Shadow over japan

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The Ministry of Defense of Japan reports: on the morning of February 8, Russian strategic missile carriers Tu-95MS were seen near Japanese airspace, accompanied by fighters and an A-50 early-warning aircraft. The Japanese F-15 and F-4 “Phantom” fighters were raised on alarm, and conducted a training interception of Russian aircraft. According to the official Tokyo, air violations did not occur. Nevertheless, the Japanese military are to some extent concerned about the appearance of Russian planes in the region, and even more so the DRLO plane, which for the first time approached such a small distance to the island nation.



The official representative of the Russian Air Force, Colonel V. Drik, confirmed the fact of flying around the islands of Hokkaido and Honshu. He also acknowledged that the Russian aircraft did not enter the airspace of Japan, but made their flight exclusively over neutral waters. In a statement, the press service of the Air Force indicated the exact composition of the group of domestic air force planes that participated in the flights. These were two strategic missile-carriers Tu-95MS, which departed from the Ukrainka air base in the Far East, two reconnaissance aircraft Su-24 and AEW aircraft A-50. Also in some parts of the flight, the group was accompanied by Su-27 fighters. The 16 hourly patrol of the water area was carried out thanks to refueling in flight: the Il-78 tanker provided fuel for the departure participants. According to Drik, the main purpose of the flight was to work out the interaction of airplanes of different classes, as well as to train actions on non-oriented terrain, which is the marine and oceanic waters.

These are all official words and statements. As it turned out, they are far from the most interesting things associated with the flight of a group of Russian aircraft. Separately, it should be said about the reaction of some Japanese citizens and organizations. The fact is that February 7 in Japan celebrates the so-called. Day of the Northern Territories (as the Southern Kuril Islands is called in the Land of the Rising Sun). Traditionally, this holiday activates various right-wing organizations, very often allowing themselves, at a minimum, scandalous antics. For example, last year, these characters had the audacity to make a picket near the Russian embassy in Tokyo, which desecrated the Russian flag. In response to an official protest, Japan refused to conduct an investigation and take appropriate action. Probably, not recovering from the patriotic frenzy of 7, the same ultra-right subjects of the eighth and ninth began to react very painfully to the teachings of the Russian Air Force. There were several demonstrations under the slogans frankly boorish nature. Official Tokyo behaves more decently, but still asks Russia to continue not to make such overflights of the Japanese archipelago. However, due to the peculiarities of international law, the rejection of such exercises is solely the right of our Air Force: as long as Japan’s airspace is not violated, you can fly as much as you like in neutral waters.

According to Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich, Russia warned Japan at the end of January about the flight of strategic bombers of the Russian Federation in the Far East, Interfax reports. “We told this directly and frankly to our Japanese colleagues during the negotiations in Tokyo,” he said.


Probably the main cause of concern for the Japanese is the fact that from anywhere on the Tu-95MS route it was theoretically possible to launch rockets. In this case, all the Japanese islands would be in the zone of action of the latter. Of course, Russia is not going to fight with Japan now or in the future, but the fact of flights of potentially dangerous missile carriers in the area from which you can only fire missiles, not direct fire, is in itself a serious signal to the Japanese Self-Defense Forces. Admittedly, the Japanese pilots responded in time to the appearance of the missile carriers: about ten fighters were raised in alarm (in some sources the figure in 13 and even 15 of the sides is called). In this case, the implementation of training interception is not something out of the ordinary. Such actions are de facto the standard for the Air Force of the whole world — as soon as foreign aircraft appear near their own airspace, their fighters rise into the air. On this occasion, there is even a joke: “against the background of the Tu-95, all the post-war fighters of the NATO countries were photographed.” And in this joke, as they say, only a fraction of the joke.

Only a training interception is only partly useful, because it mainly contributes to the maintenance of the working form of personnel responsible for the protection of air borders. However, in fact, the Tu-95S rocket carriers to conduct an attack need not even approach the airspace of the enemy: the range of launching X-55 rockets of different versions exceeds two and a half thousand kilometers. With such a range and speed of a missile flight over 900 km / h, it is only possible to intercept the missile carrier effectively at the turn of the launch. And this requires constant patrol of dangerous areas.

No matter how many planes participate in training flights, no matter how many fighters take off to intercept and no matter how the parties react to each other’s actions, flights of the eighth will be forgotten sooner or later. Together with them, meetings, scandals and other troubles will be forgotten. However, the actions of our pilots, which can be interpreted as a hint of the return of Russia to the region, may provoke some actions from Japan. There was information that by the spring Tokyo and Washington would finally agree on the fate of the American base on the island of Okinawa. The official reason for the Japanese requirements to transfer the air base is its location: it is located in the center of Ginowan. According to local residents and officials, this poses a threat to the safety of local residents. From time to time, various unpleasant incidents take place, during which houses in the alignment of the runway are “under attack”. In October, flights of the F-15 fighters were discontinued for some time: an additional fuel tank dropped from one of them when flying over residential buildings. No one was hurt, but flights of this type of aircraft resumed only after three weeks already under the new program, which allows them to manage with their own vehicle tanks. The other day, one of the highways of the Kanagawa Prefecture was “bombarded” from an EA-6B Prowler aircraft. During the flight, large parts began to come off of it: the largest of the discovered ones has dimensions 120x180; see. Fortunately, this time there were no casualties or damage. Probably, Japan has more serious political grounds for transferring the airbase from Okinawa, but the danger to local residents is still cited as the official version. In turn, the United States does not want to leave the region. In addition, Washington calls the North Pacific a zone of its interests. Perhaps the Americans will go to great lengths, just to not lose such a convenient and useful base.

Among other things, a statement to accelerate negotiations may be a consequence of flights of the Russian air group. But as far as this is true, only senior officials of the USA and Japan can say. On the other hand, this version can be checked “experimentally” - with new flights in the area of ​​the Japanese archipelago. Let us hope that soon such teachings will be repeated again. And not only in the Far East, but also in the traditional areas of patrolling the far aviation: North Atlantic, Pacific Ocean, etc.
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  1. +54
    11 February 2012 08: 54
    Japan has not behaved beautifully in relation to Russia for a long time, so we don’t give a damn about them, we will fly where we think it is necessary, without violating the borders. We must let them understand a fait accompli long ago - we won’t give up the islands !, there will be provocations - we’ll answer!
    1. +43
      11 February 2012 09: 10
      Greetings, Denis! Honored Test Pilot M. Tolboyev says in your words ----- "Honored Test Pilot, Hero of Russia, retired Colonel Magomed Tolboyev:

      - I believe that there is nothing abnormal in such flights. Strategic aviation is called strategic aviation because it periodically flies over a variety of territories around the world. We fly in Antarctica and over the Pacific Ocean. What is the problem? I do not understand how we prevented Japan. It is high time for Russia to wake up and make as many such sorties as possible. It is necessary to fly near the air borders of America, and - near England.

      “SP”: - In your opinion, did this flyby have only practical meaning or is there some kind of political subtext here?

      - The main task is known only to the president. The departure of a strategic bomber is carried out only with the permission of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, which in Russia is the president. I think this is a regular, planned work on the development of technical problems. In addition to us, only Americans have strategic aviation. And they fly exactly the same way around the airspace of the states of the world on their B-52. The main thing is not to enter foreign zones, but the rest does not concern anyone, where and how we train.



      "SP": - Refueling strategic bombers in the air - is this a difficult operation?

      - Yes, it is quite difficult, especially over the sea, where there are no landmarks. It is necessary to find a gas station, carefully dock. This is a whole science. Recently, unfortunately, we have conducted very few such operations. A country like Russia needs to increase the number of flights of strategic bombers by a hundred times. And then our pilots will be able to improve their skills in practice. One theory cannot achieve this.

      “SP”: - Japanese media report that their fighters managed to photograph the A-50 radar reconnaissance aircraft. Does this mean that they managed to find out some of our military secrets?

      - Please, whoever interferes, let them take pictures. I myself flew on the Su-27 over the Baltic Sea on the route Moscow-London. Along the way, whoever just did not intercept or photograph me! Fighters of Sweden, Norway, Poland, Finland. Let the guys train too.

      "SP": - And with what, in your opinion, is Japan's concern connected?

      - Japan is always worried about something. What else remains for her to do? Nearby are two huge states - Russia and China. And on the one hand, they have overpopulation, and on the other, an aging population. The country is weakening, so they are worried about every occasion.



      Vice President of the College of Military Experts, retired Major General Alexander Vladimirov:



      - Everything is very simple. Russia, which some have already buried, suddenly began to show that something else was capable of. Russian pilots performed the tasks of the strategic plan. We show that we exist in this space and can control it. I believe that we must calmly, not paying attention to hysterical cries, do our job, denote our presence where we consider it necessary.

      "SP": - How adequate is the reaction of Japan?

      “It's time for Japan to understand that there is no need to wave your hands in the face of Russia, to demand the Kuril Islands.” We must calmly agree. And the fact that the Japanese were so scared, of course. They do not like the manifestation of any force on our part.

      "SP": - However, in terms of the number of "military units" the advantage was on the side of the Japanese. Is it possible to compare the military power of our groups?

      “Comparing is pointless.” Too different levels of these aircraft. Our strategic bombers did not fly at all in order to fight fighters. If necessary, they will launch their cruise missiles with nuclear warheads a thousand kilometers from the target, and Japan will not be in 20 minutes. Here the fact itself is important that we again appear in the airspace over the Pacific Ocean. In general, we must do the same as the Americans, who do what they want.

      The Japanese are protesting against the American military base on the island of Okinawa, staging "days of anger" every year. And what are the Americans? But nothing. So we have to.
      1. +8
        11 February 2012 09: 41
        esaul, your post reflected all my thoughts that I wanted to state. Neither give nor take !!! - everything is clear, competently and on the shelves! There’s nothing to supplement. Thanks to you for this)))
        1. +6
          11 February 2012 15: 38
          Quote: desava
          desava

          And you, buddy, thanks for the support! drinks
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +1
            12 February 2012 13: 44
            Your post is clear, concise and concise!
            Nothing to add! I fully support !!!
      2. Lech e-mine
        +19
        11 February 2012 10: 27
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      3. -1
        11 February 2012 16: 57
        For 20 X-55 minutes, a thousand kilometers will not be mastered, but in fact Vladimirov is right. good
      4. detrah
        -1
        12 February 2012 16: 43
        Well said! Tell me more!
        drinks
    2. +13
      11 February 2012 10: 52
      I think the effect would be much stronger if our su-34 (heavily armed) were in the group, then it’s like the Japanese boil would be unlimited!
      1. +6
        11 February 2012 12: 25
        Nope, it’s impossible, otherwise the Japs would have managed and choked in their dermis ...
        1. ytqnhfk
          +9
          12 February 2012 03: 16
          Hello everyone !! I want to congratulate everyone on such a preemptive hint! After all, the flight was announced at the end of January, which means Russia is beginning to think specifically even about burning the state flag! Thanks to the pilots experienced a sense of pride !!!!! Good luck to you guys in ANY SKY !!!!
      2. larsky1
        0
        11 February 2012 14: 57
        su-34 (armed to the teeth)
        I think this is superfluous ... do not provoke once again. Some kind of nervous Japanese gun from his carbine ... and that's it, those are the third world ...
      3. estonian
        +2
        11 February 2012 17: 13
        tronin.maxim,
        Why is there su34 if TU95 is with them)) The carcass needs escort planes so that they can repel enemy attacks ... The Japanese fighter because they feel that it smacks of fried yes and even such Russian bears fly near the borders))
      4. Born in USSR
        +2
        12 February 2012 16: 40
        I think that Su 24 and our Avax radio reconnaissance conducted on live bait - strategists :-).
  2. Dimych from Vanino
    +11
    11 February 2012 09: 20
    For the burnt flag of our Country .. this is the least that they were lucky to experience .... wedge by wedge .... They provoke and insult us ... We calmly let us know that we are in control of the situation .... And they will have Okinawa there will be reason to think more seriously.
  3. +8
    11 February 2012 09: 25
    The narrow-eyed forgot the knock of bamboo sticks, so we reminded them .., so everything is fine, get used to it .. wink
  4. +5
    11 February 2012 09: 30
    Pendos have no interests anywhere. One joke says "My Sarah has a crap, you are not interested in this?"
  5. Drevnij
    +7
    11 February 2012 10: 01
    Narrow-eyed crap ....
    1. Evil Tatar
      +26
      11 February 2012 11: 15
      Quote: Drevnij
      Narrow-eyed crap ....

      The Japanese, by and large, are very brave and proud people ...
      Throughout the entire military history, Japanese soldiers have repeatedly proved that the concept of honor is not known to them from books and movies, but was laid down at the genetic level since the time of the samurai - soldiers of the Emperor.
      I personally was in Japan in 1999 on a working trip. The translator, Mr. Suzuki (by the way, is not a bad person at all), who arranged for me an orientation and entertainment program, one of the days off decided to show the Emperor’s palace in Tokyo ...
      In front of the palace-fortress is a huge area, all covered with fine granite screenings. Walking in sandals on it is inconvenient .. When asked why there is no hard cover, I got an answer that it’s impossible - this land is watered with the blood of patriots (?).
      It turns out that after capitulation in the 2nd World War, more than 30 thousand men of different ages entered this square and committed massive hara-kiri (who does not know, this is an autopsy of the abdominal cavity, in front of the Emperor, members of their families and citizens). e. suicide) ...
      The goals of this self-sacrifice are their recognition of the loss of honor of soldiers due to defeat in the war, and in order to prove to the Emperor and people that the military spirit of the Japanese citizen soldier, heir to the samurai, is not broken by shameful surrender, and devotion to the Emperor is more important for them than their own a life.
      That's it!
      I just want to tell many of our guys that to incite anger towards the enemy, to the potential enemy, to support patriotic feelings for the Motherland, is certainly necessary, and today it is probably necessary twice, but it is worthwhile to understand that in those bad times, many nations had, and now have, every its historical memory of the essence of the existence of its ancestors ...
      The memory of one’s heroes and the motivation for courage, heroism, anger, fury, despair for each individual of his own people, and depends on education ...
      I am a desperate "tourist", so I did not hesitate to drop in different cities of Japan at a very late time, I visited hot spots there, I often "talk" with young and not young people, in a cheerful mood, but I never even felt any aggression to Russian neither from the host and accompanying people, nor from the Japanese at all unknown to me. Although at times my behavior was on the verge or beyond the guest.
      The people in Japan are friendly, maybe not even because they love everyone, but because of their special mentality ... Wherever you go (shop, cafe, hotel, office) - everywhere everyone involved in your visit meets you with a bow, smiles a sweet smile and see off with good wishes ...
      They take money with a bow and words of gratitude ... They give money with a bow, no less than thank ...
      In an hour, due to natural politeness, I bowed and smiled back.
      What can you do - good breeds good ...
      I want to add, relying on the media, who claim that at present, the young people - the Japanese are very motivated to get under arms.
      And I’m sure that the discussion of the same events by Japanese bloggers is no less intense than ours ...
      only the apogee of this intensity can one day result in a real massacre between them and us. And for some reason it seems to me unlikely that this massacre will begin in Japan.
      I am unequivocally opposed to the transfer of at least one island of the Kuril Ridge of Japan and under any circumstances, because this land rightfully belongs to Russia ... Because the spirit of the Russian soldier is also in my genetic memory, the mentality of a male soldier based on the true history of glorious campaigns, righteous wars in which Russian soldiers participated - my grandfathers, fathers of grandfathers, their fathers and uncles, their brothers. Many lands of this harsh world are watered with their blood, and the souls of soldiers are saturated with tears, pain and suffering of my grandmothers, their mothers and sisters.
      1. marauder
        +3
        11 February 2012 12: 10
        Quote: Angry Tatar
        It turns out that after capitulation in the 2nd World War, more than 30 thousand men of different ages entered this square and committed massive hara-kiri (who does not know, this is an autopsy of the abdominal cavity, in front of the Emperor, members of their families and citizens). e. suicide) ...


        After the flight of TU-95, no one made hara-kiri?
        if not, flights will continue.
        1. Makl
          +3
          11 February 2012 16: 05
          Yes, somehow strange, not really Yasuo Ichikawa is not a patriot request
        2. Evil Tatar
          +7
          12 February 2012 08: 01
          Quote: Maroder
          After the flight of TU-95, no one made hara-kiri?
          if not, flights will continue.

          Quote: Makl
          Yes, somehow strange, not really Yasuo Ichikawa is not a patriot


          The fact of the matter is that we are talking about ordinary citizens of any country ...
          After all, we understand that the "nerds" -sloblud (read-politicians) are unlikely to suddenly find themselves in the trenches, sharing the fate of the soldiers who were faked for the slaughter, who yesterday were just workers, peasants, etc.
          "Botanists" in politics feel important until they come for them ...
          1. magirus.75
            +1
            13 February 2012 02: 52
            Angry Tatar,
            "Botanists" in politics feel important until they come for them ...
            you said it strongly, and is suitable for everyone!
            not very much the hunt for diplomats to say goodbye to life, here is for the family, relatives - YES!
      2. +3
        11 February 2012 16: 33
        Quote: Angry Tatar
        The Japanese, by and large, are very brave and proud people ...

        Very nice comment with very nice words, Eugene! Plus - huge and - always happy with such comments. Thanks. good
      3. Marat
        +5
        11 February 2012 22: 37
        The Evil Tatar has a very good commentary (especially against the background of the "heady" comments)
        I would like everyone to remember that this people is an ancient and formidable enemy - and if we don’t suddenly have yao or Stalin, then they will be able to create problems

        I want to remind you that the enmity of our civilization with Japan has a much longer period than Tsushima - another descendant of Genghis Khan - Khan Kublai (who can be considered as an obvious representative of the Eurasian civilization) wanted to solve the Japanese question once and for all - unfortunately a storm sank his fleet (the Japanese have since since then they called him "kamikaze")
        As a result, after 6 centuries, the great-grandchildren of Khubilai and his soldiers again had to die in battles with the Japanese - but already on their land and with their Russian brothers
        1. +6
          12 February 2012 14: 01
          However, Zhukov in Mongolia, and then Vasilevsky in Manchuria, torn apart the MIF to the extent that the Japanese soldier is a formidable enemy!
          Vasiliev was advancing at such a high rate that the "formidable enemy" simply cut himself up in a frenzy and impotent anger. (SEPUKU)
          That's all.
          1. Marat
            +1
            12 February 2012 21: 01
            May God grant that we always have the Soviet army and marshals like Zhukov and Vasilevsky (since there is no Khubilai and the Mongols are few)
            1. 0
              13 February 2012 03: 19
              Quote: Marat
              since no now Khubilai

              others, such as Nabibul and on and so forth. 3,14 there is a brotherhood, they may be more damaging to the whole Horde
      4. 0
        12 February 2012 23: 26
        I don’t want to upset you, but the glamorous life got there, and there are even fewer such samurai than our heroes recourse
      5. knight 77
        0
        13 February 2012 18: 51
        watch the movie "squad 731" about the very friendly mentality of the Japanese
      6. schta
        0
        15 February 2012 12: 50
        Quote: Angry Tatar
        The Japanese, by and large, are very brave and proud people ...

        But not in armed confrontation with the Russians.
        The Kuril Islands were originally ours, let them shut up with their claims.
  6. +12
    11 February 2012 10: 46
    elegant plane! what I like about the Soviet military-industrial complex is the design of the cars. that ships, that planes. By the way, even amers recognize this. there are two significant cases. with regard to aircraft: once amers assigned a very flattering epithet to a Soviet bomber ("beauty"), we are talking about TU22 (Pindossian nickname - Blinder, but could be beauty). So there was a scandal in the Pentagon, they say it is useless to give compliments to the enemy. Nick was changed. And already in our time, there was a study in relation to the rational contour of the hulls of warships (not only seaworthiness, but also weapons systems, radar stations, etc., etc.), and so, amer researchers came to the conclusion that the silhouette lines of Soviet ships emphasize strength. (like a hound dog or a tiger - we admire their dangerous grace)

    about ships here http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/telegraph/technics/460/

    It's funny Some time ago, flot.com had an article on America's rusting fleet. It described the problem with a whole class of ships in service due to design errors. We were talking about URG frigates. the wrong metal alloy was chosen and as a result of the case crack ...

    Article:
    "The aluminum superstructures of all 22 Ticonderoga-class ships were cracked."
    http://flot.com/nowadays/concept/opposite/cracksplaguecruisers/
    1. +3
      11 February 2012 11: 06
      dmitreach,
      Dmitry, welcome! Class - information! It's always nice to read about compliments to our weapons! fellow
      1. +3
        11 February 2012 11: 49
        Have a nice one you too! drinks
    2. +2
      11 February 2012 15: 08
      Here, someone already wrote that the amers believe that military designers took part in the design of Soviet military equipment.))
      1. +3
        11 February 2012 16: 47
        in English (American) language, under the word designer (except for exclusively Russian meaning - artist), it means - constructor, designer.
        the dictionary is a useful thing.
      2. +5
        11 February 2012 17: 47
        Quote: VikVik741
        Here someone already wrote that the amers consider

        Yeah.
        Any highly effective design is beautiful without decorations.
        And military equipment is the quintessence of the technical capabilities of mankind without frills.
        This is especially expressed in aviation, weight.
        Beauty is an expression of their capabilities.
    3. +1
      11 February 2012 17: 07
      Blinder - the original Tu-22. Emki have Backfire code.
      1. +5
        11 February 2012 17: 10
        Yes, there is one. For me, the beauty title pulls more than Tu 22m3. beautiful bird!
        1. +2
          11 February 2012 17: 17
          + 1. And it is the M3. In М0, М1 and М2 noses spoil the whole impression.
          1. +2
            11 February 2012 18: 58
            Yes, it’s m3 precisely from the reason you indicated.
  7. +6
    11 February 2012 11: 29
    What can the Japanese decide? just what they will eat. all other decisions are made by the US State Department. the occupied country has no voice, can only hiss viciously and powerlessly.
    1. +4
      11 February 2012 11: 52
      so they "decide"! Do you think their whining is not without the approval of the Suzerain - the State Department? Rodents, though Asian, does not change the meaning of the word vassal.
  8. Vrangel
    +12
    11 February 2012 11: 38
    Chronicle of the guard of the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905. "Walking around the perimeters of the halt, Sergeant Major Sidorchuk found a Japanese dressed in all black (ninja), uttering some screams and sharply waving his palms, from the blow of Sidorchuk in the ear fell to the ground and soon died." :)
    1. snek
      -2
      11 February 2012 12: 20
      It’s only a pity that we lost that war. And so a funny story.
      1. +6
        11 February 2012 12: 28
        we did not lose, we simply allow ourselves to beat in diplomacy. By the way, then our sworn friends lit up there. The USA was mediators in the negotiations between RUSSIA and JAPAN. our army only managed to mobilize and was already on wheels (railway), and then the king slipped the world. we would have kicked the Japs from the continent at the beginning of the century.
        1. snek
          -5
          11 February 2012 12: 54
          Quote: core
          we did not lose

          The fall of Port Arthur, Tsushima, and the successful Japanese invasion of Sakhalin are military, not diplomatic, successes.
          Quote: core
          we just let ourselves beat in diplomacy. By the way, then our sworn friends lit up there. The USA acted as mediators in the negotiations between RUSSIA and JAPAN

          Well, for example, our historian A.N. Bokhanov writes that the Portsmouth accords became the undoubted success of Russian diplomacy: the negotiations were more like an agreement of equal partners, and not an agreement concluded as a result of an unsuccessful war. And indeed, most of the assessments that I met call the treaty an absolute victory for our diplomacy.

          Many in Japan were unhappy with the peace treaty: Japan received less territory than expected - for example, only part of Sakhalin, and not all, and most importantly, did not receive cash indemnities. During the negotiations, the Japanese delegation put forward a demand for an indemnity of 1,2 billion yen, but Emperor Nicholas II’s firm and unshakable position did not allow Witte to yield in these two principal points. He was supported by US President Theodore Roosevelt, informing the Japanese that if they insist, the American side, which had previously sympathized with the Japanese, will change its position. The Japanese side’s demand for the demilitarization of Vladivostok and a number of other conditions were also rejected.
          1. +9
            11 February 2012 14: 02
            Port Arthur was not taken, but surrendered. (note), and tsushima was initially a failure. Japan suffered losses one and a half times higher than the Russian army. was ready to make peace on ANY conditions. but the middlemen helped the Japanese stop the tantrum. plus the revolution in Russia and the negative attitude of the then "elite" to the tsar, and therefore to the war with Japan. the first Chechen situation. soldiers shed blood. and the elite sends congratulatory telegrams to MIKADO. IN CONNECTION WITH THE RUNNING OF THE RUSSIAN ESCADRA.
            TIP: read less on Wikipedia. but more books.
            1. snek
              -6
              11 February 2012 14: 15
              Thank you very much for the advice, but it’s not too much for I read books, it’s just easier to take quotes from Wikipedia.
              By the way, tell me, please, where did you get the information about the world "on ANY conditions" - I don’t remember that I found it in the literature.
              You must understand: my position is not "the great and terrible Japanese won over us, the poor and the dead." The Russian soldier in all wars showed exceptional examples of stamina and heroism. But to think that the outcome of the war was decided only by some kind of behind-the-scenes games is primitive. There were blatant miscalculations of the command (both before and during the war). Yes, and the Japanese showed themselves with dignity and the losses were one and a half times higher than ours - this is not such a bad indicator, considering that we were the defending side.
              1. +2
                11 February 2012 17: 09
                Quote: snek
                There were frank miscalculations of command (both before and during the war).
                miscalculations of command are backroom games. I never said that the Japanese soldier was worse than the Russian. but something samurai valor did not help them in '45. rolled out a millionth army in a month. In 1945 the army was mobilized, and in 1904 they dragged on with mobilization, and this is also a backstage fight. Americans on the Pacific Ocean didn’t need not RUSSIA NOT JAPAN.
                and about "any conditions" I don't remember the source, but it is completely possible that in CHEREVKO's book "hammer and sickle against a samurai sword"
              2. +2
                11 February 2012 22: 08
                Who built ships and trained the crews of Japan?
                1. 0
                  April 27 2012 12: 43
                  She! "Lady of the Seas"! Although the cruiser Kassuga! and "Nissin" were purchased, it seems, in Argentina!
              3. +2
                12 February 2012 10: 09
                The outcome of the war was almost always decided not only on the battlefields, but also in the offices of diplomats. But the basis was the victory of the Armed Forces, the people of the countries participating in the war. Recall Tehran, Yalta. The redistribution of the world was decided by separate agreements that did not take into account the results of the war in any way. It has always been, and probably will continue to be.
            2. +2
              11 February 2012 15: 14
              On this topic, I really liked the works of V.S. Pikul - "Hard labor", "Wealth", "Cruisers", especially "Three ages of Okini-san"
            3. +3
              12 February 2012 03: 08
              Quote: core
              Port Arthur was not taken, but surrendered. (note), and tsushima was initially a failure. Japan suffered losses one and a half times higher than the Russian army. was ready to make peace on ANY conditions. but the middlemen helped the Japanese stop the tantrum. plus the revolution in Russia and the negative attitude of the then "elite" to the tsar, and therefore to the war with Japan. the first Chechen situation. soldiers shed blood. and the elite sends congratulatory telegrams to MIKADO. IN CONNECTION WITH THE RUNNING OF THE RUSSIAN ESCADRA.

              I completely agree. As far as I know, the proposal to conclude peace was made precisely by the Japanese. In addition, revolutionary events were provoked in Russia at that time (for example, an uprising on the battleship Potemkin).
          2. karla
            -2
            12 February 2012 09: 46
            Quote: snek
            Many in Japan were unhappy with the peace treaty: Japan received less territory than expected - for example, only part of Sakhalin, and not all, and most importantly, did not receive cash indemnities. During the negotiations, the Japanese delegation put forward a demand for an indemnity of 1,2 billion yen, but Emperor Nicholas II’s firm and unshakable position did not allow Witte to concede in these two principal points

            A wonderful thing is history, how beautifully unambiguous a loss in a war can be, to describe almost as a victory. I remember the Brest Peace between Soviet Russia and Germany (when Russia gave away vast territories in Belarus and Ukraine, as well as paid indemnity, the same were presented in the history of the USSR as an unambiguous victory of the Bolsheviks. And Germany, if you remember in this war, lost everything lost.
            1. +2
              12 February 2012 11: 31
              Up, oh comrades, everything is in places!

              The last parade is coming!
              Our proud "Varangian" does not surrender to the enemy,
              No one wants mercy!

              All pennants curl and chains rattle
              Upward anchors rising.
              Preparing for battle guns in a row,
              The sun is ominously sparkling!

              From the dock right we go to the battle
              Towards death threatening us
              For the motherland in the open sea we die
              Where are waiting for the yellow-headed devils!

              Whistles and rattles and rumbles around.
              Thunder cannons, hissing shell,
              And our fearless, our faithful "Varangian" became
              Like hell!

              In death agony tremble body,
              Around the roar, and smoke, and moaning,
              And the ship is engulfed in a sea of ​​fire, -
              The minute of farewell came.

              Goodbye, comrades! With God, cheers!
              The boiling sea beneath us!
              We didn’t even think with you yesterday,
              What will fall asleep today under the waves!

              Neither a stone nor a cross will say where they lay down
              To the glory we are the Russian flag,
              Only sea waves will glorify alone
              The heroic death of "Varyag"!

              In principle, the Varangian also drowned. But how!
      2. +3
        12 February 2012 14: 04
        All the same, we won the war! In 1945!
        Do not forget about it!
  9. +9
    11 February 2012 13: 18
    Yes, a normal reaction to danger.
    When Russia resumed flying our Tu-17 over the Arctic Ocean on August 2007, 95, after a 20-year hiatus. There was such a wave in the British press that Russia was almost accused of starting a war!
    That's how we do not like the flights of our TU !!!!!!!!!!!
    1. neodymium
      +5
      11 February 2012 19: 13
      "It is bad to have the Anglo-Saxon as an enemy, but God forbid to have him as a friend," wrote the Russian military historian Edrikhin
  10. in4ser
    +3
    11 February 2012 14: 06
    They have had these reflexes since 1945, do not forget that on that peaceful, summer, morning, August day - Kid and Fat Man fell on them!
    What do you think about how they react to such flights? :)
    1. Lech e-mine
      +5
      11 February 2012 16: 11
      ALL CLAIMS TO PINDOS. WE HERE AND WHEREOF.
    2. 0
      April 27 2012 12: 46
      As a result of carpet bombing of Tokyo, Nagoya, Yokohama and other cities (especially napalm), there were three times more deaths than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
  11. kolstow
    +5
    11 February 2012 15: 26
    Such things should happen regularly. As it was during the Soviet Union. This is normal! Father in the 70s served in 444 TBAP, the Vozdvizhenka garrison. So then such flights were the norm, he disappeared at the airport for days. They flew longer and longer than now. It’s a pity that just such an air base remained in the Far East - Ukrainka .... So you must definitely indicate your presence! And more and more!
  12. PISTOL
    +5
    11 February 2012 16: 30
    once again showed the Japanese that they didn’t contact those (USA meaning) and that we will constantly show it to them, well, and do our best to not forget our neighbors) They also lit their grandmothers that already raised 13 aircraft)) 5 points)
    1. +2
      12 February 2012 10: 15
      This is not grandmothers, but a sudden, unplanned training session, which has always been and will be appreciated in the Armed Forces of any country, a kind of warm-up. They should be grateful to us for the opportunity to practice.
  13. +7
    11 February 2012 16: 51
    And I like it when our military scare someone.
    1. +6
      11 February 2012 16: 54
      in fact, they are kind .... just afraid of them. smile
  14. Bravo
    +6
    11 February 2012 17: 01
    and that our planes were so scared that the Japs, flights were training, we fly wherever we want, let them fear the Americans better, after all, we didn’t drop the bomb on them, but the United States quickly turns from allies into enemies
  15. SoVIet ZiMBo_O
    +4
    11 February 2012 17: 32
    completely forgotten. Fly the kids as you want, as much as you want. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and I support these actions, it sympathizes with me!
  16. ivan79
    +4
    11 February 2012 17: 48
    Yes, no, it’s just that a long time out (20 years) was taken by us, so they got used to the fact that our aviation does not fly, but here’s a big deal! It would be necessary to carry out training flights more often in that region!
  17. +3
    11 February 2012 17: 54
    Scared, not scared.
    I join the already expressed opinion, we are not talking about that medium.
    Did you notice the composition of the group?
    In-in.
    Scouts went to feel the electronic underbelly.
    And our Tu-95MS really come so close to the targets ...
    Hmm, if only for aesthetic purposes.
    1. +2
      12 February 2012 08: 57
      That's the whole point of the flight - the scarecrow drove the scarecrow to the Japanese borders and looked at how their interception system works. As mentioned above, tactically there is no sense in the Tu-95 MS flying so close to the Japanese border. The goals were pursued by others: to demonstrate the power of the Air Force and conduct radar reconnaissance
  18. Grin
    +4
    11 February 2012 20: 15
    Horseradish with them the Japanese, it’s just some kind of habit in half the world that Russia will not do, they immediately begin to hysteria, even if it does not concern them in any way.
  19. SIA
    SIA
    +5
    11 February 2012 20: 43
    Beautiful and powerful car!
  20. 755962
    +4
    11 February 2012 22: 14
    The Japanese should be grateful to ours for a warm-up)))
  21. +1
    12 February 2012 02: 37
    Is it possible that after "Fukushima" someone else takes Japan seriously (given its relatively small territory and the presence of ~ 55 nuclear reactors of nuclear power plants)?
    1. +2
      12 February 2012 14: 09
      They are not, but amers on their territory yes.
    2. 0
      12 February 2012 16: 26
      Quote: JackTheRipper
      with its relatively small territory and the presence of ~ 55 nuclear reactors

      Exactly, do you need to molt somewhere?
  22. +1
    12 February 2012 07: 17
    Correctly let them be more modest in their loud statements, and remember that they are always at gunpoint.
  23. serge
    +1
    12 February 2012 13: 29
    White fluffy beast flying over Japan.
    1. Makl
      +1
      12 February 2012 13: 39
      Quote: serge
      White fluffy beast flying over Japan.

      It won’t rain ...

      Haiku tongue
      1. Aleksey67
        +5
        12 February 2012 13: 45
        I look towards the northern territories
        Suddenly the wind from Ilov knocks me down
        Urgently changing diapers

        Haiku wink
        1. +3
          12 February 2012 14: 16
          Aleksey67

          Yes, you are just unique !!!
          Respect and Respect !!! drinks
        2. 0
          April 27 2012 13: 01
          The distant islands beckon in dreams like family!
          But thunder from heaven brings me down to earth!
          The Bears are back!

          In 91-93 he served in a division where, in addition to "Bears", there were also Tu-22M2) They flew often and thickly !!!
          drinks
  24. VAF
    VAF
    0
    12 February 2012 13: 38
    Well, finally, at least something, or else just "Yudashkin's uniform" and words at the level of politicians !!!
    Well done, keep it up! We must constantly show "who is" hu ", otherwise the quick-eyed ones have completely lost their fear !!!
  25. sergskak
    +2
    12 February 2012 14: 06
    Our military has no reason to justify and explain something. There was no border violation, and who they have there ... or how many women at that moment gave birth should not bother us at all.
  26. 0
    12 February 2012 16: 35
    [hide] [/ hide] Aircraft AWAC, which for the first time approached such a small distance to the island state.

    and why stink if there was no violation?
    1. 0
      12 February 2012 17: 43
      Detection range:
      - air targets:
      bombers, km - 650
      low-flying fighters - up to the radio horizon
      cruise missiles (S = 1m2), km - 215
      torches of non-ballistic missiles by optical means, km - 800
      - surface ships (S = 250m2) - up to the radio horizon
      - ground targets:
      single target type PU OTR, km - 300
      group target such as "column of tanks", km - 250
      The number of tracked air targets - up to 300

      And really, why would they be nervous? winked
  27. General
    0
    12 February 2012 20: 26
    Japan it deserves
  28. dok
    -1
    12 February 2012 21: 17
    The news is terrific. Would you fly in the Caribbean eh?
  29. 0
    13 February 2012 00: 10
    So they flew to visit Hugo Chavez. smile
  30. -1
    13 February 2012 02: 25
    .if hypothetically ... let's say so in the area of ​​delirium. as most discuss here ..... assume no nuclear conflict ............ everything will be like Khalkhin-Gole. first, the aircraft will fight with the clumsy ones will put all our aviation ........... for even then we drove right away .. and ..... and now our pilots did not show anything in the war with Georgia, and then even more so ... then We will certainly gather ............ but it will be too late ..
    Who wants to argue, let him give an example of the successful actions of our Air Force after the war in Korea (after the generation that fought a generation unrelated to the great war)
    1. 0
      13 February 2012 19: 58
      [quote = rumpeljschtizhen] if hypothetically [/ quote]
      If hypothetically then the apple trees will bloom on Mars !!! [
      quote = rumpeljschtizhen] On Khalkhin-Gole. first the aircraft will fight and the winged will put all our aviation [/ quote]
      Yeah, if I’m not mistaken, we are talking about our Spaniards, who broke the Germans in the sky so much that our Air Force rested on its laurels until the 41st?
  31. slave420
    0
    14 February 2012 07: 45
    Bullied, bullied, and as soon as our bombers appeared at the borders immediately crap)
  32. Vanek
    0
    14 February 2012 10: 49
    Perhaps the main cause of concern for the Japanese is the fact that from anywhere in the route Tu-95MS could theoretically launch missiles. In this case, all of the Japanese islands would fall into the zone of the latter.

    Piss kada scary
  33. Gray
    0
    14 February 2012 23: 04
    The point of the Japs began to play!