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How the Februaryists destroyed the army

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How the Februaryists destroyed the army

100 years ago, 14 March 1917, the Petrograd Soviet issued the so-called Order No. XXUMX of the Petrograd Garrison, which legitimized the soldier’s committees and placed at their disposal all weapon, and the officers lost disciplinary power over the soldiers. With the adoption of the order, the principle of unity of command, fundamental for any army, was violated, resulting in a landslide decline in discipline and fighting efficiency, and then the gradual collapse of the entire army. In the army and on navy mass lynching of officers began, their killings and arrests.


Russian army after heavy tests 1914-1916 years. and so experienced a lot of problems, including the fall of discipline up to the first soldiers' riots and desertion, but February finished it off. Thus, in the opinion of General A. I. Denikin, Order No. XXUMX gave “the first, main impetus to the collapse of the army.” And General A.S. Lukomsky noted that Order No. XXUMX "undermined discipline, depriving the officer commanding staff of power over the soldiers." Armed forces of Russia began to fall apart literally before our eyes, the army from the pillar of order itself became a source of anarchy and unrest.

The liberal “white” myth that the Bolshevik coup (with revolutionary consequences) October 25 (November November 7) became a fatal event for the destruction of the Russian state, which in turn led to a geopolitical civilizational catastrophe with diverse grave consequences , for example, demographic and the decay of a great power. But this is a notorious lie, although many influential people still speak about it.

The death of the old Russian state and the civilizational catastrophe became an irreversible 2 (15) in March 1917, when Nikolai Alexandrovich resigned from the throne and was published in the morning issue of the official Soviet body Izvstіya Petrogradskogo Sovkuta Workers and Soldatskikh Deputovat (Izvestia) Affirmation (Izvestia) App. In the empire, two main pillars were immediately destroyed with one well-planned blow — autocracy and the army.

The order came from the Central Executive Committee (CEC) of the Petrograd, essentially All-Russian, Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, where the Bolsheviks did not play a leading role until September 1917. The direct drafter of the document was the secretary of the CEC, then a famous lawyer and mason N. D. Sokolov (1870-1928). Interestingly, the father, Dmitry Sokolov, was an archpriest and court cleric, confessor of the royal family. This fact very well characterizes the degree of decomposition of the then Russian society, its educated and possessing elite. “Golden children” - representatives of the nobility, clergy, intelligentsia, the most educated and socially significant elite of Russian society took the path of revolution, hoping to destroy the “damned world” to the ground.

Nikolay Sokolov participated in many political processes. He acted on the affairs of Khrustalev-Nosary, Fondaminsky-Bunakov, the military organization of the RSDLP, the editors of Nachalo, Severny Voices, Vestnik Zhizn, etc. He made a brilliant career where he mainly defended all kinds of revolutionary terrorists. Politically, he acted as a “non-fractional social democrat”. In addition, Sokolov was a freemason. He was a member of the Supreme Council of the “Great East of the Peoples of Russia”, a member of the “Galperna” and “Gegechkori” lodges. Interestingly, A. F. Kerensky was the secretary general of the “Great East” since 1916. And Sokolov in October-November 1916 of the year participated, together with Kerensky, in secret meetings at the apartment of N. S. Chkheidze, that is, he was an active conspirator-Februarylist.

It is worth remembering that Sokolov, like Kerensky, was one of the leaders of the Russian Freemasonry of those years. And Russian masons, among them were aristocrats, politicians, military, bankers and lawyers, members of the State Duma (the elite of that time), wanted to lead Russia along the western path (matrix). That is, to destroy autocracy and complete the westernization of Russia. They acted as the organizing force of February, tying together the numerous revolutionary troops that wanted to destroy “old Russia”. In particular, Sokolov connected the social democratic and liberal camps.

In this way, pro-Western Freemasonry became the decisive force of February, as it was joined by influential figures of various parties and movements, which came out more or less separately, but unitedly against the autocracy. Coupled with an oath to their, and at the same time high-standing, Western European Freemasonry, these very different, it seemed often simply incompatible figures — from moderate monarchists, nationalists and Octobrists to Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries — became disciplined and purposeful in carrying out a single task. Thus was formed the powerful fist of the feudal revolutionaries, who destroyed the autocracy, the empire and the army.

Not surprisingly, the first central government created during the fall of the tsarist government was almost entirely composed of masons. Thus, from the 11 members of the Provisional Government of the first 9 composition (participation in the freemasonry of A. I. Guchkov and P. N. Milyukov has not been proved) were masons. In total, 29 people have been in ministerial positions for almost eight months of the Provisional Government’s existence, and 23 of them belonged to Freemasonry. The situation was similar in the Petrograd Soviet. In the then “second power” —the CEC of the Petrograd Soviet — all three members of the presidium — A. F. Kerensky, M. I. Skobelev and N. S. Chkheidze — and two of the four members of the Secretariat K A. Gvozdev and N. D were masons; Sokolov. Therefore, the so-called “diarchy” after February was very relative, in essence, even ostentatious. Both in the Provisional Government and in the Petrosoviet, the people of the “same team” initially ran. They solved one problem - they eliminated “old Russia”. But in order to reassure ordinary people - soldiers, workers, peasants, who would not understand that only the upper strata - the bourgeois and the capitalists - won from February, two organs of power were created. Provisional government for the top of society and for the West, and Petrograd Soviet, to reassure the masses.

That is, the February coup was organized by Freemasonry in the interests of the masters of the West. Westerners believed that “the West will help them” in creating a “new Russia” - modeled on “advanced” Western countries (England and France). But cruelly miscalculated. The masters of the West did not need Russia, neither monarchical nor liberal democratic. They needed the resources of Russia to create a new world order, where there is no place for the Russian people. The masters of the West had a long-term strategy, and for centuries they fought to destroy Russia-Russia. They knew that revolution would inevitably cause tremendous confusion, chaos, the death of millions of Russian people from continuous wars, conflicts, famine, cold and disease. And the Westernists-Februaryists were replaced by new “leaders” - various nationalists (Finnish, Polish, Baltic, Caucasian, Ukrainian, etc.), separatists (Siberian, Cossacks), radical socialists, Basmachis (predecessors of jihadists), simply bandits. The fevralists opened Pandora’s box, and they even destroyed the only force that could withstand anarchy — the army.

The order was addressed to the capital garrison, to all soldiers of the guard, army, artillery and sailors of the fleet for immediate execution, and to the workers of Petrograd for information. Order number 1 demanded the immediate creation of elected committees of representatives of the lower ranks in all military units, divisions and services, as well as on ships. The main point in the Order No. 1 was the third paragraph, according to which in all political speeches military units were now subordinate not to officers, but to their elected committees and the Council. The order also provided that all weapons are placed at the disposal and under the control of the soldiers' committees. The order introduced equality of rights of the “lower ranks” with the rest of the citizens in political, civil and private life, canceled the titles of officers.

Thus, if you think about these categorical phrases, it will become clear that it went towards the complete destruction of the most important institution of the empire created over the centuries - the army and navy (armed forces), the backbone of Russia. The mere demagogic proposition that a soldier’s “freedom” cannot be limited to “nothing” means the elimination of the army institution itself. It is also worth remembering that this order was issued in the conditions of a grandiose world war in which Russia participated, and there were more than 10 million people under arms in Russia. According to the memoirs of the last War Minister of the Provisional Government A. I. Verkhovsky, “the order was issued in nine million copies.”

2 March Sokolov appeared with the text of the order, which was already published in Izvestia, in front of the newly formed Provisional Government. One of its members, Vladimir Nikolaevich Lvov (Ober-Prosecutor of the Holy Synod within the Provisional Government), told about this in his memoirs: “... ND Sokolov approaches our table with quick steps and asks us to get acquainted with the content of the paper he brought ... It was the famous order number one ... After reading it, Guchkov (the Minister of War. - A. S.) immediately stated that the order ... was unthinkable, and left the room. Miliukov (Minister of Foreign Affairs - A.S.) began convincing Sokolov of the complete impossibility of publishing this order (he did not know that the order had already been published and the newspaper with its text began to be distributed. - A.S.) ... Finally, Milyukov was exhausted. I got up and walked away from the table ... I jumped up from the chair and shouted to Sokolov with characteristic fervor that this paper brought by him is a crime in front of my homeland ... Kerensky (then the Minister of Justice. - AS) ran up to me and shouted: " Vladimir Nikolaevich, be silent, be silent! ”, Then grabbed Sokolov He took him by the hand, quickly into another room and locked the door behind him ... ”

Interestingly, Sokolov will soon receive a “reply” from his order. In June 1917, Sokolov will lead the CEC delegation to the front and in response to the conviction not to violate discipline, the soldiers will pounce on the delegation and strongly beat the members. Sokolov will go to the hospital where he has been unconscious for several days. After that, he was ill for a long time.

The Provisional Government understood the destructiveness of order No. XXUMX, especially since it had already declared its loyalty to the Allies on the Entente and its readiness to continue the war until victory. However, directly to abolish it meant open conflict with the Petrograd Soviet. In order to reduce the negative consequences of the order, the new war minister, Alexander Guchkov, issued his order with “explanations”, according to which unity of command in the army was kept and it was said about the abolition of only some articles of military manuals. So, the officers now had to turn to the soldiers on “You,” the notion of “lower rank” was abolished, the giving of honor was canceled and, as was said then, the humiliating “old-regime orders.”

Under the influence of harsh criticism from the right, the Socialist-Revolutionary Menshevik members of the Executive Committee tried to dissociate themselves from Order No. 1, declaring their non-involvement in it and portraying the order as a document of purely soldierly origin. The management of the Executive Committee hastened to limit the scope of the Order No. 1 by issuing the first order of the additional orders No. 2 from 6 (19) in March and No. 3 from 7 (20) in March to “clarify”. Order No. 2, retaining all the main provisions established by Order No. 1, explained that Order No. 1 dealt with the election of committees, but not of the authorities; nevertheless, all elections of officers already made should remain valid; committees have the right to object to the appointment of superiors; All Petrograd soldiers must submit to the political leadership exclusively of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, and in matters relating to military service, to the military authorities. It was finally established that Order No. 1 has application only within the Petrograd garrison and cannot extend to the front. However, it was already impossible to restore the previous order. Two days after the Order No. 2, the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet again spoke out with a brief explanation-appeal to the troops, in which attention was paid to the observance of discipline. However, according to Denikin, Order No. 2 was not distributed among the troops and did not affect “the course of events brought about by order No. 1”.

In general, the process of collapse was already irreversible. Especially since it was continued. Having become 5 in May as Minister of War, Kerensky issued his “Order for the Army and Navy” just four days later, very close in content to order No. 1. He began to be called the "declaration of the rights of a soldier." Subsequently, General A. I. Denikin wrote that "this" declaration "of rights ... finally undermined all the foundations of the army." 16 July 1917, speaking in the presence of Kerensky (then the prime minister), Denikin stated not without audacity: “When they repeat at every step that the Bolsheviks were the cause of the collapse of the army, I protest. This is not true. The army was destroyed by others ... ". And then the general, tactfully silent about the real culprits of the collapse of the army, including the head of the Provisional Government, said: "The military legislation of the last few months has collapsed the army." It is clear that “the recent military legislators were Sokolov and Kerensky himself. At the same time, Denikin himself tried to become one of the main leaders of the army of the “new Russia”: on April 5 he agreed to become the Chief of Staff of the Supreme Commander, and on May 31 - the Commander-in-Chief of the Western Front. Only at the end of August, General Denikin broke with Kerensky, but by that time, essentially, the army was no longer there. All the main active forces of the Civil War at that time created their armies and armed formations.

Thus, the Westerners, the february freemasons were able to quickly destroy the Russian state, crush the autocracy. But then, having received all the power, they turned out to be completely powerless and mediocre, and in less than a year they lost it, failing to put up any resistance to the new October Revolution (also with revolutionary consequences).

According to the testimony of A.I. Guchkov, the main protagonists of February believed that “after the wild spontaneous anarchy, the street would fall, after that people of state experience, state intelligence, like us, would be called upon to power. Obviously, in remembrance of the fact that ... there was a 1848 year (that is, a revolution in France. - A. S.): the workers dumped, and then some reasonable people staged power. " However, the Westernists-Februaryists did not know Russia, the Russian people, but only considered themselves very “sensible”. The fevralists used the fundamental contradictions that existed in Russia, all the miscalculations of the tsarist government, in order to cause a "spontaneous anarchy" in the capital and to overthrow the current government, paralyzed by a large-scale plot of the upper strata. When the Februaryists ("reasonable people") seized power, they by their actions caused a complete collapse, a civilizational catastrophe. "Managed chaos", caused in the capital, spread to the country and the army, has already begun "Russian unrest". Russian masons have forgotten or did not know about the unique “Russian matrix” - freedom of spirit and will. Autocracy was the last barrier that restrained the Russian will. In Russia, unconditional, unrestricted freedom of consciousness and behavior, that is, the will, breaks out into the open with every weakening of state power. And in February-March 1917, the “legitimate”, “sacred” power collapsed completely. This gave rise to a new confusion. Therefore, it is not surprising that the peasants immediately rushed to burn the landlords' estates and divide the land, the soldiers to beat the officers and go home, the Cossacks to create their Cossack states, the nationalists the national Bantustans, the criminals to rob and rape.

It was a real civilizational catastrophe! The project of the Romanovs collapsed and threatened to destroy the whole of Russia under its rubble. Thank God that there were people who had a goal (a new project), a program and will, who took responsibility and started a hard and bloody way to create a Soviet civilization, which in the end will retain all the best that was in “old Russia”.
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  1. venaya
    venaya 14 March 2017 06: 54 New
    +5
    Extremely rich and useful for understanding the processes taking place in society at that time. This is especially relevant today:
    And the new “leaders” were already replacing the Westernist-Februaryists - various nationalists (Finnish, Polish, Baltic, Caucasian, Ukrainian, etc.), separatists (Siberian, Cossacks), radical socialists, Basmachi (predecessors of jihadists), just gangsters. Febralists open Pandora's box

    The article is a definite plus for the depth of the submitted material.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 14 March 2017 11: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Samsonov Alexander
      out of 11 members of the Provisional Government of the first composition, 9 (participation in Freemasonry by A. I. Guchkov and P. N Milyukov has not been proved) were Masons.

      I’m sorry. I did not read further. I understand that the author is not a historian at all, but simply rewrites some popular materials. But how! how can one not know who was the founder and one of the leaders of the "military box"? If you do not know what it was and write on the theme of Freemasonry and the defeat of the Russian Empire ...

      ruskline.ru/analitika/2012/07/16/voennaya_lozha/
      1. Curious
        Curious 14 March 2017 14: 40 New
        +9
        That's right, the author is not a historian. He simply committed to write 100 articles for the 100th anniversary. Now fulfills its obligations. As for the content, the author did not take any obligations.
        1. Pancer
          Pancer 14 March 2017 20: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Curious
          As for the content, the author did not take any obligations.

          And you? There are objections, protest, otherwise it turns out that you have nothing to cover, but at least say something.
          1. Curious
            Curious 15 March 2017 00: 18 New
            +2
            What to protest? The author’s desire to write historical articles? I tried. He does not react. Or protest the content of the article? So the author of my protests to the candelabra, and the protests in general. To graphomaniacs and regular authors of the site, an opinion about their imperishable is uninteresting. It’s interesting to write a comment, supplement, correct, and argue finally for an article that carries at least a small information potential. And then what to supplement or refute?
      2. eser
        eser 13 December 2017 16: 29 New
        0
        I support. For me, as soon as I see the word "Freemasons" in supposedly historical material, the material immediately ceases to be of interest and turns ... turns ... into another yellow little scribble for the need of "people" who do not want to learn their own history for a long and tedious time, when so easy to get all the explanations at once without thinking ...
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 6 July 2017 09: 00 New
      +1
      In Russia, liberals took power twice and each time ruined the state. For the first time, the Bolsheviks were found and created a new state in 5 years. In the second - for a quarter of a century, not a damn thing can make the old state at least sovereign.
    3. eser
      eser 13 December 2017 16: 24 New
      0
      Forgive me, I don’t quite understand why this information (which could be freely found and analyzed in Soviet times, is another matter, of course, that not any conclusions were welcomed) is so relevant ... That separatism became extremely active during the collapse of the state system of the Russian Empire and political and religious radicalism is well known; the same thing happened under Gorbachev, and especially after 1991. It’s obvious that during any revolution or counter-revolution (in 1991, the latter took place, starting with an elite coup - when the regional leaders did not support the GKChP, and he, in fact, killed himself with complete apathy, along with the whole country, and ending with the destruction of the appearance of democracy, the "power of the mob" from the point of view of the new ruling class, which had matured into stagnation, by the shooting of the Russian Armed Forces in 1993), national-chauvinists and radical adventurers of all types raise their heads. All this we, yes, had after February 1917, but by no means the notorious “Westerners-Februaryists” opened Pandora’s box. It would have been so opened up - the Empire was oversaturated with groups longing to destroy the state in order to build something “purely its own” (that is, under its own power) national, religious, or something else on its ruins; It’s foolish to think that the revolution happened out of the blue, only through the fault of some conspirators or a weak king. The Bolsheviks were only one of many such groups - and their coming to power through an overt coup was obvious, but the paradox was that, speaking also for the destruction of Russia, they, by virtue of their faith in the possibility of building a state of workers and peasants on the basis of class brotherhood, rather than national prejudices, delayed the collapse of the Empire by more than 70 years. However - they didn’t hold it at all ...
  2. V.ic
    V.ic 14 March 2017 07: 31 New
    +9
    (C) Both the Provisional Government and the Petrosoviet were initially run by people of the “one team”.

    It was they who issued the notorious Order No. 1, and local / VO / bakers with foam dripping from their mouths, when discussing earlier articles on the theme of 1917, “kicked” the Bolsheviks, most likely experiencing an orgasm.
    (C) Two days after Order No. 2, the Executive Committee of the Petrosoviet again made a brief explanation-appeal to the troops, in which attention was drawn to discipline.

    ... ah, as is characteristic of "tiligents" = "I am not me and my horse is not mine!"
  3. IGOR GORDEEV
    IGOR GORDEEV 14 March 2017 07: 38 New
    0
    Imagine if Ivan the Terrible were in place of Nicholas II. Most likely, he would arrange a bloodletting for some citizens. But what would this result in the end?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 March 2017 11: 58 New
      +9
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
      Imagine if Ivan the Terrible were in place of Nicholas II. Most likely, he would arrange a bloodletting for some citizens. But what would this result in the end?

      If yes in place of the last Emperor would not be something Ivan the Terrible, nicknamed for cruelty by Vasilyevich, and even the crowned little dad Nicky - then he most likely would not have brought the country to 1917.
      And in the beginning of 1917 it was already too late to change anything: the clique of oligarchs, politicians and generals had already reached the finish line in their race for power, and the general situation in the country only helped them. Sadly, the government itself brought up those who threw it off - the same Guchkov rose well on military orders, and not only financially, but also in terms of PR.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 14 March 2017 07: 40 New
    +5
    After the October Revolution, N.D. Sokolov remained in Russia, working as a legal adviser to the Soviet government; worked in various Soviet institutions. The details of his biography during this period, alas, have not yet been studied. It is only known that this “fatal man of revolution” died in 1928 in Yalta.
    1. venaya
      venaya 14 March 2017 07: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      After the October Revolution, N.D. Sokolov stayed in Russia ... this diedfatal man of revolution"in 1928 in Yalta.

      It seems that someone reliably “protected” him even in the Soviet period. I recall that even in Soviet films he was heavily ridiculed, remember a man with a black blindfold on his eye.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 14 March 2017 07: 57 New
        +6
        Here is not a supporter of the theory of the "Masonic conspiracy" .. but such facts suggest that .. The historiography of the February Revolution reflects the role and activities of various parties and social movements, but the role of the Masons is silent ... or didn’t really play any role or. ..
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 14 March 2017 08: 50 New
          +1
          Here is not a supporter of the theory of the "Masonic conspiracy" .. but such facts are suggestive ..

          I wonder where the Masons are now. Here, it seems to exist, Wikipedia already mentions 4 millions of members. Where are these chilling gatherings with daggers and skulls, dark robes? In the age of the Internet and the availability of information, much less fried, something about them silence, as cut off. Maybe, at that time, these were already peculiar fashion clubs at the end of their existence, and now, I don’t understand what at all?
          1. Rivares
            Rivares 14 March 2017 14: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            I wonder where the Masons are now.

            Yes, nowhere to go. Sometimes even on sites unsubscribe. Just google a little need))
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 14 March 2017 15: 35 New
              +2
              belay I, I think, they then did something about this, but there were no social networks. Clowns.
  5. avva2012
    avva2012 14 March 2017 08: 01 New
    +3
    “After wild elemental anarchy, the street will fall, after that people of state experience, state mind, like us, will be called to power. Obviously, in memory of the fact that ... there was the 1848 year (that is, the revolution in France. - A. S.): the workers dumped, and then some rational people built power. ”

    In France there was a series of revolutions / rebellions, before "some reasonable people ...". And, that was just the beginning. As you know, but in France there is now 5 republic. "Reasonable people," then they were not entirely rational. Found even more reasonable wassat laughing A. I. Guchkov and the “protagonists of February” apparently lived in a spherical vacuum if they could compare the situation in France (the third republic after two empires) and Russia (the empire without changing the ruling dynasty for 300 years). In addition, and, more importantly, France: a mono-ethnic state with a single religion, and Russia, just the opposite. It is difficult for me to believe that the Guchkovs and Co. did not imagine the possible consequences of their decisions. In my opinion, consider them only pawns in the hands of Western players, limp and soulless, to put it mildly, an exaggeration. And about the world conspiracy, the presence of a kind, a megamind laughing, this is to specific specialists. The game was local, but fortunately not implemented.
  6. baudolino
    baudolino 14 March 2017 08: 43 New
    +2
    Why are "Masons" and not "Jewish Masons"? It sounds piquant.
    The mastery of the revolutionary hysteria of the masses is clearly visible on the Maidan. To confront her, she only needs to remember the oath and the law. As soon as an official violates the law and is not punished for it, the system of state power falls apart. Restoring order is again fraught with great blood.
    Nicholas the latter did not shed enough blood for the survival of the empire, and the Bolsheviks shed it excessively, for which they are now "kicked".
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 14 March 2017 09: 41 New
      +4
      Nicholas the latter did not shed enough blood for the survival of the empire, and the Bolsheviks shed it excessively, for which they are now "kicked".

      Do not tell me what is this measure? Where is the "Main Chamber of Weights and Measures" for determining the amount of bloodletting? Where did the Bolsheviks pour blood? If, you mean the Civil War, then it’s not a fact that the “Reds” come first and I don’t even think of the top three (unless of course you read Melgunov’s fake notes). "Destruction" of the peasantry and 100 millions of repressed, we will not discuss, right? Let the descendants of the “whites” with the current Westerners suck this topic up. Yes, I wonder where all these "descendants" came from if the terrible Bolsheviks managed to annihilate all five times? Paradox, Alone! laughing
  7. Olgovich
    Olgovich 14 March 2017 09: 13 New
    13
    The Bolshevik coup (with revolutionary consequences) on October 25 (November 7), 1917, became a fatal event to destroy the Russian state, which in turn led to a geopolitical civilizational catastrophe with various grave consequences, for example, demographic and the collapse of a great power. But this is a deliberate lie


    All this is an obvious TRUTH: the collapse of a great power in 91m is evident and the demographic catastrophe of the Russian people too. And ALL this happened with the complete and SINGLE leadership of the Bolsheviks. And they still don’t answer for it, yeah. Masons again. lol

    Let me remind the author: in April 17, a certain Ulyanov called Russia the MOST FREE COUNTRY in the world. And that the Provisional Government enjoys full the support of the people. And all this needs to be DESTROYED: establish the dictatorship of the minority, cancel army and the police, overthrow the VP. What he did: destroyed the Russian state.
    Thank God that there were people who had a goal (new project), a program and the will to create a Soviet civilization, which as a result would retain all the best that was in “old Russia”.

    It’s a disaster that power was seized by never-working large-sized squabblers and parasites, who had no idea either about the economy or about government, but knew how to lie beautifully about simple solutions to complex problems.
    taking responsibility

    NOBODY gave them this "responsibility" and did not give, but, on the contrary, took them away at the elections to the CSS
    started heavy and bloody путь

    Yes, there were many sheds of blood, one civil massacre started by the Bolsheviks - about 10 million people! Many, many millions who died of starvation in the center of Europe, corpse eating and cannibalism, dispossessed and deprived — and all again by millions. The result is the 1964 depopulation of Russians, the beginning of the 90s-Russian Cross. And again, the ruling communists have nothing to do with it.
    to create a Soviet civilization, which eventually keep in itself all the best that was in the "old Russia".

    Aha: the speech, apparently, is about the Monument to the Heroes of Plevna, inside which the authorities arranged a public toilet (plates with the names of the dead heroes are installed there) and about the blown up main monuments of the military Glory of Russia on the Borodino field and the bones of Prince Bagration scattered by the explosion of the grave. And also about the destroyed half of the monuments-buildings of the Moscow Kremlin and throughout Russia. About the destroyed Cathedral of Christ the Savior, etc.
    “Saved,” yes.
    Then, a little change of mind, but how much irrevocably gone ....
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 March 2017 12: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: Olgovich
      It’s a disaster that power was seized by never-working large-sized squabblers and parasites, who had no idea either about the economy or about government, but knew how to lie beautifully about simple solutions to complex problems.

      Are you talking about those who, in 8 months, changed four members of the government and reduced the controlled territory to the size of their residence? Or about those who, in the sixth month of their reign, could not find a single unit that was true to themselves and to suppress the military coup and armed the illegal armed groups of their political opponents? Or about those for whom all 8 months, 30 kilometers from the residence, there was a naval fortress beyond the control of the government (I’m not talking about control over the fleet that defended the capital)? smile
      Yes, full support by the people of the Provisional Government is evident. And especially the people fell in love with the Temporary workers after the head of this government spoke about the return of the abolished death penalty.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 March 2017 12: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RA
        then you are talking about those who, in 8 months, changed four members of the government and reduced the controlled territory to the size of their residence?


        I made myself clear, about whom. The first composition of the so-called "Council of People's Commissars" is a gathering of overweight loafers. for his considerable life who didn’t earn a penny and his head, the hereditary nobleman Ulyanov, who was already bald, wrote: "Mom, SEND MONEY!" They could not be entrusted to run a mare, not that the state

        Temporary production was not ideal, but its purpose was to conduct Uchr. Meetings, which it carried out .. Further, the Constituent Assembly and its executive body, supported by ALL the people, resolved ALL issues (including those that you mentioned).
        1. Operator
          Operator 14 March 2017 13: 30 New
          +6
          You have a characteristic clause in the last sentence - the “by” particle is missing.

          In general, your logic is credible: the Masonic Presidium of the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet breaks up the state’s base with its criminal order No. 1 (and this is during the World War), then smoothly moves to the Government, destroys the unity of the country (autonomy of Ukraine and Finland), and as a result declares that the Constituent Assembly will solve the mess, which by its status is the only one that can accept a paper document - the Constitution. I wonder how much time it would have taken for a mottled CSS to draw up and agree on this document?

          It is clearly seen how in the place of Russia various Ukraine, Muscovy, Cossacks, the Urals, Siberian, Far Eastern and other super-democratic states would have arisen, and the Constituent Assembly would still rage and sway over the draft "All-Russian" Constitution.

          The idiocy of setting the constitutional process (cart) ahead of emergency measures of the executive power (horse) is clearly visible from the practice of the opponents of the Provisional Government - the Bolsheviks: they first with their government decrees prevented the collapse of the state and the army, and only then worried about the adoption of the Constitution.

          But, of course, the point was not the idiocy of the Provisional Government, but its latent intention to destroy the Russian state as such under the guise of a smoke screen of the Constituent Assembly. This was demanded by customers - Jewish bankers from London.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 14 March 2017 13: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: Operator
            You have a characteristic clause in the last sentence - the “by” particle is missing.

            You and the Russians are in trouble: this is a statement where “would not” apply.
            Quote: Operator
            In general, your logic is credible: the Masonic Presidium of the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet breaks up the state’s base with its criminal order No. 1 (and this is during the World War), then smoothly moves to the Government, destroys the unity of the country (autonomy of Ukraine and Finland), and as a result declares that the Constituent Assembly will solve the mess, which by its status is the only one that can accept a paper document - the Constitution. I wonder how much time it would have taken for a mottled CSS to draw up and agree on this document?


            Absolutely ALL decisions should have been made by the CSS and this was stated not in the end, but in the beginning.
            The CSS was also appointed by the Government (executive branch). And for day The work passed the Law on Land and the Republic. And planned to solve ALL the issues of Russia
            Quote: Operator
            The idiocy of staging the constitutional process (cart) ahead of emergency measures of the executive branch (horse) is clearly visible from the practice of the opponents of the Provisional Government - the Bolsheviks: they are first their government decrees stopped the collapse of the state and the army, and only then they attended to the adoption of the Constitution.
            Read the decrees of owls. power about the world (collapse of the army and the country), decree on the ELECTION of commanders (yes, that was not in order 1), a telegram to the regiments (!) about the armistice (collapse of the army), a declaration of the rights of peoples (collapse of the country), an appeal to the Ukrainian people about the recognition of the Ukrainian Republic (the collapse of the country), etc.
            Quote: Operator
            But, of course, the point was not the idiocy of the Provisional Government, but its latent intention to destroy the Russian state as such under the guise of a smoke screen of the Constituent Assembly. This was demanded by customers - Jewish bankers from London.


            Read the election ballot Inst. Meetings are for fun. The country had great hopes for its work and the end of the turmoil, but ....
            1. Operator
              Operator 14 March 2017 14: 25 New
              +8
              You do not need to teach me the Russian language while in Moldova: your phrase "Further, the Constituent Assembly and its executive body, supported by ALL people, solved ALL questions" contains the verb "solved" in the present perfect tense - in what such an alternative history is the Constitutional Court and its executive body managed to solve at least one question?

              And where do you get so enthusiastic that a bunch of unprepared citizens, adherents of different parties and ideologies, could instantly adopt at least the Constitution of the country, and not push their throats for the nth number of months / years?

              And by the way, in the case of the Constitutional Council, by definition, there is no executive body; Which also had to be chosen - on the principle of "Cola urine, start over."

              In general, it seems that you are the CSS, since only you have the sacred knowledge of what questions it could solve in an alternative history.

              The actions of the Soviet government after the October Revolution were absolutely effective and, most importantly, nationally oriented - the country maintained unity, sovereignty, built the second economy in the world, created the world's first nuclear missile potential, and forever decided to protect the country from any aggressor.

              By the way, it was the Soviet government that compensated for the territorial losses of the country represented by the regions of Poland and Finland by acquiring the regions of East Prussia, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.

              I am reluctant to give details of the actions of the Provisional Government to authorize the separation of Poland, Ukraine and other regions from Russia in the form of non-resistance to various Rada, regional governments, etc.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 14 March 2017 14: 43 New
                +4
                Quote: Operator
                And where do you get so enthusiastic that a bunch of unprepared citizens, adherents of different parties and ideologies, could instantly adopt at least the Constitution of the country, and not push their throats for the nth number of months / years?
                And by the way, in the case of the Constitutional Council, by definition, there is no executive body; Which also had to be chosen - on the principle of "Cola urine, start over."
                In general, it seems that you are the CSS, since only you have the sacred knowledge of what questions it could solve in an alternative history.
                The actions of the Soviet government after the October Revolution were absolutely effective and, most importantly, nationally oriented - the country maintained unity, sovereignty, built the second economy in the world, created the world's first nuclear missile potential, and forever decided to protect the country from any aggressor.
                By the way, it was the Soviet government that compensated for the territorial losses of the country represented by the regions of Poland and Finland by acquiring the regions of East Prussia, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
                I am reluctant to give details of the actions of the Provisional Government to authorize the separation of Poland, Ukraine and other regions from Russia in the form of non-resistance to various Rada, regional governments, etc.


                Read at least something about CSS and its tasks.
                Quote: Operator
                I am reluctant to give details of the actions of the Provisional Government to authorize the separation of Poland, Ukraine and other regions from Russia in the form of non-resistance to various Rada, regional governments, etc.

                And I am reluctant to refute the same nonsense a thousand times.

                ALL INDEPENDENCE - AFTER the October Revolution is a FACT
                1. Operator
                  Operator 14 March 2017 18: 03 New
                  +4
                  The facts:

                  1. 715 deputies were elected to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, incl. Party of Social Revolutionaries (Right Social Revolutionaries) - 239, Party of People's Socialists - 32, Socialists from National Unions - 103, RSDLP (b) - 159, Party of Socialists-Revolutionaries (Left SRs) - 40.
                  Thus, the majority in the VUS was occupied by right-wing socialists - the 374 deputy.

                  2. In accordance with a decree of the second composition of the Provisional Government - the Council of People's Commissars, the WMC quorum was established in the number of 400 deputies. The only session of the Supreme Administrative Court was held on January 18 of 1918 of the new style. At the opening of the meeting was attended by 410 deputies, of which 155 were Bolsheviks and Left Socialist Revolutionaries.

                  3. Due to disagreements on the agenda, the Bolsheviks and Left Socialist Revolutionaries left the meeting. The remaining 255 delegates did not constitute the WMC quorum, so their vote on the decision on the legal form of the state, the land law and the appeal to foreign states to end hostilities is illegitimate.

                  4. On 19 of January 1918 of the year, the Bolsheviks and Left Socialist-Revolutionaries decreed the All-Russian Central Executive Committee by decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and transferred it to the All-Russian Congress of Soviets as part of measures to establish the power of the Soviets in the country.

                  So the attempt of the VAS to go beyond its competence (defining the foundations of the political system and adopting the Constitution), proclaimed by the first composition of the Provisional Government and being a directive to the elected deputies, ended in nothing.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 14 March 2017 20: 11 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Operator
                    . In accordance with a decree of the second composition of the Provisional Government - the Council of People's Commissars, the VUS quorum was established in the amount of 400 deputies


                    Read the ORIGINS and much will be revealed to you:
                    From dekreta
                    2. The meeting shall be opened by a person authorized by the Council of People's Commissars, with at least four hundred members of the Constituent Assembly in the courtroom.

                    . 1. 410 deputies gathered, everything, the opening took place. And then, almost half can safely leave, in the majority of places for decision making IS. If you don’t know, today at the State Duma meetings it’s also important that more than half of the deputies have ..

                    2. so-called Sovnarkom-NOBODY and NOTHING to establish "quorums." Let Pupkin establish some quorum.

                    The present VP and its bodies did not appoint any quorum; they appointed a date for the Meeting. The assembled deputies were dispersed and partly arrested.

                    Quote: Operator
                    Due to disagreements on the agenda, the Bolsheviks and Left Socialist Revolutionaries left the meeting. The remaining 255 delegates did not constitute the WMC quorum


                    Someone Ulyanov, dispersing the CSS, for some reason did NOT use such an "iron" argument, realizing that this was nonsense. He cited another nonsense as a reason for the dispersal and usurpation of power. Probably worse than today's admirers ...

                    Quote: Operator
                    4. On 19 of January 1918 of the year, the Bolsheviks and Left Socialist-Revolutionaries decreed the All-Russian Central Executive Committee by decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and transferred it to the All-Russian Congress of Soviets as part of measures to establish the power of the Soviets in the country.


                    VTsiK-nothing and no one, like the so-called power Tips, "elected" secretly, not universally, unequally and unfree, i.e. complete nonsense.

                    There was an armed seizure of power by a minority that did not express the opinion of the people, resulting in innumerable disasters for the country.
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 14 March 2017 20: 45 New
                      +5
                      1. You do not understand the meaning of what I wrote and quoted by you - the number of elected deputies of the Supreme Military Council is 715, therefore, the quorum for decision-making is equal to 358 people.
                      400 person is the threshold for the opening of the first meeting of the Supreme Administrative Court, which is written in clear Russian language in the decree of the VP-SNK.

                      2. On the day of the February Revolution, the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies was formed (in the image and likeness of the Soviet authorities of the 1905 model of the year) with a permanent Executive Committee. Only a few days later the Provisional Government was created by a joint decision of the Provisional Committee of the State Duma and the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet.
                      Consequently, the Provisional Committee and the Executive Committee in relation to the Provisional Government were higher authorities. After the self-dissolution of the Provisional Committee, the Petrograd Soviet and its Executive Committee became the supreme body of state power.
                      After the first All-Russian Congress was held in October 1917 by the Petrograd Soviet, the Council was the first to delegate all the rights of the highest body in the state.
                      The All-Russian Congress of Soviets for the time between their sessions elected the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, to which he delegated all his powers.
                      All decrees of the VP-SNK, including the decree on the new composition of the VP-SNK, the decree on the number of deputies of the WUS for the opening of the first meeting and the decree on the dissolution of the WUS, were approved by the All-Russian Central Executive Committee.

                      So everything was done very cleanly from the point of view of state law, with the exception of the February Revolution as such.
                      1. Pancer
                        Pancer 14 March 2017 21: 23 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Operator
                        All decrees of the VP-SNK, including the decree on the new composition of the VP-SNK, the decree on the number of deputies of the WUS for the opening of the first meeting and the decree on the dissolution of the WUS, were approved by the All-Russian Central Executive Committee.
                        So everything was done very cleanly from the point of view of state law, with the exception of the February Revolution as such.


                        Do not ... you do not convince someone about whom it is said like this- "
                        A smart face is not a sign of mind, gentlemen. All the stupid things on earth are done with this very expression. "
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 14 March 2017 22: 04 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Operator
                        1. You do not understand the meaning of what I wrote and quoted by you - the number of elected deputies of the Supreme Military Council is 715, therefore, the quorum for decision-making is equal to 358 people.


                        Do not invent something that was NOT legally recorded anywhere.
                        400 people - this is the threshold for the opening of the first meeting of the Supreme Administrative Court, which is written in clear Russian language in the decree of the VP-SNK

                        In clear language it is written about the OPENING of the meeting, the word first-missing..
                        Quote: Operator
                        2. On the day of the February Revolution, the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies was formed (in the image and likeness of the Soviet authorities of the 1905 model) with a permanent Executive Committee. Only a few days later the Provisional Government was created joint decision of the Provisional Committee of the State Duma and the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Council.

                        You do not know the subject.
                        Quote: Operator
                        Consequently, the Provisional Committee and the Executive Committee in relation to the Provisional Government were higher authorities.

                        There were no higher “authorities” for the EaP.
                        Quote: Operator
                        After being held in October 1917 The Petrograd Soviet of the first All-Russian Congress by the Council the latter was the first to be delegated all the rights of the highest authority in the state.

                        You do not know the subject. Read.
                        Quote: Operator
                        All decrees of the VP-SNK, including the decree on the new composition of the VP-SNK, the decree on the number of deputies of the WUS for the opening of the first meeting and the decree on the dissolution of the WUS, were approved by the All-Russian Central Executive Committee.

                        This is generally beyond reason. The VP was overthrown by the Bolsheviks and a full-time SNK was created, which has nothing to do with any recognized VP.
            2. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 14 March 2017 14: 40 New
              +8
              The interim government deliberately ruined the country and the army! On March 29, 1917, the Provisional Government, quite unexpectedly for many, issued a statement on the "independent Polish state." The revolution at that time was not yet a month old; the Provisional Government existed for only 14 days. Why, in such a hurry, did you have to resolve the issue of the territorial integrity of the country?
            3. murriou
              murriou 15 March 2017 04: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Olgovich
              it was declared not in the end, but in the beginning.

              You’re kind of an adult-looking person, and such a naive-naive laughing

              Yes, there were statements, but what about their implementation? To promise to marry does not mean to marry, it is time to know.
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 14 March 2017 13: 38 New
          +3
          belay "Mom, SEND MONEY." But how did the Germans pay little to their spy? How is that?! laughing laughing laughing
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 14 March 2017 14: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: avva2012
            belay "Mom, SEND MONEY." But how did the Germans pay little to their spy? How is that?! laughing laughing laughing

            He was accepted into the spies later, during the war, and here he turned around. yes
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 14 March 2017 14: 31 New
              +6
              darling Olgovich, and didn’t the Bolsheviks save Russia in the framework of the USSR, defeat the whites and interventionists, and then the Nazis! they created a superpower! belay
              1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 14 March 2017 19: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                Did not the Bolsheviks save Russia within the USSR

                Ulyanov and Dzhugashvili declared that the USSR is not Russia, but The world's first state of the dictatorship of the proletariat
              2. F.NN
                F.NN 15 March 2017 01: 51 New
                +4
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                but did not the Bolsheviks save Russia in the framework of the USSR

                Stumble. At first they ruined Russia. Then part of it was given to Germans and other Poles with Finns. And then, it turns out, "they kept within the framework of the USSR." Get rid of the logic. However, the usual, for the looking glass. They have all the upside down.
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                and interventionists

                And the interventionists! And where did they get the interventionists?
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                and then the Nazis!

                I just want to remind you just in case that the USSR, as an independent "player" in Europe, ceased to exist on September 24.09.1941, 2. Then he entered XNUMXMB on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. This actually ended the war, which can be called the Great Patriotic War. Because the nature of the war has changed radically since that date. And that was another war. Quite another. But the people were not informed of this prudently. They knew what it threatened with.
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                have created a superpower!

                Also a superpower! And when did you manage? And where did you create it? On what lands and territories?
                You are talking nonsense from agitprop. And you believe in it yourself.
                Superpower in darn pants, damn it.
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 14 March 2017 15: 47 New
              +4
              Olgovich: he was accepted into the spies later ...
              Do you really keep the General Staff of Germany for the underdeveloped? Who would become involved with insignificance? Your logic is lame, like all anti-advisers. You have a difficult job to manage to fool the Soviet past, to prove that a socially oriented state is worse than the beauty that we now have. And even then, if not the Soviet past, there would be no such thing. And V.I. Lenin was a great man and the truth. And the fact that you or someone else, judge by yourself, this is understandable, only you will not be taken to spies. Annoyance?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 14 March 2017 20: 17 New
                +3
                Quote: avva2012
                Do you really keep the General Staff of Germany for the underdeveloped? Who would become involved with insignificance? Your logic is lame, like all anti-advisers. You have a difficult job to manage to fool the Soviet past, to prove that a socially oriented state is worse than the beauty that we now have. And even then, if not the Soviet past, there would be no such thing. And V.I. Lenin was a great man and the truth.


                The result of Ulyanov and others: the collapse of a great power in 91m and the demographic catastrophe of the Russian people -Russian Cross. And ALL of this happened with the full and ONE leadership of the Bolsheviks.

                Quote: avva2012
                And the fact that you or someone else judge by yourself, this is understandable, t.

                Focus on myself and in the Article (as prescribed by the rules of VO) hi
                1. Pancer
                  Pancer 14 March 2017 20: 24 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The result of Ulyanov and others: the collapse of a great power in 91m and the demographic catastrophe of the Russian people - the Russian Cross.

                  Frank lies. The so-called Russian cross arose after the counter-revolution of Yeltsin.
                  Not tired of lying?
                  Focus on yourself - a pathological craving for lies never ends well for someone who is constantly lying.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 14 March 2017 20: 34 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Pancer
                    Frank lies. The so-called Russian cross arose after the counter-revolution of Yeltsin.


                    The Russian Cross was built by the Bolsheviks from their first days. All generations born after 1910 that entered life in the late 20s no longer reproduced themselves.
                    В 1964 the year began the depopulation of the Russian people, the Russian cross-92 year.
                    There are articles on Demoscope, read. D. Murzik remembers
                    Quote: Pancer
                    Not tired of lying?
                    Focus on yourself - a pathological craving for lies never ends well for someone who is constantly lying.


                    Do not lie. Rather, enlighten, then perhaps it will brighten.
                    1. Pancer
                      Pancer 14 March 2017 20: 41 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The Russian Cross was built by the Bolsheviks from their first days. All generations born after 1910 that entered life in the late 20s no longer reproduced themselves.

                      Not tired of lying?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Russian cross-92 year.
                      -Yeltsin and his gop company are responsible for this. Including people like you.

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Rather, enlighten, then perhaps it will brighten.

                      Are you yourself?
                      You’re lying so much that you can’t see the gaps.
                      Learn
                      Uncle Murzik Today, 14:27
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      darling Olgovich, you again have an alternative story! Another myth about demography in the USSR Olgovich Population The population of the USSR in 1976 was 6,4% of the global population. The population of the USSR (within modern borders) changed as follows (million people): 86,3 as of January 1, 1870; 124,6 on January 1, 1897; 159,2 at the end of 1913; 194,1 on January 1, 1940; 178,5 on January 1, 1950; 208,8 on January 15, 1959; 241,7 on January 15, 1970; 257,9 on January 1, 1977. Despite the enormous losses associated with the two world wars and the Civil War, the population grew quite rapidly. By 1940, there were 22% more inhabitants in the USSR than in Russia in 1913. During the Great Patriotic War of 1941–45, direct losses of the USSR amounted to over 20 million people .; indirect losses were also great (a decrease in the birth rate and an increase in mortality). The pre-war population was restored only by 1955. Over the next 21 years, the population increased by 61,1 million people, or 31,4%. By 1976, the population of the USSR increased by 1913% compared with 60,6.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 14 March 2017 20: 53 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Pancer
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The Russian Cross was built by the Bolsheviks from their first days. All generations born after 1910 that entered life in the late 20s no longer reproduced themselves.
                        Not tired of lying?
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Russian cross-92 year.
                        -Yeltsin and his gop company are responsible for this. Including people like you.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Rather, enlighten, then perhaps it will brighten.
                        Are you yourself?
                        You’re lying so much that you can’t see the gaps.
                        Learn
                        Uncle Murzik Today, 14:27
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        darling Olgovich, you again have an alternative story! Another myth about demography in the USSR Olgovich Population The population of the USSR in 1976 was 6,4% of the global population. The population of the USSR (within modern borders) changed as follows (million people): 86,3 as of January 1, 1870; 124,6 on January 1, 1897; 159,2 at the end of 1913; 194,1 on January 1, 1940; 178,5 on January 1, 1950; 208,8 on January 15, 1959; 241,7 on January 15, 1970; 257,9 on January 1, 1977. Despite the enormous losses associated with the two world wars and the Civil War, the population grew quite rapidly. By 1940, there were 22% more inhabitants in the USSR than in Russia in 1913. During the Great Patriotic War of 1941–45, direct losses of the USSR amounted to over 20 million people .; indirect losses were also great (a decrease in the birth rate and an increase in mortality). The pre-war population was restored only by 1955. Over the next 21 years, the population increased by 61,1 million people, or 31,4%. By 1976, the population of the USSR increased by 1913% compared with 60,6.


                        Do not want to KNOW-no need.
                2. avva2012
                  avva2012 15 March 2017 02: 53 New
                  +4
                  Focus on yourself and on the Article ....
                  Olgovich, I would concentrate, but those like you are in the way. You, about the Russian cross from post to post, mention this for what? Add yourself a sort of halo? It seems that you are Russian and on the cross the same. Which one are you Russian? Anti-adviser. A very warm company has gathered in your ranks. There are a lot of you. Active and passive. Bandera and Vlasovites. In addition to hatred of Russians, Russia, there is a single symptom, a problem with logic. What relation does the Bolshevik party of 1917 have to do with the CPSU of 1991, in fact, and not by formal grounds? You are trying to influence emotions using an analogy that is not appropriate in this situation. The time is different, people. An organization, like a human body, is born, grows and dies. The CPSU, in 1991, is a corpse.
            3. Nukesmoke
              Nukesmoke 14 March 2017 21: 49 New
              +1
              Tell me, actions in the interests of other powers with the support of these - espionage?
              1. murriou
                murriou 28 March 2017 11: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: Nukesmoke
                Tell me, actions in the interests of other powers with the support of these - espionage?

                The actions of the tsarist generals and admirals, who purged purely Russian-Japanese and many battles of the First World War - espionage? laughing

                The actions of members of the imperial family, who unbalanced the state treasury of Russia and its defense funds, including personally, of His Imperial Nothingness of dunce-the last - espionage?
                1. Nukesmoke
                  Nukesmoke 28 March 2017 20: 07 New
                  0
                  There is rather a betrayal. But Sasha with a compass has pure espionage.
        3. murriou
          murriou 15 March 2017 04: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Temporary production was not ideal, but its purpose was to conduct Uchr. Meetings, which it fulfilled

          Yes? And how did the EaP strive for the elections in the CSS, and did not sabotage them, having appropriated the functions and powers of this government, and not wanting to part with them?
    2. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 14 March 2017 14: 27 New
      +5
      darling Olgovich, you again have an alternative story! Another myth about demography in the USSR Olgovich belay Population The population of the USSR in 1976 was 6,4% of the global population. The population of the USSR (within modern borders) changed as follows (million people): 86,3 as of January 1, 1870; 124,6 on January 1, 1897; 159,2 at the end of 1913; 194,1 on January 1, 1940; 178,5 on January 1, 1950; 208,8 on January 15, 1959; 241,7 on January 15, 1970; 257,9 on January 1, 1977. Despite the enormous losses associated with the two world wars and the Civil War, the population grew quite rapidly. By 1940, the USSR had 22% more inhabitants than Russia in 1913. During the Great Patriotic War of 1941–45, direct losses of the USSR amounted to over 20 million people .; indirect losses were also great (a decrease in the birth rate and an increase in mortality). The pre-war population was restored only by 1955. Over the next 21 years, the population increased by 61,1 million people, or 31,4%. By 1976, the population of the USSR increased by 1913% compared with 60,6. lol
    3. murriou
      murriou 15 March 2017 04: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      the collapse of the great power in 91m is evident and the demographic catastrophe of the Russian people too.

      And there is great power * alternative talent * some individuals who accuse the USSR and the Communists of what happened after the destruction of the USSR and the overthrow of the Communists - but for some reason Nicolaška is not accused of the consequences of the revolution, which became the logical result of his reign.
  8. Serge72
    Serge72 14 March 2017 10: 01 New
    21
    Advocating a similar mythology, the author wants to show that some revolutionaries are bad and others are good. And revolutionaries are always and everywhere the same in thoughts, and especially in actions.
    Regarding the collapse of the army, Order No. 1 and the Declaration of Rights, one can note this.
    Firstly, the so-called The Provisional Government of the RR is an interconnected union of the State Duma Committee and the Petrosoviet. There was virtually no diarchy: many decision makers were members of both the Provisional Government and the Petrograd Soviet (for example, Chernov and Kerensky). And the actions of both bodies were aimed at defeating the army - as forces on the path to seizing power by any party.
    Secondly, General Denikin did write that it was not the Bolsheviks who ruined the army - he noted that they "worms" wound up in her body at a later stage and completed this process.
    At a certain stage, all parties and movements helped each other - after all, the state had to be shaken. It was only a matter of which parties dominated at a certain stage and what legal and factual opportunities they had.
    So the question is only in semitones. The Russian army interfered with all parties - and its destruction was a matter of time.
    And thank God that later there were such statesmen as I.V. Stalin, who utilized the revolutionaries and “heroes” of the revolution and the Civil War, giving impetus to the development of our country.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 14 March 2017 10: 28 New
      +4
      ... that some revolutionaries are bad and others are good. And revolutionaries are always and everywhere the same in thought, and especially in actions ....
      And thank God that later there were such statesmen as I.V. Stalin, who utilized the revolutionaries and “heroes” of the revolution and the Civil War, giving impetus to the development of our country.

      There is a certain deceit, free or not free in such statements. I mean, about I.V. Stalin. Somehow, the opinion that I.V. Stalin was almost the new emperor who fought with the revolutionaries. Strange, in my opinion, thesis. I.V. Stalin was a revolutionary, a loyal Leninist and a Marxist, if anyone forgot. An attempt on the figure of I.V. Stalin, again try on the Imperials and the Bolsheviks, like white and red, stupidity is utter. The Great October Socialist Revolution created a new socially just society, destroying the estates and parasitic classes. This is an axiom. And headed by I.V. Stalin did not fight the revolutionaries and the heroes of the Civil War, but those who forgot that he was a Marxist, with those who wanted to become the new exploiting class, that is, to betray the cause of the Revolution.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 14 March 2017 12: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: avva2012
        I.V. Stalin was a revolutionary, a loyal Leninist and a Marxist, if anyone forgot.

        In words - yes, for otherwise it would have been eaten by her own pack of comrades.
        And in terms of true revolutionaries and fiery Bolsheviks Comrade Stalin was a counterrevolutionary and compromiser with world imperialism, who sold the World Revolution case for the possibility of building socialism in the USSR — that was exactly what Comrade Trotsky characterized him, who judged Stalin’s position not by words but by deeds. smile
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 14 March 2017 12: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexey RA Comrade Trotsky, who judged Stalin’s position not by words, but by deeds.

          I would not take seriously the words of Trotsky, especially in relation to I.V. Stalin. Loser, what can I say. laughing In my opinion, if it were not for the nuclear weapons of the Americans about the production of which, as they say, the leadership of the USSR knew back in the 1943 year, then I.V. Stalin explained to world imperialism in 1945 all the advantages of building socialism not only in a single country. winked And if world imperialism didn’t let Hitler’s chain dog in 1941, he could have known a little earlier. IMHO. smile
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 14 March 2017 16: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: avva2012
            I would not take seriously the words of Trotsky, especially in relation to I.V. Stalin. Loser, what can I say.

            That is yes. However, citizen Bronstein was also revolutionary, faithful Leninist and Marxist. And not only theorist, but also the practitioner at considerable posts.
            Quote: avva2012
            In my opinion, if it were not for the nuclear weapons of the Americans about the production of which, as they say, the leadership of the USSR knew back in the 1943 year, then I.V. Stalin explained to world imperialism in 1945 all the advantages of building socialism not only in a single country.

            Throwing a war-drained army with 1/3 full-time divisions against fresh units of the Anglo-American coalition (plus a reserve of captured Germans)? Having no air superiority at altitudes above 5 km? And having practically exhausted the mobresource of the USSR? Joseph Vissarionovich obviously would not go for that.
            The scenario of such a war was repeatedly analyzed on the same VIF2-NE. And it turned out that after the initial successes, the Soviet units were left without fuel and shells - because the Allies simply stupidly hammer out railway junctions by iron and destroy the UAB bridges. And the USSR simply has nothing to work against the “fortresses” at their favorite heights.
            However. and without the Allied opposition, the Soviet Union was not quick to deliver: for the accumulation of supplies and the supply of replenishment for the same Berlin operation, it took 2,5 months. And then not everywhere in time. However, this is not surprising - the railways managed to alter just 1 branch for each of the fronts.
            In addition, in 1945, the atomic bomb was perceived only as a "very large bomb." And the IVS should have known that the United States has very few of these bombs. But instead of building a pan-European socialist state, he decided to collaborate a little more with the accursed imperialists.
            By the way, the buns from this broke off sickly - one purchase of jet engines from the British is worth it. In fact, all of our taxiways came out of Nin and Dervent. How did the Yankees later swear in Korea ... smile
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 14 March 2017 16: 56 New
              +2
              So, is JV Stalin right or Trotsky? In my opinion, the answer is obvious. To fantasize about what would happen if yes if not. Maybe the Chinese would have armed through the Bering Strait. Maybe the leader did not think about anything like that. The main thing is that he has preserved and even expanded the country. Well, something that I left to posterity and we still use those buns. hi
            2. Operator
              Operator 14 March 2017 18: 26 New
              0
              I.V. Stalin in the 1945-47 years was strictly guided by the decisions of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences and did not plan a military conflict with the United States, Britain and France, regardless of the presence or absence of nuclear weapons in the United States.

              The USSR in Europe acted in the framework of the zone of influence established for it - it simply would not have digested more, even if it had started the war and reached the Atlantic (in the hypothetical case of the absence of nuclear weapons from the USA). The Soviet Union needed to raise the level of its economy and at the same time feed the countries of people's democracy with a ruined economy. Plus, the USSR had a weight hanging task to ensure the victory of the Communists over the Kuomintang in China.

              The USSR should have fought better in the 1941 year - with little blood on foreign territory, then one could have counted on including all of Europe in the Soviet zone of influence.
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 14 March 2017 16: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And from the point of view of true revolutionaries and fiery Bolsheviks, Comrade Stalin was a counterrevolutionary and compromiser with world imperialism, who sold the World Revolution case for the possibility of building socialism in the USSR - that was exactly what Comrade Trotsky characterized him, who judged Stalin’s position not by words but by deeds

          There is a certain misunderstanding.
          1) A revolutionary is someone who wants to fundamentally change the public order in a particular country. That is, this definition does not tell us anything about the substantive side of the matter, about how exactly he wants to change it. And Jesus Christ was a revolutionary, and Oliver Cromwell is a revolutionary. And Joseph Stalin is a revolutionary, but they can’t be piled in one way. For example, O. Cromwell is a bourgeois revolutionary, And Stalin a socialist revolutionary are both real revolutionaries, but the distance between them is enormous.
          2) Speaking specifically about Comrade Stalin, he was a socialist revolutionary, a Bolshevik, considered himself a student of Comrade Lenin, and his argument with Trotsky about the world revolution did not interfere with this.
          3) If we talk about the world socialist revolution, then Comrade Stalin never refused it, the essence of their dispute with Trotsky in the sequence of actions in achieving the world revolution and Russia's place in this revolution.
          The rejection of the idea of ​​a world revolution and the transition to a policy of "peaceful coexistence" with the cap. Countries took place under Khrushchev, and this just became a catastrophic mistake because such a "peaceful existence" is simply impossible. The cap. Countries were not going to "coexist peacefully" and not for a second against the USSR did not stop.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 14 March 2017 16: 36 New
            +1
            Stalin never considered himself a student of Comrade Lenin, and what does it mean that Stalin was a socialist revolutionary? not quite clear.
            And that list of the first revolutionaries that you brought is also somehow confusing, .....bourgeois revolutionary, socialist revolutionary ....
            The first revolutionary, the inspirer, so to speak, was Satan, not I said that, there is such an opinion.
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 14 March 2017 17: 55 New
              +4
              Quote: bober1982
              Stalin never considered himself a student of Comrade Lenin

              belay Stalin (interrupting Molotov): Nonsense! I have no students. We are all students of the great Lenin. Plenum of the Central Committee 1952.
              This is the basis of ideology until 1956 — Comrade Stalin is a loyal student and successor to Comrade Lenin’s work.
              Quote: bober1982
              and what does it mean Stalin was a socialist revolutionary? not quite clear.

              I wrote. A revolutionary is a form, a socialist is a content. Was Cromwell a true revolutionary? It was. And Comrade Stalin was. Is it possible to say that Mr. Cromwell and Comrade Stalin held the same views? No, they held different (even opposing) views. Why? Because one of them is a bourgeois revolutionary, and the other socialist ..
              Quote: bober1982
              The first revolutionary, the inspirer, so to speak, was Satan, not I said that, there is such an opinion.

              From a theological point of view, it is absolutely true. Satan was the first to challenge the existing world order and wanted to change it in a revolutionary order.
              True, if you go with such trump cards, you can object that the deeds of the Lord God to create the world from nothing can also be considered a revolution. So Satan is only "number two."
              True, both God and Satan are revolutionaries of a much more global scale. They changed (or wanted to change) the whole universe, and not just the socio-economic formation.
              This, I repeat, theologically speaking ..
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 14 March 2017 18: 27 New
                0
                Can one get confused who was whose student, and Marx was whose teacher? On theological issues it is probably better not to argue, we speak different languages, we do not understand each other.
          2. Operator
            Operator 14 March 2017 18: 32 New
            0
            Everything is simple: I. Stalin was a national revolutionary, L. Trotsky was an international revolutionary.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 14 March 2017 18: 38 New
              0
              And in Ukraine, what revolutionaries? their legion there.
              1. Operator
                Operator 14 March 2017 18: 42 New
                +1
                There are no revolutionaries left in Ukraine, there are only counterrevolutionaries laughing
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 14 March 2017 18: 44 New
                  0
                  I agree that this is when some devour others, which we are literally observing now, all according to the laws of the revolution.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 14 March 2017 18: 47 New
                    +1
                    I had in mind a little different - an attempt to revenge Bandera in order to replay the outcome of the civil war in Ukraine (which the Soviet government won).
              2. Odysseus
                Odysseus 14 March 2017 21: 30 New
                +4
                Quote: bober1982
                And in Ukraine, what revolutionaries? their legion there.

                They are not there at all. In Ukraine, the conflict is not of a social class, but of a geopolitical and worldview character.
                The essence of the Maidan coup is the transition of Ukraine from the category of a neutral (post-Soviet) state to the category of territory controlled by the United States. Moreover, Russia was able to recapture the Crimea and part of Donbass from the West.
                From a social point of view, nothing has changed in Ukraine. At the head was the oligarchic clan of Yanukovych, now the clan of Valtsman (Poroshenko)
                .What is the difference ? Yes, nothing.
                It is the geopolitical and worldview nature of the events that are very clearly seen in the example of who is fighting against whom in the Donbas, and who supports whom in this conflict.
                There, the union of "scoops and quilted jackets" that is, pro-Soviet and pro-Russian forces together oppose the pro-European forces from local oligarchs, Bandera and "witnesses to the sect of a visa-free regime."
            2. Odysseus
              Odysseus 14 March 2017 20: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              Everything is simple: I. Stalin was a national revolutionary, L. Trotsky was an international revolutionary.

              Comrade Stalin believed that Russia could become not only the starting point, but also the basis for the world revolution, moreover, its center.
              For Trotsky, this is unacceptable since he considered it a continuation of the old policy of Russian tsarism, and on a global scale.
              1. Operator
                Operator 14 March 2017 23: 37 New
                +1
                I. Stalin evolved from an international revolutionary at the beginning of his political career to a national revolutionary at its end.

                After WWII, I. Stalin rejected the proposal to enter Manchuria into the USSR - in June 1949, during the visit of the Chinese delegation led by Liu Shaotsi to Moscow, a member of the delegation, curator of Manchuria Gao Gang proposed to include it as a union republic in the USSR.

                In addition, I. Stalin consistently rejected the requests of Mao Zedong to unleash the Soviet-American war in order to spread communist regimes in the Far East (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Indochina).
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus 15 March 2017 01: 34 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Operator
                  I. Stalin evolved from an international revolutionary at the beginning of his political career to a national revolutionary at its end.

                  You could say that.
                  Quote: Operator
                  In addition, I. Stalin consistently rejected the requests of Mao Zedong to unleash the Soviet-American war in order to spread communist regimes in the Far East (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Indochina).

                  The idea of ​​a world revolution doesn’t imply that you need to fight the United States with or without cause. The “world revolution” sounds loud, but in reality it’s just the realization that the interests of the capital and social countries are different and that ultimately which one of the systems will devour the other.
                  But this does not prevent tactically and in a certain historical period from interacting and even being in alliance with different capital countries.
                  In practice, it looks like this - everything that contributes to the interests of the USSR is considered to be conducive to the interests of the entire social movement. It was useful to interact with Hitler - we will continue to interact, it will be useful with the USA with the USA.
                  Specifically, according to the situation of the late 40s, Stalin also rejected the conduct of social revolutions in Italy and France in 1948. And he did the right thing. The USSR suffered heavy losses in the Second World War, the United States had nuclear weapons, and became involved in a direct war with the United States with the prospect of receiving strikes Nuclear weapons in our cities would be crazy.
                  The task for the second half of the 40s was to restore the economy, get nuclear weapons, consolidate Eastern Europe and carry out a revolution in China. At the same time, it was not directly drawn into the West. All the tasks were completed.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 15 March 2017 02: 54 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Odyssey
                    The task for the second half of the 40's was to restore the economy, obtain nuclear weapons, secure Eastern Europe and carry out a revolution in China.

                    Quite right, but this is precisely the arrangement of the zone of national interests of the USSR.

                    Compare with 1920-30 for years - the Comintern, support for revolutions in Germany and Hungary, strikes in Britain, leftist government in Spain. And all this against the backdrop of the devastation of the national economy of the USSR following the results of the Civil War, accelerated industrialization, hunger, etc.

                    Apparently, after WWII I. Stalin made the right conclusions from the pre-war policy of the international expansion of communist ideology at the expense of the resources of one country.
                2. F.NN
                  F.NN 15 March 2017 01: 36 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Operator
                  I. Stalin evolved from an international revolutionary at the beginning of his political career to a national revolutionary at its end.

                  Dzhugashvili evolved from a petty villain-raider to a bastard on a global scale. Shiklgruber next to him is resting and smoking enviously aside. The bubonic plague in Europe destroyed fewer people than Dzhugashvili and his assistants in the USSR. Yes, and the "Holy Inquisition", these are children in comparison with the "fighters for socialism."
                  Quote: Operator
                  in June 1949, during a visit to Moscow by a Chinese delegation led by Liu Shaotsi, a member of the delegation, curator of Manchuria, Gao Gang proposed to include it as a union republic in the USSR.

                  You would tell less tales.
                  Quote: Operator
                  In addition, I. Stalin consistently rejected the requests of Mao Zedong to unleash the Soviet-American war in order to spread communist regimes in the Far East (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Indochina).

                  PPC. What kind of war? The USSR would not last a year. Would die out of hunger.
                  What, Mao was an idiot? Didn’t he understand this?
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 15 March 2017 07: 16 New
                    +2
                    Quote: F.NN
                    Dzhugashvili evolved from a petty villain-raider to a bastard on a global scale.

                    It was a deal! good
            3. F.NN
              F.NN 15 March 2017 01: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              Everything is simple: I. Stalin was a national revolutionary, L. Trotsky was an international revolutionary.

              Revolutionaries are called those who participate or commit revolutions. What revolutions have these figures made? What revolutions did they participate in?
              The correct answer is in no way.
              And what they participated in is scientifically called a reactionary coup. Moreover, Dzhugashvili once participated, and the second time led such a coup. Therefore, he is a reactionary in the quarter. Unlike the usual Trotsky reactionary, who only once participated in a reactionary coup.
  9. RUSS
    RUSS 14 March 2017 11: 49 New
    +6
    Samsonov screwed up again, why did this photo stick to the article?
    The rebels are in jail arrested St. Petersburg city. Petrograd, March 1917.

    What does the arrest of the police in March 17th have to do with the army?
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 14 March 2017 14: 42 New
      +2
      RUSS, you correctly noticed, destroyed not only the army, but also the power structures destroyed the Provisional Government! wink
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 14 March 2017 19: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        RUSS, you correctly noticed, destroyed not only the army, but also the power structures destroyed the Provisional Government! wink

        And if Samsonov writes that the Earth is on three pillars, will you support him in this too?
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 March 2017 13: 38 New
    +4
    "and those who began the hard and bloody journey of creating Soviet civilization,
    which ultimately retains all the best that was in the "old Russia". "///

    I won’t argue about the hard and bloody path, but the Bolsheviks took not the best,
    and the worst that was in old Russia: the bureaucracy, "you’re the boss - I’m dr-k, I’m the boss-you are dr-k"
    rigid vertical power ...
    And the best: the humanism of Tolstoy and Chekhov, culture - was stolen.
    Therefore, "Soviet civilization" did not last so long. 70 years - nothing in
    historical scale.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 14 March 2017 14: 30 New
      +5
      The Bolsheviks, as you put it, couldn’t condemn Tolstoy - he, Tolstoy, by definition of the chief leader was a mirror of the Russian revolution. It is not clear what the Count’s humanism consists of, he was engaged in malicious search for evil.
  11. sergo1914
    sergo1914 14 March 2017 18: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    Yes, there were many sheds of blood, one civil massacre started by the Bolsheviks - about 10 million people! Many, many millions who died of starvation in the center of Europe, corpse eating and cannibalism, dispossessed and deprived — and all again by millions. The result is the 1964 depopulation of Russians, the beginning of the 90s-Russian Cross. And again, the ruling communists have nothing to do with it.


    Ek "pacified" something.
    The civil massacre begun by the Bolsheviks? Letting go of the opponents of the new government on parole is not an interesting way to unleash a civil war. Creative
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 March 2017 18: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      Ek "pacified" something.

      To this tipan, all the dew request
      Already laid out everything to him, already with the text of Comrade. Stalin.
    2. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
      ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 14 March 2017 20: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      Letting go of the opponents of the new government on parole is not an interesting way to unleash a civil war.

      October 31, 1917 (dates until February 14, 1918 according to the senior article) - in the area of ​​Tsarskoye Selo, the Red Guards detained and, during convoying to the local Council, the rector of the Catherine’s Cathedral of Tsarskoye Selo, Archpriest John Aleksandrovich Kochurov, the first martyr of the Russian clergy, was shot dead.
      November 1 - in his apartment, the local Bolsheviks killed the cavalier of St. George, Major General Vasily Dmitrievich Mukhin in his apartment in Tashkent.
      December 13 - at the station Cool by the soldiers of the revolutionary control station company, Major General Mikhail Aleksandrovich Karaulov, deputy of the Third and Fourth State Duma, Ataman of the Tersky Army, was killed. The ranks of his headquarters were killed along with Ataman: Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Alexandrovich Karaulov, coronet A. A. Belousov, deputy of the Tersky Army Circle Sultanov.
      December 16–17 - 62 officers were shot dead in Sevastopol at the verdict of the military revolutionary tribunal on the Malakhov Kurgan. The executions were carried out on the recommendations of ship's crews. In the next few days, officers were killed without trial in the streets and private apartments, using address books and telephone directories to search. The victims of the December killings were 8 ground and 120 naval officers. The slaughter was initiated by the Sevastopol Military Revolutionary Committee, headed by Yu.P. Gaven.
      Among those shot in Sevastopol:
      Rear Admiral Mitrofan Ivanovich Kaskov, Chief of Staff of the Black Sea Fleet Commander;
      Lieutenant General Julius Ernestovich Ketritz;
      the chief commander of the Sevastopol port, vice-admiral Pavel Ivanovich Novitsky and other fleet officers.
      December - a demonstration of citizens in support of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly was shot by the Red Guards in Kaluga. About 40 people were killed and wounded.
      January 5, 1918 - the shooting of a peaceful demonstration in support of the Constituent Assembly, in which the workers of the Obukhov, Patronny and other factories of the city participated. The number of killed was 21 people, 22 people were injured.
      January – February - 1342 officers, homeowners, merchants, merchants, and other representatives of the “exploiting classes” were arbitrarily killed in Armavir. The bodies of the victims were removed from the burial sites, examined and recounted at the end of 1918.

      January 7 - At the Mariinsky Hospital in Petrograd, deputies of the Constituent Assembly and members of the Central Committee of the Cadet Party Andrei Ivanovich Shingarev and Fedor Fedorovich Kokoshkin, who were under arrest after being declared "illegal" by the Council of People's Commissars, were killed by anarchist sailors. Shingarev died 2 hours in torment from the wounds inflicted. Kokoshkin was shot in the mouth and his teeth were knocked out.
      1. Nukesmoke
        Nukesmoke 14 March 2017 21: 52 New
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        Sorry, the killings started earlier ...
        1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
          ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 14 March 2017 22: 21 New
          +2
          The new power means the power of the Bolsheviks after the October coup. The idiotic myth of "honest word" is nonsense at least because one noble man gave the word of honor to another. I am afraid that the sailor Dybenko or the bandit Dzhugashvili did not differ in nobility.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 15 March 2017 03: 50 New
            +1
            ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH: one noble man gave the word of honor to another

            laughing laughing laughing Well, they were called "noble."
            By the way, yes, nobility everywhere and always remained by them. laughing “On October 11, 1922, at 5 p.m., a healthy drunken bug was walking along Zavodskaya Street in Samara (now Wenzeka). Mount Erofeev was setting up a telephone network on a pillar near house # 74. Bugai tripped over a tool box, pulled a fitter from a pole and began to beat him. One of the passers-by shouted “Our officer is beating!” and rushed to the rescue of Yerofeyev. Bugai threw him away, but help was rushing out of the gateway: “Hit the officer!” Bugai was seized by the crowd, tied up and dragged to the 1st police station : “The officer was caught.” The drunken bug turned out to be an employee of the Provincial Commissariat of Commerce and a party member, comrade I.A. Antonov. The citizens who brought him themselves were completely bugging, except for the injured Yerofeyev. The police detained everyone “until clarification.” Antonov first sobered up and asked him to let go. Well that: a respected man, his misconduct for Samara is not out of the ordinary, you can let go with a message at the place of work - let the little girl take it apart, but then all the rest of the detainees are stunned, leading through matyuki strong arguments that Antonov is an impostor and an “officer”. Police reported to the GPU. The Chekists arrived, looked at Antonov's party card and took him with them. The rest of the detainees were asked to be released, having previously given them summons. The next day, for interrogation, the Samara OGPU pulled out the entire party cell of the Provincial Military Commissariat and the Provincial Commissar itself. I.A. Antonov turned out to be a truly former Denikin officer, the party card was fake, the primary party member indicated in it never existed. What argument did vigilant citizens bring? Antonov first slapped Erofeev and only then began to beat him. He would immediately put his fist into the snout - he would walk free. laughing
            According to the materials of the Samara "Commune" of October 14, 1922 # 1150 "... http://d-clarence.livejournal.com/143716.html
            And, during the time of the crust-granny they very noblely whipped peasants (not themselves, of course, God forbid), and peasant girls (well, this is themselves).
          2. murriou
            murriou 15 March 2017 04: 11 New
            +2
            The Kolchak and Denikin bandits and executioners with shoulder straps of nobility turned out to be much less.
          3. Nukesmoke
            Nukesmoke 18 March 2017 14: 52 New
            +1
            Dzhugashvili was expelled on political issues, trouble :))))
            So, learn the materiel.
      2. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 14 March 2017 22: 21 New
        +4
        In response to this post, one can cite as many, if not more, victims who were shot, torn to pieces, and tortured by counterrevolutionaries of all kinds of colors. These are the victims of the first days of the revolution in Moscow, buried near the Kremlin wall (Colonel Ryabtsev shot the soldiers guarding the Kremlin).

        And the Bolsheviks did indeed release officers and generals under the honest word "do not oppose the revolution, against the people." But, I can’t name a single one who would keep his word.

        About the shooting of the Kremlin garrison

        From the report of Major General Kaygorodov

        To the chief of artillery
        Moscow military
        district

        Chief
        Moscow artillery.
        warehouse
        November 8 1917 city
        № 79390
        About Emergencies

        Report

        I’m denouncing the events that took place in the Kremlin and the arsenal from October 26 to November 3 in my presence.

        .... The day of October 27 was calm. At 7 o’clock. forever admission to the Trinity Gate was discontinued. Other gates were locked the day before. There were several shots at night. At 8 o’clock. On the morning of October 28, Trinity Gate was unlocked by ensign Berzin and the cadet was let into the Kremlin. Ensign Berzin was beaten and arrested. Immediately the junkers were taken over by the Kremlin, put 2 machine guns and an armored car at the Trinity Gate and began to drive out the 56th infantry from the warehouse barracks. spare regiment of soldiers, forcing with butts and threats. Warehouse soldiers in the number of 500 people. were built without weapons in front of the gates of the arsenal. Several junkers made a calculation. At that time, several shots rang out from somewhere, then the junkers opened fire from machine guns and guns from the Trinity Gate. Lined up without arms, the soldiers of the warehouse fell down, shrieking and screaming, they all rushed back to the gates of the arsenal, but only a narrow gate was opened, in front of which a mountain of dead bodies, wounded, trodden and healthy, trying to climb over the gate, was formed; five minutes later the fire ceased ....

        Authentic signed by major general
        Kaygorodov



        (The struggle of classes. 1931. No. 6-7. S.99-100)

        And for comparison

        Moscow Kremlin Commandant
        7 / XI – 1917

        Order

        Military Revolutionary Committee and S.D. orders you to release the 3rd company of junkers from the palace guardhouse, together with the officers, taking away the weapons remaining in their hands and subscribing that from now on they will not participate in the fight against weapons in their hands against the established system under the authority of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies.

        Member of the Military Revolutionary Committee
        A. Lomov
        Secretary Gus

        (The struggle of classes. 1931. No. 6–7. P.102)
      3. sergo1914
        sergo1914 14 March 2017 22: 27 New
        +3
        Yeah. Only the Bolsheviks were shot. White at this time embroidered a cross? And the anarchists dragged to a heap? Or just the list is over?
        PS About "January 5, 1918 - the shooting of a peaceful demonstration in support of the Constituent Assembly," read carefully. The whole background. And it will turn out like "in 1945, the brutalized Russians broke through to the Reichstag and with particular cruelty killed several thousand peaceful German citizens in SS uniform who went on a picket to protect the monument of German culture from the Eastern barbarians." Such an analogy suggests itself.
  12. F.NN
    F.NN 14 March 2017 23: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    The Petrograd Soviet issued the so-called Order No. 1 for the Petrograd Garrison

    With the same success, today I can issue a Decree on the Russian Federation. Or in the French Republic. I have about the same legitimacy now as then at the Petrograd Soviet.
    Although it is impossible not to admit that a handful of armed renegades stood behind this advice. And after me, no. That’s the whole difference.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    according to General A. I. Denikin, Order No. 1 gave “the first, main impetus to the collapse of the army”

    This recalls the story of the Germans and the T-34. At first they laughed at him, and then he was to blame for all their troubles. So it is here. Excuses, they are excuses in Africa.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    The liberal “white” myth that the Bolshevik coup (with revolutionary consequences) October 25 (November November 7) became a fatal event for the destruction of the Russian state, which in turn led to a geopolitical civilizational catastrophe with diverse grave consequences , for example, demographic and the decay of a great power. But this is a notorious lie, although many influential people still speak about it.

    Indeed, this is nonsense. Because The armed coup (coup), the Bolshevik rebels carried out only on January 6 (19), 1918. And from that moment on, the country quickly fell apart, and in many of its parts, not just one, but many Civil Wars began.
    As for the "revolutionary consequences", this is also ridiculous, at least. The coup was reactionary. It is like a revolution, just the opposite. Those. in fact, there was a rollback to positions until March 4 (17), 1917, when a bourgeois revolution took place in the country.
    That is, the March bourgeois revolution of 1917. She could not defend herself and was swept away by the January 1918 reactionary coup. The country has undergone restoration, but the restoration is not commonplace. Because the reactionary coup on January 6 (19), 1918 was not palace, but radical.
    And BOSR ... she was not there. It was later invented by the Bolsheviks for propaganda purposes. One generally not very significant historical episode was inflated to a "grandiose historical event." Yes, and "socialism" in the USSR began to build only in December 1927. at the XV Congress of the CPSU (b). Only 10 years after VOSR.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    The death of the old Russian state and the civilizational catastrophe became irreversible March 2 (15), 1917, when Nikolai Alexandrovich abdicated

    Just in case, I will inform the parrot type dunno that on that day nothing particularly significant happened in Russia. One monarch transferred power to another monarch. Unusually, yes. But in general, historically, nothing is noteworthy.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    they wanted to lead Russia along the western path (matrix). That is, to destroy the autocracy and complete the Westernization of Russia.

    The author needs to read more. Then he will probably guess that the transition from feudalism to bourgeois society is a natural historical process. Or maybe he won’t. And so it will continue to flog the rubbish about "socialism" and "communism."
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    That is, the February coup was organized by Freemasonry in the interests of the masters of the West.

    Oh yeah. Around the enemies. This we are in the know.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    They needed the resources of Russia to create a new world order, where there is no place for the Russian people.

    Enchanting. In everything. And about the resources. And about a place that is not there.
    Where do such "thinkers" come from? What mossy crevices do they just crawl out of? Here is the "podcrustal creep", this definition asks for the language.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    The masters of the West had a long-term strategy, and for centuries they have been fighting to destroy Russia-Russia.

    Just in case, I will inform the author that after the Crimean War and until the beginning of the 60s, 20 in RI / USSR were not interested in the so-called West, well, absolutely nothing. Here, in the sense, absolutely. They even allowed "socialism" there, as far as the USSR was to them before the lantern.
    In general, it is time to stop making the navel of the earth from the RI / USSR. Because this is not true. True, it is much less attractive than the fables of the Bolsheviks.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    the matter went to the complete destruction of the most important institute of the empire created over the centuries - the army and navy (armed forces), the backbone of Russia

    What? Is that the sun the backbone of Russia? "That's it, the house is gone." NEVER aircraft were, are not and will not be the backbone of Russia.
    Yes, in fact, the army in Russia also ceased to exist somewhere around 1-1,5 decades before the beginning of the 20th century. And under the USSR it NEVER existed at all. In addition to the short period of 1941-45. Well, it may be 10-20 years longer until the old cadres are old.
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    And in February-March 1917 the "legitimate", "sacred" power completely collapsed. This gave rise to a new Troubles.

    Complete nonsense. Power collapsed in early January 1918. After the Bolsheviks dispersed the Constituent Assembly, i.e. after the Bolshevik reactionary coup. Prior to this, elections were held, voting took place everywhere. Therefore, there is no need to talk about any collapse of Russia before its dispersal. Doctors are everything.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 14 March 2017 23: 52 New
      +5
      Yeah, F.NN, I haven’t read this anywhere else. Whatever the line, then bullshit.
      1. F.NN
        F.NN 15 March 2017 01: 19 New
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        Quote: Alexander Green
        I haven’t read this anywhere else. Whatever the line, then bullshit.

        Not for you to judge. You don’t know stories. And you don’t want to know. Therefore, you should not even read. All that you need, you have long memorized from the "right manuals."
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 15 March 2017 19: 32 New
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          Quote: F.NN
          Not for you to judge. You don’t know stories. And you don’t want to know. Therefore, you should not even read. All that you need, you have long memorized from the "right manuals."


          I read various manuals, but, fortunately, I was taught to understand everything correctly. And you, apparently, read only the wrong ones, so you turned out to be a bad boy. In addition, the entire pre-revolutionary, revolutionary, military and after military history of our Soviet country took place in front of my grandfathers and parents, and I myself have seen a lot. So I know everything firsthand, and you are only from Korotich’s “Light”, and Vrakogonov’s libels.

          And I would not love to read your vile opuses, but you have to, you crap on every page, so you have to wipe it so that normal readers can see the truth and also learn to understand everything correctly.
          1. F.NN
            F.NN 15 March 2017 20: 21 New
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            Quote: Alexander Green
            but, fortunately, I was taught to understand everything correctly

            Yeah. Noticeably.
            Quote: Alexander Green
            So I know everything firsthand

            Apparently not a horse feed. Do not bother, as often happens.
            Quote: Alexander Green
            you shit on every page, so you have to wipe it for you, so that normal readers see the truth and also learn to understand everything correctly.

            They see the truth. From my comments.
            But they don’t need to “understand everything correctly”. Your time is gone. Forever. For the second time, the country will not fall into the insanity of “socialism”.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 15 March 2017 23: 24 New
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              Quote: F.NN
              They see the truth. From my comments ..


              You have too high an opinion of yourself. But delirium, he is delirious in Africa.

              Quote: F.NN
              But they don’t need to “understand everything correctly”.


              That is your whole point!

              Quote: F.NN
              Your time is gone. Forever. For the second time, the country will not fall into the insanity of “socialism”.


              No sith friend, the time of socialism has not gone anywhere — he is already knocking ....
              1. F.NN
                F.NN 15 March 2017 23: 59 New
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                Quote: Alexander Green
                But delirium, he is delirious in Africa.

                Do not judge all by yourself.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                That is your whole point!

                Of course. I do not do zombies. And I don’t give in to zombies.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                No sit friend

                Tambov Wolf is your friend.
                Quote: Alexander Green
                he is already knocking

                If knocking, then this is to the psychiatrist. Will give tablets, droplets. You see, the knocking in your head will stop.
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 16 March 2017 22: 37 New
                  +3
                  Quote: F.NN
                  I do not do zombies

                  Do not be modest - Goebbels would have envied your lies and demagogy.
                  1. murriou
                    murriou 27 March 2017 12: 26 New
                    +1
                    I believe Goebbels was much smarter and more skilled. True, this did not save him either.
  13. Operator
    Operator 15 March 2017 00: 06 New
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    Olgovich,
    You in Moldova are clearly not aware of the history of Russia:

    The Second All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, by its resolution of October 26 of 1917, created "The Provisional Worker and Peasant Government, which will be called the Council of People's Commissars".

    The same goes for the other facts you dispute.
  14. murriou
    murriou 15 March 2017 04: 24 New
    +1
    the peasants immediately rushed to burn the landowner estates and divide the land, the soldiers beat the officers and went home, the Cossacks set up their Cossack states, the nationalists national bantustans

    That is, simply put, after the weakening of the central government, all the problems of the Russian Empire that were not resolved before 1917 appeared immediately - which, in the opinion of the bakers, did not exist and could not exist laughing

    The hatred of the soldiers for the officers, which led to the massacres of the command staff, was also not born in 1917, but only found its realization. The reasons for it were objective and long-standing.

    Let me remind you that after the abolition of the obligatory attendance of church services in the army, 70% of the soldiers immediately stopped participating in them. This is another favorite myth of the bakers, as if the Russian people loved Orthodoxy and priests, as well as the tsar’s tsar, whom no one supported in February, and the good master-lord, despite the fact that the noble estates flamed throughout Russia and in 1905-1907 , and in the years 1917-1918.
  15. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 6 December 2017 10: 49 New
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    Samsonov Alexander:
    That is, the February coup was organized by Freemasonry in the interests of the masters of the West.

    Alexander (sorry, I don’t know your patronymic), please tell me, why as a result of the October Revolution (Great October Revolution) did the authorities in Russia somehow receive mostly representatives of not the Russian nation, but some other? I ask the question because the composition of the first SNK were mostly Jews. Maybe as a result of the October Revolution, the power went to the "new" Freemasons? It is no secret that the priests of Orthodoxy, and not the White Guards, were the first to fall under the knife of repression. Why was the new government so afraid of priests, whose main “weapon” was the cross in their hands? If I am mistaken in something, correct me in this ...