“Adam” project - “Man Very High”? Mission Impossible…

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[Bastinda]

And where are the bast shoes?
Mindflow?

[Teberii]

Catch up and overtake is a term spied on by them.

[antivirus]

catch up and ...
". Having thus established the precedent of" open space "(the prevalence of outer space over state borders)."
For this reason, Eurasia + China makes the United States angry? —Do they close almost all of the land (geostatsinar orbits)?

[opus]

Quote: Bastinda

And where are the bast shoes?
Mindflow?

Kashchenko has been crying for the author for a long time, what did you not feel?
I live:
1. Why didn't you ask the question: "What does this have to do with (Left to right): Scott Carpenter, Gordon Cooper, John Glenn, Gus Grissom, Walter Schirra, Alan Shepard,.."?

2. They wanted to be the first, we overtook, we wanted to be the first (Gaagrin in particular), they overtook, Gagarin died.
The bast shoe episode was

When fly to the moon, - Gagarin jokingly told the old forest man, - take them with you. Reliable shoes, you will see for yourself!

Quote: Bastinda

But links to the monograph on boots, in the list of used literature is not! I checked.

1. This is a chatter. You did not check anything.
2. The editor, the corrector for some reason "rework" my links and primary sources.
I have active hyperlinks in the original:

poked with a mouse and flew over.
Therefore, not to me

Quote: Bastinda

Why spoil a good article "boots"

chatting in your mouth with your tongue (in this case, tapping your fingers on the keyboard) - don’t turn over the bags (I rephrased so that you wouldn’t get on the ban, but you will understand).
So, take it, strain your brain muscles and write an article (or many) AS SHOULD BE.
I think they will appreciate it.
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After the flight of the Americans to the moon, Brezhnev
summoning Soviet cosmonauts to him and orders them to fly to
The sun. On the order of the Secretary General, the astronauts say: - we’ll burn Leonid Ilyich
impossible. But Brezhnev categorically: - What do you think in the Politburo
fools sit, fly at night ...
So this joke I told my friend (A) at that time it was 20
years old, he laughed heartily and said, “Here is Brezhnev, the cosmonauts are
at night they will not find the sun ...
After about a year and a half, a joke with Brezhnev and my friend (A) I
told another friend of his (B) his age at that time 23 year.
After listening to the story, he also laughed and concludes, Well, fools are Brezhnev
and your friend A, if the astronauts fly out at night, then until they reach
morning will be ...

Here you are in the context of conformal mapping, in the story described by me above, who you position yourself: Brezhnev, friend A or friend B ?????????

[ohtandur]

Anton, do you believe that the Americans were on the moon?

[EvgNik]

Thanks Anton, great article. As always.
People without a sense of humor get in, these are their problems.

[Bastinda]

But links to the monograph on boots, in the list of used literature is not! I checked.
The same as yesterday. Why spoil a good article with “boots” and yesterday with “destroyers”?

[Amurets]

Chasing two hares, and even "working under cover", let both of them go.

As always, the Russian saying is right.
And about the article? Interesting. I remembered my childhood and the first artificial satellites of the earth. And how they looked for these fast-flying stars in the sky. Thank you, Anton. A great article, especially since the 60th anniversary of the launch of the first artificial satellite is just around the corner.

[Octopus]

Thank. Informatively.

[Old26]

Thank you Anton! The race was certainly serious. The prize is "first." The Americans, on the other hand, have lost because of what you wrote. "Scattered." Performing a whole bunch of "routines" on the "Mercury" they IMHO have lost pace. The result - a month behind us. And the first was Yuri Alekseevich

[Octopus]

Quote: Old26

The result - a month behind us.

Almost a year, February 62nd, Glenn, orbital flight on a converted ICBM. Shepard is not quite what you need. Not even that. A suborbital flight on an economy-ersatz, if only to be lit up in newspapers. Now Blue Origin is doing the same, New Shepard, yes.
But on a redstone it is impossible to launch a man into orbit, in principle, he is small.

[Kostya Andreev]

I look at Gagarin, and I understand that they knew who to choose. Photogenic man, especially a smile.

[opus]

Quote: Kostya Andreev

. Photogenic man, especially a smile.

Have you watched the report on Finnish television (it’s in the article)?
I’m personally, very impressed: what a simple, not arrogant, calm guy.
Friendly and peaceful.
He directly blows warmth to him (as from the spring sun).
But he is a world celebrity.

[A1845]

Quote: opus

I’m personally, very impressed: what a simple, not arrogant, calm guy.

in the characteristic it was said about unlimited composure
unique was a man

[Old26]

Quote: Octopus

Quote: Old26

The result - a month behind us.

Almost a year, February 62nd, Glenn, orbital flight on a converted ICBM. Shepard is not quite what you need. Not even that. A suborbital flight on an economy-ersatz, if only to be lit up in newspapers. Now Blue Origin is doing the same, New Shepard, yes.
But on a redstone it is impossible to launch a man into orbit, in principle, he is small.

If in orbital, then really for almost a year. But the "crowd" such details are sometimes of little significance. After all, it was not Glenn who made the first orbital flight, namely Shepard, who was “lit up” as the first American astronaut for the United States, although the flight was 15-minute and suborbital. In the same way, if something had happened and Gagarin didn’t fly on April 12, but in early May Shepard - it was him who the whole world would know as the first person to go up into space.
If you didn’t create your "seven" in Korolev in 1957, we would have to fly according to the P-5 ligament variant and the flight would be "suborbital"
The current work under the New Shepard and others programs is more likely a segment of space tourism, when for an incomparably smaller amount the "individual" wants to become a "cosmonaut"

[Octopus]

Quote: Old26

not flights on April 12 Gagarin, but in early May Shepard - it was him who the whole world would know as the first man to ascend into space.

Here you are right. Oh, what, and in advertising, the Americans would have done any.

Quote: Old26

If you didn’t create your “seven” in Korolev in 1957, we would have to fly according to the variant of the P-5 ligament

I think if you didn’t create the Korolev seven, there wouldn’t be a space race at all. The Americans would have launched their squeaker with a 58-ton rocket without extra pathos in the 59th or 10th, and would have fumbled with Crown for another five years. Kennedy’s speech at Rice University couldn’t be at this course of events.

It seems to me that it was played by the fact that they were once again blown up by the next orcs.

And the seven, just the epic fakap. Korolev didn’t order it, but R-16, approximately. Not even close is what he did.

[opus]

Quote: Octopus

And the seven, just the epic fakap. Korolev didn’t order it, but R-16, approximately.

no no .
P-16 is completely different!
Yangel had been working on it since 1959, and S.P. did not like (and did not know how) to work with toxic high-boiling substances.

Korolev had this:

Before the development of the preliminary design of the 8K71 (R-7) missile began in 1953, the following research and development works were carried out: the first research and development work - N1, the second research and development work - T2, and the third research and development work - T1. Research and development works N1951 and T1953 were started in 2 and completed in 1953. And research and development work T1955 continued from XNUMX to XNUMX.The T2 IR was associated with an attempt to develop an ECR (experimental cruise missile), which also could provide an intercontinental range. The creation of the Seven would have been much more difficult and longer if there had been no R&D. So, we had to make a rocket, which was supposed to bring on a ballistic trajectory a payload of the order of 6 tons at the intercontinental range. Outline design began in the fall of 1953. And by the spring of 1954, work on creating the project was in full swing, precisely at the moment when I finally gave up and agreed to the position of deputy. Head of the test department.
So, by August 1954, the conceptual design of the Seven was completed

/ OSTASHEV ARKADY ILYICH

[Octopus]

Quote: opus

P-16 is completely different!

What are we talking about. This is a normal ICBM. And the seven is such an ICBM that even the peace-loving Soviet people, ready to give up their last shirt, if only to finish up the nuclear bourgeois, could afford no more than 3, it seems, pieces on alert duty.

But here is how the launch vehicle was completely successful. RN can be prepared for two weeks to start, unlike. And the draft was not a match for any Redstone, and the decisions were all conservative, including the start of all engines on the ground. No Atlas inflatable tanks, no other extreme.

[opus]

Quote: Octopus

And the seven is such an ICBM that even the peace-loving Soviet people, ready to give up their last shirt, if only to finish up the nuclear bourgeois, could afford no more than 3

six PU (there are many more rockets under 40 pieces)


Only launches were 23


The rocket is relatively cheap (that's what we fly on). Pre-launch preparation for combat work is a pain in the ass.
+ we did not have the required number of charges.

Pencil without nuclear warhead - not needed
explored the possibility of its placement in protected launchers. Then, a preliminary study of the underground starting position (mine version) and the underground starting position (retractable mountain version) was carried out. However, due to the bulkiness of these structures and structures, as well as the prerequisites for the creation of ICBMs of smaller mass-dimensional characteristics

[Octopus]

I wrote

Quote: Octopus

no more than 3, it seems, pieces on combat duty.

Launchers 6, but was there at least one case where everyone stood on a rocket in a two-hour, for example, readiness? SM-65, let me remind you, there have been more than a hundred on combat duty since the 62nd year.

Quote: opus

Prelaunch training for combat work - hemorrhoids.

Quote: opus

However, due to the bulkiness of these structures and structures

I say this. The space launch vehicle and ICBMs have different requirements and limitations. How the pH seven still works. Like an ICBM, sticky horror.

[Operator]

There is no need to pull an owl on a globe - Americans in front of the whole world messed with Shepard and had the courage to admit it.

All American monographs about space necessarily stipulate the surrogate nature of Shepard’s flight, and Glen’s orbital flight is also mandatory in conjunction with it.

Thanks to our Nikita Sergeyevich, who fully paid his visas to Dwight Eisenhour in the intellectual confrontation between the heads of state.

[Octopus]

Quote: Operator

and also without fail in conjunction with it is mentioned the orbital flight of Glen.

More importantly, Gagarin’s flight is mentioned.

On April 12, 1961, Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first person in space, and the first to orbit the Earth. [66] It was another body blow to American pride. [63] When Shepard heard the news he slammed his first down on a table so hard a NASA public relation officer feared he might have broken it. [67]
On May 5, 1961, Shepard piloted the Mercury-Redstone 3 mission and became the second person, and the first American, to travel into space

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Shepard

Quote: Operator

had the courage to admit it.

Well, what is already there. But Stary26 is right - if the partners had done it a month earlier, Hollywood and the press would have done the rest.

Quote: Operator

Nikita Sergeevich, who fully paid his visas to Dwight Eisenhour in the intellectual confrontation between the heads of state

You do not often find the words “intellectual” and “Nikita Sergeevich” in one sentence. I'm afraid his personal intellectual contribution was not particularly great.

[Operator]

Contribution compared to the American counterpart.

[yehat]

and in vain you are so, an intriguer, he was still that

[Octopus]

Quote: Old26

I would have to fly according to the variant of the R-5 ligament

By the way, I didn’t understand this piece. For some reason, I thought that the first "package" was the Heavy 4 Delta, 2004. To carry this 40 years to the left is somehow strange. In those years, there were only schemes with accelerators (simpler) or multi-stage (more complicated). R-5 somehow doesn’t fit here.

[Old26]

Quote: Octopus

By the way, I didn’t understand this piece. For some reason, I thought that the first "package" was the Heavy 4 Delta, 2004. To carry this 40 years to the left is somehow strange. In those years, there were only schemes with accelerators (simpler) or multi-stage (more complicated). R-5 somehow doesn’t fit here.

I don’t remember where, either Chertok’s or someone else’s mention of the considered version of the suborbital flight on the “P-5 bundle”. Most likely, the successful promotion of work on the topic R-7 led to the fact that the option of a bunch has ceased to be considered. But if it hadn’t gone, then HZ. I'm afraid to be misleading, but it seems to me that this option (P-5 ligaments) was developed by Tikhonravov

In principle, there was at one time a number of publications (in German), which featured our development of the BP-180 type rockets with a capsule for astronauts. Moreover, one option is classic, with a parachute system, the second is generally fantastic - with blades and landing with the help of blades in a mode similar to autorotation of a helicopter. This project, of course, was “too abstruse”, and the BP-190 variant was quite realistic.

[Octopus]

Quote: Old26

there is a mention of the considered option

Thank you

[Old26]

Quote: Octopus

Quote: Old26

I would have to fly according to the variant of the R-5 ligament

By the way, I didn’t understand this piece. For some reason, I thought that the first "package" was the Heavy 4 Delta, 2004. To carry this 40 years to the left is somehow strange. In those years, there were only schemes with accelerators (simpler) or multi-stage (more complicated). R-5 somehow doesn’t fit here.

Colleague. In order to speak the same language, it is still worthwhile to bring the terminology to a common denominator. I honestly don’t even imagine what was planned to be done when it came to the “bunch” of R-5 missiles. Perhaps it would be a bunch of 3 R-5 rockets, and above it a step with the astronaut.

As for the package. What do you mean by this E Location of the lateral sides or options for replacing one block with another? If the first option, then there were a sufficient number of such missiles created by the batch scheme. Especially with them. With us, this is only the Seven and Proton. They have a sufficient number of missiles and the type of "Thor", and "Delta", and "Titan", and "Atlas".
But if we consider the possibility of replacing the number of side blocks as a packet scheme, then the Americans had the first "test of the pen" on the Delta-M1971 rocket, which differed from the Delta-M rocket in the number of side blocks. This began to be used seriously already in the years 6-72 on their Delta missiles with a four-digit digital index ... Where the second figure indicated the number of side blocks. Well, "Delta-74" in various versions is the development of previous models, as well as the Atlas-4 with BB options

[Octopus]

Quote: Old26

it would be a bunch of 3 R-5 rockets, and above it a step with the astronaut.

This is similar to what I call the “package” - Hangar A3-A5, Falcon Heavy, Delta 4 Heavy. And also unfulfilled Atlas Heavy, etc. Fashionable in recent years, the scheme. The first stage of relatively equivalent modules.

Quote: Old26

The location of the lateral sides or options for replacing one block with another?

No. By "package" I meant exactly the option with full-fledged (one-dimensional) first stages, universal missile modules. I understood your words about the “R-5 bunch” in that way and, naturally, I was very surprised. I called the “Accelerator circuit” P-7 or Atlas, with the start of all the engines on the ground, the main and the starting ones, “multi-stage” - with the start of the second stage after the start: Jupiter, Titan (before the sidewalls appeared), Saturn, etc.

[Monster_Fat]

But now we are in ..., but we boast about having RD-180, and the Americans are already racing "Dragon", "returning" return stages, successfully "landing" capsules for space tourism, their Mars rovers are crawling all over Mars, and trans-planetary ships are shocking astronomers of all countries with their information about the satellites of Jupiter, Saturn, asteroids, comets, etc. But like we "were the first", yeah... but now, soon we will be the last...