanced. Such large machine-building enterprises are not needed, for cooperation is developing. The market is rapidly changing, the consumer has become more mobile and informed. Product development and production is also becoming more mobile. And we still have a clumsy Sovdep system of governance.
                I agree that the state should have a significant presence in strategic sectors, because the unprofitability of individual industries does not mean that they should not be in principle. But this does not mean that the state should not optimize its economy on a daily basis.
                As for the director’s specialty. In the USSR, production technologists became directors. They drove a plan coming down from above. And in Western countries, accountants became mainly directors, because their task was to make business profitable. The West won the economic war primarily for this reason.
                The specialty of the director of an enterprise’s profile often plays a negative role. I myself have been the director for 16 years in various organizations. and I can say that the look is simply blurred and you no longer feel the weaknesses of the business. And the person from the outside begins to approach creatively. As for technology, there are specially trained people hired to perform a specific role.
                Sechin is never an oilman. However, we give him his due - many would like to work at Rosneft. It is important that the director is a competent manager, able to assemble and balance the team and no less competent financier. And business is such a thing - today it is profitable to produce one thing, tomorrow another thing, the day after tomorrow an unexpected niche may appear in general. Remember how at the beginning of the 20th century carriage masters began to rivet car bodies, and the stables went around the world.
                1. +2
                  18 March 2017 22: 48
                  If you studied the housekeeper in the USSR, you should remember that some part of the profit should go to equipment upgrades .. As they teach now, I do not know.
                  Quote: Berkut24
                  And business is such a thing - today it’s profitable to produce one thing, tomorrow another thing,

                  What about long-term projects? Those that will only be profitable in twenty years? Are they needed, or what? The same cosmos.
                  1. +1
                    18 March 2017 23: 28
                    1) It makes no sense to seriously invest in an enterprise that in the future will chronically lose the competition for unavoidable reasons - for example, logistics, 70% depreciation of equipment and real estate, impossibility, chronic rise in price of raw materials, futility of a occupied market niche, etc. There are most of these in our country. But new enterprises built from scratch, using new technologies, in the right place and at the right time will give the old enterprises a hundred handicap points. Compare Volkswagen in Kaluga and the long-suffering AUTOTAZ.
                    2) ... The same cosmos can be profitable now. For example, in the form of the same GLONASS. But some projects are not only too long-term, but also meaningless in essence. Looking at the same Roskosmos, for example, I finally got lost in their wishes. In our country, different enterprises are simultaneously solving the same problem in opposition to their neighbor. And they are all state-owned. So, for example, at least 3 offices at the same time design light launch vehicles - Soyuz, Angara and the lightened Proton. FUCK ??? Where to get profitability if 3 times more money is spent on the same task and launchers, respectively, will also be built 3 times more? What to do with the upgraded Protons and the already actually made heavy heavy Hangar? These are missiles of the same class and both will be exploited. And at this time, some crook Musk for five money less doing a similar project.
                    This is a Soviet approach - just give money for development. But where is the exact calculation - for what, for how long, for what specific money? Nobody denies venture projects, but existing approaches can only lead to cuts, delays, and dubious results.
                    1. +2
                      19 March 2017 00: 39
                      Quote: Berkut24
                      And at this time, some crook Musk for five money less doing a similar project.

                      He wants to launch thousands of satellites. What if he succeeds? We will bite our elbows.
                      1. 0
                        19 March 2017 11: 25
                        Satellites are a completely different topic. I am comparing the comparable so far. Light rocket launchers and space business management efficiency by their example.
      2. 0
        18 March 2017 23: 32
        This is exactly what is happening. A person is generally not able to express himself in the fullness of his inner content. Therefore, time washes people with deep inner abilities and knowledge. Hence the problem of young scientists lies in the fact that they are moving away from the primary sources against the background of a huge stream of secondary information.
  10. +2
    18 March 2017 12: 25
    Here often in the Internet-media articles of this orientation are found ... And so I want to pick up a machine gun and shoot, shoot ...
    Only - in whom?
    If this and other articles (in different directions) are true, then we can assume that we have already been conquered ...
    But if we have already been conquered, then what pretzel are we afraid of?
    So with such information you need to handle very carefully ....
    Although such a mess in Russia-grabs above his head ... From which sometimes it becomes sickening ...
    PS And we still call Ukraine the country of the absurd ... But what is not our absurdity?
    Ukraine should officially give us 3 lard candy wrappers that are not going to give ...
    Unofficially, our banks and entrepreneurial investors poured into the Ukrainian economy over 100 lard ... But this is embarrassingly silent ...
    And people with dual citizenship in the leadership of large enterprises - also missing ...
    What, the Russian land has already become impoverished with its own talents of all stripes? Did everyone run away?
    Nooo, just true Russian patriots are not allowed to manage projects that can raise Russia ... And the Vikings with these developments will help raise the United States and other riffraff ...
    Actually ... It would be better if I did not read this article and - especially - did not write a comment on it ... Ugh !!!
    1. +4
      18 March 2017 14: 04
      It's right. At one time, the Ukrainian junta was recognized as the legitimate government, so as not to lose 3 data lards. Yatsiku was greedy and lost the opportunity to consider the junta as not a legitimate government - having untied his hands he would do whatever he wanted because the legally elected president had fled to us. It was a sin not to use such a gift — however, they didn’t use it ... I don’t know because of the greed of 3 lards or the “sworn” partners frightened something, but now ... I know, many “elbows bite” for missed opportunities .. .
    2. +5
      18 March 2017 14: 40
      Quote: weksha50
      Is the Russian land already impoverished with its own talents of all stripes? Did everyone run away?

      Not. Devastation in education. 20 years of economists and lawyers have produced. However, you see, you have two higher ones, if I am not mistaken. And they are afraid, I think, because of the potential, and of such specialists as you. Well, how do you get on your train? It is necessary, after all, for someone to protect our oligarchs? However, do not take it seriously, just a filthy mood.
      1. +3
        18 March 2017 17: 27
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        However, do not take it seriously, just a filthy mood.



        Duc ... From such information - where does a good mood come from?
        1. +2
          18 March 2017 21: 13
          George, the whole secret is that people work for us not because of, but in spite of.
          Many specialists have patriotism in the first place, and everything else, including salary, in the second. This is what the country stands for.
          I know what I'm talking about. When I worked at NIITP them. M.V. Keldsha, the institute’s expert commission (its chairman is the director of the institute, academician A. Koroteev) declassified a lot of materials on the energy of space special weapons and sold it all to the Americans for their grants. Everything is legal, but, really, I want to take the machine into my hands.
          We, experts, then, as in shit, bathed. And the chief economist of the Institute A. Kolesov began to go to work on the Dodge of the latest model.
  11. +3
    18 March 2017 13: 14
    That’s why they published an article on VO in order to find out the opinion of the people. Well, then, naturally, send it to the trash.
  12. +2
    18 March 2017 15: 11
    Quote: weksha50
    PS And we still call Ukraine the country of the absurd ... But what is not our absurdity?

    And what is the situation in Ukraine for? Show how bad it is there. And they are shown how bad it is in Russia and robbed here and there.
    1. +2
      18 March 2017 16: 42
      Absolutely accurate sketch)
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    18 March 2017 22: 10
    Yes, “This song will be sad ...” as Gradsky sang in the middle of the 70 in the film “Romance of Lovers”. What can I say about those I know: Dutov and Boginsky are absolute clones of Marshal Taburetkin, Volodya Babkin is a competent scientist, I’m only afraid that a long stay in ministerial areas could spoil him.

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